Australia Uber Alles

Sheepdog wrote:

You said you were "done" with me, Sheriff Braudulio... An amazing backflip....

"So, I am flip-flopping!" - Diamond Joe Quimby

Anyway I didn't say it was a core promise so ...

And I had my fingers crossed when I typed it.

Sheepdog wrote:

.... I just hate the way this country is going....

All jokes aside, I'm 100% with you on that.

WTF are refugees from the Middle East coming to Australia?

Nearest point of relief surely if they are genuinely being persecuted eg Bangladesh, Russia, Ukraine, Saudi Arabia, Oman (look at a map!)

theween wrote:

WTF are refugees from the Middle East coming to Australia?

Nearest point of relief surely if they are genuinely being persecuted eg Bangladesh, Russia, Ukraine, Saudi Arabia, Oman (look at a map!)

Would it have something to do with top dollar from Aust Government hand outs?

jesus ween, the Ukraine?....that's about as fucked up and the middle east countries they are fleeing!

as for Saudi.... Saudi's are big on protecting their own and low on protecting the rights of others. plus they haven't signed the UN refugee convention. so who knows how long you might spend in jail...cough cough.... detention....then one day they might just drive you to the border and kick you out....

it all depends up on your definition of persecution I suppose......if someone believed that the government was about to kill them, then sure, the Ukraine would look like the fucken Maldives, but if your persecution is rather continued harassment, for example the govt throwing you in jail for random bullshit again and again over and over, or stealing your shit, then you might choose to be slightly more selective about where you wished to migrate too.

and all around the world we are spending billions on finding the god particle, statues etc etc, on buying jet fighters, subs etc and have no real interest in helping those in need.
then we hide behind stupid fucking laws like the one mentioned in this thread and deny people a chance of a semi decent life.
we talk about having to pay for some poor bastard who has had a fucked up life and whinge about it.
for fucks sake, imagine if it was us.
basically we are a selfish lot, the so called developed countries are under developed in compassion.
have we not the common sense to undertake public work projects that can help our nations and also cater to helping those who need a new start in life with a decent standard of living.
one chance if they fuck up and their whole family gets penalised.
sometimes i get so worked up over the obvious stupidity that surrounds me, yet the solutions are right in front of our eyes.
shark attacks= low food stocks=how much is being spent on fish farming? fuck all-huge industry to breed fish for sale, restock rivers and ocean.
water= need to grow food/animal feed=how much is spent on water capture=fuck all
open your fucking eyes australians- there are opportunities there to grow new economies plus help relocated humans which augurs well for a greater future for all aussies
but no, we spend it on cities- traffic jams, pollutions, huge house prices- such short sightedness will pay the price and will it be too late- lucky i am getting an old bastard and hopefully they will have sexy nurses in the nursing home to give me a shower.
australia, a country with the world at its feet but its head up its arse, but i still love it- crazy bastard that i am.

"Basically we are a selfish lot, the so called developed countries are underdeveloped in compassion."

What a load of shit .

Over a third of Australia's budget goes on welfare.

Not including foreign aid, disability and aged care, donations to charity or just personal handouts to friends and family.

Or even medical care for all, even tourists or the destitute.

Get yourself to Indonesia and tell them that your out of work and would like some money to tide you over till you get back on your feet.

Or go to India and see what sort of disability support you'll get from the government.

Aussies pay over and over again to help people .

blowin, i was talking about humanity. I agree, australia is a world leader in being compassionate, but fuck mate, look at the food we chuck out, look at all those people still in refugee camps.
The vatican has enough treasure to sell to help all these people. The Anglican church has the same.
Look at the amount of money spent on weapons.
I am sorry if I upset you about what is really going on.
But we have the resources to house, feed and help these people in need, but we dont do it.
If the world followed australia's example we would have a far better world, but we dont because as i said, we are selfish, we refuse to help others that arent like us, we use excuses, we have huge administration costs that eat into the budgets to actually help alot of these people.
we spend billions on things that some say will help mankind, yet we have many millions of our own species suffering that we could help right now if we truly wanted to.
Use whatever justifications u want, but the facts are self evident, humanity has not and is not putting the well being of all humans as it's highest priority.

