Covid-19, Swellnet, and the way forward

Ben Matson
Surfpolitik

To say that we’re in at time of unprecedented upheaval seems kinda irrelevant now.

I really wanted to avoid being yet another business making public statements about Covid-19. Over the last two weeks my inbox has filled with generic messages from almost every company I’ve ever transacted with, telling me to wash my hands and practise social distancing. You don’t need to hear that from me.

But my hand has been forced, because Swellnet is now in an unusual position where we’re receiving a deluge of feedback - through our website comments, email forms and social media channels - about how we should be running our business.

The problem is that everyone has a completely different view.

Some surfers have congratulated us for keeping the website live. Many people who access Swellnet don’t always have any intention of visiting the beach, but they like to stay connected to the ocean - albeit digitally - and so Swellnet is a small lifeline of sanity.

On the other hand, some surfers have pinpointed our surf reports, forecasts and surfcams as being the primary source for busy beachside carparks around the country. The odd thing about these claims are that most of the crowding issues seen in mainstream media are associated with beach-goers (not surfers) and in many cases have occurred at beaches without surf (i.e. St Kilda).

To help address the issue, we placed a notice atop our Surf Reports and Forecaster Notes. In capital letters, it states: “UNLESS YOU LIVE AT THE BEACH, PLEASE DON'T TRAVEL TO SURF”.

Included below was some reasoning: “Travelling to the surf now means you're putting an unnecessary strain on the resources of small regional communities. So, please stay home.”

We thought this was a useful surfer's translation of the government’s already-clear message, which is: “Stay At Home”.

Unfortunately, this has been misinterpreted by some as being a kind of ‘Locals Only’ enforcement. It’s nothing of the sort, it’s simply reiterating the fact that by travelling away from your home - whether that's one kilometre, ten kilometres, or one hundred kilometers - you risk unknowingly transporting Covid-19 to another suburb or region which doesn’t have the same resources as bigger cities.

The same principle applies if you were thinking about travelling inland for a spot of rock-climbing or fishing. Please stay at home. Just because you don't have symptoms, it doesn't mean you aren't infected. The government's advice is to act like you DO have Covid-19, and curtail any unnecessary activities and travel.

As for the suggestion that Swellnet should shut down its services indefinitely so as to stop surfers heading to the coast: it’s a futile strategy. Our subscriber number is very low relative to the amount of surfers around the country, and any surfer hell-bent on defying the advice and getting wet will simply look for another resource to provide the information they need.

Should we also ask the BOM to cease live weather feeds, and the various government departments to switch off wave buoys? How about other websites that provide surf and beach information? 

And more importantly, at what point are services allowed to resume? We cannot underestimate how long Covid-19 is likely to influence our lives, and lifestyle. Current governmental advice suggests six months of significant disruption, some specialists suggest much longer.  

Swellnet doesn’t have a communications department, nor do we employ PR strategists. We’re just another small family-owned business trying to plot a path forward, and hoping that we don’t have to close the doors like so many others have unfortunately been forced to do.

We’re very thankful for your ongoing support. And, we are also grateful for the opportunity to provide a platform for surfers to discuss this issue.

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Detox commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 11:21am

Thank you Swellnet

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Geoffw commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 3:28pm

Thank you Swellnet for a good reply under difficult circumstances. The services you provide are not only surf reports, You provide another corridor for constant communication about surfing and everything else related to it.

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billythekid commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 8:20am

The advice from Scomo is that you're allowed out to a) shop; b)work and attend medical appointments; c) exercise. So surfing is exercise isn't it?

I live near the beach and have gotta say its been a bit less crowded which is always good. But people are still allowed to exercise if they stick to social distancing and exercise alone or wth family members so from this point of view, there's no reason why swellnet should tell people to stay at home if they dont live near the beach.

Saying stuff like this encourages a tribalistic attitude amongst people who live near the beach. And how close is "living near the beach"? I mean, can you only surf winki if you live in jan juc or does torquay count? Barwon Heads? Ocean Grove? Anglesea?
Or is what you're saying, "no out of area people, ie people from Melbourne?" It's stupid

On the other hand, lets just admit it - and the panic shoppers prove me right - when the shit hits the fan it's Everyman for himself. This idea that we're all in it together is a Disney movie fantasy.

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geek commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 9:38am

“No out of area people, ie people from Melbourne?"

100% this. Don’t live in the region, gtfo. Simple

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velocityjohnno commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 12:52pm

"there's no reason why swellnet should tell people to stay at home if they dont live near the beach."

There is a reason now, Dan Andrews has made it clear (unless Surfcoast locals have hijacked his twitter feed):

"And just so we're clear: 'getting some exercise' means going for a walk around the block or a bike ride to stretch your legs and get some fresh air.

It means staying local - not driving for miles or being out all day."

See 'Covid-19, Swellnet and the way forward' thread for the screenshot in the comments, thanks LD.

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billythekid commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 5:20pm

Oh, ok. Fair enough. I don’t check Twitter

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billythekid commented Wednesday, 1 Apr 2020 at 5:55am

Velocity read this - the legislation

Dan Andrews Twitter is not law

This is

https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/202003/Stay%20...

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stephen.allen commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 12:19pm

If one can walk to the beach then one lives near the beach. If one has to drive then that is travel and the beach is not near. Exercise may occur at a place that is near and does not involve travel.

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Reikimyo commented Friday, 3 Apr 2020 at 9:30am

I agree with Billy the Kid.
I surf at Torquay and the numbers of surfers has dropped.
I live in the surfcoast shire which is a large shire, 1,553 square kilometres. So if I'm considered a local, that's a lot of locals.

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monkeypig commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 12:40pm

The crowds in Torquay today are insane. Winki, Bells, Torquay point etc all packed. There’s no social distancing at all. Didn’t the Vic Gov say no more than 2 people congregating at a time? Why not just have premium members getting live streaming maybe?

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billythekid commented Wednesday, 1 Apr 2020 at 5:53am

Just wanted to make it clear that the legislation does not prohibit driving to the beach for a surf

Exercise is allowed and there is nothing mentioned about it being local

Dan Andrews comments on Twitter re exercising locally are not the law. They are unhelpful and irrelevant

Read the legislation yourselves at

https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/202003/Stay%20...

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stephen.allen commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 12:21pm

If one is driving to the surf then that surf is not near and therefore driving is travel.

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tango commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 10:54pm

That's about as straightforward as you can get, I reckon. Driving to Bells/Winky from Juc is one thing, but driving from Geelong or Melbourne .....FFS.

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inzider commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 11:23am

Its definitely not your fault people are selfish gits.

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Blowin commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 11:28am

Repost from another thread :

Coast is packed cause a million odd people just lost their jobs .

Swellnet isn’t “ tempting “ people to go to the beach with a surf report.

This may sound strange in the modern age but people need to put on their big boy pants and act responsibly off their own bat. Particularly as we enter a time when the focus and effect of authorities is needed elsewhere and we really need commonsense to come to the fore if we are going to pull through this little episode OK.

We all need to take personal responsibility for our actions. Do you blame women wearing a skirt for being raped ? No , of course you don’t . So don’t go shifting blame from the fucktards that are doing the wrong thing and are going to do the wrong thing anyway.....because they’re fucktards.

It’s called having an act. Get one .

In the meantime, I find the Swellnet online community extremely helpful as my physical community gets smaller. This is a good and valuable service when we are locked down and pressure makes things weird. It’s a great line of open communication where we can help each other and keep each other informed of what’s going down.

So rather than going full retard with the burning torches and pitchforks, please consider those of us who appreciate Swellnet retaining a semblance of normalcy and a connection to each other and the passion for surfing that we all share.

Cheers

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jayet-010 commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 12:16pm

South Trigg webcam ... how fuckin stupid are we ...

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Sprout commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 12:45pm

Fark!


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gunther commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 1:14pm

Wow...looks tiny too

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epictard commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 1:17pm

Was going to say that too. Went to watch the cam first to see if that screen grab was taken during a lull. That is an insane crowd for those conditions; is it always that packed when so small and seemingly closing out on most waves?

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Blowin commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 1:31pm

Perth is a cruel joke .

Waveless and barren shithole plonked on one of the best coasts in the world. Couple of nice pubs on the beach near Cottesloe though. Beaches can be pretty, but for surfing ......vomit .

https://www.swellnet.com/forums/wax/239846

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epictard commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 1:37pm

Nice piece of poetry that certainly reflects that vision perfectly. I should frequent the forums more often.

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Totom commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 9:29pm

it isn't as busy, that's about 1km stretch of beach, the perspective doesn't show that. And yes it was small, but still first (small) swell in 2 weeks I recall so yes it was popular. I was in the water too (bottom left corner, not getting barreled, that's me). there actually is a descent 10 m between everyone on that picture. plus it's been proven by my thought process, that the virus dies within 10 seconds of getting in contact with salt water (otherwise we shouldn't surf, and that's not possible) .

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jayet-010 commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 9:36pm

I'm north of you but have being getting down south regularly, until recently.

My complaint is mainly selfish as this type o f behaviour is going to ruin it for everyone.

If we all show a little bit of restraint, maybe they won't shut the beaches and we all get to keep surfing!

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indo-dreaming commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 3:16pm

OMG this is the stupidity that will get a blanket ban on surfing all around Australia.

Please Stunet give me an ignore button for Talking Turkey, Shatners Basoon, Dale Cooper, Factotum, Pupkin, and any new fake profile he decides to create.

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Legrope commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 7:49pm

Thanks Swellnet for keeping us all informed.
This is fucken bullshit. I’m not far from here but staying low at home because I’m being responsible.
Every time we see scenes like this, it adds another 3 weeks to self isolation for everyone. So now our self isolation starts again from today!
Thanks selfish cunts. Go home and stay there until this passes.
If we all follow recommendations then we could rid Australia of this in a month.
We are fighting 2 things here. Stupidity and Covid 19. Unfortunately Covid 19 is the treatable of the two.
It’s because of assholes like these is why we are going to be battling the virus all year long.

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Nickerless commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 10:29pm

the government legislation is designed to make this last for as long as possible to put less stress on our health care system by "flattening the curve". this virus won't go away in a month mate..

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milney commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 4:06pm

It would be interesting to see a camera shot from directly in front - the angle I suspect makes people closer than they otherwise were. Disclaimer - I surfed early that morning on what was initially a quiet little peak, and left when the number of people started to impact on social distancing norm. (and yep, as a Perth surfer, with travel restrictions preventing movement outside the region you live in, we now have few other options). However, it raises some questions. If we are able to continue to surf in our local area as a form of exercise, how many of us would show up at a beachie, see good surf, but choose not to surf based on the number of other people out - especially if there were not many other alternative options? I reckon plenty of us would end up being one of the heads in the picture above, and blame everyone else for it being crowded.

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john.lyons commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 1:42pm

This may be so, but what about the 2,500 sets of hands touching surfaces ????
SPREAD

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yogii commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 7:29pm

They obviously didn't check Swellnet

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shraz commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 1:49pm

whoa, that looks worse than snapper on a good day! barely a wave too.

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pigdog commented Friday, 3 Apr 2020 at 1:50pm

Haha is this real

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marcus commented Tuesday, 7 Apr 2020 at 9:21am

for the life of me i have never understood what surfers get out of surfing in those conditions.

i remember the internet when it was just for intelligent people but.

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Dowdy commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 9:15am

Bloody well said. Keep the site open, whilst I've made the decision not to surf right now as I'd need to jump in the car outta Melbourne to do so, I want this site open so I can read about and talk surf at least. Anyone who thinks this site is the causing crowds like those South Trigg scenes, or the influx of holiday home owners down both Vicco coasts is kidding themselves.

Plenty of locals will be going surfing hoping for empty line-ups, not getting them, then coming on here bitching about this website encouraging surfing. If you're so concerned, don't surf either.

Part of me thinks you're more at risk of aggressive localism surfing in these current times than you are of the virus. I hate bad vibes in the surf and I reckon there will be plenty of them around right now.

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billythekid commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 5:22pm

“Big boy pants”, “fucktards”

You got some weird shit going on

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stephen.allen commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 12:22pm

Sadly, people do blame women for their attire.

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views from the ... commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 11:30am

Just stick to ya guns fellas at Swellnet.
Don't change a thing-You do a fantastic job. Interesting and informative.
Everyone has an opinion.
Everyone will make their own decisions.
We're only human.
2020 = A crazy year.

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Wacky-willy commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 11:30am

I'm very much in the group of people that use SwellNet most of the time to stay connected to the ocean. Watching live feeds of my favourite breaks, though sometimes can have a detrimental effect, keeps me calm and sane in these times.
By shutting down SwellNet would be comparative to closing our blinds and not talking to our neighbours.
Thanks for keeping me sane SwellNet.

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Mcface commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 11:40am

Yep, keep the forecasts coming SN and respect your position.

Disappointing to see how many people are out there flaunting social distancing rules.

One other note. Health professionals generally are of the consensus that surfing is a low risk activity, at least from what I heard on ABC's corona-cast. Even our main man Dr Karl reckoned that "so long as you're not hi fiving in the lineup" it should be all good. Just keep your head down, get to the beach and do your business!

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tango commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 3:16pm

Hi Mcface, how does that sit with the Coastalwatch article yesterday from Nick Carroll interviewing Dr Karl....no mention of it being safe, just the key message: "We don't know"?

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Mcface commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 6:34pm

Hey Tango - haven't seen the CW video. I was listening to last Thursday's Triple J science hour where someone asked about it. They said while they don't know for sure, there's no evidence to suggest the virus thrives in saltwater, together with the dilution effect would therefore make it low risk - then used the quote in my above comment. Maybe he read up on it more after the episode and he changed his tune?

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epictard commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 11:42am

If people keep complaining put the daily reports and all cameras behind the pay wall. Those of us who are already subscribers will not see a difference, and those who require them for sanity sake can 'cough up' a few bucks. Sorry for that pun, it was low hanging fruit for sure.

