Rolling Forecast: WSL Finals, Fiji
WSL Finals, Fiji
August 27th - September 4th
The swell has been created and is in the water on its way to Fiji.
Shortly after we posted Friday’s forecast, the frontal system that created it crossed Australia’s East Coast and moved into the Tasman Sea.
Once the wind hit the water the swell was birthed and began growing under storm-force south-westerly winds pointing out towards the South Pacific. All Saturday, damaging winds in the wake of the front were reported up and down the NSW coast.
Sunday, however, dawned with a light breeze and by midday a complete absence of synoptic wind. Seabreezes filled the void.
The short evolution from storm force offshore wind to onshore seabreezes, speaks to how quickly the frontal system moved across the coastline and across the Tasman. This will have repercussions at more northern latitudes.
The brisk eastwards movement will limit size at Cloudbreak and also reduce the odds of outlier sets coming in above the forecast range, though without doing away with them completely.
While preparing this forecast the WSL issued a Yellow Alert, meaning competitors can expect a probable start within 24 hours.
So what can they expect tomorrow?
Size-wise there’s no real change to Friday’s forecast, with the day beginning around 5-6ft of mid-period swell under light east-southeast trade winds.
There’ll be a steady rise in wave size throughout the day, towards a peak of 6-8ft later in the afternoon - or perhaps early evening under the cover of darkness. Either way, the trend all day will be upwards.
The later it gets, the bigger it’ll be.
As has been mentioned since last Wednesday’s forecast, though the Momi Bay region can expect light trade winds they may be overcome by ‘rotor winds’ that will, if they eventuate, cause Cloudbreak’s wind vane to spin around the compass.
Rotor winds are essentially turbulent downstream winds caused by stronger trades south of Fiji crossing the inland mountain range. Momi Bay and Cloudbreak lie on the lee side of the mountain range where the rotor turbulence may happen.
High res wind chart for tomorrow 11am, showing strong south-east trades along Fiji's Coral Coast, then blowing 'around the corner' - meaning in a more southerly direction - as they approach Cloudbreak.
By 2pm, however, the same winds may swing east-northeast and variable.
It’s extremely hard to forecast their strength or direction, yet in a way that’s a moot point: If they arrive they’ll shift the needle away from offshore trades, and that’s all that needs to be known.
It appears the WSL has already prepared contingencies should the winds eventuate, flagging the possibility of running the Finals over two days or shifting it to Restaurants.
If they were to choose the latter - that is, shift it to Restaurants - there's still a chance shifting winds could play havoc. See the 2pm chart above noting that north-east is devil wind at Restaurants unless very light.
Postponing on Tuesday and resuming at Cloudbreak on Wednesday morning would see the swell back down to the 6ft+ range - the peak having already passed - and slowly tapering all day towards 4-5ft.
Though it may be a necessity, by running over two mornings they'd miss the largest part of the swell.
See you in the live chat tomorrow morning.
Forecast Friday 29/08/25:
Three days into the nine-day waiting period and the forecast blade is getting sharpened.
The system that creates Tuesday’s swell is currently passing over south-east Australia. The centre of it will cross the East Coast at roughly Bass Strait latitudes very late today, and by midday tomorrow it’ll begin working on the south and central Tasman Sea.
There’s also a more southern component from the same system, with a fetch that begins 1,000 kms due south of Hobart - see next image.
Note the two fetches aimed towards Fiji: the first off the NSW coast that will strike on Tuesday, and the second south of Hobart that will arrive later.
Since Wednesday’s forecast the timing and intensity of the system has slowed and also reduced in strength. The downstream effect of that will be a delay in arrival with forecast wave size coming in one rung down the ladder.
Tuesday is now forecast to dawn with sets to 5-6ft at Cloudbreak, building throughout the day to 6-8ft. The peak will be either very late in the day or during the early evening.
Worth noting that max comp time is 8 hours and min is 5.5. Sun sets at 6pm, so comp can go till approx 5pm. Therefore, the latest start time is approx 9am.
The expected direction is only degrees off what you might call a ‘classic’ Cloudbreak swell, however the period is sub-optimal being in the 12 second band and not getting above 13 seconds.
Shorter period swells feel less bottom drag as they move up reef passages, and this is partly the reason Restaurants has been mentioned. The other reason is the expected ‘westerly’ component of the swell, yet as mentioned earlier it’s a very fine distinction.
Perhaps the more compelling metric is the size - or lack of it. Should the data hold, Restaurants will begin the day at 3’ increasing to 3’-4’ by end of play.
Since Wednesday there hasn’t been much change with expected winds. Meaning, the broader pattern is for light-ish trades at Cloudbreak, however that’s not a region-wide pattern, with areas of brisk trades nearby, plus the threat of turbulent rotor winds in their wake - see next image.
This is something we’ll put under the microscope on Monday’s forecast.
High res modelling shows strong trades across Fiji's Coral Coast and rotor winds - downstream turbulence after wind passes over a mountain range - in the Momi Bay area.
All up, it’s not quite the picture we were seeing earlier in the week and, as there are further days in the waiting period, it’s worth checking the options.
On Wednesday morning, the first flush of swell - i.e the one that forms off the NSW coast - will be waning, replaced by the aforementioned southerly component created south of Hobart. The direction will edge more SSW, however wind speeds aren’t particularly strong so the period remains low.
The day should start at 5-6ft with a slow trend towards 4-5ft. By that time the Long Wave Trough will be firmly established, sending available systems up the Tasman pipe. There are at least two more pulses yet neither is particularly vigorous with size at Cloudbreak remaining in the 4-5ft range through Thursday, which is the end of the waiting period.
There are now three days until the next forecast.
Let's see what Monday brings.
Forecast Wednesday 27/08/25:
The forecasting family is together again.
After a short separation, GFS and ECMWF - the two global weather models - are in broad agreement about the coming Final’s Day swell.
Before we get into the nuts and bolts of the swell a quick explanation is in order.
While GFS has barely wavered - showing a wind field with the head off the NSW coast and tail in Tasmanian latitudes - EC has struggled to consolidate it into one fetch. Even now, as it comes into line with GFS, EC is showing two peaks - one in the morning and another in the afternoon.
This shows that the swell - at least as EC sees it - is still disjointed. The swell off the NSW coast and the swell formed near Tasmania. So yes, there’s broad agreement between models, but look closely enough and you’ll still see differences.
More importantly, however, is the Long Wave Trough (LWT). Never mind consensus between wave models, the LWT has been staunch in its future positioning, showing a pathway up the Tasman pipe. The LWT is a powerful forecasting tool for locations such as Fiji (and anywhere facing south into a large ocean basin).
At six days out there’s no great need to lock onto size just yet, except to say we’re expecting sets in the 8ft ballpark. In the coming days we’ll begin sharpening that prediction.
The local winds are possibly more problematic.
First glance shows Cloudbreak to be in a cycle of lighter tradewinds next week. However, it’s very localised as the trades at Frigates, just 100kms to the south-east, will be approximately double the strength through all next week.
Also, high res modelling is showing even stronger winds - 20 - 25 knts from the south-east - between Cloudbreak and Frigates. If that wind belt were to shift towards Momi Bay it’ll bring with it chandeliers and clamps. We’ll keep a close eye on that modelling.
Another reason for increased scrutiny is the possibility of rotor winds forming off the back of strong trades interacting with the Nakauvadra Range. With thirty peaks over 1,000m it’s not insignificant and the downstream rotor winds can cause unexpected wind changes.
Again, we’ll monitor these closely.
See you Friday.
Forecast Monday 25/08/25:
On Friday’s forecast we noted there was three-way agreement between the global models: GFS, EC, and ACCESS for a decent swell to strike Fiji on Tuesday the 2nd September.
Yet any forecast twelve days out needs to be treated with caution as small atmospheric changes are multiplied across the forecast period. The larger the forecast period = the larger the error.
So it’s no surprises to see EC and ACCESS have wavered, both slowing the system down and hinting at a later peak, while GFS maintains the same forecast.
None of this is cause for concern, as, when it comes to Southern Ocean storm activity, GFS is the more reliable forecast model. It does, however, confirm the need for circumspection and flexibility in long range forecasting, so for now we’ll keep the dates free. Nothing is locked in.
Taking the wider view, the frontal progression that sparks the swell is still due to move underneath Australia through the week, clipping the south-east - Tassie and Victoria - early weekend. So the foundations are still in place
Also, FWIW the Long Wave Trough is predicted to move into a position where any Southern Ocean storm will move up the Tasman pipe towards Fiji.
Considering today’s curve ball from a contest organiser's POV: While the models are currently not locked onto a single date, they’re all pointing towards a swell within the contest waiting period.
See you Wednesday.
Forecast Friday 22/08/25
Wednesday’s forecast ended with reasons to doubt the swell due to hit Fiji late on Monday 1st.
In the 48 hrs since then we’ve had reasons to grow our confidence. The most obvious is that the two major global models - GFS and ECMWF - are now moving in lockstep, projecting a similar-sized swell to move up the Tasman pipe towards Fiji.
FWIW, the Australian model - ACCESS - is also forecasting a similar system.
The storm that creates the swell is forecast by all three models to form next Friday, so seven days from now, starting as a broad low positioned underneath Australia, meridional (north/south) in structure, sending swell to South Oz, Vicco, and Tassie, as the system moves east and tightens into a closed centre.
From early Saturday to midday Sunday a forecast wind field should extend from south of Tasmania up the Tasman Sea to a latitude equal to the NSW Mid North Coast, creating a mix of period and size in the swell heading towards Fiji.
First forming south of Tasmania late Friday, the swell consolidates through Saturday
The bulk of it forms in Cloudbreak’s middle-ground swell window, and winds will top out at gale force, though they’ll remain there for 24-36 hours.
GFS has it peaking at 8ft+. Though it’s worth considering the synoptic forecast for EC and ACCESS suggests slightly smaller surf.
We’ll massage the expected size over the coming week.
In any case, what they don’t suggest is an aerial shoot out.
A further reason to have confidence is a follow up swell also moving up the Tasman, a good sign the Long Wave Trough is directing these systems.
Though the swell is forecast to strike on Monday 1st, Tuesday is its forecast peak, meaning that’s the likeliest day to run - Day 7 out of a 10 day waiting period.
With a swell moving into the cross-hairs we’ll shortly begin sharpening up the secondary consideration: wind.
Despite being relatively late in the season, the trade-wind belt has remained robust through Fiji. On Monday we’ll take a closer look at the swell and the wind.
See you then.
Forecast Wednesday 20/08/25:
Since Monday’s forecast a few things have changed in the waiting period. There’s been no fundamental shift as on the whole it’s not a great outlook for Fiji. But then again, Finals Day is just that - one day.
With the Southern Ocean firing its energy at targets further east, all the WSL needs is one stray volley to deviate and head up the Tasman Sea towards Fiji. Eight hours of wayward energy will do it.
The pre-comp swells mentioned on Monday are both on track to arrive, the first late Thursday (6ft+) and the second late Saturday (4-6ft). There’ll then be a slow taper over Sunday and Monday until the forecast flatlines for seven straight days - six of those being in the waiting period.
The cause of this is a large high pressure system that moves across the southern Tasman and New Zealand, angling storm systems to the south so the swell they produce heads away from the tropics - see next image.
Note swell under Australia heading towards the ice shelf while swell east of New Zealand heads across the South Pacific.
When the high moves east, a vigorous low pressure system is forecast to form off the NSW East Coast with a ridge feeding into a trough line in the Tasman.
What does that mean..?
Good news for East Coast surfers - including Tassie East Coast - but not so the last remaining WSL surfers waiting in Fiji, as, once again, the energy in the Tasman will be directed away from them and towards Australia - see next image.
The swell heads the wrong way down the Tasman pipe - though East Coast surfers will benefit.
As is often the case, the Tasman Low will precede a vigorous frontal progression, which is the kind of talk Cloudbreak diehards like.
