Gold Coast ship terminal back on the drawing board

Stu Nettle
Swellnet Dispatch

Older Gold Coast surfers will remember the proposal to build a marina at Kirra. If they put their mind to it they'll also remember it wasn't just a one off proposition, the plan kept re-appearing throughout the late-80s and early-90s.

A similar thing is now happening at the other end of the coast with the proposed cruise ship terminal at The Spit - the preposterous plan that just can't be killed off.

The latest blueprint for The Spit, released yesterday for public discussion, flags a cruise ship terminal as one of two options for Philip Park, an area adjacent to the Sheraton Grand Mirage Resort. The second option is simply to upgrade the parklands.

First proposed in 2015, the ship terminal proposal has undergone many changes. The latest would have a jetty extending 700 metres into the ocean offshore from Philip Park. The City of Gold Coast's reference design has a rock breakwater running parallel to the beach for approximately 300 - 400 metres creating a swell shadow in its lee.

The same design was the subject of a 2017 Four Corners program that revealed significant concerns by cruise ship operators relating to the facilities' exposure to waves and wind. A matter that's even more poignant in the wake of Tropical Cyclone Oma.

One of the Gold Coast's most prominent developers, Norm Rix, slammed the proposal telling the ABC in 2017:

"It butts onto the ocean itself, and if you're looking for a tourist attraction, well that would be the first cyclone that comes along and washes the cruise ship onto the middle of Main Beach."

At the same time, a number of Gold Coast councillors also came out against the project.

"I actually don't think it's viable or reasonable or feasible to build a 700-metre jetty out into the open ocean," Councillor Glenn Tozer said.

"I think it's almost a ridiculous proposal," Councillor Peter Young said.

"It's a mighty big ocean and it has very powerful waves. There's very many days in any year when they just will not be able to get a ship into this city."

Despite all this, the cruise ship proposal stayed on the table and yet again it's raised its ugly head.

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Nick Bone commented Monday, 11 Mar 2019 at 11:18am

Haha. Wtf

I am the bone

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surfstarved commented Monday, 11 Mar 2019 at 11:28am

(facepalm) I bet Tom Tate already has a lump in his trousers about this version of the plan. How anyone could think this was a good idea... it's just perplexing.

Humanity's capacity for stupidity knows no bounds.

Don't let the bastards grind you down

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icandig commented Monday, 11 Mar 2019 at 3:08pm

Why not build it next to the artificial reef at Palmy? You could get on the Gold Coast tram at Burleigh, run straight through the tunnel in the hill and do step offs Stab Dock style in a cyclone swell. Tom Tate...now there's a visionary.
https://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/lifestyle/travel/gold-coast-light-r...

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/palm-beach-gets-art...

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Smorto commented Monday, 11 Mar 2019 at 12:10pm

Most cruise ships on the Aus east coast went back to safe ports and cancelled cruises days before Oma hit. So I dont think that Norm's reference to a ship on the beach is realistic. There is zero chance a cruise ship will be docked at a terminal like this during a cyclone.

Maybe not in this particular configuration but I think a cruise ship idea for the GC is logical and would be good for the city. A modified Seaway could be the answer as its already man made.

Also who wants to get off a cruise ship next to the sewage plant, grain silos and containers at Luggage Point where the new Brisbane terminal is proposed.

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stunet commented Monday, 11 Mar 2019 at 12:20pm

From the official report obtained by Four Corners: "It is unlikely that cruise companies are prepared to sign up to long-term agreements to guarantee usage of the facility or that there would be sufficient desire for private investors to take patronage risk on this large-scale infrastructure."

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Smorto commented Monday, 11 Mar 2019 at 12:43pm

Yeah but is that for any terminal on the GC or just for this offshore terminal which I agree is a bad idea.

I think a terminal in the seaway (or in a newly created harbour like one of the proposals) would have no trouble securing agreements from cruise companies.

It might not be able to be a 'home' port but it would easily have enough demand form part of many East Coast cruise itineraries.

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freeride76 commented Monday, 11 Mar 2019 at 12:37pm

put it in Byron Bay.

fuck off the T section.

epic, surf and fishing spot.

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theinsider commented Monday, 11 Mar 2019 at 5:00pm

Yeah Sheep great idea, but why not put in in Lennox, closer to hme, right off the bream hole, I'll Curtis it was your idea.

yadayadayadayada

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freeride76 commented Monday, 11 Mar 2019 at 5:05pm

even better stick it just off FlatRock and build a sand bypass with it.

