Next Federal Election

& viva la patchwork haha

they do have a plan

at least...

as opposed to nothing, as I said

whether people approve of endless migration, endless debt, endless and growing homelessness etc etc is highly debatable

any plan is better than no plan

and as ABC chick said this morning, '...if you offer nothing, no alternative... you have nothing to talk about...'

so your zone gets filled with shit

labor did a great job at slinging shit at dutton, as did the greens and teals...

over the top slinging to some extent

lots of it stuck

plus he's totally shit anyway...

the fact libs served up dutton, and actually expected people to vote for him...

just shows how out of touch and shit they are

only a lib could think dutton's personality, history, and rude head would not turn people off

its a bit of a generalisation, but libs don't do people well, you see it with their star wars bar of adverse personalities that get voted in..

cash, taylor, dutton, energy minister, even barnaby...(who I have a soft spot for) ... they're fucken freakazoids...

faces only a mother (or party zealots) could love

some freakazoids are alright - if they have talent - libs have lost all those though...

they truly are in a mess

Optimist wrote:

You don’t have much of a sense of humour base…..and yes Albo deserved his win and I’m very glad it’s a Labor majority with the greens locked out….
Show dog wins …..woof.

Bloody hell Opti, he literally posted one of the funniest vids i've ever seen.

basesix wrote:

ah well, stinkfinger pointers gonna stinkfinger point..

haha yep, another day, another stinkfinger. Predictable.
I will agree with Syp on one thing though, Libs lost a goodun in Bishop. Not that i was a huge fan of her however, if they put here as the leader she was definitely their ticket to an unlosable election. She'd probably be there right now.
Was a fast and strange exit. Right around Covid time so always assumed it had something to do with all that.

Optimist wrote:

The story of the two dogs.
Once upon a time there were two dogs.
One was a show dog from when he was a puppy which made him very clever when in shows.
He was highly trained in all points of showing including clever grooming and selective barking.
Even when he pooped on people show goers would laugh and clap and say “ isn’t he cute.”
The other was a guard dog from a pup who always wanted to be a show dog.
Try as he might, he would be well groomed , bark loud at bad guys go through all the motions of a show dog but just wasn’t clever enough to impress the crowd.
Try as he might the guard dog was a “no show “dog.
Even while he was in a big show, someone stole his kennel.
The moral of the story is……your either one dog or the other…..
….its good know thyself.

I dont know about two dogs but i saw a social media post that said something like this election was like picking between getting gonorrhoea or syphilis

Honestly two of the worst choices in living memory.

Dutton just unlikable in every way with just self destructive policy like nuclear.

And the Albo just a complete clown that spins more shit than a sewerage farm.

It's honestly depressing I just hope one day someone like Jacinta price gets a shot, we need a strong conservative women being attractive to some degree wouldn't hurt (love Jacinta but not hot)

But yeah like you said honestly im happy its a majority Labor government rather than Greens having any say.

Jeezus Indo.

:P

Hey Indo. Hats off to you for taking the Pies loss on the chin, even after all my ribbing.
Agree with Zen though, geez!!
Just out of curiosity, how come you don't like the Greens at all?
Do you think they don't do anything good at all?
Also i'm not surprised alot of city crew vote for them. Maybe something to do with the levels of education in city areas i reckon.

I like Jacinta a lot, regardless of her 'looks'. I think she really does care about her mob and wants to bring about real change.

I don't make it a secret that I'm kinda on the conservative side of politics but I'm glad Dutton got done. Sorry, but he's dodgier than the day is long and it would have been more sweet deals for the boys, more backdoor shenanigans and more lining his already bulging investment portfolio built solely on grit. determination and the inside track on a few sweet deals. The guy's a grub.

I don't have much love for Albo but Dutton would have been a mistake.

Now all Labor has to do is not rest on their laurels but to get in and tackle the issues they were elected for.

What could go wrong?

Education Or indoctrination…..they can seem good but can also become a new form of intolerance of others freedoms / choices …..and freedom is really the thing we all love….the freedom to choose our own way within a good environmental parameter.

zenagain wrote:

I like Jacinta a lot, regardless of her 'looks'. I think she really does care about her mob and wants to bring about real change.

I don't make it a secret that I'm kinda on the conservative side of politics but I'm glad Dutton got done. Sorry, but he's dodgier than the day is long and it would have been more sweet deals for the boys, more backdoor shenanigans and more lining his already bulging investment portfolio built solely on grit. determination and the inside track on a few sweet deals. The guy's a grub.

I don't have much love for Albo but Dutton would have been a mistake.