The first phase will see a low deepen over south-east Australia dragging polar air towards the mainland - possibly good news for the snow fields. However, as the system breaches the East Coast the westerly component will again see the swell angled away from Fiji.
Fortunately it’s a complex and multi-pronged system, and the elongations that drag cool air from far southern latitudes will also establish a well-aimed fetch up the Tasman. It’s not overly strong nor long-lasting, which’ll put a ceiling on size, but it forms right in Cloudbreak’s sweet spot.
Note the wind field south of Tasmania angled north-east towards Fiji.
At present, the swell is forecast to hit late on Monday 1st, building to a peak late on Tuesday 2nd, however, there are many contingencies attached to this one.
It’s at the very end of the forecast period so accuracy is questionable, and it forms on the back of a dynamic system. There’s a lot of weather between now and then, and small adjustments will have big bearings on the outcome.
Nevertheless in the absence of any other swell, this is the one we’ll be watching.
See you all on Friday.
Forecast Monday 18/08/25:
Over the last fortnight, Fiji has gone through a quiet spell with few waves of note on the south-west facing reefs. It's not for a lack of action in the Southern Ocean - Victoria and Tahiti, for instance, have been getting bombarded by Southern Ocean storms - but it's got everything to do with alignment.
Cloudbreak only has one real swell window and it opens up to the south-west, across the Coral Sea, Tasman Sea, and beyond that the Southern Ocean. Any storm that's going to create swell will have to be angling up the Tasman towards Fiji.
The current set up has Southern Ocean storms pushing swells north-east towards South Australia and Victoria, while the storms in Fiji's swell window have been pushing swell south-east towards the ice shelf - see the next image for an example.
Keen weather watchers would understand this as a classic Long Wave Trough scenario - click here for an explanation.
What this means is that the lead up to Finals Day will see few warm up waves on the reefs. There are, however, some exceptions.
Tomorrow a low centred near NZ's southern tip will deepen as it moves up the west coast, creating a south-southwest swell of moderate period. This will hit late on the 21st in the 6-8ft range.
That swell will be followed by a longer period swell off the storm shown in the image above. It's poorly aligned for Cloudbreak yet vigorous enough to push sideband energy up the Tasman where it'll deliver inconsistent 6ft waves hitting late on the 23rd.
Following that, the reefs will go quiet.
A series of fronts will pass across southern Australia, yet as they approach the Tasman they're all forecast to fall away, fading in strength and sending any available swell south-east, away from the tropics.
So quiet will Fiji be during this period that on the 27th - the first day of the waiting period - the predominant swell is forecast to be south-east. A short period trade-swell kicked up by the south-east trade-winds.
The first four days of the waiting period - from Wednesday 27th to Saturday 30th - will see very small waves. Only small, inconsistent long period energy will be able to escape the tractor beam that's pulling it away from Cloudbreak.
The back half of the waiting period is still too far out to have much trust in the forecast though there are hints of southerly energy developing in the Tasman. At this stage it looks slightly disjointed though we'll keep an eye on any changes.
See you all on Wednesday.
Comments
crikey! might have to go mobile to Trestles…
haha twisted sense of humour
For the finals I think the WSL could be more flexible. Like, just hire a few boats for the surfers, judges and film crew, then pounce when the surf is pumping there...which looks like being sometime after the official waiting period.
And what about all the people who've booked trips then?
Or the locals who've waited weeks, months, for a decent CB day?
Unfortunately the Wozzle has to book in like everyone else.
Fair enough Stu. But it's only a one day comp. I'd be more that happy if I booked and had to sacrifice a day of surf, while getting to see up close the world titles being decided in perfect, big challenging waves, no worries. A day to witness, remember and talk story about for the rest of my life. But maybe that's just me. Cheers.
the solution is so obvious..
World Surf Luxurycruise..
neverending Love Boat devoted to surf..
netflix onboard, 7 series minimum..
give a few crowdfunded births to the odd jai glindeman or matahi drollet that they can pop in and out of when they wish.. a creche and family rooms for surfers with families.. raffle a few below-deck cabins, the odd influencer.. (let the rockstars like JJF fly in and out if they're too cool for the boat.)
live streamed DJ sets with Steph and Ramzi (late night chill zone with Caity). Galley cooking show with the Pupos. Scrapbooking with Tyler, Sunday morning singalongs with house band Erin and the Brazillians..
https://shipselector.com/offers/sale/passenger-vessel/cruise-vessel
https://au.yachtworld.com/boats-for-sale/type-power/class-power-cruise-s...
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Hilarious Base6. But there's some merit somewhere in all of that.
buyer's market in large cruise ships and the like.
employer's market too, for large passenger ship staff.
give extra points to QS surfers who swab the decks.
Kaipo's Conga line every evening
ha, dude likes to unwind, after working all day in his televised Bailey pop-up repair shop
He and Strider could've easily ended up running poolside activities if they hadn't nailed spots on the commentary roster
Perfect idea. They could model it on Wes Andersons's 'The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou.' Wozzle surfers have matching uniforms (including matching red woollen beanies) and get their own Glock, but the QS surfers (interns) have to work for nothing scrubbing the deck and doing repairs. They only get one Glock between them. JJF could arrive in a yellow submarine.
I like the cut of your jib, cowboy.
(ermm.. and always get back on the horse, sailor).
The Love Boooatt ...soon will be making another run!
The Loouve Boat ...promises something for everyone!
As crazy as that sounds, there are only a total of 10 surfers, then include judges, commentary and media staff.
Surely a few boats floating around somewhere like the Mentawaii's in a 10 day surf trip setting could score 1 day somewhere to wrap it up.
Other paying punters on other boats may be not so happy, but there are enough breaks to go around, once the word went out, other boats would either go watch or go surf somewhere else.
Personally, I could put a few hours aside on a trip to watch the worlds best battle.
fk em, while insane it's an insane wave choosing this location is fraught with dangers.
It would be the ultimately ironic end to the final 5 if CB were to have smaller waves than Trestles...
Went past Cloudy once on a fishing charter out of Denarau. It was offshore and absolutely pristine four feet, but empty. I asked our Fijian skipper what was up, and he replied simply, "Flat". Would have been the best day of my life surfing that "Flat" wave to myself
First Time I went to Fiji you couldn't surf CB, at all.
Went past on the way to Namotu and it was 10-12ft and flawless, no-one out.
Massive, big gaping tubes steamrolling down the reef.
Whoa, that must have been quite a sight Steve! Was that when only Tavarua guests could surf Cloudy?
My first time was something similar except I'd sold a kidney to stay at Tava.
Morning session was 6-8', long period with light trades. Only one boat out with 3 of us trading sets.
Lunch hits and everyone else heads back. By now its 8'-10' and sheet glass.
I stay, it's just me and the boatman as the swell muscles up to 10'-12' with some outrageously big sets. I was on an AB 7'2" 6 channel and couldn't get to/into the big ones.
Was best surf of my life until a light northerly blew up and put an end to my ability to get into them.
Later that afternoon the wind died and restaurants was 6'+ and flawless.
Been chasing a repeat ever since. I'm aware I prostituted myself by paying outlandish rates to stay at Tava for the week, but it's still the best money I've ever spent.
haha classic tale.
Sounds epic!
Wow.
As your stereotypical goofy footer who loves pumping lefts that sounds like one of the great days of life.
Can I be rude and ask how much you paid for that once in a lifetime pleasure Nolan?
I’m already having the debate in my head of what I’d pay for that experience ha ha
Actually wasn't that outrageous.
I was there with my wife and 3 young kids. We stayed a week at another island (Mana) and a week at Tava. About $25k from memory in 2009 dollars.
Have stayed at Tava post decree, still worth it when you get swell.
Though . . . I am still suffering PTSD after having surfed all day and my lovely, patient wife reasonably wants some couple time on the restaurants deck when they bring out canapes and drinks at 5pm. As the sun sets over restaurants you could be forgiven for thinking it's a perfect end to a perfect day . . . except the obsessive nature is on a full tear and all I can do is fret as perfect barrels spin down the reef unridden.
Thanks mate.
A session you’ll remember forever.
Ha ha yes I can only imagine the conflicting thoughts running through your head as you’re sipping on a mojito watching the waves.
What a magical place eh.
Restaurants seems to fly under the radar over the years. Rarely see or hear much about it, but I have some extremely fond memories of uncrowded sessions there whilst its big brother has garnered all the attention.
Restaurants is absolutely world class - perfect shape and pace, hardly ever sections. More 'perfect' than CB that's for sure. Heavy in its own right once its 4'-6'+ and the tide drops.
If it flies under radar (it gets pretty crowded on small days nowadays), it's because it's even more fickle than CB and unless swell is absolutely huge or you're not staying at Tava/Namotu when it's on then you typically have to choose between CB or Restaurants which means there's fewer people who've had the experience of surfing it at full flight.
The angle of the swell affects it heaps as well. The more the west the better.
And shorter period.
For sure didn't realise it made that much difference so many variable's in Vic there are only two: swell size and wind.
Nice one @ nolan
Spent 5 years on and off with a couple of the island freighters, change over day you could get CB with very few out. Or at times by yourself
There are sooo many breaks off the remote islands but need all the right things to line up … very lucky to surf a few and almost always alone ..John Cal and his mates would wet themselves
I wouldn’t say Victoria has been getting “bombarded by swells” in recent times, mostly regular size and consistency. If anything it’s been a fair bit of slow to very small window which has opened up opportunity for the open beaches with is rare for this time of year. In reality those open beachies are always being bombarded by swell but that’s not what you’d be referring to.
Those southern ocean swells tracking south east has been perfect for Victoria though, opening up options at the open spots as the wind is pulled offshore with the lows tracking away as the swell fades with it.
Classic surf coast fronts .
Was thinking the same thing.
I will cry if it becomes a air fest .
Low tide rotes over shish kabobs
italo pumping for 100m, legs agape. Flat spin, double arm claim. I’m getting depressed thinking about it.
Shaper... you want more tail lift as a lightweight surfing Cloudbreak ....if its w'small'ltd.
2-4ft surf blowtails won finals last year for USA & Canada.
Thanks for the greatest surf forecasting team. More waves & rain in Oz than Fiji in August...
Surf sponsors... have your surfers & camera's rolling on the 22nd Aug...eg. Kongs Island?
That size is perfect for me, much bigger I am a spectator too much risk on my backhand. The beatings you cop and the paddle over the reef and back around and legendary. They make it look easy.
Looks like interesting developments just outside this forecast range, maybe a coupla days later. Definitely gonna be something for the comp, fingers crossed it's something extra.
what the time difference between a swell hitting bells then CB?
Depending on period, about 3 days. Closer to 4 if period is lowish (circa 15s).
i spy a bump out there haha obv more complex than that but something to geek out on
The pros all shared the spoils this season and earnings look solid on paper.
Enough to fly the family into Fiji and accommodate them for 2 weeks? Would make a serious dint in the bottom line
Quintessential... post Kelly?
Isn't it 'Florence'?
Flo'rinse?
meanwhile....theres a bit a bump on bone dry reef
great surf footage and editing by WSLtd
love the cherry on top...
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-2...
"Cloudbreak only has one real swell window and it opens up to the south-west, across the Coral Sea, Tasman Sea, and beyond that the Southern Ocean. Any storm that's going to create swell will have to be angling up the Tasman towards Fiji."
Don't forget the Indian Ocean swell window off South Africa!
https://www.swellnet.com/news/swellnet-analysis/2016/11/08/the-secret-li...
Sounds like a perfect forecast for Filipe.
He'll be kicking himself...
wsl have been jagging it this year with lowballed surf predictions so hopefully can jag it one last time
Latest EC runs looking more hopeful.
Just noticed the same FR. Fingers crossed.
C'mon EC!
EC has held that position for a good CB swell on the 2nd/3rd for the last few days which is promising.
GFS is somewhat aligned (if less promising, though still OK)
WSL are canny buggers if it comes off given what its been.
Honestly, I've been dubious about the Sept time for the final 5.
Honestly feel you need a roving month in the pacific final 5 .
Best spot for waves wins.
