Next Federal Election
Why would Opti care so?
Goldstein is a long way from his home.
So is Adam’s seat.
thermalben wrote:Optimist wrote:Two more frauds bite the dust…
Adam Bandt and Zoe Daniels are frauds?
In what way?
In what way? Great question @ben … @opti’s judgement should be questioned on most issues, I still cannot believe how he on three occasions here on SN questioned the motives of Parliament House rape victim Brittany Higgins. #jebuswept
This is interesting. After a bit of a deep dive.
What the hell happened in Goldstein that this self serving arsewipe got back in.
I totally understand how people might not like one candidate or the other. Elections shouldn't be popularity contests but the reality is there's a degree of that in play every time.
But calling someone a 'fraud' implies they've done something dishonest, and my understanding of Zoe Daniels at least is that she's worked really hard for her community, in a pretty tough electorate (though to be honest, aren't they all?).
I don't know much about Adam Bandt beyond the media headlines, but wasn't aware of any impropriety on his part either.
Though again, I can understand why people may not like him - unfortunately he's the party leader which means it's his job to be in the headlines as much as possible, which (unfortunately) means pissing off a lot of people every day (other party members are rarely known beyond their electorate, party leaders are known nationally so everyone has an opinion of 'em).
Wilson, ^^ yep plus ex IPA mouthpiece plus co-chair of a former House of Representatives parliamentary review which he unashamedly turned into a political witch hunt on Shorten’s housing policy, breaking political convention dating back to federation.
Tim Wilson has been described in the past as a liberal moderate, well he aren’t, a nasty piece of work in the mould of Sophie Mirabella
Good luck to him also Opti in my opinion.
But his personal choices might not align with your god’s ;);)
Great posts by all above. Enjoyable reading.
Just on @adam12s post, which was excellent reading btw, the fact Australia is a lucky country and has the luxury to procrastinate, and is slow moving and half arsed at implementing any great change or foundational law, is probably something we should celebrate to an extent. Should we be in a country that didn't have the luxury of procrastination, i'm pretty sure all the i's would be dotted, t's crossed, no loose ends and we'd live in a way more rationalized society, akin to a loss of freedom. Thank fuck we're so isolated from the rest of the world that so far, it hasn't really been a problem we've had to deal with. Keep those bootstraps nice and loose i say!
Cheers.
yep supa, both ends of bali are different, some places a mix, some places are dominated, some places even nyepi is ignored... which must be a bit of point of contention in those bordering villages...
bottom line is indo's are an incredibly tolerant people - and good sleepers, they could sleep through a train wreck, whilst being on the train...
I find the call to prayer very pleasant and even nourishing too, most enjoyable, at the right time... at a reasonable time in the afternoon and early evening, used to love it in big dirty jakarta early evening, felt it cleansed my dirty soul, or more so jakarta's big dirty soul... 4.00 in the morning - not so much...
but having said that, you live in a muslim neighbourhood long enough, you don't even hear it after a while...
and you respect it. if you choose to live in a predominantly and historically muslim place, that's what you do, it's simple rules for life, that just about every reasonable person agrees on...
and Its pretty much the point gs-co is making, you respect the culture and history... he puts a contemporary academic bent on it... which a lot of you dislike, dismiss, deny... but it's the same principle...
my point was in the inevitable SM arguments around the recent western sydney example, people reflexively jumped to the '...it's just the same as church bells...' argument
with the insinuation being you're just being racist if you question it
sorry, that's a big yeh nah
that argument simply does nott respect the existing culture and history, and is an all too typical go to, that comes from a place that often does the exact opposite...
which is also gs-co's point
it's complicated, because those SM comments are often full of racist fuckers that hate islam
they don't even hide it
once again, it's the finding of the ability to talk about such things, and that seems to be the real 'value' we have lost...
Oh shiszers. You could have just read a book tonight.
It’s not that complicated.
speaking in tongues was great @seeds,
way better than I was expecting, cheers.
.
It was good considering the author’s story and what he got up to afterwards.
Definitely someone whose story should be appreciated from experience.
The family’s story untimately proves what is more important and let’s be frank, real.
sorry, got a bit waffly
head in sand is best
working well in uk...
Neutral Tip for [L] Party to regain instant Power & Control of Oz Parliament.
Advise [L] to Elect a Female [L] Leader + Female [NP] Deputy...Why!
Line in the sand has been crossed & [LNP] Chix can take Albo down & out before Next Election.
By leading Oz Female Agenda will force ALP women to dump their Leader Albo to save face.
Why!
Because [ALP] vs [LNP] has just been made obsolete by mandatory Women's Rule Agenda.
Media have yet to inform this election result has delivered Oz first 100% Female Parliament mandate!
Watch this....