Now all Labor has to do is not rest on their laurels but to get in and tackle the issues they were elected for.

What could go wrong?

Furry muff @Zen. Good on you.
From all i can gather, she might appear to have her 'mobs' best interests at heart, but reading all the comments about her from her 'mob', she's despised and ridiculed. But won't go down that road. There's another thread for that.
Plus who can believe the comments anyway. Maybe social media platforms attract a certain type that do comment.

spot on zen

on all accounts...

as to why the hate for greens?

probably because they're anything but green anymore...

I dare say this costs them lots of votes from people that would love to vote greens

they simply are not even a shadow of bob's old party

and, their 'transition' is complete...

https://x.com/darylbegg/status/1917136441597170079

I dare say that shit is what curtailed their self predicted rise to prominence...

even after winning lots of younguns over with their position on rents and housing... they crash and burned...

fwiw, I have no problem with purple hair, trans people, or even a smattering of palestine nuttery

but just like libs, they showed they're quite out of touch - totally out of touch perhaps - if they are expecting people to take that shit seriously

Yeah fair points @syp cheers.
Personally i've always felt they look out for the minorities and less privileged amongst us who haven't got a voice, hence they always get my first vote.
Maybe that's slid a bit though. I'd hope that's still their ethos.
edit. I see what you did with transition there...but gotta keep in mind, this is just one part of the minority. And an easy one for any mudslinging Trumpian style politician to ostracize and get the herd into a frenzy over....pretty much to divert attention away from their own shithouse shortcomings and suspect policies. Blame the transgenders! Guaranteed to get the mob seething. You see it on here from a couple of posters, also Trumpians regularly.

fwiw, wgas? people don't need you to approve them.

gs-co wrote:

But hey...Australia sure showed Dutton how much it hates him and any legacy of the Morrison govt.

Blind

Mindless

Braindead

Sleepwalking

Into EU style WEF eco socialism.

Edit: You're right indo. None of these issues will actually improve under the ALP and teals.

Actually , if you really want to know
Dutton was ahead and doing well , until he started to copy Trumps playbook , and then Trump started destroying America,
Ever since then he has dropped
So watch with the
Blind
Mindless
Brain dead
Sleep walking

haha! Gold @confusion

southernraw wrote:

haha! Gold @confusion

Yes you can’t let reality ruin a good rant .

southernraw wrote:

Hey Indo. Hats off to you for taking the Pies loss on the chin, even after all my ribbing.
Agree with Zen though, geez!!
Just out of curiosity, how come you don't like the Greens at all?
Do you think they don't do anything good at all?
Also i'm not surprised alot of city crew vote for them. Maybe something to do with the levels of education in city areas i reckon.

Im not going to go into the reason's why maybe another time.

But ive always been baffled by the inner city Greens thing, i googled it with a few phrases and went a few pages in and got nothing.

I tried to find out who the fuck these voters are who live in the city.

I think ive found the answer which is probably pretty obvious really.

63% of people in Melbourne rent and city living is generally popular with younger single people between 20 to 35.

I guess all those older guys in suits you see everywhere in many areas of the city that earn shitloads probably dont live in the city, i guess they live in the leafy suburbs and vote for Labor or LNP.

It still seems weird that those that live a concrete jungle that probably have never been camping are Green voters while those living out bush, camping, fishing, hunting etc are often conservative voters.

Honestly id love a party that was conservative but also pro environment i think there can be a balance between the two even mining and faming and still pro environment there can be a balance.

If ol' purple hair, ambiguous genitals, gays for palestine was saying something intelligent, pertinant , challenging of status quo, and / or different...

I'd happily approve...

and vote for em...

but ol' mate just comes across as a caricature of a cliche

something now so bloody cliche , it's now bloody boring

and, it's not about me... every party makes a judgement on how their candidate will appeal to the electorate... greens made that judgement from inside their (now) ip obsessed bubble...

I'd say that assessment did them no favours

simple as that

people want a real greens party, if the greens want to be the party of trans and social issues, good luck to them... but maybe it's time they changed their name?

they made real ground and inroads pre election by almost exclusively focussing on housing issues...

I'm just saying mr/s. purple pants probably seriously undermined, and seemingly more than cancelled out, all that work and gained ground they achieved

aside from palestine perhaps, I cannot see any other reason they did so poorly...

with the momentum they had, and the turn away from the major parties, the result simply does not make sense

sypkan wrote:

people want a real greens party, if the greens want to be the party of social issues, good luck to them... but maybe it's time they changed their name?

