Vaccinate or not

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Supafreak started the topic in Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 6:20pm

I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?

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Supafreak Thursday, 8 Jul 2021 at 4:41am

@Island bay , thanks for that , my kiwi mate who lives in Gibson pretty much says the same as you. The cartoon was more a shot at scumo than an endorsement of jacinda , like sypkan said , ALP leaders could be standing next to scumo in the cartoon . Whats the opposition like over there ?

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Island Bay Thursday, 8 Jul 2021 at 5:51am

Cheers, Supafreak. My response was a poor attempt to give a (personal) NZ perspective.

The opposition is mostly in disarray. National has imploded under poor leadership, and is polling and performing woefully. ACT (libertarian, low tax, etc) has gone from being semi-looney right to acting responsibly and asking pointy questions.

The Greens, who support the govt but are outside any real influence, have gone full-woke gonzo.

I used to vote Labour/Green, but the world has shifted under our feet the last two years (imho), and now I'm one of many politically homeless. It's not fun.

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Supafreak Thursday, 8 Jul 2021 at 6:02am

Hahaha , “ politically homeless “ yep I know what ya mean , thankfully we can go surfing .

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Island Bay Thursday, 8 Jul 2021 at 6:04am

And thank you, wee baby jesus, for that!

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sypkan Thursday, 8 Jul 2021 at 9:53am

I wasn't really advocating for adern...

just impressed by the pay cut bit

"It may look good from a distance, but the NZ government is pure fluff and token gestures. They have been big on words and statements, but haven't achieved anything in 4 years - except for locking the door.

A lot of people were excited, but it's been a huge disappointment.

Re the "Good Communicator", J Ardern is anything but. Daily propaganda stand-ups, but very little actual information ever escapes the tightly controlled channels. Yes, you voted for us, and we are your government, but we don't reeeaally need to tell you what the plan is ('cue big smile')."

seen very similar written in a few places now

big on big anouncements and promises, with not much else...

'locking the door her only achievement... with a big smile...'

so she's scomo with a smile instead of a smirk

a bit more likeable, got one thing right, and smoothes it over with a smile

as opposed to scomo, who's clearly a sociopath, got one thing right, and smoothes it all over with a smirk...

a barely contained nasty - we are fucking you over again... but know the opposition is in such disarray... that we'll get away with it again... and again... probably for many terms to come... - self satisfied smirk

"I used to vote Labour/Green, but the world has shifted under our feet the last two years (imho), and now I'm one of many politically homeless. It's not fun."

as much as I enjoy the schadenfreude of the new lefts self righteous, seemingly oblivious, self destruction... it really is not that much fun at all, ...being 'politically homeless'...

the feeling of absolute hopelessness, and shaftedness, with no change in sight, is quite confronting

alarming even

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sypkan Thursday, 8 Jul 2021 at 9:55am really feels like we are failing our children miserably...

and I really do not know what the answer is

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Island Bay Thursday, 8 Jul 2021 at 10:25am

Sypkan, keep in mind that millions of New Zealanders love Ardern, her govt, and how things are going, so the above are my views and experiences. I'm not pretending to speak for anybody else, although many do have similar concerns.

And yes, it does. Screw being a teenager now.

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truebluebasher Thursday, 8 Jul 2021 at 11:21am

Oz might recall Pro People Smugglerz Serco billing Aussies $Billions for Offshore Detention.
Each Boat Person a Milch cow raking in $640,000 year in [L] Quango Donations.
Oz taxpayers are billed more than ex PM cost/yr for each Boat Person.(Actual cost is $55,000/yr)
Each Medico was gagged to tick boxes & sign off on Blank sheets...then never see Quarters / Patients.

Running short of Boat People Serco sniffed down the UK $70 billion [L] Test'n'Trace Milch Cow...
UK taxpayers smelt a Rat & demanded NHS to swizzle their nostrils rather than Prison mobsters...
PM Boris said no fancy Medicos...The Oz #1 [L] Bouncer's Rort was healthier for his [L] Party.

Here's a small sample of UK [L] Howard's Pandemic Profiteering...(Wot! Aspen's Outbreaks Ha! Ha!)
2021 Serco's Pandemic Profits...$370m + $275m intitial contract = $645m for [L] Party funds.
[L] Serco Head mobsters win extra $14m each + $6.5m extra bonus each.

+ $30m Dividends for [L] Lord's portfolios... Here! Here! Love a jolly good Swizzle at the Club.

So wot is it that Serco do again?
Think the crew can answer that for themselves...bugger all + seemingly Sold off all the Merch!
No! It's not a Joke but it follows UK's sport of hiding Cases & switching death stats as exotic Summer Flu.

Here's how the recent [L] Serco Test'n'Trace scam works or doesn't be precise.
Qld Ellume retail DIY Tests for $30...US ordered 8.5m for $30.96m or $36 each ( Plants / Shipping)

UK Govt hands over $80 billion for [L] Serco to buy $1 billion DIY Tests or $80 each (100% [L] mark up!)
OK! So you don't buy into rorts! Then UK [L] is twice a stupid with Economics than the school dunce.

Yep! Of course that's only half a typical [L]'s Phase 2...the onsell of The Mark Up merch...
26th May Serco lazily said they posted out 691 million DIY Tests to homes, schools & work places.
However! UK Govt forgot how to count during Pandemic...Only 14% were ever reported by Audits?
Do we say 86% will Vax but 86% are afraid to Test? Sounds a bit suss!
For all we know is that 86% of 100% Marked up Swizzles were on sold to 3rd parties for more profit.
Again! 86% Test numbers unaccounted & none give a shit! Just like the 100% Mark up deal.

Buckets more of Lib Pandemic rorts...get yer Silver Spoons & dine off the dead...
UK Lib's Rogues Gallery..
*Turkish T shirt Designer lucks a UK contract for 400,000 gowns...unusable or imaginary.
*Offshore Currency / Property Trader lucks a $350m PPE contract...unusable or imaginary.
*Miami Jewelry Designer lucks $460m PPE Contract > on sells contract for $40m.
*Pest Control company worth $35,000 scores $150m PPE contract...just because!