That Sunday/Monday (31st/1st) swell is starting to look more and more promising. Hope those charts hold. Could be some size and consistency.
Is that the swell arrival time or generation date?
I'm not looking at charts outside of the standard WZ (GFS) app 7-dayer and I'm not vibing it.
There is snow forecast for mid-late next week which is a good indicator for a front pushing into Tasman but there isn't any real pulse hitting CB til 3/9 on the automated model just now.
It's getting tight.
That's based off Thurs-saturdays synoptics so yeah guessing swell arrival will be Saturday peaking through Sunday/Monday. If that all holds true though. ha
If that map was actually todays synoptic i'd be frothing for the finals day in a coupla days time!
See how it plays out though hey. I reckon they'll get something. Alot of energy in that system that's been carried all the way from beyond Africa so it'll do something. We're just on the verge of copping it here in the next few hours so will put my ear to the wind and listen if it whispers Thundercloud!! :-P
latest model runs in surfline lotus forecast completely backed off the idea of a pulse first few days of sept..crikey...hoping that the euro holds given ensembles look good for a big snow system across Aus / NZ end of next week.
Looks to me both models are showing what we need to see 28th 29th in the Tasman. Can we be confident now or still too far out?
Trade wind belt looking stiff when it arrives.
From what I'm seeing, both models (EC & GFS) aren't aligned. Praying for EC to come off and we should hopefully see Tuesday as comp day. Still a long way out though.
Craig will have an update today?
Yep, new forecast today.
Lots of short-lived mirages but taken in its entirety - across the various models and time-stamps - the energy is still disjointed and running at cross-purposes.
Agree.
To channel SN's forecast notes: "keep expectations low and check back in on Monday"
Very measured guys.
Not aligned but surely looking good individually to produce a single day swell. I thought GFS looked better! Looking fwd to the update from the guru.
have a punt guys, it’s Defo unsure, but always fun to hear a gut feel call thrown in.
This is what I want to see .
Yes please!! What a free fall!
Are the screenshots of the SN forecast from the app, new unreleased model, admin only?
Right now, yeah.
But not for long.
Thanks stu, looks good. Date, period and tide at a glance will be a handy addition.
I like it
https://www.weatherzone.com.au/models/charts/gfs/aus?chartCode=prmsl_thk...
Antarctic swell pulse, plus 4 days of curve ball into warm Tasman seas massage, funnel up to tropical Fiji ... about 2nd -3rd Sept (ie. jam time) https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jam_tomorrow
That low pushed further South of us than expected which i can imagine can only be a good thing.
It's got a good clean run across the bight now without any interference with land. Once (if) that high moves out over New Zealand i'm calling it's all on. Could be a damn worthy swell. If not could be flat as a lake! (and we should blame NZ..of course!)
or blame the bushy Tazwoman, blocking solid swell advances.
https://www.weatherzone.com.au/models/charts/gfs/aus?chartCode=prmsl_thk...
"conditions are still tricky"..... its pumping..."
If the LWT is like clock work then we should be on Monday or Tuesday.
Let see what the local winds do.
Anyone seen a tide chart yet?
GET tHE POPCORN Ready
Hey Craig (anyone) …
We’re all praying for macking swells, offshores (n victories for JR and MP as the hardest charging backside barrel riders amongst the top 5s). But…
In the event it’s small and for a first year wsl fantasy league junkie who needs to make up 300 points on finals day to take the lolllies in our crew
If it’s small, do the prevailing winds favour or enable aerial surfing at cloudy? Or are they neutral? Or unfavourable and kinda rule out aerials?
I’ve been trying to figure it out with ChatGPT and google maps; wind directions, wave orientation… and I just got more confused
N/NW/NE would be conducive to airs but it'd be the ugliest Cloudbreak you could imagine especially if it's dribbling along the reef and sectioning..
I'd imagine if it's small though that Yago or Italo could do their big cartwheels regardless of a howling SE tailwind or no wind.
Not sure which of the women it gives an advantage to..probably Marks on her forehand being able to run down sections.
Hopefully this conversation is the closest thing we get to those conditions!!!
Much like SR said, the prevailing trades blow ESE which is semi-cross-shore, or SE which is down the line when it's really strong and coming around the corner a bit. Neither is good for airs and you'd have to think they could only be done earlier in the day, when the wind is lighter, or controlled grab rail affairs.
I'd say the swell will be too big for that anyway.
thanks fellas
For what it is worth - Rolling updates are great reading, also I may be more into finals day than I thought...
Stalls not airs please.
Still a very big difference between EC and GFS.
GFS very much weaker.
Small difference in the strength of the trade flow early Sep too.
Would be highly unusual at this time of year and just by looking at weather outside ffrom general gut feel for that low that's now sitting to the South of here to double back and push up from the Southern Ocean in SW WA as forecast in both scenarios.
appreciate the rolling updates … stoking the froth! and bringing back memories of double overhead waves at CB with my brother while sailing across the pacific 34 years ago (snuck in while CB was still private!) managed to avoid shish kebabs by sticking to the set waves.
Does anyone know what are considered "devil" winds for Cloudbreak.
ENE and N come up into the face creating horror ribs
Yep, anything with N in it.
Getting quietly excited about finals.
Never thought I’d say that.
Huey is warming to it.
Let’s go Molly & Robbo!!
Yep forecast starting to consolidate nicely. Almost at the point where we could lock in Tuesday 2nd September, 6-8ft Cloudbreak with decent winds.
Thanks Ben, that's what we wanted to hear. Let's go Aussies.
Oh yeah. Sounds like what we wanted to finish off the year. Fingers crossed.
wow. happy friday!
Excited to watch this play out! So interesting to see an early call take shape and evolve.
I'm a me-too, big thanks for the rolling forecast. Great idea. So relieved to hear it's likely there will be good waves. Like most of the crew here, I'm looking for the Aussie double!
6 -7 foot drainers going all the bloody way!
Low tide in the morning up to a midday high.
Low again in the evening.
1 day to rule them all.
Let’s hope the wind Gods are kind.
Tuesday tides...
Low: 8:11am (0.83m)
High: 2:39pm (1.59m)
I like the way the fetch extends right up into the Tasman and then hooks towards the North Island.
Should be good for consistency and getting into shish-kebabs.
WSL are canny buggers - guess they deserve a break given dire luck over the last couple of years.
Swell setup and period starting to look real good. Hopefully it holds and winds play ball.
BTW - the updated forecast notes and associated comments are very entertaining - conversational tone, informative/insightful and suspense building. If the best part of a surf trip is the anticipation, then the SN team nails it - much appreciated.
Canny joke for a Friday afternoon:
A Scotsman is mourning the death of his wife, and the funeral is a heartbreaking affair. The pallbearers pick up the casket and as they are moving through the hallway of the funeral home the casket hits a corner and opens, the body falling out. Miraculously the man's wife stands up, a little startled but otherwise alive and well!
20 years later, the wife dies for a second time. The funeral is a heartbreaking process once again. As the pallbearers pick up the casket and begin to move through the hallway of the same funeral home, they reach the same corner and the husband yells out: "canny with the corner lads!"
(Geordie sisters, the Unthanks ; )
7 am start Fiji time is 5 am AEST.
Decent forecast to finish on a serious reef break. Air game not required. Just proper surfing. Tubes, huge turns, wave sense and positioning with consistent six to eight foot sets. Good way to wrap this season, nobody disadvantaged, all with some chance. Looking forward to enjoying this day as a fan and spectator. But to be honest, looking forward even more to next year and a traditional Pipe finish. Hopefully the WSL will eventually bring back Sunset and Haleiwa, before Pipe, for a reinstated Triple Crown again with a more serious challenge to decide the world titles. Hawaiian end of season, three comps, as it was, and always should be. North Shore in Winter...try as they may, you really can't beat that.
If they do Sunset and Haleiwa, bring back Honolua for the women, rather watch that wave over the other two.
sounds good! However seems like a pretty perfect size for Italo and Yago to launch some crazy airs after a tube and turns.. would be hard to compete with!
Looks like alot of moving parts still. Can't rule out a more intense system developing in the Tasman but as it stands, 6-8 foot with an early 10ft pulse looks about right to me.
Appreciate the early calls southern.
Really can’t wait for this contest, fucken pumped for it.
Edit - if there’s swell
Yeah same here Moons, frothing. Yeew!
Cheers!
as a panacea to problematic swell come finals time, you can always watch O-dogs semi and finals performance from 2015 on repeat.
God that was good.
Back to back perfect heat scores at heaving 10foot Cloudbreak if you don't mind.
I think someone already posted it above, but the Taj v JJF heat is one of the best heats I’ve ever seen. Definitely rewatched that one a few times over the years.
Best heats:
JJF vs Slater Teahupoo
JJF vs Taj Cloudbreak
JJF vs JOB Pipeline
Will these Pro's have the Right Equipment if things Change ...10ft Plus Plus ?
Robbo definitely will, i think they start scratching to find boards when it starts getting in the 12 - 15ft range.
So much bad luck over the past few seasons. Feels weird that the WSL didn’t get the period 24th to the 1st.
EC has pulled back a touch, GFS is a little stronger.
The broadscale pattern remains in place.
Lock in Tuesday the 2nd, baby.
(also, although smaller, Wednesday and/or Thursday look great at this stage too).
Hey Ben, out of interest, what is causing the swell degredation as it passes by the Noumea/Vanuatu area on its way to Fiji?
Degredation? Not sure what you mean other than swell decay. Are you observing this on a chart?
Yeah, I'm not sure on the terminology, but it looks strong with size coming up through the Tasman and Coral Sea and then seems to lose size and strength approaching Fiji on its way past Noumea/Vanuatu.
Swell decay will result in a gradual loss of size as the energy moves away from its source (in this case, the swell source is closer to Fiji than what we'd normally see). But it doesn't lose energy per se (if you're referring to swell periods).
It's worth pointing out that this upcoming swell won't be a classic Cloudbreak event, as source winds were not super strong, so the resulting swell periods won't be really high - the leading edge will be around 15 seconds, with the bulk energy sitting a second or two below this. So when looking at the swell charts, we can't see the usual well-defined swell front (on the period charts) like you may otherwise expect.
Cheers Ben, really appreciate you taking the time to explain.
Latest model runs showing good alignment now. 6'-8' with the occasional bigger one looks a spot on call to me though @southenraw's positivity is infectious and 10' is not a ridiculous claim at this point.
Winds looking lighter on 2nd than 3rd/4th though?
EC wind direction for 3rd/4th would also be problematic if it comes to fruition.
Doesn't really matter though, wake up on the 2nd and check conditions.
If current map as of today holds id expect bigger. Might b time to dust off those guns.
As expected that low never split nor doubled back up to SwWa so all that energy still contained in one system. Still lots to play out though but geez one of those models is 10-12 ft plus in my opinion. Doesn't take alot for CB to get 10foot
ahh shit, edit that. That low is splitting down here. Apologies. Still looks to be on track to something significant if current maps hold firm.
Similar size to 2016?
The 2nd lands on a US public holiday , (sub one day for date line )
Labor Day weekend .
Sure bet to run then
Me thinks .
I feel like Griff should win and it should become a netflix movie.
bit of a brazzo rivalry story.. the external conflict of that wackadoodle tub fiasco where he was obviously meant to win with a 'rodeo' air.. and muffed it.. but they controversially gave it to him anyway.. the wsl politics = external conflict plotline..
and then the internal conflict plotline. where he eventually zens the fuck out (maybe after a superduper freesurf sesh and brolove chat with Jack as the sun sets), started soul surfing these great opportunities pro-tour gives you, and grows from the slappable fluro dimpled cali kid, to the wise and knowing dimpled kid in a black tee-o that disappears happily into the distance after smashing a weird *one-epic-alltime-set* window at cloudbreak (the Cloudbreak comp scenes filmed at Indian Beach near Cannon Beach, Oregon, obviously)
(middle section works well at 1.25 speed.. the music, too)
Griff could be played by a young Billy Boyd for another piece of brilliant mis-casting.
well if a AI is gonna make a predated hobbit to play Griff, @mattlock, Jack can be AI played by a young Tom Cruise, who gets a 10 and an esky and the girl, but nods and salutes as nonchalant Griff takes the heat.. (five or six AI enhance dimple exchange shots between the two).
