Buried whale carcass sparks community anger in Victoria

Joanna Crothers
Swellnet Dispatch

The Ocean Grove surfing community has expressed alarm at a decision by authorities to bury a whale carcass near a popular beach, with fears it could attract sharks to the area.

The dead whale washed up on the shore last week and on Friday it was buried at Collendina, near Point Lonsdale.

The Department of Environment, Land, Water and Planning (DELWP) posted on Facebook that the carcass was buried in accordance with the Victorian Cetacean Emergency Plan.

"Due to the advanced state of decomposition of the carcass, burial was considered a safe and effective immediate method to secure the site for public safety," DELWP posted on Facebook.

Diggers preparing to bury the dead whale on a beach at Collendina, near Point Lonsdale (Facebook: DELWP)

A petition was created on Change.org to get the department to remove the carcass, with some residents concerned the oil and smell from the carcass would leech into the ocean, increasing shark activity at the beach.

There are more than 1,500 names on the petition, which was set up on the weekend.

"A shark warning remains in place for the area. A small amount of whale blubber was removed from the beach near Collendina and monitoring will continue to occur over the coming days," the department said.

'A matter of public safety'

The president of 13th Beach Boardrider, Christian Pritchett, said club members normally use the beach right next to where the whale was buried.

He said there had been a negative reaction in the local community to the decision to bury it, "especially [for] the people who are fearful already of sharks."

"It just seems to us like a half-baked attempt. There's enough examples around the country of what not to do [when a whale washes up] and what happens when you try to bury a whale," Mr Pritchett said.

"Hundreds of people use that beach. And there's been warm days and plenty of people have been making the most of it.

The whale was buried 2.5 metres below the sand on this beach. (ABC News: Nicole Mills)"It's a surf beach and Ocean Grove is a swimming beach and it's a matter of public safety."

There have been other cases where a whale carcass was dug up again after similar concerns were raised.

Mr Pritchett said burying the carcass 2.5 metres under the sand wasn't deep enough.

"The surf on the high tide goes right up to that area, so the sand is just going to wash away. The currents and tidal flow through that area is significant," he said.

When dealing with a whale carcass, the general protocol is to drag it into the ocean, or if that's not possible, to take the carcass to landfill.

DELWP said access to the beach was difficult and the boat ramp at Ocean Grove was unsuitable for the types of vehicles needed to take the carcass to a disposal facility.

"It's just a matter of doing it once and doing it properly the first time," Mr Pritchett said.

"The longer it's there, the more it's going to decompose and the harder it's going to be to scoop it up."

Surfing Victoria and Surfing Australia decided to cancel a junior national event scheduled at Ocean Grove on the weekend, due to the concerns about increased shark activity.

Shark activity research

James Tucker is a PHD student at Southern Cross University in New South Wales who has been researching the different methods used to dispose of a whale carcass.

Mr Tucker said there is no evidence yet that burying a whale carcass increases shark activity, based on the testing of samples of ground water from the area.

"We are doing the first research really in the world about this and we're still in the process [of doing it]," he said.

"There is anecdotal evidence to suggest that shark activity is increased when carcasses are floating, but once they're moved out of the water there's really no evidence to suggest anything either way.

"Sharks are very intelligent animals so do they stick around when there's no food? There are lots of questions to be answered."

He said people should avoid swimming after heavy rain near the carcass as it may increase the rate of which leeching may occur.

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icandig commented Thursday, 22 Nov 2018 at 10:40am

How hard can it be? Hire a fishing trawler or two, scoop it up in a net and drag it out to sea. FFS. If they're worried about the cost, consider the tourist dollars leaving the place this summer in the event of an attack. The perceived risk of shark attack has already led to the cancellation of at least two surf comps that I know of. The general public know and are already avoiding swimming at the place.....Move it out to sea. Just do it.