Boris's stoic efforts were thwarted by his Brexit Blockade with 11,000 containers of PPE in lockdown.
Frontline told Boris to say thanx but no thanx to his mates...stuff the PPE we'll just wear the bin liners.

Amnesty : Violation of Human Rights > UK Phase 1 Aged Care Vax'n'Vac...$billion Inheritance windfall...
PM refuses to disclose Phase 1 Daily Vax > Death data...massaging UK death stats is a boom industry.

That's how the Libs roll accountability, fudged figures & Record Rorts by the minute.
Can't Jail them...Coz Serco rorts that as well...$30m ***** Penthouse Jail Suite with Spa & Uber Eats!

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old-dog Thursday, 8 Jul 2021 at 4:03pm

Last I heard in Sydney about 360 infections, 40 in hospital, 11 in ICU, and 3 on ventilators. I'm not into all this keyboard warrior junk science stuff and am eagerly awaiting my second AZ jab. I am hoping that this time I might get some side effects to show that my system is at least recognizing it. They can slow it down but I reckon eventually every human on the planet will come into contact with it.

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old-dog Thursday, 8 Jul 2021 at 4:38pm

Sounds like Indo is on the verge of disaster, ABC news saying over 50 kids under 5 have died in past week and over 1000 deaths a day and only about 2% vaccinated.

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batfink Thursday, 8 Jul 2021 at 5:01pm

Yeah, I fear for Indo (the country, not old mate on here).

Ardern does alright. Honestly, you don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone. I’m aware of quite a few things she has done that I wish we did here, including on trying to limit the spiralling house prices.

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velocityjohnno Thursday, 8 Jul 2021 at 7:17pm
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@VJ the rules around schools isolating are about to change so that if one kid in a class tests positive, the whole group isn't sent home for 10 days. It has been a bit of a farce and fairly pointless to send whole 'bubbles' home. Btw kids have worked out that if you put lemon juice onto a PCR test you get two lines and 10 days off school. School summer holidays start next week so an opportunity to reset policy.

Its now largely younger people now who aren't needing hospital care who are getting infected in the UK. Encouraging to see that despite the rise in cases, due to the vaccine roll out there isn't the pressure on the NHS which we saw pre vaccine. 28773 tested positive in the last 24 hours, 37 people died in the last 24 hours (having had covid within the last 30 days). Compared to January 19th when 38905 people tested positive and 1820 people died in 24 hours.

Positive cases will probably hit 100k a day when restrictions are lifted on the 19th. 86.2% of adults have had one vaccination, 64.3% have had both vaccinations so edging towards the much talked about herd immunity 70%+.

thanks for all that Upnorth. A good time to be a grommet with lemon juice in Croyde or Barnstaple I guess. (Seriously, that's some excellent citizen-science by the kids!)

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velocityjohnno Thursday, 8 Jul 2021 at 7:32pm

& tbb masterful use of 'milch cow'. We need to hear that one more, such a great term (used for German re-supply submarines, getting more torpedos etc to the boats at sea blockading the UK in WW2)

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JQ Thursday, 8 Jul 2021 at 8:26pm
sypkan wrote: really feels like we are failing our children miserably...

and I really do not know what the answer is

For sure we can make no progress whatsoever in this regard until we cut the corporate money out of politics, massively tighten the restrictions on lobbying and set up a federal ICAC, with real consequences.

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truebluebasher Thursday, 8 Jul 2021 at 9:49pm

Crew & all are wondering why Delta is infecting more Vaccinated and Youth
US / UK / France / Israel experts, now have the guts to speak out on the Vax breakthrus
Hotchpotch news update ropes in rebel yells from far & wide & all at's pretty raw.
There's a lot packed in here that marks a turning point but tbb swears that's organic... No Revolution!
tbb promised to salute whoever treats us as Humans...Thanx to all those sticking their necks out.

Here's a few reasons that we know why this breakthru has come about.
* US has reported a long continuous rise in Variant Kidz covid from 2% > 24% so this is no surprise.
* Higher vaxed nations present high in cases as low vaxed present lower in cases. (Normal!)
* Also that Phase 1 Elderly & Shift Workers are Zombies with lowest fast fading Vax immunity.
* Pfizer Vaccine efficacy fades faster than thought ...dropping from 94-64% in last month.
* French Pasteur :
"Pfizer's Variant drop in efficacy > Original > Alpha 2.6x > Beta 4.9x > Delta 6x less effective as Alpha!
Note: Obsolete Pfizer is now 15.6x less effective at fighting Covid than original Variant brew...
* Pfizer is more highly infectious than no vax for 1st Rolling out Youth Vax (More Infectious)
* Pfizer is more infectious than no vax to Variants from 2nd dose onward.
* Vaccinated Frontline also now contracting Long Covid...very serious, as experts were hoping opposite.

Israel has around 300 Current Delta infections...(These stats will ramp in a few weeks)
55% Vaxed ( 15% Returning Travelers must be Vaxed )
33% Under 11( Highest unvaxed group but also siblings of current most infectious Pfizer Teen group )
13% 12-18 (Pfizer Teen Vax > Likely 1/2 doses highly infectious to siblings)
Note : (Israel Pfizer Phase 1 Rollout infected 3x above unvaxed rate...the teen stats are no surprise.)

Israeli Ministry of Health is actually asking infected Vaccinated to wear masks & be tested.
That is progressive news for the world that Israel will count breakthrus...
Israel Lab Data : "Immune systems of Vaxed produce fewer antibodies capable of neutralising Delta."
"These antibodies play a large role in preventing infection from taking place at all."
"Delta could be "More Likely" to infect Fully Vaxed, but "not much more likely" to send them to Hospital."

