Do you like or hate Donald Trump, and why?

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dimitrios10 started the topic in Tuesday, 29 May 2018 at 5:10pm

I am curious if you guys like DonaldTrump, or do you hate him?

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Blowin commented Friday, 15 Feb 2019 at 5:57pm

After two years of Trump , is the world any worse off under Trump ?

No.

Some stuff is better , some stuff is worse , but it’s no different from any other presidency despite the breathless histrionics of the paranoics who lovingly gulped the fear juice.

Same , same but different.

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indo-dreaming commented Friday, 15 Feb 2019 at 6:50pm

True that Blowin, seemed pretty surreal when he got voted in and most didn't think he would last that long or the world would end or something and even i admit a part of me was a little worried, but yeah from an Aussie perspective same same but different.

Pity we don't have a variety of USA posters here to get their perspective on things, i have American friends but its not really a conversation i want to get in with then about.

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Blowin commented Friday, 15 Feb 2019 at 7:28pm

Trump is the modern incarnation of the Y2K bug.

Brought the same cranks out of the woodwork.

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sharkman commented Saturday, 16 Feb 2019 at 6:15am

gee blowin ,manafort pleads guilty to accepting money from the Russians , when he was Trumps campaign manager , interesting to see what sentence he will get?
Trump has now created an emergency on the borders when all the Stats show the opposite , the enviroment is being trashed again over in the USA...Nth Korea , what a dumbfuck Trump is to believe that NK will disarm...now the Wall...record bankruptcies for Farmers who are suffering from the Trade war....hate crimes on the increase still in the USA...yeah no affect from him....LOL

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Blowin commented Saturday, 16 Feb 2019 at 8:59am

Don’t think anyone ever thought that Nth Korea would get rid of their nukes .Why would they when everyone one else has them and it’s their only guarantee they won’t get invaded ?

I reckon Australia needs nukes !

The smart thing to do would be to disarm Kim with kindness and remove the threat of possible irrational conflict as is happening and as hopefully happening with Russia.

Didn’t the Cold War teach you anything ?

50 years of razors edge , mutual antagonism .....all for what ? We don’t have to agree with their domestic politics, but as long as they’re not planning on expanding into our sphere - as China is - then let’s just live and let live.

As for farmers losing their income in the USA , it’s short term pain for long term gain. China will not need US farmers much longer anyway as it’s strategic objective is to create its own independent agriculture supply chain as they are already doing by buying agricultural land throughout the world including Australia. The Chinese market for US farmers will not last much longer anyway .

The US has basically deindustrialised and handed their manufacturing base to China. This trade war is a step in the right direction to correcting that situation, or at least halting its progression into the other sectors which US still maintains strength such as technology. It is also a clever way to destabilise the increasing threat of an expansionist China.

Maybe you should understand it as the US government taxing the importation of Chinese made surfboards in order to prevent the complete destruction of their board building industry. Once that knowledge is lost , they may never get it back !

Only the surfboard industry has never supported masses of workers as the lost manufacturing base did and was never an essential industry to maintain US independence in case of war or other threatening times.

Agree with the issue of Trump and the environment.....what a wanker.

PS That Manafort bloke lied about communications with a Russian with supposed ties to the state. I imagine that Russia is like China in that if you want to get anywhere you ally yourself with the criminals in power . Therefore everyone is tied to the state. This does not mean that all of their actions concern the state or are related to intelligence matters. Maybe these two shonky bastards were planning a deal of some sort , does this necessarily mean that it was unquestionably related to Russia thwarting US democracy and Putin installing a puppet president......fuck no.

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freeride76 commented Saturday, 16 Feb 2019 at 8:28am

Wonder what would happen if surfboards became part of the trade war?

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Blowin commented Saturday, 16 Feb 2019 at 8:50am

Sharkman would be wearing a MAGA hat.

Jokes.

It’d likely be less money for Kelly and a more reliable income for your average American shaper. That’s the one thing that the free trade Neolibs and fake lefters don’t want you to realise ....protectionism protects people .

China would be nothing without the absolute protectionism which has enabled its incredible economic trajectory .

Isn’t it strange that xenophobia is used as the ultimate pejorative if someone hesitates to embrace the catastrophically disruptive, globalist new world order but if it looks like the possibility that globalisation isn’t as preordained as they thought and that change may be in the air , they shit their pants and cry foul ?

