Are the swellnet forums turning to crap????
GuySmiley wrote:Until some hourly/daily contributors here (1) get suspended / permanently banned by SN
Yeah, we receive a few emails from people asking for person x or person y to be received. Funnily, it's not always the people you think it is.
Anyway, we're developing an interesting moderation tool that will assist the process I think. Looking forward to launching it, and seeing the reaction.
Ever thought about putting in a thumbs up / down for posts? Might avoid some of the abuse that gets posted. Instead of posting a reply to agree or disagree which can then lead to arguments, just a thumbs up or down
gragagan wrote:Ever thought about putting in a thumbs up / down for posts? Might avoid some of the abuse that gets posted. Instead of posting a reply to agree or disagree which can then lead to arguments, just a thumbs up or down
We're developing a variation on that which will be really effective. Don't want to say much more until we're ready to launch, but I think it'll certainly improve the tone of the forums in a way reflects the wishes of the community.
Great ….a sin bin voting system where the handful of resident whining ninnies can do their pile on cyber bully thing to gang vote any unpleasant opinions out of the picture. It’s not enough for them to parade their soiled nappies across the forums and emailing the editors and owners to ban those they disliked. It’s vomitous enough when they present their personal sensitivities as for the good of the community. Now they’ll get to take their hall monitor act full time.
@Guy
Bit rich, you might not agree with my views but over 90% of the time i stick to the topic at hand and only get hot headed at others if provoked or in the very rare case when become frustrated with others views, something we all do as only human.
The amount of times ive had to ignore your personal attacks and cheap trolls when im not even having any kind of discussion with you is crazy.
There is two rules you are breaking when you do this, the one on personal attacks and one about causing chaos.
Your intentions are clearly just to try to stir me up to try to push me over the edge.
So don't you dare try to claim any moral high ground.
Sounds very positive @ben, looking forward to seeing what you have planned.
Thanks Ben, like the idea a lot. Nothing wrong with improving the tone.
The endless creativity of humans.......wasted.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unproven_methods_against_COVID-19
Info, I did carefully draft an earlier post ... something along the lines of someone being simultaneously on topic and deeply offensive, something you clearly a talent for, but I then thought why bother as it would go straight over your head, so I deleted it. No reply required.
You might be offended by my views, but im also offended by your views it goes both ways.
Thats not what we are talking about, i don't care what your views are, you or anyone else should have the right to share those views as long as you don't break Swellnet rules.
But you shouldn't have the right to just come into a conversation not add anything except just blatantly attack or put down people or try to stir them up, for the only reason being you don't agree with the persons views or don't like them for some reason.
The problem is you are clearly intolerant of views that don't align with your own and don't like having your own views challenged,
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thermalben wrote:gragagan wrote:Ever thought about putting in a thumbs up / down for posts? Might avoid some of the abuse that gets posted. Instead of posting a reply to agree or disagree which can then lead to arguments, just a thumbs up or down
We're developing a variation on that which will be really effective. Don't want to say much more until we're ready to launch, but I think it'll certainly improve the tone of the forums in a way reflects the wishes of the community.
I just hope it's a fair system that doesn't penalise people based on opinion, but penalises people based on how they treat others.
For instance a thumbs down or up system that may then see the thumbs down post hidden is problematic and could create an echo chamber.
For instance if Hutchy said "Im going to vote LNP because i think they have done a good job" his post would im sure get a high number of thumbs downs and be hidden as there is not many LNP voters here and many Labor voters.
Yet someone else might say "Hutchy, your a (insert an uncalled for personal attack) because your voting LNP" and that post might get a whole heap of thumbs up.
The effect then being Hutchy is penalised just for sharing a view others dont agree with, while the other person is rewarded for a personal attack.
Personally i don't want anyone banned or anyones views censored, i just want to be able to post without people attacking me personally instead of attacking what im saying.
reading above... sigh...
all i can say is if you didn't believe the post modernist claptrap of... 'there is no such thing as objective truth... just perspectives... etc. etc." ...then here is the living proof...
the share house conundrum...
where everybody believes everybody else is the problem
enter public service style rules of engagement to please the tut tutters...
boooorrrrriiiing
not to mention....
stiiiiiiiifffling
Indo,
Who really cares who votes for whom, I just value people being respectful of other peoples view no matter which side of (so, last century view) politics you espouse... Yesterday was a nadir on Swellnet IMO, with some very ugly stuff bandied about.