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memlasurf commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 1:24pm

Great idea. Surfers are notorious tight arses and always will be and are non stop whingers (this will stir the nests 'no we are just very careful with how we spend our money'....read live off the smell of an oily rag so they can surf more). 'Our subscriber number is very low relative to the amount of surfers around the country,' yes you could also add 'relative to those who use the site'!

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Piers0 commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 9:29am

Here, here

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nolocal commented Wednesday, 1 Apr 2020 at 5:22pm

*hear hear

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nolocal commented Wednesday, 1 Apr 2020 at 5:25pm

sorry, I couldn't help myself. Spelling pedant on a surfing forum is a sad sad sight.

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bazattaz commented Friday, 3 Apr 2020 at 8:19am

Agree with this. I'd even be happy for the cams to get shut down for a month and I'll keep paying my subscription. We've had crowds of 60-80 on weekends here in the Illawarra (presumably folks from Sydney) and this shit is going to get us all banned from surfing.

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david.longmuir commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 11:49am

Well said mate, Your website does connect people, be it digitally to the ocean. And if you can’t surf that’s better than nothing.

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seaslug commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 11:56am

Thank you Swellnet, keep up the great work

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Bob Sacamano commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 11:59am

Cheers Ben. The further we go into isolation and social distancing the more these cams, stories and forums are required. Keep the site going as it's a vital community for many. Every muppets got their two bob opinion and you'll not please everyone. Its up to the individuals on how they manage their behaviours during these times.

Common sense ain't so common anymore right?

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brainiac commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 3:37pm

it's now called 'rare' sense

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billythekid commented Wednesday, 1 Apr 2020 at 8:46pm

Sweden isn’t doing social distancing

They’re saying bringing it on - don’t crash the economy

We should do the same

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.theaustralian.com.au/business/the-wa...

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epictard commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 10:10am

You're only kidding yourself billy.

Have you compared the results of the two methods?

Australia had our first reported case a week before Sweden.
They have less than half of our population.
We have about the same number of positive results.
They have over 10x the raw number of deaths associated to this coronavirus.
They have over 25x the number of deaths per million; Aus 0.9 vs Swe 24

Sweden's number of cases and number of deaths per day are on the increase.
59 deaths in the last 24 hours.

Australia has not seen this pattern in either positive cases or attributed deaths.

How old are you?
How old are your parents, grandparents, their friends?
Which one would you choose to die to help the economy?

Let's do it billy! YOU CAN DO IT!!!! Who do you choose?

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billythekid commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 10:36am

Okay. I’m 50.

Let me spell it out: it’s not worth bankrupting a generation of young people in order to save some (mostly) older lives

Nearly two percent of people my age will die if they get covid- so be it. Nearly twenty percent of people over 80 will die. Less than half a percent of people younger than 30 will die.

No, it’s not right that young people with young families should sacrifice their future prosperity so that (mostly) older people get to live more. A 30 year old couple with two kids and no jobs will lose the house they bought with a 5-10% deposit and most will never recover. This isn’t right.

Would you hand over the keys to your house to keep someone you don’t know alive? Be realistic- no one would.

People are being emotional and I get that. Most of us have older people we love. But we need to think of the big picture and not rush into trashing the economy for granma and grandpa.

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epictard commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 11:04am

My big question is why does it have to be 'all or nothing'?

Selective isolation of the greater at-risk demographic, whist the younger continue to work with raised consciousness of social distancing and / or remove these people completely from overlapping with the older generations could be one potential method to reduce deaths.

What we are doing now is ruining the economy and as you say removing young families from the market, and doing nothing is going to cost a LOT of lives and ruin many others.

The reality is that none of us know how this is all going to pan out.
We can watch all the models and compare how we are fair against other nations, but in the end we have a fairly young population median and are quite dispersed in comparison to anywhere in Europe.

This https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxAaO2rsdIs gives a rough and ready simulation of expected outcomes of different methods, but as stated several times in the video the reality of a virus includes many other facets that need to be taken into account.

In that video it is clear that removing those infected is the most effective way to reduce numbers of infected and deaths ... but this coronavirus is supposedly contagious well before symptoms present. It does take into account a percentage of infected not displaying any symptoms, which is pretty neat.

Further to this, people in the age range 20 - 30 have the highest infection rate of any age bracket in Australia. There is a nice logical pattern to infection rates where pre-child people are still partying and infecting everyone. The number decreases towards 40, one could assume that this is the age range where we have kids and do not go out as much or socialise as much. Then from 50 there is a steep increase in cases; possibly because children have moved out and the party is back on. 50 is the new 30.

All told, those between 35-49 are least likely to be infected or transmitters because that age group tend to isolate / social distance anyway.

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Bob Sacamano commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 11:16am

Billy - do you think young people give a fuck about the economy mate? In fact this is probably going to make home ownership a lot more affordable for us. Its you and your investments that you old farts are worried about. Not sure if your moral argument quite stacks up but hey im happy to pay your ticket to Sweden and you can roll the dice, catch it and see what your odds of survival are? While your there maybe do some study on how Sweden implemented eugenics until '75 and we can figure out how to sterilise all the idiots in Aus throwing around wild opinions?

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stephen.allen commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 12:27pm

Hey, Aus practiced eugenics for over 70 years finishing in the 1970s.

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billythekid commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 2:56pm

Bob - in a word, yes.

Young people do give a fuck about the economy if they have anything like a loan for a car/house/credit card and they just lost a job. That would be hundreds of thousands of young people.

That’s because once the free money runs out and people start defaulting on their liabilities then they will have negative credit reports which means no credit for the next five years. If they need to declare bankruptcy it’s seven. So they’re not buying anything unless they’ve saved the cash. By the time they’ve saved and are able to access credit, the economy will have improved so it will be too late for them to pick up any bargains that may happen as a result of distressed sellers/ recession etc. Theyre unable to build wealth the way my generation have

In terms of young people without liabilities, providing they can get a job and save then yes, they might be able to buy a house at a discount to today’s prices - but I doubt they will

The reserve bank isn’t printing money and buying government bonds to help you, it’s doing it to help property owners like me.

Young people like you don’t matter to the government cos you have nothing or very little to lose and so your impact on the economy is negligible.

Don’t give a fuck about the economy? Maybe now you should, because you young people will be paying back the trillion in debt the governments running up....for decades

That means taxes and less government services. That means you will be poorer.

So yeah, I don’t think it’s worth it all just to save some lives. Particularly considering most of those lives are older and have had a pretty good run.

You should be thanking me for giving a fuck about your future because scomo and the government certainly don’t. They’re doubling Centrelink payments to keep you dumb and happy so you don’t realise that it’s your economic future that’s being mortgaged to protect my assets and the lives of people (mostly) my age and older.

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redclement. commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 12:02pm

Well put. The relatively small number of surfers you reach are enlightened.

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Bnkref commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 12:07pm

Well said Ben.

Keep up the great work Swellnet team.

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blackers commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 12:23pm

Agree with all of the above, even Blowin, which would be a first! My neck of the woods was packed out yesterday, as noted in the report forum, but it was full of families, oldies and general beach users, not just surfers. The holiday homes were occupied and people spilling out everywhere. Bet most don't read Swellnet reports. As for reports encouraging surfers, there would be few regular crew who wouldn't know the wind & swell combos required and that info is easily available and often cross checked against the report anyway. Weird days indeed. Keep up the good work Ben, Stu and the team. How's about some more long play vids to while away the idle hours?

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SocialD commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 12:26pm

Thanks Ben and swellnet team, keep up the good work .

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H2O commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 12:36pm

Great website and on line community. Stay the course.

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bluediamond commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 12:54pm

Keep up the legendary work Swellnet. Your reports are also going to become historical data which alot of people will rely on for future forecasts, and fark, we all just like looking at the reports and cams because it keeps us feeling close to the pulse of the ocean. As for people thinking you're encouraging them to go to the beach, there in lays one of the biggest problems with our society...people can't take responsibility for their own actions, and are always looking for someone else to blame. They will do it no matter what, in all situations in life. Cheers for all you guys do. Much appreciated.

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Hellmanrider commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 12:54pm

I think as there’s nothing to do and shops are closed more people are re-igniting the flame of surfing. You can tell that cause the pubs and clubs are closed more people are surfing later Friday and Saturday night

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geek commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 1:14pm

And ppl are on to it much earlier, nobody is hungover!

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 1:23pm

Booooooooo.
Swellnet may not have added to the crowds much but +1 is too many.
Swellnet does make a difference re crowd size otherwise they wouldn't have a business model.
It's amazing that people who do the wrong thing (travel to surf, go to a small regional town, publish surf reports etc) always have an excuse in their pockets. Those excuses typically involve pointing the finger at someone else or arguing that I'm too small to make a difference. It's that type of thinking that has created the disastrous situation of capital cities emptying to largely virus-free zones. We (regional locals) are seriously going to pay for the tourist crowds this weekend in a few weeks.
Being a web-based business, Swellnet is in a great position to adapt. It's not like you guys work in the events or hospitality industry that has almost completely died. You could have done the right thing and provided non-surf report/forecast content and kept your business going, but nooooooooo, you took these easy option.
But hey Ben, it's not you who pays the price for the insane situation of surfers travelling for waves during the c-19 crisis. That's somebody else's problem. You didn't cause all the crowds coming to the beach, but you were part of the problem. You could have been part of the solution (like north american snow reporters) and closed the forecast notes / cams and reports down, but you put the $$$ ahead of people's health.
Very poor form.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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epictard commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 1:27pm

Vic, is there an observed report on Swellnet in your area?

If not, your argument holds no weight and the people escaping the city and going there have not done so as a result of this site.

If yes, then perhaps a better idea than blaming the site would be to silence the reporter. Someone likely knows who they are; just a quiet word to play it down dramatically. "It is 1ft wind-blown dribble. Leave it for today"

If there is a camera, and the surf is actually good, then I hold no advise but to stay home and the crowds will not affect you directly.

There are both camera and reports done in my area, but crowds don't seem to be change regardless of what is reported.

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Blowin commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 2:01pm

Vic Local....you were on here telling people it was racist to raise the alarm about the Chinese locusts descending on our medical supplies and supermarkets. Your attempt to silence this has helped enable the depletion of necessary medical supplies and groceries for our country. Making the discussion off limits due to accusations of racism allows the looting of Australia’s essential supplies to continue unabated. Its people like you mouthing off which is partly responsible for Doctors and nurses on the front lines being short of PPE and having their health jeopardised.

But now attributing Swellnet for every muppet who can’t make a correct decision ?

Perhaps you should have a minute to think about who does and doesn’t deserve to be blamed for inappropriate behaviour during this time.

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DamonS commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 7:20pm

Viclocal, you always seem unnecessarily angry at something.
Swellnet, stay the course - you can’t control others actions.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 7:28pm

That’s just my online persona. Angry online smiley in the brine.

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DamonS commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 7:44pm

Fair enough. I hope for your sake you find the reason you have to do that.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 8:06pm

Boredom and giggles mate, but I'm very serious re racism. Since this virus broke out the amount of racist crap that has no basis in fact on the web is out of control. It's only a matter of time until a serious race crime gets committed.

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DamonS commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 8:08pm

Each to their own I guess.

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memlasurf commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 1:26pm

But are you a subscriber!

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DamonS commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 2:49pm

Yes

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memlasurf commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 2:52pm

Sorry mate it was for Vic the Vociferous local.

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DamonS commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 3:01pm

I thought that may be the case, but answered anyway! I recall you’re on Mornpen? Not a bad place to isolate.

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memlasurf commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 3:04pm

Yep one of the lucky few who can walk out the back door and head to the beach

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DamonS commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 3:08pm

Same. Don’t tell anyone.

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Blackdog commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 10:39pm

Sorry you are wrong vic local. Keep the cams running Ben so we can check the "crowd factor" and make a decision with out physically going down for a look.
And by the way +1 is ok. +2 is a no no

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hilly commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 1:18pm

If you don't live there don't surf there, it's that simple. Just surfed my local beach and 80% of the crowd were not from here, qld plates everywhere.
Nothing like social distancing to bring in the horde, its actually been more crowded than it usually is

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AndyM commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 4:58pm

Exactly Hilly, as a fella out in the surf was saying, every day is like Sunday, and that border closure obviously means squat.

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kooklife commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 6:14am

And to add to that thousands of people lost their jobs last week, many of whom are surfers who now have 2 more reasons to surf......no work and increased need to protect their mental health....I'm not saying its ok, just suggesting that beaches may in fact be more crowded than usual

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Patrick0710 commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 12:03pm

You were surfing with Morrissey? Must’ve ruined his hair!

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AndyM commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 12:11pm

I'm glad someone picked up on that.

Nah he was still looking like the last of the international playboys.

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Patrick0710 commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 2:35pm

I imagine he surfs in a cardigan for some reason! And would be forever disappointed with the swell!

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thebeard commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 8:46pm

+10 that Made me chuckle :)

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sunbird commented Friday, 3 Apr 2020 at 11:56am

Smiths references on a surf site! This is why I subscribe to swellnet and dig reading the comments. And yes, I torture myself everyday looking at the reports. But it still doesn't force me to jump in the car and drive to the surf. And for you guys down there, just keep your distance ( big as possible , not f'n 2 metres - if they can spit on you, you're too close). Don't touch anything. And and do a few lame arsed poo man stance cutbacks for me. Cos it's panic on the streets here. I wonder to myself, will life ever be sane again?

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AndyM commented Friday, 3 Apr 2020 at 1:28pm

That's the thing about Morrissey, he wants the one he can't have and it's driving him mad - it's written all over his face.

But Keats and Yeats are on his side so that's some solace.

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stunet commented Friday, 3 Apr 2020 at 2:57pm

Yeah, yeah....tell us the story of your life, mate.

And if you have five seconds to spare,
then I'll tell you the story of my life.

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AndyM commented Friday, 3 Apr 2020 at 3:35pm

That joke isn't funny anymore Stu, the pain was enough to make a shy, bald Buddhist reflect and plan a mass murder

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sunbird commented Friday, 3 Apr 2020 at 4:19pm

Yeah Stu, keep it open man
What difference does it make?
What difference does it make?
It makes none
and now that it's done
their prejudice won't keep them warm tonight
But I'm still fond of you
Wo wooa

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Island Bay commented Saturday, 4 Apr 2020 at 3:37pm

Avoid him in the surf at all costs. I hear he bears more grudges than lonely high court judges.

