Next Federal Election

That’s gotta hurt Pete .

seeds wrote:

-cunt : a cunt is a cunt
-incorrigible•••incapable of being corrected or reformed.

Hey seeds, That's my little gig. Try corrigable ... Capable of being reformed...Aligning with the rebirth of the already broken wave. The dispelled momentum of the bombora maintains its underlying core strength so that when the surfer sits waiting, watching eagerly, poised to hop on in as they unite, synchronised with the right fracture, with the speed and positioning for the reassemble and be slung onto the clean and smooth glittering perfection and surface of a newly reformed and unbroken green wall. Throw a rainbow in there somewhere. To ride this second chance for all manner of wiz turns, left and right turning, arching bottom turns with ultimate speed, and leaning carving cutbacks. Zig-zagging, left and right, left and right. Thing is that to maintain one's position in flight, one must explore the virtues or iniquity of left and right thinking! Is that what you're talking about?

Confusion wrote:

Trump says he thinks Albo is a nice guy,
But he’s never heard of Dutton ,
And who wouldn’t believe that. ?

That’s gotta hurt!

indo-dreaming wrote:

seeds wrote:

MidWestMonger wrote:

Sussan Ley you say Seeds?

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/ley-charged-taxpayers-13k-to-pilot-c...

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/sussan-ley-resigns-from-turnbull...

Well there you go.
No doubt they’ll make an horrendous decision that will keep them in opposition longer.

If that's the dirt on her, then great, this is the story of most politician's.

To me she is the smart choice especially being a women and said to more moderate which LNP need at this point of time.

Yeah I agree Indo, the public would forgive small time rorting. But she's up against the LNP boys club to get the big gig. When they stabbed Malcolm, they wouldn't give Julie Bishop a look in and she was clearly the best option.

It’s a good gig Reform, especially as you get older. Not getting fixed in your ways. Stay diligent though!

If Ley is a moderate I’m a monkey’s uncle, she is no Julie Bishop, all ideology no substance and she will be mince meat to the good ole boys and gals of National Reactionary Party!

Reform wrote:

seeds wrote:

-cunt : a cunt is a cunt
-incorrigible•••incapable of being corrected or reformed.

Hey seeds, That's my little gig. Try corrigable ... Capable of being reformed...Aligning with the rebirth of the already broken wave. The dispelled momentum of the bombora maintains its underlying core strength so that when the surfer sits waiting, watching eagerly, poised to hop on in as they unite, synchronised with the right fracture, with the speed and positioning for the reassemble and be slung onto the clean and smooth glittering perfection and surface of a newly reformed and unbroken green wall. Throw a rainbow in there somewhere. To ride this second chance for all manner of wiz turns, left and right turning, arching bottom turns with ultimate speed, and leaning carving cutbacks. Zig-zagging, left and right, left and right. Thing is that to maintain one's position in flight, one must explore the virtues or iniquity of left and right thinking! Is that what you're talking about?

You’re on the wrong thread
This isn’t about surfing
Some strange bombora on strange mushrooms.

indo-dreaming wrote:

seeds wrote:

MidWestMonger wrote:

Sussan Ley you say Seeds?

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/ley-charged-taxpayers-13k-to-pilot-c...

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/sussan-ley-resigns-from-turnbull...

Well there you go.
No doubt they’ll make an horrendous decision that will keep them in opposition longer.

If that's the dirt on her, then great, this is the story of most politician's.

To me she is the smart choice especially being a women and said to more moderate which LNP need at this point of time.

If Susan Ley is the creme of the crop for the leftovers of the leftovers, Labor are going to be in power for quite a while....

seeds wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

seeds wrote:

MidWestMonger wrote:

Sussan Ley you say Seeds?

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/ley-charged-taxpayers-13k-to-pilot-c...

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/sussan-ley-resigns-from-turnbull...

Well there you go.
No doubt they’ll make an horrendous decision that will keep them in opposition longer.

If that's the dirt on her, then great, this is the story of most politician's.

To me she is the smart choice especially being a women and said to more moderate which LNP need at this point of time.

Piss off
I don’t want to agree with you even though I do.
They won’t do it .
This is your chance to wake up that Labor is more politically aligned with your values because they are just right than centre.

Yeah i wouldn't be surprised if they dont either, to much politics within politics that often get in the way of common sense.

I did the ABC vote compass ad while i came in on the left of LNP, i was still right there.

I think after the Shorten loss Labor actually moved back towards the right more back to the centre with far more moderate policy, that loss was unexpected and a wake up call for them.

