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Sheepdog started the topic in Friday, 18 Sep 2020 at 11:51am

The "I can't believe it's not politics" thread.

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Vic Local Sunday, 24 Oct 2021 at 6:17pm

I knew the wife basher was going to claim victim status on this one. What a pathetic little POS this bloke is. It wouldn't shock me if the flog actually asked his idiot fan base for some cash to help him get over the trauma.
Info would probably kick in a few bucks to help poor Avi.

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GuySmiley Sunday, 24 Oct 2021 at 7:16pm

I also watched both info and therefore deleted my original link and unfollowed that insta account as I don’t like being played wherever the truth sits. I note Avi’s and his minders aggression in a previously relaxed dining setting.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 24 Oct 2021 at 7:59pm

Fair enough i respect that view.

I think both were at fault in a sense, people abusing him when not needed, basically asking for a confrontation, and that bald guy was getting aggressive and in his face.

But on the flip side his security didn't need to get that physical either must be getting close to crossing some line on appropriate force used.

You could say Avi could just have ignored them, but in doing so he misses out on another clip, so really they are just playing into his hands.

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tubeshooter Sunday, 24 Oct 2021 at 8:31pm

Avi is quite a knob ,but yeah , If your'e genuinely trying to enjoy a quiet meal outdoors then screaming abuse at anyone passing by for whatever reason is more than likely going to illicit some sort of response . Security was a tad aggressive and could have arguably handled that better . Also ,Avi could have taken the higher ground and laughed it off but chose not to.
All concerned acted like a bunch of idiots.
It was still quite a funny vid to watch all round. Some of the action in the background was equally as hilarious. The guy with the glasses directing the cops where to go , the girl who jumps in as the cops show up , some workers not sure what to do. etc

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indo-dreaming Monday, 25 Oct 2021 at 7:46am

I watched some other videos taken by bystanders last night to get a different perspective.

I had to laugh as Avi's camera man appears to be Asian, then Avi is a Jewish man of colour, and with Avi was Ruskin another Youtuber whom is Sri Lankan, the diversity that the left crave.

Meanwhile you have a bunch of mostly white middle aged mean abusing them and getting aggressive even calling some women the C word.

Funny world.

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Snuffy Smith Monday, 25 Oct 2021 at 8:31am

Avi v Duane

and the winner is?

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Supafreak Monday, 25 Oct 2021 at 8:54am

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indo-dreaming Monday, 25 Oct 2021 at 9:19am
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Avi v Duane

and the winner is?

Flicked through the whole video twice including the completely fucked up smack head looking dude with terrible tats at the start, and couldn't see anything to do with Avi???

What would Avi debate about anyway, he is a reporter who reports stories and gives an insight into others views, those views aren't necessarily his own views, hence why he says in the video from yesterday, "how do you know I'm not vaccinated?"

I honestly hope Avi wouldn't bother getting in a debate with nobodies, plenty of channels try to ride his coat tails to get exposure, it was disappointing even when he gave that freak Tom Tankui exposure.

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adam12 Monday, 25 Oct 2021 at 9:14am

"

I watched some other videos taken by bystanders last night to get a different perspective.

I had to laugh as Avi's camera man appears to be Asian, then Avi is a Jewish man of colour, and with Avi was Ruskin another Youtuber whom is Sri Lankan, the diversity that the left crave.

Meanwhile you have a bunch of mostly white middle aged mean abusing them and getting aggressive even calling some women the C word.

Funny world."
Indo you are the most pissweak right wing culture warrior on the internet. Lift your game, it's getting painful watching you turn yourself inside out trying to score against the 'left'.

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indo-dreaming Monday, 25 Oct 2021 at 9:21am

Dude Guy posted the video yesterday hence the conversation, take a chill pill dude.