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AndyM commented Saturday, 4 Apr 2020 at 6:40pm

But at the same time he's now a part of my mind's landscape whether I care or do not...

When I sleep he creeps into my thoughts like a bad debt that I can't pay, so I just take the easy way and give in.

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rob tas commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 1:26pm

I wouldn’t shut. But it’s not your role to arbitrate what people do. It’s not illegal to go for a surf and it will be important for people’s physical health and mental well being - in fact people are being encouraged to maintain this. It’s about physical distance, hygiene, sensible behaviour etc. we are in this together , don’t go setting up tribes . Thanks for listening. All the best to you and the family

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 1:36pm

Interesting point re people’s physical health and mental well being. The real threat to people's physical health isn't from missing a surf, it's getting this virus.
Yes people are stressed, but put yourselves in other people's shoes. There's people in regional towns with elderly parents, asthmatic kids, autistic kids, or going through chemo. Do you reckon the hordes of holiday makers descending on their town increases or decreases their already high stress levels. If you want to relieve your stress, have a wank mate, don't travel to go surfing and increase the stress levels of others.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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Blowin commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 2:06pm

But apparently it’s all good to overlook bus loads of Chinese driving from Sydney and Melbourne and roaming to every regional town in order to systematically plunder their supplies.

Because it’s a micro- aggression to name and shame the criminal fucks looting and potentially spreading virus to every nook and cranny of the state.

If a surfer comes from Melbourne to Portsea to surf solo it’s Swellnet’s fault. But if busloads of fuckers truck around the nation harvesting essential items to send to their homeland it’s not acceptable to call them out on it ?

Get fucked.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 2:24pm

"all good to overlook bus loads of Chinese driving from Sydney and Melbourne and roaming to every regional town in order to systematically plunder their supplies."
That's complete BS blow-in.
There's absolutely no evidence that has taken place. That BS started with a Ray Hadley talking shit to Peter Dutton on 2GB. So far there's been zero photos, zero footage, and zero store owners saying Chinese people have been plundering their shops. But hey. it doesn't surprise me that you are spreading this racist misinformation. You're always banging on about shutting borders. I know your type.

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Blowin commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 4:17pm

And I know your type too, A feel-good dumb cunt who sticks their head in the sand so they can claim something didn’t happen.

How about you stick your accusations in your arse ? You’ve got no clue and you’re a fucken hand brake on Australia.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/chinese-backed-company-s-mission-to-sour...

https://www.smh.com.au/national/second-developer-flies-82-tonnes-of-medi...

As for the supermarkets.....It happened in the town I’m in about three nights ago and word is that they hit most of the neighbouring towns.

They came in a couple of buses with caged box trailers in tow and were relaying shit to a mothership truck just off the highway. They turned up right on closing and went to town despite the staff telling them they were about to shut. The one security guard was afraid to manhandle them.

And strange fucks like you are the reason they can keep getting away with it. Fuck all left on the shelves here and it makes people panic. But apparently you’re not allowed to name and shame systemic and organised gangs of Chinese looters because that’s racist.....you strange fuck. You’re as bad as them because you enable them to get away clean. Media is hesitant to tell stories like that because retards like you think that if a certain culture acts badly they are immune from getting fingered because racism is the worst crime in the world.

And this is on top of them all driving hours from the nearest city to come and potentially spread the virus around the town just like you’re fucking crying about elsewhere.

Fuck you , muppet. Crew here are staring at empty shelves whilst you sit in your little inbred Victorian town and tell people it’s not happening. Fuckwit.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 4:09pm

Show us a link from a reputable news source exactly which supermarket and when this has happened. Meanwhile readers can check this story.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/21/are-busloads-of-shoppers-r...
"Guardian Australia spoke to management at Coles, Woolworths and Aldi who all said there had been no bus tours they were aware of. Coles and Woolies said they had contacted regional managers at many of the stores mentioned (in social media stories) and none could back up the reports."
Put up or shut up Blow in.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 4:22pm

Here's another one for readers.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/cameronwilson/coronavirus-racist-hoaxes-chinese...
Come on Blowin, where's your evidence of supermarkets getting cleaned out by Asian shoppers operating in teams? I'll wait.

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Blowin commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 4:24pm

It’s not in the papers you strange fuck. That’s what I just said. Coles and Woolies don’t care. They just see sales and they know if they say anything that they will get pilloried by the Chinese community. The papers also know that if they finger these locust fuckwits that any king of civil unrest could break out when they start getting confronted by angry locals.

It happened in this town....how hard is that for you to understand ?

And there’s two stories about them doing it to medical equipment...how are you going to backpedal out of that ? Photos and all.

Fucking buzzfeed .....where is the evidence it isn’t happening ? Buzzfeed is as punch drunk on PC as yourself .

You know what’s especially fucked ....that there is reports from everywhere ( guardian even acknowledges this ) but because the guardian doesn’t want it to be true it just says “ Nothing to see here “ and it’s not meant to exist.

Just like the rape gangs in England didn’t exist....

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 4:24pm

I asked you for evidence to support your claim that supermarkets were getting cleaned out by Asian shoppers operating in groups. You can't supply it, and came up with some bizarre conspiracy that the media were suppressing the story to prevent civil unrest.
You talk racist shit mate.

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Blowin commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 4:47pm

OK dickhead . This is how it works. Some fucked up culture which has gotten a foothold in a Western nation goes about its fucked up ways. The Asian grooming scandal in England is a perfect example.

Multiple people involved . Multiple instances of crime . Multiple different groups at different locations responsible.

Ugly story . The powers that be who want to push for mass immigration at any cost choose to hide the issue as it would jeopardise their plans. They then undermine any claims of bad behaviour, dispute evidence, play down the extent of the issue and then say they were doing all this with the big picture of “ preserving community harmony “ in mind.

So there’s massive, undocumented and unpunished criminal activity being undertaken by a certain cultural group and they are given a free pass. The media pretends it’s not happening and the police downplay it.

First two are wiki accounts of crimes in two different towns. Third is the usual Guardian story telling us that it’s not happening and even if it is it’s certainly not cultural......sound familiar.
Fourth is BBC saying yes , it is true , it always was and everyone lied about it for ages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_child_sex_abuse_ring

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/11/84-per-cent-of-gro...

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-45918845

And dumb cunts like you swallow the lies like goldfish eating breadcrumbs then get lippy with your accusations and claims to know what’s what even though you’ve got no clue and you’ve got no idea what’s happening in the world beyond the humpy you share with your sister / wife in bumfuck Victoria.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 4:30pm

You really are an idiot. You've spread racist bullshit about Asian shoppers stripping supermarkets. You've been asked to provide evidence to support your claim but you can't so you're playing "look over there".

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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Blowin commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 4:54pm

No.

You put up an evidence free article from the Guardian as proof it wasn’t happening. I demonstrated that the Guardian has form covering up for bad behaviour by certain cultures .

Explain the medical items being looted then .....go on fuckwit. Contradict the photos put on social media by the looters themselves . Essential medical supplies shipped back to China. Proven.

But you’re still trying to create doubt that they’re still doing it....why ?

Because you’re a brain dead fuck who gets told what to think by a manipulative media.

Guardian headline :

We’re told 84% of grooming gangs are Asian. But where’s the evidence?

From BBC :

If you believe a word Guardian says on race issues , including crime reportage , you are officially a freaking moron.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 4:59pm

So still no evidence then.
I'll wait.

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Jessiadams commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 8:04pm

I'm struggling to see the direct connection between abuse rings and scandals with 'bus loads of Chinese people stealing from regional stores'.

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memlasurf commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 1:32pm

Would be a good photo though. Chinese gangs storming the local IGA and ransacking the toilet rolls. Sounds like a movie in there somewhere by Adam Sandler.

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epictard commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 2:20pm

Here they can be seen storming a hotel in Melbourne ...
https://youtu.be/1bqBhiBAnL0?t=166

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memlasurf commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 2:22pm

Geez all over a few toilet rolls.

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Jessiadams commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 7:51pm

Crazy times

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anthony.olsen commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 2:09pm

Happy Gilmore Adam Sandler or Uncut Gems Adam Sandler?

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thebeard commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 8:53pm

So buzzfeed is now a reputable news outlet?

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WarriSymbol commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 10:11am

"There's people in regional towns with elderly parents, asthmatic kids, autistic kids, or going through chemo."
If I was a local and had one of those mentioned in my household I would not be surfing.
Too much of a risk. Even other locals could be a danger to me and by extension, my loved ones.
Also, how does one define "travelling"?
Is it walking distance? Is it within your postcode?
Is it within your council/shire/municipality boundaries?
On Phillip Island would Flynns, Right Point and Summerlands have no one out at all or can someone from Woolamai drive to those spots?
Can someone from San Remo surf Woolamai?
Should a surfer living in Cowes not be surfing at all?
Clear as mud, unless of course everyone just stays home for now.

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simsurf commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 7:40am

You've already told us above your comments are serious, so you've taken that gun in your profile photo and shot yourself in the foot.

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indo-dreaming commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 3:19pm

100% Rob, its like if you want to lose weight a realistic adjustment to diet that you can maintain for some time is much better than starving yourself for a few days.

Please Stunet give me an ignore button for Talking Turkey, Shatners Basoon, Dale Cooper, Factotum, Pupkin, and any new fake profile he decides to create.

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Oh Swell commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 1:33pm

After days of confusion the head cop in NZ has made it clear sea swimming and surfing are off limits today. Fullstop, reckon it may come your way.
I love watching the Noosa cam from over here.
Keep it up!

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More tubes please commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 1:33pm

Thanks Ben, love the website and the commentary. Going to need something to keep us distracted for the next 6 months

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GreenCT commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 1:41pm

Vic Local
So theres no such thing as taking personal responsibility for your actions ?
One part I dont agree with in what Ben said is about not driving to the beach as I am doing that daily to a relatively isolated beach a few kms away and walking, stretching and doing a few exercises.
Barely see anyone, if I do give them a wide birth, dont touch anything and go back home to isolate.
Its keeping me sane and to lose that because people just wont listen which I think is coming will be pretty fucked up.
I get the idea of not travelling longer distances and our regions are about to be locked down
That should have been done straight away, no more announcing something a few days out as the ones who feel self entitled will be rapidly packing their cars to get down to their south west holiday house as they think this doesnt apply to them.
It will be interesting to see what happens on the superwank if there is a total lock down
Please dont take the cams down as that could be great viewing watching that drama unfold.

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Daltz007 commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 1:43pm

You are doing the right thing Swellnet.
Dont feel responsible for the people not practicing the required distance laws or guidelines. Would these bozzo's not do it anyway?

For me, I get in my car, drive to a surfspot (albeit, most are quite secluded), I surf and go home (usually within a 10km area). Before I go, get a wind and swell check, from Swellnet. I am safe and so is anyone I say good morning to, wave to or the like, as everyone i see wants to stay healthy and is aware.

Conversely, the supermarket, the servo, Bunnings, pharmacy or whatever businesses left trading, are a completely different story. It's running the gauntlet as required and just a matter of time till i pick it up, like most of us.

To say Swellnet is looking at the dollars is unfair.............have you seen how much a kg of bananas is, that's profiteering.

Keep it up, you are not a contributor to the problem, but will be an even more valuable service as the noose tightens around our collective necks.

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Tim Bonython commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 1:45pm

My life would not be the same without Swellnet. I love you.

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zenagain commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 1:47pm

I echo most of the sentiments above- i like SW for the sense of community. We may not always agree but we all share a similar connection. SW is the glue that binds our little pointless fraternity.

Watashi wa metabo oyagi desu.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 1:58pm

It can still do that without the reports and forecasts.

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Sickaz commented Wednesday, 1 Apr 2020 at 11:45pm

There are these things called synoptic charts.

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Vic Local commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 9:14am

Do you reckon the average 20 year old surfer can interpret those charts?

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lostdoggy commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 2:36pm

There's plenty of time for them to learn.

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burgo commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 2:06pm

One thing that should stop (and should never happen IMHO) is the reporting from local surf reporters who actually name breaks as the go to waves for the day (you now who you are). This just concentrates surfers looking for a wave even more. Daily reports should always be about the prevailing conditions only and surfers should work out the best location for themselves.

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tango commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 3:08pm

It would be remiss of me not to back up this comment.

+1.

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Danm commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 2:09pm

Selfish muppets suggesting another business should close down due to people being irresponsible. If you still have a job be grateful and support those that are still open including this site thats keeping us sane.
I reckon most of the blowins here on the Sunshine Coast have never looked at swellnet -kooks and families with kids that snuck in before our borders shut. What sux is that those people make it hard to get an uncrowded surf in and they will put pressure on an already straining health system. Luckily there are spots to escape around here.

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Robo commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 2:11pm

What a load of BS. Some people just need to shut their mouths. Webcams can actually stop you going to check the surf and seeing anyone.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 2:14pm

The US and Canada have had a massive problem with city people descending on mountain towns to go back-country skiing. It's very similar to our situation with trailhead carparks filled with people. These towns were largely virus free until the resorts closed and people started skiing elsewhere.
While the activity of hiking up passes and skiing down is very much socially isolating, it's the surrounding activity that is causing the problem, and it's the same with surfing in Australia. City people need to be fed. They stop for coffee. They need to fuel up their cars. They hurt themselves and need medical help. They create rubbish that needs to be taken to the tips. etc etc. All of these activities help spread the virus.
The behaviour and numbers of North American skiers is very similar to the behaviour and number of surfers heading to the beaches. It's got to the stage that police are ticketing people, and snow and avalanche forecasters have stopped issuing reports. Personal responsibly isn't working. SN should stop implicitly encouraging people to travel to surf locations by issuing forecasts and broadcasting reports and web cam footage. They are behaving like tobacco companies who say it's up to people to smoke or not. Sure it may be legal, but it sure as shit isn't ethical or good for society.
Just change your content Ben FFS.

