Australia - you're standing in it

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Sheepdog started the topic in Friday, 18 Sep 2020 at 11:51am

The "I can't believe it's not politics" thread.

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Blowin Tuesday, 12 Oct 2021 at 5:04pm
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It's just non stop antagonism with you today hey? Did you just wake up and thought you'd go out of your way to piss off every person you came across.

I only ever have a go at the muppets. They all got many, many chances before I decided I was done listening to their rubbish.

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Hutchy 19 Tuesday, 12 Oct 2021 at 5:09pm

I thought boxy was talking to BB - Blowin .

Being unaware of the history of SN will mean I make mistakes . I have no firm idea of Connies sex , only suspicions .

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blindboy Tuesday, 12 Oct 2021 at 5:59pm

Ha ha, it might have been Hutchy. I suppose we'll never know now!

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blindboy Wednesday, 13 Oct 2021 at 8:48am

Ross Gittins directing a well deserved boot at our corporate parasites and their political enablers.

“But is that the whole story? My mate’s looking at it from a different angle: what do the many failed attempts to hand service delivery to for-profit operators say about the ethics and trustworthiness of Australia’s business people?
That, for a surprising number of them, if you see some money lying around with nobody watching, you grab it? That while ripping-off customers is unethical and will soon get you a bad reputation, overcharging “the government” is a harmless, victimless crime? No human was hurt in the making of this profit?
One of the first government services to be outsourced was childcare. Before long, a single company bought up more than half the childcare centres, expanded overseas and then collapsed. To avoid leaving many parents in the lurch, government had to step in and sort it – at great expense.
Much of the sector remains privately owed. Last week the United Workers Union produced a report finding that three-quarters of the 12,000 enforcement actions taken since 2015 were against for-profit providers. ”

“An accountants’ report for the royal commission into aged care found that, using a common definition of profit (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortisation) for-profit aged care providers in the second-highest quartile had a profit margin of 16 per cent, compared with 13 per cent for non-profits and 4 per cent for state government providers in 2018. Return on equity was 12 per cent for non-profit providers and 72 per cent for for-profit providers."

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/how-flimflam-politicians-cul...

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Blowin Wednesday, 13 Oct 2021 at 8:53am

From the horse’s mouth. AKA watching corruption unfold in real time :

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Perrottet: “Adding more people isn’t a sustainable economic strategy”
By Unconventional Economist in Australian Politics
Yesterday, I reported on the NSW Government’s dastardly plan to double Australia’s pre-COVID immigration intake to more than 400,000 people a year, which would “see the population swell by 2 million by 2026”:

Mr Perrottet on Monday said the borders need to be opened up amid a “general labour” shortage to ensure a healthy economic recovery.

“If we lose this opportunity, those skilled migrants will go to other countries,” he said. “We won’t get those engineers, those accountants, they’ll commit to other projects”…

I won’t go into the reasons why this plan is reckless, since I mentioned these yesterday.

Instead, I’ll simply relay Dominic Perrottet’s own arguments against “extraordinarily high rates of immigration” from when he was NSW Treasurer.

First, here’s an extract from an Op-Ed written by Perrottet published in The Australian in November 2018:

“Merely adding more people isn’t a sustainable economic strategy…

More important, we can’t pretend that high immigration comes without a cost, and we believe growth should not impose an unfair burden on those already here.

Excessively rapid growth puts downward pressure on wages and upward pressure on housing ­prices, both of which have sorely stung workers and aspiring homeowners in Sydney and other parts of NSW for a decade.

It also means more people on trains, more cars, more students in our schools and more patients at hospitals. And it’s the NSW government, not the federal government, that is responsible for providing the necessary support for the surging population.

When you look at the numbers, it’s no surprise communities in Sydney are feeling the pressure…

In 2006, annual net overseas migration to Australia increased to roughly double its average pace across the preceding 25 years…

Even if the NSW population stayed at today’s level, it would take time to complete the work so that our communities could be more liveable, our commute times more manageable, and our schools and hospitals more capable of offering exceptional care rather than just coping.

Instead, extraordinarily high rates of immigration risk pushing those outcomes beyond our grasp. And it’s a problem state governments are powerless to solve on their own because we have no say in the national immigration rate.”

Second, here is a Radio 2GB interview from 2018 whereby Perrottet described mass immigration as “lazy economics”:

“We don’t have a seat at the table when it comes to the rate of immigration into the country and there’s no doubt a lot of that immigration comes to Sydney”

“Whilst the federal government gets the benefit of the income tax, it is the state government that has to foot the bill for the infrastructure associated with that intake.”