Then i think the voice loss was a social type of wake up call to move more to the centre again socially, just a conscious toning down of things and avoiding culture war shit

This is why I think a lot of Labor supporters here have been a bit disappointed in Albo's first term.

IMHO Albo and Labor have been smart and read the room.

While LNP havent, Scomo wasn't exactly well liked by women and then they went and picked Dutton who is even perceived worse with women and further to the right.

It's time for LNP to have their wake up call and read the room and move back more to the centre and really focus on getting the women's vote back.

That's not to say i always think LNP should be closer to the centre, there is times when they shouldn't in key areas, it's just depends on the politics and issue's of the time.

For instance right now in Europe and USA they have issue's like illegal immigration and just culture war things that have made right wing parties popular.

But we aren't the USA or Europe and currently dont have the same issues, and even though i have strong views on some of the culture war shit, most people dont like it, i dont think it works to any advantage here is Australia , actually quite the opposite.

That shit can be fought in the USA and Europe and IMHO it is and there is change happening and that change will naturally flow onto Australia.

Two examples is the ruling in UK on what a women is and Trump no men in women's sport policy that even many democrat voters seem to agree with

BTW. On policy I dont think parties should always say black when the other party says white which LNP under Dutton has done, sometimes a party should have a similar policy to the opposing party on something if it makes sense and then it just adjust it slightly for the voter base.

tearymasseuse wrote:

Well…
It also certainly must be hard work blowing your own trumpet and being so handsome.

& the determination required to maintain such magnificent masculinity and unbridled narcissism gotta be pretty much all consuming ;)

… at least you are willing to admit that you sacrificed things
- like humility, compassion and mutual respect so you can just be a pretend intellectual and a cunt instead hahaha

(gerbil seeking cockeating orifice)

youtube.com/watch?v=4w4D63TunR0

Fella at 2.20 should have been flattened.

Right wing salty tears are delicious

Geez indo , before long you will be voting labor. On the subject of voting labor indo , you have previously said that people that do vote labor, particularly boomers, haven’t matured and grown up , do you still believe this ? Also I don’t think there would be many people that believe men in women’s sports is ok .

seeds wrote:

It’s a good gig Reform, especially as you get older. Not getting fixed in your ways. Stay diligent though!

Cheers mate..

Supafreak wrote:

Geez indo , before long you will be voting labor. On the subject of voting labor indo , you have previously said that people that do vote labor, particularly boomers, haven’t matured and grown up , do you still believe this ? Also I don’t think there would be many people that believe men in women’s sports is ok .

Ive never said that directed at Labor voters, i said that about those on the left to far left that have very naive idealistic type views that many of us had when we were in our late teen's into twenties yet they still hold the same views into their 50s or 60s

BTW. Ive voted Labor in the past sadly i voted for Krudd, but wont be voting Labor again.

farkinell mate, don't know about you, but life smacking me about has made my intelligence regress markedly over the years.. gimme an engaged young person to rule the world any day. Us oldies just start getting too much of a kick out of waggling our fingers and giving the future the stinkeye.. save us from ourselves, yoof.

Some classic Indo Dreaming quotes from this thread;
26/1/24- "Albo should never have been PM, he was never up to it, he is way out of his depth, he is like our own Biden just younger. "

22/6/24- "What garbage Supa. 5% to 10% of nuclear would compliment renewables and make it much much more realistic to go carbon free by 2050 and in no way would prevent renewables investment or whatever."

24/6/24- "End of the day people vote for the party that they are doing best under and thats the beauty of democracy."

11/6/24 "Interesting i guess he" (albo).. " is trying not to lose the muslim arab vote and just the antisemtic far left vote in general, i think he has anyway though."

28/12/24- "The reality is Gina is far more successful, richer, smarter and a better business person than any of us, and contributed far more than any of us every will or have to Australia financially/ economically."

16/2/25- "YouGov poll shows Peter Dutton in position to be next PM | ABC NEWS"

19/2/25- "Australia is right wing because we aren't a failed communist or socialist country."

6/3/25- "An update (from above 17th Feb odds)

LNP: $1,50
Labor: $2,62
Other: $81,00
Im surprised i thought maybe the latest interest rate cut might have helped Labor but seems not, maybe the possibility of sending troops to Ukraine evened thing's out."

