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Shatner'sBassoon started the topic in Friday, 6 Nov 2015 at 7:48pm

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factotum commented Thursday, 30 May 2019 at 3:05pm

"Boris getting jailed for political bullshit. Like when Hanson got jailed....when they get uppity , throw ‘me in the stockade to think about it."

Get a grip. The conflation is ridiculous. Boris & Pauline??

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AndyM commented Thursday, 30 May 2019 at 6:47pm

"Brexit is a turning point in modern democracy."

Not sure I entirely agree with you Blowin but I think you're still in the general vicinity.
Nationalism has certainly seen some sort of surge recently, the European elections attest to that.

The immigrant free-for-all maybe finished in Europe, including in 'progressive' and "racially and culturally homogenous" Denmark.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36130006

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AndyM commented Thursday, 30 May 2019 at 6:51pm

On another note, New Zealand’s first “well-being budget” has been rolled out, prioritising well-being over economic growth.

Just goes to show how Jacinda Adern and her government really do have it together.
Imagine an Australian government, especially a Liberal one, prioritising well-being over pure economics.

Revolutionary.

https://theconversation.com/new-zealands-well-being-budget-how-it-hopes-...

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AndyM commented Thursday, 30 May 2019 at 7:01pm

Jeez I feel like a dirty old perv now that this thread has been shunted off the front page.

Like the under the counter magazine section.

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Westofthelake commented Thursday, 30 May 2019 at 9:42pm

"Imagine an Australian government, especially a Liberal one, prioritising well-being over pure economics."

Too right!

It is the difference between seeing your country as an economy or seeing it as a society.

I can't see the Libs giving a care to anything but the mighty budget surplus.

"If you have a go you get a go?"

Too fucking bad if you're sick, under educated, down on your luck, have mental issues, family issues, un/under employed, unable to own your own home, stuck in a cycle of criminality, financially struggling, etc etc and so on....

Socialism is about improving society. Capitalism cares not for society.

Onya NZ, great leadership.

Again.

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Westofthelake commented Thursday, 30 May 2019 at 7:15pm

Lolz andy, re under the counter.

Ya perv (haha)

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Westofthelake commented Thursday, 30 May 2019 at 8:46pm

Divide and conquer?

"The Brexit Party’s campaign was a one-man show. While it has a sophisticated digital strategy, the party has no members and no manifesto, and none of its candidates were democratically selected. It offered only one policy: a “No Deal” Brexit. Its rallies focus on star performances by Mr. Farage, introduced with thundering motivational music. He is a gifted communicator, verbally dexterous, with a sense of humor."

Nigel Farage said "The ambition now is to cause a revolution in British politics – and to end the two-party structure as it is, it’s just not working.”

He added: “We hope to have a profound effect on the Conservative Party and to shift the centre of gravity once more.”

Mr Farage accused the PM of turning Britain into a “laughing stock on the world stage” over Brexit.

Yep, sadly funny.

I don't really know much about him but he sure acts like an 'agent of change'.

I know how he got to where he is, but the question is where is he going?

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GuySmiley commented Friday, 31 May 2019 at 9:43am

Speaking of shady ... saw a story on Brexit Boris last night, what a pants man, makes our Barnyard look like a monk. Several failed marriages, even more mistresses and at least one love child. Tories that have worked close to him say he’s unstable and has no attention to detail.. They say it be the worse possible outcome for Britain if he becomes PM.

Edit: this is a story that’s played out before, very Trump like is Boris

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indo-dreaming commented Friday, 31 May 2019 at 7:51pm

Interesting to see old Billy boy moving into the next stage of his journey over the last few days.

Its like that five stages of grief thing.

First was shock and WTF moment which in all fairness he actually handled pretty good.

Now he is coming out making excuses blaming media etc, IMHO it's a really bad look especially after he has had the time to see where he and Labor went wrong.

He should have just remained humble in defeat and stayed out of the lime light.

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factotum commented Sunday, 2 Jun 2019 at 12:12am

"I'm not that politically savvy, but..."

Whoops, wrong thread.

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Blowin commented Monday, 3 Jun 2019 at 11:05am

What do you get right , Fagto ?

Silly old cunt.

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factotum commented Friday, 14 Jun 2019 at 6:18pm

Hahahahaha.

Fagto!

Stuffed and mounted like a prize crocodile flathead, B.I.

