Do you like or hate Donald Trump, and why?

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dimitrios10 started the topic in Tuesday, 29 May 2018 at 5:10pm

I am curious if you guys like DonaldTrump, or do you hate him?

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sharkman commented Saturday, 8 Dec 2018 at 8:38am

AndyM , what is a right wing economic policy ?

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sharkman commented Saturday, 8 Dec 2018 at 9:12am

Mr Blob , is that better for you fragile paranoid mind?

Briebart seem to be your only source of your daily dialogue , which is a shame as there are a lot more right wing sites you could visit...a bit one dimensional Mr Blob, c'mon spice it up a bit for us!

Nationalism " But the definition of nationalism also includes “exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups.” This exclusionary aspect is not shared by patriotism." there I did the work for you ....

so when you gloat about Italy turning back Climate refugees by 80% and securing their borders....yeah I see that as nationalistic, Like Trump and the Attack on the USA by those Hondourans....what a joke!

Alan Jones now there's an upstanding bloke ,haha.....isn;t he about to lose is radio program because no-one is listening anymore to his nationalistic drivel, and the Obama's yeah spent a lot $'s tring to fix the mistakes of the republicans , as he inherited a basket case of an economy......and Trump has in 2 year added $2 .5 Trillion thru tax cuts and infrastructure , just to overheat the USA economy...and curry favor with voters , short term sugar fix , nearly run out now reality sinks in , Trump inherited the best performing economy in the world...and he's trashing it now ..

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sypkan commented Saturday, 8 Dec 2018 at 11:20am

"...And a good explanation off why all right wing commentary is immediately under suspicion of being, hypocritical, self-interested or just mind bogglingly naive.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/07/us-billionaires-ha..."

Except that the Koch brothers hate trump with a passion. And, are probably blowing millions actively campaigning against him right at this very moment. So not a real relevant example...

Not George guadianbot's finest work either. Seems like he's expanded one of his previously published paragraphs to become a feature piece. Giving a very one dimensional take on a big big problem, overlooking a hell of a lot of inconveniences in what should have been a good article.

Here's a good explanation why all left wing commentary is immediately under suspicion of being, hypocritical, self-interested or just mind bogglingly naive....

"...Many media figures have swallowed whole, without evidence, a conspiracy theory that Donald Trump became president by treasonously colluding with Russia to steal the 2016 election from its rightful owner, Hillary Clinton. The information operation that pushed this story turned out to have been secretly developed and funded by Hillary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee, a fact uncovered only through the tenacious digging of Republicans on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence in the face of major opposition from the media and Democrats on the committee.

The information operation has been fed to an increasingly compliant and credulous media with nearly no resistance. Fusion GPS is the Clinton- and Democrat-funded group that initiated the Russia collusion story, although it is now, according to congressional testimony, being spearheaded by the Democracy Integrity Project and funded to the tune of $50 million. The Washington Post quietly admitted, buried the news, really, that the operation was funded by George Soros."

http://thefederalist.com/2018/11/28/manafort-assange-drama-proves-media-...

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AndyM commented Saturday, 8 Dec 2018 at 11:54am

It's ok Sharkman , I'll just leave you to your ignorance.

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sharkman commented Saturday, 8 Dec 2018 at 12:02pm

AndyM , ignorance for asking what do you consider a right wing economic policy ,duh!

I suppose you are going to use France as an example....so please explain a left wing economic policy , a centrist policy , and a right wing......or is ignorance really in the eye of the beholder?

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sypkan commented Saturday, 8 Dec 2018 at 4:27pm

Interesting you mention the wings in france.

A staunchly left wing country, has a left wing president, voted in on a left wing agenda of addressing economic issues and climate change.

What the hell happened there?

https://lm.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2018%2F1...

I think the nyt might be missing something....

The tax is gone. The protestors aren't.

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AndyM commented Saturday, 8 Dec 2018 at 12:49pm

Sorry Sharkman, I'm a bit busy at the moment.

And it's not a matter of what "I believe", or "I consider" - the definitions are already out there are should be easily accessible for you.