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Nav Fox commented Thursday, 22 Nov 2018 at 2:15pm

We had the same thing happen at Yamba NSW. We called the authorities whilst the dead whale was about 200m of a local surfing point. The authorities didn't turn up until about 6 hours later. In that time a local surfer/fisho/carpenter/good fella towed the dead carcass out about 1km off the coast to avoid the huge humpback from landing on a popular beach. That same surfer/fisho/carpenter/good fella was almost fined for interfering with a dead whale (wtf?).
I was on the phone to the authorities that day, who told me they were going to tow it out to sea. The local community were all pretty happy with that call. Those same authorities then towed in to a beach about 4km from Angourie into the NP and beach the thing.
Needless to say the shark population has increased around Yamba with huge sharks being spotted in the weeks after the whale death.
Now it sucks a whale dies , but a logical thing to do would be to tow that thing out to sea and let nature do its best and give back to the eco system.

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.cylinders commented Thursday, 22 Nov 2018 at 6:51pm

Nav, if that good fella had copped a fine I reckon it'd be picked up and covered by the surf community based on all the entertainment he's given us over the years.

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Dannon commented Thursday, 22 Nov 2018 at 10:59am

F#ckTards...

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OHV500 commented Thursday, 22 Nov 2018 at 11:28am

Far-out :((
As I have a house at Lonnie and knowing the amount of people that inundate the place over summer - this was such a bad call. Looks like surfing gleneuse is out for the time being, its bloody deep off the shelf :((

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bigredcouch commented Thursday, 22 Nov 2018 at 1:06pm

Yeah wouldn't be surfing anywhere near there this summer. Or corsair. Dangerous times.

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Tubbabird commented Thursday, 22 Nov 2018 at 1:29pm

Will be nice to see a few less teabags at both said spots

UTFS

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.cylinders commented Thursday, 22 Nov 2018 at 6:52pm

Probably just as many clueless tea-bags and they'll all be wondering where the locals went...

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DavoF commented Thursday, 22 Nov 2018 at 11:46am

They did this up here on the Sunny Coast a few months back, after blood and stuff leaching out of the sand there was enough public uproar that the council then dug it up and trucked it away.

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Norm de Ploom commented Thursday, 22 Nov 2018 at 11:49am

Oil and gas deposits form by accumulation of hydrocarbon molecules that have migrated tens to hundreds of kilometres through porous source rock.
Beach sand, plus tides, plus rainfall, extremely porous.
Decomposing whale is essentially hydrocarbon molecules.
Don’t believe the Dr Buchers where they say burying a whale isnt an issue.

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Norm de Ploom commented Thursday, 22 Nov 2018 at 11:50am

Also note a whale buried at Bar Beach in 2010, was exposed during a storm swell in 2016.
Most of it intact.

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Lanky Dean commented Thursday, 22 Nov 2018 at 12:19pm

Bar beach ? Where ?

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Norm de Ploom commented Thursday, 22 Nov 2018 at 12:28pm

Buried
https://www.theherald.com.au/story/456026/dead-sperm-whale-buried-on-bar...

Exposed
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-09/img_2139.jpg/8107386

Note also the NPWS “expert” says buried whales don’t emit stink is a “myth”

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Sprout commented Thursday, 22 Nov 2018 at 11:57am

Not even pretending to bury it back in the dunes, just right there in the tidal sand hey.

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Lanky Dean commented Thursday, 22 Nov 2018 at 12:20pm

Sharkman?
What's the call?

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surfing with a spoon commented Thursday, 22 Nov 2018 at 12:42pm

Absolute arseclowns!

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3dfins commented Thursday, 22 Nov 2018 at 2:27pm

Bone heads 13Th has a Nice whale oil slick now for probably 12 months maybe more.

3DFINS

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Garryh commented Tuesday, 27 Nov 2018 at 12:05pm

Might be years?

WinterSwells

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monk commented Thursday, 22 Nov 2018 at 2:46pm

Hey all - like most of everyone on this thread I shake my head in disbelief every time this happens. If you think that this is not acceptable practice please take 1min of your life to sign the petition - sometimes these things actually work, and at least it is a practical way to channel our opinion/anger.

https://www.change.org/p/city-of-greater-geelong-remove-the-whale-carcas...

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.cylinders commented Thursday, 22 Nov 2018 at 6:55pm

If we continually petition to have carcasses removed, the costs of double handling the issue will eventually force councils to no longer see it as a viable option.

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Bnkref commented Thursday, 22 Nov 2018 at 3:24pm

Are there many surfing along the OG / 13th stretch since the whale appeared? Would have been some small fun ones this morning. I'll be staying clear for a while.