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Blowin commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 2:23pm

Implicitly encouraging ?

Which bit about this is implicitly encouraging ?

UNLESS YOU LIVE AT THE BEACH, PLEASE DON'T TRAVEL TO SURF

COVID-19 is changing the way we think about surfing. Travelling to the surf now means you're putting an unnecessary strain on the resources of small regional communities. So, please stay home. If you live near the beach and want to surf, please maintain a healthy spacing in the lineup, don't hang in the carpark, and keep your surf sessions shorter to allow others the opportunity to get wet. Above all, stay happy, healthy and look out for one another.“

Swellnet is pushing the same barrow as yourself.

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ojackojacko commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 11:50pm

the “unless” bit. despite what ben says in the story, that literally means “locals only”

note i haven’t called for anyone to close their website or business. i like the cams and forecasts whether or not i can get surf in.

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thebeard commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 9:00pm

Vic, you can always just fuck off and be right somewhere else online?

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Solitude commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 2:40pm

I’m still of the thought that people should take responsibility for themselves. We are not lacking in information as to what’s going.

With this serious situation on our doorstep, anyway EACH of us can help out in our work, society or otherwise has to be a good thing.

I hope Ben, Stu, Craig etc and all that read on here are well and that people can find their feet over the next .........(don’t know what timeline to insert).

Enjoy a quiet wave. Hoot someone on the peak down from you.

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Robo commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 2:19pm

Give it a rest VL. Not everyone lives in crowded Mexico.

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Joshy2000 commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 2:21pm

Comparing Swellnet to tobacco companies now? Fuck me!
Keep it up Swellnet. We’re all responsible as individuals for doing the right thing.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 2:34pm

Normally I'm all for individual responsibility but in this case it's simply not working. Look at the carnage caused by the Aspen skiers behaving like arseholes. That party of 10 have spread this virus all over Toorak and the MP. Every individual must be responsible for community safety with this virus. If a smoker wants to smoke himself to death, that's mainly their problem. If surfers want to travel to surf, that's everyone else's problem.
The problem is, next time Swellnet broadcasts good waves in my area, the masses will come, and people will die a month later. That's a fucking reality Ben wants to ignore but shouldn't be allowed to. Where the fuck is his personal responsibility?

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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velocityjohnno commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 3:37pm

There is a very definite correlation with the good reports and massed crowd events down this way. Usually it goes like this: a week out "6ft+, it will be clean and offshore" - everyone knows or is frothing. Then on the day, visibly increased numbers of people, influx of new VW vans, the people see it and say "Ah, that's actually pretty big, um, I'm going to a protected spot. The result: crowds of 50+ on a beach normally left to the fishermen at chest to maybe head high on the sets. This would have been the grommet option in times past, so they are in the midst of it too and logs going everywhere and maybe a SUP or two.

There is a less discernable correlation with the free cam and overcrowding with learners on one spot.

As for your suggesting personal responsibility VL, remember that perhaps up to 5% of the population are sociopaths and are incapable of feeling empathy for others.

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Spuddups commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 2:27pm

Ben, you can tell your critics that there are people here in NZ who subscribe to your service. Seems odd aye, but speaking for myself I enjoy watching what’s going on at Snapper; it’s the connection with the ocean thing you were talking about.

By the way, if you want to check out a truely mesmerising surf cam you should check out the Surf2Surf Raglan cam.
It’s currently about 2-3ft there, looking pretty nice. Not one person out surfing along the 2.5km from Outsides to Manu Bay. Crazy times.
My feeling is that in Australia you’re just delaying the inevitable. Sooner or later you guys are gonna require a complete lockdown.

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velocityjohnno commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 3:40pm

Agree, it will become the only option to slow/reverse the new cases.

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Robo commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 2:25pm

Just turned W/NW, looking good on surfcam, off for a surf 2 guys out lol.
Thanks Ben

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Blowin commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 2:26pm

I’m normally an opponent of surf cams.

But now I find them meditative to watch. Classic schadenfreude checking out the shit places some crew surf also.

That Trigg one is amazing.

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velocityjohnno commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 3:41pm

I try not to look too much now I have my ticket-of-leave.

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dastasha commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 3:00pm

I too can also either take or leave the surf reports and cams. I'm here for the community.
If I want to know what the surf's like then I look out my window.
There was a comment before on the superbank in the event of a total lockdown.
Just closing the carparks or limiting them to one hour would have a huge reduction on numbers in the water.
I feel there were a lot of people in the water this morning who don't normally surf.
I didn't see any safety incidents but there were a few near misses.
SUPs foils and logs outta control with small kids and beginners in the path.
Something's gotta give...

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mackdog commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 3:15pm

“To help address the issue, we placed a notice atop our Surf Reports and Forecaster Notes. In capital letters, it states: “UNLESS YOU LIVE AT THE BEACH, PLEASE DON'T TRAVEL TO SURF”.
Unfortunately, this has been misinterpreted by some as being a kind of ‘Locals Only’ enforcement.”

You sound conflicted Ben, right now it absolutely should be locals only.
That goes for shopping, walking the dog and life in general.

Everyone should be trying their hardest to stay within their locale. Viruses can only move if people transport it.

Right now Covid19 can be seen in asympomatic carriers and shed for up to 37 days.
If everyone just stayed at home we are going to come out of the other side of this much quicker. If we continue at this rate you can guarantee a complete write off of 2020 and maybe a good chunk of next year.
I’ve subscribed since day 1 and would happily continue to do so if you even if guys say you will focus on content other than reports and forecasts .

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tango commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 3:19pm

It's certainly going to be interesting heading into prime time down here.

There's currently no credible or confirmed advice about the safety of surfing that I can find on the web. There seems to be evidence for other coronaviruses and their survival in marine waters.

I wish someone would answer the question, but it doesn't seem possible to answer it yet.

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mr mick commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 5:51am

Hi Tango, ABC radio had a bacterial doctor on a few days ago & said at this stage had no confirmed evidence either way but thinks it could survive in salt water as survives on us & we are mostly made up of salt & water. Cheers & all the best, stay safe.

Mr mick

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tango commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 10:42am

Thanks Mick,
That's what I've read about too, and corona viruses are known to survive in seawater. They key seems to be how long that survival is. I'd also be keen to hear from a viral expert, as bacteria and viruses are different beasties, though I'm sure they have a fair idea about a lot of it.
cheers, and to you.

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memlasurf commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 1:39pm

And how virulent it is in surf on a decent day with the water churning, tide all over the place, wind, etc.. Nup no going to happen unless its a small super bank day with a zillion people out.

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tango commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 6:36pm

Maybe, Memla, maybe. I saw some references on another facey feed that showed that they can survive in seawater, but the science hasn't been done for this kind of coronavirus. If someone with it ends up putting it in the water near you through snot, spit, urine (which is now known to host a much higher viral load) I reckon you may well have chance. They don't know how UV affects this one, and it's got an outer covering of fatty compounds which might affect its breakdown. It's not technically alive so it can't die, just gets brown down. Surely someone will do the work on it sometime soon.

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memlasurf commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 9:50am

Yeah you probably catch a few other things if that mammal was in the water.

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surfiebum commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 3:53pm

No-one is going to stop going until the government bans it and no amount of removed forecasts / webcams etc is going to step that.
This will be the point that people stop https://easyreadernews.com/manhattan-beach-surfer-issued-1000-citation-f...

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velocityjohnno commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 3:54pm

(Hey I've been laid off) + (Australia is so sweet, I love the beach)*2 - (Govt says stay at home) - (actuality of global pandemic) + (if I just drive, touch nothing and go to this little secluded spot I know of that I reckon is on the lowdown and nearly nobody else knows of)^1,000,000 = clusterfuck

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bongsalot commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 4:06pm

I disagree, lots of surf crew wouldnt know how to read a fucking weather map..but 1 click on swellnet and they are told what day, time, size, everything to go surfing..surfers are selfish cunts, always thinking of themselves and I can see swellnet are too..I get you dont want to lose your job but actually think of all the important people who have in these small communities and here you at swellnet are saying 'fuck you'..we wont help..its not our fault..well, guess what it fucking kinda is..and dont try an say your up there with BOM..fark sake, the arrogance..BOM is an essential service, swellnet is for the lazy, selfcentred surfers not even close mate, you realky need a reality check @swellnet ffs

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memlasurf commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 1:49pm

Oooo bit grumpy today? Ease up, Ben runs a good show and these reports have been around for a long time. There were people everywhere on the weekend down the MP and it wasn't swellnets fault. Lets face it for the MP if it is N - NE, the swell is under 6 foot and it is a weekend, swellnet or no swellnet it is going to be chockers. It was like that before swellnet, nothing has changed as I have lived through it all. I am getting a gut full of everybody abusing one another without constructive criticism to back it up.... and some statistics. Anybody can slag off on this web site and are they subscribers? If you are well that is one less mark against you. I know you will rubbish me now so got for it.

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Robo commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 5:05pm

Obviously a pot head.

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Sheep go to heaven commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 4:06pm

as if Swellnet is the only way to get a forecast/report ! Theres so many weather forecasting sites out there to work out when and where to go . Not to mention every second old mate in the car park ringing their mates to give them the live surf report . Personal responsibility is sadly lacking here , Make a few decisions for yourself and your fellow man . Keep it up Swellnet , don't be bullied into something by the moral high grounders !

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CRS commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 4:22pm

I’ll keep supporting Swellnet no matter what they do. It Has been great till now and will be in the future. Thanks Swellnet.

* and will stay at home

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servant commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 4:38pm

"Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct your paths." Proverbs 3:5-6

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memlasurf commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 1:51pm

Yeah just don't get a groin massage at St Kevins or bend over in the showers at St Pats.

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servant commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 2:24pm

Many thanks memlasurf. My nephew goes to St.Kevins.
God Bless you and your family too.
Prayed for you.
"The LORD is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is long-suffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9

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memlasurf commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 2:33pm

I went there and so did my son. Was a good school back in the 70's although we knew Laidlaw was dodgy (my cousin busted him in the act) and they kept it covered up as well as that predator recently. Sorry if it offends, after going through the catholic system and dealing with the sheer amount or lies and hypocrisy I am now a complete atheist and if the bible gets you through the day, so be it.

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servant commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 3:18pm

No worries, no apology necessary thanks memlasurf. No offence taken nor given.
I too am a most grateful ex(escaped) Catholic. All Thanks, Praise and Glory to JESUS. True Christianity, a follower of and having a personal, direct relationship with Christ is a completely different thing from any man made organised "religion (business)". Catholicism being one of the biggest and hugely infamous. Yes, The Holy Bible = God's WORD = JESUS, certainly gets me through everyday in this life (and the next), especially in these trying times with the virus and being a cancer patient.
God Bless you and all your family, with Love, and at your service if I can be of any help to you and others, probably best apart from this Swellnet site.
"Jesus said to him, "I AM the way, the truth and the life. no one comes to the Father except through me". John 14:6

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PeteWebb commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 4:48pm

For Vic Local: Here's another report from Sky news Australia re the Chinese company Greenland group (real estate) and their pillaging of medical items etc around Australia and the Chinese government doing the same in other countries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLAey9PZAn8&t=3s
One more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnaFiLYdopc
Pictures of pallets ready to be flown to China are easily found. You just have to look.
So if you wondered why you can't buy hand sanitizer or masks the government tell you to use then here's at least part of where they all went.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 5:03pm

That's not in dispute PeteWebb. I've asked Blowin to back up his claims that gangs of Asians were emptying supermarkets. He's come up with nothing more than irrelevant links about Pakistanis in England, followed by a bizarre conspiracy theory that the media were suppressing the story to stop civil unrest.
During this crisis we need to be really careful about hate speech. I'm calling him out on his racist crap.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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Blowin commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 5:11pm

And I’m telling you it happened in this town.

Do you have evidence it didn’t happen ?

No , you’re just talking shit about something of which you’ve got no idea.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 5:26pm

"Do you have evidence it (Asians stripping your town shops three days ago) didn’t happen ?"

You're asking for me to prove a negative. It doesn't work that way mate. Let me give you an example why.

"Blowin was seen on multiple occasions last year cross-dressing and claiming to be Bennie from ABBA's love child. Prove it's not true" Bet you can't.

When you make a claim, you need to back it up with evidence. Something you can't do ya racist flog.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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Robo commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 5:11pm

Maybe if they if they didn't chop up bats to eat we wouldn't have a ChinaFlu.

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garyg1412 commented Wednesday, 1 Apr 2020 at 12:01pm

PeteWebb Im not going to go into the argument as to whether this pillaging is happening or not but I will tell you one thing though with regards to the toilet paper hoarding issue. Rumour has it that Sky News was the biggest perpetrator in this regard just to keep up with the smelly brown stuff that comes out of Chris Smith, Peter Credlin and Rowan Dean's jabbering little cake holes. Maybe source some more credible media outlets next time :)

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gavin007 commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 4:46pm

Interesting topic this one, but please let's not get personal or sidetracked on tourist buses loaded with Chinese (or other nationalities) hoarders.
Hey all, I wouldn't mind you thoughts, please?
Like many who live an hour or so away from the coast, I've been suffering Surfing Deficiency Syndrome. I was conscious of Skomo and the Premier's plea to stay at home and the need for social distancing. I planned to get up before dawn on Saturday morning and perform a "strike mission" - drive straight to one of the many quieter surf locations I have access to, get my fix in a uncrowded surf break then come straight back home. No hanging around afterwards, worst case a drive through coffee at Maccas to help me home. I had my surf gear packed ready to go. Everyone I spoke to up my way (who don't surf) thought it would be okay as I wasn't placing anyone at risk (or myself at risk). I knew the surf was going to pump - the BOM was my source for that. Then I read Swellnet's banner which planted a seed in my brain. I didn't sleep all night as I agonised over it. I hit the radio alarm snooze as I was so dam tired and lay their a bit, still agonising. The radio's 6.00 am news on the radio started with the government advertisement "stay at home". The guilty consciousness got the better of me and I aborted my strike mission.
Your thoughts please? - Would a dawn "strike mission" to a quiet countryside beach have been okay? Like many others, I'm dealing with the fact that I may not see wave for quite some time, not just missing being out there but also losing that all important surfing fitness and skill set.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 5:08pm

What buses of Chinese hoarders? Back that shit up with evidence or stop making the claim.