Seriously though, rebuilding the old Byron jetty, the second one up near Belongil would be so epic.

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Mr Underhill commented Thursday, 14 Mar 2019 at 4:55pm

Agree.

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theinsider commented Friday, 15 Mar 2019 at 9:01am

I remember talking to some old fellas once on the beach at Suffolk whilst having a fish who'd grown up in BBay during the whaling days. They regaled me with a tales of baiting up two massive shark hooks with a chunk of meat, connect my a strong rope or chain, and throwing one over each side of the jetty. Hook up a noah on each end, may the best shark win.

yadayadayadayada

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indo-dreaming commented Monday, 11 Mar 2019 at 12:48pm

So this one is actually some how on the actually main strip of beachies just up from main beach?

This kind of proposal could actually be a good thing waves wise, it could actually produce a protected little pocket or a wave or just increase the quality of beachies south or North of the harbour.

I mean FFS its the Goldie, its a city with groynes and all kind of other crap, so its not like it's in a pristine untouched piece of coast.

Edit: Okay its just a jetty, hard to imagine this could actually work as a terminal, but whats that bit at the back?...a big concrete island could actually break up swell and produce better beachies in some way.

For further reference and common sense.

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Smorto commented Monday, 11 Mar 2019 at 12:48pm

Agreed and great comment. Cant believe how many people try to suggest that the environment at The Spit and The Seaway is pristine and natural. Its all man made.

Coastal modification created D'bah, the Superbank and TOS. How do we know that this proposal wont create its own new surfable option?

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wax-on-danielson commented Monday, 11 Mar 2019 at 2:45pm

I agree. Break up the beach, make some better banks and get some party on after. Putting one in Byron is also a good idea, couldn’t make it any worse. .

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yocal commented Monday, 11 Mar 2019 at 1:30pm

https://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/logan/coomera-connector-plans-d...

Surfing seems to be more an irritation to policy makers than anything else

Go deeper Taylor, go deeper!

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warddy commented Monday, 11 Mar 2019 at 1:37pm

Its a fucking joke to think something like that is going to be a viable safe anchoring port for huge cruise liners , the Spit is the only place left on the Coast where you can still park your car and walk through a Bush track and get some relatively uncrowded waves without highrises and homes blocking your path. it is a natural land mass its just been stabilised over decades with tree planting and natural growth. The Seaway is man made.
wish the Greedy fuckers would just leave it alone.
Give em a chance and theyd build a nice big rock wall from Port Danger to Main Beach LoL Lots of safe anchoring then

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Blowin commented Monday, 11 Mar 2019 at 2:04pm

Fucked if I know why developers aren’t allowed to just build up islands along the atolls of the Great Barrier reef similar to what the Chinese have done in the South China Sea.

Let’s face it , the Goldy is done. All profit margins are getting thin. Time to open up an entirely new frontier.

It’ll save us having to worry about it all the time too. Doesn’t matter if the coral is bleached if it’s under 4000 tonnes of concrete.

That’s what the cruise ship visitors want to see. Surfer’s is yesterday’s news.

Won’t anyone think of the poor tourists getting seasick having to boat out there everyday to dive . They deserve to have their own airport built on the Swains reef.

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Smorto commented Monday, 11 Mar 2019 at 2:52pm

There was a lot of land reclamation undertaken to make The Spit what it is today. There is no way that you could call it a natural landmass that was simply stabilised by vegetation. It was much narrower, shifted all the time and had virtually no vegetation. If the reclamation hadn't happened then the mouth today could be anywhere and The Spit might not even exist.

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stunet commented Monday, 11 Mar 2019 at 2:59pm

"There is no way that you could call it a natural landmass that was simply stabilised by vegetation. "

Except for the vegetation the creation of the Spit was a natural process. The bar was moving south to north and the authorities fixed it in place with the Southport Seaway.

https://www.swellnet.com/news/swellnet-analysis/2018/01/22/south-straddie-castle-made-sand

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Smorto commented Monday, 11 Mar 2019 at 3:11pm

"Except for the vegetation the creation of the Spit was a natural process. The bar was moving south to north and the authorities fixed it in place with the Southport Seaway."