Griff shouldered up the beach with a long continuous take showing all the playas who've appeared in the film, and some cameos:
That current GFS model, i can't see how it won't be 12-15foot at least if that stays true.
Comes up and goes down fast though and looks like it might peak late Sunday evening? :-(
Hopefully Monday morning though. I'm not that good with distances haha
Model guidance for incoming swell looks about the same this morning, as it did yesterday.
Of all of the things I'm looking at, model trend/stability is one of the most important - as it has a close correlation with forecast confidence.
So it's looking good for waves.
However we have seen a slight weakening in local winds towards more of a variable trend - despite the presence of a ridge across the Fijian region - which we'll have to keep an eye on.
There are a bunch of caveats with wind forecasts at Cloudbreak - lest we forget last year's unexpected westerly rotor (which I detailed here: https://www.swellnet.com/comment/1006166#comment-1006166).
But for now there's nothing to be overly concerned about.
High res model guidance really shouldn't be utilised at more than a few days out, but I'm gonna break that rule and show the wind forecast for Tuesday afternoon at Cloudbreak - showing an almost identical rotor setup for the afternoon, as per the 2024 event (see link above).
2024 wind comparison below:
Gnar she blows...........Eddy winds ... the most confusing winds of the sea .....
Love the intel from the pros.
Cheers Ben.
I'm loving this rolling forecast thanks. The best forecasters in the land, pouring over every isobar, zooming in on a fluid future.
Do we think Yago and Molly are reading these? Hard to ignore, their fortunes fluctuating. This format is a cruel waiting game for the legit World Champions, fun for us though.
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Yoga with TC, daily ice baths, evening Q&A. Hog goes all in. How much?
Weekly Tavarua Rate X 2 ?
Faark Who Knows ...?
somewhere between 1k - 2k AUD per night per person normally..?
https://www.wavehunters.com/fiji-surfing/tavarua-islands-surf-pricing/
^^ 3k per night for this thing.. more..? $25k - $30k for the week..? plus travel..
I've had a ton of Fiji stop overs, you don't need to stay on tavi or Namotu.
Just have to link up with a boat guide ... you can do it way cheaper.
Wow , on fire
Looks like it's gonna be biiiiig! Yee ha! Over to the woz if they run or not when it's big and firing.
Pumping warm up waves.
Siiiiick.
Pretty sure that's old footage. That session was shot October 2023.
Yep, old footy.
ahh whoops!! Got shafted by youtube.
Cheers Stu!
Interesting Kelly is over there .
Peeing everywhere marking his turf
Or sliding into dm s or being super coach
Or all the above .
Kelly isn’t just over there LD , he’s got a real shot at title number 12 !
yeah, who's all over there actually? and on what tickets? WSL crew, media, just onlookers? Looks like John John is there as well ... Are any prominent coaches there? Or other ex surf legends? With the mix of old and current footage it's a bit hard to tell.
all there to participate in hedgey's sold out wellness retreat.
https://www.tavarua.com/the-current-posts/welcome-to-hedgeys-wellness-su...
Who doesn't like a bit of wellness?
I mean, they're going to nourish me with macronutrients, we'll practice mindfulness to help me grow and thrive, and it'll be a transformative experience to empower me.
Wow, count me in!
Wow , I feel better already !
no way :-O awesome ... must recheck my mailbox for my invite again ... ;-)
First little wobble in the model runs we've seen for a few days.
GFS is holding steady but EC has delayed and weakened the frontal progression, downgrading the Tues swell and pegging Thursday as the best day.
Nothing to be concerned with at the moment, but we'll need to keep an eye on this.
urgh not ideal at all.
What a difference a day makes.
Hopefully it wobbles back into shape.
Is the updated App going to show long wave trough position?
Yes.
Nice, always a pain going to look for it somewhere else.
GFS has a nice fetch projecting up into the Tasman overnight Saturday into Sunday, that's good for Cloudbreak no?
Yep.
It's just the other models (that were previously on board) have decided to pause and rethink their commitment to the cause.
They'll come back. Won't they?
Yes!! Optimism.
This low has alot of kick down here.
Swell jumped to 5m yesterday morning and i saw Geraldton topped out over 6m last night.
Copping the brunt of the weather now.
So it'll do something.
Just depends where it points and how long it takes to get there!!
Whilst it's technically part of the same broadscale system, observations in WA (especially up north) really don't have much correlation with Fiji.
Ahh ok. I thought the system with these severe SW gale force winds was going to be the same system that eventually passed W to E and would send some swell up the Tasman.
My bad.
EC are kooks!
Previous experience has found that belittling someone rarely results in a change of their position.
I encourage you to be nice to EC. Let it know it's still greatly loved, and how much we'd love to see it arc a broad swathe of 40kt winds through the Tasman Sea.
Nah, I'm done with their naysaying kookery! Time to call them out.
which ones your favourite?
Depends on the circumstance.
But as a rule of thumb, it's always good to NOT pick the model that is agreeing with your preferred outcome.
haha it would be a tricky one as a surf forecaster
Lol@ thermalben
Tough gig ; )
Not EC or access.
Nah, i'm still pretty confident that it'll pull through and on time. I'd be surprised if it's not 10foot at some point in the swell when it hits CB.
Too much energy in this system for it not to.
Like i said, it jumped to 5m yesterday from nowhere. It's packing a punch.
Could be off the mark and admittedly full of optimism, but intuitively, that's what i'm seeing.
Backing you SR - after your herculean level optimism and delivery at Chopes
Haha cheers @FrazP.
I'm in a privileged position of just being able to shoot the shit without anyone paying for it or relying on it.
The pro's know a whole world of knowledge that i'm not aware of so i'd go with whatever they're calling at the moment.
The problem is that what a system does underneath WA doesnt have much correlation to what it'll do underneath Tasmania - which is where we want the storm to deepen.
Image below shows a classic Long Wave Trough set-up for CB, and under that scenario WA would have very little storm activity on its doorstep.
Solid clean long lines 8ft plus in certain parts of Vicco this morning
Nice. Same swell gets to Fiji on Friday where the period will be in the high teens, but it's just too off axis and short-lived to shake things up.
Yea, different swell to the ones hitting us towards the weekend you guys are looking at for the finals. First proper winter blast coming in a while, it’s riding up really high and west of vic at this stage for surf potential but could be an epic snow weekend for the alps if that’s the case. Anyone had much experience in the vicco resorts when the systems pass over with that strength, guessing plenty of the chairlifts would be closed :(?
Got 3 days at the snow with the groms next week. Could be an extra metre on top of the existing cover. (NSW, not Vic)
Thanks Stu and have been taking that into considerations.
Looking at the steering influence of those problematic highs, but still weighing up based on trends of how these systems tend to move across the southern ocean from this point and continue to reshape themselves, i'm confident those highs over NZ will stall, keep moving it away from the coast and into an optimal window and with those highs being pretty stubborn and slow moving, allow it to deepen as it approaches the swell window. Just hope those highs move away to the E enough to allow it passage in time for the comp and that that pesky low currently setting up in the Coral Sea doesn't throw what should be a big SW wind fetch into a more Westerly one. Again, based on intuition, which is all i'm going on, i'm gonna call that all the pieces will continue to fall into place.
But i wouldn't be calling it at all yet if i were in your shoes, definitely not, when you actually have people relying on your calls. ha
note: Whilst the classic big Cloudbreak scenario is based on the map you provided, there are always alternatives to what makes a swell hit Fiji, and i think this one falls into that category. But it's going to be a shortlived window of swell when it does hit i reckon.
sucked to hear there’s a chance it could be at Restaurants.. I can see if Cloudbreak is 10ft them not wanting to send the women out so they’ll probably hold the whole thing at a smaller sized restaurants
That would be a very undesirable outcome indeed!!
Yeah this scenario would suck big time.
Cloudy or bust.
yeah apparently they’ve already commenced building the tower there.. if they do, it would be another example of why we should have separate tours atm
Not necessarily. If Cloudbreak is 15ft and bumpy with 25kt SE winds, Restaurants would be off the hook - and I reckon they'd be foolish to run it at CB on principle.
oh for sure if it’s not better at CB, Restaurants is a great wave.. but if they’re both on and CB is just bigger I’d rather see it at CB
I'm with ya on that one.
If it's at restaurants I see the advantage going to frontsider Caroline Marks with full control in the below sea level fs barrels. I don't think the girls have the bs pigdog arse drag down so well that the advantage switches to bs surfing as it does with the men sometimes. I'll be watching intently and am quite happy to be proved wrong.
Should add this low and the one preceeding it's formation has continued to stay further South compared to what it's been forecast to do for the entire week which is probably a good sign that it'll continue to do so as it tracks East or ideally SE.
Hopefully if the first part of the system doesn't deliver the follow up closer to Fiji system will in time. Like i said since i spotted it SW of Africa a week and a half ago, it's a big system and it's packing a punch. It'll do something. Complex bastard though!
"Forecast Monday 23/08/25:" *25th ;-)
Thanks team, very promising!
Rumour they might run it over 2 days- which would lead one to think Men one day if big and women on another smaller day.
Very much hope not. That would make a mockery of the Finals Day format.
That would be a better outcome than running them both on a smaller day to accomodate the women.
I'd be up for that if it means at least one of the tours gets big CB.
Gonna make it hard shuffling work on a Monday and Tuesday though.
It does make a mockery of the format but they're scrapping it because it's a mockery anyway.
Just had a surf in the hail. Sure is some energy in this system!!
Less heats, less swell, less technique, less viewers, same prize money. Shows no respect to the handful of women who are pushing the basic standard.
Model forecasts have a habit of tapering off during the mid forecast period then returning toward the end of the period. Over at a prominent snow site, a weather guru is forecasting for 27 - 31 Aug best dump for the year, so could be best winter swell for the year.
Gabby Bryant on the latest ATS podcast...
'That's the first time i've ever made a backside tube in my life' (at Teahupoo)
'I haven't surfed a left before Tahiti all year'.
Are you fucken kidding me??
Surely this can't be the standard of elite pros.
I'm tripping.
The way she surfed it looked like it was her first backside tube too.
Completely out of control, no style, yet rewarded with a high score and the heat win against someone who was tube riding properly.
second that - my thoughts too.
mind-blowing stuff isn't it.
Gabby is No 2 in the world- prize money this year of close to 500'000 USD and she is still just learning how to backside tube-ride and not interested in putting in the time to learn.
Be such a bummer if the women dodge good CB and the title is decided on turns.
The correction is coming, and fast. Provided surfers like Sierra Kerr and Milla Coco Brown can get through the Changa minefield they'll make mince meat of the current establishment.
The Woz will be forced to provide a platform for surfers like those two - no dodging the heavy days.
Spot on.
I hear what you're saying and see the skills the up and coming skater/surfer girls are bringing ... but at the same time commentators have been saying this for 15 years already!!! Since Rochelle Ballard et al starting getting tubed bs. So if it's still not here yet - call it out for what it is or bring it on.
Tya Zebrowski
Kiara Goold
Absolutely baffling FR.
Cannot think of another sport that the 'athlete' doesn't dedicate time and commitment to a whole half of their required skillset.
Imagine a tennis player that only played forehand shots.
Or a formula one race car driver that only ever drove a formula one car in their very first Grand Prix, with zero training.
Anyone remember this commentary
(American accent.. went something like this)
“And he finishes with a fly-away pull-out….
That is a coral head in the middle of the ocean which makes for a great place to exit the wave”
ok clues..
MB, JB, SS, TM.
We may have recorded something like that off a WWOS Saturday arvo highlights package in the early 80's.
What you're thinking of dawnperiscope?
NFI who it was surfing, nor commentating at the time. Dim dark recesses of memory back there.