You can start here:

"Neoliberalism is generally associated with policies like cutting trade tariffs and barriers. Its influence has liberalized the international movement of capital, and limited the power of trade unions. It’s broken up state-owned enterprises, sold off public assets and generally opened up our lives to dominance by market thinking."

https://theconversation.com/what-exactly-is-neoliberalism-84755

or here

•The benefits in terms of increased growth seem fairly difficult to establish when looking at a broad group of countries.­
•The costs in terms of increased inequality are prominent. Such costs epitomize the trade-off between the growth and equity effects of some aspects of the neoliberal agenda.­
•Increased inequality in turn hurts the level and sustainability of growth. Even if growth is the sole or main purpose of the neoliberal agenda, advocates of that agenda still need to pay attention to the distributional effects.­

https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2016/06/ostry.htm

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blindboy commented Saturday, 8 Dec 2018 at 1:42pm

sypkan, the facts about Trump will speak for themselves soon enough. You can castigate people for having left wing opinions but facts are apolitical. They just are. Anyone with an open mind and year 7 level literacy can access the facts that have been revealed do far in the various court cases being conducted against those associated with Trump. To dismiss these is pure bias. So what are you going to do? Stay stuck in an anachronistic paranoid mind set swearing up is down and black is white or accept that there is considerable evidence of criminal behaviour by Trump.

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sypkan commented Saturday, 8 Dec 2018 at 4:30pm

I'm not casigating anybody blindboy. I just think it's interesting what passes for 'left' these days, and how people see themselves along this contorting spectrum. Which is kind of what andym is on about.

Facts are not apolitical...anymore...

I agree the truth will eventually come out about trump, and to be honest, I don't give a shit which way it falls. The only thing that surprises me is how much money, resources, and infrastructure they have thrown at him and how little they've got.

Yeh he'll go down for some dodgy business shit. That's obvious for all to see. But that's a far far cry from collusion.

Most interesting how the narrative subtly changed from collusuon to criminal. Seemlessly swapping the charges as reality struck home.

If trump doesn't go down. That will be the only surprising development in this whole sordid ordeal.

And that'll be the thing that proves the democrats to be as incompetent and irrelevant as they currently appear to be.

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blindboy commented Saturday, 8 Dec 2018 at 3:17pm

Collusion is still very much on the agenda sypkan. Your suggestion that they have spent a lot and got very little is simply not sustainable. Look at the list of people already charged. Regardless of the ultimate findings about Trump himself, Mueller has already uncovered more than enough corruption to justify the investigation. And yes, if you suspect your electoral system has been perverted by the acts of an enemy state, you will be prepare to devote whatever resources are necessary to uncover the truth.

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blindboy commented Saturday, 8 Dec 2018 at 3:25pm

To avoid the risk of being shut down by Trump's stooge in the AG's position, Mueller has been including evidence against Trump in his filings in the cases against the others involved. Here are the latest revelations. End game now. Trump in check. Checkmate in three more moves.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/07/michael-cohen-trump-form...

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sypkan commented Saturday, 8 Dec 2018 at 4:33pm

you got something new blindboy?

I just hear the same old aspersions. Somewhat dwindling and underwhelming asspersions.

Yeh, do the investigation, but the narrative is building to some kind of crescendo. If it all peaks into a clintonesque shocking, but not surprising, nothingburger the democrats are gonna look pretty dumb...again...

Trump will be inconveniently economically entangled with russia, just like clinton is.

This is the manisfistations of contemporary globalisation. Manisfistations people are rightly questioning.

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AndyM commented Saturday, 8 Dec 2018 at 4:07pm

Or even this Sharkman.

https://www.diffen.com/difference/Left_Wing_vs_Right_Wing

It's got a table so you can compare left wing and right wing philosophies side-by side...

Very U.S.-centric but it's something.

Fuck I'm good to you ;)

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AndyM commented Saturday, 8 Dec 2018 at 4:11pm

Agreed Syppo, facts are not facts in a post-truth world and the contagion is across the political spectrum.

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blindboy commented Saturday, 8 Dec 2018 at 4:51pm

Aaaah yes, the post-truth world! Just a temporary derangement of our collective senses. Down the rabbit hole with Don! But truth has a way of coming back to bite its deniers firmly on the arse. A nothing burger? Trump needs to get ready for a three course meal of shit pie.

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sypkan commented Saturday, 8 Dec 2018 at 5:01pm

Well come on blindboy, spill the beans...

What's the three course meal?

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sypkan commented Saturday, 8 Dec 2018 at 5:12pm

and when I say nothingbuger I don't mean nothing significant.

I just mean a damming and disgusting trail of dodgy deeds and deals.