Except for the Southport trawler fishing fleet/yacht club which artificially stablilised the inside bank of the narrowest part, except for Seaworld which involved huge land reclamation and artificially stabilised its centre in the 1960s.

Nothing natural about it in the 1980s when the Seaway was built except for the northward movement, although that wasn't a sure thing and it could have easily headed back south, if not for the existing modifications that already prevented southern movement.

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stunet commented Monday, 11 Mar 2019 at 3:19pm

Plenty of natural things about it. So many that to say that there's "no way that you could call it a natural landmass" is just patently wrong.

The photo from 1930 is telling. 

Also, the south to north movement was dictated by longshore drift. It can't just start moving the other direction.

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Smorto commented Monday, 11 Mar 2019 at 3:53pm

You are quoting the start of my sentence but not the end. I am saying there is no way that its current form is simply due to stablisation from vegetation. For the reasons I said above it was already heavily modified before the planting associated with the seaway was put in place.

Of course it could be further south and longshore drift isn't the only coastal process influencing its location. If there was a channel shift on the inside Nerang River causing erosion on the inside bank combined with a large tide / swell it could easily breakthrough and move further south. The modifications which occurred on the inside of The Spit (fishing fleet and seaworld) prevented this from realistically ever happening.

So yes I agree that The Spit as a sandspit is natural but to suggest that is current state is simply a result of vegetation establishing is wrong. I also stand by my comment that if no development had occurred on its inside bank then there is a chance that a breakthrough could have occurred and it would be further south.

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Tarzan71 commented Monday, 11 Mar 2019 at 1:59pm

Put the fucking pier at Portsea, we need to break the swells up down there, haven't got the points like the goldy has. The carnage and mayhem that would ensue during our ground swells will make fantastic surfcam and Youtrube viewing

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maka2000 commented Monday, 11 Mar 2019 at 2:35pm

It's clear someone wants to use cut&kickback scheme. The idea is rediculose and failure just to think about it at the first palce, so the idea is just to get the GC budget and spend it by giving multimillion prpjects to friends' companies and at the end the build will not be accompished, idea will be dropped the project will fail but money well spent. Corruption foreva!

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Feralkook commented Monday, 11 Mar 2019 at 5:50pm

For this to be viable they need signed berthing agreements, no ships, no return. People on the coast might think they will get provisioning business from those ships but that may not be the case if they got a deal in Sydney and did not have to procure up here. Lot's of if's.

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tubeshooter commented Monday, 11 Mar 2019 at 11:16pm

I have more chance of becoming pope before that one gets through.
The Goldy is easily accessible for sea going tourists from the much safer Brisbane ports. Why the fuck would cruise companies want to sign up?
Building the pier is possible , but docking a large ship 700 metres offshore in the open ocean is going to be problematic even on small days, even with that stupid looking breakwall.
The stupidity of this idea and the fact it's even on the table is amusing to say the least ,

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truebluebasher commented Tuesday, 12 Mar 2019 at 4:22am

tbb shirtfronted the dumbass Spit Master Plan reps at the last pop ups!.
Govt repeatedly said No! Not ever a CST in SMP.
Fair that they laughed & Joked at how pathetic GCCC proposal was.
They then spent 99% of their time perfecting infrastructure to tick all CST boxes!
From No CST to front & centre & double the size with State Govt Transport onto it!
Tip! They bragged new Macintosh Park Tram Stn was to be CST staging Area. Cocky!

tbb... 'Would you mind not doing that please!'
SMP: "We spoke to Cruise ship companies to sort thru the fuck ups!"
tbb...'Is P&O sponsoring SMP & Why is our Govt massaging GCCC across the line?'
SMP:"It's not what it looks like...We just wanted to make sure it all works fine."
tbb... (blew his top)'You overstepped your brief!' 'Are you the whiteshoe brigade?'

On the South Straddie site.. I reported this supersizing to GCB end of Oct/18.......
3 months later... Jan/Feb 2019..GCB reports of a Mega CST...(That's fast here People!)
I just penned a rundown on same site...
Dumbass News titles to watch for.
1)Star Casino hi-rise was buried in SMP.
2)Star Casino begin fencing off their private surf resort.(Health & Safety compliance)
3)Entry Tower raises the bar for Cruise Ship .
4)Broadwater WR Pub Crawl have approved more bars
5)Broadwater parks were being groomed for SuperYacht polo ponies.

