Mark Thomson found guilty of assault on Jodie Cooper at Lennox Head

Bruce Mackenzie
Swellnet Dispatch

Mark Andrew Thomson - AKA Carcass - appeared before the Ballina Local Court today, accused of attacking Jodie Cooper at Lennox Head on August 22 last year.

The court heard the incident erupted after Carcass dropped in on Cooper on his surf mat and began aggressively veering towards her.

Ms Cooper told the court she feared for her life as she was grabbed by the head and repeatedly held underwater.

"It was quick and so violent," she said. "Every time I'd come to go to the surface he'd yank my hair and push me back down again.

"My lungs were burning. I thought I was going to drown, I was fearful for my life."

Ms Cooper said the assault continued until she "went limp".

"That's when he released me," she said. "I shot straight to the surface and took an almighty gasp of air."

Expecting a long hearing, Carcass takes his own cushion into Ballina Local Court

Ms Cooper told the court her physical injuries began manifesting in the days after the incident, including a painful scalp, headache and whiplash-like symptoms.

The court was shown a short video clip of the final seconds of the incident, which Magistrate Karen Stafford said supported Ms Cooper's version of events.

"I saw his arm have three movements in a plunging motion while the other person was underwater," she said.

Mr Thomson - the father of famed shaper Dan Thomson - told the court he was shocked when he felt a severe impact in the middle of his back and had no idea what hit him.

"There was an unknown entity under the water trying to grab and pull me," he said. "I was in shock, I was in pain, I was injured."

Mr Thomson agreed he apologised to Ms Cooper after the incident. "I think I said sorry I thought you were attacking me," he said.

The magistrate said Mr Thomson's story lacked credibility. The court was told the incident took place on a day of excellent surf at Lennox Head, with more than 100 surfers in the water.

Mr Thomson was asked whether it was common surf etiquette not to 'drop in' on a rider already on a wave.

"Not when there's 100 people out," he replied.

Ms Cooper said she was relieved when the guilty verdict was delivered.

"I've seen a lot of horrible occurrences in the water; there are still a few shifty characters out there who are still doing this," she said. "I hope this sends a message, not only to the people who are doing it but to the people who are fearful.

"I just hope that I give enough encouragement to people to be brave enough to stand up to bullies."

A sentence will be handed down next month.

The magistrate has ordered that Carcass be assessed for his suitability for community service work.

// BRUCE MACKENZIE and LEAH WHITE
© Australian Broadcasting Corporation. All rights reserved.

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GuySmiley commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 9:17am

Good on you Jodie for standing up for what is right.

How’s his answer about dropping in -apparently it’s ok when a 100 are out, a first for me. Jackass.

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terrance commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 8:09pm

How goods that! Rock up to Lennox, quick head count, estimate circa 100, happy days, drop ins a plenty. Get the wave count up pretty quick. Anyone get a little lippy, just say, ''the old bloke with the grey pony-tail over there on the li-lo lives here and he said it's fine, go speak to him about it''. Brilliant!

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jacksprat commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 12:20am

So this person attacks someone much smaller than them. Gets caught. Gets taken to court. Is still cocky about the incident and when it looks like he cannot weasel out of it, lies. What a winner.

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monkeypig commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 6:37am

Well a community order for attempted murder. Weak justice system, it happens every day in the courts.

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Elliedog commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 7:49am

Mark.... you are a deadset fuckwit mate. I remember you having a go at me years ago on a 3ft day at the point. I thought.... this blokes on a fuckin mat for fucks sake!!!????.... when you told me you were gunna punch my head in after you dropped in on me I laughed and told you I was going in , pointed to my car and told you that’s where I’d be waiting.... you never showed. I don’t like violence but fuck you need a good slapping you knob. Violence against women... in the surf.... please.

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bipola commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 8:07am

he drops in and thinks it ok, what a dickhead. he been getting away with it for years so he keeps doing it. .
someone should have beaten the crap out off him years ago.

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Kham commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 8:09am

Some justice finally. Why people think they can STEAL waves from other surfers and then get away with it by bullying them. I am sure Mr CarcAss is well known in Lennox and there are many other stories about him.
Grow up and act your age.

Kham

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billie commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 8:09am

I feel so sad reading about this.

I have encountered men like this a few times in my life and the misery they inflict upon others eats away at them every day and every night. They get so caught up in the savage masculine (that CAN be healthy) that they destroy enemies that don't exist. They carry a strong, misdirected, warrior archetype within them and try to justify their reasoning for their behaviour.

It would be wonderful to uncover the shadow that drives this behaviour in them and for them to look at what lies below the anger and savage. We could maybe also uncover a wonderful man below the behaviour.

I just feel so sad.

Billie

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qbctm commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 8:59am

What a deluded angry c#[email protected]

love youse all ...TM

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Vic Local commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 9:03am

Mark Andrew Thomson gives surf mat riders a bad name.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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The Fire commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 8:31pm

Surf mats are for fun times, not as a conduit to express repressed warrior rage.

#Total douche.

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velocityjohnno commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 9:14am

So now the court case has been heard and a verdict been reached, can surf media describe what happened?

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freeride76 commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 9:33am

In what sense VJ?

the facts of the case are now out there and have been established in a court of law.

what else intrigues?

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velocityjohnno commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 10:20am

Intriguing bit is, did he get jumped on on his back? Video evidence started after this supposed part?
So is progression: drop in, abuse, drowning attempt;
or: drop in, jump on back, abuse, drowning attempt?

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AndyM commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 10:46am

There was no evidence to show that she jumped on him or attacked him.

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surf79 commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 11:39am

one witness, called on behalf of Thomson, said that Jodie did land on his back and that he ( the witness) thought it was intentional. Jodie's case was that she fell off and landed on his flippers.

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velocityjohnno commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 12:50pm

Thankyou crew, so, after the replies it's no/yes as to jumping on the back; or to be more precise, no/yes it was intentional. My question will not have a clear answer it seems.

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AndyM commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 1:42pm

VJ, we can speculate as to what may have happened but the magistrate made it very clear what she would and would not accept as credible testimony and evidence.

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Sprout commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 4:13pm

If he didn't drop-in it never would have happened.

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freeride76 commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 5:24pm

Sorry mate, that is incorrect. (to Surf79)
I attended the court hearing and saw all the witness statements.

I heard the witness in question give testimony and I heard him cross-examined by the Police Prosecutor.
By both accounts the witness saw Cooper lunge towards Thomson but DID NOT see her land on his back.

That became an agreed fact when the Judge was summing up the case and according to the judge did not contradict the testimony of Cooper in regards to the incident.

no disrespect to the witness, I know him and he is a fine man.

Just making sure the correct facts of the case get written.

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channel-bottom commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 5:42pm

“He is a fine man”, really? Don’t know many of those who assault women or assault anyone for that matter.

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udo commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 5:53pm

The Witness.

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surfstarved commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 5:53pm

The witness Channel Bottom, not the perpetrator, who I think we can all agree is a complete fuckhead.

Don't let the bastards grind you down

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channel-bottom commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 6:15pm

Ah, misread that. Apologies Freeride.

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brutus commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 10:30am

FR , are there any locals at Lennox , that have been there for 30 yrs or more , that condone Carkarse's behaviour ........why is he still allowed to surf there, and do you think he merits a custodial sentence?

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seal commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 11:19am

Plenty of locals have run ins with carcass and some have ended up on assault charges, as his standard response to any threats or anybody touching him was”I’ll see you in court “
His witness wanted nothing to do with it but was subpoenaed to attend with possibility of fines if he didn’t attend.
Carcass has had form for years and it’s about time the grub finally has had the law go against him!
I’ve had numerous run ins with him and always been threatened with assault charges if I touched him.
Best way to deal with those types is call them out in front of the crowd for their gutless behaviour and hiding behind the law and how they only pick on weaker people or women.
Karma is a bitch Carcass !!! Hahaha !!!

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brutus commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 12:54pm

thanx seal , I really wondered how he got away with his behavior ...so he will call the cops if anyone hassles him , but thinks it's OK to attack a woman and scare the crap out of her.....I have a very easy solution to this lowlife .....everytime he takes a wave drop in on him and smile , get all the boys to do this , tell him you will drop in on him every wave , until ,
1) he learns to ride behind someone , delay your bottom turn and he will be caught behind the section....so no more making waves , just take offs..
2) get him to abuse you or run into you , so keep goading him , he might try and get physical or touch you...then ya can beat the crap out of him in self defense
3) get some handbills done , with his photo and conviction , Crimes against women title and put em under every car on the coast
4) send him down here and we will look after him.....

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wax-on-danielson commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 12:44pm

By the sound of things jumping on his back sounds warranted and socially acceptable.

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Bunker Spreckles commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 10:04am

Did someone get a look at his place of birth on the bench charge sheet? I remember him turning up in about 84-85 with a supreme sense of entitlement amongst mainly local farmers and locally raised surfers. At a guess I though he was from Inner city Sydney. They can have him back now and the local community can start healing from the years of suffering his existence.

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memlasurf commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 9:24am

Hmmm, I hope he didn’t beat up on his son if he is this unhinged.

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lawncigar commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 9:42am

wow.... what a coward... he even said, "i thought you were attacking me". its Jodie Cooper you prick, not a great white.

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Feralkook commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 10:25am

Just another thug who is not going to get what he deserves, how he can be deemed suitable for CS. He was captured burying Jo's head underwater, three times, he had formed intent and when a threat has intent they have one goal. At the very least the court should sentence him to an ongoing program of "anger management" along with a custodial sentence. The judiciary in this country have gone pathetically soft.

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GuySmiley commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 11:39am

Was thinking the same thing, im thinking this sort of behaviour wouldn’t be limited to just the surf.

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Feralkook commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 9:37am

I agree, I suspect he models the same behaviour around the community in general.
The Lennox community could easily change that by refusing to serve him or his business. Would not be the first town to do that to an idiot who deserves it.

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Bunker Spreckles commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 10:13am

The Lennox community is now a badly mixed batch of VALs, Pro surf families,hipsters, Bondi blow ins and recovering addicts. Thanks to twenty years of being dumped with trash from all points of the globe it is no longer a North Coast village with North Coast people. Surfing and the poisons of cocaine,ego and scurrilous gossip that has come with it now dominate over 'Country Soul' which was pretty well dead by 2000.

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Nigeisblessed commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 12:40pm

Not anger management. If the guy is a verified bully and condones violence against women, well the evidence shows that anger management courses just don't cut it. Reason being, it's not anger, it's all about power and control - when you look into some of the instances of this is quite sickening. men coming home after a normal, calm work day, locking the doors, shutting the blinds, turning up the music and beating up their wives. Not anger, power and control.

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loungelizard commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 10:43am

and he's got a grey ponytail. what a fuckwit. should be locked up for that alone

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AndyM commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 10:49am

It was quite telling that there were at least three respected members of the local surfing community who were in court to see him go down - and these were guys aged in their 40s and 60s who'd copped his antics and abuse over the years.

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billie commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 11:55am

Cool, thanks for sharing that AndyM. I wonder if he himself is a victim of abuse? Childhood or otherwise. Or perhaps he has just learnt he can get his own way by being violent?

It's interesting these men with their patterns of aggression and bullying. I have had at least 12 people tell me about the same aggressive yet weak bully in Manly.

All these men would benefit by attending therapy groups

Billie

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Blowin commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 5:11pm

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Bunker Spreckles commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 5:35pm

Geez, it is only now that a lot of people are coming forth of what appears to be decades of tyranny by a low level despot. Carcuss never really a pillar of community type guy from a multi generational North Coast family. A harsh reality check that surfing all day every day does not make you a saint or a messiah. Illusions of Grandeur? Really a fine line with some of the greats of the sport being sociopaths or visionaries. Thoughts?

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brutus commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 12:03pm

Interesting story , where man assaults woman in surf , she fears for her life after being continually dunked , Judge doesn't believe CarKarse , and the considers giving him community service....
this raises some interesting questions like if you were Jodies , Dad/Brother/Uncle.......what would you think and do to someone who assaulted your Daughter/Sister/Auntie and would you be happy that he didn't serve jail time?
Or is that because as men and women are equal, therefore there is no gender inequality , so he has the right to physically assault her , because she crashed into him?
I would like to see him do a stretch in prison , as he might learn ( Or be broke back mountained) that some old school rules are still part of a man's moral compass!

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AndyM commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 12:34pm

"he has the right to physically assault her"

Although it might seem like he got off lightly, he clearly does not have the right to assault anyone.
In any case, it will be interesting to see what the final punishment is.
Personally, I think a custodial sentence would be a bit extreme, although I'd love to hear a comment from someone with significant legal experience.
I think banning him from Lennox Point and its foreshore for a year or so would be a worthwhile part of the sentence in addition to whatever else.

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Sprout commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 12:25pm

Why has he got his mat at the trial? Is it an assistance surf mat? Is it allowed on flights in cabin?

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brutus commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 12:34pm

It's his blow up Jodie mat!

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Flogonalog commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 12:40pm

Its his security mat haha. F*ck Krypt

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mr mick commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 5:09pm

That's so funny walking into court with a mat, so there you go, evidence he must be a knob.

Mr mick

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Feralkook commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 9:29am

He is using it to reinforce in the magistrates mind he was the vulnerable party as he was on an air filled mat laying down. Where as Jody was on a fibreglass board that has fins and a pointy nose. An attempt to give weight to the claim he was attacked therefor justifying his response as "reasonable". The law is very clear on what "reasonable force" is where someone believes they are in danger and I hope the magistrate uses that in sentencing as his response was very excessive.
It is also evidence of him being a massive knob.

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northeasterly commented Thursday, 25 Jul 2019 at 2:58pm

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udo commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 12:41pm

Why would the Magistrate even consider community service as / in the Penalty
isnt that more fitting to a push or shove common assault charge ?

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velocityjohnno commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 1:29pm

Next question, does this set any kind of legal precedent? You hear of dunkings down this way (ranging from brief to multiple or prolonged) from time to time and so far it's been relayed in terms "but he's a f*ckwit and had it coming" rather than something beyond aggravated assault.

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terrance commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 6:14pm

No precedent needed. It's assault.

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hamishbro commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 1:46pm

Karen Stafford is a pretty tough magistrate. Will be interesting to see the sentence but likely CS. If I was carcass I couldn’t bear to even paddle out at the point after establishing such a bad reputation over so many years. Surely surfing such a location has to involve some level of community respect. Go and surf Broadwater!

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Bunker Spreckles commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 10:28am

Hamishbro. Carcass has a sense of self importance and hubris that you rarely see. He will be back out the point next swell being his painfull self. Given a few other new 'locals' it may even be a case of the devil you know! Carcass needs the attention for his fragile ego. And his desire of a bronze statue near Brockys house means Broadwater is a no go.

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Sacdog1 commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 1:47pm

Mr Thomson,
There's no place in the water for this sort of shit, If you can't handle the crowds, and your temper, then fuck off somewhere else.

PebblyPete

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The Fire commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 8:42pm

Yeah come live on the westcoast sa and see if you get away with this kinda shit.

We dont drop in over here, we just paddle past and take off deeper.

Clearly he's an inept waterperson.

Exclusion zone for him around lennox would be ok in my opinion.

maaaan

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Laurie McGinness commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 4:24pm

An apprehended violence order banning him from his usual surf spots should be part of the penalty.

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AndyM commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 4:39pm

Agreed - I think that would hit him where it hurts.

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crg commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 8:00pm

As much as it may apply to this person or case, I don't want magistrates (and/or non-surfers) establishing legal precedent of exclusion over surf areas for anyone.
That's a slippery slope too far.

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But I'm free.

