What's what?
Yes GS the mines and de-industrialisation. Whomever can provide a real solution will get the keys to the kingdom. Presently the political class and the working class are diametrically opposed.
Was wondering when they were going to update that.
Something that just popped up.
whats your (and i assume the abc did that chart) definition of libertarian /authoritarian andym? restriction of freedom of free speech , big government, (your own previously favoured nationalisation of banks etc) are all all authoritarian in my view. every government to the left of the neo-liberals (including hawke/keating here by your definition which i accept) globally descends into a 1-party dictatorship. again, cuba, venezuala, china etc chock full of political prisoners. i think the chart is an abc orwellian crock of shit. is labor going to try and regulate the media when they get in again like they did last time? that is what i consider authoritarian. (cue the usual suspects)
That screen shot above is from Political Compass.
I agree, I think the ABC's version is a stitch-up to make the Greens look extreme.
Libertarianism - gives strict priority to liberty, above such values such as tradition or equality. Libertarians look to maximise individual freedom and minimise public authority. this can be either left wing or right wing. Americans tend to associate libertarianism with right wing economics but it can be across the political spectrum
Authoritarian - is concerned with the repression of opposition and political liberty. Differs from authority which is based around legitimacy.
"every government to the left of the neo-liberals .... globally descends into a 1-party dictatorship"
Absolute load of shit.
ALP was to the left of the neo -liberals until relatively recently (a few decades ) .
You think Australia in the ‘70s was a one party dictatorship?
you got me! guilty of a little (a lot?) exaggeration on the swellnet political forum! you are both right (and i am (gulp) wrong) .. punishment could include reading posts by factotum . i should have qualified with a tendency to... better they (australia) veered back to the centre tho! still think democracy which i am a fan of threatened more from the left than the right but poorly expressed
I think the Right/the corporations are spitting on democracy at the moment.
They're treating you and me with the utmost contempt.
Interesting to see what happens here.
"Northern Australia Minister Matt Canavan has called on the Greens to dis-endorse a candidate over a racist slur posted on social media.
The comments were directed at CLP candidate Jacinta Price, who is the first Aboriginal woman to stand for the Liberal Party to stand in the NT seat of Lingiari.
George Hanna, who is also standing in Lingiar, posted a photo of Ms Price drinking from a coconut with the caption, ‘it’s not every day you see a coconut drinking from a coconut.’
Mr Canavan says this is a ‘disgraceful slur’ and if Richard Di Natale had any standards then he would sack Mr Hanna."
See you've been over to your favourite source of wisdom Indo, the Daily Terrograph re above post.
Looks like he got out in front of it, so I would expect the we won't be hearing much more of it (except on Sky and Bolt et al as something to outrage over) which sums it up, in a nutshell.
But how about that egg mate, bounced right of Scomos rubber head...
And the way he was able to (not) divert the narrative to Green radical insubordination combined with the union movement aka Labor. What a fuckin legend eh?
Btw if I ever see that chick from today I will happily buy her a 'doz' for the cause.
"The younger Price’s tilt at power is another colourful turn in the circus of Northern Territory parliamentary politics, not just because of her alt-right following or the dynastic family play involved, but also because her constituency is, unlike her mother’s, majority white."
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2018/08/25/the-folly-j...
"No one with a revulsion for the influence of the alt-right or neo-Nazis in our body politic would be surprised to learn that an aspiring Aboriginal candidate for the House of Representatives could graduate from the role of children’s entertainer “Yamba the Honey Ant” to darling of the Country Liberal Party and the federal Coalition. Still, the average pundit would not be aware that the majority of this person’s social media followers are the rabid racists who claim to support a pro-Aboriginal cause by backing the aspirant’s bizarre political agenda."
V.I. you're a "social media follower" of Jacinta, yeah?
Actually I saw it on Sky news social media, i follow Sky news and ABC/SBS on social media split the difference and the bias and perspective on issues you can then get the whole picture, instead of just one perspective.
But yeah mainstream media will probably not report it and it wont become an issue.
Fatoctum that article is a complete load of garbage her followers on social media are just ordinary people seems mostly middle aged white women, but there is a few Indigenous supporters.
The attitudes and post from her supporters are generally positive it's only the very odd far right nut, but you even see complete nutters on ABC and SBS Social media.