Majority [ALP] Women have unrivalled mandatory control of ALP Caucus & over all Oz Men
Majority [ALP] Women House of Reps have mandatory control of House & over All Oz men
Majority [ALP] + Green Women Senators have mandatory control of Senate to run Oz Agenda Whole.
3 years of Chix Anarchy...gotta luv that!
Oz ALP chix have enough power to denounce Aukus...that's fucking real honest to goodness Power!
Neutral tbb thinks Oz men should pause for a bit...this is a very real time scenario.
Also reckon this may have been an over arching plan...
Oz ALP / Green chix can blow the Defence budget to kingdom come...Kill it off! Sink the Subs!
They can now denounce Genocides and tell Trump to fuck off! Please!
However...they Lack Leadership...tbb understands that a Man named Albo has Final Say...
[L] + [NP] Progressive Women Leaders can ridicule weak ALP Cave Women to dump weaker sex PM.
See how this is playing out...no longer [ALP] vs [LNP]
Soon as [L] [NP] Elect Progressive Women Leaders it renders ALP chix gain redundant...
[LNP] Chick leaders need only plant seeds for ALP chix to eat themselves alive to free their sistas!
Only possible way for ALP to honour Majority Chix Mandate is to dump the odd man out...The Oz PM!
tbb has ran this thru a 100x > If [LNP] Elect 1/2 Toughest Chix they leap ahead of weak ALP Chix.
Just like that...
Powerful Conservative Chick leaders will instantly leapfrog [L] [NP] into 2025 > 2030 & beyond
Everyday [ALP] Refuses to honour Majority Chix Electorate mandate >
[L] Chix will point to 1950's Albo Locking up his Harem in Rape Dungeons...let them be free to rule!
By default > Conservative Chick leaders force ALP chix to dump ALP's most powerful leader!
This End game is so emphatic that [L] Can exploit reverse Bully power games to tease this out slowly.
Each week / Month is laboured out until Polls have [L] back level with ALP > Only takes 3 months...
Reckon [L] will do ALP slowly by offering Chix Top positions in [L] Party as opposed to ALP slaves.
Meaning > If Dutto failed to expose Albo as a pissweak leader then the opposite aim is simple!
We all know Conservative Chick leader can stir up cranky Albo...we all know that's his cryptonite!
Each week > Albo paints himself as a bigger cranky monster hiding away his slave gurlz.
[L] Chick need only ask the question of [ALP] Sistas to dump their Bully & reclaim rightful Leadership!
Ask yerselves...Conservative Chick leaders simply require Alp to respect Majority Chix Vote / Reps!
Albo has no choice but to resign & stand aside to promote Chix equality as Exampled by Liberals.
[L] [NP] Chix simply use the new Power tools in Parliament to craft when & wot leader they want.
Clear 'n' Present danger is Albo not rolling out a Chix PM succession plan...(He now has no choice!)
tbb doubts Oz is taking this first ever monumental mandate seriously...this is next level life changing .
Neutral tbb feels this is [YES] Rainbow Reffo Tenfold > Utmost Power Shift of intergalactic scale.
So massive that not even other nations are awake to what just happened upon our shore!
Should [L][NP] Elect chix leaders > Albo must oblige his majority power base or fall on his sword.
tbb's neutrality is sounding utmost warning....Oz is sitting on a powder keg with untold power.
Motioning for a Natcab intersex tribunal to establish sacrosanct boundaries! (Give it due consideration!)
Seriously...tHis is new to everyone...wotz to stop chix rubber stamping record Tenfold legislation...
Recapping result has delivered 100% Chix Power Mandate > Us blokes gotta fuck off outta the way!
Everything must & will change > Chix may never have this power in their hands ever again...
This is an anomaly...a one off slip of Electoral Process that has caught everyone off guard...
No one has ever considered a Gender Bias brought about deliberately be design...
In fact don't rule out Clive suing Oz for this Gurlz gone mad AEC Spring Break.
Ask! Where & who else right now is sharing what has just happened...No one! Nor will they.
Not one Voter or Constituent has informed Oz openly of Wot just happened here!
tbb has been ripping apart the AEC & internet to seek any spark of interest from highest level powers!
PM needs to get his shit together > Possibly recall Nat Cab before Parliament Rubber stamps a howler!
It's already started ticking > Albo is racing against time to diffuse his own Spring Break Time Bomb.
tbb reckons Libs are smart enough to exploit Albo's greatest power as his Cryptonite...watch this space.
Chix won this election & ALP must respect chix spring break mandate & honour their diplomas!
2 bloke leaders in #1 Chix World > ain't gonna cut it in 2025 > That's 1950's [L] Shit & all know it!
Soon as [L] realize the end game is bigger than party politics > then Albo must go! No question about it!
tbb don't think [L] are stupid enough to Lock out a Chix leader again....
