Do you like or hate Donald Trump, and why?

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dimitrios10 started the topic in Tuesday, 29 May 2018 at 5:10pm

I am curious if you guys like DonaldTrump, or do you hate him?

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Blob Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 4:42am
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Blob Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 4:53am

Maybe I'm naive.....but shouldn't the people of Israel, a sovereign state and a democracy, get to decide where their Capital is?
....or maybe it's the United Nations numbskulls, or Hamas terrorists, or Australian SJW Neo Marxists who get to make that decision.

Oh yes...The left are wrong about everything.

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Blob Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 5:06am

So Blindboy thinks China is a better model and ally for us than the US....cause he wants to protect our DEMOCRACY.
I'm wondering which elements of democratic democracy in democratic China we should copy.

The left are losing their minds

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Blob Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 5:34am

Guysmiley
Westofthelake

Kavanaugh confirmed
....TLAWAE
Egg wipes handy?

And stop being dopey about Trumps tax cuts.....(you know) they are about stimulus, not redistributing wealth upwards.
Stimulus stimulates fellas.
Humming economies make more revenue.....more than what is lost by lowering taxes
Seems to be working huh?
Or are you against record low unemployment?
If the Reserve raises interest rates it will be because the economy is in danger of overheating.

Wrong as usual Neo Marxists.

I'm in total agreement that debt is a looming disaster....but Obama was a super bummer on that front and a socialist like Bernie would be much much worse.
Globalisation (with its preference for high immigration) has given us both cheap stuff and limited wage growth.
Trump has made trade and tax policy to benefit American made and American workers.
If you didn't have to always be wrong you'd be loving him.

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Optimist Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 5:44am

1000 BC, that's 3,018 years ago. That's when Jerusalem became Israel's capital. Rome trashed them straight after Jesus and scattered them around the world. Now they are back home. This is how they returned and what was there when they got there.

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Blob Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 5:55am

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On Kavanaugh confirmation....
Blahblahblah......quote all the crap you like the plain fact is that there was never any evidence of a 'drunken adolescent assault'
There was a ton of fact of a witch hunt though.
Wrong, habitually wrong.
And no need to invoke God you heathens...
I know it is painful accepting reality, but Kavanaugh was only confirmed because voters voted Republican.

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Blob Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 6:04am

Optimist

Yes
The prophecies in the Bible regarding Israel, the Jews, and Christianity have been fulfilled to such a degree I don't know how anyone with a degree of Biblical knowledge can rationally deny it looks like there is something weird going on.

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Blob Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 6:11am

Guysmiley

Have the 'gerrymanders' you say favour Republicans ever benefitted Democrats?

You say Blacks with criminal records can't vote....can whites with criminal records vote?
TLAWAE

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Blob Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 6:32am

Guysmiley

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IF God is God, then let Him BE God.
Whether some like it or not, God has the absolute right to dictate how we use his gift to create life.

27 ¶Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. (New Testament, Matthew, Chapter 5)

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Blob Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 7:22am

Blinboy

Thank you
Great answer

Tell me.....are there any situations where you, morally and personally, would outlaw abortion.....such as a partial birth abortion at 39 weeks gestation, where an abortionist OKs it for reasons of distress or inconvenience?.
And, would you be, morally and personally, fine with the babies body parts being then harvested and marketed?.

Do you have a problem with this?
https://m.

https://m.

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 7:13am

Got to say I'm disappointed Blob is religious, i was hoping for just a Trump supporter, anti abortion dude that is an atheist...this is all now too cliche.

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Blob Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 7:43am

Indo Dreaming

I introduced abortion into the discussion to be real....
One of the main reasons Trump was supported by those who actually disliked him, and was opposed violently by others, was the presidential power to nominate justices to the Supreme Court.
The explosive Supreme Court issue is abortion.
Roe V. Wade.
Personally, I've always opposed abortion whether I was religious or not.
If you are, like plenty of people, uncomfortable with a religious angle being present in this part of the discussion there is atheist opinion out there that approaches abortion from a non religious, human rights perspective.
But, apart from one scriptural quote I haven't talked about religion at all.
I've talked about morality.
I try to judge different opinions on their own merits...on politics, culture, philosophy.....and religion.
Perhaps your reaction is more about your own issues than my religion.
Bit of a cliche really.....