Its weird how so many parties names dont reflect what they are about at least anymore.

Greens one example but also Liberal are far from Liberal and Labor are no longer a party for people who do physical Labour.

It would make more sense if Liberals and Labor just said let's swap names.

indo-dreaming wrote:

southernraw wrote:

Hey Indo. Hats off to you for taking the Pies loss on the chin, even after all my ribbing.
Agree with Zen though, geez!!
Just out of curiosity, how come you don't like the Greens at all?
Do you think they don't do anything good at all?
Also i'm not surprised alot of city crew vote for them. Maybe something to do with the levels of education in city areas i reckon.

Im not going to go into the reason's why maybe another time.

But ive always been baffled by the inner city Greens thing, i googled it with a few phrases and went a few pages in and got nothing.

I tried to find out who the fuck these voters are who live in the city.

I think ive found the answer which is probably pretty obvious really.

63% of people in Melbourne rent and city living is generally popular with younger single people between 20 to 35.

I guess all those older guys in suits you see everywhere in many areas of the city that earn shitloads probably dont live in the city, i guess they live in the leafy suburbs and vote for Labor or LNP.

It still seems weird that those that live a concrete jungle that probably have never been camping are Green voters while those living out bush, camping, fishing, hunting etc are often conservative voters.

Honestly id love a party that was conservative but also pro environment i think there can be a balance between the two even mining and faming and still pro environment there can be a balance.

Holy generalisations @indo!! That's a container ship load of generalisations plus 10percent tariffs!!
But cheers for your response. No judgement, was just curious on your thoughts about it so thanks.
Maybe your generalisations are correct! I did generalise that they might be educated so also guilty!

sypkan wrote:

If ol' purple hair, ambiguous genitals, gays for palestine was saying something intelligent, pertinant , challenging of status quo, and / or different...

I'd happily approve...

and vote for em...

but ol' mate just comes across as a caricature of a cliche

something now so bloody cliche , it's now bloody boring

and, it's not about me... every party makes a judgement on how their candidate will appeal to the electorate... greens made that judgement from inside their (now) ip obsessed bubble...

I'd say that assessment did them no favours

simple as that

people want a real greens party, if the greens want to be the party of trans and social issues, good luck to them... but maybe it's time they changed their name?

they made real ground and inroads pre election by almost exclusively focussing on housing issues...

I'm just saying mr/s. purple pants probably seriously undermined, and seemingly more than cancelled out, all that work and gained ground they achieved

aside from palestine perhaps, I cannot see any other reason they did so poorly...

with the momentum they had, and the turn away from the major parties, the result simply does not make sense

Yeah i think that's fair.
I'm a huge fan of Mareen Faruq. I reckon if she was leading the party (she was at one point wasn't she?) they'd fare alot better. Cheers Syp.

a conservative party that likes workers rights unless they stop progress, nature is a-ok as a thing to walk around in, and gently anti-immigration.. unless the immigrants make money for private businesses.?
was Labor 1.0 + splitters, @indo, I've mentioned this interesting schism to @GuySmiley..
1931 All For Australia League, baby!

indo-dreaming wrote:

sypkan wrote:

people want a real greens party, if the greens want to be the party of social issues, good luck to them... but maybe it's time they changed their name?

Its weird how so many parties names dont reflect what they are about at least anymore.

Greens one example but also Liberal are far from Liberal and Labor are no longer a party for people who do physical Labour.

It would make more sense if Liberals and Labor just said let's swap names.

Haha. Hear hear!!

Note... Faruqi resigned. Dayum!

@Indo
That’s a major generalised assumption to assume that people living in concrete jungle’s have never been camping,
Maybe that’s why they do vote green
Because they appreciate the rural environment even more by not necessarily being able to live there.

A large reason labor won so many seats, in my opinion, is because many people were so desperate for the LNP not to win, that they couldn’t afford to vote for independent candidates, it was too risky , they needed labor to win at all costs. This is a reflection on spud and his NO to everything policies. LNP has been ( pun intended ) a team of unelectable slimeballs for 2 elections now , I doubt they will wake up to what the party needs ( complete dismantling ) in time for the next election. I hope Albo & team grow some balls and do an overhaul of the tax system for individuals and companies, particularly overseas companies . Long overdue.

yep supa

was thinking same

that, and the fact most people are too lazy / disengaged to even work out preferential voting

just the way the majors want it!

and many, if not most, people want to (begrudgingly) walk in, tick a box, and walk the fuck out

(dodging the nutters of all stripes described above)

brisk walk, no eye contact...