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seen commented Thursday, 22 Nov 2018 at 3:51pm

I don't understand the rationale for burying whales... is it even something that happens naturally? I can imagine that after a few months to years on the beach, the carcass would get covered by a moving dune, or be washed out into the shallows. In both instances it would have been picked clean by marine life or scavenging birds after being exposed for a long time. There is no real natural process I can think of that would dump it suddenly 3-4m below the sand. The fact that after several years that whale still had meat on it suggests they just don't decompose in the cool, wet, anaerobic deep sand. Thus, how can parks and wildlife say this is the "most natural" option? surely better to tow it out to sea and dump it over the continental shelf where the vast majority of whales die and let the well established fish/shark/bottom feeders deal with the carcass?

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Machar commented Thursday, 22 Nov 2018 at 6:43pm

The point they made about the access ramp being inadequate is a lie. Last year rehabilitation works were conducted to reinforce the dunes near the toilet block/carpark at Ocean Grove, which is suffering from heavy erosion. The sand was moved from nearby raffs beach using haul/dump trucks and diggers. Therefore I find it hard to believe that the ramp couldn't handle the relocation of a whale carcass.

This just stinks of laziness.

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truebluebasher commented Thursday, 22 Nov 2018 at 8:53pm

Let IWC be the Judge...

(a) JARPA III Scientific Whale Carcass Towies...(No shark option)
Free same day Beach Clean Up Crew (Thank You card/Sake/flowers) Sayonara!
(Note : Japanese Humane Whale option is banned by IWC)

(b) Oz Govt Jim's Whale exhumations with Lucky Dip slip slop skip...(Shark Hot Spot option)
Free roadside Dr Moreau Pick 'n' Mix Burley bags.
(Note: Oz Whale Bastardization option is 100% sanctioned by IWC)

At what depth of depravity do we sink too before we surrender ourselves to IWC...

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icandig commented Thursday, 22 Nov 2018 at 10:32pm

This one's a little cryptic for me TB, but I'll give it a try. a) Japanese whaling sarcasm?
b) Jim's franchises now extends to exhumations and bait sales? Also not sure I'm in need of a Swiss luxury watch. (I googled IWC - but assume it's International Whaling community or some such). Fact 1. Sharks eat whale. Fact 2 Whales swim in seawater and so do sharks. Assumption 1. Tow the fucking thing way out to sea and sharks and other sea creatures will eat it at sea. Assumption 2. Leave it on the beach leaching burley like a meat pie on the window sill and its an open invitation to come eat - and maybe hang about for after dinner treats. No disrespect to the fella, but I don't need a research scientist to confirm my assumptions. Just tow it and we can all get some sleep.

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truebluebasher commented Thursday, 22 Nov 2018 at 9:55pm

Please note U.S. site change.org is not recognized by any Australian Govts/councils.
change.org is wrongfully billed as a petition site. Petitions need both names & addresses.
Should a Newspaper headline the Poll numbers then Pollies may be shamed into acting.

I reckon the Pollies start Petition to gauge heat...Knowing petition gets binned! Too easy!
Just know you're signing a 'feelgood' pretend petition...Did it stop me from signing? No!

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truebluebasher commented Friday, 23 Nov 2018 at 1:48am

Tow Away option is a little tricky icandig...not impossible but OZ is way outclassed.
Read on & you'll see why Towing option is not worth promoting just yet. Soon maybe!
(1) Harness
Australia has not got one decent Whale harness between all of the states...(Pathetic it is!)
Crescent Head whale harness onto truck.Snapped the strap nearly taking a blokes head off.
There are barges & Vessels large enough to tow a Whale if we could crowd fund a harness.

(2) Towing whale out to sea
Way Way out past all those Container ships on the horizon...(Commercial Shipping Lanes)
Unions will demand their brothers tow whale beyond their work sites out of harms way.
That's when fuel becomes a major deterrent.
Note whales do bellow up for a while...
There are recorded instances of utilizing Decomposing Whale as a raft (Big balloon)
Much preferable to burning Fuel Money dragging the Worlds biggest Dead weight.