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Tony Jack Clancy commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 9:40pm

My sentiments also Laurie...but that would leave him free to intimidate others. Perhaps every time he bungs it on the locals could apply for an AVO. Same problem with Community Service....to do what?...apply his arrogance? bully people with whom he's working or would he settle down and be supervised by 'no nonsense'.

Perhaps his son is best to pro-actively deal with this situation, presuming he doesn't approve of his father's pathology. My present opinion includes that the locals should suggest to the Magistrate that he be banned from surfing anywhere for a couple of years then be put on parole to be supervised until he gets his head out of his kyber. Not only could he have killed the victim through heart attack, didn't stop until she 'went limp' but there's an outside chance that such struggling could attract shark...

It's not just a simple bullying. We all have to get the unfortunate fact that whatever we think of ourselves or how tough we are, none of us owns the surf, yet community can motivate Councils and each other in regulating it, especially with surfer partnership..

In closing, I wonder whether surfing beaches could be graded into ability levels perhaps keeping groups apart but providing incentive to move up in performance and maturity. Could there be Council approved surfer committees? where an application to move up a grade can be considered by the three levels, beginner, intermediate and top end, rules acknowledged by the applicant enabling extended community action to be taken against bullies or blokes out of rational control. I realise it's intrusive and grating but it's communal, respectful, empowered and worth thinking about...?

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crg commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 8:55am

You seriously want to get councils involved into allocating the areas you can surf?
For fucks sake do we really want the isolated actions of one dickhead to open ourselves up to council regulation. Talk about a ridiculous knee jerk reaction to an incident that has been overblown by the media.

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stunet commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 9:10am

The precedent has already been set, CRG. Happened in 2006:

https://www.smh.com.au/national/surf-rage-attacker-in-plea-mix-up-20061123-gdovzy.html

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NDC commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 9:24pm

Stunet - any idea how the case of john Vincent Dunne ended?

I couldn’t find anything on google - except someone suggesting in a swellnet thread he be included in Surfing World’s 50 most intruiging people in surfing - huh?

Perhaps he turned himself round 180 degrees - that would be intriguing....

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stunet commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 9:15am

No idea NDC. Need to get the fellas at SW on the case!

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terrance commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 10:56am

From memory he changed solicitors, changed his plea to ''not guilty'' and got off. The police prosecutor must have been handed a very weak brief, and John Vincent's first solicitor must have been rather incompetent.

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NDC commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 11:50am

Thx - sounds like a pretty unsatisfactory outcome for the community - again. Shame

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Tony Jack Clancy commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 10:01am

Hi crg...I anticipated reactivity which is why I ended "and worth thinking about...?" The question mark was an invitation but there's a great difference between suggesting something and 'wanting to' as you have defined me. The bully-boy/thug/ psychopath/, sociopath/drug induced/overcrowding problem is copiously noted by various older and current surfers. The chap in question has been at it for years it seems...but he's only one of the consistently violent surfing types according to my readings and experience.

There has been no surfing community cure for it, with or without drop-in 'rules' and some of the worst 'offenders' on drop-in are top surfers in my experience, who think they own the place. They ought to know better than those lesser surfers with much little situational awareness, yet I know that top surfers are pressed by the desperation needed in fine tuning needed for competition for cash. One problem is that by abusing lesser surfers they may become just like the abuser, compounding the problems.

Despotism and autocracy were not just confined to Garcia and Butch (van Artsdalen) and their equivalents in Australia in my day, but the violence highlighted in the Thompson case seems to have become a discussion point but pointless with no broader solutions. That's what I wanted to initiate.

I deplored as a young surfer, the local Council , with their licensing, impounding and the way the lifesavers sometimes used and damaged impounded boards. I have studied aspects of law but am not an uncritical lover of law or authority as being acceptable solutions to all problems, however are we just going to complain about the violence problem or try to find a solution which works...which means involving consistency, applicability and community support.

I suggested in my projection, a mature surfer-community committee supported by Council. The surfers as a group would for example advise a surfer he's in the wrong area for his level of expertise and to say go down past a coloured buoy set up. Sure it has flaws. Nothing is easy to implement, nothing is perfect and change always finds some dissention even sabotage. That's a fact of life and draws great amounts of research in my area..

I realise the difficulty in making such a suggestion work until it became a culture but it might also have practicality in being an incentive to improve and move into a higher grouping, accepted by the local surfing community. Sure, it was a suggestion which I knew as incomplete and would attract degrees of adverse reaction. That said, looking at a surfing community response and it has to ultimately be a local/nationwide response ...is there a solution?...do you actually want a solution? …. is, conditioned by media and personal issues it just more exciting to read the fear of Jodie and trueblue and others and complain about it?. Perhaps the Thompson case will cure it all...I doubt it though... Anyway, thanks for responding crg, perhaps it will initiate some constructive and practical solution now rather than let it all drift-on for another hundred years of surfing violence.

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crg commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 1:58pm

That's all well and good TJC...an obviously thoughtful and educated response.
But what's the point?
These incidents and the like are prevalent across our society as a whole. Violence against women is for me probably the greatest issue that needs to be addressed in our society. So why are thinking or discussing the regulation of surfing.
We need to focus on the violence and the perpetrators of it.
Put Carcass or whoever in jail or anger management and leave surfing out of it. We've self regulated successfully for a long time outside of random wankers at a few populated places. I consider the surfing lineup to be a mostly organised, safe and civil experience.
I simply don't want the actions of a very small minority to necessitate unwarranted changes or even give seed to high brow theoretical discussion on how to fix something that isn't broken.

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But I'm free.

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Tony Jack Clancy commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 6:57pm

Hi again...I see your point crg...I genuinely thank you for your argument, one should always encourage other points of view to mould our own ideas more freely from cognitive bias’. Good on you for that, much appreciated and what I sought. I do realise there are usually several or more ‘frames of reference’ or point of view on any matter and depending on whether one is perpetrator, victim, academic or observer.

Surfer agro and violence was around in the 60’s and 70’s and has never stopped. North Narra was renowned for it in the 60’s/70’s though not alone at that. The obvious problem is not enough beaches with enough sets for the increasing numbers of surfers. On the same tack, you can’t tell people how great is surfing and expect them to go anywhere else but where you are. Flogging someone, as with ttb then bellowing I’m ‘king of Greenmount’ or any other place, is evidence of narcissism. The 'king's' welcome from the others perhaps should be %^$%#&*-off idiot" In Thompson’s case, on the comments, it’s his pathology and he's not alone.

That said I don’t recall the media coverage of Jodie’s matter indicating any of the 100’s of surfers rushed to her aid…or in tbb’s report, anyone to his. Perhaps they did or perhaps there was the ‘bystander’ effect at play, maybe some ’willful blindness’ until someone wisely recorded the event and a couple gave evidence.. but what if Jodie had died?

Would I be far off proposing, without evidence to hand, that the Thompson case represents thousands of cases of bullying and violence in the surf?, over the last 50 years. Telling others to p-off in on form or another is not legally bullying if done only once, but it used to be accompanied by violence, paddling around him so he’d back off the wave or forcing the surfer closer and closer to danger…e.g a reef as he tried to get a wave, fantasising the bullies would leave him be if he was at critical take-off.

My "?-proposition" was the extreme end, using legal means and a collaboration of surfing and local community. I’d like to agree surfer violence and bullying is under control but the comments even on Thompson indicate it isn’t quite as complete as that. That said, crg is probably an active surfer, confident things are under control as they stand. Say, though, I’ve been away from surfing, not part of the local tribe, not a hodad either, but pretty rusty would I be safe, even encouraged to get in the line-up and given a wave alone, or if paddling out at Snapper for example would I be lined-up for smashed board or body? with or without despotic warning, or by a some bloke trying to impress his mates..

I suppose we are all out there for freedom, experience, happiness and fitness and unfair as it may seem, no-one can lawfully justify an autocratic or possessive right to exclusivity of a surfing area, perhaps not even lifesavers but we tolerate even encourage community minded people.

If my raising the surfing community/local community experience-grading approach gets some musing, perhaps scorn, even totally rejected, then hopefully a better solution will be proposed or initiated. That covers it. Ciao.

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nomad1 commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 8:52pm

@CRG- is violence against women THE problem... or it that lots of Australians are just pretty aggressive? Something thats reflected in violence generally.
Ive not lived in Oz for 12 years now (so perhaps ive missed something?) but the thing thats struck me is the lack of aggro in most places i go. So yeah i am against violence against women 100% but i think thats a symptom of a wider aggression that seems to be about in Oz. I never really noticed it or reflected on it til I left and realised alot of others arent on edge and trying to be tough all the time.

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crg commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 4:46am

Big question...probably a whole other forum on the topic of violence in general, violence in Australia and the changes in violence. But with women dying every week at the hands of men it surely needs to be the priority issue.

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craigini commented Friday, 26 Jul 2019 at 8:50pm

GO AND WRITE A NOVEL YOU BORED PUNTER!

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dimdim commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 6:28pm

Be carefull what you wish for in regards to committees and regulations etc.

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Nigeisblessed commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 12:43pm

He rides a blow up mat! Can we really say he has regular surf spots?

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simba commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 4:36pm

Funny how carcass said he dropped in cause the surf was crowded........ive seen him drop in with a dozen or less out there on quite a few occassions over the years,.was always going to end up bad for him sooner or later.Probably lucky it was Jodie and not some deranged ice freak who would have dealt a different kind of punishment out.

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bluediamond commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 4:42pm

Half-man. Greatest photo caption ever Swellnet!!

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Bunker Spreckles commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 10:34am

Yep. I was at the Ballina RSL last week when a copy of the Northern Star ran it. The door man an old Veteran asked me straight up " Who is this idiot?"It is fair to say his actions failed the 'pub test'.

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truebluebasher commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 5:20pm

tbb finds this hard to read as similar but worse happened in late '70's.(Aged 16)
Classic Greenmount & the 'Boss' reckons trueblue grom cherry picked enough.
Next wave H.P. drops in then turns hard to take me out...(Just like that!)

The mobster was dunking me with punches to my face each attempted breath.
Reckons after 4 / dunk & bash combos he got his message across.

H.P. turned & reminded the line-up that he was the King of Greenmount.
Adding he's entitled to any wave he wants...H.P. knows this story well.
Pretty sure half the crew can suss out washed up Hodad...let sleeping sea dogs lie!

tbb knows first hand how helpless Jodie must have felt with each breath as your last.

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linez commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 7:34pm

Sorry to hear tbb...H.P....if it's the same person as I'm thinking, then not much has changed in all these years

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Andrew P commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 8:51pm

His initials are M.A.T is that why he lies down on one?

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liplauncher commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 9:26pm

Ive come across this knobhead as well
It was about ten or twelve years ago, 2ft onshore mush at broken
I paddled into one, a good 30 metres away from him.
He was on a mat and there was not even a remote chance he was going to get around the crumbling foam section to where I was.
The bozo went completely berserk/insane, threatening "I'm going to knife you in the car park". I just paddled away, but it did rattle me a bit at the time. It remains the most full on aggression Ive experienced in over 40 years of surfing. I hope he gets the sentence he deserves

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billie commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 9:51pm

And yet he goes to court and tries to get off?!?! I wonder why he doesn't just fess up? It could have been like this in the court..... "I'm guilty as charged, I'm very sorry, I have an ongoing anger problem and now is the time in my life to make change."
Yet INSTEAD.... Lies, slinking away from responsibilty, weakness, sucking up to a judge. Is THAT masculine? Is THAT strong? Is THAT tough? What a childlike response to guilt! From an old man!

Billie

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Tim Bonython commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 8:19am

Well said. After reading all the comments this one rings true. I don't recon he's going to change regardless what he receives.

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terrance commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 10:24am

He might not change, but if he was smart, he would. Appearing in court on a similar charge shortly after being convicted usually leads to a sentence towards the higher end of the scale for that offence, in this case, a short stint in prison (not the place for an old man with a pigtail).
Also, if the sentence for this offence appears ''light'' this time, expect to DPP to appeal (they do it sometimes even if unlikely of an increased sentence as it creates further strain financially for the defendant and keeps it in the media a little longer).
Problem is, this might be his first criminal charge for this offence, because no one has previously come forward (or if they have, it hasn't gone further for whatever reason). All of his previous actions are not known to the courts. He can't be judged by courts on what may or may not have previously happened.
Now, that's all changed. Dramatically. Many now know he has a criminal record and will bait him, knowing that if he takes the bait, he will be back in court and the previous defence of ''its a one-off'' is gone. People also now know he is just an old sooky bully and I reckon he'll have a target on him wherever he goes.

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udo commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 10:34am

Guilty but no criminal record as yet....
likely to be 12 mths gd behaviour with section 10.

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terrance commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 11:05am

Unlikely to get a section 10, one of the four areas of a section 10 is that the matter could be considered ''trivial''. Such a violent act such as an attempted drowning isn't trivial. The fact the court is looking at a suitability for community service means he will have a criminal record, a good behaviour period and an amount of hours doing community service. But if it happens again, especially during a period of good behaviour imposed by the court, he might be in for a lot tougher sentence.

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Bunker Spreckles commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 10:40am

Well said. Nobody knows if he has any past criminal history of note either. Plenty of rumourism as he has always been a shady character. But given the coppers began the proceedings with an attendance notice rather than outright arrest, his Crim History may be minimal or nil. His over inflated ego means he will not do any deep contemplation either...

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Feralkook commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 2:45pm

"a short stint in prison (not the place for an old man with a pigtail)"
I am sure many in prison would consider the pigtail a redeeming quality and enough to attract some after lights out lovin from his new cell mate and BFF, "Big Billy Bongschlong".

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brutus commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 10:25am

he would if he got a decent jail term , which is merited here.....6 mths minimum ..

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NDC commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 11:48am

Spot in Billie - we’ll said

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greyhound commented Saturday, 20 Jul 2019 at 9:55pm

Are you from the surfcoast Brutus?

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mattsrforkooks commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 7:15am

Been running his mouth off for years the old kook. He might need that surf Mat as a pillow when the next person takes exception to his self entitled presence at the point !

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gggiiibbbo commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 7:09am

Been screamed at/dropped in on by this dickhead at mid-week 3ft Lennox with 20 people out & that was half way down the point! Utter wanker.

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straddieman commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 7:44am

I'll take care of you mark you old flog

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Laurie McGinness commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 10:11am

I know a lot of people disagree with this view but I'll put it again anyway. These incidents are never one offs so the sooner threats and actual violence are reported to the police, the better for all concerned. It also means that if the offender persists, he faces going to court with evidence of previous warnings about the behaviour. You are not being cowardly in doing this, you are assisting the community by helping to keep the peace.

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brutus commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 1:01pm

then the police get over run with complaints , don't really give a shit till someone gets badly hurt.....Lozza that's the Seppo model , call police everytime there's an altercation in the water , we might as well just install cops in every beach ...make sure everyone takes it trun and hold hands out the back singing Kumbaya between sets.

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Laurie McGinness commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 1:56pm

The main idea is to STOP people getting badly hurt. It also prevents people ending up in court on a serious charge, saves the costs to the tax payer of the court case and helps create a culture in which everyone is comfortable in the water. Participation in the singing of Kumbaya remains optional :)

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brutus commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 9:17am

So everytime there is a perceived threat ,a report gets filled out by the police , the police have to investigate fill out reports , involve prosecutors etc.......so it would actually be way more expensive and have the police chasing frivilous complaints...the best option is what they have at Lowers ...a CCTV camera where everybody knows they are on camera.....there is one downside to this , every surfer in the water is protected and any surfer of any level can do whatever they want , drop in , get in the way , etc...