So basically it’s all working class jobs becoming dis functionally poorly paid as a result of globalisation is acceptable, but if the few remaining US farmers who haven’t been overwhelmed by the multinationals need to accept less money in order to bolster the US frontlines in an ultimately beneficial trade war with China then its rivers of tears from the borderless internationalists.

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truebluebasher commented Saturday, 16 Feb 2019 at 8:01pm

Bush/Chaney's 2009 - 10 year Haliburton war contracts end 2019
We see Trump tear up Chaney's sanction busting rort contracts.
Last cheque ink is barely dry... soon as the clock strikes midnight.

Ding Ding...perfectly timing for next Republican Plunderer!

Trump's National Emergency...Virtual invasion he calls it.
Trump Tower bankrolled by blank queue 10yr defence deals from his fake War.
Nice & sleazy does it everytime!

Meanwhile the real National 'Firearms' Emergency killing spree goes on & on & on.

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sharkman commented Saturday, 16 Feb 2019 at 10:45pm

Ha Manafort , prosecution recommending 19-24 years jail for him , monet laundering /spying accepting funds ...alll from Russia as head ofTrumps election campaign....stone?
Border emergency hahhaaaha, those stable genius's are nearly as bad as their supporters LOL!

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factotum commented Sunday, 17 Feb 2019 at 2:49am

Who in their right mind - not Right mind (a bit of an oxymoron anyways) - and Australian (!) would try and prop up this fool??

Why??

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Blowin commented Sunday, 17 Feb 2019 at 7:18pm

Because sometimes his unique approach pays dividends

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/10/trump-might-win-his-t...

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factotum commented Sunday, 17 Feb 2019 at 9:31pm

Or spray that much absolute shite some fellow numb-nuts think wee bits of it stick.

And then there's Trump!!!!

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happyasS commented Sunday, 17 Feb 2019 at 10:14pm

To be fair Trump will be the reason Australia might consider needing nukes. Luckily we can't afford anything but the pissiest capability.

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truebluebasher commented Monday, 18 Feb 2019 at 7:40am

Trumps fake war is as unique as Howard's fake weapon's of Mass destruction.
Johnny treasons coalition of willing to stitch up Butcher of Baghdad solo trade deal.
Hundreds of Australians + Half a million dead! {R.I.P}
Off with traitor Howard the Coward's head? No! > Besteva PM mate! Oi Oi Oi!

Trump invents war with bedraggled door knockers. Awards 10yr defence Casinos.
National disgrace War Criminal? No! Bestever Sir...BESTEVER! USA USA USA!

Let's bloody well pray the world stops electing 'unique' dumbass War criminals.

[factcheck] 25% of World's Worst are on USA side of wall.(Ask: Wiki/USA/www)
Wall cost $8 billion for one brick so far...(re: Trump's Shutdown loss to US economy)
Trump's bankrolling invaders $250,000 each for a more civil productive society.

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Blowin commented Monday, 18 Feb 2019 at 9:20am

Construction worker remuneration in the USA has dropped on average by 70 percent in real terms in 40 years due to illegal workers undermining wage structures.

This is the war that is being fought.

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sharkman commented Monday, 18 Feb 2019 at 9:59am

haha..shapers have lost about 400% in the last 40 years , so you are right , lets ban all Asian made surfboards , and MSGA!

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Blowin commented Monday, 18 Feb 2019 at 10:08am

But Kelly needs the money !

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sharkman commented Monday, 18 Feb 2019 at 10:57am

haha yeah you are right , we need the great evils of money and power to color our lives ...that's the new world order......debt and degrade the planet..

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truebluebasher commented Monday, 18 Feb 2019 at 11:02am

Sad to hear 70% reduction over 40 years but merely a blimp for conservatives.

Goldie fly-by-night mexican Whiteshoe Brigade is infamous for upping stumps.
I reckon I lost 30% to those crooks once or twice 100% to be sure.

PM Johnny's GST ballooned Oz House Prices 40% to lowest starts on record.

Best Oz tradies or 30 yrs more lost 95% of work/families & many never recovered.

We were contracting Gold Coast #1 AVJ & Dixon Homes + Local builders...
Pre GST we coasted 30 homes a month. GST> Combed 200 kms...3 homes/month.
Yeah & that we scrounged from rival contractors at 30% reduced wage.
Stalking o/n Closed shops for Gold Tickets (Receipts) Johnnies Cartel GST rebates.
Explanation: GST wiped little guys /Big end suppliers ruled with iron fist.(No entry)

Johnny single handedly killed off Great Aussie Dream to this day. (No apology)
Costello flogs airports & telcos to brand LNP as economic Gurus to this day
Johnny's laborious GST decimated Oz Housing/Nation Building/Motor Industry.