“Simply because the Treasury bureaucrats might tell you that putting more people, economic growth continues to drive, that is lazy economics. What is more substantive is actually getting productivity reforms across a whole range of areas. But at the same time, what we are asking for here is a breather on immigration, to have a seat at the table and make sure that NSW as we grow, we grow well”.

Finally, here’s Perrottet complaining in 2019 that states like NSW wear the costs of immigration:

“We continue to not get our fair share of infrastructure investment,” NSW Treasurer Dominic Perrottet said.

“Victoria and NSW have the lowest rate of commonwealth infrastructure investment on a per capita basis. The federal government get all the benefits of immigration but we get all the costs.”

Maybe Dominic Perrottet should follow his own advice instead of pursuing lazy and destructive mass immigration-led growth.

If NSW Labor leader Chris Minns had any sense, he would run hard on a lower immigration platform.

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blindboy Wednesday, 13 Oct 2021 at 3:19pm

This would be the funniest thing in a long time....if the attempt was not so threatening to our freedom.

"That's a charge? God, it's not even a walk through the park. It's inane," the magistrate replied."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-13/magistrate-adjourns-police-applic...

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Sheepdog Friday, 15 Oct 2021 at 5:20pm

One thing's for sure. Internet chat forums sure brings the best out in people.

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san Guine Saturday, 16 Oct 2021 at 10:47am

Also know your 'poison' . The drug wheel...
https://adf.org.au/drug-facts/#wheel

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velocityjohnno Sunday, 17 Oct 2021 at 5:57pm

Hey Blowin, for post above, are they really thinking of going 400K immigration? Is that in NSW alone? Ffffruck.

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Supafreak Sunday, 17 Oct 2021 at 6:05pm

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Hutchy 19 Tuesday, 19 Oct 2021 at 8:54am

Amazing how Perrottet has gone from a newly installed NSW premier to a full-blown national leader in a few weeks .

Ridiculed from the start by the left wing media for being religious ( Penny Wong is to ) he has shown what a difference true leadership can achieve .

Not only are the other premiers being forced to follow his lead but also the PM .

Dan the Man has relaxed restrictions while covid cases are surging . Bloody amazing . Qld as well and others will be forced to follow .

Such a breath of fresh air .

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blindboy Tuesday, 19 Oct 2021 at 9:31am
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blindboy Tuesday, 19 Oct 2021 at 10:09am

Sooner or later bullshit has consequences.

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blackers Tuesday, 19 Oct 2021 at 10:13am

Mushies may have something to do with it.
Love the magistrates comment: “You might rethink your sense of humour after tonight,”

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blindboy Wednesday, 20 Oct 2021 at 2:45pm

The study found about 40 per cent of all marine debris across Australia was from littering, particularly near capital cities where a lot of plastic ends up on the beach from stormwater drains.

https://energytransition.org/2018/09/norway-moves-ahead-with-carbon-capt...

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san Guine Wednesday, 20 Oct 2021 at 7:30pm
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Call it a(nother) SN Litmus test:

https://junkee.com/pru-goward-welfare-weasels-afr/312364

Sneeringly patronising
" And yet, I like them. I like them because they call us out. They are honestly self-interested, and you always know what they think. I know many of them. So many clever, actually very clever, kids and adults, although often damaged and almost entirely lacking discipline, trust in the system, trust in anyone who represents the system."

Maybe we could yoke them, it works for oxen:
"I am convinced we can do better to harness the force that the people of the underclass represent."

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Fliplid Wednesday, 20 Oct 2021 at 9:12pm

Quite a few ironys in that article

“they rejected the rules and lived by their own. They were to be feared and were, to use my mother’s words, not very nice. “

Christian Porter?

“their sharp and unrepentant manner when told to lift their game by the patronising do-gooder.”

Sports rorts?

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blindboy Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 8:40am

Her views are pretty much a neolib manifesto........make sure the upper classes keep (or increase) their wealth and power.

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garyg1412 Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 8:45am

The only difference between the underclass and the upper class is public exposure. The upper class tend to hide their anti social behaviour better whereas the underclass are subject to public services (eg Centrelink, Legal Aid, etc) where their social data and anti social behaviour gets picked up by the media and in most instances becomes public knowledge.
Imagine if we could harness the nastiness of people like Prue Goward to educate future generations on how not to be a total c*&t to society.

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AndyM Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 9:13am

That's one of the most outrageous things I've read for a while.