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Vic Local Monday, 25 Oct 2021 at 5:15pm

"he is a reporter who reports stories"
The scary thing is ID, you're actually serious.
Avi is a grifter, and he makes money off his idiot audience. He doesn't do any reporting. He goes to rallies to start arguments, films them, and then feeds his chooks.
Whenever the wife basher gets held to account for his shitfuckery, he jumps straight to victimhood and then asks his audience for cash, usually to fund some vexatious lawsuit. The funny thing is, he keeps losing case after case after case. After each loss he either claims he's won, or chucks the toys out of the cot.
You'd have to have shit for brains to think the wife-bashing grifter is a "reporter".

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indo-dreaming Monday, 25 Oct 2021 at 6:00pm

@VL

Im sure Avi doesn't care what you think, i don't care what you think, and im sure his 593K subscribers don't care what you think.

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Vic Local Monday, 25 Oct 2021 at 6:25pm
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@VL

Im sure Avi doesn't care what you think, i don't care what you think, and im sure his 593K subscribers don't care what you think.

If Avi didn't care what I thought he wouldn't have blocked me from his social media sites when I called him a wife-bashing grifter.

If you didn't care what I think, you wouldn't have responded when I said you had shit for brains for thinking Avi was a reporter.

As for the wife basher's audience, well they are just suckers. Quick question ID, do you donate money to the wife basher for his lawsuits / retirement fund?

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indo-dreaming Monday, 25 Oct 2021 at 7:05pm

You're a fuck witt VL and an A grade one at that.

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gragagan Monday, 25 Oct 2021 at 7:09pm
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For those on the MP, contact your local MP.
https://www.theage.com.au/environment/conservation/health-concerns-over-...

Yep it's nasty stuff. Used to work over a hill from a quarry where they crushed quartz, at the end of every day everything would be covered in this fine silica dust. Luckily I was working offsite.

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san Guine Tuesday, 26 Oct 2021 at 9:10am

Here's is some promising Australian research, on MRSA:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/oct/26/australian-discovery-bri...

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Hutchy 19 Tuesday, 26 Oct 2021 at 9:45am

SG - does this mean antibiotics will NOT become ineffective in the future ?

So proud on how Australia bats so high in the order in many important fields .

Did you have a look at 4DX ? Clinical trial results should be out in the next 2 months .

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san Guine Tuesday, 26 Oct 2021 at 11:13pm

"does this mean antibiotics will NOT become ineffective in the future ?"
Don't know about that Hutch, but there have been minimal new antibiotics developed in the last 20 years. Hence any adjunct that can improve efficacy of the AB's we already have, is very welcome...early days on that front.

As they stated in the article AB's have been the cornerstone of modern medicine, if more superbugs develop AB resistance without the medicines to combat them, then humanity as we know it is in deep trouble.

My opinion only, I think COVID19 (which is viral and therefore not sensitive to AB's), is just a warning shot across the bows...

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Blowin Wednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 6:23am

Totally not authoritarian. Totally in the spirit of democracy. Dictator Dan really going for it now.

https://theconversation.com/victorias-draft-pandemic-law-is-missing-one-...

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Hutchy 19 Wednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 7:46am

The power Dan wants is gobsmacking . Does ANYONE think now it hasn't gone to his head ?

Think Australia Has Become Too Orwellian? Victoria Premier Dan Andrews Says "Hold My Beer."
BY BLUEAPPLES
TUESDAY, OCT 26, 2021 - 9:48
It seemed that Australia had reached the pinnacle of becoming a dystopian phantasmagoria when it implemented state-wide surveillance apps to track citizens in order to assure "compliance" with draconian lockdowns. In proving that tyranny has no bounds, the initiative which many viewed as the apex of authoritarianism in Australia should have been seen as a preface instead of a climax. The next phase of Victoria Premier Dan Andrew's totalitarian takeover begins when his state's parliament resumes today and the Public Health and Wellbeing (Pandemic Management) Bill 2021 is introduced into the lower house of its legislature.