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Blob Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 7:56am

.....and I'd argue that if youre at all interested in morality (and we all are) you will have a hard time explaining good and evil without some sort of 'God'
Our morality and values invent our culture and politics.....so whether you believe in an ultimate truth or not, I'm not shy about saying it can be interesting and even central to political issues.

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stunet Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 8:00am

Wrong way around: culture invents morality.

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daisy duke kaha... Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 9:57am

@blob,
What does your god say about people having extra marital affairs?
Or pussy-grabbing?
Or mocking retarded people?

Asking for an (imaginary) friend.

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I focus Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 10:18am

ID to support Trump you have to be a religious zealot particularly when you keep claiming the higher moral ground there is no other explanation.

The religious conservative right in the US sold their soul as Blob so eloquently pointed out for Supreme Court nominations however not all is lost just a couple of confessions a bit of holy water and you are to good to go again do god's work.............. just not as defined by the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth

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Blob Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 10:28am

Daisey duke kaha

You left out Partial Birth Abortion

....and hypocrisy.

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Blob Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 10:36am

Stunet

It's a very interesting question I think.

Politics is downstream of culture
Culture is downstream of institutions
Institutions are downstream from values
Morality and values are intertwined and the chicken came before the egg.
Course, I can't be right about everything....lets consult Randy Rainbow.

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stunet Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 10:56am

Just between you and me, Blob, I think that Randy Rainbow guy is a homa. Can't be trusted.

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stunet Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 10:59am

...but let's have him one more time, because sexual abomination or not, he's pretty fucken funny:

And remember, just be best, Blob!

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Blob Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:04am

I focus

Wrong
And way too simplistic.

I just read statistics showing support for Trump is high in the working class, but much higher in the non religious working class.
All those rabid alt right phillistines making hate on the interweb aren't all at church on Sunday, ya know...
.....and Obama went to a Christian church didn't he?
Were you sneering then at the progressive Messiah's religion?
It probably didn't disturb your balanced leftist perspective enough to notice huh?
I seem to remember obama had decent support among church goers too.

....and Obama opposed both bans on Partial Birth Abortions and legislation protecting aborted babies born alive......gee those Yankee religious nuts are sooo inconsistent

....on the other hand, don't believe me, any cretin can see, with their own eyes, right now, right here, in these comments that anti religious bigotry is no Fake News among anti Trump zealots.

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Blob Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:16am

Stunet

I'm with Michelle..
You go low
I go high.

Reposting silly ridicule as if you think it's biting satire doesn't make you look super intellectual chum.
Isn't it an article of faith on the left that you are smarter than those conservative rubes?
Oh well...
And I did notice another Freudian resort to sexuality.
Are the left kinky as well as wrong?

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stunet Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:22am

Lighten up, Blob. Telling other people how to live their lives is so Victorian era.

One more time...

 

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Blob Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:27am

Wow

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/10/16/facebook-deletes-disabled-vete...

This guy sure thinks Facebook is trying to influence elections.
Why is it so often conservatives standing up for free speech and progressives shutting it down?.

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Blob Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:35am

Stunet

Huh....I mean huh??

The greatest enforcers of thought control now are of the left.
You just can't see it because of your patriarchal, white CIS privilege.
Off to diversity reprogramming with you.

Maaate, fully wrong again.

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stunet Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:37am

Says Blob:

"Whether some like it or not, God has the absolute right to dictate how we use his gift to create life."

But it's the left telling us how to live?

Huh...?

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GuySmiley Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:50am

I don't believe in Jebus but if I did I reckon he was walking around today he would be labelled a leftist .......... based on his own teachings.