Ahhh!!
You’re right!!
WWOS maybe 1990 I reckon.
Munga, butto, Sean slater and todd miller having this random comp.
Found it
Classic stuff
So much smaller than in my memory :)
Cool format for TV.
they edited a highlights package and then commentated over that like it was all happening sequentially.
That clip was on high rotation at my place as a grom.
"...flyaway pull-out" was the commentary giveaway.
I also reckon I got confused with Sean Slater and another guy called Kelly for a while too.
Just had a quick scan of the charts. Next Tuesday's swell is pretty well in alignment for both models. West in nature, mid-period and fairly consistent to 8ft on the sets. Let's hope winds co-operate.
Hardly at all related to the large surf hitting WA.
Bah!! Pfft!! ;-)
Ha.
And i maintain i wasn't talking about the surf here, i'm talking about the weather system creating it.
Looks like the exact same one to me. I'm sticking to my guns that itll upgrade.
The current one hitting WA moves into the Tasman Sea Thursday with the swell producer for Cloudy being a secondary surge up through the Bight Thursday/Friday, entering the Tasman this weekend. So seperate.
As a whole the progression moving east is doing so under the upper level weather pattern but the current large swell in WA isn't at all related to what's inbound for Fiji.
Agreed which is what i've been kinda banging on about all along.
Same system. Obviously not the same swell....unless it can traverse land. Don't remember ever saying it was the same swell.
There is potential though that this system could end up producing some long period stuff up through the Tasman from S of Tassie, but that ones a long shot.
Just for reference on the power of this system and it's follow up, yesterday jumped to 5m, dropped back to 4, then this arvo ramped back up to 5.5m, now hovering around 5.
Amazing to think this swells gonna hit CB!! (jokes! hehe)
Cheers for the wisdom Craig and all. Still trying to learn this shit but a bit of fun throwing my woo woo intuitive hat in the mix.
And i stick firmly to my 10foot plus call. Can't see how it won't be to be honest.
Btw i consider that low that piggy backs this low the same system as it's got a high one side and the low on the other, so same system in my books. That low that cuts away is still a part of this system and the LWT. Fark its freezing here at moment and more of that to come. Powerful system!
Also, that little belt of tradewinds that is setting up over Fiji looks spectacular for straight offshores, so they can't run to Restuarants if Cloudbreak is 10foot plus and firing while Restuarants is 4-6 foot and sideshore.
i agree with you and your optimism SR everythings gonna straighten out for an all time finals day, its the same swell or system as you insist that i spotted at bells weeks ago, i consider myself quite the weatherologist also ; )
Dissenters!! haha. Cheers @itsmemickyb.
Yeah well spottoed by you earlier last week mate! That was the first confirmation of what i was spotting too.
Such a complex mass of low pressure, kinda gotta throw the models out the window on this one in my opinion and watch the bigger picture as it unfolds.
As i mentioned, i saw it last fortnight off the SW coast of Africa and saw the size and scale of it and could tell it was the sort of system that wouldn't deteriorate on it's voyage across the Southern Ocean. It's evolved, devolved and re-evolved.
5m plus again here today, so that's 3 straight days of sustained gale force SW winds out there in the Southern Ocean. All that wind is heading straight over East. Some of it's gonna align at some point. Also noteworthy is the fact this whole system still continues to stay more South than has been forecast each day by the models. And also that big high over New Zealand looks to be the big playmaker in the fact it's not budging for a bit and looks like it's really gonna ramp things up once this system starts moving over Vic/NSW.
We'll know by the weekend if the Swellnet office is getting howling SW winds and blowing their forecaster notes off towards Fingal that we're in for something insane. :-P
plenty of weather in vic already, hope it plays ball hey
Thats how I'm seeing it too Craig.
Looks like a fairly standard trade flow (that local peculiarity Ben mentioned notwithstanding).
EC has a little downstream trough towards Vanuatu which might weaken the flow a bit, compared to the GFS resolution.
Unreal, sounds like Thredbo will be the perfect place to watch the finals.
Man I really hope JR and MP get a chance to shine at solid CB.
How many women have anybody seen surf Coudbreak when its big?
I'd rather see the womens pulling into perfect barrels at restaurants than pulling back at chunky lump Cloudbreak for 40min x 5.
Any interference at the finals in big Cloudbreak surf on the takeoff and or interference of the surfer riding in the barrel when paddling out needs to be called out by the commentators as unsportman bogan behaviour, with points & $ prizemoney instantly deducted .
Remove them off the tour if done twice, plenty of talent waiting. They can make movies about themselves.
Laura gave it a nudge in solid size…. Backhand too I might add
Ah Laura, surf godess; grab rail on a quad kicktail swallow, airy takeoff into squirrel turn. Lost earing. Participation award....
As another lightweight; a thin pintail can hold a solid line, unless you have 'pushbike thighs' to bury the rail along the whole turn into the next tubing section.
Reference
; )
...
Gerry is sorry for burning surfers at pipe.
Reference & reverence.
Interesting... we're seeing a slight divergence of the models since yesterday, rather than a slow consolidation - GFS has gone bigger (8-10ft on our new model, see below) but EC is still maintaining a more subdued pattern.
I still don't think there's any reason to deviate from the original forecast though... 6-8ft is a nice middle ground at the moment based on the broadscale long wave pattern.
Loving the rolling update within the update.
Looking at the maps GFS has 42kt SW winds at Eden latitudes & on Saturday morning whilst EC has 27kt WSW winds at the same spot/time. That’s a fairly big variation in what would hit Fiji.
- either way given how close it is to Fiji it should be consistent and have a fairly wide array of angles - a MHL spectual plot for instance would show significant energy from WSW to S?
- does Vanuatu shade some of that W energy?
On a separate but related note a NW facing ski feild in NZ which hasn’t opened yet due to lack on snow is due for an around a meter over the weekend.
Is that Cheeseman?
Temple Basin.
Cheese man, the scariest part is driving the road to get there...
Great little spot.
Must have been an update.
EC now has a few hours of 50kts pointed straight at CB.
Winds light all day on 2nd.
Yikes!
Yup. 6m plus seas in the Tasman pointing straight towards Fiji aint gonna miss.
Yikes indeed.
Restaurants?
Novelty wave inside dena’ s harbour :)
It would be a surfing sin of the highest magnitude if flawless, all time Cloudbreak, huge and firing on all cylinders with a perfect wind was snubbed for a wave of a third of the size.
Couldn't give a flying fuck who wins the final 5 if they're avoiding one of the wonders of the surfing universe.....which mind you they've scheduled with intent to run their final 5 in.
100% agree SR.
you just know they're gonna do it hey.. they're already putting the thought out there laying the platform. This format doesn't allow them to split the girls from the men like they did at chopes... you've got one chick who's only just made it out of her first backhand tube.. I can't see them wanting to send her out in 10ft roping CB.. will be such a travesty if this happens
I can't see it happening. There's nothing in the forecast that suggests they'll move away from CB, and it all just sounds like the coconut wireless gone awry.
I reckon it'll be alot bigger than 10foot.
I love your optimism SR, but from the models I'm looking at, I can't see it.
I hope you're right mate
ah perhaps! but it could be worse to exclude dozens of the world's best big waves chargers a day of macking toobs for the sake of 10 entitled snobs getting a few dubiously scored waves broadcast to the world for their sponsors and the WSL corpo greed?
Tavvy rights
Anyone surfed around Kadavu? In that area from Sunday for a week, not a surfing holiday but if there is something worth chasing nearby I'll have a look. Seems like there will be a bit of swell....
I've been to Nagigia (King Kong left), a couple of times back in the day when the surf resort was open. It's on the southern tip of the island, very exposed to swell, pretty clean on the trades. Lots of amazing setups going up the se coast, but onshore in trades and remote and only boat accessible. Swell doesn't really get in on the W coast, but maybe some spots if it's huge. Fishing is amazing.
Cheers Tiger!
Unfortunately this one doesn't love the trades, though the other end tiger mentioned is worth a look.
surf early & pay the boatman after return to land... or the Arvo Kava forgetam you; paddle back in, maybe with coral cuts, bleeding a trail 1km to shore; becoming a religious conversion experience.
The south to north projection on the 30/8 chart does move quickly through the swell winder which I assume is a factor to capping size.
The 28/8 chart must provide a useful warm up swell circa 31/8 arrival.
Indeed! That is the one factor that could throw a spanner in the works.
The whole thing might hit Fiji overnight and be gone by the morning.
6 foot at dusk, 15 foot overnight, and 4 foot in the morning.
Very concerning. I'm not sure about arrival times.
fucking invested. @sr! you got a lobster on 10'..?
now tell me, is this the same swell WA just had?
haha if you're putting money on it stick with the experts @base!
It's still a week out and they know a shitload more than me.
Yes it's the same swell from Hurrican Erin, and also the same swell from 1969 when Greg Noll surfed Makaha. It's a powerful system!!! :-P
love your constant monitoring of it!
this is a forecasting site, after all,
and we are all amateur enthusiasts : )
Agreed! That's what we're here for!
I'm just here for the cams...
Fortunetly just get on the roof to see whats going on and where I may surf.
Anyway, enough chirping from me. I've made my call. 10foot, most likely 15foot at it's peak It's close enough to the weekend now to have confidence that the maps will fall as i suspect. Lets see how it plays out. Over and out.
quick edit: While unlikely, there is still potential for a Thundercloud sized swell if the planets align. That's 20foot plus.
I'd put a lobster on that if there was a market for it.
love it, so do others, keeping the hype for the event..
long term bets are mostly chance, but fun.
Matson had Tuesday at three quarter cranking
as of 6am on the 22nd Aug. 11 days out.
(aahh, but the winds. the howling winds...
will the snows never cease?
they seem to reach back forever..)
Haha
Did you see that, did you see that?
The voice of youth, they’re still wearing flared trousers
well how would you feel if you were old enough to have..
intercourse with the partner of your choice..
yet you could not drink in pubs?
Nozin around, nozin around
You humm it , I'll smash your face in !
Loving the optimism @southern.
10 foot cloudy for finals day would be insane viewing.
15ft, 20ft plus! Haha not gonna happen.
haha i've put my lobster back in my wallet, yes. That was contingent on that deep low to the south lining up with the one that will set up in the Tasman but they're splitting...was always a longshot.
10 still and should still be the odd 15 set at it's peak from that secondary front.
Bahahahaha @ 100 percent craig!
You sure about that Lank??
Im keeping a list of the doubters and mockers here. :-P
Nothings changed as far as i'm concerned regarding size, and current maps confirm that.
I just being entertained at this point.
The bigger the better for myself. As they say
" this little piggy goes to the market".
Re ...I will end up surfing this swell.
Fark how's the swell that's gonna be hitting Tahiti around the same time. Streuth!
I thought you were over an out?
Hahaha never!!
Haha am now!! (this doesn't count!!).
- also the same swell from 1969 when Greg Noll surfed Makaha. It's a powerful system!!! :-P
Is that swell still wrapping around the globe? wouldn't that be great! what goes around keeps coming around!
Wonder if bohdi will be there ?
He's gotta be ?
Buoyweather's frothing on The 2nd. They're calling easterly rather than southeasterly trades as well, which is promising. I wonder if Jack Robinson can go all the way?
My crystal ball has JR going all the way to a final with his good mate YD and unfortunately YD takes it out in one . Molly rides a near perfect heat and opponent fails to register over 3 points for the heat total .
Yea @Supa you may have nailed it there , Robbo will have to surf 3 heats before he even gets to the final . Even the fittest superVortex Shaman that he is - its gonna take its toll . Yago fresh and strong , waiting on the deck of the superyacht anchored out there , surrounded by Brazillian supermodels .....
Come on Robbo >>>>
This is Occ talking about Robbo. From 7.04 in
?si=DwFRz49hDLnZ-enc&t=424And from stab interview with Dorian
https://stabmag.com/style/it-was-one-of-those-trips-you-always-think-of-...
