Do you like or hate Donald Trump, and why?

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dimitrios10 started the topic in Tuesday, 29 May 2018 at 5:10pm

I am curious if you guys like DonaldTrump, or do you hate him?

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Blowin commented Saturday, 20 Apr 2019 at 5:21pm

Give me cut and paste over masturbatory 3rd grade level poetry any day.

PS Blindboy if you made a bet then pay the man. No excuses.

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blindboy commented Saturday, 20 Apr 2019 at 6:51pm

Ha ha that was first rate doggerel! What bet Blowhard?

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sypkan commented Saturday, 20 Apr 2019 at 8:21pm

What bet? Seriously? You're pulling that old chestnut?

And I thought you were an honourable man...

A somewhat myopic, non compromising, little bit bitter twisted man, but nonetheless honourable...

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blindboy commented Saturday, 20 Apr 2019 at 8:23pm

Remind me, I'm a busy man. If I made the bet and have lost it fairly I will forward the money to Ben or Stu and they can pass it on.

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sypkan commented Saturday, 20 Apr 2019 at 8:50pm

The bet was you, me. Trump will go down for collusion or not. Winner gets $100 to the charity of their choice.

You can put $100 in the catholic church collection tin for me

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sypkan commented Saturday, 20 Apr 2019 at 8:55pm

I'm not that mean, the red shield appeal will do, or some homeless charity the catholic church runs.

Or don't do it, I don't care, but I was happy to pay to your dodgy charity. In fact I expected to.

Whether trump colluded or not I expected him to go down, such is the nature of our current politics...

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blindboy commented Saturday, 20 Apr 2019 at 9:01pm

St. Vincent de Paul OK? I will pay up on the condition that you donate the same amount to GetUp if he does go down, which is still very much a possibility. Mueller did not exonerate him on collusion. He only stated he did not find any evidence of it. Given that he uncovered encrypted and deleted traffic between people in his campaign and various Putin cronies and that numerous witnesses took their 5th amendment right to silence, it ain't over yet.

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sypkan commented Saturday, 20 Apr 2019 at 9:08pm

Really Get Up?

FFS that's not a charity! - that's a labor money pit

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sypkan commented Saturday, 20 Apr 2019 at 9:14pm

I was going to say trump's 2020 campaign, but that's just too cruel - and not a charity! Just like Get Up isn't. And now you pull out Get Up on me!

Show some fucking charitability with your charity

It's good to be charitable

Partisan rubbish...not so good...

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blindboy commented Saturday, 20 Apr 2019 at 9:15pm

Ha ha you started it with the Catholic Church! I was just responding in kind. Save The Children is good.

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sypkan commented Saturday, 20 Apr 2019 at 9:23pm

Deal

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sypkan commented Saturday, 20 Apr 2019 at 9:25pm

Deal

Good onya

But I would've thought they're a bit dodgy for you with recent revelations....

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blindboy commented Sunday, 21 Apr 2019 at 12:56pm

OK I will go with Save The Children

Dear .............,

Thank you for your generous donation of $100.00 to Save the Children.

You are helping to create brighter futures for children.

Please see your official tax receipt below. We will be in touch to let you know how your support is changing children's lives. If you wish to contact us at any time you can do so by contacting us on 1800 76 00 11 or emailing [email protected].

With many thanks,

Lauren Drewett
Supporter Care Manager

Your receipt:

Payment Details

Payment Date: 21/04/2019
Receipt No: 31463465
Amount: $100.00
For: Most Urgent Need

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AndyM commented Sunday, 21 Apr 2019 at 1:20pm

Good on you BB.

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Blowin commented Sunday, 21 Apr 2019 at 1:43pm

Good on you !

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blindboy commented Sunday, 21 Apr 2019 at 5:39pm

The Things A President Forgets!

He did not remember learning about a Trump Tower meeting held in June 2016 by his son, son-in-law and campaign chairman with visiting Russians promising “dirt” on Hillary Clinton from the Russian government.

He did not remember being told in advance of Russian hacking of Democratic emails before the stolen messages were posted online.

He did not remember any particular conversations with Roger J. Stone Jr., a longtime adviser, during the last months of the campaign, much less discussions with him about WikiLeaks.

He did not remember discussing a possible trip to Russia to promote a proposed tower project in Moscow.