With Victoria's current state of emergency set to expire on December 15th, the new legislation would make its conclusion a moot point by permanently replacing it in effect. The bill would consolidate power into the hands of Andrews by giving him and his health minister unilateral power in declaring pandemic-related states of emergency in the state and issuing new health orders without them being brought to a vote by parliament. Under the proposed law, all that is necessary for the authorization of any new emergency declaration is that the Victorian Premier must offer a report to the parliament that includes the advise offered by the Victoria Health Minister and Chief Health Officer. These declarations can apply to the whole of Victoria that Andrews has jurisdiction over or specified areas of the state on a more limited basis.

While declarations are limited to an initial period of 4 weeks, the law also states that there is no limit on the number of times they can be extended. All that is necessary for implementing a 3-month extension of any declaration is that the Premier's Office consults with its Chief Health Officer before authorization. Though the expansion of powers that would be granted to Andrews would also establish a prerequisite for his office to consult with a public health committee as well, critics view that measure as little-more than ceremonial.

Once any pandemic declaration is introduced by the Premier, the Health Minister of Victoria would have the express authority to issue a pandemic order under their belief that it is necessary to protect public health. Pandemic orders made by the Health Minister would allow them to order the detention of citizens as well as forced medical examinations and testing.

The punitive measures designed to enforce pandemic health orders are unlike any Australia has seen. Clause 29 of the proposed legislation designates failing to comply with any pandemic order as "an activity that involves an immediate risk to the health and safety of a person." If the law passes then individuals who violate any public health orders face fines of up to $90,000. Businesses found to be non-compliant would risk being fined as much as $450,000. Part 2 of the bill perhaps best represents the authoritarian measures it would allow by enabling the Victorian government to imprison individuals for 2 years if they have been deemed to knowingly violate a pandemic order which puts others at "serious risk."

While the bill has been viewed as another instance of Andrews taking advantage the coronavirus pandemic to increase his power, the proposed legislation does not limit his would-be authority to public health considerations regarding COVID-19 alone. The language of the bill also would codify that health orders issued by Andrews' office could be made under the ambiguous terms of being in the interest of stopping "a disease of pandemic potential."

It's clear that Andrews' support of the severe measures included in the Public Health and Wellbeing (Pandemic Management) Bill 2021 are not something he would be held accountable to. Earlier this month, the Victoria Premier was caught on video violating existing pandemic orders by walking around without wearing a mask. Despite this infraction, Andrews was fined just $400 ASD after being found to have not worn a mask on two separate occasions during the same week. If an expansion of his pandemic powers is approved, it's doubtful that he will be among the Australian citizens who could forced into detained in a quarantine camp anytime soon.

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freeride76 Wednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 11:11am

"It seemed that Australia had reached the pinnacle of becoming a dystopian phantasmagoria when it implemented state-wide surveillance apps to track citizens in order to assure "compliance" with draconian lockdowns. "

I know that was proposed by the SA State Govt as a trial for home quarantine (instead of hotel quarantine).
Did it actually happen Hutchy?

And has any other state used it?

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Hutchy 19 Wednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 1:30pm

Not sure Freeride and not keen to research . I decided , years ago , for my own sanity not to read the detail and commit to memory Dan's decisions .

The old saying goes " governments lose elections , oppositions don't win them ".

He caused the deaths of 650 people with his Hotel quarantine decision that NO ONE could remember being made .

Caught red handed using unauthorised money to for campaigning .

Locked us down more than any city in the world for limited benefit . Built Rings of Steel .

Another inquiry now which may cause shit to be thrown at him .

More stuff ups than a taxidermist and I think he would be favourite to win the next election .

He has taken the definition of Teflon to a new high .

People like Viclocal are conservative here in Vic . We have the only Green electorate .

Even my electorate has a LNP member like Turnbull .

No wonder I get compared to one of the old grumpy blokes on The Muppet Show .

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Constance B Gibson Wednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 1:32pm
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Hutchy 19 Wednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 2:12pm

Gee the Advocate digs deep to show their views .

"They say -While Queensland, WA and the territory have remained almost completely free of lockdowns for the best part of this year – most people would assume that now would be a good time for the opposition to start positioning themselves as a more competent alternative to Victoria’s current government.

Despite all of this, a literally broken man who has imprisoned his own constituents for close to 300 days, is still looking like the better option than the soft-handed toffs on the other side of the aisle."