It don't even matter that [L] chix are only half of better past options > They'll go to Hell otherwise!
Soon as this [L] Chick leads the Party > Gentlemanly Albo's days are numbered...gotta stand aside!
The Game has Changed!
WTFU Oz...ya just broke democracy > Now ya gotta pay the price!
This was contrived & was never supposed to happen...It has happened & now Oz must Deal with it.
Time has come today!
Great to see the Poms upholding western values and abiding by international law!!
https://m.
sypkan wrote:sorry, got a bit waffly
head in sand is best
working well in uk...
Yes head in the sand like this below
andy-mac wrote:There will always be extremes as there will be with Christians, Jews, Hindus and atheists but cannot single out one faith.
Actually you can single out one faith.
We all know that in Europe, USA, or anywhere in the West if there is a RELIGIOUS motivated crime be it a knife attack, or car runs through a crowd, or some guy blows himself up, or there is a major terrorist attack. (again we are talking religiously motivated here not political or someone with a mental illness)
That we all instantly think, shit another Islamist incident, here we go again, nobody is thinking oh some Buddhist just blew themselves up with their last words heard being "Buddha is great"
We know that if its religiously motivated the religion will almost certainly be Islam or related to Islam, because it's the reality of the world that we live in and backed by hard stats.
In this day and age especially post 9/11 other religious motivated attacks are rare almost unheard of within the western world, but sadly Islamic attacks are far more regular and its not just major terrorist attacks there is a long list of other incidents.
And the tolerance of criticism of each religion is also much different, you can openly mock most religions and at best these days maybe just have people complain, but mock Islam publicly and loudly and you quite literally risk your life in doing so.
We all know about Charlie Hebdo and his cartoon of Muhammad and three terrorist attacks that followed, but that is not the only incident there is others just one example.
"Two weeks ago, in a brutal attack that shocked the nation, a Muslim teen beheaded a school teacher in the streets of Paris after he used caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed in a class lesson on freedom of speech."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-31/how-mohammed-cartoons-are-causing...
The point is, the hard reality is each religion has different tolerance, values and goals, they are not at all equal, Islam even has its own word for the perception of a struggle or fight against the enemies(infidels), it called Jihad and those who lose their life's for the cause are seen as martyrs, as far as im aware no other religion see's thing's in this way?
There is no such thing as religious motivated suicide bombers in Hinduism, or Judaism or Christianity or Buddhism, most religion's would see the act being negative to any future life, there definitely wont be 77 virgins waiting at any pearly gates or a mother being proud that her son blew himself up in some crowded public space.
And if you take somewhere like UK or France or Germany or whatever and you then consider that in the scheme of things the Islamic population while growing fast is a minority below 10% as low as 5% then things look even worse, you have a small group that make up almost all religious violence and a majority religious group that doesn't.
The hard reality is the higher the Islamic percentage of the population grows the higher the risk of religious violence becomes, the lower that percentage the lower the risk.
You might think that view is some how racist but it's not about one race its about religion, and somewhere like Japan with a very small muslim percentage will always be at low risk of any sort of Islamic based violence.
Video from Sypkans link and a good observation on how there is also cultural influences at play and different strains of islam are also not equal.
indo-dreaming wrote:sypkan wrote:sorry, got a bit waffly
head in sand is best
working well in uk...
Yes head in the sand like this below
andy-mac wrote:There will always be extremes as there will be with Christians, Jews, Hindus and atheists but cannot single out one faith.
Actually you can single out one faith.
We all know that in Europe, USA, or anywhere in the West if there is a RELIGIOUS motivated crime be it a knife attack, or car runs through a crowd, or some guy blows himself up, or there is a major terrorist attack. (again we are talking religiously motivated here not political or someone with a mental illness)
That we all instantly think, shit another Islamist incident, here we go again, nobody is thinking oh some Buddhist just blew themselves up with their last words heard being "Buddha is great"
We know that if its religiously motivated the religion will almost certainly be Islam or related to Islam, because it's the reality of the world that we live in and backed by hard stats.
In this day and age especially post 9/11 other religious motivated attacks are rare almost unheard of within the western world, but sadly Islamic attacks are far more regular and its not just major terrorist attacks there is a long list of other incidents.
And the tolerance of criticism of each religion is also much different, you can openly mock most religions and at best these days maybe just have people complain, but mock Islam publicly and loudly and you quite literally risk your life in doing so.
We all know about Charlie Hebdo and his cartoon of Muhammad and three terrorist attacks that followed, but that is not the only incident there is others just one example.