Again.

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GuySmiley commented Monday, 3 Jun 2019 at 3:53pm

Yep, sooooooo true, and old mate has a Collingwood tat too!

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velocityjohnno commented Monday, 3 Jun 2019 at 4:53pm

Weekly east coast gas update:

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/06/gas-disaster-mushrooms-into-msm/

"The other glaring omission by Gittins is that this is not just a manufacturer’s problem. It is problem for every business and household in the National Electricity Market (NEM) because gas sets the marginal cost of power as well. The combined utility price shock is some $15-20bn from Adelaide to Cairns, and more of this is power than it is gas. In truth, manufacturers are small beer."

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/06/david-llewellyn-smith-stinks-ra...

comments on that above link are pretty good, if you want a TL/DR summary, poster 'Jacob' outlines how this happened:

"My summary of what is going on:

In 2006, WA said to the LNG exporters, “you must leave some gas for the industries in WA” and they did – so the gas price in WA did not soar. While “the smart state” of Queensland and “the education state” of Victoria were not smart enough nor educated enough to reserve gas for the industries on the east coast.

The state governments and the federal Gillard government believed the lies peddled by the LNG exporters (“there is plenty of gas in Queensland – so we will not need to get any gas from Bass Strait”).

It turns out that there is not enough gas in Queensland and there is a gas pipeline from Bass Strait to Queensland – via which the billionaires are hoovering up most of the cheap gas and exporting it to Japan.

The result is crazy – Bass Strait gas is cheaper in Japan than it is in Victoria!"

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/how-to-finish-off-manufactur...

Boomer media have picked it up with piece above by Gittins.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/altona-site-to-shut-union-soun...

CEO of Dow Chemical after warning of this for 2 years, sees plant closed.

Lastly, Sunday Times paper in WA did article with WA Premier beginning enticing manufacturing from the east with its gas reserved at about $4Gj...

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Laurie McGinness commented Tuesday, 4 Jun 2019 at 7:32pm

Post-Electoral Tristesse

Well here we are on the other side of the unloseable election which was, very sadly, lost. Post mortems are not pleasant affairs. The lingering stench of death and the revelation of internal organs and processes are not things most people can easily stomach so let's leave it to those who are happy knee deep in recriminations or suffering post-electoral tristesse.

Let's look to the future instead, though that too, in the circumstances, requires a strong stomach. But before we get to matters likely to result in reverse peristalsis, we should consider suggestions of a bright side. A few incurable optimists, who presumably had to increase their medication to maintain their usual joie de vivre during the election, now believe that, given his current political position, Morrison might introduce some bold progressive policy. Well anything is possible, but a glance at our PM's history suggests that this is about as likely as him switching his loyalties to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Then there are reports, from those who spend too much time looking for silver linings, of a pale glow around the edges of some distant cumulonimbus. The suggestion is that Morrison is almost certainly going to find it impossible to deliver on the only things he actually promised during the campaign; a balanced budget and tax cuts. Unfortunately, how that might help is something of a mystery given the way the cookie crumbled this time.

Is it even remotely possible that those One Nation/Palmer Party voters residing in the State That Must Not Be Mentioned, will change their vote over a matter as inconsequential as the national economy? Hardly. Entrenched attitudes are hard to shift and the track record of the STMNBM is to throw their support behind reactionary loons at the first sign of a Federal Government proposing rational policy. Then there is the small matter that six years of blown budgets and extravagant largesse to their old school mates in the corporate world, under three different coalition PMs, didn't raise so much as an eyebrow in the central parts of the STMNBM. A particularly perverse version of this supposedly bright outlook is that the economy is about to tank, sink into a deep recession and so ensure the coalition's defeat in 2022. If this is the good news, better steel yourself for the rough stuff!

So here we go, let's take a deep dive into reality. Forget meaningful action on climate change. We have a PM who brought a lump of coal into Parliament and an Emissions Reduction minister with a Masters Degree in Denialism and a PhD in Dodgy Data. In fact forget meaningful action on any aspect of the environment. Land clearing? Full steam ahead! Endangered species? Not for long, extinction is an easy option! The Great Barrier Reef? We'll have a nice aquarium in Townsville instead! The Great Australian Bight? Drill away boys, drill away!