But as in this country its the ultra right that proclaim to be god fearing christians all the while trashing all standards of common decency and morality ..... the prosecution would like to call to the witness stand Abbott, Joyce, Abetz, Morrison and Dutton your honour.

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I focus Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 12:36pm

GS In the US JC would be an extremist lefty and he would be locked up as a vagrant.

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Jelly Flater Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 12:46pm

Blob....
You are a straight up fuckwit.
How can you sprout religious scripture on adultery and support Donald Trump? Really? I understand people make mistakes and yes there are a number of people who require religion as a control mechanism to affect stability and quell desire etc.
Now please try and register the reality of how you try and base a huge amount of your arguments on other people being wrong and being liars and hypocrites yadda yadda.
Donald Trump is not only a conscious serial adulterer, he is also a liar, a proud liar. The concept of ‘winning’ allows anyone in power to absolve deceit.... as long as they are ‘winning’. This is a construct of the mind;) Surely you can comprehend this as you mock others for their supposed intellectual inferiority.
How can you preach Christian values? It is all talk. It is all pretend on your behalf. You can try interpret ‘prophecies’ from the bible and attempt to legitimise your own weird conclusions. But that is the only weird thing going on... As I challenged you in an earlier post - please divulge your direct experience of God? Please share something free of what ‘you’ have read... As in, where is the imaginary divine knowledge you so wholeheartedly believe in coming from? How did your version of everything on morality or Trump or anything become so superior? How did you become ‘right’? Is it a personal viewpoint or absolute truth? Really, please explain that distinction? And, remember you continually accuse others of dodging questions, don’t be a hypocrite....
Your selective quotations on any scripture is an individually manipulated front to try back up any argument to suit your own need...
This is selfish and also a simple attempt again on your behalf to try and find an explanation for your own ignorance and lack of direct experience of any subject you profess to ‘know’ .
You talk of ‘whether you believe in an ultimate truth or not’ in trying to defend your personal standpoint against others. You also pretend to use the argument of no evidence in regard to the Kavanagh stuff... Anything Trump you seem to have all the answers... The ultimate truth cannot be believed. Do you get it?! A belief is a belief and the truth is the truth. They are separate. ‘Your’ truth is simply your belief. There is nothing ultimate about it. Personal bias, hypocritical rhetoric and straight out lies fit perfectly into beliefs. The truth is separate.
Now let’s not start on evidence based defences... You have no evidence. Your ‘morality’ is hypocritical as long as you support Trump. This goes beyond religious and right or left leaning bias, this goes beyond right or wrong. The blob knows nothing. The blob has a delusional persona of being superior in intellectual interpretation of world events and issues. There is no truth, just speculation and misguided belief. A simple misinterpretation.
Please attempt to offer something... anything, beyond what you have read or been told about morality, religion, abortion, or Trump... Share your direct knowledge of God. Hear that - your true understanding or experience;) Then you may be able to provide actual evidence... Because as long as you are making this stuff up, you can continually pretend to be right on everything and choose to cut and paste according to your own selfish, self serving agenda.
Remember this... Certainly people can believe whatever they want - they tend to in any case - but that doesn’t make the belief true.
It is the business of religions to peddle the notion that they possess knowledge of absolutes.
God has no religion.

‘A man’s ethical behaviour should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.’
- Einstein

Now I’m no Einstein buff, but take from that what you will. Don’t presume it’s true either, just consider it...
By substituting faith for the truth, we’ve abdicated our souls not saved them.
Unless, of course, the Blob is smarter than Einstein and holier than Jesus;)
Keep it coming if you will, it’s an entertaining muppet show.

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Blowin Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 12:52pm

If Santa was still around today would he be left or right wing ?

On the one hand he’s redistributing presents to all equally without care for race , colour or creed not to mention social status or financial position ...very Left.

But on the other hand there’s his whole workshop of imported labour magical elves working horrendous 24/7 conditions for suspect remuneration ....very right .