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Laurie McGinness commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 10:27am

Not the way it works in most jurisdictions brutus, unless it was a serious incident they would pay a visit to the aggressor and advise him to mend his ways, record it in their notebooks ....... end of story, unless his account suggested provocation in which case they would come back and advise the complainant against further behaviour of that type. No courts, no prosecutors, an official record and an increased probability of both parties being a bit more restrained in the future.

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brutus commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 12:07pm

Lozza , I deal with this every time there is surf , the hierarchy in the surf has been invaded by ALS , who have no idea of any etiquette , or hierarchies in the surf such as locals....... I personally have been responsible for a few police visits and it really shits them , so much work for no result......and often inflames the situation.....lets put up CCTV cameras......at all crowded beaches..

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SGAG commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 11:00am

Typical weak prick.
I was surfing Bells a month back and witnessed the same type of weak prick throwing his weight around and dropping in on a group of women out ripping it up and then an elderly man in his late 70s giving it a crack. What a cheek. After a while I thought I'd do the same to him and I burnt him. Well fuck me didn't I cop it. He asked me who I was and what I was doing out here lol so I just said I was visiting my gf, smashing lips and was about to jog back to Torquay to train Jiu Jitsu where I'm a Brown belt and that if he wanted to help me warm up on beach I was more than happy to.
This is not about me but chivalry is a dying trait and I wish more people would step the hell up again and watch out for those less capable of looking after themselves.

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Lottolonglong commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 4:14pm

Well done,i call it out when I see aggression from assholes, keep up good work!!!
What did the bloke do after u told him that?

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NDC commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 12:07pm

Great thread - important issue - most of us still love this sport simply because it’s fun, healthy, relatively harmless to the environment and so on - none of which is honoured by this man’s ugly aggro ...

An attitude and behaviour that’s been identified as being proven as fact beyond reasonable doubt in about the best forum we have for establishing the truth

+ it seems pretty clear he has a history of doing the same to others over time in a variety of conditions - and apparently zero supporters ( in this forum at least) prepared to vouch for redeeming features of his character

His unremorseful and arrogant remarks that dropping in is ok if there’s a hundred people out and presentation of a ‘story’ to mask and justify his behaviour (that the judge found in-credible) makes this a pretty clear case to me

I agree that CS seems inadequate, it’s horrendous to be physically threatened by aggro bullies, being physically attacked is worse, to within an inch of your life - words fail me.

I’m a supporter of compulsory anger mgt to be part of the sentence, and some form of banishment from surfing if it can practically applied - I can’t see increased regulation by councils or anyone else as a good thing to what is still an isolated occurrence in our (generally) beautiful sport. Penal sentences? Maybe / maybe not - I just fear it makes a person like this angrier.

That said - Any repeat offence after CS, anger mgt etc - please, please, throw the book at them and throw it hard - let’s try and help people change for the better, if they can’t, no matter if they’ve been abused themselves or not - let’s keep the peace loving community safe

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Bunker Spreckles commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 11:38am

Great post and true for an offender who has some ability to reflect, change and move ahead. I highly doubt the offender in this case possess the common virtues required for such change. The only change possible is one similar to Drouyn-Westerly Windina. Trade winds Tomo? Cross shore Carcuss?

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truebluebasher commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 12:54pm

As said most of us victims were groms,chix or pops.
tbb first reported his incident here (above) some 40 years on.
Sure I could out the hodad by name & yes he has a long record sheet over decades.
But monster shares a rare surname with innocent family members.

1970's Qld police were criminals...tbb can't recall victims game enough to front them.
(Choose) Pulverised by Coolangatta's Police Order Squad or psychopathic surf thug?
https://mypolice.qld.gov.au/museum/files/2014/05/Police-Woman-Batons-Up-...

tbb has been banned from Towns,Pubs,Night Clubs,Beaches & Surf Breaks & more.
Never once for threatening,harming,interfering or impeding anyone.

tbb can't imagine a world where Town Bully would be banned.(never gonna happen!)
Victims know the score & as such are fearful of revenge if they report pet Bully.
Victims will be told not to surf there if they feel threatened...(That needs to reverse!)

Ban the Bullies.(Set victims free!) Which Judge has got what it takes...Wait & see!

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velocityjohnno commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 4:03pm

tbb you've been through a lot and you have my sympathies. I'm learning that abuses suffered early in life can stay with us as adults, manifest in illness, and can be reversed. Send it back at them, even if in an energetic form.

Had a ball out in crowded surf today, it was more friendly and kick-back, you didn't have to catch every wave, it was nice to talk to people. Guide the newer surfers. Hopefully inspire with a turn or two. It was like a community. Not much of a niche for psychopaths in this environment.

May I entertain you with anonymous revenge? Prawns meet air intake at base of windscreen. Expanding foam meet letterbox. Or worse: said foam meet all the door panel gaps, he may be king of the point but he's not driving home easily. Actually forget all that, don't do that. Living well is the best revenge.

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manic- mat -rider commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 6:31pm

Tbb , did HP like to walk around and surf in his sluggos? Surfed a longer board ?
If its the same guy I am thinking of then he is / was good mates with Carcuss !

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Bunker Spreckles commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 2:24pm

Carcuss has friends? No way.

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liplauncher commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 5:06pm

Interesting that the old business website for his surf mats was full of soul surfing family imagery, with lots of children and women/mums featured, like some organic hipster north coast dream. What a wanker when the reality of his violent and aggressive behaviour is so opposite to that fluff. Maybe a boycott of his mats combined with the public shaming he is currently recieving will punish him more than any weak judicial penalty that might be handed to him.
I hope he gets a custodial sentence as well

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Bunker Spreckles commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 12:30pm

Plenty of sociopathic, cowardly, greedy, lowlifes masquerading as cool peace and mung beans surfer-hippies on the North Coast. A certain highly paid one among them.

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The Plowking commented Tuesday, 30 Jul 2019 at 4:24pm

Bloody oath.
Joints always attracted flogs as described.

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Logical commented Sunday, 21 Jul 2019 at 6:28pm

Change the law surf rage = road rage
Simple change some minor words below of the current act and done. see - 5 YEARS !!!

Yet this toad kept pushing her head under water and gets community service. If was my girl Carcass would have missed his hearing, say no more,

THE LAW - PREDATORY DRIVING
Section 51A of Crimes Act states:
The driver of a vehicle who, while in pursuit of or travelling near another vehicle: (a) engages in a course of conduct that causes or threatens an impact involving the other vehicle, and (b) intends by that course of conduct to cause a person in the other vehicle actual bodily harm, is guilty of an offence and liable to imprisonment for 5 years.

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truebluebasher commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 12:50am

thanx crew but tbb wishes to stick by 'swellnet policy' of not outing this & that.
Be like lost in a sea of forgotten surf legends from some ancient swellnet forum.
No idea where you'd start to dig up the past...as tbb said, not here & not now!
https://www.swellnet.com/forums/wax/151226

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Oceanliving9356 commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 10:23am

absolute tosser,seen the old fella out at Lennox gut sliding and dropping in many a time.
real tough guy to Women and kids .Fucking coward.its bad enough seeing lid's out there but rubber mats, stick to a closeout shorebreak where everyone that can't surf enjoys themselves

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regano commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 11:52am

Hey Carcass I don't know if you read Swellnet or the comments on this article, but I just wanted to say, karma has finally caught up with you. It took almost 20 years but justice has been served and after attacking a woman no less. Wow, even I didn't think you could sink that low.... I can only imagine the pain and financial suffering that you're going through right now. Defending those charges must have been very expensive. I think it's time the Lennox point surfing community handed down their penalty, one not only fitting for the crime but appropriate in the surfing context....you're no longer welcome out the point. Go find another pile of shit stained rocks to call home...

regano

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Oceanliving9356 commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 12:43pm

well said regano,silly old prick never has given a shit about anyone but himself, felt like smashing the old fart many a time but you cant hit a Senior citizen ,can you?

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Bunker Spreckles commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 10:51am

That should have happened 30 years ago. Local and visiting surfers have suffered this idiot for a long time. Need an active group that nips knobheads in the bud real quick. But old Lennox is nearly gone now. Softer,politically correct, sponsor appeasing,trust fund to protect snowflakes who may vent through instagram is the modern crew. Would not past the Cliffy Corbett test.

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saltman commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 3:52pm

I was a Sydney blow in at Ballina for 12 months, 35 years ago
Never had an issue with anyone surfing the point
Not so these days

Cliffy was a neighbour and a decent bloke wonder where he is now

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AndyM commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 4:16pm

Cliffy's still around and doing well though his body is letting him down as he gets on.

I think he's more worried about commercial fishing issues than surfing these days but he's still happy to tell people where it's at if they're careless in the water.

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Bunker Spreckles commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 4:42pm

Salt man.Still see Cliffy on the river here and there, as with many of the old North Coast fishermen crew they are fading in numbers. I notice freeride 79 believes that surfers are less violent now. Possibly so but I think more frustrated and less stoked. Hooting and encouraging others nearly non existent, friendly chats unconcerned about missing waves long gone. I hear a lot of antipathy towards Qlders, however they tend to go home after a day or two. With Carcuss being Case in point, what I have realised is that many guys move in and slowly over a three to five year period feel out the locals, do a bit of networking, then start trying to play heavy 'local'. Now with the luxury of time I have noticed guys as far back as Carcuss era and even Nat/Mctavish era played this role. Thoughts on the decline in surfing camadarie?

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frog commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 1:15pm

Gently tug that pony tail next time you see him - as a matey "hello old chap" greeting of course.

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karliosis commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 1:31pm

Go back to the Valley man!

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stunet commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 1:37pm

Back to the valley?

Worse than the San Fernando Valley, Carcass originally comes from Liverpool, western Sydney.

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karliosis commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 2:51pm

Geeez! Was assuming it is the same stunt double Jodie Cooper from Point Break?

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Bunker Spreckles commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 10:58am

Are you sure? I knew he was another Sydney blowin but once heard him boasting about his CBD based assets. That was when I was a very gullible grommie. Geez the North Coast has copped wave after wave of Sydney arseholes. They lie low for a couple of years, network, suss out the other locals then begin to tell everyone else that came behind them to "piss off". Lennox-Byron is full of them.

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memlasurf commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 1:57pm

Is his son estranged from him as I can't work out why one, he is riding a surfmat (these went out once the lid was invented) and not one of his son's creations, and two, why is he so psychotic? An angry mat rider, now you don't see that every day let alone a mat rider, in fact I can't remember when I last saw one it would have to be back in the 70's. You have to wonder what has sent him over the edge, the invention of the lid?

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bipola commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 2:16pm

he should be made to surf at Bondi Beach between the flags. that's where the scum bag belongs

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Cucans commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 2:54pm

What a low-life POS! Can someone let the tyres down on his car next time they're at Lennox, and leave a note on his windshield that says "this is from everyone"!!

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spencie commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 4:46pm

On the same topic, has anyone seen Cliffy lately?

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freeride76 commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 5:02pm

I saw him today, he was coming in the river from fishing.

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velocityjohnno commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 6:04pm

Must've been good fishing!

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AndyM commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 10:13pm

Boom tish

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Finntim commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 5:25pm

Maybe as a bonus to being banned from surfing the point, part of his punishment should wearing a sandwich board that reads ' Welcome to lennox head, have a great surf and awesome rest of your day!' in the carpark. Much respect to Jodie cooper.

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billie commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 7:25pm

Yes. Jodie Cooper. Well done and honourings for your bravery and work!!!!!

Thanks for the reminder Finntim

Billie

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muffsic commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 6:19pm

What I do not understand is the logic behind a surfer claiming they have special rights to waves as a “local” as they have lived and surfed in an area for an extended period of time. Their thought process is - I have lived here longer than you, done my time here and therefore can either take as many waves as I lIke or simply drop in and you cannot raise an objection - and if you do it all goes pear shaped.

Essentially it is a right ( in their mind) derived from their time in the water. A form of surfers “land rights”. For example a 40 year old surfer who has been surfing for 30 years - 5 days per week for 4 hours a day. Total time in the water is 31,200 hours - however they have spent 319,200 hours NOT in the water.

Using their logic, these surfers should be just as aggressive in claiming their rights on their local land, moving incoming occupants off choice beachside plots of land, for example - where they have spent the vast majority of their time. Of course this does not happen.

There are no inherent rights gained from your time in the ocean.

The best surfers in the lineup will get the best waves - but are not entitled to every wave.

This behaviour is all about greed, self satisfaction, self justification and a warped view of ones image. None of these are positive human traits - in the water or on land.

Sadly there are too many Carcasses in the water.

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Blowin commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 6:36pm

And sadly there are too many people who do not respect the crew who live in the area they are visiting to surf.

Locals do have more rights than tourists. Not to be confused with complete entitlement.

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Bunker Spreckles commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 5:05pm

Interesting point blowin. But the definition of 'local' is now ambiguous. Is Thor the local heavy at Broken-Seven mile due to owning 20 million dollars of property? Branson at Wategos? Trust fund kids of Lennox guardians of the point? Nat owns Angourie? Dingo owns Kirra? Can you move from central Qld to beachfront Skenners Head and then from your SUP tell all and sundry to go home? Money talks in real volumes today and you can buy yourself a place in the line up real quick.

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Bunker Spreckles commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 9:07pm

Ha. Very well written mate,brilliant.

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dimdim commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 6:43pm

Carcas should seek help from a health professional. He may just be a bully who needs to see the error of his ways. A psychiatrist could help him. To anyone with anger issues please reach out. Bullying is bad. Seek help.

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Blowin commented Monday, 22 Jul 2019 at 6:59pm

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gromfull commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 9:06am

Having read all the comments im quite amazed at the lack of real truth here, it is not all one sided as everyone here is indicating,

lets look at Jodie's history of aggression and lack of manners in the water, hawaii Jonny boy gommes, didnt he back hand her for mouthing off, have heard of an incident in SA,
the day in question she is burning people , snaking up the inside being an absolute arse, an older local tries to talk to her only to be told , to fuck you old so and so, real bad form on her part,
so carcus takes it upon himself to dish out a bit of surf etiquette, she flexes her muscles again, jumps on his back smacks in the head, carcus takes it too far,
not condoning what he done at all,
but reality is , she was the aggressor
at what point do you pull up an out of control aggressive woman in the line up
if carcus wasnt hated as much as he is, there would be multiple witnesses ,
if someone of a higher standing in the lineup called Jodie out for acting like an arse , what would have been the out come
i feel this has become so one sided, that there needed to be some balance
and all this domestic violence against woman is also out of balance, dont see any men decapitating there mothers heads and throwing them in the neighbor's yard
lets deal with some facts people and just be respectful to each other

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brutus commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 9:40am

Jodie has been a gay woman in a man's world , called surfing . She might have attitude and as I know her personally , she has always stood up for herself she has been verbally insulted , physically assaulted by men a couple of times , and then nearly drowned .
So OK Jody was being aggressive in the water at Lennox , a local tunes her about snaking , she tells him to fuck off or whatever , the problem is Carkarse , put his local hat on and the first dunking ,crime of passion , the second now really pushing the limits , the third was life threatening ....

so this really brings up an old school question of " men do not have the right to hit women." , but now in this new age world where women are now equal with men , if a woman slaps you or ...pulls your hair.....is it self defence to beat the crap out of her?