Scientists worry Delta will bring waves of illness & death to highly vaxed countries like US / UK / Israel.
Most of this harm will impact unvaxed & it's crucial to clarify risk to vaxed & previously infected.

Israeli Experts : "Ministry of Health is Under selling Pfizer's robustness in the face of Delta!"

What's Israel doing about it!
Suggesting more Testing up to 5 days for returned Travelers
Ramp more Vax / Promoting Booster Shots for Elderly / Restricting Kidz to groups of 12

US Institute of Health Metrics & Evaluation C. Murray...
There's no doubt the Vaccinated are spreading Delta & amongst each other.
"We actually have States where Hospitalizations are going up more than Cases!"
"Data from CDC may mask the Virus true Spread!"
"Drilling into State Data...We have 14 states where Covid has Spread!"

UK: Kings College Tim Spector :
"You can't explain highly vaxed Scotland outbreak without vaccinated playing a role in transmission!"
Note: Scotland has a Large Youth outbreak...It could be linked to Elder siblings being recently vaxed.
But! There seems to be a link with Variants breaking thru both Vax & Youth as in US covid kid'z rise.
tbb can't find this link but swears there is more to this untold story of Variant / Vax in the Household.
In otherwords...if this New Science is right...then vaxed Parents / Siblings should be infecting families.
Even if that was true...there would be very few parents willing to out careless spreading...( Mystery! )
tbb has read of deaths in this context but no consistent line of cases have been to why?
Anyhow! Worth checking on Family Feud Variant Outbreaks...Vaxed / Part Vaxed / Non Vaxed...
Mostly as Families have vaxed downward in age as Variants strengthen...surely an easy valuable study!

No one can afford to breathe new life into a failing vax to combat the faster evolving virus.
Science is showing that each Variant is ripping shreds off Vax efficacy...the game is nearly up!

Here's where Boris found his Vaxit...( Kidz Vax Poll ) Yes (vs) No (Very soft results that change daily!)
EU is not racing for a Kidz Travel Pass ...UK will simply push on & Rollback over the kidz if they need to.
Ahead, Boris allows all Voters to Travel abroad but keeps Families & visitor Spend safely in UK
UK Vaxit :
UK PM is boycotting the hearty Kidz Vax & spreading Kidz Long Covid
Possibly allow private School exclusion Vax or Jet Setters Kid Vax when called upon.

Reason for slight delay in UK September Dose 3 Rollout for Frontline / Elderly
PS: AZ is arguing for Phase 3 'antibody' vax approval to side step trials examining poor AZ efficacy. Shh!
Warrants a Standing Ovation....if not the crafty AZ chick at least for those breaking ranks & singing out.

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Fliplid Friday, 9 Jul 2021 at 5:37am

“milch cow” fits hand in glove with “commercial in confidence”, the term used to wonderful effect here in Australia

The dream of corporate pay offs continues

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frog Friday, 9 Jul 2021 at 11:41am

As TBB has highlighted it is not going to be a neat and tidy story like say the polio or measles vaccine.

The future reality is messy and is probably closest to the history of flu vaccinations:

"During seasons when the flu vaccine viruses are similar to circulating flu viruses, flu vaccine has been shown to reduce the risk of having to go to the doctor with flu by 40 percent to 60 percent."

- the need for a good match between vaccine and virus.
- REDUCE (not eliminate) risk
- less severe for many but plenty get sick still

We will muddle through.
Vaccines will be net positive but also also a much needed justification for individuals and society to accept some risk (like Shark Banz - seems to work often but sometimes not at all but makes some feel safer???)
Short lived spikes will flare up and cause trouble in geographic regions, population / demographic groups for some years (Hong Kong flu did that in 1969–70 - up to four million deaths)
The forums, media and political dialogue and medical advice will get even messier until in a few years a mix of boredom and grim acceptance sets in of living with covid and ongoing risks to the old, infirm and unlucky (and possibly those with the wrong or no vaccine).

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wax24 Friday, 9 Jul 2021 at 6:21pm

I work in hospital here in the states. Intubate a few poor souls and watch em suffer and then get back to me on your vaccine views. They will have changed for alot of you. Lotsa good points made, but none can hold the water the above stated point does, imho.

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shoredump Friday, 9 Jul 2021 at 7:13pm

I agree frog. The next few years look rather messy

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truebluebasher Friday, 9 Jul 2021 at 10:59pm

supafreak might wanna review his upbeat UK ivermectin combo trials.

Just, what have you gone & done supafreak...think ya might of oversold yer wonderdrug.
AZ/Oxford Uni crew are now pushin' Ivermectin tabs at UK Beatnik dives man.

MSM sponsored GP / DIY pill-poppers to clear the upcoming UK Hospital 20m/day motherlode
All see wotz goin' on here....Boris is trimming WR Hospital healthcare costs with proven anti viral tabs.
Treat them at home with a Chem' Warehouse generic placebo washed down with a glass of hydralyte.

We did speak of this...Ivermectin is banned for Covid unless Big Pharm milk it...(Now it's money for Jam!)
supafreak will be stoked with UK Knights / Charities / Trusts / MSM all hailing ivermectin a miracle cure.

Camera 2 : WHO are caught out worming in their grave...
Sir Iver Mectin to you! " I spit on yer grave...How ya like me now!"

Has punk ivermectin SOLD OUT...will there be enough drugz for the Stoned Ponies?
That's how these Pandemics come to an end...with some guy in a white coat shooting all the Horses.
Don't cry! We don't have to shoot the Horses, as long as they let us smash up the Lab...Happy Ending!

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truebluebasher Saturday, 10 Jul 2021 at 2:35am

wax24 oddly never mentions struggling with Covid ...
But also makes a good point that many suffer & struggle with tubes & masks each & every day/night.
tbb dreams to just once sleep without a mask & breathing tubes...never happen in my wildest dreams!
Never once woke up feeling half alive to get on with much at all.