The Saturday paper is absolute trash, everything i see from them is loopy opinion pieces mostly by old inner city hipsters
To be honest i haven't followed to much of what Macia Langton has written/videos etc...i remember some was complete bollocks and had written her off...but i do remember one thing she did was quite good about the negative effect of welfare on the Indigenous community, which was strange because it actually made sense and seemed more inline with views of Anthony Dillion.
Only complaint about Jacinta of late is her post have now just become about labor bashing, which is as boring as Liberal bashing and the reply on social media have become just as lame of late.
Much more interesting when she focusses on indigenous issues.
Here's something you won't read in a Murdoch Empire rag.
https://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/blog/2019/05/nature-decline-un...
Alarmist?
Or just the facts.
Alarmed?
We should be.
"But how about that egg mate, bounced right of Scomos rubber head..."
Thats what you get, when you let people off so lightly like Egg boy was, atleast this girl got charged this time.
Sooner of latter it will be a left wing poly getting done, hopefully more than one egg, and then the forum will be full of people whinging and saying how violent and childish the right are.
Is it just coincidence or is there a pattern?
Correct me if i wrong, but i recall about five attacks now, shoes and eggs etc
Two on Howard, one on Gillard, and two recent incidents, only one on Gillard could be called a right leaning person.
So why is it that the left who preach love, compassion & tolerance etc are the ones who get involved in these incidents???
BTW. The chick was pretty stupid she even got busted with pot in her pocket....classic :D
I don't know. Maybe left and right isn't as black and white as you relentlessly make out?
"Sooner of latter it will be a left wing poly getting done, hopefully more than one egg, and then the forum will be full of people whinging and saying how violent and childish the right are."
The difference between the left and right is the left might use an egg whilst the right would use a grenade.
Funny thing is that egg throwing in Aussie culture has been around as long as I can remember. I remember a few times in school seeing eggs flying from one side of the school yard to the other. Also it was not unusual to hear of someone getting their house egged.
Life goes on and the chickens keep doing what they do.
Have we had a overly violent attack of any sort from a right wing person on a politician?
I am surprised it hasn't happened though.
Remember when you used to refer to a 'kook' as an egg?
Anyway...
https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/protestor-hurls-eg...
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-30/sandwich-thrown-at-gillard-dur...
Y'know, just for balance...
Australia has got a fascinating history of political erm, violence. These were just off the top of my head.
Oi, V.I. ya egg, googie, I mean google away.
Oh yeah, just remembered Arthur Calwell!
https://www.smh.com.au/opinion/arthur-calwell-how-dodging-the-bullet-spa...
An amusing take on 'egg girl' and gender inequality.....
https://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/gender-gap-widens-as-egg-g...
I feel sorry for her,probably a man made her do it...................................chortle ...and she still fuked it up.......too much multi tasking.
The ol' right whingers always taking it to another level...
https://www.smh.com.au/national/picture-this-meet-the-minister-for-murde...
How low can you go? Well The Daily Telegraph have been down in the sewer for a long, long time and they just keep getting deeper and deeper in stinking shit. The story about Shorten's mother re-awoke some really painful memories for me. Sometime ago my family was involved in an incredible tragedy which they featured in a tasteless and grossly offensive manner in their front page with images that enabled young family members to be identified.
I called them to complain and they, very foolishly, invited me to discuss things with them, probably in the hope they could get some follow up,story from me. What it actually did was give me an opportunity to tell the low life shithead named in the piece below exactly what I thought if him. I was an angry angry man and pretty beefed up from working out at that time ........ he was considerably younger than me with a private school accent and had probably never encountered the degree of aggro I threw at him before. He turned white and called security. An added bonus was that Piers Ackerman was coming in as I was being escorted out, so I got to give him a blast too. People forget how easily ordinary people can be attacked by these mother-fucking low life parasites on the body public.
https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/paddy-manning/2019/08/2019/155729455...
Thanks for sharing bb. The DT needs a good eggin' I reckon. Murdoch and the death star squad really are getting desperate. Can we expect to see a front page with 'Australia needs Scomo'?
I flicked through the channelz last night and got a glimpse of Jones on Credlin outraging over the amount of people who are pre polling and how it is 'devastating' to our democracy. How I wondered. Apparently because there is a week to go this is when new policy should be made public and theres a better chance for Shorten to 'make a mistake'....but if millions have already voted then they are denied the opportunity to change it. Oh the outrage. Silly old fart he is.
Did you guys see this?
https://www.abc.net.au/4corners/cash-cows/11084858
Youtube link is same thing, included for the comments.
and
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-06/utas-announces-external-review-in...