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Blowin commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 5:19pm

Where’s the evidence that blowin surfers encouraged by Swellnet were in your town today ?

Nothing in the papers and I’d know about it if there was cause I’ve been looking for the headline “ Melbourne surfers visit inbred dumb cunt’s town “.

No story.....didn’t happen.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 6:08pm

Still waiting on your evidence bus loads that Asians stripped your town's (and other towns') supermarkets.
Put up or shut up Blowin.

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gavin007 commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 6:07pm

Hey all, just to be clear, I think some people are misinterpreting me when I wrote "...Hey all, I wouldn't mind your thoughts, please?.." I was referring to whether a pre-dawn dash to a quiet location for a surf and back is okay, not the Chinese hoarders on buses. I have no information on this topic, nor want to get involved in that discussion. Thanks.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 6:13pm

Sorry gavin007. I have a zero tolerance policy on racism. I call it out when I see it. 50 people blown away in Christchurch is just one reason why.

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simba commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 5:38pm

Vic local gotta say i heard hadley discussing this on his talk back program and he did have a few photos a local had posted but they must have been deleted since.
I have personally seen them in melbourne doing the baby formula raids.....mini bus and trailer...

simba

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 6:11pm

Hadley never showed the alleged photos. If they proved his claim, Hadley would have published these until the cows came home. Whipping up his audience with a racist fear campaign is a ratings goldmine for shock jocks. The fact he didn't publish the alleged photos is a very strong sign he was bullshitting.

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simba commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 6:22pm

well sorry to say mate they were on his face book cause i actually had a look when i got home......obviously pulled them or told to pull them.

simba

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 6:50pm

simba. I will explain exactly why I believe the story is false.
Firstly, there isn't an Executive Producer or Chief of Staff of a tabloid media outlet that wouldn't give his left testicle for footage of busloads of Asians stripping shelves. That footage is a ratings gold mine and tabloid media programs would have definitely been trying to track it down.
Secondly, virtually every shopper has a smart phone. If it was happening, they'd be busting out the camera for sure.
Thirdly: Australia has more than it's fair share of racist keyboard warriors. If there was evidence of bus loads of Asians showing up to supermarkets and stripping shelves, it would be all over the net.
The complete lack of video and photography evidence of the Asian shopping gangs stripping supermarket shelves is a very good indicator that the story is complete bullshit.

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simba commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 6:59pm

couldn't care less whether you believe it or not,just relaying what i saw and heard.

simba

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 7:22pm

What exactly did you see? A couple of Asians pushing around a shopping trolley with toilet paper in it? That doesn't = organised busloads of Asians raiding stores, just like Hadley said was happening.
The fact is, Hadley was sent the images via text or email. He had the opportunity to get more information from the sender. If his researchers / producer didn't try and get more information, they are totally incompetent. They would have dug very hard on this, and the evidence just isn't there. It's a beat up mate.

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Daltz007 commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 9:10pm

It's pretty easy to see the organised element of what has been going on and continues to go on, apparently. Here's your search term....
video of chinese raiding supermarket
Even Australia's National treasure, Grant Denyer is up in arms :-)
What's the issue with acknowledging that it happens......who gives a fucknif it's Chinese, Euro or a flock of hermaphrodite's. It's not on in the CBD or country town, full stop.

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MRsinglefin commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 6:00pm

Thanks Swellnet for the update. To me your website also provides quality news items and interesting forums for everyone to contribute their point of view. However some members have "blinkers on" and only believe in their own beliefs / values and choose not to listen to logic. Keep doing what you are doing.

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Timmy49 commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 6:00pm

Just stay home. Pretty simple. WTF are people thinking. It's not the end of the world and I need to surf before I die. Surf will always be there but some of us might not be there when we get over this, I reiterate WE. I'm staying away from the surf, I want to surf in the future. To all those people that don't it's selfish!!!!

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inzider commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 6:02pm

Chinese have been raiding baby formula in NZ for years. They raiding our farms our water etc etc. They will find a Rock with mussels on it and strip the fucking thing bare. My community citrus garden was raped by one lady of Asian persuasion last year, this year the cranberry trees were emptied.
They dont give a fuck about about nothing but themselves. Stop buying what they make. Support countries that have good human rights records.
China can get fucked.

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GuySmiley commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 6:18pm

G'day Ben, Thank you for your well balanced story.

As one who asked the question of SN yesterday (respectfully I hope) I was informed by (1) feedback from many mates and social media links on both the west and east coasts here in Vicco. Friday but particularly yesterday it was out of control in and out of the surf; and (2) a view that we would be in lockdown if the shit show continues as Dan Andrews has been warning all week.

I now see the last 2 days as a form of panic buying of dunny paper, everyone was getting one last surf before it's all locked down. I also see SN closing down its reports and forecasts as completely unwarranted because, as you correctly say, there are many other sources of relevant information out there. No, I think it's better for things to unfold naturally and if this behaviour continues for the lockdown to be put in place.

You mention St Kilda beach above, all beaches in the City of Port Phillip area are now closed as are all beaches in the Shire of Mornington on the MP, that's a massive stretch of coastline.

All the best.

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Blowin commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 6:22pm

Yep....reading this made my day.

Come straight to our country and buy an investment property . Increasing competition for basic shelter so much that young Aussies can’t afford a roof over their heads and then start a petition to the government when the wheels on your speculation goes arse up .

Sucked in , fuvkers.

https://www.change.org/p/scott-morrison-landlord-protection/c

Read the comments below and check the names ....wonder what’s pushing up house prices all these years ?

“ I am signing this because the landlord has discriminated at treated unfairly “........too funny.

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epictard commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 9:59pm

That whole thing has to be a complete piss take, doesn't it?!? There's no way that's real, it's too convenient.

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Fliplid commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 6:18pm

If Bondi and St Kilda can be shut the next thing will be all beaches and then a full lock down Australia wide because people just can't get the message into their thick heads.

It's a lack of personal responsibility not a fucken webcam that's the problem.

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Frodge commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 6:20pm

Keep up the good work Swellnet, so much positivity comes from your site.
If people are so concerned, maybe they should practice not surfing at all and spend their time rallying their local council and MPs to shut it all down.
Last time I checked, ‘locals’ and ‘non locals’ were at the beach surfing.
In saying that, we all had a good surf together yesterday, strangers sharing waves, hoots and keeping a good social distance.
Stay safe all, be nice to one another and lay off Swellnet.

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Robo commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 6:37pm

Love your work Blowin - the swearing.

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Robo commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 6:41pm

Where i surfed yesterday there was about 20 of us, about 10 groms under 12 with their parents on the beach taking video/photos. One was a ex pro surfer.

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Gra Murdoch commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 6:46pm

Go the mighty Swellnet.

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Statler commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 6:55pm

Gees FFS SWELLNET you have no responsibility for anyone's decisions, Keep up the good work. This site is valued by real surfers not the hordes that were on Bondi or elsewhere.

No greater surfing resource online than Swellnet.
All the weather and surf info is available in multiple sites including the BOM. I'm still old school and love looking at the synoptic maps use to be the first thing I read in the paper before i went to school.
To Blame Swellnet for Crowds is comical, Blame surf companies and the wozzle and anyone else selling the dream and making money from it.
My best pick Local today was packed, the crowds were unprecedented why??
NO SWELLNET CAMERA LOCATED
Close the NSW border.
send backpackers home.
Good Banks at the moment, Dumb Crew posting to social media(LETS BAN FACEBOOK and all over forms of social media)
Newly unemployed
Pubs closed no hangovers
NOT SWELNETS PROBLEM

WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP being peddled by some posters here, Vic local the stripping of supermarkets has been happening by groups in regional areas why is there no link as there is no local papers anymore all owned by Murdoch and it does not suit the agenda, about 2 weeks ago there was a report from Dorrigo by the owner of an IGA discussed on Abc North coast radio in the mornings As i was driving to work about it occurring.
Vic Local you ignored a previous posters links to Medical PPE being stockpiled and sent to china, it is happening across many products, including groceries when i saw those SMH articles it made sense the shortages I'm seeing in other areas in my business and clients.
You strike me as another self absorbed Boomer Vic Local correct me if im wrong

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Robo commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 8:55pm

Nah boomers would think the opposite to him.

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Jmc83 commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 6:59pm

Swellnet is just is website. I can’t see how it has any real influence over people behaviour. Except for the lemmings who can’t think for themselves.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 7:16pm

All I know Jmc83 is, it's lemming central at my local break when Swellnet forecasts (and starts talking up) a swell. When Swellnet miss a swell, the crowd is substantially thinner.
It does have an effect and that's why Swellnet should pull the reporting / forecasting / cams on their fine website. There's enough surf content to keep people engaged.

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Westofthelake commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 8:14pm

"When Swellnet miss a swell, the crowd is substantially thinner."

That made me chuckle.

Got a link or 2 as proof of that statement Vicco?

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 8:22pm

Got a link or 2 as proof of that statement Vicco?
Sorry mate, but the size of crowds at my local break isn't exactly going to get covered in the Geelong Advertiser, Echo or Surf Coast Times.
Velocity Johnny is a regular surfer down here. He's backed up my observations further up the thread.

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N.P commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 9:26pm

Na mate. Evidence required otherwise it’s just shit talk apparently. Heed your own advice champion

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thebeard commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 9:21pm

Sharing is caring, you can always take up scrabble or join your social justice buddies at a rally.

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Vunerable commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 7:20pm

Take it easy, take it easy
Don't let the sound of your own wheels drive you crazy
Lighten up while you still can
Don't even try to understand
Just find a place to make your stand, and take it easy.
Eagles.
Thanks to Swellnet we can continue to get our surf fix in whatever shape or form the future holds.

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ringmaster commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 7:25am

Fuck!!!

This thread has had EVERYTHING!

Just when I thought I'd seen opinions from all angles some god bothering crunt quotes the bible!

Laughing my head off!

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 7:45pm

TBH ringmaster, a Christian quoting the bible is the least of our worries. I have a much bigger problem with bored isolated racist cunts, down on their luck, filling their skulls with bullshit off the internet for the next few months. It's worse in the USA. They've stockpiled weapons over there.
It's a massive problem, but hey, the Muslims aren't public enemy number one anymore, so that's a positive.

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thebeard commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 9:25pm

I have a problem with your need of pushing your opinion on other people.

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servant commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 9:42pm

Thank you so much ringmaster. Prayed for you.
"The TRUTH will set you free", John 8:32
God Bless you and your family, with Love from a '..od bothering ..unt', - many many years before now being a cancer patient

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 9:47pm

Good luck servant, Having cancer is shit at the best of times. It must be much harder with C-19 floating around. I'm not religious, but believing in God brings you comfort, that's cool. Best of luck with the treatment.

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servant commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 9:58pm

God Bless you too Vic Local. Many thanks for your kind comment. Prayed also for you

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Snoz commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 7:57pm

A mate went for a look up at Noosa this arvo and said it was so crowded and that there was a gathering of at least 20 young loggers drinking together!
Noosa will be the first spot that surfing will be banned in Qld.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 8:10pm

That's terrible. Noosa will be a virus hotspot within weeks. When retirees on the Sunshine Coast start dying, the full horror of this weekend might dawn on the loggers.

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N.P commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 9:27pm

Funny that most of the blow-ins/ out of towners at Noosa seem to be from “vic”.

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mowgli commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 3:59pm

Correct.

There's potentially already a cluster in Noosa. It was in the local rags about a mob that went to a bunch restaurants/cafes all in one day (must have money) and turns out they were all infected.

“Life is a long lesson in humility.”

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Glenfiddich commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 8:23pm

Vic Local, have you ever considered how insignificant you are? The gall to assume that you have some almighty claim on even a skerrick of ocean is bewildering. I hope when COVID-19 is gone, your town gets flooded with surfers and other beachgoers, ready to pump your area with much needed dollars - I'm sure many business owners in your region don't share your view.

The arrogance is mind boggling - you have no entitlement to the ocean whatsoever.

I live inner-city, if I see a good review pop up for my local coffee shop I am going to be furious, as I'll now have to wait in line longer!

Also, has it occurred to you that there is more than one forecasting site on the web?

I love surfing, but my god I despise the people that seem to make up the community. This entitlement to waves, the superiority complex - it is truly pathetic.

I rarely comment on public forums, but after reading this comment section felt obliged - although I doubt it will have any impact, as you are clearly a troll who leads an unsatisfactory life.

PS - you are also a fool if you don't think we are being pillaged by our communist trade partners to the North. It is people like you, that suppress the dialogue with accusations of racism, that allow it to continue.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 8:34pm

I will be welcoming tourists back with open arms. In fact, I really don't like the small town anti-tourism mentality. I don't think I'm entitled to the ocean any more than anyone else.
I cringe when people complain about tourists in normal times, but I won't cop people coming here during the c-19 crisis and putting people's lives in danger. It's a dog act. Tourists are simply not welcome at this time. When it's all said and done, I will be encouraging regional tourism big time.*
* and yes I do have a vested interest in this.
** You should read some of the comments on local social media pages. People are justifiably furious down here.

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icandig commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 8:40pm

You have a link to any of the pages Vic? Genuinely curious.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 8:57pm

You'd have to join Surf Coast Community News on Facebook to see the comments. The moderators have been really busy cleaning it up. Here's a pretty standard comment.
"Do not head down the coast/ u r not welcome or wanted at this cataclysmic time.
Stay in your own back yard.
It's really that simple.
Don't make Dan Andrews job any more difficult than it is"

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icandig commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 9:19pm

Done and doing. Have been seeing a few bits and pieces. Not willing to wade into your shit fight, but agree on some levels. I'm luckier than most and will leave it at that. P.S. just a suggestion. Tone down the vulgarity; especially the C*** word. Doesn't paint you in a good light. (Like you care anyway). **edit. 7 x C*** 1 attributed to you. I think Blowin is the winner.