"Two weeks ago, in a brutal attack that shocked the nation, a Muslim teen beheaded a school teacher in the streets of Paris after he used caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed in a class lesson on freedom of speech."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-31/how-mohammed-cartoons-are-causing...The point is, the hard reality is each religion has different tolerance, values and goals, they are not at all equal, Islam even has its own word for the perception of a struggle or fight against the enemies(infidels), it called Jihad and those who lose their life's for the cause are seen as martyrs, as far as im aware no other religion see's thing's in this way?
There is no such thing as religious motivated suicide bombers in Hinduism, or Judaism or Christianity or Buddhism, most religion's would see the act being negative to any future life, there definitely wont be 77 virgins waiting at any pearly gates or a mother being proud that her son blew himself up in some crowded public space.
And if you take somewhere like UK or France or Germany or whatever and you then consider that in the scheme of things the Islamic population while growing fast is a minority below 10% as low as 5% then things look even worse, you have a small group that make up almost all religious violence and a majority religious group that doesn't.
The hard reality is the higher the Islamic percentage of the population grows the higher the risk of religious violence becomes, the lower that percentage the lower the risk.
You might think that view is some how racist but it's not about one race its about religion, and somewhere like Japan with a very small muslim percentage will always be at low risk of any sort of Islamic based violence.
Video from Sypkans link and a good observation on how there is also cultural influences at play and different strains of islam are also not equal.
Yeah right on Einstein....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/16/wieambilla-shooti...
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/american-charged-religious-terror-att...
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/illinois-man-sentenced-life-hate-cr...
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22356306
Will not mention the present genocide happening in real time on a device near you.
But it is all the muzzies fault, gotcha.
You really are a piece of work ey, keep spreading hate and ignorance, you do a good job.
^ yep
…you can’t single out one faith.
Yet you can certainly lump the abrahamic faiths together with their (unsuccessful) collective pursuit of blood, territory and riches.
The big picture, free of noinfo’s personally derived bigoted ignorance, contains the historic truths of continuous religiously inspired murder…
- They’re all as bad as each other. Fact.
- The same imagined ‘god’ is worshipped by each. Fact.
- And the same imagined belief systems forbid killing yet each kill in the name of god. Fact.
The ‘promise’ of martyrdom and the virgins etc are no different to the ‘promise’ of the second coming etc etc etc.
The bullshit is real.
The killing is real.
To pretend that religious motivated violence is unique to only one faith is pure fiction.
- eugenicsdreaming skipped the sand part and instead lodged his head fair and square in his clacker …..again ;)
“The Crusades involved numerous instances of massacres, particularly against Jewish and Muslim populations. The People's Crusade of 1096 saw widespread attacks on Jewish communities in Germany and France, resulting in the deaths of thousands. The Siege of Jerusalem in 1099 also involved a massacre of Muslims and Jews by the Crusaders.
Rhineland Massacres:
The People's Crusade of 1096 witnessed attacks on Jewish communities in the Rhineland, leading to the death of thousands.
These attacks were fueled by religious fervor and the belief that Jews needed to be converted or eliminated before the Second Coming.
Estimates for the number of Jews killed range from 2,000 to 12,000.
Jerusalem Massacre:
In 1099, after the capture of Jerusalem, Crusaders massacred a large number of Muslims and Jews.
Many Muslims sought refuge in the al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock, but were still killed by the Crusaders.
Other Crusades and Massacres:
The Second Crusade (1147) saw Jews in France suffer from attacks.
The Albigensian Crusade (1208-1229) was particularly brutal and involved the massacre of Cathars, though some consider it the first genocide in Europe.
The Third Crusade (1188) saw Philip II of France treat Jewish communities with exceptional severity.
The Shepherds' Crusades of 1251 and 1320 also included attacks on Jews.
Motivations for Massacres:
Religious fervor: The belief that Jews needed to be converted or eliminated before the Second Coming fueled some of the attacks.
Vengeance: Some Crusaders sought revenge for perceived wrongs against Christians.
Military objectives: In some cases, massacres were part of a wider strategy to conquer and control territory.
Economic motives: Crusaders sometimes plundered Jewish communities for their wealth.
Consequences of Massacres:
The Crusades led to increased antisemitism and anti-Jewish legislation in Europe.
The massacres also had a lasting impact on the relationship between Jews and Christians, leading to centuries of resentment on both sides.”
& back to austrALIEN values ;)
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youtu.be/AqNdKtahx58?si=FcqASVlisZidWEgh
Honest Australian Government ad. Yeah right.
Reeks of John from ‘ Honest John’s’ car yard,
‘Have we, got a deal for you ‘ !!! . AW
brutal times 1099 aye?
nice that people come at this issue with a... errr... religious fervour...
but, even those within islam acknowledge and advocate it needs a bit o'... well... modernising... reforming... enlightening...
and...
https://x.com/DaveAtherton20/status/1814967233791017019
prophetic no?