Dictator Dan is a softer option than the LNP because of some horrid belief that none of them have a no one has heard of or would believe . Do you ?

Thanks for wasting my time Connie with this dribble . Close your mouth please .

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Hutchy 19 Wednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 2:14pm

Gee the Advocate digs deep to show their views .

"They say -While Queensland, WA and the territory have remained almost completely free of lockdowns for the best part of this year – most people would assume that now would be a good time for the opposition to start positioning themselves as a more competent alternative to Victoria’s current government.

Despite all of this, a literally broken man who has imprisoned his own constituents for close to 300 days, is still looking like the better option than the soft-handed toffs on the other side of the aisle."

Dictator Dan is a softer option than the LNP because of some horrid belief that none of them have a no one has heard of or would believe ? Do you ?

Thanks for wasting my time Connie with this dribble . Close your mouth please .

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Constance B Gibson Wednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 2:37pm

Double, double, toil & trouble!

Anyway, more in the 'Right up some's alley' dept:

https://independentaustralia.net/business/business-display/the-gowards-p...

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san Guine Wednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 2:51pm

This,
'Goward has let us in on something she probably shouldn’t as she reveals a glinting treasure dropped from the firmament that sits above the crucible of power in this country — she tells us how they really feel about us.'

and,
'There are Pru Gowards in every safe seat in this country, in our public institutions and academia — their cloistered minds write our articles and their think-tanks shape our military and strategic future.'

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Hutchy 19 Wednesday, 27 Oct 2021 at 5:35pm

You are right SG . This,
'Goward has let us in on something she probably shouldn’t as she reveals a glinting treasure dropped from the firmament that sits above the crucible of power in this country — she tells us how they really feel about us.'

and,
'There are Pru Gowards in every safe seat in this country, in our public institutions and academia — their cloistered minds write our articles and their think-tanks shape our military and strategic future.'

But for every one of her type in power there are 2 or 3 Viclocal types in power .

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Blowin Thursday, 28 Oct 2021 at 5:56am

78% of all serious Covid reactions are linked to obesity and being overweight. Remembering that Covid is THE first, last and only form of ill health which the world is concerned about enough to destroy any concept of appropriate response, now we are told that to even discuss tackling the contributing factor in over three quarters of severe illness is dangerous?

Shutter the nation, gaol and fine people who go outside without permission but conversing about the best possible way to mitigate the effects of the virus is unacceptable!

https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/health-and-wellness/as-lockdown-ended-n...

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Vic Local Thursday, 28 Oct 2021 at 6:54am

Still pushing the "let it rip" angle blowin. Seen what is happening in Brazil champ?
Your fellow traveller Bolsanaro implemented a policy you favour, the bodies piled up, and it looks like he's going to spend some time in the big house.
You've complained about every single measure governments in Australia has taken to limit covid infections. Lockdowns, waaaah, can't go to indo for a surf holiday, waaaaaah, passports, waaaaaaah, vaccines, waaaaaaaaaaaaaah, border closures. Pretty pathetic blowin and I think we all know exactly what would happen in Australia if you got your way.

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Blowin Thursday, 28 Oct 2021 at 7:34am

If I had my way you’d be trussed up in the town square and punters would be queuing up around the block to kick you in the nuts.

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blindboy Thursday, 28 Oct 2021 at 8:01am

Ah yes, what is the answer to disagreement? VIOLENCE! Kick 'em in the nuts, punch 'em in the head, kneecap them.

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 28 Oct 2021 at 8:12am
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Ah yes, what is the answer to disagreement? VIOLENCE! Kick 'em in the nuts, punch 'em in the head, kneecap them.

Better alternative to violence is, riot on the streets, loot business, smash windows, setshit alight, just smash shit up, as long as people dont die, it's not violence.

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 28 Oct 2021 at 8:15am
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78% of all serious Covid reactions are linked to obesity and being overweight. Remembering that Covid is THE first, last and only form of ill health which the world is concerned about enough to destroy any concept of appropriate response, now we are told that to even discuss tackling the contributing factor in over three quarters of severe illness is dangerous?