(3) Sinking a Whale
Can't just dump it! Just like a mangy dog it also finds way back home.
More cases than not the same currents return same weighted whale to same shore.
Whale can be netted with weights on each corner pinning it down to the sea floor.
Alternate weights inside whale for similar effect. Concrete blocks is one such method.

(4) Whale Surf'n'Dive Reef Break.
Decaying Whale is a drawcard to Wild kingdom which in turn attracts scientists/tourists
You could actually sell tickets & profit from such advertised event.
The Whale carcass acts as a sea buffet @ mega Fauna Reef right down to smallest critters.
Whole regional sea creatures parade over the course of 3 weeks until carcass is perished.
No other event can pull in such majesty...Dive operators could best put a value on it!
Spectator Timetables his favourite sea creatures to come into Wild Aquarium.(Elusive selfie)

Note WA has tried Towing! Just tell the kids to look away. Real seat of your pants stuff!
No! I won't laugh as they have the best Whale carcass removal guidelines...
https://www.dpaw.wa.gov.au/images/documents/conservation-management/mari...

Just don't ask where I sourced such a whale sized sea folly...Happy to share Anytime!

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truebluebasher commented Friday, 23 Nov 2018 at 9:09am

In reference to International Whaling Commission Joke. It was meant as a wake-up call.
Japanese are Whale hunters but on the flipside wouldn't dare bruise their prized catch.

When our clumsy dogooders lasso the tails off whales we paint Jap' hunters as good guys.
We great pretenders wish to save the whales with a Tinnie, Slab + a hangman's noose.

Open to interpretation IWC & nations would see clear thru Australia's Whale dedication.
Scenario IWC may consider...
Migaloo washes ashore! World of kidz tune in to see Thunderbird 2 rescue live on TV ?

(a) Sea Shepherd say Sorry! A1 Whale rescue craft now pimped out as promo pirate ship!
(b) Reporters ask how ship sized suicidal exploding whale slips thru Dutto's Border Patrol.
(c) Come the hour Japanese Whaling Hunting vessel offers to rescue Migaloo.

[factcheck] Kidz see Japanese Whale Hunters (Carefright) save Migaloo with [007] on clock!

As it turns out, it was never really a joke after all...IWC grant Japan...OZ Whale Patrol.

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icandig commented Friday, 23 Nov 2018 at 9:54am

You're a funny bugger TB. Your shorthand baffles me sometimes, but I get the gist. Thanks for the info.

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adam12 commented Friday, 23 Nov 2018 at 1:31pm

Here's how dumb I am.
I live right nearby. Heard about the whale washing up and, bored that day, went down to check it out but they'd already buried it.
Yesterday, woke up, small and clean on the beaches with a wind change on the way, no time to fuck around looking for a bank, just grab a big board and go for a paddle at Grove. Which I did and shared the very average line up with the usual mals and SUPs and a big pack of frothing grommets who for some reason were not at school but were cool because they stayed off my waves and dropped in ten at once on each other. Usual average morning at home this time of year.
Got home, turn on the computer, ten minutes later I'm reminded they buried a big humpback just up the beach. Didn't even enter my head that morning.
I think I gotta get off the hooter.

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Legrope commented Saturday, 24 Nov 2018 at 12:34am

This is what happens and this one was being removed altogether. Keeping it on the beach is madness.
https://thewest.com.au/news/sharks/rotting-50-tonne-whale-removed-from-a...

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simba commented Saturday, 24 Nov 2018 at 5:41am

Great footage Legrope in clear water shows exactly how it works.

simba

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velocityjohnno commented Saturday, 24 Nov 2018 at 4:03pm

Wow!

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Legrope commented Saturday, 24 Nov 2018 at 4:29pm

Do we need more to send the authorities more examples. Maybe this only happens to whales and sharks in Albany and nowhere else in Australia? Or it might happen everywhere? My guess is everywhere.
If councils are to bury whales on beaches, they need a disclaimer sign reading "Whale buried on this beach. Do not enter the water here for the next 100 years or risk of shark attack may occur" I don't think they'd want to start doing that as eventually no beach will be safe, so get rid of the carcasses all together. At least the one in Albany was removed so only minor leaching into the sand.

