2022 Election

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blindboy started the topic in Saturday, 13 Nov 2021 at 7:46am

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GuySmiley Saturday, 22 Oct 2022 at 6:12pm

To sypkan’s post…

Both are elected but who do they truly represent? Both are questionable in that regard but only one spoke at CPAC and the IPA praising Murdoch and his global media empire and it wasn’t Thorpe. Enough said

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blackers Saturday, 22 Oct 2022 at 6:46pm

Agreed Guy, both senators so neither directly elected. Along with Malcolm Roberts, the UAP bloke and many others, just examples of the random results of proportional voting. But you can’t expect Sypy to do anything other than his usual shtick.

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indo-dreaming Saturday, 22 Oct 2022 at 8:15pm

It's easy to make a comparison using Jacinta and Lidia based on the fact they are both indigenous from opposite ends of the spectrum but really they are nothing alike in persona.

A better comparison with Lidia from the right is Pauline, you can't deny the passion of both, but both say and do things without thinking properly and both are drama queens happy to cause chaos even creating stunts or theatre in parliament, this incident is the type of thing Pauline would do but if it was Pauline it would be hooking up with the leader of an EV club.

Pauline get's away with it because it's her own party otherwise any party would have kicked her out long ago, but I'm surprised the Greens have put up with Lidia's antics this long.

She should be kicked out and left to come back as an independent which would suit her better.

Im betting there is also people in her party that feel the same, id expect the tip off came from those within her party that dont agree with her views on a voice to parliament which is kind of an issue for the Greens, you have this token Indigenous leader (trying to make the whitest party around appear half diverse) but she doesn't agree with you on a major indigenous issue and even worst has a reckless unhinged nature that you always have to worry about in parliament or when talking to media.

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sypkan Sunday, 23 Oct 2022 at 1:52am

I think they both represent a decent swathe of people

lidia, the blackfellas who've been promised and promised a treaty of some kind by labor for 30, 40, years or more... only to be left waiting... the old school dude on stan grants qanda special seemed pretty indifferent to the voice idea and just wanted government to get on with what they were promised

lidia also represents the green white woke mob - if that counts - but she seems to lose them on the changing the date argument, where she says she's done with symbolism, a fair position to take... symbolism's been done to death...

jacinta is also done with symbolism, be hard not to be... but the whiteys like it...

jacinta obviously represents the women who are too afraid, or not engaged enough, to speak up about violence. which is high priority both in scale and necessity... even the blackfellas (women and kids) who harbour hate for her are being rrpresented in a way, because the issue is so disasterous, pressing and widespread... yet sparingly addresed... for whatever reasons...

we don't let that happen with white women and kids, yet with blackfellas we look the other way... that's gotta be some of the most twisted forms of racism ever...

been looking the other way a long time... has it improved anything?

jacinta's main point is the voice will just empower the crew that have influenced and led us to this point, so it's hard to see anything changing with the amount of urgency required... a more than fair observation and point to make...

lets see what labor comes up with... but I can imagine we'll end up with a panel of immoveable rocks on six figure salaries - immoveable in more ways than one!

I think it may appease a lot of tensions, but will much really change?

will it truly empower those at the bottom of the heap?

a rotating council of temporary positions might be much more effective, maybe regional referendums with no salaries? or perhaps regions could elect their own representatives?

anything to overcome the propensity to entrencment...

anyway, we'll see what labor comes up with... hopefully they present something that's a positive... but their handling of it so far ain't real encouraging...

we'll end up with big money, six figure salaries and symbolism... labor loves that shit

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sypkan Sunday, 23 Oct 2022 at 1:57am

"...but I'm surprised the Greens have put up with Lidia's antics this long.

She should be kicked out..."