Hoses / Masks / Water Chamber dictates yer life.
Vents have air combo mix / controlled settings in a closed highly Toxic setting.

Vents are Frontline so need to read from the front at waist height so tubes run down flooding patients.
CPAP is DIY & kept low to be read from bed height & also set at a height to counter upcreep of water.
ICU needs Filters = Patients Stew in yer own juices & (Suffocate) in VOCs good as a dead man.
The exhaustion of breathing at any automated set pace with no exhale will wear out yer heart & Lungs.
tbb has done o/n tests & every second was a Marathon + wanna die!

DIY CPAP rid Filters = Can exhale VOCs / Virus out expiration a Volcano for natural breathing

Read together & see how Vent patients regurgitate / suffocate (vs) CPAP has vast exchange of air.
Those on Vents usually have obstructed airways so any regurgitation infects & swells throat.
The coiled tubes are Bacterial Straws & need a Chem Rinse...VOCs. (Silver lining is not for us!)

Water Chamber
0- 30% = Wake all worn out as if you just died + Burns yer guts out all day every day / weeks / months
30-50% = 5 > 7hrs Sleep Max (For Pros -5yrs or more!)
60-100% = Funneled breathing bellows the water from chamber & shorts yer unit as you fight for air!
50% > 0% = Basically runs dry for a set 5hr rough sleep or 6-7 hrs wake once sleep.
Risk cleaning the Mask & you'll chip the collar 3/10 times...A Birthday Treat!
Rinse out the Tube with Mouth Wash...Ok!

Chin / Cradle straps furrow constant bloodied wounds on yer scalp...(re: Crown of Thorns)
Have to hide around the corner then bribe the Barber for a/h hair cut...
Next week tbb has an EEG...
Clinic policy : No Hair Oils / Styling products / Head Lice...No worries!
tbb is fine : Have very little scalp left so just need the 2 neck bolts to charge up the electrodes.
Relax...forewarned both Barber & Hospital...that's a given & it's a life...
If you want gory details...The wounds are severe & bloodiest of all today they were!
So no! Doesn't get better with practice...(Think Convict irons on ones head!)

just saying wax24 is dead right...intubation survival rate is poor with or without Covid.
Vent patients also suffer long / Lifetime Covid like symptoms without the Covid.
22 April 2020 NY Deaths 2,634 > 21% died from Covid (vs) 88% died from Covid Ventilator assist.

wax24 "Intubate a few poor souls and watch them suffer...."
Very few would share the plight of those without a voice...shows a lot of compassion...Salute Frontline!
tbb agrees 100% ...never wish any of the crew to be intubated / swizzled / jabbed / masked or infected.
So how many of those do we gotta pick...can we just pick one...two...three...not doin' way!

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Supafreak Saturday, 10 Jul 2021 at 8:15am

@TBB , my prediction is trials will continue for ivermectin and be dragged out for months and months, meanwhile with cases on the rise in the US , Merck will before the years out be given a EUA for their new drug moinupiravir . This can only happen if there is not already a proven suitable treatment for covid . I’m not saying Merck new drug won’t work but where is its proven safety data like ivermectin has after 4 billion doses ? Plus Merck will be able to charge whatever they like and has already secured a contract with the US government. The NIH is also doing trials on ivermectin, its only taken them 15 months to start trials but you can’t rush these things can you ? The most important thing is how the NIH and Oxford University conduct these trials in regards to protocol , doctors have been saying forever that it’s not just ivermectin but a cocktail of drugs and vitamins. The HCQ trials conducted by Oxford were a joke and have many in the medical community up in arms about it . Bill Gates foundation was also supposed to be doing trials on ivermectin but haven’t heard anything back for months . Remdesivir was given a EUA by Fauci after 4 trials and is pretty useless but makes a pretty penny . Ivermectin has had more than enough trials and if it had 50 gold standard peer reviewed trials it still wouldn’t get the recommendations. I think frogs right in his predictions that it’s going to get messy.

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Supafreak Sunday, 11 Jul 2021 at 6:36am

3 reports but very different in terms of deaths in children. Watching ABC News Stories Indonesia's children hit hard by COVID crisis in iview.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 11 Jul 2021 at 10:17am

That ones pretty scary, I'm betting that the Covid stats for Indo are just the tip of the iceberg, expect Indo could be one of the last places on earth to get covid under some type of control.

Wife's mum, ended up getting pretty sick the other day from Covid, had trouble breathing so had to go to hospital but hospital pretty much full so just got a camp type bed in a common area, and turns on portable air, took a few days just for the Doctor to get to see her, but now she has got her own proper bed and better access to air when needs it.

I think maybe she has gone through the worst of it, but got a bit scary for a while, she looked pretty bad in the pics I've seen, she is about 60 and overweight but even if she gets the flue bad she never gets that sick.

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Supafreak Sunday, 11 Jul 2021 at 10:46am

Hope she fully recovers indo , your wife must be stressed and feeling a bit helpless being so far away . Yeah not looking good for the children in Indonesia and the difference in how covid effects different races of people.

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I focus Sunday, 11 Jul 2021 at 11:04am

Hey Indo with luck the MIL will get through with some O2 hopefully no on going issues with organ damage from O2 starvation I wish her luck.

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Supafreak Sunday, 11 Jul 2021 at 11:18am

Latest NSW update, the 90 yo who died contracted covid in the household where she lived , report doesn’t say if she was fully vaccinated .

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velocityjohnno Sunday, 11 Jul 2021 at 1:18pm

Vic to make border announcement this arvo - "Don't delay, come back today" is the message:

"“We’ve been giving some consideration all day, and most of yesterday to whether all of New South Wales will go red and I won’t hesitate to do it,” Mr Andrews said.

“I’m not here to grade New South Wales. I’m here only to inform you that we will not hesitate to act as a state.”