I've shared the original article around so people can better understand how "the ruling class" really view the poor.

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blindboy Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 9:19am

Not to mention the role neoliberal governments have played in increasing the underclass by reducing welfare, stalling wage growth and creating a whole new category of unregulated and underpaid work.

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AndyM Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 9:28am

The whole class issue continues to be one big sleight of hand.
And it's the last great taboo.

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san Guine Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 9:32am

Untermensch?

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AndyM Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 9:40am

At the same time, to quote Lech Blaine, "squatters realised that they
could keep swagmen from fleecing their sheep by airbrushing the differences between them."

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Fliplid Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 9:41am

Well san guine we're already dividing the country into those that have a go and those that don't so maybe it's the next step just to simplify things a bit.

Kind of interesting that the article isn't behind a paywall as well. Preaching to the converted and making sure it gets maximum exposure for the up coming election maybe.

A bit like the sudden change of heart about climate change policy from the Murdoch stable. Nothing to see here folks don't change your vote we've got it all sorted.

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adam12 Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 9:46am

It was her use of the word "proles" that was so telling. She seems to be competing with Phil the Dill Coorey for dumbest op-ed at the AFR (Gladys the 'Woman Who Saved Australia.')
Meanwhile, yesterday in the House the Morrison Govt. effectively green lit corruption by dismantling the members register to protect Porter and not one MSM front page mentions it.
The truth about Porters donor must be bad for them to go this far to protect whoever it is. Under this government members can hide large cash 'donations'. Openly corrupt.

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AndyM Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 9:52am

Something else to consider -

"According to Andrew Leigh’s book Battlers and Billionaires, Australia’s level
of inequality hit a seventy-year low in 1980.
The top 1 per cent’s share of household income sat at 5 per cent, while the top 0.01 per cent’s share sat at 1 per cent.
By 2010, the top 1 per cent’s share of the national income had almost doubled, to 9 per cent.
The top 0.01 per cent’s share of the national income had tripled, to 3 per cent.

This represented a $403-billion redistribution from the bottom 99 per cent to the top 1 per cent."

And as a result, wealth and income levels are so skewed between the top and the bottom that “average” indicators no longer reflect the average person’s experience or living conditions.

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adam12 Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 2:17pm

Stokes? He may be a bit reticent after backing the SAS big boy and his still going disaster. The twitterati reckon it's Palmer as it coincides with them working together on the High Court WA border challenge, I reckon it could be Gina as she likes to own LNP politicians, especially those from WA. It could be Al Queda or ISIS or Indonesian people smugglers which is the point of making it transparent.

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GuySmiley Sunday, 24 Oct 2021 at 5:40pm

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 24 Oct 2021 at 5:46pm

Yep people have fan's and haters, especially when they love to stir up shit.

Im not sure what your point is?

Before i lose my edit window, seems he does have a video on it, havent watched it yet though.

BTW. Guy, why have you deleted your comment on Avi?

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 24 Oct 2021 at 5:59pm

ha ha watched it, now i know why you deleted the comment (the one claiming i bet Avi doesn't post the incident etc ), you must have posted your comment before watching the whole incident and realised the dinners were complete dicks stirring up trouble and very aggressive even calling a by stander women the C word.

Body guard probably didnt need to use that much force though.

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Vic Local Sunday, 24 Oct 2021 at 6:17pm

I knew the wife basher was going to claim victim status on this one. What a pathetic little POS this bloke is. It wouldn't shock me if the flog actually asked his idiot fan base for some cash to help him get over the trauma.
Info would probably kick in a few bucks to help poor Avi.

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GuySmiley Sunday, 24 Oct 2021 at 7:16pm

I also watched both info and therefore deleted my original link and unfollowed that insta account as I don’t like being played wherever the truth sits. I note Avi’s and his minders aggression in a previously relaxed dining setting.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 24 Oct 2021 at 7:59pm

Fair enough i respect that view.

I think both were at fault in a sense, people abusing him when not needed, basically asking for a confrontation, and that bald guy was getting aggressive and in his face.

But on the flip side his security didn't need to get that physical either must be getting close to crossing some line on appropriate force used.

You could say Avi could just have ignored them, but in doing so he misses out on another clip, so really they are just playing into his hands.