War! Is a bit rich isn't it.
Our paid up Oz tradie reps were in bed with our elected Oz traitor.
(LNP Stooges) HIA/MBA/Developers each pickpocketing $15,000 GST Rebates.

With conservative mates batting for the home side...Who needs Mexican bandits.

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sharkman commented Monday, 18 Feb 2019 at 1:59pm
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Blowin commented Monday, 18 Feb 2019 at 3:18pm

Well he attained the lifelong ambition of every single politician opposing him without actually trying that hard and without wasting his life climbing their self imposed career ladder .

And he’s boxed in the OTHER most powerful person in the world ( Xi Jinping )

And he’ll probably build the wall his supporters voted for and the money will come from the US defence contracts.

So yeah .....victory lap warranted.

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sharkman commented Tuesday, 19 Feb 2019 at 6:42am

interesting view blowin , did the russians help him ? He did get 3m less votes than crooked H ,we will know soon!

I would say that the USA is hurting a lot more than China.....they have a long term plan , whereas Trump has just his plan that goes to 2020...farmers are really hurting there is no border crisis , but build that wall ...wasn't Mexico going to pay for the Wall?

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Westofthelake commented Friday, 22 Feb 2019 at 9:14am
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blindboy commented Friday, 1 Mar 2019 at 2:12pm

Some excerpts from a really interestingpiece in the London Review of Books
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v41/n05/david-bromwich/house-cleaning

“Ever since the hostage crisis of 1979-81, the very idea of Iran has triggered dread in millions of Americans, based on no knowledge whatsoever. To find a superstitious fear as drastic and persistent as this, you have to go back to the idea of Injun Country in the old West. But Bolton and Pompeo are men of large ambitions: even as they were reviving the memory of a familiar enemy in the Middle East, they turned the situation in Venezuela into an international crisis by recognising the opposition leader, Juan Guaidó, as the legitimate president. Pompeo went further when he imposed new sanctions and told the world that every country must now ‘pick a side’. Like many such messages from US leaders, the words emanated from that rhetorical limbo where a moral precept has the air of a command and vice versa. (Barack Obama: ‘In Syria, the only way that the civil war will end … is … a government without Bashar Assad.’ George W. Bush: ‘Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists.’) To judge by their previous careers, neither Bolton nor Pompeo shares Trump’s conceit that he can destroy the Iranian regime by a method short of war; on the other hand, Trump may actually be tempted by the promise of military action in Venezuela, where the US can show its muscle quickly and with impunity.”

“Readers of Bob Woodward’s Fear may also remember Trump’s consternation on hearing his lawyer John Dowd mention Mueller’s interest in Deutsche Bank. Woodward reported the reaction without inquiring into its possible cause, but the moment stands out from the mood of that book, an explosion amid the general sprawl of improvisation and inconsequence.
Why might Deutsche Bank matter so much? A knowledgeable veteran of the corporate and finance world explained it as follows. When the New York real estate market and the big banks threw Trump by the roadside, he had to find other sources and shelters to rely on. Deutsche Bank was one. The many Russian purchasers of Trump apartments were another. The Russian government, as Cohen’s testimony showed, was a third. ”

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Westofthelake commented Thursday, 21 Mar 2019 at 11:24pm

"You know I will shut down the government to build the wall. I love walls and walls love me. So I went to China to see the Great Wall, and believe me that wall is great. So great is that wall that I never ever once saw a Mexican" - Donald Trump practising in the mirror.

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blindboy commented Sunday, 31 Mar 2019 at 4:53pm

The great goose getting cooked in North Korea!

“ What happened at the second Trump–Kim meeting in Hanoi in late February had its roots in last June’s summit in Singapore. In March 2018 Trump leapt to accept a North Korean invitation to meet that envisioned “complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.” He did not stop to learn that this language was not a breakthrough response to his threats of “fire and fury” but rather a phrase Pyongyang has used for more than twenty-five years—beginning with a North–South Korean agreement in 1992—to mean something drastically different from what Americans mean by it. By putting the emphasis on the Korean peninsula rather than just North Korea, Pyongyang means that it would denuclearize after the US signs a peace treaty formally ending the Korean War, ends its defense alliance with South Korea, removes its forces from the peninsula, and withdraws the nuclear umbrella that now protects South Korea and Japan.”