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gromfull commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 10:53am

yes carcus went to far, the fist dunking was self defense , a warning shot, the other two way out of line, he has to deal with the outcome, but doubt it will change hime

are you condoning her aggressive behaviour in the line up, how is it justified

ive been in a few fights down the local but doesnt mean every time i go to the pub i go looking for a fight,

its not the worlds problem she is gay, and its not mens fault she is gay, so why the need to carry on like an arse

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brutus commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 3:11pm

Gromfull , do you have any idea what she has been through as a gay person surfing in a male dominated sport , the shit she has copped as guys were trying to fuck her , make lewd comments to her in and out of the water about her sexuality , so yeah she has a backbone and stands up for herself ...as for aggressive behaviour in the water FR has chipped in with there are no eyewitness's to Jodie jumping on his back.....so the old carcass is literally up shit creek with out a paddle when it comes to his defence......
if it was your sister , wife or a friend what would your reaction be to Carkarse's assault..?

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velocityjohnno commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 10:36am

Thank you Gromfull for the extra info. I was wondering if there was a backstory that day. Remembering the Nat case, there were years of animosity that led to incident and fight, iirc.

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freeride76 commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 10:41am

only person who claims she jumped on his back is Carcass himself.

no eyewitness supports that testimony.

so, not correct to say she was the aggressor.

Carcass dishing out surf etiquette: laugh my arse off.

Are you really claiming Jody getting smacked by a Hawaiian bloke at least 50 pounds heavier than her as an example of her "aggression and lack of manners".
Thats some twisted logic.

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gromfull commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 10:58am

heard a few say she jumped on his back

are you saying nothing happened in hawaii, it shows she has form for mouthing off, a precedent

you can take it how you like, again if carcus wasnt hated so much a different story,

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memlasurf commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 1:49pm

I would take Johnny Boys word with a grain of salt, now there is another thug. The guy was notorious for being and arsehole and wanting to punch on at the slightest opportunity. Carkarse is nuts from all reports and Jodie sounds like she has just a bit of a chip on the old shoulder to say the least, and if she did jump on his back and claw him or whatever, all he had to do was tell her to calm down and push her away not drown her and go in and discuss it on the beach. I think a few crew from up there need a dose of cold Victorian winter water to cool them off.

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ringmaster commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 2:13pm

I stand to be corrected but on that incident with JBG (which happened what?.....25 plus years ago) I remember reading that he actually dropped in on another bloke out at Sunset and JC mouthed her disapproval. Big, tough JBG then slapped her for having the cheek to call him out.

Hitting a chick just isn't on.....especially over something as lame as a disputed wave in the surf

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regano commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 1:36pm

Hey Gromfull, you're absolutely right, there is two sides to this story but when it comes to sticking up for men who think the appropriate response to a 'out of control aggressive woman' is violence, you lose me. When it comes to the question of balance and domestic violence, there is no balance. If you want facts then here's one, over 80% of reported domestic violence is by men against woman and among those statistics are plenty of crimes equal to or worse than your decapitation anecdote.

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jaunkemps commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 9:11am

What a complete tool, how's about him and Nat go each other on the beach, I'd like too see that, buncha pussys, HEROS in a small town

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Bunker Spreckles commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 11:09am

Agreed. But have them blow back to some shithole in Sydney where they belong and punch on. Enough Sydney trash has been dumped on the North Coast.

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Laurie McGinness commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 6:38pm

Go back where you came from BS? A popular sentiment these days! Good luck with that attitude.

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Bunker Spreckles commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 7:20pm

Laurie. You may not reside in the Northern Rivers and thus be unaware of how the last thirty years has panned out. Perhaps if Carcuss and many like him had been more thoroughly vetted early in the piece these incidents may have been avoided. Their is often method in madness.

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Tony Jack Clancy commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 9:30am

I don't have gromfull's insight into the greater story so I'll try to just make a dissertation on the societal issues.

Swellnet contributors offer a variety of emotional and legalistic responses to the Thompson event and its outcome. Comments such as these on ‘Beach Grit’ indicate what for me are unsavoury differences in reaction and views of responsibility:
Jodie will now be hailed by the Murfers as a hero and and influencer, and shunned at Lennox for being a snitch.
it shouldnt have gone to court. she is a snitch isnt she?
i heard some leba crew talked her into pressing charges
How come she never pressed charges against Johnny Boy Gomes for punching her at Pipeline?

The most desirable local surf attracts the local surfers which are representatives of the local tribe, looking askance at others breaking into their territory. Within the tribe some become a team which ensure invaders are frustrated wherever possible. Sometimes overt or ‘accidental’ violence and injury occur. The worst situation as I see it in Thompson’s case was his preparedness to drown Jodie. What would he have done had she drowned ?... paddled away? or called others to help her in case she could be recovered?...Where were they anyway when this event was happening…’bystanding’? .

I wasn’t there so I am working on the absence of evidence of real support of her at the time of the assault with intention to create harm. Will this be a ‘heads-up’ moment in surfing history?

If you take an extreme case of territorial ‘rights’ a bus picking up people from say Bilgola to Granville, would initially see locals able to demand particular seats from others not of their tribe. Eventually becoming jam-packed people not from the suburb being passed-through at any stage having to give up their seats to people from that suburb. Those territorially-favoured would then have to do the same when entering the next suburb. It would become unmanageable and quickly lead to violence, much less able to be hidden as ‘an accident’ than in the surf.

Tribalism and territorialism lead to bias’ and violence which are used by pathological Government including our own forelock-tuggers who selectively condemn pathological liars for example the Rawandan and Congolanese massacres but support genocidal Israelis mass-murdering Palestinians and the ‘West’ invading the Middle East after killing their man (Hussein)., He would have stopped IS from getting momentum I think. They sought (my opinion) to ensure creation of a new demon to replace bin Laden and Gadaffi in the politics of fear.

Fear is used to justify State and Federal control of the ‘great unwashed’, including, perhaps paradoxically, surfers. Opportunistically and creatively Governments have created a wilful blindness to internal and neighbourly inequality. Increasingly that is emulated by local tribes and territorials whilst introducing more and more local dissention concerning migration.

They then in hypocrisy, expect people to obey laws they may not even know exist and spy on them (e.g. Echelon/Inslaw-promis) to characterise them.

Thompson exemplifies that despotic mindset, but he is only one of who knows how many others. Surfing commercialism is only one of the reasons that people take up surfing and migrate into territorial waters. Others might be the fitness-image, the entitlement to use the jargon, the fashions, akin-ness to the stories, the feeling of belonging, the pretty women (or men) and the discovery of one’s ability or lack of it. We see that in politics also.

Do territorial surfers claiming a greater right, in their travels or in the old term “safari’s” give to local surfers exactly the rights they demand for themselves?.. Stories of Australians surfing Indonesia for example, another extreme case as not in our own national waters, indicate they arrogantly do not. Similar stories emerged from Hawaii over the decades and no doubt experienced surfers could add to that as a long list. If say Kelly Slater or in my day, Bob McTavish for example decides to surf out of his territory and break local ‘rules’, which are the same as in his own territory , would those of the local surfer tribe paddle across and demand of either that he stick to the drop-in ‘rule’ and give others a fair go or get out of the place.. ‘go back where you came-from”... or would they consider them a special case and hold them in permissive awe.?

Mea-culpa, mea-culpa I had the same territorial feeling myself and alarm at hazards introduced by beginners trying to get a wave amidst experienced surfers.

Are professional or top surfers actually given ‘pan-territorial’ status? by the various tribes? Yes and no, however consistency in application of lawful ‘rules’ enables predictability and self -discipline. When a community of surfers act maturely it can induce self-respect through other than resorting to territorial justification of violence by bullies. Unfortunately the reality is too many surfers for not enough sets. I wonder what it will be like? if a million Chinese, a small % of their tribe, decide to surf Australia. Hmmmm...it may not be as unlikely as one might intuitively think. What will we do then?

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velocityjohnno commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 10:53am

An insightful post. Your last para, I suspect that where the conditions are nice (warm water, clean waves, easy lineups, murfers), surfers are creating a version of John C Calhoun's "mouse experiment" and it won't end well.

A million Chinese - what will we do? There are empty beachies at the WA/SA border, if you are keen... (More likely the pendulum will swing back from hyper-globalism and stricter entry rules will be enforced, as is happening worldwide).

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craigini commented Friday, 26 Jul 2019 at 8:48pm

WHAT DRIBBLE!

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freeride76 commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 10:26am

Highly doubtful there will be any self reflection or change in awareness or behaviour from the convicted. Thats just the way certain people are wired up. I doubt the expected slap on the wrist will change any of that. I have good reasons to believe that. Still, I could be wrong.

Just a note on the day in question and a seasonal context.

I surfed twice that day, it was the day of what was a very poor winter.

Not only was it a very poor winter but crowds were of an entirely different order of magnitude and character.

Localism, at it's best, can keep order in a lineup. Everyone can benefit. When order breaks down, as it did last winter, the result is not some kind of group hug/kumbaya where everyone enjoys the surf equally, but chaos. Chaos breeds tension and universal discord in the line-up.

That was the case that day. Still, surprisingly, the vibe was not aggro, but purely chaotic. A total shitshow.

Rats in a cage fighting over limited cheese leads to Calhouns Behavioural Sink.

My experience is that line-ups generally and this one specifically are far less aggro and violent than they were in the 70's/80's/90's. It's extremely rare now to see a punch thrown in the surf. I used to see it all the time out there.

Compared to streets at night the surf is a far less violent and intimidating place than it used to be. Which is amazing, when you consider the increase in crowds and the cluelessness and entitlement of a lot of visitors. The total lack of respect.

So the trend is not for more violence , but less. This case is more an isolated incident than a serious culture wide problem, far as I can see it.

What is surprising in the surf culture is not the violence, but the lack of it. The truly amazing thing about surf rage is the almost complete absence of it.

Van loads of OS visitors rocking up here last winter with mostly zero idea of surf etiquette led to a lot of tension in the water. The snaking was off the hook.

As an eg, one little glorious day where a swell popped up under the radar I had a surf by myself up the next section on the Point. A German surfer joined me.
Just me and him in perfect little waves.
After every wave he paddled straight back up the inside of me and tried to catch the next wave.
I politely tried to explain that was not the done thing and he shrugged his shoulders and was uncomprehending.
Which meant for almost every wave I caught I had to turn and look at him and say "no bloke, this ones mine".

20 years ago, that guy would have got a slap in the chops and told to fcuk off.

Thankfully, as AndyM will attest the vibe and civility in the water this winter has been a bit more sane.

So the problem of violence is one thing. The problem of the breakdown in order and the rise of dangerous free for all chaos is another.

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Bunker Spreckles commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 11:21am

Agreed. The greed and lack of basic surf etiquette is a huge problem. Now with the Carcass matter as Case Law any form of violence will result in a trip to the Magistrate. Regulators of the point from the past are numbered now and may turn point breaks into a free for all of snaking, drop ins and taking more than ones fair share.
Surfing is mainstream and the overriding desire for someone to be photographed and place themselves on social media as a 'legend' is its greatest challenge. We have entered the age of the instagram kook-VAL.

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memlasurf commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 1:55pm

Sounds like Bali, Euros have no idea.

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brutus commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 3:48pm

I agree FR there is a lot less violence in the water now , than in the 60's - 90's....

The problem we all have is when it gets crowded,hasn't been waves for a month..anarchy sets in and it's survival of the fittest .

because there are no written rules or regulations, Chaos ensues and we see humanity ready to beat each other to shit over a wave , or is it a personal space thing......??

we have so many adult surfers now who have no clue about etiquette in the water , as there is nothing really for them learn.......but what are we trying to teach them , who amongst us can legislate a global set of rules that we would all follow?

Nor sure if Carkarse understands he now has a conviction , no more USA/Hawaii or even Japan....but he is a target now , will be interesting to see how the surfers treat him now.....

what does George think about this stain on the mat riders isn't Mr C a good friend?

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AndyM commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 4:54pm

It's been very civilised so far this winter - for me, when the local crew are out there chatting with each other, looking out for each other and getting some waves, well that's a good session.
Having said that, I don't surf the Point when there's 100-120 people out.

I started my surfing on Stradbroke Island and as Spechy used to say, 'sacrifice a little quality and paddle down the beach'. I'd rather surf B-grade places around here with a tiny fraction of the people.
As for the general breakdown in order and respect, I don't know the answer.
My contribution is to paddle around talking to virtually everyone I know. The busier the session, the more I make a point of doing this.
Apart from making for a good vibe, it lets the visitors know who's who.
Territorial pissings.
And when the really long term locals come out of the woodwork, it words me up as well.

Of course there's always some fucker who will push it to the limit.
Do we go for thuggery?
I'm all for self-regulating lineups and communities but you risk entrenching and justifying the kind of behaviour you're trying to avoid. I think Carcass is pretty much a case in point.
I mean, who does the regulating?
I know when Glenn Curtis paddles out people start back peddling but is that the sort of session you want to be having? There's lots to be said for it and personally I'd rather have it than not. No simple answers though.
I had an on-wave push and shove with some fella about a week ago.
Sometimes you have to stand your ground.

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velocityjohnno commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 4:55pm

Andy that's a really, really good post & I find myself doing the same (lesser/lesser known spots, talking in crowded lineups) without really stopping to examine why.
Your reasons for why are insightful.

Recently I've been going a bit more back into the crowd, and seen big dings in boards, collisions - most people paddling around peacefully. I tend to know spots on the reefs where a certain type of wave will roll through and can catch a variety of these, but again, I wont go for the main lineups with 40 out, no fun.

There's a wave (pun intended) of newer adult surfers who have NFI about lineup etticut - maybe by enlightened existing surfers not being violent & thuggish like in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's they have been empowered to be clueless? Maybe their education is missing the rules of the surf? Maybe they just don't give a shit.

If you look at footage of Dora at Malibu in the 60's, it was chaos there too, total chaos with him threading through learners and pushing drop-ins off the wave.
Maybe the formula might go:

Surfing popular in media imagery: increase in surfer numbers: entropy in surfing system increases; glamour fades: slower growth in surfing population: entropy in surfing system decreases. Further away from easier surfing options with fewer surfers, less entropy.

One way to start to fix it, anyone remember the Surf Rules that Rosco made in SW WA in the 1990s? One of those as a monument/shrine at every main break, in a place where you can't miss it walking down the path to the wave.

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AndyM commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 5:40pm

VJ I don't think that final idea would hurt, although we've had these signs up for a while and I have no idea if they've done a thing to help.

Of course this is moving away from the issue at hand, which is local "regulators" with a sense of entitlement rather than ignorant visitors.

In any case, I think using my method above, the bulk of visitors pick up very quickly who lives locally and who they should be aware of. Others can be communicated with with a glance or a stare, and others who have paddled inside more than once need something straight up, like, "Next one's mine, yeah?".
But as we know, there're always people who will push it the whole way.
I'm not about to go the knuckle with some raging silverback who's foaming at the mouth so yeah, I'm careful about who I "communicate" with.
Law of the jungle.
I'm a career blow-in with a thin skin so I'm extremely aware of vibes in the water and who's who and how they carry themselves.

As for adult surfers with NFI, I just think you need to be prepared to push back, even if quite subtly.
Guys from France, Italy, Brazil, Germany etc have a totally different way of looking at crowds, so of course it's a cultural thing and most likely a generational thing as well. I think youngsters are much more sure of themselves or at least have been told how to bluff it as they grew up.
Guys like us are totally a soft touch out in the water, so as far as I'm concerned we need to be assertive and communicative.
And as I've said above and as Blowin has said elsewhere ("Does violence work ? Yes , it’s very effective. But it also creates all kinds of unpleasant ripples throughout the lives of people, not just those involved directly either, but also witnesses , the families of those involved and crew who are expected to take sides in the dispute."), thuggery gets very messy and what you think is a quick successful fix can and usually does have ongoing ramifications.

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velocityjohnno commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 10:51am

I'm so glad you mentioned Calhoun, FR! I wrote my bit above before reading yours! It IS an apt description of that situation. I noticed the crowds intensify greatly in comparison to other NSW the last time I got up to that area. Each session required finding niches in the lineup.