"He would barely eat before he’d surf, too. It wasn’t like, Oh, I’m gonna go have a long session, I’m gonna just fuel up for a session. He’d wake up, look at it, “Aye, looks pretty good, mate, I’m out there…”
Nine hours later he’d paddle back in."
Nine Hours at Gnaraloo –– Sounds like a dystopian Australian western!
"And when you’re talking about nine hours at Gnaraloo, you’re talking about surfing through both tides. At high tide, Gnaraloo is one wave. At low tide, it’s a completely different place.
He surfed all through low tide, just completely bone dry, tripling up. Every wave he went on at low or even medium tide, it was a high risk situation. Have you surfed there?"
7am - 3pm = 9 Occy hours..
still, 8 hours is nothing to sniff at!!
(definitely a piss-suit, @burlz..)
That's how Occ signs his timesheet for billabong each day.
Blue crayon or black?
Occy can write?
My first comment of this very cool thread- I have to agree, if it's macking and perfect and they hold it at Restaurants, it'd be a travesty of the highest order.
The Boys on Fire.....Yew
?si=Jov7pGtxj7hH9pQ-Get him on a longer, heavier board, please!
I'd be surprised if he doesn't have some extra lumber in the bag and would like to see him try it.
But his standard step-up 6'6" EA seems to work up to 10'+ ...so.
You're right, and Eric is a master. Just thought that CB isn't a perfectly smooth canvas, and he looked a bit chattery in that vid.
A lot of my comment is just a reflection of my taste. In a phase of loving rail and slowing things down.
Did well to make that barrel at the 2.50 mark
I get a different feeling when I see Jack on those rising sun Arakawas.
Someone is going point out that's not OK anymore nowadays - the symbolism doesn't stop at AI's old boards.
In what way FR?
Nothing I can put into words Fitzy- I just get good feels.
Ah, ok, good feels. I wasn't sure which way you were thinking.
As IB commented on that vid, I agree, it looks like it needs a little more weight to me.
And I personally love the spray job on the bottom.
Noice. Hoping that 6'8" gets a bit of go time.
Great looking boards
RIP AI
Yeah? I'm feeling happy whenever he's on the EA step-ups.
As for the spray ...well, I am a clear-coat kinda guy.
You might find this story interesting freeride76. A few years ago we had a bar in Vietnam and one day an Argentinian backpacker happened along and liked the place and asked to stay and help out, and we got on great and he stayed for two years and helped out in many ways and did many things to make our bar better. But not everything he did worked out, and one of the things that didn't work out was he painted a rising sun on a wall with Luca Prodan in the middle. It looked great and the night he finished it we celebrated by standing around looking at it, drinking and listening to Sumo albums. And a few days later one of our old regulars came in, an old Korean fellow who had been drinking whiskey at our bar every Friday night for ages, and he said, 'If you don't take it down I'm not coming back.' So we painted over it.
EC is back on board! I knew we could count on ya fella.
GFS has slightly pegged back size from yesterday's increase too.
Check the updated forecast later this morning for more details.
Also, EC (and now GFS too) both have a slight rotor breeze for Tuesday early afternoon.
Just sayin'...
Why not just go to a wave pool then ?
while Italo's Just Doing It at Restaurants,
what's the bet Kelly parks his private yacht
(his family's on board apparently)
over at Cloudbreak and has his own finals day?
Caity and Molly not in the WSL clip, perhaps didn't share the enthusiasm to shift to Restaurants. Jack and Italo also didn't seem very keen.
Exactly. Why not hold it anywhere. Some nice 4/5ft peaks at my home break this morning. If they do this I’d like to go back to different tours. No parallel tours that don’t take advantage of locations conditions.
Click bait!
Gabriella talking like she surfed it before???
Ffs!
No. Just no.
Well, that would be shit. Hopefully there's a non WSL live stream of CB if that happens.
sounds like they going to pander to the women
What a disaster if this ends up happening, it's almost comical.
Holding out with seriously misplaced optimism that this is just some sort of smoke screen marketing attempt to rile everyone up and then gift us CB which has been spruiked to us all year anyway.
Don’t agree with it, don’t want to see it, but I can totally see why WSL see it as a good option.
Only a couple of the gals have the skill set for big Cloudy, and while all the men do, the options of a variety of different images - barrel, air, big hack - is probably tempting for marketers trying to sell to a non-surfing audience.
And the risk of a no wave heat in the finals for some of the women is non-zero if it is macking.
"Only a couple of the gals have the skill set for big Cloudy, and while all the men do,"
Which is the whole reason for deciding a legitamate world champion. They have the skill sets in ALL conditions.
At this stage I don't think the expected size range (say, eight feet) should really be a consideration for any decision making to move venues.
Conditions, sure.
Couldn't they just do mens at cloudy and womens at Restaurants if that is the concern....
What about the 3rd at Cloudbreak, if rotor winds/size are an issue on the 2nd for the women, from the late morning onwards? Feel sorry for some of the more legit peeps having to tow the company line in the media, they must be disgusted deep down. They should do the men on the 2nd and the women on the 3rd. Not great news for JR.
I can see they need alternating male / female heats running to give the last heat winner a breather, why cant they double the judging and media crew to use both locations if CB is too big for (some of) the females?
lunch on tavi with todays 25kt Northerlies howling through the restaurant would be no ones ideal vacation..... I reckon theres gonna be a lot of mental fraying on that island the next few days, pros, families, entourage, media, wozzle stooges all trying to keep heads together..... Quite the reality TV show in the making.
This shit is made for the E-Lo era.
Least stir-crazy wins the title.
The WZL Love Boat is already in pre-production.
Strider and Renato were looking pretty rough in the restaurant the other day. Reminded me of Survivor contestants.
And in he walks. Not the ringmaster anymore, and he knows it, he's the Joker, in a sinister mood, throwing shade left, right and centre. "A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man", but he wants a WSL horror show ?
?si=2XSgJxYI6sHu_vy3Restaurants..?
Makes sense as the WSL are dining out on the manufactured drama.
Good play, Dave Prodan.
Restaurants likes a south wind… doesn’t it?
Ahhhhhhh yes. Well done everyone. Now because of the minority of women who won’t surf 8 foot cloudbreak we have to shift the entire finals to a smaller wave to make the minority feel comfortable.
Sounds familiar these days Burls.
Tik tok blakey bros. ...
Not sure how they can just change the goal posts all the time with no legal ramifications from the athletes themselves.
We had the finals day format changed a few weeks ago and now the shift in venues.
Let’s say you’re an aspiring final 5 player and between each event you’ve spent your time and money chasing CB swells to put in the work bcos that’s where finals day is being held and then a week out they change the venue to a spot I assume doesn’t break unless CB is 6 foot plus.
It’s a bloody embarrassment on their behalf and slowly on us bcos we’re following this circus.
Rebel tour coming up.
It will be the biggest anti climatic WSL decision ever if the muppet Renato makes the decision to go to Restaurants....
As the old Quiksliver slogan says... If ya cant rock n roll dont farken come....
A similar swell hit Restaurants on 31st May this year. Lower period and more westerly angle than is ideal for Cloudbreak. I think the WSL might be making a good call for once.
Looks like it was easy 8ft at Restaurants for the swell I'm talking about
^ if restys is that size would be good.......maybe they like to sit back with a couple beers and judge from the pool than sit in a boat getting sea sick.....mmmm
I'm all for it if the conditions are going to be better at restaurants. Would rather see the best surfers surfing pumping restaurants then wobbly Cloudbreak
This 100%.
Females demanded same money and remember there is only half as many well the world demands they surf the same waves as the males they keep harping on theyre just as good well here we go prove it females demand to surf cloud break because thats what the surfing demands.
I must admit I had my arse handed to me by 10ft set last year out there
its definitely the real deal.
WSL and Blakey bro's must be sitting back in their chairs laughing at the hysteria on here.
I don't like the disparaging comments about moving due to women being unable to handle big CB - didn't Molly and Caity prove what they are capable of just a fortnight ago? Caity with her small frame will be challenged if its big and windy but I bet she'd go down charging. Betty Lou and to a lesser extent Gabby also have a red-hot go. I hope they are not reading these comments.
Restaurants will be a great choice if it's huge (which I doubt) and strong south winds at CB.
The Blakey brothers? Those guys who sat back mid heat and said nothing about the Toledo winning ghost score against Julian ? Those guys? Yeah nah
agree re the gals - they did fine in tahiti
If Restaurants like in 2012, this would be crap. The cool thing i remember about Rs is Gabe, Mick & Joel had a Round 4 heat and Mick & Joel told 18yo Gabe they would work him in the heat (they were all staying together on Nomoto). Young Gabe crushed them; also doing lots of airs over the reef. But i want to see the boys at Cloudbreak. As for the girls, I don't care But the boys must be at Cloudbreak if its big.
?si=2ubgJArqb8fv8IJoWSL presser:
The first possible Yellow Alert day in the event window will be September 1st, when the new swell starts to arrive in Fiji in the four-to-six foot, maybe five-to-seven foot range, which is going to allow us to trigger the Yellow Alert at 7:30 a.m. local time. This could also be a second training session for the surfers, both at Cloudbreak and Restaurants. Restaurants is also an option to run for this event. The swell forecast for September 2nd is currently in a 10-to-15-foot range with a short period and W angle. It's showing to be a good swell for the Restaurants reef. It's early days on the forecast. We know forecasts can change, and we will continue with the next update on Monday.”
World’s Best Wait for Large Incoming Swell, Showing Potential for Restaurants
"Over the next few days, an incoming swell is forecasted to bring excellent conditions to Fiji. As the swell begins to build, the Final 5 will have plenty of time to prepare ahead of the Yellow Alert with dedicated practice sessions in the coming days.
While the unique nature of the swell will provide opportunity for the two available locations for the event to run, Cloudbreak and Restaurants, its likely prime focus will be Restaurants, potentially delivering all-time conditions."
Sounds like they are going to run at Restaurants.
I mean, it's not the worst result- but still, it's a far cry from the challenge to the worlds best that CB brings.
Restaurants just doesn't look as good as it surfs.
Ver much a bummer from my perspective- I want to see these guys and girls challenged to the edge of their abilities- not stalling and toying with it.
I want to see pros get their skill sets audited by CB.
Everybody except the WSL want to see it run at CB. They hyped it all year with visions of large, perfect surf then pull this crap via stealth through social media.
This is the WSL's Fyre Festival.
Why do time and time again the WSL treat their audience as if they're stupid?
Spot on about it surfing better than it looks. I’ve surfed both a bit and was more daunted at 6ft restaurants than 6ft cb
Or run it Wednesday or Thursday at CB winds permitting.
Restaurants swings the advantage back to Yago and Italo I’d imagine…certainly sounding like the preferred option from the Woz…hmmm…
Dunno. IF it’s firing like Roseman thinks it will be, it’ll be draining, with speed control winning the day. It’s Robbo sandpit.
Is the finals location a vote by the pro surfers or WSLtd? Tricky choices...
Gals have funneling restaurants (goofyfoot USA favourite)
Guys may have big Cloudbreak...? (positioning and duck diving essential)
"A chaotic dance between duck diving 12-15ft sets and scoring the dreamiest Cloudbreak POV barrels. The water was so clear you could see the violence underwater as massive waves exploded around us. This is raw, real, and straight from the impact zone — my favorite moments from Fiji."
You can just picture Kelly whispering into the Contest Directors ear : " yeah, run it at Restaurants , it will be sick , " meanwhile ... 5 am , before dawn ,contest day , Kelly sneaks out to 8 foot cloudy under the cover of darkness to have it all to himself .......
until he sees Hedgey !, already out there , after paddling out at 3 in the morning ....
lol, from Namotu
hahahaha brilliant
Imagine having to win heats for 4 hours in an televised amphitheatre of critics ....
till someone breaks ..... & win... one epic match. Movie worthwhile.
Watched this not long ago BBBird. What a game hey! .
SR - hope you are well bud. You thinking it will run Tuesday
Heya FrazP. Going good thanks.