“Plunging ahead to a summit with little preparation and no understanding of this crucial distinction or of the long, sorry history of failed agreements with North Korea, Trump got nothing in Singapore beyond an even vaguer promise from Kim to “work toward” denuclearization.* While Kim gave nothing, Trump gave too much. A meeting with a sitting US president was in itself a highly valued North Korean goal. The enormous global press coverage that came with it, sweetened by Trump’s over-the-top praise of Kim, conferred a degree of international standing the North Korean leader had never before enjoyed.”

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2019/04/18/trump-kim-korea-meeting-hanoi/

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truebluebasher commented Sunday, 7 Apr 2019 at 1:31am

GC Mayor gains votes by repeatedly promising more Ferries & Cruise Ships.
[factcheck] GC Mayor captains the most pitiful shipping routes since war time.
Past Mayors just went ahead & ran Upriver Ferries no questions asked.(Too easy!)

US President Trump gains votes by repeatedly promising to build Border Wall.
[factcheck] Trump is the only President not to build any new Wall since 1993.
The only additions being 'Trumps wall plaques' on past president's wall. (Sad!)
Past Presidents just went ahead & built the wall no questions asked.(Too easy!)

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trumps-new-border-wall-section-in-californi...

Politics 2019. Leaders do less...Reserving fuel for offspring of brain dead voters.
Regurgitate over & over...I'm gonna do it! [ VOTE 4 ME ] (Cobwebs cover the lot!)

Decades of memoirs all swearing how decisively brave today's leaders were!
tbb can't say sorry enough kidz...every right to sue us, just do it!

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IamMark commented Sunday, 7 Apr 2019 at 12:32pm

Trump is a dangerous compulsive liar who is profoundly ignorant. I am baffled as to how we went from Obama the greatest ever US president to this idiot. Please let this nightmare end soon.

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Blowin commented Sunday, 7 Apr 2019 at 12:48pm

Trum happened because Obama turned his sight away from all those who have seen their living standards plummet due to globalisation .
It was Obama’s inability to create meaningful change that allowed Trump to get elected.

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IamMark commented Sunday, 7 Apr 2019 at 12:57pm

Obama was a visionary who sparked hope in all people but he was blindsided. He was blocked at every turn by the republicans. It was an impossible situation. I bet every one of them would take him back now.

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sypkan commented Sunday, 7 Apr 2019 at 1:16pm

Obama was the greatest average US president ever...

". I bet every one of them would take him back now."

I'd bet the house on it that..."every one of them" is a gross overstatement ie. Wrong!

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truebluebasher commented Monday, 8 Apr 2019 at 9:37am

[U.S breaking news]
Dumb Deal leaked by Master Criminal
(No link to failed Assange Breakout attempt)
https://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/world/leaked-turnbulltrump-cal...

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sharkman commented Monday, 8 Apr 2019 at 9:58am

blow , "Trum happened because Obama turned his sight away from all those who have seen their living standards plummet due to globalisation .
It was Obama’s inability to create meaningful change that allowed Trump to get elected."

Now the Truth is Obama inherited one of the worst economies/ GFC in USA history , in his 2 terms he reduced unemployment from over 10% to less than 5% , rebooted the economy , called attention to Climate change and showed ,relative to DT, a bit of dignity and class to the oval office. Trump has inherited one of the best performing USA economies in USA history , and already talk of a recession coming because DT really hasn't got much of a clue on economics , doesn't listen to anyone ...except himself in the mirror....Obama fixed shit up, Trump has torn shit down !

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Blowin commented Monday, 8 Apr 2019 at 10:22am

Trump never would have happened if Obama hadn’t ignored the plight of millions of Seppos who were going backwards during what you described as “ the best performancing USA economies in USA history.”

If the forgotten had been fat , lazy and contented and getting their share of the wealth then Trump would still be currently building unwanted and economically unfeasible Golf courses in towns around the world.

But Obama got on his knees and gobbled the big end of town as the Democrats were want to do right up until Trump made them take a good, long hard look in the mirror.

You getting any waves, Sharkman?

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sharkman commented Monday, 8 Apr 2019 at 12:00pm

yeah Blowin , fun small waves here , supa crowded , but very big tomorrow.....probably 10' +...

I think you are confusing Obama with Hilary and what she didn't do in the election , which was at least visit some of the States that she took for granted....