He once again urged Victorians in NSW to return to Victoria as soon as possible so they don’t become stranded.

“Don’t delay, come back today,” he said. “If you’re coming home, then you better be quick about it.”

The Premier expressed empathy for the escalating outbreak in NSW.

“We send our best wishes to our colleagues and friends in New South Wales. With 77 cases today, a third of whom were not in isolation, that’s very significant."


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Supafreak Sunday, 11 Jul 2021 at 2:22pm

NSW “There are now 52 people being treated in hospitals across the state, including 15 in Intensive Care, of whom five require ventilation. Among those in ICU are a 16-year-old, one person in their 20s, one in their 30s and one in their 40s.There are now 15 people critically ill in ICUs in the state, five of whom including a 16-year-old.

"We cannot afford to have complacency," Dr Chant said.

"There are many people (in hospital) under the age of 55 - that dispels the myth that it is only for the elderly.

Health authorities are also noting a growing trend of serious illness in young people.” Still can’t find reports that say if any of these people were vaccinated or not .

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truebluebasher Sunday, 11 Jul 2021 at 3:21pm

Supafreak is onto it...

(Pleasantville) Vermont is least pop dense US state & prides US #1 > 85% Vaxed population...(Perfect)
Just listen to how smug these pricks are, they actually believe they're invincible...

Vermont Governor Scott : " Pointed out the protection the young kidz receive from being surrounded by vaccinated teens & adults, particularly in Vermont where the vax rates are amongst the highest in the country...For younger children who aren't yet eligible, because of our high vax rate, that means they are more protected as well - because there is less virus and transmission in the community!"

Sounds a little bit too much like Mom's Apple Pie... don't you think...that's because it needs to be.
Shall we open the Governor's can of worms...well maybe just a it stinks to high heavens.

American Academy of Pediatrics [Factcheck]
Vermont Kiddie Covid is by far the highest rate on the Planet ...peaking at 22.7% of Total cases.
To be clear! We're not describing highest number of cases rather Vermont's highest % of kidz in total.
Smug perfect Mum & Dad are infecting their kids...because they think their Shit don't Stink.
So! The exact opposite is true & Vermont's kidz represent as Covid Poster Kidz of the World.
Could have a wild guess as to why....but you might wanna ask yer perfect disease free Parents?

tbb explained when US started vaccinating they started infecting their kids from 2% > 24% Covid cases.
Vax died off & now levels out at 14% of cases....(New Default setting!)

Keep saying it...Vaxers are the most infectious superspreaders (re: vax incubation infection data shows)
Govt's say they'll refuse to apply Vax superspreading isolation into rollouts as it fuels anti-vaxerz.
Basically...vaxerz are not told to isolate during incubation yet they're 2x-3x more infectious > (Lockdown)
This is precisely what happens when Pollies ignore commonsense scientific warnings...(Since Feb 2021)

7/1/2021 re: Vermont 22.7 % > send the Pleasantville Governor a wish you were here PostCard.
Quite a many high Vax states Connecticut , Maine, Maryland push out high % of Kiddie Covid...
Let's all pray that the big bad wolf will leave their town...OMG Zombies...Wake the fuck Up!

[factcheck] Can also see that on the same chart....
Georgia is the laziest US Vax State > 37% vaccination..
Least Vaxed Mums & Dads spread the least Kiddie Covid > US lowest Kidz rate at 11.5% of total cases.
Many other Low vax states Oklahoma / Missouri also keep their low Kiddie Covid % a secret.
Interesting that if you half the Vax you can half of the Kiddie's Covid rate...Shh! Best keep that a secret.

tbb was more interested in digging out any "Slight" anomalies that might further unravel Covid...
Got one or two Family ties...only coz it looms large with emerging Kidz outbreaks..
In this case the oddity being a few sparse High / Low vax States recording high Kids Covid.
That is an ominous sign when Kids represent highest stat in far away isolated towns.

Covid is about to tear apart our Family Circle & tbb thinks we soon gotta fight a bit harder for love.
Govt's already can block Families from Nan but may soon pit Parent vs Child...not pretty!
Keep an eye on the World News as Kidz are about to Headline every City & Town.
Just showed how our Leaders won't hesitate to exploit sure to read between the lines!
Think Kidz are gonna be robbed of Childhood & be made to Man up well before there time...

Expose a UK fairytale next...even shocked the shit outta tbb...

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batfink Sunday, 11 Jul 2021 at 3:37pm

There have so far been repeated use of ‘second wave’ and ‘third wave’ of Covid since this began last year. I suspect that in 10 years’ time we will be looking back at the spread of the delta variant as the true second wave. We may be lucky that by this time next year we get enough vaccines and the vaccines work enough to ensure our hospitals aren’t overrun, but don’t, um, hold your breath.

We could be less than half way through this.

FWIW, vaccines seem to be having a real world effect on who gets Covid and whether they end up in hospital (in Australia) although elsewhere the sinovax isn’t looking great. Unfortunately that is the main one they’ve been using in Indo.

Stay safe out there. Sydney has a minimum of one extra week of lockdown after this Friday, but more likely two and I’d be pretty surprised if we got away with that.

I have two wishes in life - to never be intubated and never have that tube up your penis to drain away your piss when you’re incapacitated, sorry, the name of that escapes me at the moment. Something about having tubes shoved into your parts just doesn’t sit well. Don’t mind the blood thingy though, just those two.

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truebluebasher Sunday, 11 Jul 2021 at 8:02pm

UK Maps will reveal a very telling anomaly about UK Vax Rollout...
tbb never went looking for this & was tracking High/Low Vax to HotSpots...
The Guardian Map reflects approx vax rates by County as to NHS conservative Regional Tally
Not sure where Guardian digs out their (Approx) City stats..anyhow they get a Salute for Cool Maps.
Might of earlier said shocked...but this is petty much a thing now...