He did not remember an invitation from Russia’s deputy prime minister to attend an economic forum in St. Petersburg.

Not Guilty……but definitely not innocent!

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sypkan commented Sunday, 21 Apr 2019 at 9:55pm

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sypkan commented Sunday, 21 Apr 2019 at 9:54pm

Pretty sure hilary clinton has her own rather long list of...'I do not recall'

What's good for the goose is good for the head goose...

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GuySmiley commented Monday, 22 Apr 2019 at 6:55am

Didn't Bush junior and Cheney "lose" many millions of emails, like 22 million of them sent and received on private servers .... What's good for the goose is good for the head goose... but that doesn't fit the narrative does it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy

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sypkan commented Monday, 22 Apr 2019 at 12:01pm

I dunno guysmiley, depends what narrative you're pushing....

All the usual papers are pushing something along the lines of....'How Did We End Up With This Man In the Whitehouse?', because he'd answered 'I do not recall' to a heap of key questions.

Well, the answer is pretty bloody obvious....

Hilary Clinton also answered, to a heap of fundamental key questions ..."I do not recall", and that was that...end of story

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/02/the-many-thing...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/hillary-clinton-cant-recall-in-21-of-25-an...

This shit should've been nipped in the bud a long time ago, for all. Including the fuckwits at the aussie banking royal commision ..."I do not recall"....ppffftttt

No accountability...for any of them

And the NYT have the audacity to ask 'How Did We End Up With This Man In the Whitehouse?'

I got nothing,

given what just happened

I got absolutely nothing...flabbarghasted..

absolutelyfuckingflabbaghasted

They're delusional beyond belief

As are their readers, commenting 'thank you, you're wonderful..."

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Blowin commented Monday, 22 Apr 2019 at 1:30pm

They ended up with Trump in the Whitehouse cause crooked Hilary said it was a choice between her or no one as opposition to the orange comb-over.

The world should be thanking whoever exposed those emails , not berating them.

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truebluebasher commented Wednesday, 24 Apr 2019 at 9:37pm

I think the Golan Heights new blast-thru McDonald's is named after Trump?
Possibly! Israeli PM means to name next razor wired rampart-'Trump foreclosure C11'
Good question for US Austrian Ambassador Big Artie Jnr at Lake Burley Campbell...

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indo-dreaming commented Sunday, 5 May 2019 at 6:18pm

@Blindboy BTW. This popped up in my Youtube feed for some reason, i thought you might like it :D

For further reference and common sense.

General Social issues: Rita Panahi & Lauren Southern
Indigenous issues: Jacinta Price and Anthony Dillion
Gender: Debra Soh.
Islam: Armin Navabi & Brigitte Gabriel
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Blowin commented Sunday, 5 May 2019 at 6:27pm

Two minutes to midnight !

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indo-dreaming commented Sunday, 5 May 2019 at 7:06pm

This one is good for a laugh..some of it is gold.

Kim Jong Un at 1:00 is classic, you couldn't scrip some of this shit.

For further reference and common sense.

General Social issues: Rita Panahi & Lauren Southern
Indigenous issues: Jacinta Price and Anthony Dillion
Gender: Debra Soh.
Islam: Armin Navabi & Brigitte Gabriel
Population: Dick Smith

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indo-dreaming commented Sunday, 5 May 2019 at 7:18pm

Had some even better more awkward moments in 2017

For further reference and common sense.

General Social issues: Rita Panahi & Lauren Southern
Indigenous issues: Jacinta Price and Anthony Dillion
Gender: Debra Soh.
Islam: Armin Navabi & Brigitte Gabriel
Population: Dick Smith

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velocityjohnno commented Monday, 6 May 2019 at 11:09pm

Two Trump tweets and Dow futures down 480, Shanghai closed 7% down, billions taken off market values worldwide.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 14 May 2019 at 12:29pm

Go Trump !

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/trump-has-china-on-the-defensive-20190...

Trying to breathe life back into US manufacturing and self sufficiency.

Waiting for the apologies from those who said Trump’s statements to do as much were a lie.

He’s walking the walk , people.

He’s also dealing neoliberalism and globalisation the blows they deserve whilst also signaling the decline of the environmentally ruinous flood of cheap consumer goods from China.

Best president in 50 years.