I know citing joe hildebrand won't win me any friends...

but he's dead right when he said the greens basically let her run loose because they are just way too pale wihout her

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GuySmiley Sunday, 23 Oct 2022 at 1:45pm

I would have thought that the same voter demographic of people in the NT and QLD (the perennially angry and disaffected by societal change) would mostly but not exclusively vote for Hanson and Price. Both spruik roughly the same conservative message of imagery threats to the status quo but Hanson unlike Price has failed to link into the CPAC/IPA rivers of cash and favourable publicity. Motivation? Look no further than self-interest.

Yes, Thorpe should go but I think the greens rules mean it’s a decision of the party not just the leader.

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blackers Sunday, 23 Oct 2022 at 2:20pm

Nice avatar Guy.

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GuySmiley Sunday, 23 Oct 2022 at 5:13pm

Cheers blackers, bananas are bountyful at the markets despite the heavy rain

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Supafreak Tuesday, 25 Oct 2022 at 1:26pm

I sincerely wish him good luck, he’s going to need it .

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 26 Oct 2022 at 7:26pm
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I would have thought that the same voter demographic of people in the NT and QLD (the perennially angry and disaffected by societal change) would mostly but not exclusively vote for Hanson and Price. Both spruik roughly the same conservative message of imagery threats to the status quo but Hanson unlike Price has failed to link into the CPAC/IPA rivers of cash and favourable publicity. Motivation? Look no further than self-interest.

Yes, Thorpe should go but I think the greens rules mean it’s a decision of the party not just the leader.

BTW forgot to reply to this

Their voter demographic might be similar in NT & QLD that down to earth hard working old school Aussie demographic but Jacinta's main focus is on indigenous related issues and for societal change not against it in this case.

Yeah sure she is also a conservative supported by conservative media and conservative organisations, even speaks at conservative conferences, which all makes completes sense, it's not like she is going to get support from Crikey or the Guardian or Get-Up or be asked to speak at some left wing conference, although I'm sure she would talk there too if given the chance.

As for motivations, suggesting she is in it just for the money or self interest is as ridiculous as when people suggest Petter Garrett entered politics just for the money, both are passionate about their politics/social issues, many might be in politics purely for money or status but its not them, i dont even think Thorpe is in politics for the wrong reasons.

The big difference when your a conservative leader is conservatives understand that money is an important part of life and politics and it makes things happen, we aren't like some on the left that are against the capitalist system there's nothing at all wrong with her taking CPAC/IPA money to support her political cause or even if she receives money for herself, again it makes complete sense you need money and support in politics and good on her.

In regard to Pauline I dont know if she gets support from them or if not why not, I'm sure she would love the support and money too, but she is a different kettle of fish she has her own view on everything not just focus on one issue and wouldn't want to be told what to think or say, Jacinta is a little different she has one passion and thats indigenous issues or even more just indgenous issues around violence in remote communities, so politics being about compromise, negotiating and take and give, im sure for return of support on her issues from CPAC/IPA, she supports others in CPAC/IPA on their issues, which her views are going to be the same or similar to anyway, so its not a huge compromise to make.

Personally I think Jacinta has to be careful though on speaking about non indigenous issues she needs to aim at a centre right LNP type demographic and not go to far right and alienate people, her focus should be on educating the wider Australian community on indigenous issues not just the right.

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andy-mac Wednesday, 26 Oct 2022 at 8:09pm
indo-dreaming wrote:
GuySmiley wrote:

I would have thought that the same voter demographic of people in the NT and QLD (the perennially angry and disaffected by societal change) would mostly but not exclusively vote for Hanson and Price. Both spruik roughly the same conservative message of imagery threats to the status quo but Hanson unlike Price has failed to link into the CPAC/IPA rivers of cash and favourable publicity. Motivation? Look no further than self-interest.

Yes, Thorpe should go but I think the greens rules mean it’s a decision of the party not just the leader.

BTW forgot to reply to this

Their voter demographic might be similar in NT & QLD that down to earth hard working old school Aussie demographic but Jacinta's main focus is on indigenous related issues and for societal change not against it in this case.