Back on track
…and off the tracks
What happened poiter ;)
sypkan wrote:brutal times 1099 aye?
nice that people come at this issue with a... errr... religious fervour...
but, even those within islam acknowledge and advocate it needs a bit o'... well... modernising... reforming... enlightening...
and...
https://x.com/DaveAtherton20/status/1814967233791017019
prophetic no?
I don't think anyone here is denying that some forms of Islam need changing and modernising.
Same could be said about all other religions in regards to certain sects.
I missed out on the 2002 Bali bomb by about an hour or so and was at Sanglah one of the next day helping as mainly Australian families were flying in to identify their blown-up loved ones from photos. Was also there for 2005 bombs.
So not looking at this through rose coloured sunnies.
But the continual media beat up in most cases is only making the problem worse, especially the dog whistling BS that goes on in Australia by the likes of Indo et al. Oh yeah but they are not really human, must be sub human ey.
Same kind of shit that was sprouted by Nazis in Germany in the 30's against Jews.
Wasn't Muslims putting the Jews into ovens in Poland, but good Christain Germans who thought they were defending western values.
Ya reckon what the US and Israel are doing right now will help lead the way to more moderation?
Of course, the Israeli pilots dropping the bombs and snipers targeting kids are just defending Israel as other Israelis demolish people's homes whilst they watch on as all their possessions are destroyed. No religious extremism there! They even do tik toks boasting about it.
Geez start to try and think a little critically and leave the bigotry behind.
andy-mac wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:sypkan wrote:sorry, got a bit waffly
head in sand is best
working well in uk...
Yes head in the sand like this below
andy-mac wrote:There will always be extremes as there will be with Christians, Jews, Hindus and atheists but cannot single out one faith.
Actually you can single out one faith.
We all know that in Europe, USA, or anywhere in the West if there is a RELIGIOUS motivated crime be it a knife attack, or car runs through a crowd, or some guy blows himself up, or there is a major terrorist attack. (again we are talking religiously motivated here not political or someone with a mental illness)
That we all instantly think, shit another Islamist incident, here we go again, nobody is thinking oh some Buddhist just blew themselves up with their last words heard being "Buddha is great"
We know that if its religiously motivated the religion will almost certainly be Islam or related to Islam, because it's the reality of the world that we live in and backed by hard stats.
In this day and age especially post 9/11 other religious motivated attacks are rare almost unheard of within the western world, but sadly Islamic attacks are far more regular and its not just major terrorist attacks there is a long list of other incidents.
And the tolerance of criticism of each religion is also much different, you can openly mock most religions and at best these days maybe just have people complain, but mock Islam publicly and loudly and you quite literally risk your life in doing so.
We all know about Charlie Hebdo and his cartoon of Muhammad and three terrorist attacks that followed, but that is not the only incident there is others just one example.
"Two weeks ago, in a brutal attack that shocked the nation, a Muslim teen beheaded a school teacher in the streets of Paris after he used caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed in a class lesson on freedom of speech."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-31/how-mohammed-cartoons-are-causing...The point is, the hard reality is each religion has different tolerance, values and goals, they are not at all equal, Islam even has its own word for the perception of a struggle or fight against the enemies(infidels), it called Jihad and those who lose their life's for the cause are seen as martyrs, as far as im aware no other religion see's thing's in this way?
There is no such thing as religious motivated suicide bombers in Hinduism, or Judaism or Christianity or Buddhism, most religion's would see the act being negative to any future life, there definitely wont be 77 virgins waiting at any pearly gates or a mother being proud that her son blew himself up in some crowded public space.
And if you take somewhere like UK or France or Germany or whatever and you then consider that in the scheme of things the Islamic population while growing fast is a minority below 10% as low as 5% then things look even worse, you have a small group that make up almost all religious violence and a majority religious group that doesn't.
The hard reality is the higher the Islamic percentage of the population grows the higher the risk of religious violence becomes, the lower that percentage the lower the risk.
You might think that view is some how racist but it's not about one race its about religion, and somewhere like Japan with a very small muslim percentage will always be at low risk of any sort of Islamic based violence.
Video from Sypkans link and a good observation on how there is also cultural influences at play and different strains of islam are also not equal.
Yeah right on Einstein....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/16/wieambilla-shooti...
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/american-charged-religious-terror-att...
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/illinois-man-sentenced-life-hate-cr...
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22356306
Will not mention the present genocide happening in real time on a device near you.
But it is all the muzzies fault, gotcha.
You really are a piece of work ey, keep spreading hate and ignorance, you do a good job.
Yeah great clutching at straws.
You clearly dont understand the difference between attacks motivated by an religious ideology and it's teachings and crimes committed towards those of a religion.