(internal narrative... 'dont speak to me cunt')

haha, give 'em a smile, @syppo, see how it feels..

sypkan wrote:

yep supa

was thinking same

that, and the fact most people are too lazy / disengaged to even work out preferential voting

just the way the majors want it!

and many, if not most, people want to (begrudgingly) walk in, tick a box, and walk the fuck out

(dodging the nutters of all stripes described above)

brisk walk, no eye contact...

(internal narrative... 'dont speak to me cunt')

haha. That gave me a good chuckle @sypkan.

sypkan wrote:

yep supa

was thinking same

that, and the fact most people are too lazy / disengaged to even work out preferential voting

just the way the majors want it!

and many, if not most, people want to (begrudgingly) walk in, tick a box, and walk the fuck out

(dodging the nutters of all stripes described above)

brisk walk, no eye contact...

(internal narrative... 'dont speak to me cunt')

"many, if not most, people want to (begrudgingly) walk in, tick a box, and walk the fuck out"
Gonna disagree with that, I think Australians are, generally speaking, happy to vote and to take it quite seriously, especially considering the state of play at the moment.
I thought it was an interesting vibe yesterday, like there really was business to attend to.

Democracy in progress.

Supafreak wrote:

A large reason labor won so many seats, in my opinion, is because many people were so desperate for the LNP not to win, that they couldn’t afford to vote for independent candidates, it was too risky , they needed labor to win at all costs. This is a reflection on spud and his NO to everything policies. LNP has been ( pun intended ) a team of unelectable slimeballs for 2 elections now , I doubt they will wake up to what the party needs ( complete dismantling ) in time for the next election. I hope Albo & team grow some balls and do an overhaul of the tax system for individuals and companies, particularly overseas companies . Long overdue.

Yep it was a wholesale, pull-no-punches repudiation of the LNP and all that they stand for and represent.
Voters have been patient for a long time (i.e. willing to give the Libs a chance post-Scomo) but the LNP negativity and arseholery was finally too much.
I wouldn't go so far as to say Labor did a Bradbury but the Libs really did have a shocker.

AndyM wrote:

sypkan wrote:

yep supa

was thinking same

that, and the fact most people are too lazy / disengaged to even work out preferential voting

just the way the majors want it!

and many, if not most, people want to (begrudgingly) walk in, tick a box, and walk the fuck out

(dodging the nutters of all stripes described above)

brisk walk, no eye contact...

(internal narrative... 'dont speak to me cunt')

"many, if not most, people want to (begrudgingly) walk in, tick a box, and walk the fuck out"
Gonna disagree with that, I think Australians are, generally speaking, happy to vote and to take it quite seriously, especially considering the state of play at the moment.
I thought it was an interesting vibe yesterday, like there really was business to attend to.

Fair enough comment when it reflects the demographic of the area you live in AndyM.
But seriously, something i think we all overlook is the overwhelmingly dominant urban populations that make up the numbers around each of our capital cities and large regional centres. Both anglo and non anglo, which also make up a huge percentage. Without being too unkind, and generalising like a motherfucker here, cos not all are, but there is a general lack of critical thinking that accompanies the vast populations that dwell in these areas. I know. I was one of them! haha. The fact they choose this as their life is probably a good indication of that....and all power to them...but personally, i'd rather stick a fork in a toaster than live that kind of life. The 'Aussie Dream'. And i know i write that as someone who is lucky to have the life i've been given opened up to me.
Anyway, I'm not convinced these particular crew are too invested in the election beyond the two soundbites they heard at work on the radio or their first 5 minutes of the 6 oclock news as they wait for Married at First Sight to come on. They're just busy trying to clock in, clock out, feed the kids, get the kids to sport, get to bunnings, cheer for their footy team, keep ticking away at their debt, super, healthcare..... and then clock back into the system again to keep chasing their tails. No real connection to the bigger picture outside of their little urban survival, and fuck, understandably so. That's exactly where the system that is in place needs them to be so as to function efficiently. Am i wrong? I reckon we overestimate the capacity of the general Aussie citizen i've just mentioned to actually give a fuck besides the facebook pages they follow and comment on, and the force fed commercial media that they duly swallow as part of their slow, but inevitable phase of just making up the numbers.
The crew that we surround ourselves with, that do think critically, are sadly only a small minority of the general Aussie population.