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icandig commented Sunday, 25 Nov 2018 at 9:38am

Thanks for the video....that's all the evidence I need....dig it up....dispose of it somewhere else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lS_l0mx-JQ

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icandig commented Sunday, 25 Nov 2018 at 9:49am

If you want the local council to do something about it, feel free to contact them directly.

https://www.geelongaustralia.com.au/contact/default.aspx

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truebluebasher commented Sunday, 25 Nov 2018 at 4:16pm

Expert advice icandig...How many times do you hear Council never receiving a complaint.
2,000 hits on pretend petition has council breathing easy...At very least put them on notice!

Legrope's amazing aerial footage uncovers a link to Albany's Whaling history.

Cheyne's Beach Fin Whale was too large to handle or fit as whole on available truck.
Note: Beach sites would void many larger Trucks access to Whale.
Mad Max rigs from Sand Mining days making a comeback.

Anyhow Old school observers note that the Fin Whale has been de-fleshed (Flensed).
Others who have visited Albany Whale Station know what I'm about to say.
[BREAK GLASS IN CASE OF EMERGENCY] eg: Biggest whale ever washes up on your beach!
Local Whaling display centre has a display racks of Flensing Knives ready go.
Knock the school kidz aside smash glass...Back in business...Let's do this!
[WARNING] Historic Tall Whale Tale comes with customary...
(Seachange Whale shanty)
Fetch a Backhoe me Lads & Take me to ye whale
Tonight we let it rot & tomorrows another fail
We'll skip it to the Tip so no mother's child can see.
& tell them all we saw no monster from the sea.
& tell them all we saw! (Pause!) No...Monster from the sea.
Die die die die dididie die!

From Qlderz to Viccos ...here's some nearby State Towies to petition the council.

70's image is from Albany Whale Station (Tiny vessel tows two Humpbacks > ashore)
https://images.thewest.com.au/publication/B881023535Z/1542610315200_GBB1...

WA (Perth) 2014
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2828585/Humpback-whale-carcass-...

NSW (2018 Spring)
https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/5669538/dead-whale-removed-fro...

Tas (One of a few Towies of that time)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-12-05/20111205-dead-whale-towed-to-sea/...

S.A. (2018 Winter) Tow option was considered?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-03/washed-up-whale-carcass-could-att...

Qld (2018 Spring)
https://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/whale-carcass-gone-after-wash...

X-File The EXPLODING WHALE (no secrets here!)
http://theexplodingwhale.com/more-whales/20010731-australia/

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Norm de Ploom commented Sunday, 25 Nov 2018 at 4:42pm

This is what not to do with a washed up whale carcass..

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFwxH3PPWiU

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Jof commented Sunday, 25 Nov 2018 at 5:35pm

Most feel the same on this site but pollies and retards at the NPWS dont read these comments. Write direct to public emails at the NPWS and pollie emails. Punish them untill they cant say no and ignore the safety issue they are ignorant too.

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truebluebasher commented Sunday, 25 Nov 2018 at 7:02pm

[1927] My local beach of Burleigh Heads (WSR) Locals tried every combo to rid a pet Whale.
I still don't know whether to laugh or cry...Everything that could go wrong did & more.
Old school Newspaper spares no detail transporting the reader into the thick of the action.
The more things change the more they stay the same! No point laughing as we're no better!

[WARNING] Story contains Exploding Whale + Tiger Shark Sharp Shooters.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/200056813?searchTerm=Burleigh...

Footnote: Nearby home owner sued council for a chunk of whale crashing thru her roof.

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icandig commented Sunday, 25 Nov 2018 at 10:43pm

TB - your research powers are astounding. Time prevents me from reading all of your references, but I'm truly impressed. I have to leave the whale issue for the time being (extended absence from technology), but I still urge anyone who gives a crap to contact Geelong City Council and let them they've made the wrong choice for a multitude of reasons.