here's an interesting story, if Australians can privately sponsor refugees for $8 000 a year, why can't the Australian government?

yeh its not really dealing with the issue and its neglecting our responsibilities but so is everything we're doing now. and its got to be better than spending $100 000s a year to lock up asylum seekers in those miserable camps. this guy is smiling.. really smiling. we need more inventive thinkingto deal with this stuff.

http://www.theage.com.au/interactive/2015/frontiers-of-hope/indonesia/in...

another thing that complicates this issue is this guy got away from personal persecution by relocating to Pakistan. but then seemed to leave there because of a general lack of safety due to bombs going off. Australia cannot fix the whole planet. again how do we choose who is more entitled/in danger? really difficult.

interesting someone raised saudi arabia, this does my head in (and muslim friends) why doesn't a super rich country like saudi arabia do anything at all to help their muslim brothers? especially when one of the five pillars of islam is to be charitable. they are too busy exploiting cheap labor forces like their muslim Bangladeshi brothers, while gullible naive westerners are left to do all the heavy lifting

everything the government touches costs 5 times as much, its the nature of the oz government , even at 40k its a win win and should more than cover required corruption monies, helps indo economy, shuts up ozzie rednecks, and the refugees cannot help but pick up the Indonesian contagion that is smiling!! he sure looks happier than the poor souls on manus island.

I've 'been in the sea', refreshed, revitalised, and now...back ON TOPIC:

Sometimes there's a man... I won't say a hero, 'cause, what's a hero? But sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there.
But sometimes there's a man, sometimes, there's a man. Aw. I lost my train of thought here. But... aw, hell.

God help me out here.

I mean Dog...Dang, my mistake. I'm all, how's Tony Barber put it again, discombobulated.

I, no, WE, need your forensic analysis and archival knowledge...mainly of these threads. You're the Keith Windschuttle of Swellnet.

Actually, your potted history as provided to Braudilio on the previous page is quite interesting...well, to me, and obviously to you of course. Please use your forensic skills, trawl back, and quote directly where I've 'attacked' you. Maybe have a more considered read...less speed, more haste...and "please do not understand me too quickly".

Attack is such a strident word. Tony Barber, uber troll, has cause for complaint...but he's a troll. A subtler one than most...so much harder to lure from his lair...but a troll nonetheless. That is my contention. He's quite fascinating in a way. Up to a point.

Big Lebowski quotes struck a particular nerve? The 'derailing' of YOUR very serious thread. It is a serious topic. We all know that, yeah? Correlates with a lot of other manifestations of late of the Australian character, or lack of. This government in particular is trading on the worst of us all. Our 'better angels' are being bullied out of the discussion. The 'better angels' in our own souls.

Comrade, there's been murder, child abuse, and rape committed in these concentration camps. In our name?? But don't we all know this, yeah?

I offered you a heads-up, a warning of concern via Nietzsche.

"He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee."

Perhaps, I should've put it in plainer language (I do like to open up the possibilities and share the gold).

To wit, arguing on here, it’s a bit like mud wrestling with a pig at times. Firstly you both get covered in shite and secondly, you realise only the pig loves it.

Until you start to love it too.

well, at least the time you're committing to your retorts is getting longer. More haste, less speed. Just have to try it with your written ones now. More dude, less un-dude.

the abyss...

Keith Windschuttle, there's a name. Not a particularly nice person imo.

If you can't say anything nice about someone, don't say anything at all.

So I won't.

Socialist/Marxist turned right-wing idealogue. Small man, bald, career academic, lacking in empathy.

Hang on a minute.......

All the pieces of the puzzle seem to fit.

A-hah:)

Sb....Im pretty sure everyone here is capable of moderating their own involvement without falling trap of mr neitsch"s own weakenesses. It's a conversation and we are all guilty of evil at times. To suggest that in this debate there is good versus evil, is childish....

nothing to see here

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-13/workers-defy-border-force-act-to-t...