On wages? Ha ha ha, let them eat cake! Stand back and watch the gig economy grow and what few protections remain for workers to disappear into greater profits. On education? Further screwing of the public system to fund badly needed heated pools and sandstone gates at the poncy schools for fancy lads and lasses. And let's not forget, even greater privatisation of the tertiary sector and lower standards for degrees.

Worst of all, the coalition won government on One Nation and Palmer Party preferences. Without WA and the STMNBM, Labor would be in government. Add to that the significant swings against the coalition in many of their usually safe seats in other states and their strategy for 2022 has to be to hold the gains they made. This is the party of John Howard, the man who played the race card to attract One Nation voters. Does anyone think Morrison would hesitate for a moment to do the same? Of course times have changed and the race card is a bit scuffed and worn around the edges but there are some other cards in the deck that are almost as toxic. Be ready for a steady diet of welfare bashing, and a double dose of FEAR, after all, if the election demonstrated anything it is that even an appalling government can win re-election if they can afford enough negative advertising to create the fear of something worse. Thanks Clive, you bastard!

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 4 Jun 2019 at 11:49am

Unfortunately, BB, the ALP has commenced campaigning on a conscious increasing of their Big Australia ideology.

This guarantees consecutive election losses.

Till they figure this out , they’re consigned to the garbage bin of irrelevancy and the entire nation suffers.

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/06/quexit-zigs-labor-zags/

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 4 Jun 2019 at 11:50am

Good post , VJ

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 4 Jun 2019 at 2:33pm

Read the comments after the article

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/keneally-to-push-immigration-as-...

ALP thinks it’s going to TELL the electorate what they want. For some reason they believe the tail is going to wag the dog.

If they tried listening, we might have a chance. But I don’t even think they know how to do that.

Write off.

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GuySmiley commented Tuesday, 4 Jun 2019 at 5:05pm

We are about to go into recession or worse so will it still be Labor’s fault?

Record household debt (highest in the world), record government debt, record low interest rates, record flat wages growth, rising unemployment, rising under employment, record number of foreign workers (est. 1 million), unemployment benefits that haven’t increased for 25 years .......... and yet the government says the economy is strong and is pursing a 3 stage tax cut agenda which, if passed by the Senate in full, will see the highest tax payers getting massive tax cuts in 5-6 years time.

..... and that’s all before we start looking at the looming trade wars, perhaps we will become the Greece of the Southern Hemisphere.

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velocityjohnno commented Tuesday, 4 Jun 2019 at 5:31pm

Country Roads
Take me home
To a place
Where I belong
Rural Queensland
Humid Cane Fields
Country Roads
Take me home

It's okay to name it.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 4 Jun 2019 at 5:39pm

No one thinks it’s labor’s fault.

ALP and LNP in victory both would have done their hardest to exacerbate the situation though.

LNP by pleasing business, attempting to restart the housing boom- rather than letting it continue fizzling- and kicking our big readjustment down the road and allowing the recriminations to gain size and effect .

ALP by upping the immigration rate even more and with even less productive people, thereby suppressing wages right when wages growth is the only thing that can save us. Even more people means even more vital infrastructure spend wasted on maintenance issues to accommodate population growth. More debt for no gain.

If the LNP is right about anything, it’s their downplaying of the recession threat. Of course it’s coming.....and it’s going to be hectic. But panicking the population serves no one’s interests.

Fear begets fear. Perceived reality becomes reality and we’d be in the shit maybe earlier and perhaps worse than necessary.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 4 Jun 2019 at 5:43pm

VJ - Isn’t it funny , after being a proud member of the electorate which gave us the worst of the worst - Abbott and Bishop - the wellspring from which a vast majority of the nation’s woes sprang , and re-electing them for DECADES, now he feels vindicated in pointing the finger at those he thinks are responsible for the state of our country.

Imagine how different the political , social, environmental and economic landscape of Australia would look if Abbott had never gotten a leg up in his electorate.

Incredible.

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velocityjohnno commented Tuesday, 4 Jun 2019 at 6:24pm

The Queensland song is a bit tongue in cheek (and yes refers to John Denver who was an unapologetic country fan in 'country vs city') but it serves to show the polarisation that's happening overseas

Mid/Work class vs city elite
Country vs city
industrial/rural jobs vs FIRE/Gov
native born vs forced immigration *

* with the caveat that the immigrants voted away from ALP's leftiness

has happened here. ALP is steering itself into irrelevancy with this recent move, as my son remarked, "if they help the coal workers they lose the inner city left, if they go left they lose the country, and the immigrants don't go for the LGBQ... stuff either. They'll be split apart."