It’s a hard one.

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Blob Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 12:56pm

Stunet

Read the W.O.R.D.S. please
I've said IF God is God HE has the right to tell people how to act.
IF....and NOT ME.

comprehendo?
We are free agents in my theology

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stunet Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 1:09pm

Your god, mate.

Not mine.

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Blob Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 1:16pm

Jellyflater

Flattery will get you nowhere you old devil!

Let me use simple concepts for you.

Slowly now.

My favoured candidate was Ted Cruz.

I then supported Trump as the one who could defeat the elitist, globalist incompetent, immoral Hillary.

Hey...I was right again.

Guess what....they both have moral failings, but you still can prefer one immoral politician over a more immoral politician.
That's how democracy works you complete..... genius.

Still, Trump has been a pleasant surprise, as evidenced by his support among working class voters.
....and why pretend to assume I condone Trump's affairs?
Surely you're not that stupid.
I don't believe it.

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factotum Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 7:14pm

Fun factoids (and from Wikipedia, no less! Well, kinda):

The Blob was a 1958 American independently made science-fiction horror film.

The storyline concerns a growing, corrosive, alien amoeboidal entity that crashes to Earth from outer space inside a meteorite. It devours and dissolves citizens in a small community, growing larger, redder, and more aggressive each time it does so, eventually becoming larger than a tremendous hotel building. Yuge!

The community works out that The Blob's only vulnerability is being left out in the cold.

They then banish it to the Arctic. One of the citizens notes that while the creature is not dead, at least it has been stopped. To this, another replies, "Yeah, as long as the Arctic stays cold".

Anyway, is Swellnet's The Blob proof that anthropogenic climate change is real?

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Jelly Flater Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 5:03pm

Blob I never pretended to assume anything about you or anybody.
You assumed I pretended to assume you condoned Trump’s affairs...
I highlighted how hypocritical you are in espousing certain moral values yet conveniently choose to put them aside when supporting somebody in a political context... I don’t care what you condone or pretend to assume.
Anyway, try and interpret it anyway you like;)
I mean, if it works for you then keep on keeping on...
If it’s not working though, either drop it or change.
Your quote from earlier - ‘I know it is painful accepting reality’...
When you work in concepts then that makes sense;)

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truebluebasher Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 5:20pm

Chester dog gone brought a bit of Blob home from Arctic Circle.
Chester's wife thawed out Son of Blob on the kitchen bench.
Bobby refroze The Blob on the Town's Ice Skating Rink...
Blob 3 "The Resurrection" Plot was bizarrely lifted from some religious cult's surf forum!

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Blob Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 5:27pm

Stunet

My God?

I was just working on a generally accepted notion of God.
As in, IF He's there he knows all....
If that's not your God, what is?

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stunet Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 5:35pm

I don't have one, Blob.

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Blob Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 6:00pm

Jellyflater

Just read the last part of your comment.
You seem angry.
Why is that?
If you want to know my direct experience of God I'm reluctant to say too much
.....you are a bit abrasive and I doubt you really want to understand me.
Go to the swellnet comments on 'serving the creator of the Waves' from a couple of years ago if you want.
You seem to be offended that I believe I'm right and call others wrong.
That's what most of the comments do.....even yours.
You don't have to take my word im right about anything.....I support my assertions with information you are free to rebut.
I can get a little sarcastic to people who call me names....a weakness I know.
I'm a little confused by you....are you saying there is no truth , so I can't have it....it's all opinion anyway??
If so, we disagree.
You say "there is no truth, just speculation and misguided belief"....are you certain that statement is true?....like, can it be true there is no truth.?
I won't say you are wrong...but....

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truebluebasher Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 5:47pm

This is The Blob 3 Theme Song (Special gift for Blob...Underground novelty classic) Enjoy!

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Blob Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 6:05pm

If Hollywood calls I'll make myself available.
Maybe the plot could include a blobby massacre at Democrat convention or something
....appealing.
And thanks....the blob song is awesome.