Murdoch Uni, which was heavily featured, is a basket case.
http://www.nteu.org.au/changetherules/higher_ed/murdoch_decision
"The Murdoch Decision was unprecedented in the higher education sector as the first time a university employer had sought to terminate an enterprise agreement. It was an action aimed at stripping rights and protections from staff, with the termination leaving the terms of the safety-net modern award as the only enforceable industrial rights for Murdoch University staff once certain undertakings by the employer expired.
The successful agreement termination and the process leading up to it are now widely regarded as the clearest examples in higher education of how the rules governing working people and their unions are broken and need reform."
Universities are one of the most casualised workforces going round.
Anyway, WHY is this happening?
Government under-funding, anyone? Spurious visa enticements? On 'neo-liberal' steroids by who know you since 96?
With visa enticements as well as under-funding, the institutions have become increasingly reliant on full-fee paying international students to bring in the revenue needed to support current teaching and research streams. And even with this, and the increasingly corporatised structures implemented (including out-of-proportion VC/CEO salaries) some like Murdoch (in the extreme but not alone) see the only other alternative is to cut courses and not renew staff contracts.
Things are broken. And the Libs love this sort of manufactured 'disaster capitalism'.
And sadly, importantly, this ultimately affects us all.
On a less serious note.
If Aus political parties ran election sausage sizzles..
A parody on elections
And the Aus Gov not happy with satirist.
Cosplay Forun Universe City awards Honorary 'Super Girly Egg Toss' degree.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91fQ-56jUdL._SL1500_.jpg
Veesa Pleeze Vacational ***** Releases googly vid for stoned PM tossers.
Struth! Truth in advertising?
(Top is a frame-grab from a Lib TV advert)
The Monthly's Daily Briefing
"One dare not hope but it suddenly seems that an overwhelming majority of Australians have decided that enough is enough on the threat of climate change, and that it is time we got serious. We sort of decided that already in 2007, and repeated it half-heartedly in 2010. Then the climate movement lost majority support in the face of a scare campaign led by the Coalition under Tony Abbott, and the rest is history. Now, when climate finally matters again, the chickens are coming home to roost for the Coalition, and nothing they have to say on the subject is believed in any way, shape or form. We won’t know until the votes are in, but perhaps under all the noise Australians really are determined to send a message this election that it’s time for climate action.
The run of news since yesterday is remarkable: the Lowy poll shows that for the first time climate is seen as the number-one threat to Australia’s national interest; Britain passes the milestone of going one week without using coal to generate electricity for the first time since 1882; New Zealand introduces a bill for zero carbon by 2050 (and gets slammed for moving too slow); and Peter Garrett calls for Labor, should it win the election, to declare a climate emergency and to establish a “war” cabinet committee to implement a transition to zero carbon.
One highlight of last night’s leaders debate came when Bill Shorten withdrew his comment earlier this week that it was “dumb” to ask the cost of Labor’s climate action policies and, instead of dissembling or making nice, he doubled down and called the question “dishonest” – a “crooked charlatan’s argument”, to be precise. Morrison does not get it, and never will. He is campaigning under the old Abbott paradigm, or he would not yesterday have warned about “green tape” within hours of the Intergovernmental Science-Policy Platform on Biodiversity and Ecosystem Services (IPBES) revealing that the planet faces an extinction crisis. Whatever the costs of Labor’s policy, the costs of inaction are so much higher. Just today, take the Climate Council’s warning that climate change could take $571 billion off real estate values by 2030. If that’s not big enough, what about a study published in Nature last month that assessed the cost of thawing permafrost to be $70 trillion between now and 2300.
If this is a climate election – and that’s a big if – it’s game, set and match to Labor, and the reason why was set out in Greenpeace’s “Dirty Power” report, a collaboration with investigative journalist Michael West and analyst Simone Marsh. The Coalition is too heavily connected to big coal. It’s not just the out-and-out coal spruikers, such as Resources Minister Matt Canavan or the arch-deniers of the Monash Forum. (Remember them?) It’s the invisible environment minister, Melissa Price, 15 days without a presser during a planetary crisis, previously a lawyer at Crosslands Resources, subsidiary of big coalminer Mitsubishi. It’s the energy minister, Angus Taylor, who previously wrote a report for the Minerals Council of Australia and was a headline speaker at the “Wind Power Fraud” rally, organised by Stop These Things. It’s the prime minister himself, whose chief of staff, John Kunkel, was previously deputy chief of the Minerals Council of Australia and a lobbyist for Rio Tinto. Pulled together, it’s a damning picture.