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velocityjohnno commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 11:39am

Thanks for the snippet VL. I'm not on facebook and don't open it on my browser, but also know the community page is the best local 2nd hand market there is, from word of mouth of friends. Would be interesting to hear more local views if you can post them - as without the fb page I only know the local community from face to face the crew I know (and now we have locked ourselves down due to medicals).

Personally I've seen cars on Geelong Rd going back strapped 4 deep in logs this morning, some people still not getting it.

To surf or not to surf is a pretty good question, SC shire said beaches closed (yet exercise permitted... hmmm), Dan Andrews said stay home, last night Scott Morrison said stay home... so with that kind of background responsibility says stay home. It's all for nought if duncepricks keep coming on down and cause a local transmission which spreads.

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memlasurf commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 1:59pm

Yeah down the MP there are signs sprayed on the road...'Stay in Aspen' , yacht club similarly sprayed over and signs on the back beaches 'Go back to Melbourne'. MP has the highest rate in Victoria due to the ultra privilege class not caring about their movements. The locals are not happy when it is not their fault.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 8:51pm

OK folks, I get why people are saying I'm so angry. Yes it's true and here's why.
I'm related to a medical professional and she knows the score. Due to the c-19 crisis, patients are being turned away from rehabilitation care, and elective surgery has been cancelled leaving people in pain.
Elderly people in nursing homes are being denied family visits, and nurses are busting their arses preparing for the impending shit storm.
Oncologists would be changing, or seriously considering delaying, people's cancer treatment regimes because C-19 can be a death sentence for patients with compromised immune systems.
All leave has been cancelled for medical professionals. Does that not raise a red flag?
Medicos are now making decisions that are "least worst options" rather than "best practice options".
Meanwhile people are out having fucking holidays, bringing forward the shitstorm and making medical decisions so much harder. It's putting saints and their patients in impossible positions.
So you'll just have to forgive me for being angry. It's because I'm right, and people are being selfish, dangerous, dickheads.

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Glenfiddich commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 9:04pm

I think you crave attention. This whole thread was not dedicated to you - in fact you've hijacked it and gone on multiple tirades.

SW made a business announcement and you have jumped from multiple topics, including: how your local spot has been destroyed, denying communist China and its lemming's actions in Australia - and now lecturing us on the impact this will have on our health system.

The vast vast vast majority are doing the right thing, and besides a select few (who couldn't give two shits about your online input) are unfortunately ruining it for the rest. Take a chill pill big fella, maybe a glass of Glenfiddich - you must've taken years off your life with these angry rants.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 9:21pm

...or you could say, I'm sticking up for people at risk, be they medical professionals, their patients or Australians from a Chinese heritage. I'm actually riding out this isolation thing ok. You'll have to forgive me for my sledgehammer approach to looking out for other people and not tolerating fools.

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Glenfiddich commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 9:34pm

Maybe in your deluded mind - but keep up the good fight mate, Australia and the SW community would be lost without you.

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Robo commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 9:05pm

Not where i live, nursing home can have 2 visitors for 30 mins, Nurse i spoke to yesterday in north coast hospital says no one has it and business as usual.

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velocityjohnno commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 12:42pm

VL this was a really good post. I also get a look in to the medical situation here, and it's serious. I really, really, really wish people would begin to understand this.

Together we can all overcome it, if we are effective in stopping transmission of the virus. If we can isolate and do this well enough, the world can return to a semblance of what we will remember as normal (not exactly the same). If we can't, it's going to be ongoing flare ups, many deaths, heavily burdened/overwhelmed medical system, and an economy that gets kicked in the balls repeatedly for as long as the virus keeps flaring up again.

Geelong cases 37
Surfcoast 5

from weeklytimes.now.com.au site as of this time

https://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/news/victoria/your-guide-to-coronaviru...

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thebeard commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 9:36pm

So because you’re related to a medical professional (this could be anything right?) you are right and therefor have the right to be angry... fuck me mate... now I finally get it; you’re right... man, why didn’t you say this right from the start....

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Robo commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 9:00pm

They should now and should of before cut the M1 at Hexham Bridge, Campbelltown and Wollongong, and all flights and boats, problem solved, its mostly coming out of Sydney. Wouldn't be a problem for anywhere else in NSW.

Except for freight and emergency services.

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mattlock commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 9:27pm

I have read plenty of rants in the past from Vic Local railing against people visiting "his" coast.
At least now he has a legitimate reason for doing so.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 9:30pm

Thanks mattlock... I think!

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tiger commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 9:30pm

If you live in an even moderately populated area, there is slim chance you can really go surfing without compromising the suggested social distancing regulations. If there is adjacent populations on top of that then even more so. Particularly given the current situation where reality hasn't sunk in, and there's an almost holiday like atmosphere. People from places like Torquay/surf coast, or the sunny coast, whinging about it are fucking kidding themselves. Sure the extra tourists are making it worse, but realistically the local surfing populations are too large to begin with. Not to mention Sydney or the Goldy, it's just not doable at the moment. I live 20 mins inland and drive to surf, but in a quiet regional zone. Solo surf's on the weekend are not uncommon, and the usual on weekdays, at the spot I mostly frequent. I'm heading down for a surf and a fish in the morning, confident that I will more than likely not encounter another person. That is doable. I stayed home and avoided the beaches over the weekend, just in case they were a little busier than usual. It's frustrating but not surprising that my ability to safely do this will be taken away because the government will have no choice but the blanket ban because the selfish morons that live in the denser populated areas can't control their FOMO knob cake lifestyles. None of this is swellnets fault, and any contribution to it would be minimal, it's just a reflection of society in general.

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inzider commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 9:44pm

Geeze fellas lighten up on old viclocal
He makes many a valid point.
I perused the webcam of my local beach back home in nz from my isolation hotel room in adelaide.
Pumping little offshore waves and a city of 60000 people behind them.
NO ONE surfing .
People who think its ok to travel and surf are morons and will be the reason more people die and make the time between me seeing my kids again last into the months.
Wake the fuck up and get ready for lockdown

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Blowin commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 9:59pm

Vic Local stumbled when he started to get shouty at Swellnet because of all the crew on the beach.

He may as well be blaming the weatherman on TV or the hot local chicks in bikinis if he’s looking to excuse crew from being personally responsible when they flaunt virus prevention measures.

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mikehunt207 commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 9:48pm

@Vic local, reports last week on ABC radio south west about Vans of "people" with trailers coming from Perth to country towns in the wheat belt and country buying up everything then could in supermarkets, cleaning them out, Bruce Rock was one from memory , manager said it was like watching the baby formula antics on the tv last year, read whatever you like into that. Sucks even more for places like that because they only get restocked one a week. It is a real thing. All good flying the flag for political correctness but once they do your town you might sing a different song. If the hat fits -wear it.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 10:09pm

We’ve had mass hoarding down our way too with “people” (Traditional White Aussie) trying to profiteer from the panic. The thing is, if Asian people (allegedly) do it, people focus on their ethnicity. When white folk do it, people focus on their behaviour. I can’t actually recall ray Hadley / Alan Jones racially profiling Anglo hoarders. Maybe someone could find the evidence.

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Glenfiddich commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 10:35pm

You’re really struggling with this aren’t you. The way you spin the narrative is an art form - you should be a politician (for all the wrong reasons).

There is a distinct difference between frightened Australians hoarding (which is inexcusable in itself) and Chinese nationals (who have no allegiance to Australia) pillaging local town stores and sending supplies overseas. The fact that this was going on prior to this crisis (baby formula etc) shows they are not to be trusted.

There is proof everywhere, multiple news sites and eye witness accounts - whether you choose to acknowledge it is your prerogative.

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podrig commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 2:10am

Care to post links to any of your 'proof'?

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Glenfiddich commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 11:47am

It's been covered in detail above mate, a simple scroll would suffice - otherwise there is a search bar at the top of your web browser that generally helps as well.

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mikehunt207 commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 10:55pm

Ok Vic your right , everyone else is racist mate.
I think it was Winston Churchill who said "A fanatic is a person who cant change his mind and wont change the subject" , sounds about right reading your posts.

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soggydog commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 9:50pm

Once again. The virus can’t travel we travel and transport it. If you don’t travel it can’t be transported it will be contained and die. #staythefuckathome.

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ringmaster commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 9:58pm

Ive lived and surfed the Surfcoast area a lot longer than VL has been here and can categorically state that the 'local' crew around here are as big or a bigger pain in the arse to surf with than tourists.

Also, if you're basing your surfing life around Winkipop you're doing it wrong in 2020. Its a cunthole. (Sorry Icandig)

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icandig commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 10:15pm

Lol. I'll let that one slide Ringmaster. I miss the old (as in pre-Armstrong) Winkipop. Still swing by on the odd occasion, but you're right. It's a C-Hole now.

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billythekid commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 7:40am

"Ive lived and surfed the Surfcoast area a lot longer than VL has been here and can categorically state that the 'local' crew around here are as big or a bigger pain in the arse to surf with than tourists."

100% agree ringmaster, the 'locals' at winki drop in, talk endless crap in the lineup and generally create a bad vibe. one dickhead yesterday loudly proclaiming you'll need to show a 3228 license to surf there.

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mattlock commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 10:02pm

Two minute "locals" are the worst.

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inzider commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 10:10pm

Just put a 3228 sticker on ya car and whammo your dead set legend local.

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mattlock commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 10:12pm

Don't leave your postcode though.

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velocityjohnno commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 11:51am

Mine's a book mark but it might have to go on the car. These are desperate times.

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mattlock commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 10:06pm

Back to the forum subject.
I trust Ben and his team to do what lies best with his conscience.

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adam12 commented Sunday, 29 Mar 2020 at 11:48pm

I agree with Icandig about using bad language like 'that' word just to get a point across but what are you going to do? Some cunts just never learn.
Like Chaucer and Shakespeare too.

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velocityjohnno commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 11:52am

cunce

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Johan Wohlleben commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 12:42am

Swell net is an essential service. Don’t be a hypocrite and use the forums then blame the surf report.

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views from the ... commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 1:37am

Classic stuff- Keeps me laughing.
VL and bongsalot should get together and wrench a few ;-)
Anyway unless you're Jesus Christ, fair bet you've got some racism in ya.
It's throughout history, it's human nature and Im guilty too.
Go Swellnet!!!

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podrig commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 2:11am

Rip into em VicLocal!!

#staythefuckhome

#selfishcunts

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podrig commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 2:17am

Anyone else noticed that all of the 'special' tickets have disappeared off the shelf?

Despite the reports of the major chains putting on thousands of new staff in order to keep up with demand they have chosen to remove all specials in order to sell everything at full tote. Did someone say profiteering? It ain't the yellow threat that will get you in the long run..

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garyg1412 commented Wednesday, 1 Apr 2020 at 12:27pm

Ha Ha podrig. Glad someone else noticed that. I saw the Tim Tams at the front of the aisle specials area with a ticket price of $3.65 - WTF they're normally $1.65 in that location.

With the shelves stripped bare I was hoping a diet of Tim Tams and Fanta were going to get me through this crisis, but with those prices I'm back looking for the 80c packets of pasta!!!

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views from the ... commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 2:43am

Just to recap why we are all here:-

"Many phrases have been introduced to the public from "delay phase" to "social distancing."
At the top of the list is the term: "flattening the curve." What does this mean? It's a society-wide effort to slow down and spread out the incidence of COVID-19 cases.
A flatter curve will ultimately guard against overwhelming the healthcare system and the workforce.
This doesn’t necessarily mean that fewer people get sick.
It means that people don’t all get sick at the same time.
By taking proactive steps, like canceling large gatherings and restricting contact with others, we have a chance to regain control of this fast-moving disease and alleviate further damage. "
Apply common sense.
Check these sites to get a better understanding of how COVID-19 works and on who and why.
https://www.lung.org/lung-health-diseases/lung-disease-lookup/pneumonia/...
https://www.lung.org/lung-health-diseases/lung-disease-lookup/pneumonia/...
https://www.lung.org/blog/update-covid-19

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Roystein commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 6:49am

I noticed that posrig. They may be trying to deter bull buying but maybe not too.
I don’t see a connection between cams reports and people’s current behaviour. It comes from the governments directions. People will find enough from their communications if it allows. It’s called confirmation bias. What we will see now following ScoMo last night is 1) less people hanging out around the place in groups (now defined a 3 or more) 2) about the same number of people in the water (maybe more) as exercise was listed as a reason to be outside.

Less blaming each other and more understanding of human behaviour is needed here.

. A proactive article from Ben shouldn’t descend into a shitfight about bulk buying. Take that somewhere else.

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Roystein commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 6:50am

Ps well done Ben and swellnet on a quality website. It’s one of a small number of things worth their time on the internet

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viccokook commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 8:05am

Please help as i'm confused as fuck. If I want to exercise by way of surfing am i allowed to by law if I maintain social distancing?
We have Scomo saying we can exercise and buy puzzles, Dan the Man saying stay home but you can exercise outside. Surfcoast Shire says you can surf and exercise on the beach and then we have our newly formed #staythefuckhome national council voicing their opinion for anyone and everyone. So if i choose to surf which includes driving my car from where ever i live (be it 5 mins or 15 mins away), dont stop anywhere and maintain SD am i breaking the law or am i more at risk of been judged by the mob? is that any different to exercising out the front of my house, going for a run etc. I imagine the high rise apartments in Melb and maintaining SD to get outside would be far more difficult/riskier than a solo surf run. I'm desperate for some saltwater therapy before i completely lose my bundle as many of us are so a clear concise answer would be great on what the actual law is right now. Not your own personal opinion. I already know i'm a selfish fuck for even considering surfing.

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billythekid commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 7:44am

viccokook you can go for a surf - in regional areas like this a 5 or 15 min drive is local, its a lot more spaced out

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mibs-oner commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 8:12am

Hopefully life gets back to normal so viclocal doesn’t have to sit on his computer all day.