Two very different things, but congratulations you found one of the very rare ones with that weird Christian group shooting you even posted two links to make it appear like you had found more
For every link you could find on some rare case, i could waste my time finding literally a page full of islamic incidents of some kind in the West and if worldwide it would take me days to collect them all. (let alone half the middle east being a basket case of failed countries destroyed by Islamic related conflict especially and the whole Shia vs Sunni thing.
And i made it very clear that we are talking about in the West, but yeah i knew someone would clutch at straws with the very rare Buddhist conflict with muslims.
You could have at least kept it in the west and took the predictable Irish Catholic vs Christian thing from almost 30 years ago.
And how dare you fucking say
"You really are a piece of work ey, keep spreading hate and ignorance, you do a good job."
Im fucking sick to death of your hate of Israel/Jews, and this genocide bullshit, every fucking day in every and any thread, it's a fucking insult to those IDF soldiers that have put boots on the ground and lost their life's,
Can you get it through your thick brainwashed head that if genocide was the aim that soldiers life's sure wouldn't be risked on the ground (it would be an air attack only) and they sure wouldn't be giving warnings of where strikes are going to happen or move people out of the aim war zones.
But you sadly lap up anti Israel/jew propaganda to the point you think Iran is some innocent party and that Islam is some cuddly teddy bear.
Ha ha and some other muppet is going back thousand's of years, that's even worse clutching of straws
I guess there was no video on this one.
No videos from back in the day.
Lucky for your bloodlust the live genocide is being broadcast daily.
You’re as happy as a pig in shit!
(With ya head up ya arse)
And were you clutching at straws when trying to go back and edumacate others previously on the history of judea etc…
Oooops.
Pretending your version of things are correct don’t make them so.
But you do podcasts and slurp up all you can eat hasbara hahaha
…carry on ;)
tearymasseuse wrote:No videos from back in the day.
Lucky for your bloodlust the live genocide is being broadcast daily.
You’re as happy as a pig in shit!
(With ya head up ya arse)
Your first reaction to 7th Oct was to post some crappy free Palestine rap video.
You have been trash from day one, Andy-Mac at least was looking for some excuse to become the trash he now is.
Until Oct 7 u had no idea. And you still don’t…
Ever been to Israel or the ME? Or the USA?
Moment of truth for u haha
- or are you just an inbred commentating armchair eggspurt having never seen it in the flesh ;)
indo-dreaming wrote:tearymasseuse wrote:No videos from back in the day.
Lucky for your bloodlust the live genocide is being broadcast daily.
You’re as happy as a pig in shit!
(With ya head up ya arse)Your first reaction to 7th Oct was to post some crappy free Palestine rap video.
You have been trash from day one, Andy-Mac at least was looking for some excuse to become the trash he now is.
Hey Indo....
I'm advocating saving lives, you are cheer leading people getting killed, and I'm trash?
Mate you would look good in Hugo Boss....
“ I'm advocating saving lives, you are cheer leading people getting killed, and I'm trash? “
^ boom
How’s that bibi poster on ya wall goin eugenicsdreaming ;)
andy-mac wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:tearymasseuse wrote:No videos from back in the day.
Lucky for your bloodlust the live genocide is being broadcast daily.
You’re as happy as a pig in shit!
(With ya head up ya arse)Your first reaction to 7th Oct was to post some crappy free Palestine rap video.
You have been trash from day one, Andy-Mac at least was looking for some excuse to become the trash he now is.
Hey Indo....
I'm advocating saving lives, you are cheer leading people getting killed, and I'm trash?
Mate you would look good in Hugo Boss....
I honestly dont know if you are being disingenuous or really are that naive and ignorant?
But I think it's disingenuous.
indo-dreaming wrote:andy-mac wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:tearymasseuse wrote:No videos from back in the day.
Lucky for your bloodlust the live genocide is being broadcast daily.
You’re as happy as a pig in shit!
(With ya head up ya arse)Your first reaction to 7th Oct was to post some crappy free Palestine rap video.
You have been trash from day one, Andy-Mac at least was looking for some excuse to become the trash he now is.
Hey Indo....
I'm advocating saving lives, you are cheer leading people getting killed, and I'm trash?
Mate you would look good in Hugo Boss....
I honestly dont know if you are being disingenuous or really are that naive and ignorant?
But I think it's disingenuous.
Mate, swap the word 'Muslim' for 'Jew' when you are writing ya stuff and see how it sounds.
Something for noinfo to ponder…
- and the assumption others are ‘naive and ignorant’ hahaha
Don’t forget to accuse the other side of that which you are guilty of ;)
&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5tD Oh poor @info got his arse reamed last Saturday with the election result and is now down to his racist muslim hating worse. No surprises here
"nobody is thinking oh some Buddhist just blew themselves up with their last words heard being "Buddha is great""
@Indo, Buddhist self immolation, google it.