GS yep it's coming (it's here...), but we've had rallying on the Scomo win (now looking like Bull Trap), RBA just dropped rates 0.25% and the Housing Industry was very quick out of the gates saying "Now is the time to buy!" Everything will be rosy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKnX5wci404

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GuySmiley commented Tuesday, 4 Jun 2019 at 6:34pm

City v bush, north v south, blah blah, divide and conquer... politics 101 for the LNP

But Scumo was telling us only 3 weeks ago the economy was strong and not to risk going backwards .... how far back back must we go?

The naked gun reference, quality

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factotum commented Tuesday, 4 Jun 2019 at 6:59pm

Oh sweet lord, stop the Swellnet 'immigration' merry-go-round, etc etc...

https://thenewdaily.com.au/money/finance-news/2019/05/31/bridging-visas-...

Not all 'immigration' is equal. Especially in impact.

A hypothetical equation of sorts:

If a government properly funded universities and VET, and apprenticeships...

And re-regulated the various TWVs through market testing for example...

And reversed the out-sourcing of public processing and other services...

what would be the result re: 'immigration numbers'?

What would we be actually talking about??

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 4 Jun 2019 at 7:33pm

Fagto , if you’re trying to lessen the crimes of the ALP then you’re pushing shit uphill.

The ALP don’t want Big Australia, they want Bigger Australia.

You’re not listening, they’re not listening.

The reason we are on the merry go round is because people like you aren’t quick enough on the uptake so we are forced into this repetitious cycle of remedial education. We keep telling you how it is but you’d rather indulge your fantasies.

Everything you’ve suggested is obviously a step in the right direction, but the ALP have made it plain that they have no intention of reducing numbers. They want to increase numbers. The method of increasing the population is secondary to the increase itself.

When the ALP figures that out they will stand a chance and the people of Australia will have someone to vote for.

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factotum commented Saturday, 22 Jun 2019 at 12:44am

Blowie, surprise, YOU aren't the 'people of Australia'.

Like our PM giving himself a nickname, YOU can't give yourself that representative role and expect to be what? believed about anything??

Clive Palmer has got more 'voice of the people' cred than you, let alone Pauline.

Old Mr Creosote garnered the biggest overall swing outta the whole circus.

Still pissy, but with preferences both him and Pauline pushed ProMo over the line into a one seat HoR majority.

YOUR Pauline.

What does THAT tell us?

Clive and our ad-man ProMo's bought and sold flim flam plus both them and Pauline's FEAR shtick (covering all bases) is all you need to succeed?

Sheesh.

And Blowie, like your new go-to boys, the MBers, somehow all our wage and infrastructure and environmental and overall cultural and economic and social problems will magically resolve themselves if we just cut 'immigration'? What type and kinds, well, whatever, just cut it back. Preferably people of a certain erm, hue, and um, background.

Have the MBs gone into that sort of detail yet? At all??

Lest we forget their cut and pasting a paragraph or two from a couple of chapters in a 20 chapter, 5 part, 328 page book called The Wages Crisis in Australia: What it is and what to do about it, for example.

Sterling 'work' by the boys to what end?

Has Rupert put in an offer yet for their site?

I get the feeling - and the feels are all that matters it seems - that Australia is cooked. Deep fried, Seppo style.

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GuySmiley commented Tuesday, 4 Jun 2019 at 9:32pm

bummer

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GuySmiley commented Tuesday, 4 Jun 2019 at 9:31pm

The impending recession gunna mean even more people ...is there no end to our stupidity?

Government debt over a trillion sometime soon but as long as you don’t hinder my aspiration.

Greed is good.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 4 Jun 2019 at 11:09pm

No , Fagto , you and the ALP are right and everyone else is wrong.

Now, why don’t you both just fuck off with your distracting bullshit so the rest of the country can make a fresh start and create a new party for the working class.

PS I know the MB guys used to write policy for the ALP and they now feel that the ALP doesn’t represent them. Nor do I . Nor does Australia....obviously.