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Kham commented Tuesday, 12 Mar 2019 at 10:02am

I can't believe that Our government (Mr Tate) are still trying to build a terminal on the GC. With all the talk about the environment and the impact that a proposal like this one has, it is inconceivable to keep flogging this ridiculous idea.
Can’t Mr Tate think back to the destructive power the ocean can deliver and the cost to the GC during Cyclone Oma re; beach erosion and temporary removal of shark nets?
With the prediction of more severe storms, due to the already rapidly increasing effects of climate change, how many destructive seas will this ridiculous terminal endure?
Being a surfer or not, surely it’s not hard to see the negative impact this type of structure will have on our beaches; have we learnt nothing??

Kham

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truebluebasher commented Tuesday, 12 Mar 2019 at 11:59am

Great support crew! tbb goes on about whiteshoes all too often..here's why people.
Vid shows how to scam a closed shop high-rise Surf Resort in as little as 2 weeks.
Amazingly right in front of whole world (YouTube) with no questions asked...

Firstly recall all that stink over ASF/Sunland Broadwater Towers..National News!
Imagine the outcry if Local Casino Mobsters were to steal beach then ramp Hi-Rise.
tbb knew that Star Casino had been buying their time...[Line in the sand]

This article (Not Photo) gives a good idea of Star concept of beach commercialisation.
https://realestateinaustralia.com.au/duelling-gold-coast-casino-operator...

Even tbb was caught off guard.Possibly '2' proposed Hi-rises wade into the surf line.
Yes folks on the Eastern side of Oceanway on the beach blocking Surf Tower [41]...
Surfers old dunny stop [P] former Nth Main Beach Surf Spot X. (re: with the Stairs.)

Our Casino Bosses are 2 weeks away from levelling it for Surf City. [Private Resort]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDHl5hf8p-U&feature=youtu.be

Video: Seaway Tower [:40] is the backup sanction buster for 10 story Ship gauge.
Video: GC/Oz 1st Surf-Rise Tower see-[2:40-3:00]+[3:20-"3:40"]+[4:40-end]
Yes! Sand sifter tractor has to lift annoying Hi-Rise each day to hide his Ciggy Butts!

Brochure...Page 66 (Village Centre South)- [5:25] Sheraton Grand Mirage Resort.
Dunes are sensitively bulldozed for direct surf access & ground cover species fixes all.
Surf Resort is accessible via perimeter fencing cut aways or chance the bouncers arm.

You won't read about it in Gold Coast news papers for 3 months.(After rubber stamp)
Should Hi-Rise bid be exposed the Seaway Tower still stacks up rogue Ship Height...
SMP Height Gauge is vital as it wins Cruise Ship- CASA approval for Spit Aviation.

GC Surfers have just 2 weeks to stop hi-rise gaming pub's barbed wire shoreline...
Surfers Unite...This sets precedent OZ wide as in Euro/US privatized beaches.
Pavillion now extends into Burleigh Point WSR with XXXX & soon gaming licence.
GCCC pump more sand creating more XXXX Beach X'cert Licencing...
Greenmount WSL concerts + Kurrawa Aussies Home Brew Gigs both close beaches
SLSQ caved in! Now brew their own Beach beer for Beach gigs....We're losing it crew.

Fightback begins here today...thanks to swellnet & crew.
https://haveyoursay.dsdmip.qld.gov.au/the-spit

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warddy commented Wednesday, 13 Mar 2019 at 11:11pm

Yes I will definitely be putting my 1 million bobs worth ...
Been up here over 30 years and had some of my most memorable surfs up that way , especially during winter when it’s at its cleanest ..
Little bit of oasis left in Sufferers Paradise

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truebluebasher commented Thursday, 14 Mar 2019 at 3:45am

History of Moreton< > Burleigh Spit...{tbb/Exclusive to swellnet}

Quandamooka "Great Battle" of Sky / Land / Sea... (Story of original Spit breakthru).
Logan River Mouth (Juan )The Spear.
(Yowgurra)Goanna reaches for Spear (Land bank (Tree) silting River)
(Boggaban)Sparrow Hawk grabs Spear (Sky rain/Mountain River clears mouth)
Hawk flies Broadwater to spear Dolphin-Sea (Breakthru) creates Bay of Islands(Life).