"Im fucking sick to death of your hate of Israel/Jews, and this genocide bullshit, "
I'm a bit sick of your lack of understanding of what genocide is, and equating criticism of Israel's actions in Gaza, it's illegal occupation and it's flouting of the laws and tribunals set up by humanity after the Nazi genocide of European Jews during WW2 as Israel/Jew "hate" or "bullshit", without reasoning as to why you contend that.
To equate the actions of Israel and the IDF in Gaza since October 7 as not falling within the accepted meaning of genocide is completely wrong and frankly ignorant, of the law and history. It doesn't matter who, what State (or religion), acts in such a manner, genocide is genocide, war crimes are war crimes.
I think you are the one coming to this issue with an inherent bias.
If you like we can debate why it is or isn't "genocide". Do some reading on the definition, and history of the law on this matter and get back to me with some sound reasoning as to why the actions of Israel and the IDF, let's just call them "team blue" for the sake of it, don't come within the meaning of genocide as defined by law and we can take it from there. A proper, reasoned debate, without abuse on my part, or yours, on the facts and the law.
I would also suggest you familiarise yourself on the Laws of Armed Conflict and the meaning of terms like "necessity" and "proportionality", and "forced displacement" and "occupying power".
Or just keep bleating and obfuscating and saying things like "this genocide bullshit".
Up to you.
Further, "Ha ha and some other muppet is going back thousand's of years, that's even worse clutching of straws'
Isn't that exactly what you do when you justify Israel's right to ignore the law and the rights of Palestinians to self determination and Statehood?
At least try to be consistent.
indo-dreaming wrote:Im fucking sick to death of your hate of Israel/Jews, and this genocide bullshit, every fucking day in every and any thread, it's a fucking insult to those IDF soldiers that have put boots on the ground and lost their life's,
This would be hilarious if it wasn't so serious and depressing. History is not gonna look back kindly on people like you. No one that I've seen here has posted anything antisemitic, and the fact that you accuse anyone that criticises Israel of hating Jews, even though I assume you know that's not correct, well, pull your genocidal head out of your fucken date. Actually, I shouldn't assume what you don't know, willfully or otherwise.
At least get your geography right.
Palestine IS Israel…..Gaza IS Gaza.
Arabs living in Palestine are living on Israeli soil.
Arabs living in Gaza are on Arab soil.
On another note who’s gunna be the new pope…?
Id put a fiver on Pierbattista Pizzaballa if I knew how to do that.
Do they have Sportsbet for popes?
^
- delusional:
“…holding false beliefs or judgements about external reality that are held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, typically as a symptom of a mental condition.”
the only bigotry I see on here is towards christians, and it's pretty much a daily occurrence...
and it's ugly
is this guy a bigot?
https://x.com/Imamofpeace/status/1713230588079956015
my position is on how the west has done certain things, it's naive, it's dumb, and it is in need of some serious reflection
adjustment...
which is impossible, whilst the religious fervour around some 90's utopian dream of globalisation is considered unquestionable.
stunet's link in the US thread touched on this regarding tariffs, the religious like'belief'... but it's much deeper than trade, it's about the whole model...
'belief' runs deep, no matter how much people like to bag 'opti's imaginary man in the sky's
you, me, opti, we all do the same
the thing is, all this talk of 'western values' and 'human rights' and even the UN, the courts, the 'refugee' status definition...
they're all all based on an anomaly
in an anomaly
a period that saw unusally low levels of conflict in world history, a period where we all thought things would get infinitely better...
well that didn't happen did it?
it might have if clinton's 2 state solution got up... if Iraq didn't happen... if september 11 didn't happen... if china played ball at the WTO... if china didnt steal everyone's IP rights... if china democratized... if ukraine didn't happen... etc etc...
unfortunately things took a sour turn, and the world is now essentially at war, it's just our leaders haven't told us yet...
so, in times of war, a heap of idealistic bullshit - and standards developed in better times - go out the window...
or, at a minimum get reassessed
or should...
I don't particularly like indo's displayed 'bloodlust', but he just bring's a pragmatic (one eyed) perspective to a new situation - war
war is ugly, yeh sure, hold your ideals, and hold him to account...
but the fact is, the world has changed
1990's utopia is done
failed...
any shallow definitions defined around human rights, refugees, racism, whatever... are based on incredibly rich people's interpretations through an abnormal peace time period
I consider myself to be decent human being and if we want to talk about people being insulted like those IDF soldiers are then consider this. This is those same IDF soldiers that killed 15 emergency workers, buried them and their ambulances in a dirty great big hole, lied about the whole thing and then blamed it on "professional failures". I don't know about you Indo but as a decent human being, which I hope you are as well, that is the ultimate insult to every decent human being on this planet who treasures life as we know it.
definitions and interpretations...
anyone who lived through the pictures of the 1980's famine... knows there's no 'famine' in gaza...