Shutter the nation, gaol and fine people who go outside without permission but conversing about the best possible way to mitigate the effects of the virus is unacceptable!

https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/health-and-wellness/as-lockdown-ended-n...

Cant read link as reached monthly limit.

But interesting, never thought of that aspect but it makes complete sense as it's an infection that affects the lungs and people whom are obese loose breath easily.

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blindboy Thursday, 28 Oct 2021 at 8:18am

I have never advocated rioting Indo, which is violence. In the case of BLM it is a classic case of violence creating violence. The continuing violent oppression of black Americans generates a violent response. Textbook example.

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 28 Oct 2021 at 8:24am

Most that create violence always have a justification.

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Vic Local Thursday, 28 Oct 2021 at 8:29am

OK blowin. Take your pills and try not to punch anybody's teeth out today.

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Constance B Gibson Thursday, 28 Oct 2021 at 12:15pm

Hah! Blowies and dead cats. An inextricable team!

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Constance B Gibson Thursday, 28 Oct 2021 at 12:18pm

Speaking of 'dead cats'...

The making of a Liberal god ( Crikey and Guy Rundle )

"If the jowly, happy-clappy Scott Morrison can scrape his way back into power he will indeed become the Liberals' sainted one.

Well with Labor on 54-46, the Coalition being battered by internal disunity, evidence of profligate and politicised spending, and an election looming, we are on the edge of … Scott Morrison clawing back enough support with the assistance of his News Corp buddies to eke out a narrow victory once more.
It’ll be ghastly if it happens, days or weeks in the sorting out, recounts in seats like Bass and Macquarie, a plurality rather than majority sought, and Rebekha Sharkie or some such suddenly the kingmaker.
If it does, Morrison, the jowly blue-singleted man-boobed happy-clappy from the Shire, will join the pantheon of Liberal gods. Not at the very centre of the assembly of the gods; somewhere in the middle, like those minor Roman gods of horse stirrups or sneezing.

But a god he will be, having got a full term, won two elections, and cemented a 30-year era as a Coalition one.

The bare consolation for the rest of us will be the consignment of Tony Abbott from a single paragraph in history to a footnote, after Earle Page, the philosopher prince of the right reduced to a trivia quiz question.

Morrison’s moves at the moment show why he might just be the bloke who can do this. He has the right instinct for the supreme political virtue, the capacity to cut your losses and move on when you’ve lost a fight. Howard and Hawke had this in plenty; Morrison only just gets there.

For days he gets stuck in some combo of indecision, fear, recalcitrance, who knows? And maybe his shifts only come after days locked in a room with a team of advisers yelling at him to do the obvious, who knows with that also? But shift he does, and history has shown that that is most of what the Australian people want from a politician in recent times: to concede the bleeding obvious and move on. That is not to portray the Morrison command into some sort of thrumming machine of political efficiency. Lurching from crisis to crisis appears to be its default management style.

The net zero plan is a piece of butcher’s paper with the words “do stuff” written in crayon. There appears to be some spirit of gonzo joy in the way they do this, seeing what they can get away with. Most likely that’s just the view from the outside, as ScoMo’s team of desperate mediocrities, drawn disproportionately from the ranks of the happy clappies, try to measure up to the basic tasks of modern politics. But it sure looks like they’re having fun.

Should they lose the election, the moment when they lost it was almost certainly when Barnaby Joyce was returned to lead the Nationals. Whatever he may do in warding off extra-right challenges in the bush, from One Nation to the Shooters, he is poison in the city.

The Coalition benefits from the Country/National party when its leader speaks softly on the national stage, acting as haha wise elder and as a back-of-the-ute populist in the bush, away from media scrutiny. Black Jack McEwan was the last leader before Joyce to play populism on the national stage, and though he was replaced before the 1972 election the damage was done, and it helped Labor look commanding and the Coalition in disarray. Joyce, bless his gammon face, has done the same. He has the political appeal in the city of dead carp rotting in the sun on a riverbank, and nothing will fully remove the stink. The only question is what the Coalition can do to detract from it.