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AndyM commented Tuesday, 14 May 2019 at 12:44pm

"US President Donald Trump has shaken the foundations of global trade, slapping steep tariffs on billions of dollars' worth of goods from the EU, Canada, Mexico and China."

I think if the foundations of global trade are so fragile, maybe they need a bit of a shake up.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-43512098

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sharkman commented Wednesday, 15 May 2019 at 3:47am

great trolling , here in the USA at the moment , and they are just starting to get it , that it's not China that pays the tariffs , it's the american people , unemployment is at 3.6% , there are not enough people out of work to create industry's in the USA to replace Chinese products , Trump just had to subsidize American farmers $15 b , as they are now too expensive for China , so their crops are rotting......USA cannot win against China same as Australia , as they have us by the balls as our biggest importer they could send us back to being a banana republic in 24 hrs if they just stopped all Australian imports...duh!

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sharkman commented Wednesday, 15 May 2019 at 3:53am

Andy be careful what you wish for,""US President Donald Trump has shaken the foundations of global trade, slapping steep tariffs on billions of dollars' worth of goods from the EU, Canada, Mexico and China."

I think if the foundations of global trade are so fragile, maybe they need a bit of a shake up.

The shake up will be a Global recession/ depression or as a lot of economists are saying a Hyper Recession...as there is no QE or lowering interest rates to combat a recession , next one will be a long one...Trump is playing with fire , but he doesn't give fuck about anyone else ,as narcissists do!

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Blowin commented Friday, 17 May 2019 at 7:33pm
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Westofthelake commented Friday, 17 May 2019 at 8:51pm

Interesting, sorta.

"Do I agree with Trump on tax policy? No. Do I agree with Trump on social policy? No. Do I agree with Trump’s wall? No. Do I agree on anything Donald Trump does? Very little."

Errr, Tariff war?

It appears that the tariff costs are passed onto the US consumer.
http://time.com/5587197/trump-china-trade-war-cost-families/?amp=true

From the comments section, another perspective,

"it is fire-breathing dictatorship intent on stealing the production base of every developed nation, and it has damn nearly succeeded. Until Donald Trump”

"Aided and abetted at every turn by businessmen in west, including Trump, who manufactured his tacky garbage there without a second thought. China is by no means an angel, but lets not discount the corporate demand for their cheaper labour and the corrupt US lobbying system that drove policy and trade positions.

There’s more than enough greed to go around in this situation. There’s also no reason to assume that in this area alone Trump’s motivations are about anything other than Trump."

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blindboy commented Friday, 17 May 2019 at 8:57pm
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Blowin commented Saturday, 18 May 2019 at 8:30am

You’re spot on there , BB. I’ve got to keep reassessing my perception of you.

No doubt you are aware that China has made its economic growth partly because of the amazing array of trade restrictions it applies to imports ? It actually has more trade restrictions and tariffs than every other country in the WTO . But when Trump does it .....bad,

Big fan of the TPP were you ? Ever think that the IMF might have a barrow to push ? Yeah , you know the IMF , they’ve been one of the mst powerful engines behind the global adoption of neoliberalism.

Did you like their description of the TPP ?

“It would have strengthened labor and environmental standards, established a new dispute-resolution mechanism, and created a framework for managing e-commerce, cyber security, intellectual-property rights, data mobility, and more.”

Particularly when they described a situation whereby any multinational corporations which doesn’t like a decision by a sovereign government can take a country to an international court and sue them . Think the Australian government having to spend millions defending the plain packaging on cigarettes.

And everything else in the gushing paragraph describing the TPP is circumvented by the ISDS clause. “ strengthened labour and environmental laws” ......only if they don’t inconvenience Phillip Morris or Chevron.

The TPP isn’t about increasing protections for workers or the environment, it’s about enabling corporations to ignore inconvenient national jurisdictions in their global search for the cheapest labour , most lax environmental conditions , most disempowered communities and biggest markets .

It’d be easy to write your desire to post this link as yet another example of you as the ultimate Fake Left exponent, but it’s more likely that you didn’t really understand it and you just saw someone saying Trump is bad and got overexcited.

PS - And exactly how well is the Japanese economy flourishing due to the TPP , compared to the US which avoided it ?