Yeah was just an example of how a thumbs up thumbs down system might not work, and could just create more of an echo chamber and bully type thing.
100% agree on the premise of your post though, it's all about treating others with a degree of respect and playing the ball and not the player.
indo-dreaming wrote:Yeah was just an example of how a thumbs up thumbs down system might not work, and could just create more of an echo chamber and bully type thing.
100% agree on the premise of your post though, it's all about treating others with a degree of respect and playing the ball and not the player.
+1
it will be much more fun and interesting if we let the ol' SN timers , regulars and wild cards rotate as moderators. i like the idea of giving random power to both the stable & unstable and mix it in with some sleep deprivation and alcohol and watch the unpredictable chaos that may or may not occur.
i'm serious goddamn it and im not a lawyer.
thermalben wrote:I didn't see any posts of that nature, I just bulk deleted a whole bunch of arguments spread over fifty or so posts. So, it's difficult to comment on an individual post without context, as much as it's also difficult to comment on other posts I have been made aware of from other posters - threatening violence - without relevant context.
If you see a post that you think needs to be reported, then screenshot it and send it through, and we'll look into it. We'll also look at building some functionality along the lines of 'report this post' into the site, which will assist.
Otherwise, if it's OK with everyone else, it'd be great if I could get back to work. Got a bit on at the mo'.
"We'll also look at building some functionality along the lines of 'report this post' into the site, which will assist."
I wouldn't waste your time with this, by the sounds of it, you guys already do enough moderating. There are some deep seated grievances and petty beefs between crew on here which will render that functionality obsolete in no time flat.
Honestly, these forums are fine, for the most part it's the same crew having a crack, and they give as good as they get. If it is affecting people's mental health then I would suggest taking a break from all social media, reset and come back with a fresher perspective or don't come back at all. Broader issues at play here I reckon.
I watched almost in shock at how divided the US became when Trump ran. Just as quick and largely due to covid, Australia or at least what we are shown outside of our own everyday realities via our online presence or thru news media is easily just as split (Regardless of vacinnations rates, if that makes sense?). Forums reflect this, but the more I think of this, so do conversations at the pub, at work or with your family too. I vote keep as is.
sypkan wrote:reading above... sigh...
all i can say is if you didn't believe the post modernist claptrap of... 'there is no such thing as objective truth... just perspectives... etc. etc." ...then here is the living proof...
the share house conundrum...
where everybody believes everybody else is the problem
enter public service style rules of engagement to please the tut tutters...
boooorrrrriiiing
and the funny thing is...
whilst the public servant types are looking forward to it...
they are going to be deeply dissapointed... and straight back on the complaints line...
because despite concerns above, Im pretty sure SN will not be censoring opinion
which is exactly what some are seeking / requesting / demanding
fun times ahead...
albeit in a bland shade of brown...
baby poo brown seems appropriate
Constance B Gibson wrote:Sin bin. East Coast style. Good. BUT the SN team should be the referees. It's your game. Your rules. Your decisions.
Yes.
Constance B Gibson wrote:And let whoever sins know ON HERE, so the rest of the players can see, and maybe learn.
Yes.
Constance B Gibson wrote:Interesting comment in the other thread from you too, Ben.
To wit:
"Issue at the moment is that if we ban someone, they can't log in - so if they're a subscriber, they can't get Swellnet Pro access, so we have to cancel sub, refund etc"
Does this go some way in explaining the flagrant banning anomalies?
No. We have banned subscribers before - including some participating in this thread - and refunded their sub (pro rata). It's just a pain the arse, that's all.
Syp,
"albeit in a bland shade of brown..."
Maybe in 1982
But have to totally disagree with you, surfers are anything but bland. We're an interesting culture; expressive, demonstrative, a little edgy. Neither mainstream nor counter. Maybe in the Hinterland...
@ Facto
Thats your ill informed opinion, and you have the right to it.