10/4/25 (on Jacinta Price) - "Odds are she will probably never get a shot at the top even if she wants because well very few in politics do, but let's puts some perspective on things she is 43 Albo is 62, she has plenty of time if that's her goal, and she is already a far better public speaker than both Dutton and Albo (who is a very poor public speaker especially under pressure which is a real weakness fir a PM) "

Hahahahahahaha..... Hahahahahahahaha.
I'll give you one thing Indo, Your gut was right on the libs rolling out Nuclear as an election strategy. But it still blows my mind how you defended it. It was conservatives like you arguing for nuclear in online chats that kept the coalition thinking they were on a winner.
So, from many, I thank you, and many like you, for pushing the pros of nuclear for the past year, and guaranteeing the LNP at least a decade in the federal wilderness.

Supafreak wrote:

Geez indo , before long you will be voting labor. On the subject of voting labor indo , you have previously said that people that do vote labor, particularly boomers, haven’t matured and grown up , do you still believe this ? Also I don’t think there would be many people that believe men in women’s sports is ok .

I reckon a heap of people like indo wouldn't even call themselves 'conservative', and thus wouldn't vote as such, ...if there hadnt been such a strong propensity develop that loves to label anyone who breaks ranks as 'rwnj's'

...amongst other things...

the 'othering' has been off the charts

ugly

the tribalism...

"Also I don’t think there would be many people that believe men in women’s sports is ok ."

and if more people had the balls to call bullshit! on such things when they see it...

we very likely could have avoided 15 years of culture war bullshit

the UK decision is very telling

as is the likes of newsom (now, belatedly) speaking up

we all went down a 15 + years worm hole of lunacy

simply because it wasn't cool to speak up

thank fuck that sorted itself out...

looks a lot like...

bandt loses to labor

zoe loses to liberal

and I'm loving both...

the homeless man

No one could give a shit about men in women’s sports
It’s a non issue to the majority of people
It’s the rwnj still making it an issue
Normal people said yeah nah

I reckon @indo shouldn't call himself conservative @sypkan, because he simply isn't. I am more conservative than he is. So is @Supa, @etarip, @zen, @flollo and even @seeds..

your 'othering' and tribalism and numpty fucking stirring has been off the charts.

Not 'cool' to speak up? hahahahahahahahaa.. about very difficult issues like Barry making the women's 3rd div in Wodonga.. or our Aboriginal friends feeling their culture is being maligned and dismissed..

ugly as mate.. and sooo not cool. smarten the fuck up.

ohhh... touched a nerve with mr. nice guy...

the problem is... it's not just the problem you guys are trying to minimise it to...

it's high level domination in many cases

and, it's not just about sports...

and, if some people didn't speak up, from the left, the right, the gay, and even trans community... we'd still be in that wormhole to insanity

as to your second example, dunno wtf you're talking about, and don't care

not even relevant

oohhh, got a kick out of getting a reaction...

the problem is, you're out of touch

and should speak with real people

before you speak about real people

otherwise, yep, totally irrelevant

Sheepdog wrote:

Some classic Indo Dreaming quotes from this thread;
26/1/24- "Albo should never have been PM, he was never up to it, he is way out of his depth, he is like our own Biden just younger. "

22/6/24- "What garbage Supa. 5% to 10% of nuclear would compliment renewables and make it much much more realistic to go carbon free by 2050 and in no way would prevent renewables investment or whatever."

24/6/24- "End of the day people vote for the party that they are doing best under and thats the beauty of democracy."

11/6/24 "Interesting i guess he" (albo).. " is trying not to lose the muslim arab vote and just the antisemtic far left vote in general, i think he has anyway though."

28/12/24- "The reality is Gina is far more successful, richer, smarter and a better business person than any of us, and contributed far more than any of us every will or have to Australia financially/ economically."

16/2/25- "YouGov poll shows Peter Dutton in position to be next PM | ABC NEWS"

19/2/25- "Australia is right wing because we aren't a failed communist or socialist country."

6/3/25- "An update (from above 17th Feb odds)

LNP: $1,50
Labor: $2,62
Other: $81,00
Im surprised i thought maybe the latest interest rate cut might have helped Labor but seems not, maybe the possibility of sending troops to Ukraine evened thing's out."

10/4/25 (on Jacinta Price) - "Odds are she will probably never get a shot at the top even if she wants because well very few in politics do, but let's puts some perspective on things she is 43 Albo is 62, she has plenty of time if that's her goal, and she is already a far better public speaker than both Dutton and Albo (who is a very poor public speaker especially under pressure which is a real weakness fir a PM) "

Hahahahahahaha..... Hahahahahahahaha.
I'll give you one thing Indo, Your gut was right on the libs rolling out Nuclear as an election strategy. But it still blows my mind how you defended it. It was conservatives like you arguing for nuclear in online chats that kept the coalition thinking they were on a winner.
So, from many, I thank you, and many like you, for pushing the pros of nuclear for the past year, and guaranteeing the LNP at least a decade in the federal wilderness.