Much like clinton's nothingburgers

As I said, jusr contemporary globalisation really

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blindboy commented Saturday, 8 Dec 2018 at 5:30pm

Three course meal?
Entree: Perverting the course of justice by instructing Cohen and others to lie under oath
Main course: Collusion with Russia to influence the election.
Desert: Criminal breach of campaign finance laws by conspiring to pay off Stormy Daniels.

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sypkan commented Saturday, 8 Dec 2018 at 5:48pm

...so nothing new then.

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blindboy commented Saturday, 8 Dec 2018 at 7:12pm

Except that in today's filings there are sworn statements incriminating Trump for entree and desert. The chef is still working in the main course but it is looking spectacular.

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Blob commented Monday, 10 Dec 2018 at 10:48pm

Sharkman

'Mr Blob , is that better for you fragile paranoid mind?'

Blah blah blah.

Are you pretending to be dumb?
I doubt it.
This is the real you huh?.

Calling out your hypocrisy isn't evidence of fragility.
....it's pointing out your hypocrisy.
.....and I enjoy a bit of combative argument.

Your clumsy attempts at provoking me were transparent from the start, I tried ignoring it .....but if you really want mean Blob I'll see what I can do

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Blob commented Monday, 10 Dec 2018 at 10:47pm

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'Briebart seem to be your only source of your daily dialogue , which is a shame as there are a lot more right wing sites you could visit...a bit one dimensional Mr Blob, c'mon spice it up a bit for us!'

Pay attention.....already covered.
If you are so smart you will have no trouble dispatching with the content of an article with your superior knowledge.
You never do.
Why?......cause there are actual sharks with a higher IQ than you.
Don't be fragile now....

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Blob commented Monday, 10 Dec 2018 at 10:51pm

Sharkman

'Nationalism " But the definition of nationalism also includes “exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups.” This exclusionary aspect is not shared by patriotism." there I did the work'

What a dumb quote. I'm losing brain cells just engaging with you.
Isn't your google working?
Patriotism would usually emphasise one's own country's qualities and interests over other countries or groups Sharkman.
I'd hate to see you being lazy...

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Blob commented Monday, 10 Dec 2018 at 10:54pm

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'....so when you gloat about Italy turning back Climate refugees by 80% and securing their borders....yeah I see that as nationalistic, Like Trump and the Attack on the USA by those Hondurans..'

Idiotic statement.
They're not climate refugees......did you make that up all by yourself?.

Of course the great majority of sensible adults in Australia, Italy and the US think your sort of stupid would ruin any first world country.
Are you putting any climate refugees up at your place legend?.

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Blob commented Monday, 10 Dec 2018 at 10:43pm

Sharkman

'No one listens to Alan Jones haha'
That's right....they all listen to Sharkman.

'Trump is increasing debt....'
How much did national debt rise on Obama's watch legend?'
Hint.....it's already covered in the comments.

Since you couldn't even justify your use of 'Nationalism' as an applicable pejorative most of your recent comments are meaningless.
Say something that means something, otherwise I'm out.

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blindboy commented Tuesday, 11 Dec 2018 at 7:06am

Case notes: Talks to himself when no-one else is around. Has delusions about his own capacities. Does not relate well to others. Has difficulty distinguishing reality from fantasy. Should seek immediate professional help.

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sypkan commented Tuesday, 11 Dec 2018 at 10:14am

Good onya blob!

I reckon you guys are most unfair to the blob. He really hasn't said anything remotely radical or reprehensible. Pretty stanfard views really.

I also reckon he is actually pretty invaluable, ...if you guys could open your minds a bit. Whilst his views are relatively stock standard conservative, he gives a good insight into the modern phenomenon of the rebirthing of conservatism through the young(ish) people heading that way. Whilst you might loathe the alt- right and brietbart it is attractive to a lot of people for a reason....

That insight is most valuble I think... invaluable even...I would've thought....

Tell me blob - I'm listening and interested - What change you from the hard left upbringing position it seems you grew up in to your current conservative perspective?

And for what it's worth. Blob ain't the one spewing insults and name calling, and dare I say, he ain't the one spewing hate. That's all coming from his detractors. As he astutely points out....oh the hypocrisy of the left!

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sypkan commented Tuesday, 11 Dec 2018 at 11:09am

And, a little advice for blob...