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tubeshooter Sunday, 24 Oct 2021 at 8:31pm

Avi is quite a knob ,but yeah , If your'e genuinely trying to enjoy a quiet meal outdoors then screaming abuse at anyone passing by for whatever reason is more than likely going to illicit some sort of response . Security was a tad aggressive and could have arguably handled that better . Also ,Avi could have taken the higher ground and laughed it off but chose not to.
All concerned acted like a bunch of idiots.
It was still quite a funny vid to watch all round. Some of the action in the background was equally as hilarious. The guy with the glasses directing the cops where to go , the girl who jumps in as the cops show up , some workers not sure what to do. etc

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indo-dreaming Monday, 25 Oct 2021 at 7:46am

I watched some other videos taken by bystanders last night to get a different perspective.

I had to laugh as Avi's camera man appears to be Asian, then Avi is a Jewish man of colour, and with Avi was Ruskin another Youtuber whom is Sri Lankan, the diversity that the left crave.

Meanwhile you have a bunch of mostly white middle aged mean abusing them and getting aggressive even calling some women the C word.

Funny world.

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Snuffy Smith Monday, 25 Oct 2021 at 8:31am

Avi v Duane

and the winner is?

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Supafreak Monday, 25 Oct 2021 at 8:54am

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indo-dreaming Monday, 25 Oct 2021 at 9:19am
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Avi v Duane

and the winner is?

Flicked through the whole video twice including the completely fucked up smack head looking dude with terrible tats at the start, and couldn't see anything to do with Avi???

What would Avi debate about anyway, he is a reporter who reports stories and gives an insight into others views, those views aren't necessarily his own views, hence why he says in the video from yesterday, "how do you know I'm not vaccinated?"

I honestly hope Avi wouldn't bother getting in a debate with nobodies, plenty of channels try to ride his coat tails to get exposure, it was disappointing even when he gave that freak Tom Tankui exposure.

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adam12 Monday, 25 Oct 2021 at 9:14am

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I watched some other videos taken by bystanders last night to get a different perspective.

I had to laugh as Avi's camera man appears to be Asian, then Avi is a Jewish man of colour, and with Avi was Ruskin another Youtuber whom is Sri Lankan, the diversity that the left crave.

Meanwhile you have a bunch of mostly white middle aged mean abusing them and getting aggressive even calling some women the C word.

Funny world."
Indo you are the most pissweak right wing culture warrior on the internet. Lift your game, it's getting painful watching you turn yourself inside out trying to score against the 'left'.

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indo-dreaming Monday, 25 Oct 2021 at 9:21am

Dude Guy posted the video yesterday hence the conversation, take a chill pill dude.

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san Guine Monday, 25 Oct 2021 at 9:51am
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Vic Local Monday, 25 Oct 2021 at 5:15pm

"he is a reporter who reports stories"
The scary thing is ID, you're actually serious.
Avi is a grifter, and he makes money off his idiot audience. He doesn't do any reporting. He goes to rallies to start arguments, films them, and then feeds his chooks.
Whenever the wife basher gets held to account for his shitfuckery, he jumps straight to victimhood and then asks his audience for cash, usually to fund some vexatious lawsuit. The funny thing is, he keeps losing case after case after case. After each loss he either claims he's won, or chucks the toys out of the cot.
You'd have to have shit for brains to think the wife-bashing grifter is a "reporter".

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indo-dreaming Monday, 25 Oct 2021 at 6:00pm

@VL

Im sure Avi doesn't care what you think, i don't care what you think, and im sure his 593K subscribers don't care what you think.

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Vic Local Monday, 25 Oct 2021 at 6:25pm
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@VL

Im sure Avi doesn't care what you think, i don't care what you think, and im sure his 593K subscribers don't care what you think.

If Avi didn't care what I thought he wouldn't have blocked me from his social media sites when I called him a wife-bashing grifter.

If you didn't care what I think, you wouldn't have responded when I said you had shit for brains for thinking Avi was a reporter.

As for the wife basher's audience, well they are just suckers. Quick question ID, do you donate money to the wife basher for his lawsuits / retirement fund?

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indo-dreaming Monday, 25 Oct 2021 at 7:05pm

You're a fuck witt VL and an A grade one at that.

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gragagan Monday, 25 Oct 2021 at 7:09pm
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For those on the MP, contact your local MP.
https://www.theage.com.au/environment/conservation/health-concerns-over-...

Yep it's nasty stuff. Used to work over a hill from a quarry where they crushed quartz, at the end of every day everything would be covered in this fine silica dust. Luckily I was working offsite.

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san Guine Tuesday, 26 Oct 2021 at 9:10am

Here's is some promising Australian research, on MRSA:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/oct/26/australian-discovery-bri...