The answer of course is culture wars. The answer is always culture wars. They always work to some degree for the right, because they know that progressives will always fall for it, just cannot resist the bait.

The Pru Goward extravangaza last week was case in point. As the smoking gun document for the Berejiklian affair lands — with some disgusted adviser having named, in writing, the “Daryl McGuire Centre for Clay Pigeon Shooting Excellence” — progressives fell over themselves to assail Goward’s piece of performative bourgeois stupidity about “the proles”.

Doubtless Goward believes what she writes, but how useful it was as an example of the “dead cat on the table” school of politics (dead cats, dead carp — much more rotting flesh laid around and we can get a Visual Arts Board grant).

The right depends on this asymmetry in the culture wars. It knows we care about ideas, and good writing, and truth, and oppression, and people not being denigrated, and it doesn’t give a rats about any of that. It cares about power and soft furnishings and the scratch on the Audi, and the kids articling with Clayton Utz, and that’s about it. It doesn’t have to fake moments like Amanda Stoker’s disdain for the archives she’s meant to be responsible for, full of “old things” which “decay”‘, big deal, have you seen what old newspapers do to cream upholstery ewwwww.

The right knows we feel we can’t not respond in the name of memory against forgetting blah blah, it knows it’s nihilist, and doesn’t care, which is pretty essential to being a nihilist.

The latest salvo is Alan Tudge’s totalitarian idea of history education as a device for imparting a series of fixed, politically set, truths about our past, as the means to a specific ideological result — Anzac Day as a recruitment device, education as affirming, rather than questioning, whether the country is all that great.

Tudge is a drippy, creeping, Jesus type who appears to have got a big dose of Noel Pearson’s bulldust working at the Cape York Institute when young, and so he too no doubt believes the vaguely hysterical-historical idea of Anzac as some unquestionable myth to be imparted. But once again, the right knows it drives us nuts. Over time, from the Howard years to the Morrison period, such initiatives have got cruder and cruder. Howard talked about “black armbands” and maybe we’ve got too guilt-ridden and so on. Tudge wants, or purports to want, an end to all debate on Australia’s greatness.

This stuff will come around fortnightly or so I presume, until the election. Deprived of climate as a culture war battlefield — that battle is now on our terrain — the Coalition has no choice but to try one last round of skirmishes. It must know that these opportunities are running out too, and that the era of the culture wars — at least in the major cities — is coming to an end.

The knowledge society, genuine multicultural population profiles, 30 years of the internet, 15 years of social media … the whole idea of cultural fixity has become unfixed for large sections of the population. We’re now here, in the future. We’ve arrived. Morrison had enough nous to recognise that in his climate position shift, and he got away with doing what killed Turnbull.

Labor has eaten away at the Coalition’s lead by a thousand small skirmishes. But when the campaign starts, and it has some genuine space to make its argument, it is going to have to mount a full-force evisceration of the Coalition, a crushing case for the prosecution, or ScoMo will slip the pincer movement, save the furniture, mix the metaphors, and emerge victorious to sit in the Liberal pantheon once more."

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Vic Local Thursday, 28 Oct 2021 at 5:36pm

Interesting piece Constance B Gibson.
I have a slightly different theory. Morrison and the corrupt LNP scum are so bad they only have one road to victory at the next ballot.
It comes in the form of a very fat miner who screwed his workers, and is pedalling endless Covid BS.
Palmer got the LNP over the line last time. Since then it's been an absolute shit show. About the only thing Scumo has done right was to form a national cabinet for Covid. Thank fuck the premiers of all political persuasions stared the happy clapping lunatic down.
Anyway back to Palmer. His gig is to whip up the anti-vax, anti-lockdown nutters into a frenzy. Peel away 5% of the vote (half Lib half Lab) and deliver the lunatic vote to the conservatives via preferences.
2022 could be just like 2019, where a small minority of profoundly stupid voters determine who wins and loses. Hopefully enough small l Lib voters have worked out scumo is a complete fraud and Palmers antics don't achieve anything.
My gut feel is that the LNP are so despised in Vic and WA, the LNP will be too far back no matter what Palmer does.