1794 The Spit stretched as one from Burleigh Point to the Tip of Cape Moreton
Originally Nerang River hugged the hills to first break thru at Burleigh Headland.
Ol' timers recall the Burleigh Lagoons were still tidal up until 1933 reclamation.

Next North (reported) breakthru was at Northcliffe (Cascades-Kombumerri middens)
Directly opposite Riverbend (GC/Ned's 1st Wharf)

1770 Captain Cook recorded one Coastline from NSW to Cape Moreton (No Rivers)
This could have been a strategic ploy by the Empire.(note: Lines hide Bays)

1791 Bryants recorded the same sailing 1st into (Moreton) then named White Bay
1791-1799 Moreton Island broke away from The Spit (Few know this!)
There is account of Aborigines conversing easily across bar that record this event.
1799 Flinders sails over this newly opened Bar.{1824~Sth Entrance '79 Sth Passage}
1821 Hydery crew witness outbound breakthru from Big Swamp river (re: story)
This of course refers to Nerang River {1829~South Passage-1864 Boat Passage}
1823 Oxley sounds/sails Tweed River.
1823 Oxley sounds 2 Nerang River bars @ The Basin (Shark Bay) + The Narrows
1829 Convicts Surf out Tweed River swingset all WSR points in thru South Passage
1859 Ipswich < > Brisbane < > Nerang (River Barrow) Shipping Route
1864 Bodysurfing @ Main Beach
1877 Southport Seaway( 3 chain Rock breakwall) with dual beacons.(2nd :1985)
1877 Interstate Shipping
1889 Train/Pier/Ferry/Buggies (Integrated GC Surf Resorts).
1896 Jumpinpin Bar(Sth Straddie) opens silting Boat Passage.

1901 Inside wall to stabilize Narrows (Narrowneck)
1903 Interstate < > River Towns < > Rail Ports
1911 Boardriding ~ A. Phipps @ Main Beach
1926 Narrowneck Timber wall (Surfside)
1926 Breakthroughs at the Basin
1920's-1930's Rock/Timber walls lined Currumbin/Kirra/Coolangatta Beaches
1936 Breakthru at the Basin [re: Fed Walk / Page 27 Photo] ...also destroyed SLSC
http://federationwalk.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/FWMP-Final-Issued-7...
1937 (3 x Break-throughs) to Broadwater along Spit
1938 Shark Bay is reclaimed (Now Main Beach)
1938 Sea takes Moondarewa from South Stradbroke Island
1950's Rockwalls Coolangatta/Broadbeach/B'Heads/Currumbin
1951 Old Bar Breakthrough (Sand Miners say not our fault)
1954 (2 Breakthroughs) at Spit.
1967 (Massive Erosion ...No breakthroughs) re: Army/Car Bodies
Groynes Groynes Groynes (Another Story)
1985 2nd Rockwall Seaway (Original- re:1877)
1986 World 1st Sand By-Pass
1999 Narrowneck Reef

2001 Tweed River Sand Bypass
2017 Rainbow Dredge
2018 Narrowneck Reef Top Up!
2019 Palm Beach Reef

tbb thanks swellnet for presenting {real~deal} History of Moreton < > Burleigh Spit

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tubeshooter commented Thursday, 14 Mar 2019 at 10:49pm

This white elephant of an idea Tate keeps pushing is flawed beyond belief.
I believe the upcoming terminal in Brisbane has already snapped up a few of the major players in the cruise industry anyway. Brisbane is a much better gateway for cruise ship tourists to access SE QLD , I,m sure not every passenger wants to go to the Goldy , others may choose a day trip somewhere else in the region , or would prefer to land closer to a real International airport.
Brisbane International Cruise Terminal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48NCUItDwYg
and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWuFrc4fu3s

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dangerouskook2000 commented Friday, 15 Mar 2019 at 7:30am

a jetty and a rock wall at the end of it is better than whats been proposed in the past, at least the sand can still get thru. And we can go fishing off the jetty. Win-win

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tubeshooter commented Friday, 15 Mar 2019 at 10:26pm

If that happens I doubt you'd find a space to wet a line , especially in mackerel season.
Public access is a contentious issue. They're a long way off that.. I doubt the proposed pier would be suitable for this given the amount of infrastructure needed to service a commercial shipping terminal. I,m sure you'll find many signs and locked gates prohibiting such activities as fishing.
The GCCC claims there may be some benefit to tourists looking to take a few selfies with the concrete jungle in the background, when the boats aren't around, but I believe that's as far it extends at this stage ,, and that's only something that will come under consideration further down the track .