Hope alls good there too.
Yeah looks like a goer for sure.
Still confident it'll be in the 10ft plus range.
A captured fetch of 60kph sustained winds moving straight towards Tavarua for a 12 hour period can only result in waves of 10foot plus, especially on a reef that drops 1000m into deep ocean and faces straight into the oncoming swell.
Shame they're gonna be running at Restuarants cos that swell angle at Cloudbreak would mean big gaping barrels. Would be as spectacular as surfing gets especially with the perfect winds and lack of swell contamination from any other storms.
It'll be mean so i guess they don't wanna risk it.
Still not ruling out the odd 15 foot set right at the peak of the swell, but pretty confident it'll be 10foot plus, and 10-12 at its peak.
Good to hear SR. We (I) want CB!. I mean if Restaurants is 8ft and CB is not right - ok - but otherwise it must run at CB. Think Jack has a better chance at CB, Molly too. Notice Kelly saying preference is to see it as Restaurants - if it's classic 6-8ft and too big at CB - with outer and inner reef breaking.
Is that a pot gut forming on Kelly?
hahaha. Too many Fijian Bitters??
Taking into account all the parameters above SR, if Cloudy is 10ft+, what does that put Restaurants at?
Nearly every comment I've read on the various social media are counter to the narrative being pushed by the WSL, that is for it to be a legitimate final, it's gotta be at Cloudbreak.
I'll still enjoy it, but watching what's happening at a smaller, hi-fi wave and knowing what's going down out the back I'd be feeling a little ripped off.
Hiya Zen.
Ahh probably not in my encyclopedia of knowledge of Fiji. I'm more attuned to the exposed spots, and as far as i can tell Restuarants is pretty much at a 90degree angle around the clock to Cloudy? Or maybe it's just shielded by Cloudy and the other reefs. Which makes sense if as i've heard some commentary, the swell period isn't too big, that evens up the amount of energy reaching both reefs as there's less wrapping and refraction going on outside that would normally extinguish alot of the energy reaching the inside reefs.
But like i said, i dunno that much. I'd imagine Restuarants would be more susceptible to tide (although note the tides aren't too crazy) and also wind. From what i can gather the wind for Cloudbreak will be primo but sideshore for Restuarants.
As much as i wanna see Cloudy, i can't help but wonder how a Gabby Bryant might go trying to make a takeoff at Restuarants, since she's only been left once this year. It looks damn fast.
But agreed, ripped off if there's bigger and better waves on offer at Cloudbreak.
Been thinking alot this week of how the surfers who formed the world tour would surf anything. Even if they knew it could kill them. They were willing to put their lives on the line for the glory. I think that's how surf comps should be. It should reflect the upper extreme of the surfing experience...at least when it comes to handing out the title of the very best surfer in the entire world.
Cheers Southern. I just really really wanna see the pros go to town at one of the top 5 'waves of the world imo' and not its smaller cousin.
Agreed!! Only a fool would turn their back on 10foot Cloudbreak if they're equipped to take it on both physically and mentally and with the right equipment.
Don’t think it matters really , Yago is going to win regardless . It’s all become bit of an anticlimax . Hope some big wave chargers turn up and put on a show at CB .
Well then, go Molly and Griff. Downgrade?
Thanks again guys for these rolling forecasts - love it.
Makes me wonder - this has to be strong contender for longest thread ever on Swellnet doesn't it?
Probably is. I think the past record is 300 or thereabouts.
However, there's a little bit of artificial inflation with this one - rolling an older article from one day to the next.
Cheers Stu, do we know what this one's at? Easy to see on your side or is manual count required?
Yeah, you should be able to see the comment count in the homepage breakout image for each story.
FWIW your last one was 343 and mine takes it to 344.
And also the 1,102,243rd comment for the site (if it started at 0).
Ah yes, hadn't noticed that before!
Cheers Stu (and team) great stuff.
Hold On ....Webber has just announced a new wave pool
Gold!!
WSL really selling restaurants as the preferred break now . If it’s under 6ft for the women I’m changing my pick for the win to CS . I would love to see pickles take it out but believe Simmer’s to be the better tube rider. Hope I’m wrong .
Pina Coladas in the jacuzzi seem to be making Restaurants the preferred option
does anyone get sick of seeing good waves go unridden in 2 man heats ?
why not run 2 women AND 2 men in every heat. In pumping surf the women who don't go well in the big stuff will be hunting the in-betweeners leaving the sets to those who charge. That way we all spend less time watching unridden waves. Makes for less cringe worthy viewing when Fili or any of the women fail to turn and go a bomb.
They have to alternate Men's and Women's rounds to give the winner of the previous a heat a break before their next heat.
Good old woz , sending out lots of different ideas as this thing rolls near...
Not sure if they are sure of where and when the comp will take place...
Lots of " yeah,nahs" at the moment.
Wsl post just now mentioning practice session will be livestreamed tomorrow
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1CFCSVAtie/
I’d back Simmers and Robbo if it’s proper restaurants. Calm and control required whilst going mach 10, and the wave standing up with mushrooms of coral under your fins. It’s an intense wave. Those two would be most comfortable.
I think Caroline Marks will be more comfortable FS than any girl BS - but I'll be watching and am quite happy to be proved wrong by chicks dragging arse.
Great little interview. His comments on preparation were on point.
dad bod kelly
Given all the talk of moving to restaurants, how big will it be based off the current forecast?
Next official forecast from us is tomorrow.
time to get cranky and vocal on the socials in protest against what is clearly them laying the hints for running it at restaurants. cloudbreak or bust. i want to see some turbo shit, not some medium shit.
Looks like the Forecast has dropped back off last 2 model runs, surely they can’t run at restaurants if it’s only 6-8ft at cloudbreak ?
Craig will probably put this view to shame tmrw but my 2c: The period looks like it's right at bottom end of OK range for CB (i.e. not great) but pretty good for Restaurants. If the low behaves as forecast and the swell does have a strong west component to it then most of the swell should get into Restaurants and we're probably looking at 6' Restaurants at its peak, smaller (maybe 4' earlier). I'm wondering whether they are worried about sectiony CB because period is too short.
The problem to work around is timing of the swell's arrival - it doesn't look to fully hit until lunch time on 2nd. They only need 6-7 hrs to run the whole thing so could wait for mid morning start (added bonus is tide will be better for Restaurants then).
I suspect if CB is lined up and 6'+ for the early they'll pull the trigger on CB. If its sectiony/wobbly/breaking between the ledges (lots of wash through sets like in Koa's video above) they'll probably go on hold.
Am still hoping its 6 to 8 foot CB, and too small for Restaurants.
Yep 6-8 with the occ. 10ft set- down the end at Shish Kebabs.
Can't see this swell necessitating Restaurants over CB.
Cloud break or nowhere
Random question to the SN team (or others), do the competitors have to pay for their accommodation at Tavarua/Namotu or does the WSL just book both islands out? If the WSL pay for it, how many other events do they cover accommodation for?
Back in the day the Ozzies stayed on namotu
Yanks on tavi
There was a certain drink they created on Namotu.
Don't think it's ever been cheap it just used to be way cheaper than current
Luxury tourist prices.
Fiji gold? There beers are very Australian like
The skulldrag,
ah, lanky's Fiji trivia ...already has a winner!
drunk barbering followed not long after ,
Go grab yourself a haircut and a goodtime!
Good question Sprout. Surely the WSL have to pay... maybe they've got some agreement or deal with the accommodation?
As an aside, I've always wondered what coin the commentators are on, especially the ones like Joe and Strider who are consistently there for the year.
For regular season contests, CT competitors have (or at least had - past-tense) to pay their own way.
There had been some grumbling in past years when the Woz and entourage had booked all good accommo in town before announcing the scheduling. That wouldn't be a thing if the Woz paid for accommodation for everyone.
Fiji is a bit different as accommodation is limited.
In short, I don't know the answer.
Hope that helps!
A lot of the WSL instagramming has been from the Fiji Marriott Resort i.e. the closest mainland resort to CB. Might have everyone staying there rather than the more exclusive joints close by.
Haha thanks Stu, I think.
Pudgy Old Man giving it Some...
53 yo giving it some indeed! I wonder if that's a new Tomo shape or a proven Dan Mann shape?
Practice session is live:
Geez, Italo is ripping
Incredible surfing.
Good one from Caz M too.
I reckon if they move to Restuarants it's a massive advantage for Caz Marks on the womens side of the draw.
Marks biggest board is 6’2 , she has 12 boards can’t see her catching any 8ft bombs at CB on her gun . Jack R biggest is 6’8 has 8 boards which is much more practical .
Caz and probably Caity too FR - I reckon Restaurants is a phenomenal wave on your backhand - can use arse for speed control and then swing top to bottom in the hook. As long as its 4'-5' it will be better than sectiony 6'+ CB.
Such mixed views above on choice of venue. I reckon they'll make the right choice - I realise everyone is fixated on CB but it's pretty diabolical on a short period (close to unsurfable at 10 secs or less). 12-13secs as forecast is far from classic CB which requires 16 secs+, rule of thumb is the longer the period the more lined up and mechanical it gets. There'll be unicorn waves in the mix at 12-13secs but its not a great outcome when there's only one every few heats and whoever catches it wins the heat.
Risk is if the wind comes up out of the NW to NE on Tue afternoon then Restaurants will turn into an air show which would be a let down.
The comp ran last year in 12 or 13 seconds period.
Was a little funky dory put there.
Yago had a tantrum.
Was an interesting little episode.
Said on live air that he is a better surfer than jack.
1 and 2 on the mens draw are notorious for melting under pressure.....do do boop ba da do do ....
Latest forecast has rolled in.
Homepage image has also changed to reflect the forecast (but not the bias of Swellnet's staff - no sirree)
Nudge, wink ...say no more, guv.
haha!
I'm still confident we'll see 10foot for a few hours Tuesday.
Cheers for the notes.
Fingers crossed SR.
Indeed mate.
First couple of hours of fetch just started now. Hopefully that low moves nice and slow and whips things up from here on. The slower the better at this point.
Only bummer is, the bigger it is, the less chance of Cloudbreak.
We'll see what plays out.
Indeed mate.
First couple of hours of fetch just started now. Hopefully that low moves nice and slow and whips things up from here on. The slower the better at this point.
Only bummer is, the bigger it is, the less chance of Cloudbreak.
What i do know is if that map was positioned straight S of here, at that distance, it's a guaranteed 8-10 foot of swell on the exposed coasts, minimum. And i reckon the period will stretch out slightly more too by the time it reaches Fiji. Should get to 14secs or maybe 15 which will be good for the exposed reefs.
We'll see what plays out.
Yep it's all weakened down a notch, not ideal at all. 10ft sets highly unlikely.
Thanks for update Craig.
EC and Access have winds intensifying to 40-50 knots on the far eastern edge of Fiji's swell window (300-400km west of NZ Nth Island) in the early hours of Sunday morning. GFS not in alignment.
If this scenario comes to fruition, do you think there's a credible chance that Wed morning will have the largest and longest period swell at CB albeit unfortunately with 2 swells in the water (your southern component swell generated Sat + swell from the above)?
Nevermind. GFS won the day.
How far has the sport progressed over the last decade if at all?
Taj on fire.
What an incredible heat and if you're gonna lose, you want to lose like that.
And Pottz calling the shottz no less.
What's the go with the shorter period swells making it up the channel better to Restaurants over longer period swell? I'm not quite understanding that. Where I live the shorter period swells lose way more size wrapping into the points than long period swell. I'm just a bit perplexed about that.
Longer period swells feel the bottom earlier and lose their energy accordingly, while shorter period swells - especially if they have a direct hit and don't have to refract - can travel further in shallower water.
To get to Restaurants, swells have to travel NE up the channel between Tavi and Namotu, which for 500m is under 50m deep, and often much less than that.
A shorter period swell - which holds its energy higher in the water column - can make good ingress because there's less bottom drag.