Unusually the Hot Spots represented Low Vax Regions...just as the experts said..
Might sound odd but it's usually High Vax infections spread High Cases...
tbb was almost prepared to buy this turnaround & thought to write a glowing praise for Vax...
Only there were some weird patterns that showed as if Vax Counties invaded Low Vax Cities...
Give away was the Hospitalizations Map...falsely grouping Delta cases to bigger less vaxed cities.

Explain: When tbb checked these seemingly tiny Low Vax / Hot a rude shock!
These lowest vax Hot Spots were the largest Cities in England...Like Ok!...better check on that!
These large Cities were obviously Locked Down so had previously had the lowest Vax / Covid rates.

Surrounding vaccinated towns are again swarming & infecting these newly opened lazy vaxed Cities.

tbb will include (1) UK Pop Density Map + (1) UK Hot Spot / Change / Vax Map
Can run Maps side by side + Flick switch the Vax Hottie...
UK Pop Density Map + Vax%
Largest 10 UK Cities 3500-5000/km2 (33%-48% vaxed)
London 33% Manchester 38% Luton 38% Birmingham 39% Southampton 42% Bristol 42%
Leicester 43% Liverpool 44% Hull 47% Portsmouth 48%

Next Largest UK Cities 1500 - 3500/km2 (35% -50% vaxed)
Nottingham 35% Newcastle 42% Reading 42% Brighton 44% Cambridge 45% Exeter 46% Norwich 46% Wolverhampton 46% Middlesbrough 49% Ipswich 50%

Lowest Populated counties UK 0 - 500/km2 (50%-61% vaxed)

Less than 50% UK vax rate fades fast approaching large cities plummeting as it nears London 33%
Clearly vax fails as city grows...therefore Vax rates are much lower than what is portrayed.
UK Media claim 60-65% - 2 dose vax - need to back that up...don't buy into higher wild claims.

Possible Explanations...
* UK are counting Vax Deliveries as Totals thus writing off unrealistic 5% Vax waste Quota.
tbb earlier reported that LDSS 6/7 VIP shots are secreted for just such UK Health waste events
* UK can also claim Larger % Vax County size as a Gerry Mander coverage!

(Over Weeks) Hot Spots show Vaccinated country folk superspreading unlocked lesser Vaxed Cities.
tbb forewarned of Invincible's Delta invasion of London / Birmingham...that is now underway.
Believe wot ya like but there's a lot fake calls about...

If the experts are right about Low Vaccination Delta Hot Spots.
Then the vax coverage is lowest in Largest Delta cities > then 60% Vax is looking more like a lie!

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tylerdurden Sunday, 11 Jul 2021 at 9:21pm

Good Ivermectin summary

Oxford Principle trial assessing treatment only, results should be through by the end of the year.
However, there appears to be significant benefit when given to every Covid +ve patient irrespective of symptoms and all their close contacts even if they’re -ve. ie as prophylaxis.

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truebluebasher Sunday, 11 Jul 2021 at 11:32pm

Israel Ministry of Health are keeping it Honest (Salute!)
Firstly tbb reminds Israel has gotta tread carefully with the Kidz-Vax (Pfizer open records share).
We can fill in the gaps with the current quality UK Kid stats...(Salute!)

27th June - 3rd July Cases from Israel
Age......Total % No Vax (vs) Vax > % + of Pop'
0-9.......11.8 % > UK : Track cases climbing with age > (Puberty 1 yr 50% less) > rising to last year of Uni.
10-19...39.6% > UK : # 1 > Household infections (re: Israel Vaccinated Parents 40-49 y/o)
20-29.....8.5%...........25 (vs) 95 / 79% + 78%
30-39.....6.8%...........33 (vs)133/ 80% + 83%
40-49...11.4%..........33 (vs)175/ 84% + 86% (Note Vax / Parenting Age of Kidz [ 10-19 ] is high)
50-59.....8.2%...........18 (vs)127/ 88% + 89%
60-69.........8%...........16 (vs)134/ 89% + 91%
70-79.....4.6%..............7 (vs) 90 / 93% + 95%
80-89.........1%..............2 (vs)0.2 / 92% + 94%
90 +.........0.1%..............0 (vs)0.2/100% + 93%

Delta Hot Spots
Note : #2 Child Care = 'As in Open Education' eg: Special School + Open Uni ( Repeat Gatherings )

1 Home 2 Child Care 3 Dining 4 Shopping 5 Gym 6 Venues 7 Work 8 Visitors 9 Hospitality 10 Transit.
Crew know that Parents are one step away from Home School again...can't rule it prepared!
Parents of Teens for Uni...better check any out / Home learning clauses...Coz UK Unis are getting ripe.

Note: Aged Care slipped from Top 10...(However the infectious Kids will be banned from visiting Nan!)
Might consider next round of Policy - School / Work / Care ... Child < (vs) > Parent < (vs) > Nan.
Parents with kid'z germs might dip out on promotions...or get an outdoor office?

Pollies are playing this down...Mum & Dad must plan ahead, even better than before...won't hurt!

10% Kidz get (Multi - illness) Long Covid + personality disorders...(5 months) > 3% Longer term...

Experts say Kidz will need Clinical Support & Ongoing studies...(Very costly)
Next agro Kidz Variant/s might start to mutate Puberty...that's the real fear.
Pfizer are alone & with TGA right now drafting Oz Trials for 12 >15y/o Vax with view to younger ages.

Yep! A lot of huge changes & epic challenges for Parents...
Much of the crew have said that this gets worse before it gets better...
tbb recommends you listen to the wise Vax or Not crew...sounds like real proper advice.
Best we share the best info now more than ever...good stuff from the crew & Good Health to all.

PS: Special Salute for Israel & UK for sharing the Kids's only fair on the Parents...Respect!

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Blowin Monday, 12 Jul 2021 at 2:46am

My Partner’s uncle died four days after the shot. An otherwise healthy 88 years old. Lived alone, self sufficient, still drove capably. Found dead in his home bleeding from the mouth. If he had tested positive for Covid four days before dying it would be on the news as a Covid death. It’s a vaccine death.