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tubeshooter commented Friday, 15 Mar 2019 at 10:51pm

Also , when heavy displacement vessels dock in shallow water they churn up a lot of silt, and the heritage listed Scottish Prince wreck is not far away.

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truebluebasher commented Saturday, 16 Mar 2019 at 2:09am

That's a good point tubeshooter

GCCC lost Sewerage Point + Effluent line @ Fed' Reserve into Fed' Reef?
Only fast Tracked Feds Rubber Stamping CST Green Card as #1 Eco Project

NSW health: "1 in 10 Cruise Ships harbour Norovirus" (SEQ attracts 1 ship/day)
Every 10 days GC CST Chemicals will wash contagion over Qld Marine Park Reef.
Qld fines for contaminating Marine Park Reefs range from $200K >$17m
Deliberate contamination results in confiscation of Ship. (Govt has/will prosecute)
Harbours don't have Reefs they are sick buckets...SP Reef is Protected by Feds/Qld

GCCC wish to surf fuel out seaway to ships...re: MBay- GC Marine Park Spill..Fines!
SMP has super yachts + many boats but not one fuel tank of depot is shown on Spit?

GCCC state north berth will superbank with Reef.
Entangling Seaweed/Jellies/B'bottles/Lice inviting Mega Fauna to block the Berth.
Endangered Turtles will be flooded out by floating 12 story walled Disco
1 cruise ship emits 1million cars worth of air pollution over The Spit Reserve/MB'MP

Surfers know Gold Coast recorded 15m wave height -2nd highest on E/Coast
This size is increasing more so with climate change.
So how is 2nd highest wave location the safest location for East Coast CST ?

Crowds flock the Seaway to see Waves explode 4 floors [Closed with Oma]
Way less of a target than a broad fronted CST breakwall reaching bigger swells
CST breakwall waves would easily throw half way up a ship/SAS wharfies $1m/hr
Cruise Ships boycott a port with a mere metre of swell +Double Handle Union wage.

GCCC expect severe erosion of Dunes/10 break-thrus in last century + (No plan)
GCCC Life Guards warn of mother of all rips @ Mayors Public Transit Tourist Hub.

Few locals realize that GCCC CST report rules out CBD connect Transit.(P 154)
CST is a closed shop. The city doesn't get a sniff. Only Newspaper won't tell locals?
GC Pass' get fleeced at CST duty free > Seaworld > Bon Voyage (No Metermaid Leis)

Bne CST promotes #1 E'Coast tenders to GC daily & returns all at no cost to GC.
GCCC...CST Whiteshoe Brigade Closed Shop..(All Gold Coast locals can Fuck Off!)

2018 Tourism Australia Commonwealth Games Site (How to get there?)
"The GC CST's will receive a full compliment of Cruise Ships during the Games!"

Surely makes more sense to flog off excess Games Surplus CST's to pay off fat cats.

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tubeshooter commented Saturday, 16 Mar 2019 at 11:25pm

nice work tbb,
The fuel issue will be a major one.

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John_Clark commented Sunday, 17 Mar 2019 at 3:01pm

I remember as a kid growing up on the Goldy there were plans to put a marina at Kirra. Glad that one never got off the ground.

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Gazbomb commented Sunday, 17 Mar 2019 at 5:31pm

Whether this is a good thing or not is one argument. Whether it is feasible is quite another. Technical objections raised by naysayers fly in the face of many other engineering feats which have been achieved in the past. The question is not really whether it can be done, but whether it should be, and who should pay for it. But no cost benefit analysis will convince those whose objections are founded upon other grounds.

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tubeshooter commented Sunday, 17 Mar 2019 at 10:54pm

I agree that the structural idea of the pier and wall is feasible . But the infrastructure to support a cruise ship industry isn't. Neither is the capacity for large vessels to dock safely even in minor weather conditions, without the support of port services , i.e tugs ,fuel. ,, unless you extend and pretty much enclose the proposed breakwall.

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truebluebasher commented Monday, 18 Mar 2019 at 2:18am

Brisbane CST costs $150m.(Operates 24/7 all weather)
Cruise Ships berth then all weather gangway levels seamlessly to Terminal.(No steps)
Passengers enlighten unassisted, smoother than any Oz Airport to Terminal Buses.
Buses tender Passengers to Oz #1 Cruise destination Gold Coast also onto Byron.

