Chat forum trolling on swellnet

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Clam started the topic in Tuesday, 18 Jul 2017 at 4:39pm

BAITING, TROLLING, INCITING CONFLICT

“Trolling” or making posts with the intention of creating problems on the forums is obviously against the forum guidelines. This includes registering an alternative ID for the sole purpose of creating problems on the forums.

A member who visits a forum only to incite "conflict" will be designated a "troll", and find his/her account temporarily or permanently suspended.

XX maintains zero tolerance for members who create posts intended to antagonize other members.

XX also reserves the right to require that a minimum number of posts, term of membership, or other criteria be met to allow posting on certain topics."

From another popular forum .

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Clam Tuesday, 18 Jul 2017 at 4:55pm

This is from another site :

"INSULTS and DEROGATORY COMMENTS

Insulting other members, and posting abusive and derogatory personal comments, is strictly against the rules. If you disagree with another member’s point of view, do so in a mature and civil manner.

If someone posts to discuss their personal problems or seeks help from other forums members, please do not respond unless you have something positive or helpful to add.

If you find yourself being flamed or insulted by another member, please do not dignify that person with a response. Notify a moderator and let us handle it."

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Blowin Tuesday, 18 Jul 2017 at 5:00pm

Your last name isn't Dutton is it ?

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Clam Tuesday, 18 Jul 2017 at 5:00pm

"NAME CALLING and DEROGATORY NAME VARIATIONS

In an effort to keep discussion constructive, name calling, general bashing and using derogatory name variations for any of the players is not tolerated. Regardless of how we may feel about many of the people that are the focus of our discussion here,it is always best to elevate the conversation and avoid this type of posting behavior. Feel free to express your displeasure with individuals that are being discussed, just avoid petty nastiness,name calling, name changes and over the top rude posts directed at other players."

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Blowin Tuesday, 18 Jul 2017 at 5:05pm

How have things been over at the PCYC website ?

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Clam Tuesday, 18 Jul 2017 at 6:07pm

Damn theres already a thread about this topic hey stu ?
Although there was no comment box attached to it , ?

https://www.swellnet.com/forums/code-conduct/37586

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Clam Tuesday, 18 Jul 2017 at 5:10pm

Quote stunet :;
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Clam Tuesday, 18 Jul 2017 at 5:14pm

Blowin : "Your last name isn't Dutton
is it ?"

"All users are entitled to their anonymity. If you know someone's ID don't share it unless you have their permission."

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goofyfoot Tuesday, 18 Jul 2017 at 5:26pm

It's all fun and games until someone gets called, and I quote, "a swill-nuttin blowjabber"

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Blowin Tuesday, 18 Jul 2017 at 5:31pm

That was my name !

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Clam Tuesday, 18 Jul 2017 at 6:05pm

Blowin why dont you write your own name here instead of others that you show no respect for ?

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Blowin Tuesday, 18 Jul 2017 at 6:13pm

You think I don't respect Dutton ?

You're correct.

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Sheepdog Tuesday, 18 Jul 2017 at 7:03pm

I find this thread offensive.... I find Clams deliberate baiting of blowin offensive.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceS_jkKjIgo

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Blowin Tuesday, 18 Jul 2017 at 7:15pm

I feel like someone that's surfing the best and least safe bank on the beach and an overweight clubbie has put his flags up around me and now he's blowing his whistle like crazy.

And now I'll see just how red his face will get before he realises that he'll have to drag his sorry arse out the back if he wants to get me.

Or is that a major over reach as they show the same fucking ad over and over and over again during the J Bay Comp ?

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Larry Lee Tuesday, 18 Jul 2017 at 7:39pm

Derogatory nicknames are the highest form of Praise in the Australian culture .
Isn't that right Sheepshit !?