Yeah sure she is also a conservative supported by conservative media and conservative organisations, even speaks at conservative conferences, which all makes completes sense, it's not like she is going to get support from Crikey or the Guardian or Get-Up or be asked to speak at some left wing conference, although I'm sure she would talk there too if given the chance.

As for motivations, suggesting she is in it just for the money or self interest is as ridiculous as when people suggest Petter Garrett entered politics just for the money, both are passionate about their politics/social issues, many might be in politics purely for money or status but its not them, i dont even think Thorpe is in politics for the wrong reasons.

The big difference when your a conservative leader is conservatives understand that money is an important part of life and politics and it makes things happen, we aren't like some on the left that are against the capitalist system there's nothing at all wrong with her taking CPAC/IPA money to support her political cause or even if she receives money for herself, again it makes complete sense you need money and support in politics and good on her.

In regard to Pauline I dont know if she gets support from them or if not why not, I'm sure she would love the support and money too, but she is a different kettle of fish she has her own view on everything not just focus on one issue and wouldn't want to be told what to think or say, Jacinta is a little different she has one passion and thats indigenous issues or even more just indgenous issues around violence in remote communities, so politics being about compromise, negotiating and take and give, im sure for return of support on her issues from CPAC/IPA, she supports others in CPAC/IPA on their issues, which her views are going to be the same or similar to anyway, so its not a huge compromise to make.

Personally I think Jacinta has to be careful though on speaking about non indigenous issues she needs to aim at a centre right LNP type demographic and not go to far right and alienate people, her focus should be on educating the wider Australian community on indigenous issues not just the right.

Peter Garrett made way more money through the Oils than he ever did in politics. He would have been taking a pay cut.....

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Supafreak Thursday, 27 Oct 2022 at 3:46pm

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 27 Oct 2022 at 4:06pm

Speaking of energy bills, read today during the election campaign Labor promised 97 different times they would cut power bills by $275 a year.

Now there going up by 50%.

Couldn't half see that coming, i reckon sadly a lot of people believed the labor lies though.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Thursday, 27 Oct 2022 at 5:07pm
indo-dreaming wrote:

Speaking of energy bills, read today during the election campaign Labor promised 97 different times they would cut power bills by $275 a year.

Now there going up by 50%.

Couldn't half see that coming, i reckon sadly a lot of people believed the labor lies though.

Life won’t be easy under Albanese

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Supafreak Thursday, 27 Oct 2022 at 5:31pm
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Speaking of energy bills, read today during the election campaign Labor promised 97 different times they would cut power bills by $275 a year………..
@indo please correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t the promise of $275 a year supposed to be happening by 2025 ? What do you think about Angus ? Sly dog or what he did was ok and totally transparent ?
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indo-dreaming Thursday, 27 Oct 2022 at 6:17pm

Okay so let's say your power bill is $2,500.00 a year the narrative was by voting for Labor you would reduce your bill by $275.00, so people were thinking great our energy bill will be only $2,225.00 a year prices are somehow going down, when in reality they were always going to go up and all politicians knew this.

But now your saying it's by 2025?

Even then voters are still worse off.

So a $2,500.00 bill is going up by 56% so $2,500.00 +$ 1,400,00(56%) = $3,900,00

Best case scenario if they somehow reduce bills by $275.00 by 2025 means you are still paying $3,899.00 and still $1,399.00 worse off.

And thats best case scenario, the reality is once your bill goes up it's very unlikely to come back down, even in the very long term when renewables one day take over and production cost are lower, companies are very unlikely to lower prices they will just pocket more profit.

It was always a complete con job just to get votes, doesnt matter what party said it, it was never going to happen prices were always going to go up not down.