You really could try a little harder re. your referencing. Whilst I'm fine with brietbart, ie. It's no more fake news in my book than many other sites. I do think it is a totally bias partisan propaganda machine, not a great source to garner credibility and support. Much like the new york times and Washington post.

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blindboy commented Tuesday, 11 Dec 2018 at 11:45am

sypkan, take a closer look at his posts and then tell us he isn't using insults and name calling. He came on here and acted as a disrespectful provocateur, throwing out accusations about people's beliefs and changing the subject when counter arguments were given. Assuming he is not paid by someone to do this across a range of sites, and his posting pattern suggests that is possible, and that he is not a chat bot, then he is a shallow ideologue who refuses to accept anything beyond the pre-digested crap fed to him by Breitbart. If he gave some respect, stuck to the point under discussion and eased up on the ideology, then he might have something to contribute, but I don't see that happening.

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abc-od commented Tuesday, 11 Dec 2018 at 11:55am

Same guy who lamented Alex Jones being silneced, yeah?

Not radical or reprehensible. Parents of Sandy Hook victims disagree.

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happyasS commented Tuesday, 11 Dec 2018 at 2:02pm

Blob gets a B+ for comprehension. Just gotta work on his speech impediment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3Z2MP8vMWU

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Blob commented Tuesday, 11 Dec 2018 at 4:49pm

Blindboy

I pointed out your errors - with some mockery, (you started it) till you had a mental fart.
Now you beg swellnet to ignore me but can't resist taking dumb and pointless shots yourself.
Stick to facts .......and get over yourself.

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Blob commented Tuesday, 11 Dec 2018 at 6:26pm

Sypkan

What turned me?
Reading and observing and thinking independently.
I grew up around 'come the revolution he'll be the first up against the wall' attitudes.
I read modern history and found it wasn't just words.
I was appalled by the blind faith, doctrinaire certainty of juvenile Marxists.
I see the same dangerous blind faith here.
I did my own reading and found heroes where The Left saw villains, and villains where they saw heroes.
.... Winston Churchill for example.
I realised that the Left's tendency to blindly supporting the underdog means often supporting mongrels.
I understood the sensible hatred of Fascism, but not the inexplicable romantic longing for fascist communism.
Leftist economics has failed everywhere.
I couldn't ignore the Left's tendency to sheep like thinking, bullying and myth making.
I lost respect for lefties who talk the talk but are moral toads in their personal life.
I saw the Labor party go from a workers party to a party for interest groups in favour of radical social re-engineering.
I realised that, unlike my lefty freinds, I had great respect for the majority of what my grandparents generation achieved and believed, and for the wisdom of ageless truisms.
Things the Left trashes.
....so I reckon money doesn't grow on trees, and Thatcher was right about the problem of Socialism being the running out of other people's money.
I decided that, on balance, we should be very proud of our country and its achievements....not ashamed.....and resist what would destroy that legacy.
I'm more interested in what is said than how or by whom.
.....so I don't reject it just cause Pauline Hanson or Cory Bernardi or Breitbart said it.
I've seen the negative effects of multi culturalism and destructive welfare.
Reading Ayan Hirsi Ali, Dennis Prager, Thomas Sowell, Ben Shapiro, Ann Coulter, Andrew Breitbart, Mark Steyne, Matt Walsh, Andrew Klaven etc. certainly sharpened my contempt for the Left, but the bullying vindictiveness of the Progressive elites and their media conspiracy really cemented my antagonism.
Brett Kavanaugh.....need I say more?.

And on Breitbart, as I've said, it came about as a needed oppositional voice in a progressive closed shop, and it does that well enough.
I don't complain every time someone links the lying New York Times or Wapo.
Funny how Swelleft has contempt for Breitbart but Blindboy had no idea Obama separated children at the border, and Stunet wanted quotes of Democrats favouring open borders.
I'm not the one with blinkers here.
I find the information sources I read equip me well enough to deal with the expert sooks easily.
....and it looks so weak when Swelleft always shoots the messenger.

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sypkan commented Tuesday, 11 Dec 2018 at 8:59pm

I must apologise in advance blindboy (and in arrears) because it must seem I take great pleasure in picking you apart. I don't really, I don't at all actually. I just get frustrated at the left's aloofness, and the impression they give, that their word is to be taken as gospel and no debate will be entered into.