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Clam Tuesday, 18 Jul 2017 at 7:41pm

IMPERSONATING a MEMBER and ACCESSING ANOTHER MEMBER'S ACCOUNT
"The use of another member's account, or attempting to access another member’s account, is strictly prohibited. It is extremely unlikely that XX staff will ever need your password to resolve a problem with your account, but there is NO circumstance under which you should give your password to another regular user.
You may not impersonate another XX member or create an account for the purpose of provoking other users. This includes creating an account very similar to another member so as to confuse others by the similarity in names."
Rules from another forum site .

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Clam Tuesday, 18 Jul 2017 at 7:52pm

"Believe it or not, there are people who get paid to spend all day searching newsgroups, message boards, discussion forums, and chats just to collect email addresses that are posted."

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Blowin Tuesday, 18 Jul 2017 at 8:17pm

Turkey ?

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Mort Tuesday, 18 Jul 2017 at 10:31pm

Is it ok if your drunk and delusional and know your should be doing something with your life. But, you just got a new computer and you are playing catchup with games you have missed. You will write the great Aussie/Yank/British novel soon enough.

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Mort Tuesday, 18 Jul 2017 at 11:04pm

If you eat a lot of Clams you will fart.

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talkingturkey Wednesday, 19 Jul 2017 at 6:30pm

"The owls are not what they seem."

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Dale -Cooper Wednesday, 19 Jul 2017 at 6:32pm

Owls or turkeys?

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Shatner'sBassoon Wednesday, 19 Jul 2017 at 6:33pm

Blowies?

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Gaz1799 Tuesday, 26 Sep 2017 at 6:06pm

Three trolls in a row!

All in 3 minutes of each other too wow what another amazing coincidence!

Jackpot ding ding ding ding ding!

Talkingshatdale.

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AndyM Tuesday, 26 Sep 2017 at 6:32pm

Herckylift

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Shatner'sBassoon Wednesday, 27 Sep 2017 at 10:30am

Garry, we worry...won't you come on home?

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lukas Tuesday, 26 Sep 2017 at 8:47pm

jeez its hard around here, fun, but not very constructive.

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Gaz1799 Wednesday, 27 Sep 2017 at 9:23am

Not a bad movie guys but my standards for movies are pretty low these days. The overall standard of movies coming out is luckily also pretty low.

Talking-shat the average catfish is a teenager batting away in their parents basement at how clever they are. 30 years later same story same basement...

You're in that elite club now mate. One of the boys!

I don't suppose you recognise the badass in the video below? Almost as clever as you no doubt you wily fox.

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bluediamond Saturday, 27 Mar 2021 at 8:22pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXkzWkx-TUs
The slippery slope of censorship

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Snuffy Smith Saturday, 27 Mar 2021 at 10:19pm

Banned !!!Facto ,MB leaving an unbalanced view.Swellnet turning into the mouthpiece of the uber conservative.Why are some still here #theuntouchables #tripe

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silentp Saturday, 27 Mar 2021 at 10:41pm

If Facto and MB are out and not blowin I'm out too, may as well call this site blowinet now, give him an inch

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soggydog Saturday, 27 Mar 2021 at 10:43pm

?

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Ben Harding Saturday, 27 Mar 2021 at 11:15pm

Mmm

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Rabbits68 Saturday, 27 Mar 2021 at 11:33pm

It’s not what you say, it’s who you know....

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bluediamond Saturday, 27 Mar 2021 at 11:37pm

Yep Rab68

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 28 Mar 2021 at 9:39am

If they are banned is seriously anyone surprised?

Herc has a very long history of abusing others it started off as abuse in debate then lead to abuse outside of debate just targeting people he had grudges with.

You might not agree with a certain person views, or like them or be mates with Herc or Facto, but NO ONE deserves to be repeatedly abused/attacked especially without reason. (meaning when they aren't even interacting with them and trying to avoid them)

It's much different to abuse being thrown in a heated debate when we may be frustrated/angry/emotional, most of us the next day move on, we might think that person is a wanker or views suck or whatever, we might even give them a little niggle from time to time like me & Guy do, but most of us move on and don't set out to just abuse/attack them (which is really just bullying with the aim to wear them down or trigger a reaction)

There is a clear pattern to Herc's posting, he pops back here now and then clearly with an aim to stir up people and abuse them, even crazy enough occasionally dissing the people who run the site.