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Jelly Flater Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 6:03pm

Blob there is no anger here, excuse me if being direct confuses you.....
Your confusion is all there is, and nothing is as it seems... for you.
I’m not offended.

Assertions... Concepts... Beliefs..... Yawn!

There certainly is truth. Just none in any of your assertions, concepts or beliefs. This has nothing to do with anything being as you ‘seem’ it to be.
It’s just YOUR confusion. It is evident on a personal level and on anything you offer whether it be religion, politics, morality, abortion.... whatever;)

That is ok. Be confused. It’s just not ‘right’. It’s your opinion, or your confused one, so to speak.
Here is a question though...
Is your confusion ‘yours’ as in of your choosing?
Or is that just the way God made you ;)
Confusing... Right? ;);)

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Blob Wednesday, 17 Oct 2018 at 6:07pm

Jellyflater

Thanks for the feedback
You are certainly on to me.

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Blob Thursday, 18 Oct 2018 at 9:04am

Trump is a scary racist who wants good journalists to die.

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2018/10/17/ann-coulter-fake-news-aut...

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yocal Thursday, 18 Oct 2018 at 12:02pm

Blob I agree in that Trump is a liar and journalists also lie. So in your view is it about who lies better, or who comes forward and apologises for stating mistruths that is the winner?

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garyg1412 Thursday, 18 Oct 2018 at 12:59pm

A good listen for all you atheists out there!!
Armageddon Days Are Here (Again) By The The

They're 5 miles high as the crow flies
Leavin' vapour trails against a blood red sky
Movin' in from the East toward the West
With Balaclava helmets over their heads, yes!
But if you think that Jesus Christ is coming
Honey you've got another thing coming
If he ever finds out who's hi-jacked his name
He'll cut out his heart and turn in his grave
Islam is rising
The Christians mobilising
The world is on its elbows and knees
It's forgotten the message and worships the creeds
It's war, she cried, It's war, she cried, this is war
Drop your possessions, all you simple folk
You will fight them on the beaches in your underclothes
You will thank the good lord for raising the union jack
You'll watch the ships out of harbour
And the bodies come floating back
If the real Jesus Christ were to stand up today
He'd be gunned down cold by the C.I.A.
Oh, the lights that now burn brightest behind stained glass
Will cast the darkest shadows upon the human heart
But God didn't build himself that throne
God doesn't live in Israel or Rome
God belong to the yankee dollar
God doesn't plant the bombs for Hezbollah
God doesn't even go to church
And God won't send us down to Allah to burn
No, God will remind us what we already know
That the human race is about to reap what it's sown
The world is on its elbows and knees
It's forgotten the message and worships the creeds
Armageddon days are here again

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velocityjohnno Thursday, 18 Oct 2018 at 4:09pm

Here's a bit more actual Trump policy:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/17/us/politics/trump-china-shipping.html
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-17/trump-goes-postal-abandons-144...

There exists an old postal treaty that makes it cheaper to ship from China to the US than to ship within the US. A local manufacturer, employer of 12, complained - why should his competitors in China be advantaged by his tax dollars funding the US Post to do this? Trump listened. This one should make cut price goods more expensive, and make US domestic manufacturers (employing working class US manufacturing workers) more competitive.

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redmondo Thursday, 18 Oct 2018 at 4:18pm

The essence of this man is truely ghastly, It is hard to believe he is the prez and has lasted this long. I would say loathe him. Maybe it is a needed wake up call.

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 18 Oct 2018 at 5:05pm

@velocityjohnno

Wow that's pretty interesting, it's amazing and crazy that something like that wouldn't be changed years ago????

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yocal Thursday, 18 Oct 2018 at 5:06pm

This is good policy in my opinion and I also support forcibly pressuring China to observe International IP laws if it wants to participate fairly in the free market. Tariffs seem to be appropriate leverage for that means but I am no expert at intergovernmental affairs.