Gold Coast Mayor has never once paid to advertise with Ports or Cruise Companies.
GC pays nothing to anyone to receive the highest number of Oz Cruise passengers.

Never once does Gold Coast cop overspray from Princess's Puke.

The money spreads wide from Byron to Gondwana to Gowanda everyone shares.
You need only tack on your attraction to any number of tenders.(Better than perfect!)
24/7 Day & Night packages apply. Bne/Moreton Bay/Sunny Coast/Fraser Island also.

For Brisbane's part they receive little day attraction but bully the night dining trade.
Obviously because Bne CBD being closer for port departure times
Rare for operators to complain of cartels ever, as far as I know? New operators easy!

CST prefer to keep tabs on Passengers by Shuttle bookings separated from public.
The only drawback being (Private) Brisbane Ports have poor Translink Connection.
Bne River/ Moreton Bay Ferries dont link to Port of Bne nor do Buses or Trains.
Few would notice nor care too much unless Passengers wish to hook up with locals.

New Bne CST plugs into Airtrain, again favouring Gold Coast at no cost, Win! Win!
Bne CST Light Rail kneels GCCC Mayors Town Hall throne not that he'd ever notice.

As mentioned Tourism Aust oddly directed Comm' Games visitors to GC CST's?
Not only do we not have CST's but not one Cruise passenger attended the Games.

GC cruise fanatic Mayor never once plugged a Comm Games Cruise Package deal.
Nor could he link just one Boat to any venue that were mostly accessible by water.
Bne has Royal Flotillas every visit. GC has endless waterways but no Royal Barge.
Yes! Comm Games Stadium prides smack bang on our biggest river?
More pathetic is that Royal Cruises serviced the Stadium up until Tate became Mayor.

In fact all Bne Cruise ships cancelled all Gold Coast transit during Comm' Games.
GC Mayor is the first to shutdown all Gold Coast Cruising.(GC Bully won't print that?)
Ask yourself! How a Mayor can shut down our cruise industry while spruiking a CST?

[fact check] Gold Coast finest Hour was the lowest point for Cruise Visitors to GC.
Alongside Greyhound/Premier coachlines all ghosted GC like a plague.(Fact)

You can't read about pathetic home truths because none care about cruise industry.
A child can see that GCCC knows least about cruise traffic into our city..All agree!

Gold Coast CST cost $465m...(Operates at seas under 1 metre)[GC 2nd highest seas]
(That's right ! 3x the cost of Bne & that's for just 1 berth) 2nd comes online later?
Cruise Ships are wrestled against paddlepop jetty by SAS troops on 4x danger pay.

GCCC still can't decide on how to get passengers from surf lineup to CST.
tbb can lend unfathomobile but GCCC is dreaming of Buggies/Monorail/Mini buses?
Already GCCC CST needs SAS doublebackdooring barrels at 4x Bne wharfie pay?
That's just for the passengers,plain wrong to have crew paddle back out for luggage.

At this point 'might be fair to share that Port of Bne will run our port no matter what.
Should Bne no like the cut of our Jib we get the go slow from their 4 x pay wharfies.

Once at GC terminal 1st class only choose one of 8 sunday school buses (Not Joking)
GCCC have lashed out for 8 Mini bus [P] bays for 5,000 passengers. A bit squeezy?

GCCC CST Report P 154...Port o'Call > [NO-City] [NO-Airport] [NO- Hotels]
As said Newspaper can report the truth but won't upset Mayor's Whiteshoe Brigade.

GC CST passengers have no choice of GC destinations....only via Bne CST (Correct)
GC CST closed shop destroys Bne CST Gold Coast wide jobs.(That needs to be said!)
Light Rail is not for GC CST passengers (re: P154) NO integration into Public Transit!
CST is only candy to scam a free Light Rail for Star Casino beach Club/Seaworld

Locals have been mislead big time about GC CST by both GCCC Mayor & GC Bully.
Both know nothing of our #1 GC Cruise industry... Ok! So you already knew that!

Any supporting GC CST must acknowledge, that also destroys GC #1 cruise trade!
Current growing freetrade regional employment wiped out by Closed Shop Mobsters.