Sheepdog. Hi mate. Or should I say SleuthDog.

You’ve got ya big grandpa magnifying glasses out, good stuff.

Indo delusions. Re; Albo, Nuclear power , One Nation Party, and anti immigration etc.

Firstly, Australia will never have nuclear energy.

Secondly, if Albo was never fit to be Prime Minister……….then,

How would you classify Pauline Hansen as the leader of her party, for Prime Minister ? , I’d say to both points , delusional.

Anti immigration, but doesn’t he have a wife from another country, oh, she must be an ok one.
Flabbergasted by the range of ideologies that can exist amongst some people. AW

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/u2STi9e7Qtk

I haven’t seen any cartoons from Poorlean lately, has she run out of money ? Those court cases can add up over time .

Double post

all sounds a bit potentially japan-esy vj

ie. families servicing intergenerational loans

for properties worth half the purchase price...

View this post on Instagram

worry less about the dollars for a minute, champ.
you are better off than 95% of the planet..
sook la, farking sook, entitled sook, la la..

you and I coulda been born a thousand years ago,
and told to eat dirt by an inbred lead ridden monarch..
if we were lucky! 'ohh, I used to dreeeam of being
told to eat dirt by an inbred lead ridden monarch..'

we're not entitled to a fucking amazing life here..

you'd hafta be religious to not just think: 'geez, we are lucky..'

do you think we're on a passage to India, to salvation?

we act positive because we are monkeys who are muddling through
and want to create a space where we can all function.

what kinda cunt monkey would act like they're not getting their allocated 'nanas..?

google the rampant book banning. think about people for a minute.
living with revolting freaking arseholes telling them they shouldn't be.

you and me are smiled at for being creepy old white men plodding about.
you call the others 'wormholes' for demanding your respect?

I have nothing to say, other than a reminder of @seeds' mate

;)

dude, you made it pretty clear you cannot handle any negative sentiment about your team

your tribe...

but is it really necessary to get so shitty and snarky?

its politics champ, if you don't like meat, then back to the cucumber sandwiches thread...

pretty simple shit really

wot?

haha, it's all a bit of fun isn't it..

my team and tribe is anyone with a generous spirit,
and a live and let live attitude,
embracing egalitarianism,
but putting respect of others before that,
because we all need a little magic dust,
and respect within egalitarianism is the best dust..

if only it could be enough to stop people
falling down their own holes..

I'm veggo in my political views..?

mm.
maybe this is another thread I don't get.

sorry.. didn't mean to get snarky.

I'll leave you to it : )

"because we all need a little magic dust,"

or magic dirt

Supafreak wrote:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJRW7R5y6Nh/?igsh=bm5vd2p0dnphM2Jz

Haha that aged well!
And well said base6....

^I wonder how Jackie is getting on in Trump world mkII
Hopefully okay.

Sheepdog wrote:

Some classic Indo Dreaming quotes from this thread;

(Im actually surprised pretty much all of them i still agree with even if the context of the conversation cant be seen)

26/1/24- "Albo should never have been PM, he was never up to it, he is way out of his depth, he is like our own Biden just younger. "

(100% still think this, he is a terrible leader in that he can barely string two sentences together and as soon as media etc put pressure on him he gets frustrated and flustered, he really got lucky with timing of Covid and Scomo to get that kick start and now here we are second term who would have thought?)

22/6/24- "What garbage Supa. 5% to 10% of nuclear would compliment renewables and make it much much more realistic to go carbon free by 2050 and in no way would prevent renewables investment or whatever."

(This conversation was about how its either nuclear or renewable's which is not true, smart countries have diverse energy mixes)

24/6/24- "End of the day people vote for the party that they are doing best under and thats the beauty of democracy."

(Yeah still true, Albo isn't a great leader but Dutton was seen as possibly being worse and Labor have been smart to move back to the centre on much policy, while LNP did the opposite, i voted LNP, but im not going to make excuse's or blame media or whatever, LNP ran an unlikable leader, and just very poor strategy and policy etc )

11/6/24 "Interesting i guess he" (albo).. " is trying not to lose the muslim arab vote and just the antisemtic far left vote in general, i think he has anyway though."