I’d suggest being a little bit more apolitical when considering the decisions a country makes regarding its future, but I don’t thnk your dislike of Trump is political. It’s irrational.

PPS BB , while we are marvelling at the proclivities of fools , I just read that 800,000 new homes will be required in NSW by 2023 to accommodate the artificially sustained population growth .

EIGHT HUNDRED THOUSAND !

Tell me again how that won’t affect the environment.

Or using Blindby’s preferred housing of higher density, this is what our environment will soon look like :

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Blowin commented Saturday, 18 May 2019 at 5:14am

Westof .

I think Trump LOVES the role of being the people’s champion and that he truly wants the US to maintain its role as the world’s superpower. Pride is involved.

As long as it doesn’t interfere with his personal interests.

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indo-dreaming commented Saturday, 18 May 2019 at 8:18am

Interesting observation that this thread is kind of a reflection of views in America (or what I've been told)

If you go back to the start of this thread when Trump got in we were all WTF and all judging him on his character because he is often rude obnoxious, arrogant and we didn't trust him to be able to be president and we even found the thought to even be scary for the world in general.

Two years or so on, some of us here are obviously still judging his ability as president on his character.

But some of us are now looking at what he can actually do and achieved and going okay, he is still rude obnoxious, arrogant, but he is actually doing a decent job even the fear factor has almost completely disappeared.

I was asking an American friend the other day what people were thinking about him now over there, and he said the same thing in America he still obviously has the haters that really hate him with a passion but others that were not too sure (i guess fence sitters) are going actually he is doing a decent job and turning out to be a good president..

If this continues next election is going to be really interesting.

For further reference and common sense.

General Social issues: Rita Panahi & Lauren Southern
Indigenous issues: Jacinta Price and Anthony Dillion
Gender: Debra Soh.
Islam: Armin Navabi & Brigitte Gabriel
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zenagain commented Saturday, 18 May 2019 at 8:30am

I reckon Sportsbet will pay out early on that one too Indo- Trump will romp it in.

(of course with the help of the Russians)

Watashi wa metabo oyagi desu.

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sharkman commented Saturday, 18 May 2019 at 8:59am

Indo , I just got back from SoCal , and in a sense you are right , it looks like the US economy is doing really well , so people are quick to look at good GDP figures and a general feeling that all is good , and going well , the problem is it'sa false economy at the moment propped up by massive borrowing again/still , so that's the economy/$'s pretty Westernized short term thinking.
trump is doing a lot of damage to the long term global economy , with the silly trade war with China ( which is hurting the USA economy a lot more than he thinks )....all in the name of more jobs ...the unemployment level is at 3.6% so there is no need for new jobs in manufacturing , America is great , was great , but has lost the respect of it's allies, so if the economy slips he's doomed to losing the election , and lets see what climate issues will have in 2020....I doubt he will be re-elected , but maybe that's just hope?

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Blowin commented Saturday, 18 May 2019 at 9:31am

Making a move towards ridding the world of cheap , highly disposable consumer goods would be the second greatest contribution towards saving the environment that any leader could achieve.

Trump is attempting to do this.

Sharkman - An unemployment rate of 3.6 might sound great , but with the size of the US population, that still leaves over 12,000,000 Americans out of work. I’m sure they could find someone willing to do the work.

Maybe even someone from the former industrial heartland of America which lost all of its jobs to China ? The very same people who elected Trump because he said he’d try and bring their jobs back.

Fancy a politician doing what he promised and prioritising his nation and his fellow people !

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velocityjohnno commented Saturday, 18 May 2019 at 12:03pm

Ridding the oceans of a lot of the cheap plastics/single use plastics can only be a good thing.

Blowin I read the link above and was impressed with the simple contrast between Hamiltonian style tariffs and Ricardo's free trade. A nice explanation. The latter works, only so long as everyone else also does this. Everyone else has been playing mercantilism.

Found a beaut IMF data point on the relative protection of different countries recently, wish I could find the link again. Australia had a 0.9 compared to much higher global averages, and higher individual nation rates, no wonder we have no car manufacturers.

I'd also suggest John Williams' site 'ShadowStats' for the correct US unemployment figure, M2 figure etc. He uses methods of calculation as used in the 1980s before the spaghetti of different adjustments and data massaging.

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blindboy commented Saturday, 18 May 2019 at 12:42pm