But im sorry my views are based on a combination of common sense and listening and reading what others have to say including Indigenous people like Jacinta Price, Anthony Dillion, Warren Mundine and more like hours upon hours.
And the idea that employment and purpose, education, health and positive cultural change and treating people equally and not on skin colour is white noise well whatever.
Anyway this is not the thread for this discussion.
Ben Harding wrote:"We'll also look at building some functionality along the lines of 'report this post' into the site, which will assist."
I wouldn't waste your time with this, by the sounds of it, you guys already do enough moderating. There are some deep seated grievances and petty beefs between crew on here which will render that functionality obsolete in no time flat.
Reason we need this is that Stu, Craig, Jono and I (only people who have admin access) don't read every post, or even every thread.
So as an example, when last night's catfight started to take off, we had no idea it was occuring until someone emailed us. A simple alert feature will make this an easier process for users to let us know of problems.
Of course it's open to abuse but I think it'll be a step in the right direction. And it'll show we are being proactive about improving the forums and thus the quality of the community discussion.
CBG, you are going down the exact same path and narrative that has got you previous bans.
It's almost like that is what you are intentionally striving for. I just don't get it.
"I wouldn't waste your time with this, by the sounds of it, you guys already do enough moderating. There are some deep seated grievances and petty beefs between crew on here which will render that functionality obsolete in no time flat."
yep, all the problems are around personal grievances, and the deranged see this as an opportunity to activate their censorious perpetually triggered fingers...
it's gonna be fun
in a bland toned down language kind of way...
satire and unnuendo will rule the day
BTW. Facto if i was to dig up all the vile and abuse you have directed at people under your numerous handles, id be here for literally days, so im not even going to start.
Well, it's a new moon tonight, along with being a Friday, so with all the comments and tone above, I am fully expecting this thread to turn into a shitshow.
fitzroy-21 wrote:CBG, you are going down the exact same path and narrative that has got you previous bans.
It's almost like that is what you are intentionally striving for. I just don't get it.
Right idea wrong person, ask yourself who benefited most from stirring the pot yesterday to get the forum shut down, just saying
This is a famously stereotypical and classically mocked internet thread.
Site owner: We would like a politer discourse, please.
And off they go. The usual pavlovian greyhounds. Like bald men fighting over a comb.
GuySmiley wrote:fitzroy-21 wrote:CBG, you are going down the exact same path and narrative that has got you previous bans.
It's almost like that is what you are intentionally striving for. I just don't get it.
Right idea wrong person, ask yourself who benefited most from stirring the pot yesterday to get the forum shut down, just saying
Haven't been on for a few days GS, so don't know the context there. Can only guess by the commentary.
The comments from CBG above and in other threads today are almost identical in tone and context to the last few times he was put on holiday.
wally wrote:This is a famously stereotypical and classically mocked internet thread.
Site owner: We would like a politer discourse, please.
And off they go. The usual pavlovian greyhounds. Like bald men fighting over a comb.
Fair point. But what’s the alternative?
"A simple alert feature will make this an easier process for users to let us know of problems"
So a sensor that censures then censors. Makes sense..
Sorry to vague but I’d like to change my user name to my name. How do I do this ? Always enjoy reading the forums but sometimes wonder whether they have been infiltrated by posters pursuing a political agenda rather than dialogue. I like to listen to information from different sources but at times feel that I am listening to propaganda from a party machine. It’s great to have opinions but at times I feel the site has been hijacked. I want to be accountable for my opinions. Some of you .. both sides… just shit me to tears! Regards Nick Callan
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Well, those last two pages were an interesting read. There’s some real ingrained grievance culture going on. Both ways.
Chill out. If you’re getting angry at the internet, you’re losing.
thermalben wrote:wally wrote:This is a famously stereotypical and classically mocked internet thread.
Site owner: We would like a politer discourse, please.
And off they go. The usual pavlovian greyhounds. Like bald men fighting over a comb.Fair point. But what’s the alternative?
Not a criticism of you, Ben.
wally wrote:thermalben wrote:wally wrote:This is a famously stereotypical and classically mocked internet thread.
Site owner: We would like a politer discourse, please.
And off they go. The usual pavlovian greyhounds. Like bald men fighting over a comb.Fair point. But what’s the alternative?