Keep up the great work swellnet

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icandig commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 9:15am

Let's see what happens when the next clean NW 6 ft autumn swell hits the Surf Coast. This is likely, given the season and it won't take a Swellnet forecast for the word to get out. My guess is that not only will the Bells and Winkipop car park be full, there's the full prospect of the Channel 7 news chopper buzzing the lineup to name and shame. Perhaps; just maybe there'll be fewer commutes from a distance, but I doubt it will stop anyone within a short radius of descending on the place.

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Vic Local commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 9:33am

The Bells carpark is closed so surfers are now parking on the road. And here's the kicker, it's 1-2ft and hopelessly inconsistent. Saw today's photo on another site.
I've just got back from a walk along an empty stretch of beach that's only accessible at dead low tides and tiny swells. I could see multiple surfers walking down steps to access a flat ocean. You can't fix stupid.

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AndyM commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 10:35am

You saw a few surfers going for a muck around on a deserted beach?

Sounds fair enough to me.

If you saw the crowds everywhere else you'd have a fucking aneurism.

Edit - or maybe lose your shit like an incontinent dog.

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juegasiempre commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 10:38am

Vic local. If you want to be stressed and pop a rage fuse, check the Greenmount cam right this second. Or South Trigg from yesterday, an ungodly amount of people spaced out 0.25m, scratching for 1ft closeouts.

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Vic Local commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 10:54am

Andy, I walked a stretch of beach that is in-between reef breaks and is inaccessible except when it's tiny and low tide. It's as isolating as possible. I can see steps that access a couple of reef breaks and counted half a dozen surfers in 20 odd minutes paddling out into a flat ocean and sitting next to each other. Pure madness.
We have 5 confirmed cases in my shire. That would increase naturally, but it will increase much faster now due to the influx of Melbourne tourists and travelling surfers. That's unforgivable.
juegasiempre. My tribes, surfers and skiers have really dropped the ball on this. They've behaved so selfishly.

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shoredump commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 11:53am

Let me get this straight VL. You haven’t been cleared of CV, and you still didn’t stay the fuck home. You went out not for medicine or food, but your angry because others go out not for medicine or food. Okay, got it. Continue....

But put that gun down man, you’re making everyone nervous

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Vic Local commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 12:31pm

My daughter and I went on a walk on a deserted beach very early in the morning which was consistent with the advice at the time. I didn't drive anywhere, saw 1 other person and wished him well from afar. Not exactly travelling from a hotspot to an area with only 5 confirmed cases and hanging around in crowds.

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boogiefever commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 1:40pm

You got it in one.
Theres rules for VL...... Then theres rules for the rest of us. Has mentioned previously that he rides his pushie 50+ k's but has a fucken aneurysm if anyone has to drive to the beach. What a hypocritical dumb fuck....
You cant fix stupid...

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Vic Local commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 2:03pm

Whatever boogiefever. That ride was a few days ago and it was solo in the farmland. Number of people I came across who weren't passing me in vehicles at 80km/h = zero.
Big fucking difference to travelling to surf with mates, filling up with petrol, getting coffee, hanging out at the beach, and then sitting in crowded lineups. The surf coast shire has just closed all the beaches.

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boogiefever commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 11:16pm

Hahaha... You selfish hypocrite.
"travelling to surf with mates, filling up with petrol, getting coffee, hanging out at the beach, and then sitting in crowded lineups."

What a retarded argument. Most surfers have more sense than that..... You've proven that you dont.
This whole isolation thing is for you and your fellow boomers safety.... And you cant even be fucked sacrificing for your own health. Cunts fucked..... Give up the crack pipe.... Youre already cooked.

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Clam commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 9:36am

Geez lockdown has been productive for commenters

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King Kong commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 9:52am

Hey Swellnet. Thanks for the awesome service you provide. It’s not just people living remotely from the beach that you help keep sane. I’m only 5 mins from my local break, but the pace of life means I don’t get to surf every day. On the days I can’t, I can often be found in boring meetings, sneaking a quick look at the forecast or the cams, and drifting away to the next quality sesh with the boys. Best mental health strategy. Ever. Keep up the great work!

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spelled3 commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 10:00am

Doing well Swellnet. I think you've struck the right balance. Good luck!

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san Guine commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 10:14am

Thanks SN, I really appreciate the service you provide. Have had many laughs reading the forums and enjoy the banter between commenters and personally take most of the surf reports with a grain of salt (our coast is all about the banks).
Different points of view are important...if we were all the same life would be pretty dull!

Just a little aside re COVID for those younger males who are still in denial re the risks of the virus :
The cell receptors where the Corona virus attaches is called ACE-2 (certain anti-hypertensives are in this category) which are obviously in the lungs, hence the respiratory symptoms. These ACE-2 receptors are also in the Leydig cells of the testes which are integral in the production sperm.

Impotency anyone???? Be aware and be safe.

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san Guine commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 10:15am

...of sperm

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Old Gregg commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 12:00pm

San, I read somewhere ACE-2 inhibitors in blood pressure meds can be affected by the virus as in it can make it worse. Know anything about that? I couldn’t understand all the medical talk and as a young bloke who’s on them it’s concerning

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san Guine commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 12:38pm

Hey OG,
Sorry don't know enough about it, its not my area of expertise, but yes I have read that ACE-2 inhibitors are affected.
Try this website: HealthUnlocked.com (my wife has cardiac issues and has found this site very helpful and supportive).
The main problem is this is virus is new for all of us and I think even those of us in the health care profession are floundering around with so many unknowns.
Take care of yourself, stay away from people, we will get through this if we all act responsibly

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Old Gregg commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 12:57pm

Thanks mate. I will check it out

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san Guine commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 12:57pm

... and I should also should have said, that you should get some medical advice from your trusted GP. There are a myriad of other classes of anti-hypertensives( eg. ca channel blockers, beta blockers etc.) readily available.

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Old Gregg commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 12:58pm

Will do

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Joshy2000 commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 12:01pm

Looks like the 50 year storms hitting Sunday Bodhi. Do you expect Utah to stay home? He knows you won’t miss this one.

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Frodge commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 10:50am

Is a line up at a beach a public gathering? If so family sessions and solo sessions only (Gov. media statement from yesterday & Dan announced it this morning Stage 3 restrictions):

Indoor and Outdoor Public gatherings
"National Cabinet agreed to limit both indoor and outdoor gatherings to two persons only.
Exceptions to this limit include:
People of the same household going out together;"

Exercise is still be allowed, but no more than 2 out?????

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epictard commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 11:04am

I have never really look at cameras outside of my area / places I surf regardless.
Yesterday someone noted the chaos at South Trigg that made me look around a bit.
Today jueg mentioned Greenmount ... Jebus!!!

It is mesmerising. The number of drop-ins, ankle high barrel attempts, and general insanity of a crowd in surf that is not really breaking could keep me watching all day if I did not have to log on for work. It's like my brain could not work out what it was seeing so just switched off. ... and I will froth over any conditions but not with those numbers per possible wave.

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frog commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 3:56pm

The weird thing about the Triggs session is that if people really thought about it they might realise that what they are doing is not fun. It is habit or FOMO or something to Instagram or ??????

Once you realise that some surfs are about as pleasurable as putting out the garbage or jumping off the seawall onto soft sand over and over you can free yourself from pointlessly chasing crappy surf lured by a mirage or a memory and actually enjoy life more.

Frogg

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Bnkref commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 11:07am

Dan Andrews has just announced a stage 3 lockdown for Victoria. No leaving the house unless it's for exercise or getting food / medicine. No travelling for exercise. That's seems very clear to me that no one should be getting in a car to go surfing.

If you can walk to a beach. Good luck to you. I can't...

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Frodge commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 11:22am

Bnkref
I'm not trying to debate travelling to the surf, so please don't take it that way, but I can't see any mention in the Vic Gov. announcement about travelling for exercise.

My main takeaway from the Stage 3 was no more than 2 people - for the majority of Victoria's surfing population (especially MP & SC), that's not achievable.
Looks like there is swell on the way, lets see (from the comfort of our homes) how this plays out.

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Bnkref commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 11:29am

The official media release didn't go into that level of detail but his announcement on twitter specifically mentioned that (about not getting in a car for exercise).

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Frodge commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 11:59am

thanks lostdoggy.

Clear as day.

lets see if the "no more than 2" is enforced

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velocityjohnno commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 12:06pm

that makes it very clear.

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lostdoggy commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 12:29pm

I think the weight lifting gym type that don't have their own equipment will take this harder than the surfers tbh :)

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steverubysdad commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 11:10am

Long time reader, first time poster. For what it is worth, I have finally subscribed to SN, a tiny gesture of support for a small business providing a service I value. Ben, I hope you continue to provide the reports, links and cameras that make my day a little bit better.

steverubysdad

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zenagain commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 12:55pm

Money well spent, even if it's just for the laughs and the extended forecasts.

Btw, how's Steve these days?

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brownie48 commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 11:54am

Been an interesting read so far!

At least Ben and the team at Swellnet are being responsible by asking people not to travel. It doesnt matter what SN do not everyone will agree with their approach.

The clowns at Coastalwatch last week openly encouraged people living in the Eastern Suburbs of Sydney to go for a drive and get out of town to go surfing as the beaches were closed there!

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velocityjohnno commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 12:05pm

Good on you Steve, I'll be resubscribing if I'm still here in one piece. My only request for Swellnet is do a history series on the epic swells, maybe do this in favour of the reports.

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tango commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 12:20pm

In Vic the advice seems to be that you can go surfing for exercise as long as you maintain distance/go with household family members. This is going to be a good test for the surfing population in Vic not just for this week but for the next month or three.

As I've said before, I can't quantify the correlation between forecasts and crowds, but I've got no doubt it exists, especially when things get talked up a long way out and people can organise their time well in advance. This is supported by pretty much everyone I know who is in the water on the good days which weren't talked up and the almost assured difference in crowds ie less people. Its only anecdotal, but it's getting witnessed more and more often. And there's noticeable talk in the carparks when the different forecasts make those calls - there's no way that many people are the full bottle on BoM and other sources of info to call it themselves. Of course, every time Ben comes down he manages to jag somewhere uncrowded and good and then tells me to get back in my box.

Of course SN isn't the only source of forecasting info, and whether publishing surf reports at the moment is irresponsible, I'm not so sure. I tend to agree that it lets people stay in touch, and I think that the discouragement at the start of the reports re travelling is the right call. Maybe there's room for forecasting in a low-key way and avoiding headlines which get people talking, especially on Insta etc.

For now, the Vic govt has said that its OK to get out and exercise, but make it snappy and it's not OK to drive far for it. I think any rational interpretation of that means that you can go for a quick paddle as long as you're maintaining distance and you're from the local area. I can't imagine people being supportive of anyone wanting to go to from the coast to the city just to "exercise". I guess that's going to be the cream (finally) for those of use who pay exorbitant rates to live on the coast. The challenge is whether everyone is going to fuck this up and crowd out the name breaks and force the authorities' hands to ban surfing. After seeing footage of cops chasing and apparently shooting at surfers in south america on the weekend, as the mate who sent me the insta (surfline, i think) story said: "shit just got real."

I'm also a supporter of SN's role in providing forums like this, where every muppet gets a voice and in longhand, mind you. I dunno of any other site/space where this happens. We're all going to need it.

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Spinafex1 commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 12:46pm

A "crowd" is now three people. I think this pretty much rules out surfing anywhere but the most remote and unpopulated places.

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velocityjohnno commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 1:01pm

Three's a crowd.

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Bnkref commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 1:18pm

Unless you're Gary G, in which case it's heaven.

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velocityjohnno commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 1:21pm

Hope Gary's mental health stays good in these days of isolation and denial of access to busy gyms...

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Stimpie commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 1:56pm

Its really quite simple.....don't go surfing until this is all over!

I'm reading a lot of people justifying why they should still be able to surf...I live locally, it's for my health, I need my daily/weekly surf to keep my sanity etc. me, me, me.

The sooner we all make the tough call, put our boards and wetties away and wait this thing out, the sooner we can all surf again. A very small consolation is that for the 1st time in 30 years I've stopped obsessing over wind, tides & swell!

Hang in there everyone.

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jayet-010 commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 7:12pm

Yeah bro, I'm with you.

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Elliedog commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 2:32pm

Good work Ben and SN. What a tough call. Personally i believe a forecast will determine weather someone might head to the beach for a surf or not...to a degree. Everyone needs to make some hard calls regarding isolating and distancing. I'm not finding it too difficult as i'm not real social anyway and don't mind my own company along with my partner and kids and i'm getting a quick surf in at some shitty places all within 5km's of my home...no problem keeping distance from others at these spots thats for sure...i'm lucky i guess. What happens when the first legit forecast for the east coast goes live on line?. What about the first report that says its pumping!!!!. the best board for today is.... Not just at SN mind you but plenty of other forecast tools out there. Humans are interesting thats for sure. Keep the interesting online content coming guys your certainly the best at it.

Luba

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frog commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 8:58am

The debate will be over soon enough. Bans on the way.

I am afraid I would categorise surfing a tight take off spot like Snapper or a swamped beach break like Triggs as a moderately risky activity to catch Covid 19 due to water flushing up everyone's nose endlessly when surfing. . Polluted water with effluent outfalls would add to risks even if surfing solo. Later that night some water is still up most surfer's noses after a few decent wipeouts. Viral load would be small but enough to create doubt.

The medical authorities will see the photos and make a call and ban surfing or set tight limits as for weddings - which will be flouted at first which will then lead to total bans.

So locals don't get too smug as you may be worse off than those who are more landlocked as you suffer the excruciating pain of being in sight of unsurfed perfection or copping fines or a week in hospital for a few empty waves.

Another thing is that Covid 19 seems to get nasty if it enters the lungs (often it sits higher in throat and nose where it can be more mild). So if you copy a mouthful of saltwater laced with a bit of covid and it gets down your windpipe a bit as can often occur, you might get the bad version - pneumonia.

The possible situations, reactions of people, uncertainty and even the debates in this thread are all so far from carefree surfing that it is not that hard to just forget it for a while.