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Constance B Gibson Thursday, 28 Oct 2021 at 6:07pm

"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the Australian people."

Sad but true.

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Blowin Friday, 29 Oct 2021 at 7:18am

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you …..Kristina Keneally,

https://truecrimenewsweekly.com/kristina-keneallys-corrupt-cop-son-lied-...

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Optimist Friday, 29 Oct 2021 at 7:38am

Gee Blowin, who would have thought bullshit would run in her family. She’s such a credible mentor.

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Hutchy 19 Friday, 29 Oct 2021 at 9:44am

Kristina Keneally is overrated imo .

We will see in the next election if her electorate that she muscled into agree .

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Hutchy 19 Friday, 29 Oct 2021 at 10:35am

From Zerohedge

In a controversial passage in Plato’s “Republic,” Socrates introduced the idea of the “noble lie” (“gennaios pseudos”).

A majestic fiction, he says, could sometimes serve society by persuading uninformed citizens of something good for them.

I like this one that Dan the Man used when he couldn't remember who made the murderous decision on hotel quarantining . "In some of these cases, when caught and exposed, the liars will hedge by claiming temporary amnesia."

"Fauci misled the country about mask-wearing during the pandemic by claiming they were of little use. But he argued that he lied so the public would not make a run on masks, deplete the supply, and thus rob medical professionals of protective equipment.

Fauci also told “noble” lies about the likely percentage of the public needing to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity. He kept raising the bar—from 60 percent to 70 percent to 75 percent to 80 percent, to 85 percent.

Apparently, Fauci feared a lower figure, even if accurate, might lull people into complacency about getting inoculated.

Fauci also lied about his own role in routing U.S. aid money to subsidize gain-of-function viral research at the Wuhan virology lab—the likely birthplace of COVID-19."

"Former FBI directors Andrew McCabe and James Comey likely misled the nation.

McCabe admittedly lied that he did not leak FBI information to the media.

James Comey lied under oath on multiple occasions in congressional cross-examinations and claimed he did not know or could not remember basic facts about his own role in promoting the Russian collusion hoax.

Apparently, Comey and McCabe believed that by being less than truthful, they might better emasculate Donald Trump. And that result would be beneficial to America.

Our former intelligence leaders may have been the most brazen liars.

Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper lied to Congress about the NSA surveillance program, though he denied it.

When caught in the untruth, Clapper reverted to the noble lie that he gave the least untruthful answer, apparently on the pretense that he did not wish to damage the reputation of an important intelligence agency.

Ditto John Brennan, the former head of the CIA. On two occasions he lied under oath about the agency’s monitoring of Senate staffers’ computers and the deaths of civilians caused by U.S. drone assassination missions along the Afghanistan border.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Mark Milley lied for days about the details of an accidental drone strike that killed innocent women and children in Afghanistan."

Scomo probably lied that he believes we can get to net zero in 2050 .

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Hutchy 19 Friday, 29 Oct 2021 at 10:43am

Another case of someone being treated unfairly for being white and male . It happens on this thread tooooo regularly . I have been accused of having a White mentality .

A former top healthcare executive in North Carolina was awarded $10 million in a 'reverse' discrimination lawsuit over his claim that he was unfairly fired because he is a white male, according to Winston-Salem Journal.

David Duvall, a former senior vice president of marketing and communication at Novant Health, sued the North Carolina-based company in 2019 after losing his job in July 2018 due to its campaign to diversify top execs. He said he was fired without warning or explanation (just days before reaching his five year work anniversary, a milestone that would have awarded him a higher severance payout than what he was given).

Winston-Salem Journal.

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Vic Local Friday, 29 Oct 2021 at 11:55am

Give it a rest Hutchy. zero hedge and the poor white male victims who want multi-million dollar payouts.
This type of garbage gives conservatives a bad name.