“ I don't know about you Indo but as a decent human being, which I hope you are as well, that is the ultimate insult to every decent human being on this planet who treasures life as we know it.”
@indo-dreaming a decent human? Stranger things have happened I guess…
sypkan wrote:definitions and interpretations...
anyone who lived through the pictures of the 1980's famine... knows there's no 'famine' in gaza...
Be wary with TFP and Israel. Great news source but that topic seems to be their weak spot.
stunet wrote:sypkan wrote:definitions and interpretations...
anyone who lived through the pictures of the 1980's famine... knows there's no 'famine' in gaza...
Be wary with TFP and Israel. Great news source but that topic seems to be their weak spot.
yep
and I brought that up the other day
and said it would be good to debate such things
but the baggings were all so intense and triggered like, it all got lost in the noise...
the definition of famine seems pretty solid
much like the hamas fighters...
Moonah wrote:“ I don't know about you Indo but as a decent human being, which I hope you are as well, that is the ultimate insult to every decent human being on this planet who treasures life as we know it.”
@indo-dreaming a decent human? Stranger things have happened I guess…
Gee's what a surprise my pet troll with another comment not on the topic but on me, who would have thought?
adam12 wrote:"nobody is thinking oh some Buddhist just blew themselves up with their last words heard being "Buddha is great""
@Indo, Buddhist self immolation, google it."Im fucking sick to death of your hate of Israel/Jews, and this genocide bullshit, "
I'm a bit sick of your lack of understanding of what genocide is, and equating criticism of Israel's actions in Gaza, it's illegal occupation and it's flouting of the laws and tribunals set up by humanity after the Nazi genocide of European Jews during WW2 as Israel/Jew "hate" or "bullshit", without reasoning as to why you contend that.
To equate the actions of Israel and the IDF in Gaza since October 7 as not falling within the accepted meaning of genocide is completely wrong and frankly ignorant, of the law and history. It doesn't matter who, what State (or religion), acts in such a manner, genocide is genocide, war crimes are war crimes.
I think you are the one coming to this issue with an inherent bias.
If you like we can debate why it is or isn't "genocide". Do some reading on the definition, and history of the law on this matter and get back to me with some sound reasoning as to why the actions of Israel and the IDF, let's just call them "team blue" for the sake of it, don't come within the meaning of genocide as defined by law and we can take it from there. A proper, reasoned debate, without abuse on my part, or yours, on the facts and the law.
I would also suggest you familiarise yourself on the Laws of Armed Conflict and the meaning of terms like "necessity" and "proportionality", and "forced displacement" and "occupying power".
Or just keep bleating and obfuscating and saying things like "this genocide bullshit".
Up to you.Further, "Ha ha and some other muppet is going back thousand's of years, that's even worse clutching of straws'
Isn't that exactly what you do when you justify Israel's right to ignore the law and the rights of Palestinians to self determination and Statehood?
At least try to be consistent.
Interesting thought on the Buddhist "self immolation" that famous photo, although it's just an act of suicide no aim to take out others...still
This isnt the right thread (the back Israel one is better), but honestly out of everyone id prefer to debate you, while you have trouble keeping your cool and get abusive you actually think about things and are clearly a smart guy, guys like Andy or Jelly, Hicups just dont have the knowledge or bothered to educate themselves and just post videos ect,
Maybe at some stage we could do a civil debate on so called occupation of the West Bank at some stage, because im completely baffled on how it can be seen as occupation when Israel was formed under the International law of Uti possidetis juris both areas of the West Bank and Gaza never had recognised borders and were Israel before being occupied by Jordan and Egypt then win back in 1967, I would be interested in how you frame it, especially with your legal knowledge. (but yeah not here)
BTW. On the genocide thing ive read and listened to both arguments and fuck if you going to stretch things the way i have seen been done you could do the same with almost any war,.
Many legal experts agree with you, and many also totally disagree with you, and even Alice Wairimu Nderitu, who was until recently United Nations special adviser on the prevention of genocide disagrees with you, she lost her job for not towing the line and saying it just doesn't fit the definition of genocide.
Anyway this thread is getting derailed.
Back to Aussie politics
Hot off the press
"Jacinta Price drops post election bombshell as she defects to Liberal Party"
\https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/jacinta-price-drops-post-elect...
Hahahaha
“...just dont have the knowledge or bothered to educate themselves and just post videos ect”
- again :
Ever been to the USA, Israel or the ME ?
;)
Might as well put this up in the politics subforum, to spare the front page. It's 18 months away or so, but here we go.
This is how Dutton wins:
https://www.afr.com/politics/enter-the-liberal-party-working-class-heroe...