Unfortunately for you, you seem to fill that role on here. Kudos to you for your input and energy, because, at the end of the day I appreciate your efforts. All the bullshit aside, I think you're quite reasonable in your opinions, with the exception of your unwavering support for high immigration that is..... sorry couldn't resist....

However, I do think you and blob could both quite easily fall into the category of 'idealogue', and you really do give as good as you get regarding name calling and the defaulting to the disrespectful when people don't align with your worldview. A bit same same I reckon.

I get it, most if my mates are proud atheists, and abhor anything to do with Christian influence, I was the same tbh, but spending time with people of many faiths at my work, and travelling Indonesia amongst other places, has shown me faith means many things to many people. Sometimes bad, sometimes really bad, but generally good. It's also shown me that it's actually all the same shit for everyone, even for staunch atheists.

While Christianity might seem a stubborn roadblock to your particular brand of progressivism, at the end of the day, you can only work with the people you've got, which is Christians in a majority Christian country like oz. And the great unwashed if you claim to be 'the party of the workers'.

And, really blindboy, the Russian bot line? That's getting a bit old. Do you really think there is a blobbot out there in a dark warehouse in Moscow? Or is it just an easy way to disparage his opinions?

abc-od. Alex Jones.

I'd lament him being silenced too!

Anyone who believes in free speech should. But it appears 'the left' don't believe in free speech anymore, because they've silenced a heap of people, not least being 'diamond and silk'. I don't agree with a lot these ladies say, but they are quite funny, and personable. When two little bit funny, little bit crazy chubby chicks are seen as 'dangerous', you know someone has lost the plot,... and it ain't the crazy chubbies!

The only danger in these two nice chubby black chicks, is them undermining the left's obsession with identity politics, they simply don't fit the mould of indoctrination. Inconvenient truth that one...obviously infuriatingly inconvenient.

And these are not isolated cases. Mainstream social media across the board are censoring all sorts voices. I really don't see what they hope to gain from this. Aside from pissing people off, really really pissing people off! And confirming the already somewhat justified perception that the left have arguments so weak they wiil do anything to avoid them being challenged. Because that's the impression I get if someone cannot, will not, and/or flat out refuses to defend their case.

Calls for censoring the internet are dumb, it's like that old sideshow game with the mallet and shark heads that keep popping up, faster and faster. You can't win, and you look dumb in the process.

Not unless you take serious measures that is. But serious measures would require some serious matters, there's a heap you could choose on the internet. But no, we're censoring inconvenient humour. Dangerous door to open that one.

So unless blob flat out supports the sandy hook conspiracy ridiculousness from alex jones, I stand by nothing 'radical or reprehensible'.

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sypkan commented Tuesday, 11 Dec 2018 at 7:54pm

Thanks for the comprehensive reply blob. Interesting.

Amazing I can still call myself left and agree with 80% of your observations. Makes you wonder...

I think your view of the left and economy is so simplistic it's dumb. But much of the rest is pretty fair...I reckon....

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blindboy commented Tuesday, 11 Dec 2018 at 9:15pm

Total free speech has never existed sypkan. You will be arrested anywhere in the world for crying "Fire" in a crowded nightclub. I am comfortable with laws which limit hate speech and racist bullshit. It is the social equivalent of crying "Fire". I am not aware of any censorship in Australia that has restricted reasonable opinion. If you think we should allow white supremacists to spread their toxic bullshit, sorry but I think that is foolish on many levels.
I don't think I am particularly ideological. I think my views are mainly pragmatic and related to good governance. The problem with most right wing views is that they are unsustainable. The right has dominated economic policy for decades now. Over that period standards of corporate governance have collapsed and inequality has become ever greater. At the same time as corporate profits have risen, wages have stagnated or fallen in real terms and employment conditions have become more and more exploitative. Environmental policies have been catastrophic, not only in terms of climate change but also in land management, water usage and quality. This has been orchestrated in the US and, to a lesser extent in other western countries, by billionaires whose wealth comes from the fossil fuel industry. They have used their wealth to intimidate politicians, distort public debate on critical issues and create "think tanks" , "institutes" and "journals" to pump out misinformation. The left has nowhere near the same degree of funding to push its ideas and generally does not lie and distort in the same way as the right wing mouthpieces.

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sypkan commented Tuesday, 11 Dec 2018 at 9:58pm

I'm not comfortable when germaine greer cannot give a lecture at a university.

I'm also not comfortable when milo yiannopolous cannot give a speach at a university.