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udo commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 11:58am

Freeride- Carcass is well versed with Law did he represent himself ?

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Bunker Spreckles commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 12:49pm

Mate. "Carcuss is well versed in law." Do you really think so? I recall he tried to have it deemed a maritime incident. His defence per say was overall poorly coordinated and the Magistrate seemed well beyond any doubt he 'lacked credibility'. A push to have the matter heard by a jury would have been a smarter move. Receiving a female Magistrate meant all the stars lined up against him. The testing of the veracity of the 'independent' witness never received any due scrutiny. And presenting your own Surf mat as an exhibit proved to be a fail. Greedy barristers leading a blind with rage fool up the garden path?

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terrance commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 12:16pm

No jury trials at the local court and I doubt he (or his two barristers and an aide?) would have wanted it heard in a higher court (though the barri$ter$ would have certainly liked a longer jury trial at a higher court).

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freeride76 commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 12:04pm

no, he had two barristers and an aide.

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terrance commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 12:37pm

''Two barristers and an aide'' (a solicitor I presume) to appear at a local court hearing? He was $titched up there.
There must have been a bit giggling with court folk and court reporters. I could imagine the police prosecutor ribbing the two barristers before the case was called, ''you two lost?", ''at least one of you could have carried his half-blown up li-lo for him for what he's paying you''.
Even the magistrate would have been amused, probably never seen so many representing a defendant in a local court. Wonder she didn't ask for a short adjournment before proceeding so the defence can get another table and more chairs.
He has no idea about the law, surprised he didn't engage a QC! His solicitor must not like him very much.
I know who would have $houted the po$t court $ession lunch / drink$. (Technically, carcass, but he wouldn't have been invited). I bet they all laughed and laughed...

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Bunker Spreckles commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 12:36pm

That would be in the 55k-75k range for legal costs. Doubt he will recoup the losses through sales of the Krypt Surf mat. That brand will now be associated with grubs only.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 1:05pm

Rasta will be pushing it uphill if he keeps trying to bolster his freelove image by mat riding after this little drama.

Wonder if the LeBa Ladykiller is liable for defaming mat riding too ?

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Bunker Spreckles commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 2:18pm

Who is the LeBa area lady killer? Rastovich, it has been noted, has fairly strongly distanced himself from the Krypt Surf Mat team. Carcuss, who it appears hails from Liverpool in Western Sydney, needs to be booted from the area and any remnants of his failed empire banished as well. Perhaps the crew at Cactus South Australia can be given the role of rehabilitation.

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Tony Jack Clancy commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 1:13pm

Velocity Johno, pretty right….good thinking…. and the great white’s could decide “Hey…let’s go for a Bight of Chinese...” I thought Freeride’s point on violence interesting and encouraging…all the same the stories of long terms of violence arising here might cause some ‘yes..ok…but’. I think I read the term ‘outboarding’ somewhere. With pointed nose on a lightweight board that catapult is quite a deadly weapon.

“The case of the German Surfer” …my experiences in Europe and here also is that Germans, differently from for example, French people, speak English very well…Both learn it at school…but German people are far more ready to engage in English conversation. A shrug, vague look and “Keine Ahnung wovon du redest“ before repeating the aggressive performance is just very convenient evasion from your German provocateur.

On the migration, matter, that’s an interesting subject, my comment perhaps out of place here … I’d like to agree but for me, globalisation is underway beyond redemption other than global uprisings and perhaps taking up Plato’s outlook of forcing the virtuous to become leaders‘.

Planned and controlled by his bizarre and despotic control of his descendents, Mayer Amschel Bauer around 1740 organised for one (ultimately) world order under Central Banker Government control. Recent events have created an unstoppable cultural sabotage aided by fecundity.

Bauer's family bankers facilitated the French‚ revolution‘ , profited from all wars from Waterloo onwards, funded the Russian Revolution ($47.5M) and organised the execution of the 'nobles‘.

My view is that there’s a vast gap between tolerating respectfully the good points of other cultures where such exist perhaps adapting some aspects and vilifying one’s national culture by statute and spin, forcing the proponents of established culture to accept change without complaint.

That said, Australians have a particularly bad name in disrespecting other cultures through dress and atitude. They encourage, not overcome, the religious mania undermining freedom and safety. They make us vunerable to retaliation through their arrogant disrespect. The rise and rise of police state, surveillance and military forelock-tugging to politicians has been greatly aided by initiating fear. It would be good if surfing became a haven from it.

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memlasurf commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 2:01pm

I'm with Freeride, the Asians nations are some of the most racist on earth, and Africa they don't even talk the just shoot and chop away. We are pretty good from my observations, sure the Bali Bogans are bad but they live on the Kuta - Legian strip for the most part and are relatively harmless (and do spend). Talk about localism try surfing Bigin, some of the locals there are psychos.

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freeride76 commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 1:27pm

You're tripping mate.

Go travel around the world, by any measure available including any subjective one, Australia is the most successful multi-cultural nation on Earth.

This nonsense that we have a "particularly bad name in disrespecting other cultures through dress and atitude" or some kind of extra aggro attitude is fcuking nonsense.

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amb commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 2:01pm

FR i think you might missed his point, i agree with yours "Australia is the most successful multi-cultural nation on Earth." But travelling outside Australia we do have a "bad name in disrespecting other cultures through dress and atitude" I have cringed many times from what i have seen, and some friends have even made out they wernt Australian it was so embarrassing. Having said that im sure we are not the only country that does this.

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freeride76 commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 2:22pm

whereabouts Amb?

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amb commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 2:28pm

Indo, Japan, Fiji, England

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freeride76 commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 2:56pm

fair enough.

Only time I've ever seen it is when the Bali bogans are running amok.
otherwise, traveled all over the world and never really seen or felt any of it.

Most of the Aussies I've seen/met travelling OS are pretty low key, underground, casual.
Obviously mass market tourism is a whole different kettle of fish.

England eh? Fcuking hell, you've obviously never stood outside English pubs/clubs after closing time.

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brutus commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 3:25pm

Worst I have seen was in France , still probably some of the most obnoxious behavior I have witnessed thinking the French couldn't speak english........

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 3:47pm

I’ve got some great French mates but......the French can be utter fuckwits.

Worst single person I’ve ever shared a lineup with was a young French sponsorsed cock .

What about the signs in the shops in the Northwest a few years ago saying NO FRENCH because they had a culture of shoplifting ?

Or what about the French crew in the Northwest last year who refused to pay for camp fees because they said there wasn’t enough facilities to justify them . They got kicked out then snuck back in , acting like fuckwits in the lineup. I worded them up and then I ran into them at another break and they bragged about how they were free camping on the station and treating it like a garbage tip because that’s all Australians deserved. Not bad for a nation who witnessed tens of thousands of young Aussies dying whilst defending their homeland. Takes a special breed to thank us in such a manner.

PS The bogans in Kuta are nothing compared to the Yuppies in Seminyak who want to live in a tourist enclave. The Balinese love drinking, they understand crew on the piss but the people who only shop in sir conditioning do their heads in.

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birdhouse commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 8:41pm

Blowin, Israelis are having a good dig of upstaging the French. Recently returned from a Maldives trip and whenever the Israelis turned up the session turned into shit. They couldn't surf and had no regard for anyone else in the line up or the local Maldivian surfers. I cringed and felt embarrassed being a visitor. Hope they don't discover Oz.

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quokka commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 3:33pm

Been to Oktoberfest?...in my experience the only ones worse than the Aussies were the Kiwi's.

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ringmaster commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 3:46pm

I was at Octoberfest in 91'. Italian males worst with daylight 2nd. Constantly harassing chicks in big intimidating groups. Some poor bloke that paid out on a bunch of these scum for hassling his chick ended up stabbed to death outside one of the beer halls.

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 10:22pm

Australians at Pamplona during the running of the bulls were a disgrace. A Spanish person took me to the square where shit-faced Australians were jumping off a five meter fountain hoping their shit-faced mates caught them before they hit the concrete. I lasted 5 seconds and turned my back of that national embarrassment.

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markno commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 1:37pm

I have seen him drop in and abuse surfers at Lennox- then wants to fight them. 100 out glad I don't surf anymore

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Bunker Spreckles commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 4:51pm

Remember when Nat copped a well overdue whacking at Angourie then played the victim role? I am sure Carcuss has the same modus operandi. Lie, deceit , manipulate, get thumped then play 'poor' me. Carcuss has now lost credibility and will be an easy target. Police will not be overly keen to listen to entertain him.

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 10:14pm

Nat's splat, and that's that.

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Tony Jack Clancy commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 4:31pm

The relevant matter is not creation of statute by Jodie Cooper but an aspect of unlawful behaviour already covered by existing law. Thus the Magisterial delay owing to lack of precedent. Her requirement Thompson be assessed 'psychologically' is to establish rationally sentencing as punishment and 'deterrence' with a fair chance of change in behaviour.

Rising to FR's bait (chuckles) … I've never 'tripped' FR and have no fantasy-time nor respect for the drug culture inculcation, but have-been exposed to the relentless pain it causes.

That aside, as a 'non-tripper' whether or not someone measures us as a 'multicultural' success, depends on what they think is a success. What we lose and have lost in the era of 'virtuous-pomposity' promenade within the 'sharing generation' is another matter which could be argued/debated for lengthy periods, unresolved.

What I said on culture is from my observations research experience and involvement. Travelling, I've lived in France , as an example for three years, speak their language and not English when there, other than to Brits who claim they 'can't learn French'. I merge into the French culture, lifestyle and arts. On projects in Vanuatu speaking French not Bislama; Sth. Korea and Vietnam for example where I spoke neither language.

With inadequate (technical) translator my focus was on devising a management system which would work, a real test in project management of around 120 workers. In achieving that rapidly on a fast- track project I had to learn and take on their culture and be temporarily accepted for it but with my authority able to achieve the contract-specification goals. I was in their country, that was the terminal fact, not a multi-cultural delusional fairy-tale. There's a vast gap between tolerating other cultures (even in surfing) and becoming a stranger in one's own country. The idealism is being used as a political tool in globalisation and I am very contra-'globalisation'.

One Vietnamese accountant, spoke English but the workers had no identifiable organisation management including hers, other than corporate owners. She, of Nth Vietnamese origin, is a university graduate who speaks also French and Chinese. I have over the years since completing the project, received corporate requests via her to help the organisation present English language commentaries and to design aspects of corporate systems which will appeal to potential clients of "the West" . I do that F.O.C. out of respect for their asking me. That they are dedicated Communists raises no cultural paranoia in me.

France was one of the most successful mergers of race into its own culture long before we were founded. It faces the same problems we do in cultural stability but is proud beyond political fawning and jingoism of what it has profoundly achieved and wants to hold.

The confrontation of touring Australians to other cultures within alien place of origin is an insensitivity which isn't news, it's been happening for many decades notably since 1960 I think. I can mention Bali, wider Asia, Sth. Africa, and the Middle East as examples where some Australian 'semi- nudity' and insensitive behaviour is confronting to "religion"-based cultures seeking independence from the 'hedonistic Western influence'.

I was raised a very well informed catholic but realised eventually that all religions, with exceptions in decent individuals and groups are political tools used to implement war and obedience rather than be soundly fair, just and virtuous.

Anyway, I want to leave it there, having explained my position in reply, and apologise for introducing a distraction.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 4:51pm

Distraction?

The devil is in the details, the allure is in the digressions.

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amb commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 4:58pm

Some interesting points TJC , i head to Europe for the 1st time very soon so i will be keen to make my own observations. Yes one of my cringes is the semi-nudity (eg Billibong Girls ect) in some of these places, i have no problems at all with it in Australia, but to a degree i think "when in Rome", but thats just me.

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loungelizard commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 10:26am

"well informed catholic" spouting global jewish conspiracy theories (see earlier post) on a surf website. tosser

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udo commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 4:58pm

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rondoggie commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 6:34pm

mmm anyone want to by my surf matt?

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Tony Jack Clancy commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 7:03pm

I agree amb….but remember they are not doing it to attract men, only for themselves. Overseas they are themselves the excuse men use for 'taking liberties. It can get serious, I recall having to tell my wife that her 20 year old brother and his girlfriend (during Hawke's reign)...quite ordinary people...had been garrotted in Bulgaria.., presumably to steal his camera...or maybe just for the fun of it.

blowin….you are a treasure!!….(chuckles)

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DBEARINDARE commented Tuesday, 23 Jul 2019 at 10:57pm

Hey Mark! You sound like a real hand crank who should have the snot punched out you, for this and all the other times you have been a toss.

To Jodie, Fuck him over with a victim compensation claim. Get every cent you can out of the prick. The government pays you then chases him for the money back. Your neck must still hurt? Right?

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jimmy.long commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 8:42am

C””t wouldn’t have made it out of the water alive at Margs.
Can’t believe one of the boys at Lennox didn’t sort this prick on the spot.

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seal commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 10:06am

He’s always hidden behind the law with the old “ I’ll see you in court” if you threatened or belted him but he fucked up this time and someone’s done it to him.
A few of the crew have ended up on assault charges after run ins with the prick, now the shoes on the other foot!

I think the whole incident has opened a can of worms, with bad behaviour on both parties parts being taken out of the water and into the courts.

Don’t get me wrong.....he should never have assaulted a woman and deserves what he got but she is not without blame with her attitude in the surf.

Hopefully things can settle down at the Point but I’m not sure and might have paved the way for a bigger shit fight to come ??

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Laurie McGinness commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 11:17am

Violence solves everything eh Jimmy? There's a shitload of history to disprove that theory.

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brutus commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 11:32am

Lozza , mankinds history disproves violence (or Threat of) .........the whole history of mankind is violence solves everything !

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 12:03pm

I’ve had a very similar experience as to what happened to Jodie Cooper , a local acting the goose and then trying to get violent when I’d had enough of his disrespect. He tried to get me underwater out in the lineup but it didn’t work out so well for him.

A few locals have approached me and told me that he’s got history of violence and threatening violence and that they were stoked that he’d met his comeuppance. Apparently he’s a quieter bloke now.

Does violence work ? Yes , it’s very effective. But it also creates all kinds of unpleasant ripples throughout the lives of people, not just those involved directly either, but also witnesses , the families of those involved and crew who are expected to take sides in the dispute.

The coppers were aware of what went down and wanted no part of it.

Right or wrong, nature of which we are indelibly a part of , deplores weakness and a show of strength is sometimes the only course of action particularly if your health and safety are in jeopardy.

Could be the worse advice you’ve ever received, particularly in this day and age of drug- induced mindless violence, but if you see someone in strife then lend support. It might be you needing a hand one day. No way this dog should’ve been able to happily walk away after assaulting a woman in the surf amongst spectators.

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bluediamond commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 6:45pm

Very well said and very sound advice Blowin

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Laurie McGinness commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 12:16pm

....... brutus, sounds like we disagree about the meaning of the word "solve". History demonstrates that violence escalates and whatever the initial problem was, it is soon dwarfed by the problems spawned by the violence. No doubt some people get an ego boost from punching someone out and walk away thinking they have solved the problem. The reality is that in personal interactions violence progresses towards the more vulnerable. Those punching someone usually choose their targets carefully. The victims then express their violence on those weaker than them, very often their wives and children. Domestic violence.

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 12:40pm

What a load of garbage.

According to your theory , Jodie Cooper will now go home and beat up her partner.

In this world Laurie - the real world - people can defend themselves from the fuckwits of the world without becoming monsters themselves. Defending yourself from physical harm isn’t an “ ego boost “ , it’s called self preservation.

And yes , it does solve the problem.