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@Sheeps….note this is a global problem and the companies are not breaking the law. Its not avoidance rather minimisation. Sure it aint good - but if we are to have the current laws then this is what global companies can do. Clearly both sides of politics need to fix this … but they don't know how at this stage. This was on the G20 agenda but I don't know the outcome. Not sure how affective 'naming and shaming' will do - we know most of them and still use / buy their products.

"Naming & shaming", hey? That term's straight outta the LNP hymn book in relation to this at the mo.

http://www.afr.com/news/coalition-rejects-naming-and-shaming-tax-avoider...

Talk about trying to frame the debate. And for whose benefit, again? It's all about as thin as Josh Frydenberg's hair...and your credibility TB.

'Fess up comrade, are you on the LNP payroll?

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/public-service/army-of-1900-spi...

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/the-coalition...

"I've noticed it... a strange breed of new Coalition commenters. They're not the regular Right wingers who fall over when you present them with real facts or real arguments. Nor are they the Lib 'grunters', the one-liners who have always supported the Libs and occasionally visit to say they hate Labor. Rather, these are snappy fast talkers, always coming back with extremely dodgy reasoning, ad hominem dismissals, and a certainty of purpose that says they are really only there to blunt any Left wing attacks. Their arguments run the full gamut of debating abuses: ad hominems, patronizing their opponents, drawing the wrong inferences, selective use of evidence, ignoring negative evidence, distractions, non sequiturs. They never display any weaknesses and are always fully certain about Lib virtues and Labor failings. They're a different breed from the idiots from the Herald Sun and Daily Telegraph who can't string two sentences together. They were never seen until the last couple of months and now they're matching the Left commenters post for post. I'm sure a number of them are party faithful or staffers backed up by some coaching." - dave frasca

Hmmmmm...Tony Barber/Donny, come on down, you're turpsed.

Sheepd…yeah but who are the competitors to Apple, Google, Ikea and the like that do the so called 'right thing'. Geez, I don't know of one like Google. I think the global tax laws have to change or our fearless leaders try another way - not sure which would be best - I'm no accountant.

stop buying i phones you fucking hipsters!!!

they're shit anyway with their closed network bullshit

that's without considering they're tax dodging cunts

Could someone explain the shit fight between Shiite and Sunnie Muslims. Do we get involved ?
Syria is a problem but we had nothing to do with it nor with Libiya nor with Iran. Afghanistan now has it's own people in charge.

well, maybe I should have been a little more succinct. Given this is an historical divide between the two then they can sort each other out and have their own power struggle which is what this is shit fight is about. They play by no rules so its best to stay out of it. hence migration from these areas needs to be carefully managed and it may not satisfy all of the 'humanitarians'. A difficult problem to solve, granted, but if after over 1000 years the problem is still there - lets move on.

Yep, the Iraq intervention was a mess. There are several events in history where removing a despot or dictator has caused such problems. But in Iraq the majority are Shiite whilst Saddam Hussein was Sunnie.
More relevant is - do we take on any flavour of Muslims just because they maybe a minority in their lands ? The West have caused an issue with Israel and Palestine - a real problem which arguably is a seed for more problems elsewhere.

Sheepio you have to understand after the 22nd word, you can start swearing, otherwise it comes up on the front page of SN and does not look good :-P

Yep true there.
I worked it out awhile back and it's around 173 letters...?

Hahhaha gold stuff.

Anyways,

Back on topic now :-)

fucking cunt fuck farkan fucking disgrace!!!

gotta agree with you this time sheepdog.

but I guess if you spend 10 million dollars on Gestapo like uniforms it would be a waste if tbere wasn't some Gestapo like behaviour to try them out

you would hope when they catch an irish backpacker they Gestapo them up too.

this really is becoming a little ridiculous, considering their role you'd expect the uniforms to be a litrle less nazi like. who the fuck makes these decisions? all the ideology aside, the right really does have an ugly side