But your jealousy at the success of their NON PARTISAN website is plain as day . And your strawman attacks on them don’t detract from the fact that they are intelligent and broad minded about changing allegiances where necessitiy dictates. Whilst you are neither . Not only that , but whereas you dodge even the simplest of questions, they make clams as to cause and effect every day and are on the money more often than not. They are not pro LNP or anti ALP , they just call dogshit when they see it and the ALP and the LNP are equally rife with it.

Who are you to contradict them ? They put forward reasoning, logic and evidence to support their assertions. They make predictions with justifications which are very much right. What the fuck do you do?

Just a low level party apparatchik without the balls or the ability to think for himself.

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 5 Jun 2019 at 7:04am
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factotum commented Wednesday, 5 Jun 2019 at 6:55pm

B.I., it's just a guess - call it an educated one - that I know more about the MB site, the players, their shtick, the whole ball of wax than, sadly, you'll ever know. And you pay their wages!?

At least they've got a reason for it all. It's their hopeful little cash cow. What's your excuse?

Hats off though for showing us the new creeping Nine influence with your SMH link. Fitzgibbon, member for Hunter, traditional heart of the NSW coal industry, and Rudd hanger-on. Time for him to fuck off.

Here's a better link you probably agree with.

https://www.smh.com.au/federal-election-2019/joel-fitzgibbon-says-he-war...

"Now, why don’t you both just fuck off with your distracting bullshit so the rest of the country can make a fresh start and create a new party for the working class."

Haha. YOU'RE a working class hero? Stop it. You're an embarrassment.

Did you ever get around to googling 'class consciousness'?

Speaking of 'working class men' and 'class consciousness', check Jimmy Barnes on the last Q & A? He appeared with that 'class traitor' Ruddite functionary Fitzgibbon.

https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/a-very-cool-jimmy-barn...

You should read his first autobiographical installment Working Class Boy too. Cool book.

Ah well, B.I. good luck, truly, in making a party in your own image. Well, as you implied, but really? I doubt you've got the wherewithal, the brains, the balls, or more importantly the reach beyond your own self-interest. You do seem to have the time, but. Spraffing and farting and whinging about Chinese and other 'types' on here 24/7.

Just stop with your 'working class' flim flam. It's as convincing to astute buyers as Pauline's or Clive's crapola.

Then again, as the election showed us, how good is Australia?

(Answers on the back of a postage stamp...well, while Australia Post still exists)

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factotum commented Wednesday, 5 Jun 2019 at 9:22am

As I said above, I get the feeling - and the feels are all that matters it seems - that Australia is cooked. Deep fried, Seppo style.

Meanwhile in the UK...

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Sheepdog commented Wednesday, 5 Jun 2019 at 12:10pm

Sheepdog

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factotum commented Wednesday, 5 Jun 2019 at 3:56pm

...and allied to THAT election result, SD, you'd think politics should be front-page now more than ever?!

Ah well...

Let's see if this thread hits 10000 comments.

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Westofthelake commented Thursday, 6 Jun 2019 at 3:25pm

ABC gets raided.
Journalist house gets raided.
ALP gets raided.
AWU gets raided.
CMFEU gets raided.

But Michaelia Cash can just refuse to answer AFP questions.

Ain't democracy grand.

What democracy?

A Corporate Oligarchy with a kleptocratic and plutocratic security state infrastructure; with a dash of nepotism, cronyism, theocracy and much of the media controlled by an extreme right-wing despot.

An exaggeration?

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factotum commented Thursday, 6 Jun 2019 at 4:49pm

And so naked now...

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Laurie McGinness commented Thursday, 6 Jun 2019 at 5:05pm

Another 3 years of appalling governance brought to you by .......... one fat bastard! Thanks Clive, you miserable parasite.

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Blowin commented Friday, 7 Jun 2019 at 11:46am

Classic.

"We must guard against a lurch towards a narrow, transactional approach to our international relations where our relationships and the ambitions for the world that we share together become nothing more than the sum of our deals," Mr Morrison said at the UK- Australia chamber of commerce meeting on Tuesday.

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Laurie McGinness commented Friday, 7 Jun 2019 at 10:25pm

The Consequences Of Complacency

Having voted for a plausible rogue who managed to successfully hide his less plausible colleagues during an election campaign dominated by a forensically targeted campaign based on equal parts of fear and bullshit, Australia now needs to ask itself "What on Earth were we thinking?" The answer, if we are honest, is not bloody much.