After six years of climate vandalism, the Coalition finds that the wind has changed, and the government appears to have sailed unexpectedly into a climate election. “We are taking action,” the PM says, as though we’ve all been asleep for six years and nobody noticed how he got the job in the first place."
tbb wishes to reward a 30min intermission for crew's tireless electioneering.
Chaser Boys 'Chris & Craig' will cook up some...(Democracy Sausage) for the crew.
Episode 1 'The Goose that Ducked the Golden Egg' (Radio webcast)
Left loons usually but... the show respects 'Lib Guest' & is neither left nor right.
Better than current TV Election fodder that's for sure... Relax & have a laugh crew!
https://iview.abc.net.au/show/democracy-sausage
"Britain passes the milestone of going one week without using coal to generate electricity for the first time since 1882"
Doesn't England have half a dozen or so nuclear power plants?
Should Australia go nuclear?
No zen, apart from all the other issues the construction time is too long. Nuclear power is old expensive technology. Renewables are cheaper and can be online sooner. Nuclear provides about 20% in the UK but is in decline as old plants shut and no new ones are built.
How did the UK do it then?
Genuine question.
If they can do it, surely we can.
Natural gas, nuclear and renewables, mainly wind. Gas produces much less carbon dioxide per unit of energy than coal. Yes we could do it ..... and much more. All it needs is political will.
https://www.city-journal.org/australia-economy-middle-class
Very, very good. The author provides a vignette of how Australia is changing, from a perspective of industry being a valuable thing to the prosperity of a people.
"Over the last decade, though, Australia’s luck has changed, as the country develops many of the pathologies of crowded, socially divided societies like the United Kingdom or the United States. Despite being highly dependent on resource sales to China—largely coal, gas, oil, and iron ore—Australia has embraced green domestic politics more associated with Manhattan liberals or Silicon Valley oligarchs than the prototypical unpretentious Aussie, often someone dependent on resource-based industries. The result: a dramatic reversal of the middle-class uplift that so long defined Australian society."
"The most pernicious assault on Australia’s middle class comes from regulation of land and expenditures to promote urban density."
"New City coeditor John Muscat, a longtime social democrat, contends that the Labor Party and its putative green allies have been transformed into an instrument of the bureaucracy and “progressive” gentry, including academics, green activists, media stars, and business interests well-positioned to flourish in a hyper-regulated state. “Green planners,” Muscat says, “engage in a form of class discrimination. The costs of climate change are heaped on outer-suburban working people, who lose jobs, mobility and housing amenities, while the affluent emerge unscathed.”
This is valuable in that it exposes a new form of 'class war', the progressive gentry vs the working and middle class.
Ha ha ha ha, I will have to check it out, that's the funniest thing I have read in a while. Right up there with the Betoota Advocate. Who said Americans had no sense of humour!
From the article
" Per capita, Australia has installed roughly five times as many renewable-energy installations as the E.U., the U.S., or China, and even two-and-a-half times more than climate-obsessed Germany. Not surprisingly, its energy costs are now among the highest in the world; energy prices rose 130 percent between 2015 and 2017."
I wonder if this is true?
No it's not true.
ha ha....just saying it is not true is not very convincing.
I guess i will have to do some fact checking, but It could well be true, i know we have surpassed over 2 million households solar insulations and believe there is about 9 million households in Australia.
Not sure on price rise, but that wouldn't surprise me either if true, sure feels like it could be.
EDIT: Not sure about the actual numbers, but this is an old article with old figures and our roof top solar insulation has risen another 1/3 on the figures at that time (1.5 mullion households now well over 2 million households), but even back then we were clearly out in front per capita on households with solar installations
From below fact check article
"Verdict
Josh Frydenberg was correct. Australia almost certainly has the highest proportion of households with PV systems on their roof of any country in the world (again, not including tiny nations like Kiribati). His assertion that nearly 15% of Australian households have solar panels on their roofs was, indeed, perhaps a slight underestimate."
https://theconversation.com/factcheck-qanda-is-australia-the-world-leade...
So indications are it could possible be true or close to the truth, which is surprising.
UK has Biggest Winds/Tides & being an Island perfectly suits all Port Cities.
Without trying UK can source 10-20% base power with Govt assist 50% easy.