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Supafreak Thursday, 27 Oct 2022 at 6:27pm

Well actually indo it wasn’t me that said 2025 it was Labor but I like how you thought your bill was going down this year by $275 . When Chalmers made the mistake of saying it’s in the budget at least he had the decency to phone the reporter and clarify his mistake. The LNP just try to hide all their shitfuckery and complain it’s not fair when caught out . So what do you think about Angus and his cunning deceitful behavior? All good ? https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/albanese-s-election-promise-to-b...

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 27 Oct 2022 at 6:43pm

I didnt think my bill was going down i knew it was 100% BS, but a lot of people thought there bills were going down and it wasn't some behind the scenes shitfuckery it was a blatant lie just to get votes.

BTW. Your completely delusional if you dont think Labor aren't also cunning and deceptive, they are just as bad as LNP, i know you think their shit dont stink, but it stinks, it stinks worse than a 3 month dead whale rotting on the beach.

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Supafreak Thursday, 27 Oct 2022 at 7:01pm
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I didnt think my bill was going down i knew it was 100% BS, but a lot of people thought there bills were going down and it wasn't some behind the scenes shitfuckery it was a blatant lie just to get votes.

BTW. Your completely delusional if you dont think Labor aren't also cunning and deceptive, they are just as bad as LNP, i know you think their shit dont stink, but it stinks, it stinks worse than a 3 month dead whale rotting on the beach.

So no problem with Angus then indo ? All good….carry on

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andy-mac Thursday, 27 Oct 2022 at 7:54pm
Supafreak][quote=indo-dreaming wrote:

Speaking of energy bills, read today during the election campaign Labor promised 97 different times they would cut power bills by $275 a year………..
@indo please correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t the promise of $275 a year supposed to be happening by 2025 ? What do you think about Angus ? Sly dog or what he did was ok and totally transparent ?

Also previous govt hid the report of increasing energy prices until after election. Even changed legislation I believe. They really left a mess to be cleaned up. How anyone can still support them is beyond my comprehension. Angus should just shut up until he's in front of an ICAC judge ...

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andy-mac Thursday, 27 Oct 2022 at 8:19pm

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/oct/26/australian-voters...

Yep...

In terms of specifics, Reputex said if Labor was able to roll out its plan, average wholesale prices in the national electricity market would probably reduce by 18% from today’s levels (today being December 2021) and by 26% by 2030. The estimate of the saving for residential customers was $50 a megawatt hour by 2025 and $69 by 2030. Annual electricity bills for average households were therefore projected to be $275 lower by 2025 (and $378 by 2030).

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velocityjohnno Thursday, 27 Oct 2022 at 9:19pm

Nice to see the issue getting some mainstream traction - we've been harping on about it for a while here. While working in Karratha, friends in one of the company houses had an AC unit the size of a room, keeping the thing going was about $1700 per quarter in '06 iirc, East coast Oz says 'hold my beer'. If ALP follow through with a gas reservation for the east I'll be pleasantly surprised...

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oxrox Thursday, 27 Oct 2022 at 9:22pm

I read labor is going to cut funding to public hospitals by 2.4 billion over 4 years. Wow.

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andy-mac Thursday, 27 Oct 2022 at 9:22pm

Haha Dutton on 7.30.
Clown, reckon he better get back to Ray Hadley's studio for a massage....

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andy-mac Thursday, 27 Oct 2022 at 9:23pm
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I read labor is going to cut funding to public hospitals by 2.4 billion over 4 years. Wow.

Reference?

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oxrox Thursday, 27 Oct 2022 at 9:36pm

Article by abc. Journalist Stephanie Dalzell

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andy-mac Friday, 28 Oct 2022 at 6:15am
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Article by abc. Journalist Stephanie Dalzell

Cheers, will give it a read ...

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andy-mac Friday, 28 Oct 2022 at 6:30am
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Article by abc. Journalist Stephanie Dalzell

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/101585400

Cheers, will give it a read ...

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Supafreak Friday, 28 Oct 2022 at 1:08pm

. Lets see what Labor does. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/oct/27/threaten-australi...