(Its true, but Albo was smart not to make it too much of an issue though)

28/12/24- "The reality is Gina is far more successful, richer, smarter and a better business person than any of us, and contributed far more than any of us every will or have to Australia financially/ economically."

(100% true, i dont need to hate on smart successful people especially strong women)

16/2/25- "YouGov poll shows Peter Dutton in position to be next PM | ABC NEWS"

(Take it up with ABC)

19/2/25- "Australia is right wing because we aren't a failed communist or socialist country."

(ha ha it is true though, we are a successful capitalist country like every other successful country in the world, the Chinese communist party even run a capital based economy cause it works, but yeah that doesn't mean capitalism is perfect or without flaws, or that we also shouldn't have some socialist based policys)

6/3/25- "An update (from above 17th Feb odds)

LNP: $1,50
Labor: $2,62
Other: $81,00
Im surprised i thought maybe the latest interest rate cut might have helped Labor but seems not, maybe the possibility of sending troops to Ukraine evened thing's out."

(Damn i should have put $500 on Labor i was so close to doing so, i did mention a few times how the odds to me didnt make sense though)

10/4/25 (on Jacinta Price) - "Odds are she will probably never get a shot at the top even if she wants because well very few in politics do, but let's puts some perspective on things she is 43 Albo is 62, she has plenty of time if that's her goal, and she is already a far better public speaker than both Dutton and Albo (who is a very poor public speaker especially under pressure which is a real weakness for a PM) "

(All 10000000% true)

Hahahahahahaha..... Hahahahahahahaha.
I'll give you one thing Indo, Your gut was right on the libs rolling out Nuclear as an election strategy. But it still blows my mind how you defended it. It was conservatives like you arguing for nuclear in online chats that kept the coalition thinking they were on a winner.
So, from many, I thank you, and many like you, for pushing the pros of nuclear for the past year, and guaranteeing the LNP at least a decade in the federal wilderness.

I will give my thoughts now under each comment above with brackets, but yeah if this is the best dirt you can find on me in this thread, im quite happy with that, pretty much everything there i stand by, even without the benefit of the context of the conversation being had.

In regard to nuclear, i still think nuclear is one of the best and smartest forms of energy people like Dick Smith or Bill Gates etc agree with me, that doesn't mean im not a fan of renewables i think smart countries have a good diverse energy mix.

The problem is nuclear has been demonised in Australia for so long, and even people who support it wouldn't want it near them, the risk i see is reactor's being target's in a war.(something maybe obvious but that ive only really considered in the last few months)

So yeah from a political perspective it's just kind of dumb to suggest Nuclear in Australia, but if you really did want to decarbonise to stop climate change, nuclear would be on the table, the whole world would be building both renewables and nuclear and taking a two pronged approach.

And yeah I do get frustrated when people on the left hate on nuclear from a ideology point of view though in the same way people on the right hate on renewables from a ideology point of view.

So yeah it's a forum so have defended nuclear, but from the day Dutton suggested it, i also said it was a stupid thing to do politically.

Plus sadly sometimes the things that are best for a country long term aren't necessarily vote winners or things that are good political policy, Aussie politics works in four years cycles, its even worse in the USA where leaders can only serve two terms.

BTW. Labor were always going to win this election, history told us that with no one term government for almost 100 years, but how big the loss is, is the thing.

But a week is a long time in politics, let alone four years or longer, things and issues can change very quickly, you see this all around the world, one minute parties seem unelectable then another election cycle or two things have totally flipped.

indo-dreaming wrote:

Sheepdog wrote:

Some classic Indo Dreaming quotes from this thread;

(Im actually surprised pretty much all of them i still agree with even if the context of the conversation cant be seen)

26/1/24- "Albo should never have been PM, he was never up to it, he is way out of his depth, he is like our own Biden just younger. "

(100% still think this, he is a terrible leader in that he can barely string two sentences together and as soon as media etc put pressure on him he gets frustrated and flustered, he really got lucky with timing of Covid and Scomo to get that kick start and now here we are second term who would have thought?)

22/6/24- "What garbage Supa. 5% to 10% of nuclear would compliment renewables and make it much much more realistic to go carbon free by 2050 and in no way would prevent renewables investment or whatever."

(This conversation was about how its either nuclear or renewable's which is not true, smart countries have diverse energy mixes)

24/6/24- "End of the day people vote for the party that they are doing best under and thats the beauty of democracy."