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tylerdurden Monday, 12 Jul 2021 at 6:11am

What do you think of the review article on Ivermectin Tbb?

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Blowin Monday, 12 Jul 2021 at 6:57am

My Partner’s uncle died four days after the shot. An otherwise healthy 88 years old. Lived alone, self sufficient, still drove capably. Found dead in his home bleeding from the mouth. If he had tested positive for Covid four days before dying it would be on the news as a Covid death. It’s a vaccine death.

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Supafreak Monday, 12 Jul 2021 at 10:47am

Commiserations to you and your family blowin .

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truebluebasher Monday, 12 Jul 2021 at 11:31am

Sad story Blowin and pass on our condolences to your partner/s family.

tbb has only been out twice in 4 weeks & heard an eerily similar account by the local barber.
He colourfully recalled his spriteful 89 y/old Vic Aunty as being the local Bingo hall hand waver.
Family backed her wish of no jab, yet at her retirement haven they jabbed her without consent.
Same day she was carted off to hospital & by week's end pronounced dead...

His family all claim it was near enough manslaughter...
However Vic Health argue it's yet another Co/Morbid death!
Presumably referring to the Lady's unhealthy Bingo habit...

Makes yer wonder just how ultra-rare these accidental 1 / Gazillion vax deaths are...
Almost as if they're creeping on folks.

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I focus Monday, 12 Jul 2021 at 11:38am

Sorry to hear that Blowing commiserations.

Will there be an autopsy and end up with the coroner?

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Blowin Monday, 12 Jul 2021 at 12:02pm

The doctor told the grieving family that he would pronounce natural causes so as to not prolong their grief with investigations . Family acquiesced as they are overwrought but still claim it was vaccine which killed him. Point stands that it’d be pronounced a Covid death if he tested positive for Covid four days previous to dying. Presumption of innocence officially lies with vaccine.

Was my mother in law’s brother in law. I never met him and I’m not directly involved beyond my partner’s grief.

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truebluebasher Monday, 12 Jul 2021 at 11:09pm

Thanks for sharing tylerdurden & the article was first rate..
You're very astute in pointing out Oxford Trial is for Adult post infection treatment only.
supafreak can update any prevention Trials...

Emergency has only sanctioned Pfizer / Remdesivir 'cradle to grave' pre / post Covid monopoly
Emergency has also sanctioned GSK Sotrovimab (Monoclonal Antibodies) Strictly 12yrs +
Other vaxes from 16 up...

Ivermectin needs to backdoor the Rollout by exploiting availability / affordability / accessibility.
Oddly Ivermectin has many strengths to play upon...complies with all Emergency Vax / Drugs.
Ivermectin is chemically compliant with preventive Pfizer.,4221-19642
Ivermectin is compliant with AZ,4236-19687
Ivermectin is also chemically compliant with treatment Remdesivir.,4146-0
Ivermectin is compliant with Sotrovimab,4263-0

Ivermectin is also approved for Kidz > Adults
Ivermectin adult Covid treatment trials are approved by Big Pharma & underway.

Sept 2019 "Off Label" Ivermectin Trial for under 15kg...(Covid stalled any advances)

June 2021 India U.P. 75 districts Kidz 0-18yrs - 5m Covid Ivermectin Prescription Packs.

2021 Oxford Uni - Ivermectin Scabies Trial continues with (6 mths age) 5kg-15kg"
This ensures Ivermectin can match Big Pharma to test all age 'Covid Trials' from 2022 onward

2021/2 - 5m Kidz Ivermectin scripts / tabs 6mth/5kg > ( Ivermectin all age open Covid Compliance ).
That backs up Oxford Adult Ivermectin Covid does seem to be coming on more than not!

Ivermectin might have a crack at Mopping up this lot...

* Kidz Long Covid.

* Caught Covid got Vaccinated caught Covid again!

* Frontline Vaccinated caught Covid now Long Covid.

Cannot see Big Pharma surrendering their crowns.
Ivermectin is universal enough to work from Long Covid back to a preventative role.
All depends on partnering all age Antibody drug kickers.
Affordable workhorse drug should win over the Health Budget to play a leading Covid role.

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tylerdurden Tuesday, 13 Jul 2021 at 8:51am

Wow, that’s a comprehensive and impressive summary of Ivermectin TBB, possibly the best I’ve seen, you should be commended.
Ivermectin had reasonable evidence by Dec 2020, approximately equivalent evidence in terms of validity compared to the compromised evidence of the vaccines yet went nowhere.
It came in to its own recently in India when they ran out of oxygen and ventilators and some regions decided to use it anyway given that people are going to die no matter what....and surprise surprise it worked as a preventative. No RCT’s just retrospective statistical analysis so therefore still not accepted in the developed countries. But the doctors in India knew it was working and saw very, very little side effects so kept giving it.
Goes to show how complicated the pharmaceutical industry is. Published evidence versus business perhaps? Not always consistent.
Maybe we should be using it in Sydney as a preventative?