Around where I live there are many estuaries - big bays, wide rivermouths - many of which are great novelty wave set ups, though they're all in shallow water. I've found a well-aimed mid-period swell will often outperform higher period swells at those spots.
Nolan is very insightful...Deluxe Dream Ideal Washed Up Gaming Tour!
(Best Finals Day Combo Scores by any 2/4 surfers) + SF > F ( Higher scores )
Trestles Finals Heat 2 Average combo scores rank high > M 17.16 W 17.82 (Exciting finish!)
All see higher scores for Men + Women over men...so WTF WSL ban that dream tour finish!
Like lets hold final in least scoring venue and not push into excellent score range...all say aye! WTF!
Ranch Average M 17.53 (SF4 > F6) W 16.98 (SF4 > F6) Wavepools improve scores to finals
Trestles Average M 17.10 (SF3 > F5) W 16.62 (SF5 >F3) L/R A frame rewards fair Finals Scores
Fiji Pro Average M = 16.77 (SF10 > F6 ) W 16.31 (SF7 > F1) (Yawn with No 2nd Final wave on horizon)
Supastoked! Wish you were here to watch paint dry, same as last time!
Likely be no waves left for a second Final Heat anyway...all are still asleep after first final siesta.
(Watchtower >>> Signals top Coach >>> Whispers to Bench Warmer = Ya just won 20 to 1 Pool.)
Fiji Pro Finals Days Action is indeed dwindling away the more ya pay as ya say. (WSL : More of that! Yew!)
2008 (SF.1) 18.70 + (SF.2) 17.67
2012 (SF.2) 19.50 + (SF.1) 13.93
2013 (F) 19.80 +....... (SF.2) 17.07
2014 (F) 18.40 +....... (SF.1) 14.00
2015 (F) 20.00 +........(SF.2) 16.57 + (W) (.......F) 18.56 + (SF.2) 18.40
2016 (F) 15.60 +....... (SF.2) 13.33 + (W) (SF.2) 19.04 + (SF.1) 17.47
2017 (F) 16.60 +.............. (F) 15.70 + (W) (SF.2) 13.54 + (SF.2) 13.40
2024 (SF.2) 16.26 + (SF.2) 15.17 + (W) (SF.2) 15.26 + (SF.1) 14.83
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Board with or without whatever rider can be judged by AI replay in a Hong Kong Karaoke Bar!
You'd wanna pray every wave stat ever is wrong & Fiji punches out 4 half decent finals Waves for first time ever!
Magic Happens on the dream tour...Coughing fit! Wake up to yerself tbb!
Into the 5th hour of a 1000km fetch of sustaiined gale force winds pointed straight at Fiji, with another possible 4 or 5 hours of the same coming up. Booya!!
Love your positivity SR.
Unfortunately its moving very fast . As the system passed Vic there were sustained winds at 40knts with gusts to 55knts but only for 4 hrs and then things settled very quickly to 30-40knts and then 20-30knts all within 11hrs.
And then there's the timing. The swell from the short-lived peak wind period appears to arrive after dark on Tue so I don't share your positivity for much of Tue. Will be lucky to be 6' for Jack and Italo but hopefully 6'-8' by time the last of the finals hit the water.
Unlikely that it'll run at Restaurants.
Yeah you're possibly right @Nolan and good intel.
It did appear to slow and reintensify a little last night.
If i still was working over in Fiji and had a boatload of guests to take out to the outer reefs, and saw that map last night, i'd be quietly shitting myself! haha.
Duration is definitely a factor since swell decay will take place...but i'm still feeling like it's gonna pack a bit more of a punch.
Either way, looks like there's gonna be waves on tap for finals day, and couldn't ask for more than that. Yeww!
Given what the surf has been like we're indeed lucky to get anything over 4'.
I think the map looked better than the system deserved - its overall structure and fetch looked great but isobars weren't close enough together and it had its skates on. Lord Howe Island (20 to 40knts for 4 hrs / 20-30knts for 12hrs) and Norfolk Island (20 to 30knts for 9 hrs) came in a touch under EC forecasts/similar to GFS.
The low is forecast to turn into a beast once it passes NZ and should produce for Chopes - the west bowl will be intense come Wed.
Definitely a concern on that front.
I did check nsw cams yesterday morning and they didn't match the live map data so that definitely is a worry for my forecast. Anyway, hopefully it strengthened again west of NZ but if theres a flaw in my guestimate, you've nailed it :-P
SR - I feel like we need to see some skin in the game. Nudie run if it’s 6-8ft?
haha nobody needs that @dawnie!!
Instead, I'll retire my amateur woo woo forecasters hat.
Fairs fair. :-D
I took on Craig for the gland forecast and lost. I feel like SR is on the same path. Just for our reference post a photo of your idea of a 10ft Cloudbreak wave Southern. Then we've got a perfect reference.
Gday Burlz. Ha yeah, i actually think it's scarier taking on the Swellnet godfathers than it is a 10foot Fijian outer reef!
Hard to find a pic but something in this zone for mine.
Might get 2 or 3 hours of this at some point through the day.
https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th/id/OIP.Eb4Gr5tfRwQc6tk1UlBpogHaE5?pid=ImgDet...
btw if they do run at Restuarants, we may never know. There's no way the Woz are gonna show any footage of CB if they don't run there.
I was thinking the same as Burleigh re everyone’s different wave height scales but that’s an accurate image of a 10 footer imo @southern.
It will be epic if we see some of those.
Is that you btw?
Nah just a randim pic off google
Ikl dig into my archives and try to find a pic since the fiji froth is bubblimg
Here ya go Moons. Got my arse absolutely handed to me on this one!! hahaha.
In my defence, i'd had 10 cups of kava with the local boys the night before,
I was on a 6'3", and bloody Swellnet said it was only going to be 3-4 foot this day..
Cheers SN!! hehe
Just on that, this swell was from an almost identical weather setup as the one playing out now. A powerful front swept across SE oz, blizzards, then popped out into the Tasman. It shouldn't have been solid, but...those Fijian reefs do funny things way out there.
They're not swell magnets, more so swell enhancers.
Did manage to get a couple of waves of a lifetime that day once i learnt how to knife a take off after this liplaunch.
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Shit yeah, going for it. That looks so warm and blue, epic. Love it.
Cheers Moons! Nothing beats that Fijian blue :)
If ya don’t go ya don’t know . Sometimes those wipeouts are a good thing in that your confidence builds after surviving the wipeout and settles the nerves . Very ambitious on a 6’3 , who do you think you are ? JJF ? Just kidding, I had a double overhead day at rote last year and SN had it at 1 ft , best 1ft I’ve ever had . Those waves look beautiful SR how about posting a few more of that session ?
Haha spot on Supa! Can tell u speak from experience. Haha fark there was a 6'6" Pang on the boat. Should have used that but i loved this board. Funny after i got smoked, which included my board cracking me in the jaw underwater, getting pressed on the reef and tearing some muscles in my side when the lip atomised me, i paddled back out saying to myself, 'just do what john john does, just do what A.I does". It worked! Scary as hell though free falling w your tail above you and the lip throwing over. Board did the job though!
Ahh would love to share more but better not. The other pics show the true perfection and dont wanna post that all over a public forum. Maybe another time in the photos thread.
So sick you scored those waves in Roti ya maddog!! Sounds insane!! Have seen a few pics from a bombing swell there this year. Might have been the same time that u scored. Unreal mate.
so that's not Cloudy?
Correct mate.
@ southy
Charges harder than # fil
Another one from that day.
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Not a soul out, 20kms out to sea, just my mate the boat skipper snapping pics.
As good as waves i've ever seen in my life...vids or pics included. No need to say where. Those who know will know.
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I haven’t been to Fiji but I think I know the spot.
Does that one and CB end up being roughly the same size?
That's the one @bnkref.
Ssshhh! Don't let Seaton see these pics !!!!!
Kelly will be noticeably absent from the restaurant of its like that!
I reckon that would be an accurate 10 footer above.
My American mate the other day reckons John Roseman was calling it Restaurants swell. I'm so hoping that it will still be CB.
Ha! My lucky day in China- comment 444 ↑.
half your luck?
(orange with envy ; )
Better than red with rage.
Cloudbreak locked in as location for the call on Tuesday, restaurants back up location. Great to hear !
Possibly .
Always happy, always psyched, reef bootie skull drag ....the RENATO !!!!
8 @ zenagain ., making it gold also.
Possibly some sarcasm from Zen!
4 is unlucky as you can get in China.
WSL have gone yellow alert re a start for tomorrow.
All looks on track for building 6-8ft, mid-period surf through the afternoon, more so later than not.
Conditions look best in the morning with those 'rotor' winds kicking in from the west into the afternoon but hopefully without too much strength.
Just saw that they're (WSL) throwing up the possibility of running over two days, so if that wind is an issue, they could do Wednesday morning in clean, easing 6ft+ surf.
Good morning @ craig , Ben, free, stu and co.
Thanks for keeping us more updated than the woz itself ! Cheers !!!!
Eddy winds,
Geeze hard to nail down how strong.
They do turd up conditions to no end.
Wait for the phone call from the mountains
Wos please don't pick up.
^ Good idea if they have that option ...dont want to see the final in slop when they have the time to get it right
The following Tues/Wed forecast any form of reliable at this stage?
Both EC and GFS showing a low forming north of NZ north island on Tue 9th with 30-40 knt winds kicking up a solid mid period SW swell with SW winds - much better Restaurants than CB. Likely to be a separate smallish SW swell in water as well.
I think you are SC based so you'll know all about the flukiness of those lows. Typically, they are not great for Fiji and a minor axis shift sees the forecast shift from 8'+ to 2'-3'. Still, better to have hope!
Thanks Nolan, I didn't think to look where it was forming, yes SC so used to the hit and miss haha. I'll be out at SRs spot, so hopefully not in the 12-15ft range!
We'll have to call it SR's!
SR's doesn't like a SW'er so hopefully that low slips a bit lower and you get it like SR's photos.
Good luck and let us know how you go.
Onshore plus too much W in the swell that end section...
Will do.
That day had a tonne of W in the swell Sprout, so as you can imagine it was freight training the whole length of the reef. No easy entries at all.
It actually kinda took that end section out of it cos you could make the most of the wave from right up the top of the reef and didn't have to mess around too much with that horrible gurgly end section.
Lucky bugger. Hope you score mate. Say hi to her for me.
Magical part of the world.
I've only been out there once- in a small boat and it was 12-15ft- frightening.
Fark!!
That is a good call.
Sometimes wind can just drop right out to light/variable and Cloudy can go sheet glass.
Had that one day- was 6-8ft hard trades, every boat went in.
Wind dropped out to oilslick tubes with just me and 3 mates- probably best waves of my life.
Hopefully OK to post this Ben/SN team - if not delete it.
If you haven't read Sean Doherty's account of the 2012 swell then have a read to get you in the mood for tmrw (will obviously be different tmrw, though if this doesn't get you pumped, nothing will).
A little teaser: Screw up the drop and you were in trouble. “When it’s big you really see how heavy that place is,” said Ian Walsh. “Long, violent hold-downs. And the second wave in the set and third wave you don’t get pushed in, you get pushed down the reef and it doesn’t lose any size as you get pushed down the line. It keeps pushing you into the worst spot for every wave of the set until you end up on dry reef.”
The biggest I've surfed it is 12' and the whole experience, particularly the hold downs was/were terrifying. Hell, the hold downs are full on at 8'. These guy's call 15' mid range and 20' large. Unfathomable.
Yago and Caity were so smoooth surfing today.
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Luck of finding the clean set waves will be for winners & grinners.
eg. Sunday NSW; S Swell bouy peaked at 9am.... 6-8 ft faces on the inside ledge ....however; every 30 minutes a 10ft set would roll in and clear the line up as the tide came in. Sets peaked in consistency coming up to the high tide , everyone was washed in for a late lunch.
Graphic of SE trades winding around the mtns.
https://earth.nullschool.net/#2025/09/02/0700Z/wind/surface/level/orthog...
Thanks for the rollin updates and wide goal posts.
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