(Yeah still true, Albo isn't a great leader but Dutton was seen as possibly being worse and Labor have been smart to move back to the centre on much policy, while LNP did the opposite, i voted LNP, but im not going to make excuse's or blame media or whatever, LNP ran an unlikable leader, and just very poor strategy and policy etc )

11/6/24 "Interesting i guess he" (albo).. " is trying not to lose the muslim arab vote and just the antisemtic far left vote in general, i think he has anyway though."

(Its true, but Albo was smart not to make it too much of an issue though)

28/12/24- "The reality is Gina is far more successful, richer, smarter and a better business person than any of us, and contributed far more than any of us every will or have to Australia financially/ economically."

(100% true, i dont need to hate on smart successful people especially strong women)

16/2/25- "YouGov poll shows Peter Dutton in position to be next PM | ABC NEWS"

(Take it up with ABC)

19/2/25- "Australia is right wing because we aren't a failed communist or socialist country."

(ha ha it is true though, we are a successful capitalist country like every other successful country in the world, the Chinese communist party even run a capital based economy cause it works, but yeah that doesn't mean capitalism is perfect or without flaws, or that we also shouldn't have some socialist based policys)

6/3/25- "An update (from above 17th Feb odds)

LNP: $1,50
Labor: $2,62
Other: $81,00
Im surprised i thought maybe the latest interest rate cut might have helped Labor but seems not, maybe the possibility of sending troops to Ukraine evened thing's out."

(Damn i should have put $500 on Labor i was so close to doing so, i did mention a few times how the odds to me didnt make sense though)

10/4/25 (on Jacinta Price) - "Odds are she will probably never get a shot at the top even if she wants because well very few in politics do, but let's puts some perspective on things she is 43 Albo is 62, she has plenty of time if that's her goal, and she is already a far better public speaker than both Dutton and Albo (who is a very poor public speaker especially under pressure which is a real weakness for a PM) "

(All 10000000% true)

Hahahahahahaha..... Hahahahahahahaha.
I'll give you one thing Indo, Your gut was right on the libs rolling out Nuclear as an election strategy. But it still blows my mind how you defended it. It was conservatives like you arguing for nuclear in online chats that kept the coalition thinking they were on a winner.
So, from many, I thank you, and many like you, for pushing the pros of nuclear for the past year, and guaranteeing the LNP at least a decade in the federal wilderness.

I will give my thoughts now under each comment above with brackets, but yeah if this is the best dirt you can find on me in this thread, im quite happy with that, pretty much everything there i stand by, even without the benefit of the context of the conversation being had.

In regard to nuclear, i still think nuclear is one of the best and smartest forms of energy people like Dick Smith or Bill Gates etc agree with me, that doesn't mean im not a fan of renewables i think smart countries have a good diverse energy mix.

The problem is nuclear has been demonised in Australia for so long, and even people who support it wouldn't want it near them, the risk i see is reactor's being target's in a war.(something maybe obvious but that ive only really considered in the last few months)

So yeah from a political perspective it's just kind of dumb to suggest Nuclear in Australia, but if you really did want to decarbonise to stop climate change, nuclear would be on the table, the whole world would be building both renewables and nuclear and taking a two pronged approach.

And yeah I do get frustrated when people on the left hate on nuclear from a ideology point of view though in the same way people on the right hate on renewables from a ideology point of view.

So yeah it's a forum so have defended nuclear, but from the day Dutton suggested it, i also said it was a stupid thing to do politically.

Plus sadly sometimes the things that are best for a country long term aren't necessarily vote winners or things that are good political policy, Aussie politics works in four years cycles, its even worse in the USA where leaders can only serve two terms.

BTW. Labor were always going to win this election, history told us that with no one term government for almost 100 years, but how big the loss is, is the thing.

But a week is a long time in politics, let alone four years or longer, things and issues can change very quickly, you see this all around the world, one minute parties seem unelectable then another election cycle or two things have totally flipped.

3 years mate in Australia.

AlfredWallace wrote:

Anti immigration, but doesn’t he have a wife from another country, oh, she must be an ok one.
Flabbergasted by the range of ideologies that can exist amongst some people. AW

Im not sure why you think im anti immigration?

Im not anti immigration.

Im against illegal immigration, not really much of an issue in Aust but a big issue in USA & Europe.

Im also against the very high rates of immigration that we currently have, these are unsustainable and fuel all kinds of problems.

I also have great concern's about large numbers of immigrants that we are bringing in that dont share the same values as most of the population and cause division.

And I think Australia needs to be smart and learn from the mistakes that are happening overseas especially in Europe

BTW. There is many people here on the left that have shared many of these views and concerns especially the very high immigration numbers.