How else to explain the rejection of a comprehensive and progressive suite of policies in favour of ..... well that is the question that the electorate was unwilling to consider. Given a choice, we voted for that always impossible, forever inaccessible, more of the same. Sorry folks, reality doesn't hang around, not even for an usually warm and stupefying east coast Autumn. In a world changing so rapidly anything moving less than 100km/hr might as well be standing still, we voted for inertia, further and further down the same path. Further into climate change, further into inequality, further into the surveillance state, further away from a free press, further into the licensing of hate speech, further from 21C.

Newton's First Law of Motion states that change requires a force, in this case a force we were unwilling to exert. So we have a lazy and complacent government elected by an equally lazy and complacent populace. And we will suffer the consequences. Individually and collectively. From those conned into voting for the very few, probably won't happen anyway, jobs from the Adani project, to the parents forking out for might have been free child care, from the unemployed and single parents, who might have been liberated from their current oppressive regime, to the journalists who suddenly find that the ethical practice of their profession has now become illegal, yes we will suffer.

And when the economy tanks and all the economic illiterates in government have to offer is austerity, then what? Maybe have a think about that. Less money for education, less money for health. No new infrastructure. More expensive food, more expensive everything. You think it can't happen? Not here, not in the lucky country! Well maybe our luck will hold, but every gambler knows good runs don't last. There's a time to pull back and hold onto what you have, but we just voted against that, put the lot on the last race ....... well it's off and running. Good luck.

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Blowin commented Saturday, 8 Jun 2019 at 8:31am

Unfortunately Laurie , the electorate faced the choice between the noose and the guillotine . The people picked their poison. That’s the result of the modern iteration of democracy.

But do you really think that constantly belittling your fellow Australians en masse will improve anything. ?

Declaring the Australian collective as lazy and complacent isn’t hate speech ?

And as far as economic literacy, or its lack , are concerned, you do realise that the government will very shortly be implementing either the Aussie version of quantative easing or helicopter money don’t you ?

Probably both.

And that the current mass infrastructure spend in Sydney and Melbourne are far less to do with accommodating the out-of -control population growth and more to do with using public money to underwrite the house of cards residential Ponzi scheme .

None of which could be considered as austerity measures . So there’s that theory up in smoke .

That’s what I admire about you Laurie- you never check to see if you’re free of blame before you start pointing the finger. Such gall !

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factotum commented Friday, 14 Jun 2019 at 6:21pm

"Just go on the threads you want anyway. They’re still there. Dribble still occurs."

Hah! Bingo! And here it is! Cheers B.I.

"...the electorate faced the choice between the noose and the guillotine . The people picked their poison."

Well, apart from the mixed metaphors, no BECAUSE of them, and the hyperbole, this is meaningless.

A vote for Labor was death? Personal death or the death of the country? Maybe you could conceivably run with the latter if you're talking about the coalition, and/or Palmer & Hanson (whose preferences got the LNP over the line for a one seat majority in the HoR).

Discuss.

"Declaring the Australian collective as lazy and complacent isn’t hate speech?"

Yes. It isn't.

You could even add "dumb as a bag of hammers", but then we're not talking about the 'collective', are we? And not even the usual Lib and Nat 'true believers', but just the turkeys voting for Xmas?

I guess going by the aggrieved hyperbole of that statement and the sense of victimhood snowflakery, we know where you sit, B.I., you self-proclaimed 'working class hero'.

As for Laurie's comment:

"And when the economy tanks and all the economic illiterates in government have to offer is austerity, then what?"

I guess you missed the "WHEN the economy tanks" bit, hey B.I.?

Confident we won't see a bog-standard, via the UK model, austerity budget then? Hang on, we had the Hockey "lifters and leaners" austerity budget when we weren't in recession! And that was a bog-standard version of the UK austerity model in play at the time.

Well, there's something to look forward to then!

How good is Australia?

Don't answer that.

You're not supposed to.

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Blowin commented Saturday, 8 Jun 2019 at 10:41am

The economy is tanking right now. Has been for awhile , but the truth has escaped the economic illiterates Laurie was referring to. They need screaming headlines to be told what’s going on in the world.

I guess you’ve just included yourself in that bracket , Facto.

Maybe if you’d paid a bit more attention to what your learned mates at Macrobusiness had to say, rather than trying to tear them down because they dare speak the truth , then you’d be up to speed.