UK Govt won't back #1 World Tidal Power (Huge) so it sits under resourced.
Euro Shipping (Commerce) is powered by Tides & Port Cities depend on it 100%
Moon-Tides are more reliable than other costly scarce local earth resource.
Aborigines used to trade with China 5,000 y/a using only Moon & Tides.(Not New)
tbb understands there is no waste product from Tidal Power if utilised sensibly.
Perhaps UK simply hooked into Putin Gas pipeline bypassing Euro check points?
How does putting a solar panel on your roof lead to higher energy prices?
A previous posting and still food for thought:
"OK, here's a little experiment for you. Stick you fingers in your ears, close your eyes, and say, in a stern voice, "I told you so". Now, open your eyes, pull your fingers out of your ears, and look around. Has anything changed? Is the world a better place?
What "we" have been "seeing" is that something is not right. But, as we already know that something is not right, the mere fact that self-appointed spokespeople for the common man like Trump, Hanson and Morrison make lots of noise in their attempts to use our dissatisfaction against us is more of a negative that a contribution. We need to ignore this static, and concentrate on fixing the problem. And the problem is a thing called "corporate rent", and how it has grown to unsustainable levels over the past forty years.
Corporate rent is wealth that is extracted from the economy via profits, property rent and interest, by corporations. In being extracted from the economy, this wealth becomes unavailable to us for the satisfaction of our needs and wants. So, if we look at the wealth that we create as a nation (Gross National Income) as a cake, corporate rent is like a slice taken out of the cake by the waiter before it is served to the diner. And, ever since 1974, the size of the slice taken out of our cake by corporate rent has almost doubled from under 15% to nearly 30%.
In 1974, when corporate rent ate up less than 15% of our national "cake", we had enough to pay for Medibank, free university education, a massive revamp of public education, and huge boosts to the liveability of cities. Now, with corporate rent consuming nearly a third of all that we produce, we can't afford it, and that is what is making us cross.
So there's the answer. We need to control corporate rent, and to bring it down to sustainable levels that will allow the wealth that we produce as a nation to be spent by us and on us, in the satisfaction of our needs and wants."
happyasS knows the Grid bills dirty user Peter to pay clean user Paul's rebate
The Govt explain it that way so to clear their name...Blame yer neighbour!
[factcheck] {R.I.P}
More untrained workers died falling when installing Howard's rushed Solar Panels...
Than were electrocuted in Rudd's infamous Pink Bat scheme.
No Front Page or Inquiry & this is likely the only forum you'll read of it...Hush now!
Source was George Christensen MP who Wrongfully blamed Rudd Govt.
Howard's Solar Scheme dangerously climbed 7,000 >70,000 installs in 2 years.
Just repeating that Rudd/Garrett got roasted for a rise of less fatal outcomes.
tbb actually applied & had Panels installed with Howard's rort scheme.
Mostly a $2,000 product inflated to $8,000 for dumbass Johnny to bill taxpayers.
My Installer claimed non certificate FIFO crew were rushing to cash in on installs.
Lesser so was later repeated with Pink Batts!
NEWS replay the Batt story over & over & over....(repeat)
Here's a review of Howard's over inflated Solar Scheme.
http://www.tai.org.au/sites/defualt/files/PB%2021%20SHCP%20final_4.pdf
This is Bill Shorten’s version of the Scomo announcement to relocate the Aussie embassy in Israel in order to appease the Jewish vote.
Compromising our entire nation’s interests to shore up a localised voting bloc in order to protect their careers. The most blatant self interest imaginable from a public servant.
This issue pushes me towards the unimaginable- that of preferencing the LNP over the ALP.
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/05/labor-visa-earthquake-to-trigge...
Read it and deny it if you can.
Scroll down to check the current wait times for care BEFORE an unlimited amount of elderly foreigners begin to apply pressure to the system.
https://www.myagedcare.gov.au/help-home/home-care-packages/accessing-hom...
I am engaged in this process on several fronts at the moment and it is disheartening to say the least and quite tragic if you want to be more accurate.
Utterly contemptuous politicking by the ALP and their Green backers.
NZ woman wearing a headscarf holding sub machine gun
.... just toying with you indo. Its a good thing she wasn't at Dandy market otherwise you may have been tempted again, errr, you know.
Hahaha!
This is a perfect example of COALition ethics
https://www.smh.com.au/federal-election-2019/coalition-solicited-foreign...
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