The number of post where he is non abusive, no mocking/baiting post are rare (although i didn't agree with it, he had a very long one a few months ago on indigenous issues, and a couple with Zen, which were funny to read.

As mentioned above im sure people have also noticed Stunet has had come head to head with Herc, Stunet calling out what he says as BS even more personal offline stuff, so really when you even come head to head and abuse the people running a site, what do you expect.

BTW. You may not like me or my views, but i dont constantly attack or belittle people, if you feel I've crossed some line with a post, send Swellnet an Email with the post details (thread and date/time) to have them review it and delete it if need be.

If we are in debate, and i say something you don't like, by all means call me out, even abuse me call me a waker or redneck or whatever, im cool with that, but please just let it go the next day, don't keep on abusing me or down right trolling and baiting me trying to trigger or wear me down, i don't deserve it and neither does anyone else.

In regard to anyone here (other than Herc & Facto), there is no one here that i personally have any real issues with or hate, even if our political or social views are polar opposites, if i happen to bump into anyone here say in Indo and it comes up somehow we post on Swellnet, you know what everything said here doesn't matter to me, I will even shout you a Bintang and share a wave with you, but i will also try to avoid talking politics/social issues (as i do with friends and family), i can't promise we will end up liking each other or whatever, but well im not going to totally judge you based on things said here. ( i don't expect the same though, that's up to you)

In regard to Facto, first look above in this thread for classic Facto run of post (19 JUL 2017 at 6:30PM, 6:32PM, 6:33PM) three post in a row using three of his old profiles. (talkingturkey, Dale -Cooper, Shatner'sBassoon)

Ask yourself why he did this?
What was the point?
My guess is it's a power thing, to make his view seem like it has support and more clout.

Anyway much of the above is the same deal with Facto, he even admitted it the other day that he is not willing to enter civil debate with myself and a few others and we only deserve the trolling/belittling/mocking etc (not to those exact words but something pretty similar, it's in that thread "Source of Covid-19" if you want to see the exact wording)

Personally i see that as a weakness to attack the person instead of proving them wrong in a debate, especially when you are claiming others are dumb and you are clever.

If you cant be bothered with someones shit or views, then the other alternative is just to ignore them.

BTW. If they are temporary banned and pop up here again, myself im going to do my best to avoid any interaction with them I strongly recommend others that have run ins with them to do the same.

Anyway personally im going to try pulling my head in a little and avoid conflict and try to tone things down a little, it's actually something id already consciously been trying to do (that other night was the exception where i lost control of my emotions) anyway maybe i need to try harder.

Anyway just my two cents worth..

Cheers

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Hiccups Sunday, 28 Mar 2021 at 9:47am

"In regard to anyone here (other than Herc & Facto), there is no one here that i personally have any real issues with or hate, even if our political or social views are polar opposites. if I happen to bump into anyone here say in Indo and it comes up somehow we post on Swellnet, you know what everything said here doesn't matter to me"

Come on indo. You told me not to come to Phillip Island. lol

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fitzroy-21 Sunday, 28 Mar 2021 at 9:55am

I'd be surprised if they are banned, probably just taking a break from the site, I do it all the time, particularly last year with the likes of Vic Local and Facto. If they did get banned, well, they bought it on themselves really.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 28 Mar 2021 at 10:07am

@Hiccups

Ha ha half of Melbourne is down here most weekends, one more is fine.

Just one thing to remember with surfing down here, don't drop in on Greemie or complain when he drops in on you.

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GuySmiley Sunday, 28 Mar 2021 at 12:29pm

Swellnet gets to make the rules.

Forums here get a little loose sometimes but for me proper behaviour goes beyond not abusing or trolling people. I find sometimes the most outrageous things are said here on very sensitive issues like race as a "discussion starter" and when people who may have had a lifetime of negative experience on that issue understandably (IMO) erupt they are called unreasonable. This scenario has played out on numerous occasions here. Personally, I have always found the original "discussion starters" way more offensive than anything that has followed.