Him being a fuckwit is besides the point.

Who gets to define what's 'hate speech'?

It's getting real grey and murky.

The various platforms banning people are way too trigger happy of late for my liking.

And the transgender thing...getting way out of control...

Germaine greer could go down for 'hate speech' in certain jurisdictions

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blindboy commented Tuesday, 11 Dec 2018 at 10:28pm

Well if you define free speech as the ability to lie, deceive and promote activities such as paedophilia, then you probably belong in the libertarian camp which is extremely difficult to justify, even by self-interest since it ends up as the war of each against each in which there are no winners.

I am not sure why you are concerned about transgender individuals. Do you have any understanding of the biology of sex and gender? Can you distinguish between the terms? If not, largely for your own benefit, I would suggest you refrain from comment about those issues. Of course you are entitled to your own opinion but, in the current climate, people who have suffered decades of intolerance have actually become quite open about their intolerance of intolerance.

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AndyM commented Wednesday, 12 Dec 2018 at 1:01am

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sypkan commented Wednesday, 12 Dec 2018 at 6:43am

I have no issue with transgender individuals, and I probably know a bit more about it than your average joe.

But when the state, as in canada and the uk, introduce enforeable laws where one must refer to a certain individual as 'her' or 'miss' despite their biology, we are going down a dangerous road of thought police.

I can show respect without obsessing over pronouns.

And when the whole 'queer theory' thing completely throws biology out of the window, and just makes shit up to serve a purpose, I lose all respect. I'm surprised you dont have questions considering the way you spruik the merits of science.

Libertarianism is shit. But the opposite is shitter.

Besides I wasn't talking about paedophilia. I was talking about two humourous black chicks. Banned because they support donald trump. And that is the one and only reason they were banned, because they are too cute and polite to be banned for anything else.

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blindboy commented Wednesday, 12 Dec 2018 at 8:06am

Well actually you have absolutely no right to "have a problem" with transgender individuals and the phrase "despite their biology" suggests to me that you probably know less than you think. Presumably you would be offended if people started referring to you with the incorrect pronoun so why should they put up with it?
Queer theory is largely concerned with the varieties of human sexual activity and so is a completely legitimate study and far more valuable than less controversial work in other fields.
One of the things that always amazes me in discussing these issues is the obsessional interest of some straight individuals in the sexuality of other people. I mean why is it so important to you that you would bring it up here. Do you really care that much about what type of genitalia people have under their clothes or how they see themselves or how they express their sexualityin the privacy of their own homes?
The greatest problem in this whole area is the aggressiveness and violent behaviour of straight men. Toxic masculinity with its sense of power and privilege causes domestic violence, sexual assaults and child abuse. Why not discuss that?

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sypkan commented Wednesday, 12 Dec 2018 at 8:47am

a bit presumtuous there blindboy...about a lot of things...

If you're going to quote me, at least get it right. Semantics and pedantics, but your portrayal sounded worse.

I really don't give a shit about anybody's genitals and where they put them. What I care about is the totalitarian tendencies of the left telling everyone how to talk and think.

And that is why I bring it up here. It was a key component of the clinton campaign. Hence bernie sanders saying ".....people are sick and tied of hearing about peoples bathrooms". Or something to that effect. It is a clear sign and culmination of the left's obsession with identity politics, that is why I bring it up here.

And fwiw I really don't care when people call me a girl. But that's just me.

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sypkan commented Wednesday, 12 Dec 2018 at 8:47am

Homosexuals are like cyclists, people really don't care what you do on the weekend. We just wish you'd stop telling everyone.

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happyasS commented Wednesday, 12 Dec 2018 at 9:06am

They don't 'tell' everyone sypkan. I work with a number of gay, and transgender folk and find they are very modest on the whole.

Regardless of preferrence... gay, straight, cyclist, or ear peircer, your always going to find a small selection that are nutty when it comes to overt display of it.....Live with it though.

I agree with you though on the law. It has no place in this Ms, MX stuff. Leave it to people to pull others into place. I have done it. Your mates quickly shut up when you pull them into place.