Yeah fair enough SR, lots of truth to that, there are a lot of basic models out there.
But at the same time I think you're selling them short.
I'm gonna make this up off the top of my head - I reckon us folk with the relatively cruisy lifestyles can afford to opt out a little and disengage from the political shit. We have the luxury of being able to go for a surf or a walk on the beach and pretend that other shit doesn't effect us.
Those crew in the suburbs, mortgaged up to their eyeballs and struggling to pay the bills are all in, 100%. There's not much else for them other than leaving fingernail marks on the rungs of the ladder of life.
I think it's absolutely in their interest, it's crucial for them to know something, like who's got interest rates under control, or who's gonna provide health care for young Jaxxson, Swayde and Zen, or how the fuck are they gonna get to work if their new housing estate way out on the fringe of the city has no public transport.
Plenty of Sky News or Daily Tele boofheads out there but I think a big chunk of people have half a clue, this election is evidence of that, as is the fact that people have been more and more looking for alternatives for decades.

AndyM wrote:

Yeah fair enough SR, lots of truth to that, there are a lot of basic models out there.
But at the same time I think you're selling them short.
I'm gonna make this up off the top of my head - I reckon us folk with the relatively cruisy lifestyles can afford to opt out a little and disengage from the political shit. We have the luxury of being able to go for a surf or a walk on the beach and pretend that other shit doesn't effect us.
Those crew in the suburbs, mortgaged up to their eyeballs and struggling to pay the bills are all in, 100%. There's not much else for them other than leaving fingernail marks on the rungs of the ladder of life.
I think it's absolutely in their interest, it's crucial for them to know something, like who's got interest rates under control, or who's gonna provide health care for young Jaxxson, Swayde and Zen, or how the fuck are they gonna get to work if their new housing estate way out on the fringe of the city has no public transport.
Plenty of Sky News or Daily Tele boofheads out there but I think a big chunk of people have half a clue, this election is evidence of that, as is the fact that people have been more and more looking for alternatives for decades.

Thanks AndyM and great post. Gave me a perspective i hadn't thought of so appreciate that to factor into my 'critical' evaluation!
Thanks for the food for thought.
I still kinda lean towards the side of the scales that they're so overwhelmed with 'life stuff' that whatever they generally believe in, they'll gravitate to, support, get fed the algorithms, take an interest in and ultimately support....but then...how am i any different!? haha.
Cheers for a well thought out reply. Much appreciated.

Trump is notoriously anti climate change action,
And Dutton and the coalition have always been ideologically opposed to climate change action,and stopping coal mining etc.
Birds of a feather fall together.

SR, yeah it's a very interesting area of conversation.
I find it endlessly fascinating, basically, what makes different people tick depending on how they are influenced and subsequently, what they see as desirable.

basesix wrote:

a conservative party that likes workers rights unless they stop progress, nature is a-ok as a thing to walk around in, and gently anti-immigration.. unless the immigrants make money for private businesses.?
was Labor 1.0 + splitters, @indo, I've mentioned this interesting schism to @GuySmiley..
1931 All For Australia League, baby!

Yeah i had a read about them, but quite different to what i was was thinking of

This morning it looked like Bandt was safe but now (updated not long ago) seems not, seems like he is still very much at risk of losing his seat looks like it might come right down to the wire with preferences.

Please God, Allah, Buddha, Jesus, all you cool Hindu gods even all you other forgotten gods and spirits of the land, just this one thing, please.

@Indo, despite losing seats in the lower house, probably deservingly, the Greens are still the key crossbench party in the Senate with 11 seats. Labor will need them to pass legislation opposed by the LNP, so they are still an effective political force.
Bandt is not much of a political leader I agree, but the lower house seats really don't matter. It's in the Senate that they still hold power, and have some effective and worthy politicians.
They will stay relevant.

Two excellent posts Southern and Andy above.

Yes, the Senate is looking fairly progressive. ALP gained 3 from the LNP. The Greens will have a say. One Nation didn't get quota so adio malaka to Malcolm Roberts. Overall, the wonky right made little progress with One Nation taking votes from Palmer by the look of it.

"The wonky right"

Haha, those weird, cringeworthy and freaky little parties :)

@ Indo has a strange desire to surf in Toxic waters, good luck with that !
Indo would be much better off living in the USA , He would have Trump and lots of toxic waters too .

I blame SR

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Yes, @Andy, there are some fringe dwellers there. But as you stated above, people make their votes based on their own priorities, so they clearly serve a purpose. It is pleasing however, to see a general repudiation of the populist right.

Supafreak wrote:

I blame SR https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJOCDFeSovB/?igsh=Mmc3MGQ5YzQ1MGZr

$50 million dollars just to rub your ego Clive, as a business person you must be rope able, nothing coming back your way for your efforts. Failure big time, no one is left to blow your Trumpet. AW