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Garryh commented Tuesday, 27 Nov 2018 at 12:23pm

It seems like Australia's whale population was decimated over the 19th and 20th century...up until whaling was banned in I think 1978. Perhaps 90% or even 95% or more of the population was gone. Over the past 40 years or so the whale populations have recovered. A lot. Do you think that the following hypothesis makes sense. (a) when humans almost wiped out the whale population...we also almost wiped out whale predators/scavengers (including White Pointers, Tigers, Bull sharks and oceanic white tips) and therefore (b) now that whale populations have started to increase rapidly...then the population of those scavengers/predators is also on the rise. If this seems plausible...then the low incidence of shark attacks over the past 40 years or so might be an aberration?

WinterSwells

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brainiac commented Tuesday, 27 Nov 2018 at 5:00pm

The good news today, I have heard that whale is been dug up in the next few days and been removed to landfill. Well done everyone who helped rectify this crazy decision.

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truebluebasher commented Tuesday, 27 Nov 2018 at 10:47pm

Garryh your astute observation has been observed by experts.
Nobody whale watched thru mid-late 1900's.
Yes! Low whale population took a more narrow offshore line drawing sharks well offshore.

2000's growing numbers naturally increases inshore interaction of all mega fauna!

Still rare to see a large pod of Whales mostly small pods. (So not a busier Whale Hwy!)
Meaning they're presenting a wider front on north offshore migration.
Northern migration can be good as now wider tired Whales feed orcas well out to sea.

However the Southern Migration returns with more calves drawing more sharks inshore...
We note that Sharks are pushing closer by increase in calves beaching on shorelines.
Right from the word go...Fraser Island + Sunshine/Gold Coasts calf beachings now common.
The increase of Shark net entanglements again traps mostly calves backs up this case .

Whales are also detouring in our Estuaries. (Perhaps seeking protection)
Sharks are driving more calves closer inshore therefore mega fauna now lives amongst us!

Other major inshore changes Since the 1970's also attract sharks. (No! I won't go on...)
Climate change with alarming record drought draws salt & sharks 120km to up river Cities
River/Ocean front Golf Course developments now litter our coastline
Golf course run off includes Phosphorous/Blood & bone/Fish/brine. Everything Sharks love!
Nearly all recent & concurring Shark attacks tide directly with Golf Courses/Airport run off.

Yes an increase in whales/drought/Golf Courses/Airports/Buried Whales brings Shark near!
Yes! We're doing everything to attract them & nothing to deter them.

Another more modern dumbass example from my hometown Burleigh Head's Lake System
Gold Coast 'Today' is erecting Beware of Sharks Signs in Mankind's greatest Estuary.
'Tidal Gate' times the natural river flow but it was never designed to let sharks into Lake Orr.

Hi rise Jocks watch Cricket while reeling in 6ft bullsharks to undercover Carpark
https://www.smh.com.au/national/high-rise-shark-hunter-warns-of-danger-2...

No! They can't physically swim out! Sharks truly occupy more real estate on Gold Coast.

{Royal Watchers} Prince Andrew visited this very same Lake today!
https://bond.edu.au/nz/news/59520/duke-york-arrives-bond-pitchpalace

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truebluebasher commented Tuesday, 27 Nov 2018 at 11:01pm

Continuing on with this very same odd Right Royal Surf association...
Surf fans might recall that the local shaper Nev Hyman is the reigning Pitch Palace Champ!

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udo commented Thursday, 29 Nov 2018 at 4:26pm

Exhumation underway..!

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goofyfoot commented Thursday, 29 Nov 2018 at 4:34pm

Will they ever learn?!

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truebluebasher commented Thursday, 29 Nov 2018 at 8:59pm

Kiwis also cook them in the Hangi Pit... I somehow think our 'Lonnie' is a bit well done!
Maori tradition to eat beached whales. (True) In NZ some beach whales are still eaten.

1960's NZ Govt banned Maori access to Beached Whales.
1998 The Maori were given the rights to once again harvest Whale Carcasses.
500 Beached Whales have been resourced since inception in 1998.

Whales came from Forest God Tane who gifted them to Ocean God Tangaroa (Our Huey)
A beached whale completes it's journey by returning home as a godsend.
Maoris then gift the Whale it's 2nd life.
Thanking Tangaroa for the gift...is followed by naming ceremony...re: 'Lonnie'

NZ Govt are more than happy as local crew go to town resourcing their treasured gift.