Not a criticism of you, Ben.
Wasn't taken as a criticism at all. I acknowledge that it's a fair point, and I'm all ears for alternative solutions (of course, there are realities as to what's achievable).
Appreciate everyone's input into helping to make the forums a worthwhile experience.
GuySmiley wrote:fitzroy-21 wrote:CBG, you are going down the exact same path and narrative that has got you previous bans.
It's almost like that is what you are intentionally striving for. I just don't get it.
Right idea wrong person, ask yourself who benefited most from stirring the pot yesterday to get the forum shut down, just saying
Who benefited?
Nobody at all benefitted, even though it was all just going in circles I sure didn't want it shut down, there is zero benefit for me in it being shut down, just because i don't agree with people doesn't mean i don't want them to be able to voice their views.
Blowin was the other one involved and i cant see how it benefits him in it being shut down either.
Same deal for Hutchy, who wasn't really involved.
And It sure doesn't benefit Brutus or Blue Diamond, i actually hope the thread is cleaned up from the abuse and re opened as said may happen, i actually feel for Brutus as he wasn't involved.
I don't agree with Brutus, i actually strongly disagree with him and his views frustrate me, but i have zero issues with Brutus as a person, he conducts himself better than 90% of people here, rarely loses his cool and he can actually have a civil discussion.
This might even surprise him if he reads this, but i even don't have any issues with Blue Diamond as a person, even if he wants me banned or my views censored, he seems to lose his cool at times as many of us do, but it's rare and im not holding that against him no matter how he feels about me, again we disagree 90% of the time but he generally pretty civil, to be honest before the thread started id totally written him off, but i now know he is capable of having a discussion or debate, at one point things even went bad the other month and we worked it out and moved on.
I can seperate people views and opinions to who they are, i don't have to hate or even dislike people because they have views i don't agree with, the majority of my friends and some of my favourite family members hold views i disagree with, but in real life i just don't engage with them on those things, we know we have our differences and just agree to disagree and focus on other things.
BTW. I know how it feels to have a thread shut down that you start, dont forget my Lab leak theory thread got shut down because of trolls who had no interest in discussing the topic.
At the time i started that thread the idea was not mainstream it was just starting to being re questioned, but since then we now know its become mainstream even Biden supporting the idea and pretty much accepted as the most likely scenario, that thread could have been an interesting discussion.
I have been enjoying all the links even though I haven’t commented till just recently. Learnt a few things too. I started on this deeper understanding path years back now even converted my missus who grew up in a racist family.
I personally thought that Blowin Indo and Hutchy might have got something from that last link Connie posted.
Sent Blowin into a long diatribe instead.
seeds wrote:I have been enjoying all the links even though I haven’t commented till just recently. Learnt a few things too. I started on this deeper understanding path years back now even converted my missus who grew up in a racist family.
I personally thought that Blowin Indo and Hutchy might have got something from that last link Connie posted.
Sent Blowin into a long diatribe instead.
The one where he said Martin Luther King didn’t know what he was talking about or the one which said White people are the only racists in history?
Perhaps the best part was that the first link completely contradicted the second link. The first link ( co written by a white bloke from Canada ) said that white people should just shut up and be silent and never lecture black people about racism , whilst the second link then said that the most famous black activist in US history was wrong and that his speech should be ignored.
Lol
Brutus gets it…..but it’s White as rice Facto who can’t handle having someone he doesn’t like being seen by others as non-racist so he just keeps lying and lying. Facto thinks that people wanting to live without care for skin colour are racist. He wants segregation into race …..just like the KKK!
“blowin , it feels like to me that you seem to have made progress in dealing with racism and understanding it....as I have called you racist before because of I think what were "joke comments ".....
It's actually nice to see you standing up for all colors as equal....and we shouldn't judge people based on the color of skin.....this is the holy grail for a Country like Australia to be fulfilled“
And here’s a post that Facto ( Connie) decided to follow up by saying I was racist. But he will swear he’s just a poor victim of a conspiracy and not a snide clown with a grudge.
“Here’s one of my favourite all time bits of artwork which I’ve been meaning to share for a while but always forgot until i saw it today and decided to snap a photo. It’s a mural on a building from a place that’s pretty important to me.