As for “ violence progresses to the more vulnerable “ , what do you base this little day dream on ? No facts to support it at all.

Here’s the truth in this world ....https://youtu.be/32iCWzpDpKs

You’re not a member of the Film Actors Guild are you Laurie ?

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Laurie McGinness commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 1:07pm

Same old bullshit from the same old troll.
It's called "displaced aggression". Probably 20,000 research papers published on it. Psychology 101 ......... but totally disproved by one Blowhard!
Keep at it mate, I always get a laugh. So certain and so ignorant!

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 1:40pm

Nah , you’re right.

Jodie is probably head butting a disabled school kid as I type this, due to her uncontrollable infection with the violence virus.

People defending themselves become violent predators and people who dispute utter bullshit are trolls. Everyone who went to war came home and shot their families. Andy King is now a violent psychopath after getting attacked on the streets of Cronulla years ago . Monica Seles has since stabbed dozens of strangers and all of the victims of terrorism who survived have gone on murderous rampages.

Either that or you are talking shit.....with certainty.

Goodbye , Laurie. I’ll leave you alone before you start forensically inspecting my posts for something you can take to Slater and Gordon , even though we are just two men on equal terms trading opinions on the internet and neither of us has suffered any harm whatsoever.

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Laurie McGinness commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 1:39pm

Yeh OK just stop trolling me every time I post.

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 1:58pm

All I know is that I’ve been involved in violence in the surf a couple of times and I’ve yet to come home and kick the dog over it.

I actually know more than a few people who’ve been involved in all manner of violent encounters and they manage without perpetuating the experience.

Psychology is not a science with definitive outcomes. Reality is impossible to argue against.

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brutus commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 2:14pm

then again Lozza , some people puff up and try to bluff , and then meet their end when the bluff is called......in most of the violence I have witnessed , bluffs get called weak people get hurt.....because the weakness was already there when push comes to shove....they get shoved , and need to shove someone weaker.......but their character trait was already there!

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Laurie McGinness commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 2:46pm

Yeh we have all seen that brutus but my point is that once violence starts there is the risk of it flowing down the line to someone weaker or their wife and children.

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brutus commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 3:38pm

yes agree , that's a trait of mankind .....the weak get weaker the strong get stronger!

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dellabeach commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 11:36am

I had a very different experience with Mr Thompson during that swell.
As FR mentioned, it was one of the better swells of a very poor winter. It was always going to attract a lot of attention. I paddled out over those 3 days with the full knowledge that it was going to be very busy and the fact that it was inconsistent, wasn't going to help. Patience and a relaxed attitude were going to be essential in order to enjoy the session.
I was fortunate enough to get a few waves. Couple ended with sections I couldn't get around, one or two getting burned with drop-ins, some nice ones to the shed...and one with Mark.
I had caught a nice set wave and as I negotiated the human obstacle course scrambling for the shoulder, Mark caught the same wave. It wasn't a tight situation, there was plenty of room on the face and he quickly accelerated his mat so that he was a fair way out in front of me. That craft, at top speed, is a sight to behold. Almost like a hovercraft, barely skimming the surface. I hooted encouragement and we shared that wave to the end. We paddled back out exchanging small talk.
Not sure if this happened before or after Jodie' incident.

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 11:39am

For sure he would have been just as stoked if you’d “ shared” his wave.

Not.

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Tony Jack Clancy commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 12:41pm

One of the anecdotes of a Barrister (The Barrister's World Morrison(1992)) was that the judiciary isn't always convinced by knowledge of the law but more so by presentation. There's long been circumspection by the Judiciary towards the Magistracy on interpretation. If as I read somewhere along the line the accused was represented before a Magistrate by 2 Barristers and therefore a solicitor would have been briefing them. There's some real money involved there. The impulsive thought for some attending on the day might be 'he's in real trouble if he needs two Barristers".. and he was.

When facts are disputed the Magistrate is likely to look at presentation as well as precedent. I have not researched the matter as I have with other comments but only read media and the various contributions. I read one posting, possibly in Beach Grit claiming Jodie Cooper had attacked Thompson and was herself a chronic 'drop-in' offender . If that did happen then the Magistrate would look at the level of response to it by the defendant and if such was proven, notionally apply a % of blame to each party,

Thompson claimed self-defence but his response was excessive and very dangerous. It would not just be 'self defence-dismissed' . It seems the defendant has a history of violence and reacting with level-1 thinking. The Magistrate has in my view made the right moves in taking time to research for appropriate precedent, have him examined and decide on penalty within the law which she thinks will bring the best result. Imprisonment purpose is to punish, assist and remove a person from the public arena to give the community a sense of safety.

The 'justice system' is about consequence and what is commonly called 'seeking justice' is actually 'seeking revenge'. Whatever the outcome is from the Court it should rest with that outcome. No person whatever their crime should be punished by other prisoners.
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What still bothers me most is his dunking Jodie Cooper until she went limp?....What had she not applied that guile?....Was it a deliberate attempt at homicide? or was he out of control owing to what surely must be a need for anger management as one contributor suggested. The same excess was evident in the bashing of Nat Young (of who's arrogant behaviour I was well aware in the 60's/70's.)..for smacking a 16 year old's face for some perceived breach of etiquette. I have no idea of the conversation.

I suppose one might argue that the surfing community let Thompson get away with his actions to the point he felt unrestricted. That's not to impugn it is the community's fault for not taking action years ago yet the community might now take part in his rehabilitation by giving some approval and praise if he tries to change his ways.

Although some might gag on the thought, perhaps once this is 'over' and Thompson is back in circulation, if he is trying to control himself and settle down, that complimenting him for his efforts to improve may be best for all. That doesn't mean being fooled and manipulated, it means acting with maturity and giving good example to him even though he is in a situation he made for himself. What do others think?

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Vic Local commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 1:34pm

If Carcass gets a suspended sentence the Lennox surfers could basically drop in on the bloke with 100% immunity. What’s he going to do? Punch on and end up in jail. I’m up in Byron for work 3 times in the next 6 weeks. Looking forward to mercilessly burning the women basher if he avoids jail over this.

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stunet commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 2:42pm

Agree with this. If he's not baited by some he'll be a doormat for others. I mean, who's he gonna challenge for a wave? Everyone's seen him, knows what he looks like, knows the story, and everyone knows he's one incident away from serious trouble.

I'd say this story has a way to go yet.

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jez commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 1:48pm

That behaviour is really out of character for Tim Winton...

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stunet commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 2:38pm

Ha ha ha

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Vic Local commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 6:29pm

You won the internet today Jez.

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 3:04pm

You know what ?

I’m out of this conversation as of now.

Despite the modern despise of bullying, it seems to be the done thing to all pile on when someone miscues. And while I’d agree that this instance is more than a “ miscue “ and it actually seems to be a series of stupidity and outright inappropriate behaviour perpetuated over a long period of time , you’ve got to wonder about the net result from hundreds of strangers publicly declaring how much of a despicable prick you are .

How would everyone react if this bloke necked himself as a result of this Two Minutes Of Hate that we are all enjoying ?

Crew write off corporal punishment as a perpetuator of the cycle of violence, but is this any better ?

Ive been assaulted in the water before . I know how traumatic it is. Just when you think that it’s over , the memories flood into your mind and you’re back to dealing with it all over again.

But.....

I think it would be much , much worse to be subject to a focused public flaying over such an incident. Magistrates really should let the victims determine the punishment and the public respect the outcome. The future of this bloke’s life is going to be defined by what he’s done and that’s not inappropriate. What is inappropriate is the public glee in kicking a bloke who is unconscious on the ground.

Give him a chance to realise the error of his ways . If he still refuses to understand then it’s game on.

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Laurie McGinness commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 3:11pm

Agree

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Clive Rodell commented Thursday, 25 Jul 2019 at 8:13am

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brutus commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 3:47pm

blowin the fact is that Jodie is really struggling , having been assaulted , and had to feign death to escape Carkarse.........you said it yourself that you have been traumatised after being assaulted......have ya thought about her current situation , a very goood friend of mine has spoken to her....she's really rattled , probably PTSD etc......so if Carkarse might be traumatised by his actions , any thought for the victim?

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Surfalot67 commented Thursday, 25 Jul 2019 at 5:29pm

Blowin - I don't disagree with your sentiment but this f*wit has already had many years to "realise the error of his ways". He won't. He's a serial offender going by the thread here, and the cops too would be well over his bullshit as he seems to be the first to call in the law if it suits his game of the day. I'm not saying the lynch mob should grab the rope, but how many chances does this moron get? Lets hope the beak has an appropriate view of community standards and after a suitable custodial sentence, this knob gets a 5 year ban from Byron to Evans. Job done. I'd love to see him float out on his mat at Snapper or Burleigh and try the same shit - he's been the king bully in a relatively small sandpit for a long time.

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ddrew commented Friday, 26 Jul 2019 at 10:25am

No one is particularly villain-ising him.
He got found guilty for being a thug and bully.
That’s good - that’s just The criminal justice system operating correctly.
Hopefully he learns from it and moves on.
And more generally hopefully it’ll sends a signal to the other moronic bully’s in any lineup (usually locals). I thought people grew out of being bullies at about 6 years old - odd.
Ah well.

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 4:37pm

Yes , of course.

What is there about what I’ve said that makes you think otherwise ?

You think that Carcass necking himself will fix Ms Cooper ? You think that my not contributing to an online pile on will make it easier for Carcass to walk the streets amongst his community after what he’s been convicted of ?

Sorry , Brutus, but I’m not a fan of the social media Two Minutes Of Hate. Doesn’t mean I don’t have a private opinion of the bloke or what he’s done and that I wouldn’t be sharing it with you in private .

Not too big on the mob lynch concept. It happened, it was newsworthy, crew agreed it was hectic. That’s enough for me. I just believe it’s time to leave the good burghers of Leba to sort their own shit out.

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Clive Rodell commented Thursday, 25 Jul 2019 at 8:11am

You bring up some great points 'Blowin'. It is dangerous to see hate mail like this. You notice I use my real name, I think if that were an Internet rule, there wouldn't be as many comments!
We don't know all the circumstances exactly. We don't know, for instance, if 'Carcass' has a disability, so that's why he rides the craft he has chosen. Imagine if that is so, he'd be really close to 'jumping'.
He is a local however, and the paddle up the inside habits of a new generation will certainly prompt me to drop in, if repeatedly done by someone. 'Man on the inside' is only relevant if you didn't push into the queue!
Localism is also a debatable issue, I do feel the water was a safer place, when it existed more. People should be pulled into line, I'm not saying violently, but political correctness might deter us from giving someone 'useful advice'.
Jodie is tenacious in the water, or used to be. She was one of Australia's top surfers for years and did Australia proud. As a female surfer, she came up through the school of hard knocks. Where's the respect for that? So whatever happened, I think Carcass falls foul of that.
I would say for those who'd like to comment, please state your real name. That way, you're not hiding behind the 'saftey' of a pseudonym and, if you think your input is on point, you'll stand behind your comments.

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brutus commented Thursday, 25 Jul 2019 at 10:15am

I get where you are coming from , but ol CC has had pretty bad bullying form , but if you have a crack back at him , verbal/physically , he threatens you with legal action , so his actions in the water have been on display for decades , culminating in the assault on Jodie.....
So I think there have been a lot of stories told here , and we are wiser for the info...
I think there are lot of older contributors here who have come from when there was the idea of Men protecting women , the era of Chivalry........now we have entered a different era , women are equal with men ......so what does that mean?
imagine if Jody succumbs to her ordeal and necks herself?

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udo commented Wednesday, 24 Jul 2019 at 5:27pm

Jodi has older brothers ? 2 is that right Brutus ?

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brutus commented Thursday, 25 Jul 2019 at 10:16am

not sure , but will find out .....

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prothero commented Thursday, 25 Jul 2019 at 10:15pm

yeh Jodie has a couple of Bros Udo.....I knew one of them, he was a bouncer at the Floreat Hotel and he got me a job there, good bloke and built like a brick shithouse.

Prothero

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udo commented Friday, 26 Jul 2019 at 11:23am

A couple of brothers one a Bouncer built like a brick shithouse but neither paid visit Carcass and give him a touch up for near drowning his sister..Fark i know i would have..

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Tony Jack Clancy commented Thursday, 25 Jul 2019 at 8:07am

I am speaking of my personal view in bringing an appeal court comment into the forum. My opinion has no influence in the Judicial system nor should it here in any legal formula. What may be considered “obiter-dicta” may, I thought, have general relevance if thinking of Thompson’s actions amongst surfers as a community or even family.

Supreme Court case of criminal appeal (Nean vR (2019) NSWCCA 16412 July 2019, orders 24 July 2019) at (72). In commenting on the original sentencing by Justice McLennan, the appeal judges quoted his observations at (54) derived from Munda v Western Australia [2013] HCA 38 02 October 2013 (249 CLR 600; 87 ALJR 1035; 302 ALR 207; 229 A Crim R 354

(54) It may be argued that general deterrence has little rational claim upon the sentencing discretion in relation to crimes which are not premeditated. That argument has special force where prolonged and widespread social disadvantage has produced communities so demoralised or alienated that it is unreasonable to expect the conduct of individuals within those communities to be controlled by rational calculation of the consequences of misconduct. In such cases it may be said that heavy sentences are likely to be of little utility in reducing the general incidence of crimes, especially crimes of passion. That having been said, there are three points to be made in response. First, the proper role of the criminal law is not limited to the utilitarian value of general deterrence. The criminal law is more than a mode of social engineering which operates by providing disincentives directed to reducing unacceptably deviant behaviour within the community. To view the criminal law exclusively, or even principally, as a mechanism for the regulation of the risks of deviant behaviour is to fail to recognise the long-standing obligation of the state to vindicate the dignity of each victim of violence, to express the community's disapproval of that offending, and to afford such protection as can be afforded by the state to the vulnerable against repetition of violence. Further, one of the historical functions of the criminal law has been to discourage victims and their friends and families from resorting to self-help, and the consequent escalation of violent vendettas between members of the community.

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spuddyjack commented Thursday, 25 Jul 2019 at 1:16pm

Hi Jodie, hope you can recover fully from this horrendous experience.

This Thomson dude is clearly a malevolent, sociopathic prick. How about a complete ban against him at Lennox for a start. There are too many of these "entitled" and out of control Neanderthals in surfing . . . bad, bad karma.

Stay salty

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DBEARINDARE commented Thursday, 25 Jul 2019 at 6:15pm

I disagree with you on this one Blowin. Sorry.
By all accounts , here we a have a grown man who by the sounds of things has been terrorising people who have all right to be enjoying a pastime they have right too, for nearly two decades. If he cops flack for it on a forum like this one , he should take heed and wake up to the fact that this is more than a dig at him. This is people finding an opportunity to display their resentment at not only his actions, but the actions of all people like him.
Yes it may be unfortunate that he is copping the brunt of it, but it sounds as though he has no concerns for the others he torments, and the devastation it may leave on them. Some may say even well deserved by the man.
No. Fight fire with fire , I say.
And its got to hurt less than the punch in the face they may well rather deliver to him.

DBEARINDARE

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adsi commented Thursday, 25 Jul 2019 at 6:27pm

Can't bloody WAIT to drop in on him next time I spot him out there hahahaha ohhhhh it's gonna be a glorious burn.

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freeride76 commented Thursday, 25 Jul 2019 at 7:05pm

you probably won't mate.
no disrespect but talking tough on the internet and actually doing something in real life are two very different things.

And what are you going to do if things escalate?

And you end up throwing the first punch, and some old biddy walking the dog has it on her mobile phone.
Then it's you in the dock.

You think telling the magistrate that you saw it on the internet and wanted to dish out some rough justice will cut it as a defence?