There is also the situation where someone knows the triggers that will cause some people to erupt / react in a negative way and will poke and prod on a semi regular basis in the hope of getting a desired reaction, and for what motive? I'm not taking piss taking here.

I watched the exchange live the other night between known combatants and IMO both were equally complicit. Just how many times must a bear be prodded before rightfully you get your head bitten off.

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adam12 Sunday, 28 Mar 2021 at 11:47am

That was a great little speech there Indo. Nice sentiments. Bit of a contrast to the other night where I had to point out to you that you risked up to three years imprisonment for using a carriage service to harrass, intimidate or threaten. Glad you have seen the light.

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Snuffy Smith Sunday, 28 Mar 2021 at 11:55am

Exactly.Why are they still here as well. #theuntouchables #weakaspissswellnetreally

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bluediamond Sunday, 28 Mar 2021 at 12:36pm

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/02/jordan-peterson-op...
Censorship is a slippery slope.
When you don't allow those a platform to keep the vocal and bigoted punters honest, what have you become? A sell out?. Weak? Cowardly. All I see is a flag being planted on one side of the fence when its obvious to most rational minds on here where the real problems and ceaseless verbal/written diaharea comes from. Pretty disappointing stuff.

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sypkan Sunday, 28 Mar 2021 at 12:51pm

"Exactly.Why are they still here as well. #theuntouchables #weakaspissswellnetreally"

you're big on censorship aren't you snuffy?

you do realise that all your objections are based on subjective assessments?

and going by some of your objections, they follow the rather whimsical arbtrary subjective objections of an outrage culture academic / media entertainment industrial complex that has recently developed...

a case in point is the recent dr. seuss fiasco

can someone please explain to me, how a pretty accurate portrayal of a traditional chinaman is so 'offensive' and 'dangerous' to our children... yet it's perfectly ok for kids to bang prostitutes, murder them, and set them on fire, rather than pay for services rendered, in video games?

I just don't get it

'racism' trumps 'misogyny' perhaps?

censorship is a dangerous road, and gta tests the tolerances of that road to an extreme extreme, to an extreme I'd almost like to see banned ...but the smarty pant gate keeper custodians of the culture of our time are more concerned about a guy in a straw hat?

bizzare times we are living in...

but carry on...

'winning'

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sypkan Sunday, 28 Mar 2021 at 12:56pm

guardian... ppfffffff

jordan peterson, 'dangerous'... pppfffffffffffff!

"...I have gone through his work myself and shown that he is a crackpot, whose writing is devoid of basic reasoning and full of wild unsubstantiated claims."

pot, kettle, black....

the irony....

again!

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Snuffy Smith Sunday, 28 Mar 2021 at 1:26pm

#what??? #goodlordwhatwasthatdiatribe

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Hiccups Sunday, 28 Mar 2021 at 1:35pm

Did you throw the derogatory term "chinaman" in that piss-poor diatribe to be deliberately obtuse skypan, or are you just that committed to ignorance?

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sheep shagger Sunday, 28 Mar 2021 at 1:45pm

bluediamond just hit the nail on the head.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 28 Mar 2021 at 2:03pm

@bluediamond

Everyone here has the right to share their views as long as it's legal or doesn't break Swellnet guidelines, the moderation of these forums is very fair and relaxed, do you really think your views are being censored?

But what people don't have the right to do is continually, insult, abuse, provoke and just bully people because you don't agree with their views.

Surely you can understand the difference between having an opinion and constant abusing/bullying someone????

BTW. Thanks for the understanding on why i edit post.

@adam12
Im human, i say stupid things in the heat of the moment, especially when pushed and pushed to the edge.

Do i make threats against people here or abuse people time after time after time?

No..

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adam12 Sunday, 28 Mar 2021 at 2:16pm

No problem Indo, I say stupid things too.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 28 Mar 2021 at 2:38pm

Cheers, Yes we all do.

To be honest im a bit embarrassed, by those post the other night...