What I love about it is the fact that it’s about unity. Obviously the two girls flying over the valley are metaphors for the shared cultures which have dominated Australia for the past couple of hundred years . Though I also like to think that the dual races represents the post racial world which is perhaps our shining achievement as modern humans. The idea that this is just two friends and their race is irrelevant is a beautiful sentiment and the best outcome for the globalised world we are living in. A world where intermarriage and racially -blind love will see humanity become a true melting pot.
I love the way the indigenous girl is casually guiding the Caucasian girl through the valley as though saying “Look at where we live. This was the home of my people but now it’s the home of OUR shared people.”
The ancient presence of the indigenous is represented by the face of the Dreamtime elder to the left, whilst the land itself-which has been here for an endless time before anyone got here and will be here long after we are all gone -is the majority of the picture. The wedge tail eagle accompanying the two girls speaks of the interrelationship between humans and the other living inhabitants. We are all journeying here together and we are all part of the same community.
I love the way the natural valley is the predominant feature by proportion, yet the town is shown as the inviting little built environment.
Anyway….not sure if you can zoom in on your device to check it out but I really love this work. Unity not division with our natural home as companion not mere canvass to smear with our superfluous human bullshit. It says that human frailty can let us down but hope and love for each other and the planet will always see us through.
I havent seen anyone post anything remotely racist compared to what some of the people ive met on the street in Geraldton or Carnarvon..one guy i know says "cant wait to shoot some n&*&^%s on call of duty".
He is 63 and used to live in NT. Dont know why he is so racist...he believes Aborigines were not the first race in Australia, the Aborigines according to him wiped out the original race..dont know where he gets that from...not many people like him.
Not saying your racist and take you on your word that you don’t see colour.
I’m the same but I found it thought provoking and opportunity to consider a different angle. That’s what I took from it
that conversation article was particularly trashy, surprised factobum posted it. whether I agree with them or not, his articles are usually quality
that conversation one was like an A Current Affair guide to dealing with indigenous peoples
...patronising (for all involved) and pitched at a year 9 audience.... very ACA...
actually the last few articles I've read at the conversation read like a step by step guide explainer to issues, pitched at a year 9 audience
very patronising
a bit guardian, ...'the explainer' seems to be the new journalism...
I think they are mixing up an audience not getting it, with an audience that's just not buying it...
groundswell wrote:I havent seen anyone post anything remotely racist compared to what some of the people ive met on the street in Geraldton or Carnarvon..one guy i know says "cant wait to shoot some n&*&^%s on call of duty".
He is 63 and used to live in NT. Dont know why he is so racist...he believes Aborigines were not the first race in Australia, the Aborigines according to him wiped out the original race..dont know where he gets that from...not many people like him.
God a video from an indigenous lady from there that was doing the rounds on Facebook about Cleo's abducter was pretty heavy and out there, if the stuff she was saying was coming from anyone but an indigenous person it would be pulled from FB instantly, im not buying into what she was selling, but there clearly seems to be a lot of infighting between different clans and families up there.
BTW. Feel for the indigenous guy that got his photo's used on a channel 7 article, i see he is suing them, and good on him, he deserves to be compensated.
Yeah that guy will probably be hassled for the rest of his life.
Just curious swellnet , has blowin been sin binned ?
Fitzroy-21 made a good point in the other thread. (cut & pasted below)
"Years ago, we used to all post quite freely on here with opinions and thoughts on some great discussions. There would be some great piss takes, laughter and occasionally things would need to be reigned in if it got a little heated. It was just that, opinions and thoughts. Didn’t hurt anyone, gave an insight into differences and views you may not have previously considered.
Lately it has just become a toxic shit show. The amount of times I have written out a post to then just delete it, shut the lap top and walk away because I just couldn’t be fucked with the stupidity. There a now a couple of posters that have just ruined the whole culture of the place. The fact is, these posters are not just ordinary, run of the mill vanilla fuckwits, they are A-grade top shelf fuckwits. Swellnets self-appointed sheriffs.
I can only imagine what would have happened if old mate Wellymon had bought up the subject of bigfoot/sasquatch these days."