Somehow you get doxxed and then you have to explain why you were stupid enough to brag about pre-meditated aggression on the internet.

and then you have to tell your wife and kids why you need to re-mortgage the house to pay for the legal bills.

yeah, but nah.

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brutus commented Friday, 26 Jul 2019 at 10:39am

bit naive FR, what happens if ol Cark drops in....and ahh the guy he drops in on has 2 mates that verify ol Cark had a swing first , so in self defense you get to beat the shit out of him...as you got back up.....the problem is that ol Cark has no crediblity with the police or the courts......that's ol Carks big new problem.....who is going to back him up now.....FR?

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freeride76 commented Friday, 26 Jul 2019 at 11:52am

yeah, no-one.

but that's different to the internet vigilantes who reckon they are going to come and teach him a lesson.

You ever been in front of a judge Brutus?

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udo commented Friday, 26 Jul 2019 at 12:08pm

Mark Thompson on surf mats and how to ride them - You Tube
Jeez he's passionate about them

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Craig commented Friday, 26 Jul 2019 at 12:06pm

Ha.

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wallpaper commented Friday, 16 Aug 2019 at 10:51pm

interesting vid that as I'd never really thought too much about surfmats. 5:14 it must be wonderful when they give you that beautiful sense of peace through your whole body

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wallpaper commented Friday, 16 Aug 2019 at 10:51pm

interesting vid that as I'd never really thought too much about surfmats. 5:14 it must be wonderful when they give you that beautiful sense of peace through your whole body

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wallpaper commented Friday, 16 Aug 2019 at 11:05pm

interesting vid that as I'd never really thought too much about surfmats. 5:14 it must be wonderful when they give you that beautiful sense of peace through your whole body

seriously

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brutus commented Friday, 26 Jul 2019 at 12:26pm

I agree FR , that keyboard vigilante's are just that....I don't really pay much attention them , but there is probably a few people out there that will start pushing ol Carky , and test his mettle.....
I was trying to count how many times I have been before a judge/magistrate , yeah been there a lot......watched police lie and make up bullshit , saw corrupt judges , even worse in the prison system...would never trust a cop , ot the system , but then that's just my personal journey !

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PCS PeterPan commented Friday, 26 Jul 2019 at 8:03am

This "Carcass" dude sounds pretty well 'respected' at Lennox.
We have some ancient guys that drop in on these airbeds too .
What we do is just ignore them , they are irrelevant weird old buggers , can hardly paddle , have dodgy hips , backs , eyesight . Its actually quite funny watching the look on their faces when you just ease your way in on a set wave they may have fluked.
AHHH , OLD MEN ON MATS , great fun !!!!!!!

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brutus commented Friday, 26 Jul 2019 at 10:34am

ahhhhh..."OLD MEN ON MATS " OMOM, maybe they are recycled hippies from the OM era?

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ddrew commented Friday, 26 Jul 2019 at 10:16am

Good job
Can’t stand thug bully locals
It was never what surfing was or is about.
To locals who bully - no one owns the sea.
fk wits ... go be a bully some place else, preferably a few hundred miles inland

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theblacksheep commented Friday, 26 Jul 2019 at 7:30pm

My wife has been copping an unusual amount of aggression in the water this year around the Tweed Coast. Blatant drop ins, abuse after such drop ins, full on swearing abuse moments. She a seriously good surfer and knows how to wait her turn. My point is who the fuck is teaching these pricks to disrespect women like this. This wouldn’t happen on land. Imagine unloading on 40yr old women like that in the supermarket. Surfing is getting so fucked.

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Paul Rooney commented Friday, 26 Jul 2019 at 8:28pm

isn't a carcass a dead meat ?

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craigini commented Friday, 26 Jul 2019 at 8:45pm

Someone gotta punch the prick out.
Piss weak.
Foxy Broadbent used to behave like this in South Aus.
Absolute ass hole at the bay especially.
Angry, drop in aggressive.
A guy knocked him out in the car park (after absurd abuse) and that was the end of it.
The FOX does not surf anymore.
Coward.
Tried to take the guy to court but so many people gave statements about the fox behaviour that he just stopped surfing and disappeared.
Fuck him!
Hassle woman, fuck off coward....
(although some chicks can try take advantage)
Mess this prick up, somebody do it!

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adam12 commented Friday, 26 Jul 2019 at 11:47pm

Yo Stu, I don't think this thread is helping anyone, you should shut it down. Inciting violence and slandering crew. It's been to Court and he's been convicted, you should leave the guy alone now. This shit can get dangerous.

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Tony Jack Clancy commented Saturday, 27 Jul 2019 at 7:25am

adam12. I think that's very mature advice. I'll add a little to your observation. To incite violence is a crime of itself; being successfully prosecuted for it is enough evidence of that crime to achieve a conviction. Outraged as one might be by the episodes of Thompson and others, the general safety of community asks us to not become like them. There seem to be 'other Mark Thompsons' perhaps not realising promoting their propensity for violence to susceptible others may generate emotional 'permission' incite crime even amongst innocent people now or at some distant time. I made a conditioning suggestion concerning Mark Thompson in which surfers as a community or family can redirect his 'prefrontal-cortex' cognition. It might also open a new set of ideas for other surfers who use intimidation and violence and recommend it to others. I recommend adam12's suggestion with some sadness it has come to the extremes which caused him to speak out.

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brutus commented Saturday, 27 Jul 2019 at 8:47am

Interesting how you and Clancy want to shut down the discussion , because of the aggro shown to carcass .
People come onto forums to discuss/shit stir/troll /vent etc.........the mods delete what's seen as inflammatory , and there will always be a few who cross the line...myself included.......
but sometimes it's about getting to the bottom of and issue and the discussion can get heated /insulting , but have a look at the spectrum of information that has been provided.....and try and take onboard what you didn't know, and would like to understand more...
This whole issue of carcass brings up a dark side of surfing , localism/violence/gender equality as we get info from all walks of life , if we don't address the problem it will just fester , and become a bigger problem in the future.
If you find the issues too dark , don't read or comment.....
just sayin....

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adam12 commented Saturday, 27 Jul 2019 at 11:11am

Brutus, Firstly 'mucho respecto' , I know who you are and am 1) quietly stoked to get a reply from you and 2) quietly shitting myself about getting into an internet beef with you,
I'm going to sound like an idiot for a second and quote a line from Big Wednesday, where the Bear told Matt Johnson "when you are wrong is when you need a friend".
This guy fucked up Big Time, his reputation is ruined and he deserves his punishment,and this discussion is important and needs to be had, but last night reading this thread I just felt sorry for him. I've made some big mistakes in life, done shit I'm not proud of and wish I could undo. I've never assaulted a woman and never would, but I've hurt people in a variety of ways over the years and I regret that, but my transgressions were never the subject of an internet forum calling for my head. I just had a vision of this guy topping himself after reading all of this and it prompted my post. As for you I hope your health is good and give my props to your son, he is doing great work, and please keep posting online, your insight and experience I think is invaluable and always enjoy your commentary, though you are an uncompromising prick, as am I.

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shoredump commented Saturday, 27 Jul 2019 at 6:36pm

I think you’re right Adam12

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brutus commented Sunday, 28 Jul 2019 at 9:54am

Hi adam12 , hey no beef here , unless someone is bullshitting about the past or I see something that should be discussed...the problem is in this current climate of instability and social upheaval , oh yeah, the times are a changin ' ,....and a lot of it's not good from my perspective , where I have seen massive change in the planets health and also watching what I consider the biggest social experiment in the history of mankind....and spiraling debt....
So when we see Carcass assault Jodie , there is the old school values you never hit a woman , but this line is now blurred as we should not consider Jodie not as a woman but just a person who surfs , and treat the incident /issue as an equal gender issue .....so on todays standards being a woman who was assaulted , we should treat women equal , as that's what they think will better their lives , but there are some downsides, eg, if a woman slaps you , you have the right to beat the shit out of her in self defense...being a woman doesn't come into it....which I respect , but still I am wired differently ......
Carcass had bad form for most of his life , I have had 2 incidents with him playing local at Burleigh and snapper , which did not end well for him.......the fact is that he will yell and scream insults /obscenities /threats at you , but if you come back at him ," he'll see you in court,"so he then gets physical with someone 1/2 his size who happens to be a woman......and here we are awaiting his sentencing , but I think you can tell there is /are still a lot of unanswered questions on how we as a society deal with people like Carcass , one of them is social media.....that's how it is now!

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Blowin commented Sunday, 28 Jul 2019 at 11:05am

Geez , he’s doing alright working the local card across the entire coast from Lennox to Burleigh.

He’d be torn during state of origin.

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brutus commented Sunday, 28 Jul 2019 at 12:31pm

haha...but he's really a Sydney western suburbs guy , they have lots of Mats out there !

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adam12 commented Sunday, 28 Jul 2019 at 11:27am

Hey Brutus, thanks for the reply. Yep, times are a changing and like you I am not comfortable with a lot of it. It is probably because I don't know the guy and have not had to put up with his shit that I can find some sympathy for his situation. I can tell you that if Jodie was one of mine and he did that then he would need witness protection. I am all for equal pay and equality, but when it comes to women and physical violence perpetrated by men, I'm old school. My post suggesting Stu shut down this thread was probably me trying to be a better version of myself, because I'm struggling with my old school values in this changing world, like a lot of us.
Anyway, I'm off to surf my favorite local reef that unfortunately has a few wannabe Carcasses of it's own so we'll see how I behave out in the line-up compared to the keyboard. Gonna come and get a protow off you soon too,. hope you are there and we can chat.

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brutus commented Sunday, 28 Jul 2019 at 12:38pm

Yeah I think a lot of people here are old school .....I really don't know any one anywhere who is comfortable with with what's happening in a more and more hypocritical world.........I'm off for the first surf in a mth.....Sunday afternoon at Winki , take the big board , just hope I can get 2 waves by myself.......hope ya have a good one!

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soggydog commented Saturday, 27 Jul 2019 at 7:29am

Street fighting is an uncontrolled situation with a lot of possible outcomes, death being one of them.
Who needs that shit in their life.

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PCS PeterPan commented Saturday, 27 Jul 2019 at 3:32pm

Any kook on whatever "surfcraft" that burns a girl/woman in the surf knows deep down
that they are getting close to bottom of the ladder of surfdom .
To think this individual purposefully holds a woman by the neck/scalp and holds her underwater , well , feck me , many thoughts come to mind and trust me they aint' good.
I reckons that this individual , if he ever surfs Lennox again , will be looking over his
shoulder more and more.
At the opposite end of this scale is a local young guy I surf with occasionally. Not only does he tear the bag out of any size wave , when the surf is accessible to the crowds(not too big) he regularly calls female surfers into waves and praises them.
Needless to say he goes good in the love stakes as well.

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dimdim commented Saturday, 27 Jul 2019 at 4:18pm

Northern Starr 25 March 2019
"Terrifying Surf Rage Attack On North Coast Beach"
It is worth reading about this incident at Broken Head for a different perspective.

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frog commented Tuesday, 30 Jul 2019 at 12:15pm

In events leading to a fight 99 % of the time it takes two to tango. Someone provoked or pushed a boundary a little too far and someone responded. They are easily avoided but easy to start or escalate on both sides. A drop in is a provocation, but an escalation from that point is generally in the hands of the "victim". A reputation for aggression is a provocation. It may increase your wave count but one day it will lead to a response from another party.... or their mates .... or in Bali from a lot of their mates. Be careful what you wish for.

Surfing is an extremely unusual situation in modern life where something valuable is competed for in a no set rules survival of the fittest dynamic. Try to think of any comparable situation outside of surfing - hard to do.

Imagine the drama on a ski field if you were about to hop off the top of the tow and someone blocks your path forcing you on a round trip to the bottom to end up on the back of the queue. That happens all the time in surfing.

Surfing is amazingly civilised considering how frustrating crowds can be.

But that is why self control, anger management, a willingness to share a scarce resource and deal with unfairness is so important. It keeps the peace but also keeps surfing fun.

Frogg

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bipola commented Sunday, 28 Jul 2019 at 6:43pm

its doing my head in. I still cant believe this dickhead rides a blow up matt.
interesting to see what the judge decides

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jacksprat commented Monday, 29 Jul 2019 at 3:23pm

I have been following this story for since the beginning. Lots of opinion here, some interesting, some pretentious, some laughable. Mine will fall into one or all of these categories. Problem; generally speaking surfing attracts a high percentage of scammers and fuckwits (post indigenous surf culture) This was true 50 years ago and true now. The problem is whilst say 30 years ago there might have been say 20 surfers out a East Coast point break X and 5 fuckwits, now there is 100 bodies and 20 dicks. Only the volume of crowd has increased. Obviously the number of available waves per person decreases also. Legropes have stopped any type of 'natural selection' in surfing. Previously, kooks swim, surfers surf. Now, a fuckwit will get more waves that most no matter the skill level. Second point; less available waves leads to violence. Stupid (careful, intelligent people can still be stupid too) get frustrated, cannot control their anger and lash out. And violent people lash out to get more waves because they can. The few exceptional people surfing will get waves on talent - but are still subject to the whims of the violent. Everyone else in the water goes for scraps or is taking up space. Third point and most importantly. No matter how you argue it, violence is never acceptable. Whatever craft, whatever sex, wherever you live. Having said that, unfortunately self defence is. Lastly, bear in mind that all this angst is generated by rich or at least privileged people doing something that contributes little to nothing to the greater good and is probably one of the most selfish and pretentious sporting pursuits on Earth - please THINK - you are all just playing in the water.

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Blowin commented Monday, 29 Jul 2019 at 3:29pm

You think that when you go surfing you are being pretentious ?

I’ve never felt that way myself.

That must suck for you. It’s meant to be a positive experience.

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loungelizard commented Monday, 29 Jul 2019 at 4:53pm

dont think life in general has been a positive experience for jacksprat judging from that diatribe, and vice versa

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freeride76 commented Monday, 29 Jul 2019 at 7:46pm

playing , especially in the water, is one of the best things humans can do.

the old greater good argument is pretty thin imo.

not much escapes that unscathed.

couldn't fuck, eat, surf: do much of anything.

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udo commented Wednesday, 14 Aug 2019 at 10:51pm

Back to Court tomorrow for Sentencing
Section 10 - 2yrs good behaviour bond and ongoing AVO ?
Whats your call fellas ?

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shoredump commented Thursday, 15 Aug 2019 at 12:43am

He’s already been given a very long sentence out at the point by the sounds of it. That’s the beauty of karma, it works in a perfectly fair manner

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zenagain commented Thursday, 15 Aug 2019 at 9:43am

Said way back and reckon i'll stand by it-

Community Correction Order 2 yrs with a conviction recorded (because it was a woman).

Watashi wa metabo oyagi desu.

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brutus commented Thursday, 15 Aug 2019 at 12:30pm

Zen , in Australia now the law is quite clear....there are no genders , so because Jodie is a woman this will not count in sentencing......if a woman slaps you , and you hit her back and break her jaw , she gets charged with assault , and you go free because it's self defense . If you threaten someone , that is also considered assault ....same for men a women!

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freeride76 commented Thursday, 15 Aug 2019 at 12:34pm

not quite Brutus.

In fact not at all.

2 years Community Correction Order. 300 hours community service.

The judges remarks were interesting.

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brutus commented Thursday, 15 Aug 2019 at 2:56pm

so what remarks were interesting ....as TBB's link you have to have a subscription ....

The sentence is interesting and creates a precedent...any body wanting to dunk Carcass ???

what is really interesting is the reaction of the blow in locals at Lennox ......seems they accepted the behaviour , will be interesting to see if Jodies big brother might even up the score?