Yes! Exactly...We're all thinking the same thing...No shortage of Maoris in Australia!
Sort out a deal with Salt Water crew and we flip this 100% to the good.
Saltwater Cultural centres can again be constructed in traditional Whale bone frame work.
Maori can utilize the whale bone jewelry & both source their Whalebone weapons as such.
Fisheries can determine the eating quality of each whale. Maori's will sort it either way.
This returns 100% fishing rights to Indigenous population for the good of all.
Neither Saltwater Crew or The Maori wish to kill Whales...give them 1st crack at the carcass!

For more detail & pics...
Do yourselves a favour & read this Good News Article on Whales...(Say Wot !!!) It's sick bro!

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/04/new-zealand-maori-beached-wh...

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truebluebasher commented Friday, 30 Nov 2018 at 8:06am

Devil lies in the detail.
To insure the 'Mana' is kept intact. Maoris might actually refuse any 3rd party assist.
The burial process of separating the flesh from bone extracting the oil needs examination.
With 500 examples one should be able to establish if breakdown attracts sharks or not.

Intervention by way of monitoring & (Mana) offsite return to earth option may work!
As for burying of the Whale bones...That's out of the question in CBD beach landscapes
If 'Mana' or 'Saltwater' adapted to modern times & urban settings we may have a solution.

Realistically it still requires a humane process of Whale removal by indigenous if need be.
Maori or Saltwater or Seachange...Mana whale flensing ceremony is frontline here & now!

A bottle of sake smashes into carcass. Mayor hams it up with a Ribboned Flensing knife.
We may not be ready for the Haka but I think we're turning Japanese! I really think so!

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truebluebasher commented Friday, 30 Nov 2018 at 8:52am

Right! Kids are off to school...
When we were kidz nearly every house had cats had kittens.
Those kittens never saw the light of day...
Hessian sack was dumped in the river. Sorry folks! That's how it was...(No RSPCA)

All now beg for the Whales to be dumped at sea either dead or alive by lasso, bag no matter.
Today's Council Tip Monsters moonlight as ghoulish Whale grave robbers.(Dead set for real)
Children selfie Whale shame as we nightmare the kittens in the bag...[Save Our Souls]

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velocityjohnno commented Friday, 30 Nov 2018 at 11:19am

Again great series of posts TBB hidden in obscure language, I did not know that of Maori custom.

In response, the original and best:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdVHZwI8pcA

I'd love for Swellnet to do an article on 'wayfinding'; the method of ocean navigation used by the Polynesian peoples. I'm impressed by this as much as the celestial nav of my own ancestors, if not a bit more so. I think you can do courses in it on the North Island - they read the swell direction to point the ships iirc.

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truebluebasher commented Sunday, 2 Dec 2018 at 10:28pm

So kind ! & To be honest I never knew half either velocityjohnno.
I was searching for resourcing & eating of Whale carcasses as in Saltwater crew.
Doesn't that photo make you sit up! Not seen a whale crew look so reverent.
I got lucky...Any reader not sure? You simply must read this article on Maori Mana.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/04/new-zealand-maori-beached-wh...
Thanks for the xmas gift bro...I'll get you back!
I honestly clicked on kidz vid' at 56 hits when I saw 9 million clicks like WTF bro!
Vid must crossover into Nang Slang!

I too can't recall swellnet interstellar ocean surfing by Polynesian & Saltwater.
Celestial is a good choice of word because Moon/Planets/Clouds/Stars all featured.
Colours of stars named as berries on trees meaning a white star in sea of red.
Seasong verse then times location while repeated words chart day/night course.

I'll 2nd your motion for Stu to do your ancestors proud...be top shelf without doubt.
Noted! No doubt we'll revisit all encompassing Moana.

A teaser... I'll return link this open xmas gift to all naturally...(Stingray in the sky)
Astronomy in Tasmanian Aboriginal Culture & Heritage..2015 (Thesis) by-
Michelle Kathryn Holly Kendall Gantevoort

I touched on Navigation in comments but deals with time + more (Oz classic)
Well laid out + easy to read + revelation after revelation.. 11 out of 10...enjoy.
note: So weird that Tasmanian Aboriginal Culture is a gift that keeps on giving!
http://www.aboriginalastronomy.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Gantevo...