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sypkan Friday, 28 Oct 2022 at 9:14pm
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oxrox wrote:

I read labor is going to cut funding to public hospitals by 2.4 billion over 4 years. Wow.

Reference?

I think jimmy chalmers needs a new calculator...

taking $2.4 b out of public hospitals

and providing essentially free childcare for couples on $500k

WTF?

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andy-mac Friday, 28 Oct 2022 at 9:17pm
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oxrox wrote:

Article by abc. Journalist Stephanie Dalzell

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/101585400

Cheers, will give it a read ...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/19/shiny-new-hospital...

Maybe money better spent elsewhere?On surface though, yeah not a good look....

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Supafreak Wednesday, 2 Nov 2022 at 5:54pm

I didn’t realise just how early in 2020 Scotty appointed himself joint health & finance minister. Wonder how Hunt is doing these days

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Supafreak Wednesday, 23 Nov 2022 at 7:24pm

Sky news reckons it’s going to be close . Those odds have a bigger spread than the federal election. 83-B6606-B-CCC2-431-B-A3-C5-59-B12-AA33-A6-C

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 23 Nov 2022 at 8:19pm
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Sky news reckons it’s going to be close . Those odds have a bigger spread than the federal election. 83-B6606-B-CCC2-431-B-A3-C5-59-B12-AA33-A6-C

LNP was out to $10.00 only a few days ago.

It's also not just Sky News that are saying things are looking much more even now, it's every media outlet, they were saying the same on ABC radio today.

Example "Labor and the Coalition neck-and-neck days out from the Victorian election, polling shows"
https://www.9news.com.au/national/victorian-election-labor-and-the-coali...

Seriously though forget political parties, or just imagine if Dan Andrews was with LNP.

It's absolutely crazy that Dan not only has a chance of re election but its his to lose, the guy has been a complete train wreck, especially during Covid, and has put Victoria in debt at crazy levels higher than SA, WA, NT, TAS, QLD combined and he has been under investigation for all kinds of issues of corruption and misspending.

Im not a huge fan of Matthew Guy, but it should just be a situation where people vote Dan out just because he has been so terrible, it's seriously weird though its like many are in a cult and under some spell from a cult leader, i seriously think he could do pretty much anything and some people would just go, Dans great.

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Supafreak Wednesday, 23 Nov 2022 at 8:20pm

Time to move to tassie indo ?

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 23 Nov 2022 at 8:53pm
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Time to move to tassie indo ?

Honestly I'm not very hopeful but as long as my electorate swings back to LNP i will be happy and we would be crazy not too Labor have promised us 6.1 million LNP 52.3 million.

You only have to have a look at a map and see where the problem is Melbourne is a sea of Red and then the city centre is Greens.

The older i get the more i hate cities and everything they represent, it fucks people up in every way body and mind.

If only North Qld had proper waves on the coast.

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sypkan Thursday, 24 Nov 2022 at 2:12pm

you might just get a pleasant surprise yet indo...

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/politics/mass-exodus-of-daniel...

something seriously suss about andrews, ...that's without even considering corona... which is a mammoth of a consideation to overlook...

bigger debt than NSW, QLD and TAS combined... quite an achievement...

then his justification for taking on more debt was just scary under the circumstances

no wonder he was so desperate to be china's bitch...

and corrupt as fuck

you'd have to be a self maochist idiot to give this guy your approval with your vote...

which doesn't mean Id vote for the other guy, but most certainly definitey... 'its time'

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Supafreak Thursday, 24 Nov 2022 at 2:44pm

LNP into $5 now indo , get ya money on . No offence to any victorians but I’m glad I don’t live there or had to put up with what you went through during covid , I still think dangerous dan will win though. It will be the second election the media has lost , heads will roll .

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flollo Thursday, 24 Nov 2022 at 3:26pm

I don't live in Victoria and I don't know anything about these upcoming elections. But it does look like a one-way street with the same people being elected all the time. I am actually quite surprised by this.