They were predicting government employing quantitative easing a year ago , whilst you’re thinking the economy is still on a firm footing. Could be time to start acknowledging that you don’t know what the fuck is going on.

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Blowin commented Saturday, 8 Jun 2019 at 11:09am

And here’s a nice little example of the bullet dodged when the ALP failed to make themselves electable .

You familiar with the shitfight that our universities have become with the international students debacle ? The way the tertiary education system has become a diminished shell of its former self in the desire to turn the fundamental national requirement of learning into a cash cow ?

Yeah , well the Victorian ALP government is trying to do the same to Primary and secondary schooling.

No , I’m not kidding.

Thousands of fee paying foreigners dumbing down Australian children’s educations in the shortest of short term thinking one can imagine.

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/06/international-students-crowd-vi...

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Laurie McGinness commented Saturday, 8 Jun 2019 at 1:18pm

Dumbing down the system? I worked in a school with one of the highest percentages of international students in Sydney, most of them studying in their second language and they were regularly at the top of the HSC rankings. The main concern of their parents, who were often still overseas, was that THEY would be dumbed down by the locals.

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Blowin commented Saturday, 8 Jun 2019 at 2:01pm

So why has the incidence in increased foreign students lead to the undeniable diminishing of standards for tertiary education ?

Introducing primary age foreign students with a poor grasp of English will only ever reduce the standard of education across the board as these students slow the learning process.

Assuming you’re teaching high school, correct ?

Was it a selective school ?

You’re confusing international students here to achieve and learn with the farming of foreign students as a means of achieving work rights , permanent residency and access to the real estate market for their parents,

You’re talking about the 1 percent who try to learn and I’m talking about the 99 percent who just show up in order to gleam access to the benefits of our society.

PS I hope you weren’t teaching economics.

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Blowin commented Sunday, 9 Jun 2019 at 8:07am

The definition of Fake Left is aligning yourself wth neoliberal extremists in order to fulfill your globalist fantasies.

If you’re ever in doubt just how Fake Left you are , Laurie, just consider that you are advocating for the privatisation of our education system just to further your open borders wet dream.

You and Scomo have the same end goal .

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factotum commented Friday, 14 Jun 2019 at 6:23pm

Talk about jumping around like a flea on a hot skillet.

Or being all over the place like a mad woman's shite.

B.I. your conflation and hyperbole is hysterical. In all senses of the word.

"...here’s a nice little example of the bullet dodged when the ALP failed to make themselves electable."

Let that sink in for a minute. And then ponder what kind of munitions the Libs and their enablers represent in this goofy analogy.

Then spuriously jumping from 'discussion' about Federally funded tertiary education to State funded primary and secondary education via the MB subscription. Conflation much? What a flea circus.

Then this??

"You’re confusing international students here to achieve and learn with the farming of foreign students as a means of achieving work rights , permanent residency and access to the real estate market for their parents,

You’re talking about the 1 percent who try to learn and I’m talking about the 99 percent who just show up in order to gleam access to the benefits of our society."

Those figures are disturbing. Not the bullshit numbers - the content - but the intent.

Surprise?

And finally the full strawman 'fake left' shit-spray.

Directed to a bloke with years of engagement and knowledge and experience and expertise with the subject...

From what? An ex-FIFO scab, dime-a-dozen laptop 'share broker' with a Macro Bollocks sucker subscription?

Laughable, but then again, the laugh's on us. Look who our PM is! Cheers enablers!

How good is Australia?!

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factotum commented Sunday, 9 Jun 2019 at 2:04pm

A very neat summation and a must-read for those who like to bandy round terms like 'neo-liberalism'.

https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2019/jun/06/socialism-for-the-ric...

How good is Australia??

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Blowin commented Sunday, 9 Jun 2019 at 2:43pm

You said a while heap of stuff Facto. I’m sure it means something to someone , somewhere.

But you haven’t addressed the idea of privatising primary school education......by the Labor party.

You haven’t addressed the fact that the school system can’t keep up with the rate of immigration already , let alone selling places in classrooms to foreigners.

Even someone with as tenuous a grasp of economics as yourself understands the concept of inadequate service provision , surely ?

ALP privatising schools ....who’d a thunk it ? For people who aren’t even Australian. Those striking pastoral workers who met under the ghost gum they called Tree of Knowledge would be turning in their graves.