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blindboy commented Wednesday, 12 Dec 2018 at 9:24am

Totalitarian? Telling people what to say and think? No, just legislating to protect vulnerable people from hate speech, discrimination and violence. Just a little history here. Consider that well into the 1980s "poofter bashing" was a well established local sport in many areas and that numerous gay murders were ignored or treated as suicide by the police. Put yourself in that position. If you have any sense you are going to protect yourself and your community by pushing as far back the other way as you can. You will make your fight loud and public, not out of attention seeking but to put the issues out there where they would be harder for authorities to ignore.
Say what you like now sypkan, you raised the issue of transgender individuals ...... "the transgender thing getting way out of control". Please expand on your concerns because it sounds a lot like a dog whistle to me.

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sypkan commented Wednesday, 12 Dec 2018 at 9:44am

Good onya happyas. I know not all gay people are in your face. Some are actually put off by this overtness, and they say so. It was a joke.

Legislating what pronoun you MUST call someone is a dangerous road blindboy. As happyas says "...leave it to the people".

I think the transgender bathroom thing in primary schools is a step too far. The kids literally don't know if they're arther or martha, transgender or not, and they're involved in adult debates about stuff they cannot possibly understand.

Now kids are having hornone therapies before they've even developed. A great victory for the pharmaceutical companies, not sure about anyone else.

Transgenderism is terribly complicated. Physically and psychologically. Sometimes one, sometimes both. Queer theory is a load of crap to push an agenda. It is contradictory to itself, or at least it's advocates are.

The poofter bashing thing is disgraceful. However the general population were light years ahead of the cops at that time. So I see that as a major blight on the police force rather than society as a whole.

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Blob commented Wednesday, 12 Dec 2018 at 11:06am

Sypkan

I'm wondering if the worst of Swelleft descriptions of Trump can be classed as 'hate speech'
...or if Bettina Arndt talking about the fake rape crisis in uni's should need riot squad protection
....I'm not really wondering.
The blind hypocrisy here is galling.

You say..
'I think your view of the left and economy is so simplistic it's dumb. But much of the rest is pretty fair...I reckon....'

Defining The Left or Socialism is like saying 'how long is a piece of string', so 'simplistic' is, for me, a starting point that never progresses because it's never really challenged.

Name me a truly socialist, truly successful economy.

Swelleft arguments using 'trickle down' and wealth inequality objections are always deftly missing the point.
The Left decry inequality but are always focussing on a mythical preferred economic utopia that doesn't rely on free markets but on markets controlled by socialism....the long string.

Western governments can use socialistic devices to achieve preferable (to some) wealth outcomes, but these are manipulations confined within capitalist systems and are financed totally by capitalist dollars.
There is a big difference between regulation/management and Revolution.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I have read that transfer payments here now already take 40% of government revenue. We are going into enormous debt while giving money away.
Add the cost of government to this small 's' socialism and our economy is being burdened to a point that may cause it to break.
...but that would be good, because then swellefties could have the beautiful big 'S' socialism they always wanted.
Maybe I'm dumb to worry......

All the Left talk about is slicing up other people's booty while trying to undermine the means by which wealth is created.........in between building paywalls, surf trips to exotic locations, visiting their businesses in Cali a few times a year and international goat appreciation tours that is....
.......Chardonnay anybody?.

Why don't we make cars here anymore?. Union greed and government stupidity.
We can hardly make a pair of shoes....
Why not trust big business and the greens and close down coal mines and our last oil refineries?.
Then if we ever find ourselves at war or economic crisis we would have about 30 days of fuel till we croak.
No problem, we can have wind farms.
Call me dumb for seeing common sense as simple, but history will show that ignoring reality leads to disaster every time.

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happyasS commented Wednesday, 12 Dec 2018 at 10:50am

If it's in the workplace them its up to the employer to stamp on gender title harassment. Harassment laws already exist. Laws like this won't change a bad culture in a workplace.

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blindboy commented Wednesday, 12 Dec 2018 at 10:55am

So, in terms of a very difficult issue, you know better than the parents, the child themself and the medical specialists? Probably not. How about minding your own business? Is that an option? I mean are you dealing with this situation on your family at the moment?

Laurie McGinness

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Blob commented Wednesday, 12 Dec 2018 at 1:39pm

'So, in terms of a very difficult issue, you know better than the parents, the child themself and the medical specialists? Probably not. How about minding your own business? '

Child abuse is my business.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/teachers-must-keep-childs-transgenderi...

Huge spike in gender confused children since progressives made trans their latest social re engineering crusade.
Left to themselves and almost all children get over it.
Start them on blockers and they don't.
Is it 60% of trans that attempt suicide?