Back in June, I traveled to Melbourne for work. I was there for a few days and I stayed in one of the hotels on Collins street. My impression was that Melbourne is the most neglected CBD in the country. I purposely walked around and observed stuff as I do in any city. I also went for a couple of runs (7km per run) and the surface was horrible. Damaged, unsafe footpaths and dodgy pathways. I had to slow the pace down so I don't hit something at speed. On one run I followed the river east and it was quite nice initially but it turned ugly after I passed the tennis courts. That path ends nowhere, under the freeway overpasses near Richmond I think. It looked and felt super dodgy, with graffiti everywhere, and rubbish...On another occasion, I went up through the Royal Gardens, and Zoo and then back down into the CBD, following that road next to the markets. That whole run was quite difficult with the terrible conditions of the footpaths.

Overall, I had a good time and I enjoyed some good restaurants. But generally speaking, there's a lot of rubbish around (by Australian standards), graffiti everywhere, and a general lack of maintenance in the local environment. I don't know how people put up with this. And I don't know what are those city-centric MPs doing for their electorates. Based on some basic, physical observation, I would say they are not doing much at all.

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velocityjohnno Thursday, 24 Nov 2022 at 3:36pm

I think boundaries have changed on that map, Polwarth now extends toward the Torquopolis. I did note Sustainable Australia was on the senate ticket, so there's that.

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Supafreak Thursday, 24 Nov 2022 at 8:29pm

It’s not that “ dans great “ , it’s more “ how pathetic “ the LNP are .

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Craig Friday, 25 Nov 2022 at 5:47am

Wowza.

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indo-dreaming Friday, 25 Nov 2022 at 12:27pm
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you might just get a pleasant surprise yet indo...

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/politics/mass-exodus-of-daniel...

something seriously suss about andrews, ...that's without even considering corona... which is a mammoth of a consideation to overlook...

bigger debt than NSW, QLD and TAS combined... quite an achievement...

then his justification for taking on more debt was just scary under the circumstances

no wonder he was so desperate to be china's bitch...

and corrupt as fuck

you'd have to be a self maochist idiot to give this guy your approval with your vote...

which doesn't mean Id vote for the other guy, but most certainly definitey... 'its time'

Honestly this election isn't so much about LNP or Labor I'm not much of fan of Matt Guy, all i care about is a kind of justice, i just want to see the arse end of Dan.

Id be just as happy if Labor won and Dan lost his seat, very unlikely but odds are a bit better than a party win guy opponent in Dans electorate is down to $4

Dan has just become way too much of a power tripper and become way overconfident and arrogant like Kennett had he needs to go, its crazy that the majority might not agree.

Anyway voted today so done my bit.

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burleigh Friday, 25 Nov 2022 at 3:35pm

Ian Cook vs The Crook
I know its unlikely, but how good would this upset be.

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Supafreak Saturday, 26 Nov 2022 at 9:04pm

4 more years to 8-EE405-D9-4216-4-FB8-BB57-8-EE8-F2-D82-D4-B Credlin is on suicide watch

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blackers Saturday, 26 Nov 2022 at 10:42pm
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4 more years … Credlin is on suicide watch

I am sure there a few others who will be struggling, another thing to blame on Andrews.
I am quite pleased that the Libs have not been rewarded for having totally negative campaign that was only focussed on attacking the Premier with nothing to offer other than not being Dan. We don’t need pissy American Presidential type elections here.

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thermalben Sunday, 27 Nov 2022 at 6:09am

Irrespective of your preferred choice of government, the Victorian election has shown what little influence the Murdoch press has over the community these days.

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AlfredWallace Sunday, 27 Nov 2022 at 6:37am
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Irrespective of your preferred choice of government, the Victorian election has shown what little influence the Murdoch press has over the community these days.

Good, May that continue.