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manic- mat -rider commented Thursday, 15 Aug 2019 at 1:07pm

Freeride,
Has there been any signs of compunction from Carcass ?
Is he surfing the point less?
I had a lot to do with him 20 years ago and often wondered if anything could make
him change his behaviour in and out of the water.

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zenagain commented Thursday, 15 Aug 2019 at 1:14pm

I kinda knew from the beginning that he wouldn't see jail time and i've been reluctant to comment on this story up till now.

On a final note, did the judge record a conviction Freeride?

Watashi wa metabo oyagi desu.

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freeride76 commented Thursday, 15 Aug 2019 at 1:26pm

Conviction recorded.

not surfing the point less.

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ojackojacko commented Thursday, 15 Aug 2019 at 1:51pm

no custodial sentence. not surfing the point less. doesn’t sound like justice

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truebluebasher commented Thursday, 15 Aug 2019 at 2:04pm

" 1 free version" on 'Weekly Times' (Hit refresh to revisit article)
Title: "Surf Rage: Lennox man sentenced over assault on elite surfer"
tbb will try link.... ( subscribers only)
https://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/news/regional/surf-rage-lennox-man-sen...

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greyhound commented Thursday, 15 Aug 2019 at 3:44pm

Brutus.
I’ve always wondered why you aggressively grabbed that young fella by his long hair,yanked on it and whispered sweet nothings in his ear at bells a coupla years ago. In front of all the practicing pros, I guess with which, your friends with. Coupla days before the comp started. Did he drop in or were you just sussing out his shampoo brand?

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udo commented Thursday, 15 Aug 2019 at 5:45pm

Hmm Brutus did you....?

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brutus commented Friday, 16 Aug 2019 at 10:43am

haha , you see it as agressive , most here see it as fine tuning people who drop in , throw there boards( Can't duck dive) , but especially when you get a VALS whining about old cunts in the water.....on longer boards.....and he did not like my shampoo...at least he just got a lesson , as it's becoming sooo dangerous now with all the VALS who have no idea about surfing etiquette.....so lets call this one of those free educational lessons .....haha

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Patrick commented Friday, 16 Aug 2019 at 11:08am

What does VALS stand for? I haven't heard that term before.

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brutus commented Friday, 16 Aug 2019 at 12:03pm

sorry it's a term used on Beach Grit , Venerable Adult Learner Surfers....fastest growing segment of the surf market!

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simba commented Friday, 16 Aug 2019 at 6:23pm

ain't that the truth...where the fuk are they all coming from.

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greyhound commented Friday, 16 Aug 2019 at 5:43pm

Fair enough Brutus. But I hope I never get that pissed off in the surf. Never done any of those Vals things myself. Except perhaps muttering to myself about the big boards. Always felt it better to hold on to my board rather than ditch it anyway.
Generally a pretty chilled stretch to surf imo. Gave up surfing winki 10/12 years ago clause on that last comment. I’ll say hi one day!

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seeds commented Thursday, 15 Aug 2019 at 5:03pm

I wonder if any of these other additional conditions were imposed in his C.C.O. as well as the community service.

Section 89(1) provides that the court may impose additional conditions, which are identified under s 89(2) as:
(a)
a curfew condition (the specified curfew not exceeding 12 hours in any 24-hour period)
(b)
a community service work condition, not exceeding 500 hours, requiring the offender to perform community service work (although this condition cannot be imposed without first having obtained an assessment report which states the offender is suitable for such a condition): s 89(4)
(c)
a rehabilitation or treatment condition requiring the offender to participate in a rehabilitation program or to receive treatment
(d)
a condition requiring the offender to abstain from alcohol or drugs or both
(e)
a non-association condition prohibiting association with particular persons
(f)
a place restriction condition prohibiting the frequenting of or visits to a particular place or area
(g)
a supervision condition.

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freeride76 commented Thursday, 15 Aug 2019 at 5:08pm

there was no mention of any of that by the sentencing magistrate.

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seeds commented Thursday, 15 Aug 2019 at 6:27pm

That is a shame. I think point (f) would be more than appropriate and be a punishment that might hurt.

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Vic Local commented Thursday, 15 Aug 2019 at 5:50pm

I hope carcass has to clean the loos at Lennox as part of his CCO. If I saw him with a bucket and mop outside the crappers, I'd make a bit of a mess of my morning ablutions, and then tell the dog to "get cracking" with his 300 hours.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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simba commented Thursday, 15 Aug 2019 at 6:11pm

So just on the news they said it was his second offence?

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tubeshooter commented Thursday, 15 Aug 2019 at 6:18pm

He might appeal yet. His lawyer is a fucking creepy dude who rates himself.

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adam12 commented Thursday, 15 Aug 2019 at 6:27pm

As a former lawyer tubeshooter, I can say I think you just described 99% of them.

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Westofthelake commented Thursday, 15 Aug 2019 at 6:38pm

How shady was that dude!

Epitomized the worst lawyer stereo type ever.

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mr mick commented Thursday, 15 Aug 2019 at 7:01pm

Haha, shady, creepy & i'll call downright ugly, also said he's not used to losing....one would have tickets on oneself me thinks. ABC radio stated this arvo that judge gave lesser sentence because of the 'vulgar & disgusting"{ his lawyers words} words that were aimed at my client by online posts, trial by social media!

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Westofthelake commented Thursday, 15 Aug 2019 at 6:32pm

The report on the local news had the (very creepy) defence lawyer saying he was surprised to receive any sentence.
The reporter stated the defendant showed no remourse.

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Vic Local commented Thursday, 15 Aug 2019 at 6:38pm

I've said it before and it needs to be said again. Carcass will probably have a good behaviour condition on his CCO. The Lennox locals have a unique opportunity to get this idiot out of the line up for ever. Just burn the women basher mercilessly. Make every single one of his surfs on the point a misery. It's not like he can do anything about it.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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ojackojacko commented Thursday, 15 Aug 2019 at 6:52pm

“Social media abuse taken into account in sentencing of surf rage attacker at Lennox Head”
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-15/social-media-abuse-a-factor-as...

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bluediamond commented Thursday, 15 Aug 2019 at 9:00pm

What kind of judge takes social media trolling into account for their sentencing. That's one slippery slope right there. Piss weak

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brutus commented Friday, 16 Aug 2019 at 10:44am

a woman?

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tubeshooter commented Thursday, 15 Aug 2019 at 9:14pm

I personally don't think that ' extra-curial punishment' by social media can be quantified or should be considered in sentencing. What a crock of shit the system has become if you can use some internet comments as legal defence for leniency . For all we know he's loving the notoriety .

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udo commented Thursday, 15 Aug 2019 at 9:16pm

Very early on Detective Sergeant Cameron Lindsay said the charge may be upgraded to attempted Murder..WTF was that all about ?

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factotum commented Thursday, 15 Aug 2019 at 11:37pm

Um, where can you buy a surf mat? Asking for a ledge.

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GuySmiley commented Friday, 16 Aug 2019 at 9:08am

That’s what I hate about the law (and probably also most Australians) is that it’s always the minimum sentence possible because of some trumped up bullshit like I was on drugs or I was abused as a kid blah blah.

Spare me, he’s suffered from social media abuse, the poor baby.

He’s a fucking bully, sounds like he has been like that for decades and the law gets a chance to deal him a penalty and he gets a slap on the wrist.

People must be held fully responsible for their actions in law, this bully repeated pulled this women’s head under water and he gets community correction!

...... and he is still surfing Lennox! What a joke.

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brutus commented Friday, 16 Aug 2019 at 10:46am

very sad reflection on the Lennox community of surfers!

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adam12 commented Friday, 16 Aug 2019 at 11:26am

Unfortunately, Judges and Magistrates do take loss of reputation into account as a mitigating factor in sentencing decisions. I don't agree but that's what they do. It will be interesting to see if Carcass modifies his behavior after all of this. I think it would also be interesting for Freeride/ Steve to seek him out for an interview to hear his side and how he is dealing with the attacks on him online, whether he is remorseful and how he feels about surfing, and Lennox, and his damaged reputation. (But do it here, not BeachGrit)

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brutus commented Friday, 16 Aug 2019 at 11:56am

He has shown no remorse , still surfs the point with all his local mates .

the only thing he will be worried about is his mat sales.....I thinkhe is the sorta guy who loves the attention and he does show narcissistic tendencies !

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adam12 commented Friday, 16 Aug 2019 at 11:11pm

Yeah, you are probably right Brutus. Off topic, I have this book, "Who's Who in the Ancient World" that reckons Narcissus was the most misunderstood of all the ancient legends. That he was actually an identical twin and his twin sister, who he adored, died. His gazing lovingly at his reflection was him actually seeing his dead sister and he drowned trying to be closer to her. I always remember that when narcissism comes up, which is quite regularly in the Trump era.

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truebluebasher commented Friday, 16 Aug 2019 at 11:33am

Thanx for the link ojackojacko...
This week Pell,Tarrant & this Creep goaded 'Abused Social Media' to abuse justice
Judges hand down [Get out of Jail Free Decks] to V.I.P victimized tormentors.
Poor traumatized Bullies now cop shorter leases than Flybyniterz. (Get a Lawyer!)

PM : Jobz Jobz Jobz ...[Position Vacant : 'Town Bully' ] ..."You wanna have a Go Mate!"

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truebluebasher commented Friday, 16 Aug 2019 at 12:18pm

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ojackojacko commented Friday, 16 Aug 2019 at 12:54pm

I agree with the concerns of some people in this discussion regarding vilification of people online. The facts of this case warrant consideration.

1. If you are assaulted in the surf to the point of almost dying by drowning, AND there is video evidence, AND the perpetrator is found guilty, AND the perpetrator has a previous record of similar assault, you can expect to spend months going through the police and judicial systems, have your name and photograph and history and personal life published in the media, be vilified on social media by some as 'deserving it' or 'causing it', and to see the perpetrator surfing the same line up every day with a punishment of community service.

2. If you assault someone in the surf to the point where they almost die of drowning, AND there is video evidence, AND you are found guilty, AND you have been found guilty of the same offence before, you can expect to keep surfing the same line up, and to some community service.

3. If you are assaulted in the surf and the circumstances don't meet the pretty high bar set above, well good luck doing anything about it.

4. If the community is dissatisfied with this situation , they have the option to:

(a) attempt to get the laws changed by lobbying their elective representatives (who are responsible for writing and amending said laws)

(b) vilify the person on social media - a punishment for criminal behaviour according to the magistrate in this case

(c) take their chances with the assault laws as they operate (see 1, 2, and 3 above)

(d) have a whinge on Swellnet (thanks, Swellnet).

5. Options 4(b) and 4(c) are not how I want my society or my justice system to operate, which is part of the reason I find the punishment in this case really concerning. The judicial system should be the deterrent for criminal behaviour. I'm not naive enough to think that this is an isolated case, nor that someone who couldn't afford two barristers might not get such a favourable result.

My very best to Jodie Cooper.

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Craig commented Friday, 16 Aug 2019 at 1:09pm

Yeah good but worrying summary ojackojacko, what has to happen to do to get a proper deterrent...

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Blowin commented Friday, 16 Aug 2019 at 4:59pm

Wonder if this is next level localism ?

Drop in on me ....I’ll kill you in your sleep.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/they-shared-a-passion-for-trave...

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goofyfoot commented Friday, 16 Aug 2019 at 6:36pm

Really blowin. Guys just lost his life mate. Bit early to joke about it

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Blowin commented Friday, 16 Aug 2019 at 6:45pm

I’m not joking.

Strange shit happens.

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brutus commented Saturday, 17 Aug 2019 at 9:11am

C'mon blowin , you are much better than that!

to use a tragedy to try and enforce your opinion only drags you down to the gutter level...imagine if you hadn't seen the news till this morning ,and first find out thru Swellnet , that someone you have known since a kid , was actually the victim so you come onto swellnet and read your post??
I should be really angry now , but am just devastated right now especially after reading your post!

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Blowin commented Saturday, 17 Aug 2019 at 9:25am

Huh ?

I truly thought it was a possible scenario. I’m not taking the piss . There’s some weirdos out there.

Not treating the incident lightly at all. Whatever happened it’s out of control. Any reason the murdering bastard has for doing what he did isn’t going to be any better . It’s all shit .

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brutus commented Saturday, 17 Aug 2019 at 9:58am

OK so you think up a scenario that dropping in , was a possible reason , why the 23 year old local woke up the victim and his girl friend after midnite , shot the guy stole the van ........and then abandons the body in the van......FFS really blowin, have you heard of or seen this before???
Sounds like an ice attack , not a fucken drop in!

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Blowin commented Saturday, 17 Aug 2019 at 10:44am

Brutus.

Please don’t take my comment the wrong way. It’s not meant to be glib disrespectful in any way. Condolences for the loss of your friend.

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tubeshooter commented Friday, 16 Aug 2019 at 7:07pm

I could understand extra curial punishment being used when a person suffers real and measured retribution from the public , news media etc.
loss of reputation ? you need to have one to lose.
It was just his shit for brains mouth piece looking for anyway he could to soft soak a weak argument . The dickhead could have ditched his solicitor and shown a bit of remorse , and more than likely would have done better.

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timm commented Friday, 16 Aug 2019 at 7:08pm

So Mr Thompson has form (convicted a few decades ago), showed no remorse, attacked a weaker person in an extremely vulnerable environment (surf), and doesn't get jail.
Defies logic.

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udo commented Friday, 16 Aug 2019 at 7:31pm

Just saw the sentence handed to former AFL player today for bashing a taxi driver..
100 hrs community service .

inoshishi sex

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ssurf.sproull commented Monday, 19 Aug 2019 at 6:09pm

massive amount of shit talkers who have zero faults of their own, are suggesting " 'someone' should do something" and are often saying that violence is the answer to ALLEDGED violence .. and if someone ran over them on a crowded day with 100 people out after they accidently dropped in (which they never would because they are perfect ..) they would not bat an eyelid .. because much like the judge who understood everything perfectly , everyone in crowded surf is crystal clear about all their resposibilities and all the proceedures .

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Patrick commented Monday, 19 Aug 2019 at 6:40pm

Alle(d)ged violence? The papers reported he was found guilty of one count of assault.

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ssurf.sproull commented Tuesday, 20 Aug 2019 at 4:17pm

so you agree with the rest of my comment?

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Patrick commented Tuesday, 20 Aug 2019 at 5:16pm

I don't agree with the rest of your comment.

"massive amount of shit talkers who have zero faults of their own,"

Which posters in this thread said they have zero faults of their own?

"are suggesting " 'someone' should do something" and are often saying that violence is the answer to ALLEDGED violence"

People in this thread have been suggesting that someone who has repeatedly shown aggresive and violent behaviour towards others over a period of many years should have their violent behaviour curbed. To stand up to a bully often force is necessary.

" .. and if someone ran over them on a crowded day with 100 people out after they accidently dropped in (which they never would because they are perfect ..)"

I haven't seen anyone state on this thread that they are perfect.

"they would not bat an eyelid .. because much like the judge who understood everything perfectly , everyone in crowded surf is crystal clear about all their resposibilities and all the proceedures ."

I haven't seen anyone post on this thread that crowds are an excuse to be violent. Though you are implying that it is. You are in charge of your own emotions, others don't control you, no matter how many others there are.

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wallpaper commented Wednesday, 21 Aug 2019 at 12:33pm

a Johnny-boy/Carcass chimera goes into a gay bar...

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wallpaper commented Wednesday, 21 Aug 2019 at 12:35pm

...says to the bartender better make it a stiff one

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chaiguy.dean commented Thursday, 22 Aug 2019 at 9:49am

technically it's a lesbian bar .. but cocktails for sure

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factotum commented Wednesday, 4 Sep 2019 at 10:49am

US litigation culture. Another coming attraction. Oi!

https://stabmag.com/news/6-surfing-lawsuits-we-decided-to-unearth/?fbcli...