Hopefully this post doesn’t get deleted.
Last time I put a post up here with tricky questions it was deleted in minutes

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Supafreak Tuesday, 13 Jul 2021 at 9:37am

Unfortunately I don’t think ivermectin will ever get past the TGA , Professor Borody tried without success. Here is a couple of previous posts I put up , the second is a letter from someone who wrote to the TGA. The TGA annual budget is approximately $165 million and we operate predominantly on a cost recovery basis. The regulatory costs are recovered through fees and charges levied on sponsors and manufacturers of therapeutic goods. We use an activity based costing model to calculate the relevant costs for each activity we undertake. And here is a comment from a ex TGA staff ( cant prove he was staff ). Since I worked for many years at TGA I know the culture and mentality very well! Many of those, including top management without a fail, I call educated morons who will defend the system ABOVE ALL!
In the past, TGA reacted to minor safety issues with an amazing force yet to serious or deadly events, they just went along with sponsors
I HAVE BEEN BULLIED and reprimanded numerous times for following the letter of the Act, rather than silent industry arrangements!
The whole system must be erased to the ground an rebuild on very different principles DOMINATED BY THE REAL PROTECTION OF THE PUBLIC and NOT the big pharma, which has been bankrolling the system for a few decades now
As a former TGA head stated in front of senate hearing (considered by me as the lowest form of human being), TGA has not received any application for the use of ivermectin in the treatment of goatvid 19!!!
AUSTRALIA HAS NO REGULATORY MECHANISM TO allow the extension of the clinical use of a drug, without the application by its sponsor!
This is criminal, particularly for grandfathered or OTC drugs, which are not protected by draconian patents.
Only India has that right, when it comes to the regulation of drugs! Patents DO NOT APPLY, when it comes to human health. Letter sent to TGA ( not by me ) Believe it or not, I got a reply from an email I sent to our local (Australian) TGA or Therapeutic Goods Administration which is the equivalent outfit to US’s FDA. I complained to them that their website was wrong in that it stated that “there was no effective treatment currently known to help people with COVID-19”.

Amongst all they responded with was this eye-opening bit: “The TGA would welcome an application to register ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 at any time; however, the TGA cannot compel a company to make such an application”

For the full context see way below:

My complaint was as here:

Report of a perceived breach of the Therapeutic Goods Act or questionable practices relating to therapeutic products

Submitted on Thursday, March 25, 2021 – 10:15pm

Contact details

Reporter’s name: MR PETER F BELL
Reporter’s email: [email protected]
Reporter’s telephone number: 0408623598
Reporter’s mobile phone number: 0408623598
Reporter’s fax number:

Details of problem

Date problem was encountered: Thu, 12/03/2020
Name of product of concern: ivermectin information
AUST R or AUST L number on product label, if known: N/A
Name of company/person supplying the product: TGA
Address of company/person, if known: Their place
Contact details of company/person, if known (telephone, fax website, etc.): You KNOW this
Details of problem – please be as specific as possible:

TGA consistently advertise on their website that there is no medicine that controls COVID-19.
This is wrong.
Ivermectin has proved to be very effective prophylactically, early treatment and excellent at controlling or suppressing cytoplasm storm.

Dear Mr Bell

Thank you for contacting the Australian Government Department of Health.

In order to provide you with an appropriate response I need to provide you some background information as to therapeutic goods regulation in Australia.

Australia has a robust regulatory process for prescription medicines administered by the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA), part of the Department of Health. For ivermectin to be registered on the Australian Register of Therapeutic Goods (ARTG) by the TGA to treat COVID-19, a sponsor (usually a pharmaceutical company) is required to submit a comprehensive developmental dossier application for the medicine. This dossier usually consists of clinical studies, non-clinical/toxicology studies, and other information. Once accepted by the TGA, a formal evaluation of the application is undertaken in multiple stages by technical experts.

The process involves obtaining further information and clarification from the sponsor, and may also include seeking advice from an independent committee of external experts prior to finalisation and decision under the Therapeutic Goods Act 1989. Decisions are based on whether the overall benefit of the medicine is considered to outweigh the potential risks of its use. If a decision is made to approve the medicine, it is included on the ARTG and can be lawfully supplied in Australia for the intended use.

The TGA would welcome an application to register ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 at any time; however, the TGA cannot compel a company to make such an application. Priority and provisional evaluation pathways are available depending on the nature of the application and the supporting data.

Ivermectin has not received regulatory approval in Australia or anywhere overseas for the treatment or prevention of COVID-19. More robust evidence is required before it could be considered a safe and effective treatment option.

The National COVID-19 Clinical Evidence Taskforce, consisting of a large group of independent Australian clinical experts, is continuously updating treatment recommendations based on the best available evidence. They are currently not recommending the use of ivermectin for COVID-19 treatment outside of properly conducted clinical trials with appropriate ethical approval. The living guidelines are available online at:

Yours sincerely

Regulatory Assistance Service
Regulatory Guidance, Assistance and SME Section

Regulatory Engagement, Education and Planning Branch

Phone: 1800 020 653 Fax: 02 6203 1605
Email: [email protected]

Therapeutic Goods Administration
Department of Health
PO Box 100
Woden ACT 2606 Australia

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Sprout Tuesday, 13 Jul 2021 at 10:14am

Most fully vaccinated people who get Covid delta infections are asymptomatic.

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tylerdurden Tuesday, 13 Jul 2021 at 10:31am

That’s our system Supafreak, depressing isn’t it?
If I guy like Norman Swan critically analyses the evidence and endorses its use then Ivermectin has got a chance. Otherwise, it’s the vaccine

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Supafreak Tuesday, 13 Jul 2021 at 11:01am

@tylerdurden , yes it’s the “ system “ , both ivermectin and vaccines are needed to get this under control now and in the future . Ivermectin has many patients testimonies about relieving them of long covid . Watch for a rush on new drug treatments from pig pharma under a EUA in the US later this year .

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Supafreak Tuesday, 13 Jul 2021 at 5:45pm

I got a reply from CSIRO. I asked them if ivermectin was on the list for the studies they will be conducting on repurposed drugs for covid 19 after receiving 1.7 million from the government. Here’s their response . Thank you for contacting CSIRO.
The FDA, the Australian Department of Health and the World Health Organization all say NOT to use Ivermectin outside of clinical trials.

That is not to say that they won’t change their mind if evidence of its efficacy and side effects are positive.

Much will depend on the University of Oxford study

Our MRFF $1.7M study remit is to evaluate FDA/TGA approved drugs and flag it upwards for human clinical trials. As such trials are already underway with Ivermectin it will not make sense to include it ex vivo screening.

CSIRO Enquiries Team