It's rather Ironic when you visit Seppo land , and watch them get conned by Trump , thinking that they have been left behind...MAGA, they already had the best performing economy in the World , best military , so they were incredibly great already...greed is an amazing state of being , lets see how the USA's economy goes in the next 12 mths and see how the USA's manufacturing/Agriculture sectors perform?

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velocityjohnno commented Monday, 8 Apr 2019 at 12:51pm

http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts

Link to John Williams' excellent 'Shadowstats', calculating US unemployment as the method was done back in the 80's. Other indicators are worth a look too, and understanding his background and methodology can be enlightening.

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AndyM commented Monday, 8 Apr 2019 at 12:59pm

@sharkman

"at least I sold my soul , profited enormously from the sale , don;t give a rats about surfing in general"

"greed is an amazing state of being"

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factotum commented Monday, 8 Apr 2019 at 1:24pm

A long but fascinating insight into the power of congress in the US.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/republican-party-obstruc...

As an aside, did our own Tones and the Libs utilise the lessons learnt from this 'no to everything' strategy?

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sharkman commented Monday, 8 Apr 2019 at 2:45pm

I am actually in the industry to rape and pillage !

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sharkman commented Monday, 8 Apr 2019 at 2:46pm
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Sheepdog commented Monday, 8 Apr 2019 at 4:01pm

I don't "hate" Trump.
But I do hate the 2 major parties apathy and greed that got us to this point.
And I hate my fellow shit for brains voters, who seem more interested in a tv show about fake wedding than the deforestation of the east coast of Australalia, that want a "shark free surf" at Tallows and don't mind killing THOUSANDS of sea creatures to do so.

Sheepdog

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truebluebasher commented Thursday, 11 Apr 2019 at 11:11pm
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truebluebasher commented Thursday, 11 Apr 2019 at 11:59pm

Julian Assange (US/UK Arrest) unedited.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY6v63jMyl4

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sharkman commented Friday, 12 Apr 2019 at 8:13am

now Jules , the judge calls you a narcissist , the Swedes and the USA are after you , the, is Pamela still ?

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/narcissist-assange-found-guilty-o...

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sypkan commented Friday, 12 Apr 2019 at 10:57am

He certainly wasn't going cooperatively. Looks like the rumours of a deal with trump are false

This whole thing is a fucking disgrace, he's is actually the only person in 'media' telling anything close to the truth. Our society is broken. Full of lies and propaganda. How it's come to this in the internet age is unbelievable.

I hope they know what they're up to, there's a certain cohort of net nerds and angry folk who won't like this.

Time for his insurance files?

Just when trump and all the weirdness had become a bit bland, exciting times...

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Westofthelake commented Friday, 12 Apr 2019 at 2:08pm

Trump recently claimed he knew nothing about Wikileaks yet praised them over 100 times in the final leg of the 2016 election campaign. Such an honest fella he is.

https://amp.smh.com.au/world/north-america/i-know-nothing-about-wikileak...

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AndyM commented Friday, 12 Apr 2019 at 2:46pm

"The arrest Thursday of Julian Assange eviscerates all pretense of the rule of law and the rights of a free press.
The illegalities, embraced by the Ecuadorian, British and U.S. governments, in the seizure of Assange are ominous.
They presage a world where the internal workings, abuses, corruption, lies and crimes, especially war crimes, carried out by corporate states and the global ruling elite will be masked from the public."

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-martyrdom-of-julian-assange/

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loungelizard commented Friday, 12 Apr 2019 at 2:47pm

those british judges dont mind a bit of character assassination, morrisey copped a serve he has never got over

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AndyM commented Friday, 12 Apr 2019 at 3:06pm

Character assassination? That's the least of Assange's worries.

The whole thing is not unexpected but it's still fucking chilling.

https://twitter.com/Ruptly/status/1116277306161618944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etf...

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Westofthelake commented Friday, 12 Apr 2019 at 3:15pm

“The American war against Iraq was among the more idiotic and gratuitous slaughters in human history. It was premised on lies, prosecuted by criminals and fools, outsourced to professional murderers and it isn’t over.

In addition to those murdered directly and indirectly in the war, several million refugees were scattered across the Middle East, including over a million into Syria. ISIS grew from the ranks of the disbanded Iraqi army. This fiasco appeared as it was to all the world, the gasp of a dying empire sunk under the weight of its ignorance and arrogance.”

And Assange is the criminal?....talk about fucked up.