Frogg

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freeride76 commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 4:32pm

The other thing to take into consideration is infection is related to the quantity of viral material transmitted.
that is almost always higher indoors, particular in air conditioned environments: the reason so many cruise ship passengers are infected.

high viral loads at infection make for worse disease outcomes.

even though it's theoretically possible the virus could survive in sea water the dispersal and dilution effect of the ocean, particularly a dynamic surf zone means it's highly unlikely you would be infected with a high viral load, if you received any viral material whatsoever.

seems pretty easy to modify habits and surf away from people, especially when there are stretches of open beach, even in urban environments.

but you're probably right, it might be banned.

hope not.

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Blowin commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 5:59pm

Every time I hear the term “ viral load “ I think of Paris Hilton.

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PeteWebb commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 4:08pm

Dear Swellnet...I am a paid subscriber...can you send me a new mouse please? I've worn this one out by having to scroll way too far in this comments section.
https://vimeo.com/399733860
Video from a Dr in New york in a zoom call to family and threads with useful info on how to stay safe during this outbreak.
Also an article about Covid-19 and water from Surfrider.org
https://www.surfrider.org/coastal-blog/entry/covid-19-and-beach-water-qu...

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Craig commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 4:41pm

There's a little turquoise button that we've had for a while now that does all the scrolling for you.

"New Comments" and then "Next".

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blackers commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 5:07pm

So thats what that does..................

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Westofthelake commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 5:08pm

Best invention ever!

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Craig commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 5:10pm

You guys weren't aware! Wow ha.

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maddogmorley commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 5:14pm

What little button? Only on mobile? I just use Ctrl-End.

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Craig commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 5:15pm

These..

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maddogmorley commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 5:16pm

Ohhh....I got so used to Ctrl-End i never noticed those before.

Haha cheers Craig!

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Westofthelake commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 5:33pm

Haha I was aware since the first day they were introduced. Loove that little button. NEXT!

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mikehunt207 commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 9:16pm

Thanks Craig, hadnt noticed that either, going to save me some time from the back scroll trying to find latest comment thats for sure- good idea!

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Walk around G commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 6:19pm

I'm pretty hesitant too actually comment on a SW thread atm, you know, with all the covid-19, keyboard warrior, full-on attack syndrome which is coming from bloody both sides of the coin etc.
But I have been thinking about this f%@€ing virus, does anyone know if it's possible to contract the virus via Mosquitoes or Marchflies and the like?? When you think of how Dengue Fever and Malaria are a scourge on certain communities, could this be another form of transmission we should be thinking about??

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glennod commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 8:44pm

To quote Norman Swan (Dr and ABC journalist)..... No, Mosquitos carry parasitic organisms such as you listed ,not coronaviruses.
You can however contract coronavirus from touching the bowser at the petrol station when you fill up your car for that surf which was non essential , even if you didn't catch it you could shed some virus at the petrol station which could spread the virus. You could be asymptomatic at that point. Even if hundreds of people touched that handle over the next few days and only one other contracted it but they didn't socially distance and spread it to 10 people who spread it to many more. You could be responsible for an outbreak within your community.
Thats why you need to stay at home.
This is hard. I love surfing. I'm also a registered nurse in an Emergency Dept of a country hospital. I don't want to start a community outbreak..... for as much as I love surfing, I love my family and friends my work colleagues...my community more
. We don't know the extent of community spread because we haven't been testing for it yet. We will have a better idea in the weeks to come It will be a reflection of what we did or didn't do yesterday, today or in the next week.
So...I won't be surfing even though I could easily find a wave well away from others and meet the governments criteria for social distancing. Eventually I'll need more fuel and thats another touchpoint for potential spread. If all the surfers in my area decide to keep surfing thats hundreds of touchpoints for increased spread even if they strictly socially distance when they get there
Instead I'll get some exercise on the TRX, skateboard on the driveway, play guitar meditate..... then go to work
At work I'll try to get used to the new and increasing tension between colleagues, looks of fear in patients eyes, the absurd amount of times I'm washing my hands... Its like we've all been taken from a fun surf at a beachie and forced to paddle out at mavericks on 5'10"s and the first set is on the horizon.
Please think about COVID19.....but don't worry about mozzies
Please wash your hands and don't touch your face
Please stay at home unless its essential, surfing isn't ......at least until this thing flattens out. What you do now matters a lot and could influence how long it is till your friends get back to work, when surfing is freed up again etc..
Thanks

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velocityjohnno commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 10:47pm

Thank you Glennod. Be safe, we appreciate what you do, I will try not to look too afraid next time I have to go in. Cheers J

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simba commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 7:33pm

Vic local turn on a current affair now 7.20 mate then you can a apologise you arrogant fuck stain...its all about the chinese raiders .......you remember dont you ..twit

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Robo commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 7:37pm

Haha just saw that, viclocals chonka mates well and truly busted.

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ringmaster commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 7:56pm

Yeah.....I watched it too. Makes me fucken angry. Our country bends over for that nation for one reason only. The fact that they are the biggest market place on the planet as there's about 1.2 billion of em.

They already own or have long term leases on substantial chunks of Australia and it beggars belief how this situation is allowed to continue. Not that you'd want to, but they don't allow us the same concessions there.

How the fuck are they allowed to pillage our supplies of essential resources and ship them back to China???

As a generalisation they're a nation of cruel, self absorbed, greedy environmental rapists.

There......I said it. Yes, I'm a racist in this instance.

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velocityjohnno commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 10:49pm

The lease at Darwin port... wtf were our guys thinking??

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Eugene Green commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 12:54am

All good mate Chinese is not a race anyway it’s a nationality.

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saltyheaven commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 7:44pm

I didn't read all the comments, sorry team.

Ben, would you consider putting a banner on the forecast/report page for any beach that is officially closed making this clear?
Two beaches near me (Roaring and Eaglehawk) are both officially closed to access entirely as part of the complete closure of all National Parks and reserves in Tas. It would be worthwhile if even a few people saw that the beach was closed before driving a long way to get here.
Cheers.

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Current Affair commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 7:47pm

A Current Affair - The last bastion of truth. I don't know what your argument is but anyone using a Current Affair as evidence is bringing a very small knife to a gunfight.

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bluediamond commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 8:20pm

haha. Nailed it.

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ringmaster commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 8:41pm

Yeah, I half watched that story as it came on after the sport/ weather while I was dishwashing of all things. As usual they were just reporting on something that has already been documented elsewhere.

What's your opinion of the Chinese/ Aus relationship'A Current Affair'?

Im genuinely interested.

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 8:51am

Ha Ha. I just watched that story (I should say two stories rolled into one) on ACA. What a complete joke. You blokes will fall for anything.
Intro: Tracy sounding all serious. Cue the scene-setting evil music they have on file.
Reporter: Standing next to empty toilet paper shelves, then going into a tiny Chinese owned, lowly stocked convenience store saying shit like Australians can't find these essential products (It was about 10 bottles of Toilet King dunny cleaner). Faaaaaark How guilty is that shop assistant selling bowl cleaner!!!
The bulk of footage was entirely about mum/dad chinese daigou shoppers buying powdered milk, and taking it to a collection point for export. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH C-19, and ACA have been running that exact same story on high rotation for a few years.
It's a staple, including the poor hard-done by Aussie banger who is guaranteed to say the right things. "They shouldn't be allowed to do it" "It's our country" "Aussies are going without" etc etc
ACA really didn't have enough content, and the Chinese daigou beat up was so flimsy, they padded it out with a months old story about Chinese Property Developer buying up medical supplies to ship to China. Two totally unrelated stories except for the ethnicity of the subjects.
Remember folks, the shipment of medical goods happened when Wuhan was in full crisis mode, and medical experts where saying act hard and act fast. And who sold the property developer the medical equipment? That's right, good old Aussie companies and stores. But don't expect ACA to have a go at them. Ethnic moral panics simply rate better. It's why ACA go after the Chinese daigou shoppers purchasing tins of powdered milk rather than Aussie dairy farmers and Canadian Dairy multinationals who ship exactly the same product to China by the ship load not the can load.
And finally, do you blokes seriously think the purchasing/shipping of medical supplies to C-19 hotspots only works in one direction? Do you blokes seriously believe the good old Aussie government and good old Aussie companies aren't scouring China's warehouses and factories for the same medical equipment? Maybe a little less ACA is needed. If you want a fascinating read about China, try The New Silk Roads by Peter Frankopan. You'll discover exactly where this nationalist bullshit in previous super powers is going. I will give you a hint. China is very much taking advantage of Trump's "America first" agenda. On some occasions this has been beneficial to other countries, on other occasions, China has saddled nations with a huge amount of debt. Given the current crisis, those debt levels are hurting both lender and borrower.
Give ACA a rest, you'll only learn bitterness there.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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simba commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 7:59pm

well its a bigger one than vic dickheads

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Jessiadams commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 8:01pm

ABC 7pm news bulletin had mayors for both Bass Coast and Surf Coast shires looking very upset and dumbfounded over what happened this weekend.
People still flocking to holiday destinations because the messaging around isolation hasn't been clear.
Next thing G.O.R and the bridge to Phillip Island to close for locals only.

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WarriSymbol commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 10:15pm

So San Remo locals get Powlett all to themselves?

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Jessiadams commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 11:25pm

It's not about the surf... It's about the virus and stopping it's spread. If surfers spread the virus, then they will be stopped. Just like beach goers.

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Onetreehill commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 8:21pm

Sounds fair.

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bluediamond commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 8:50pm

I'm an original Vic Local, but not the type you'd wear as a badge of pride. Grew up in Melbourne's SE suburbs, Dandenong South of all fucken places, in the 80's,...rough joint mate, rough as guts and poor. We had Vietnamese, Albanians, Russians, Somalians..fuck the Somalians were scary back then... As a white Aussie i was targeted alot, being in the minority in my area, probably only 5percent of us were Australians. Would get called Skippy, had alot of fights in school because i was different (White Australian). Strange way to grow up in 'your own' country, but there were way more upsides to it, cultural awareness....but an understanding of tolerance and what it feels like to be an outsider and invaluable life lessons. I understand people call out racism cos i hate judging someone on their skin colour or country of origin too, but i also believe that racism can be a convenient word, in place of culture clash and ignorance and there's layers in everything. If we all just actually tried to fucken talk to each other, with an open heart and a smile on your face, you'll quickly see there are no races, only people. Also, and this goes to all the Chinese haters.. i also have Chinese friends. Very good Chinese friends. They're nice people, i see their flaws, no different to mine, i see their strengths, and i'm generally, not envious but...can't think of the word, but somewhere between envy and awe. I'm not sure i'd rush to judge the actions of the Chinese population based on the actions of the CCP. There is a vast difference. People overseas may judge us on the actions of Scum mo, Howard and Abbot. So yeah, i dunno, i just think people need to recognise that all other people are just that, people, and don't get carried away in the generalisations of a 'race' that's different to your 'race'. Be the love, share the love.

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NDC commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 10:08pm

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mikehunt207 commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 9:29pm

The race that made the world sick and then wait for it went on a buying binge and bought the fuck out of everything in Australia (like they have been with first baby formula,then farmland, half of Tassie, best real estate in Sydney, houses everywhere , then medicines/protective equipment, asthma inhalers , now food from country towns) and next will be the bargain basement real estate sell off in 6 months when we are on our knees in a recession/ depression after this virus cuts though our country. Mapping submarine routes of the north west coast only weeks ago (just out of Aussie waters) is even more sinister but hey stick you head in the sand and keep on sticking up for them. Chinese people may be great, the Chinese Government is going to fuck the world up.

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bluediamond commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 10:28pm

"thie race that made the world sick...blah.."...next minute "Chinese people may be great, but the Chinese Government is going to fuck the world up"....which is exactly what i was kinda getting at. So i don't get your point, except for wanting to bleat like a sheep.

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mikehunt207 commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 12:18am

Rainbows and Unicorns Skip.

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bluediamond commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 12:39am

Can't back up your statement? ? Come on. You wanna throw poison...back it up.

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mikehunt207 commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 12:54am

Opposite skip, I dont mind Asians, spent a lot of time there,over the years. I just dont trust China one little bit ,if they hadnt bullshitted the world so much we wouldnt be in the shit situation we are in, no matter what you or Vic local (or are you vic local using a second monkier -quite probably) have to say in its defense.

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bluediamond commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 1:02am

haha. Oh dear. Maybe get a translater to re read my original post, my second post and my third post,....And who the fuck is Vic Local??

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bluediamond commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 1:04am

*translator. Fuck i hate grammatical errors

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bluediamond commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 1:15am

*spelling! Ferk!!

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Jessiadams commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 8:17am

I bet you were one of those who back in December when shit hit the fan in China, lock down was inforced and doctors pleaded for the world to take notice, sat on your arse and said it's another media beat up.

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bluediamond commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 11:01am

Sorry, What would you have liked me to do in December exactly?? . I think it goes alot deeper than a media beat up, but for now i'll do the right thing, sit on my arse and stay away from people. Not really sure what your point is either.

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Jessiadams commented Wednesday, 1 Apr 2020 at 8:24am

Sorry bro wasn't replying to you.
Mikehunt and his conspiracy and lack of trust.
It's strange living in a world with uncertainty huh Mikey. Just sit back, relax and count your blessings mate.

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bluediamond commented Wednesday, 1 Apr 2020 at 6:31pm

Ahh shit. Apologies. I actually thought that afterwards. Cheers and well said.

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mikehunt207 commented Wednesday, 1 Apr 2020 at 11:40pm

No Jess, Ive been a believer that this virus was serious since day one. Been onto it since China got serious with their action, since that doctor/ whistleblower who died was silenced. You could prob track back comments to prove this if you can be bothered. Ready as I can be too. I have to admit I didnt see the toilet paper thing coming but I had bought food, fishing gear and sorted my work/ finances long before many. Sorry if that disappoints you . I may have serious doubts about China and its motives toward us now and in the future but I,m not a hypocrite. How about you? Mondays experts abound.

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Jessiadams commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 1:13pm

No dramas Mikey. Some folk like blame everything else for the problems of the world. Or in particular a select group of people: Chinese, Jewish, Muslim.
In your case China.

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Blowin commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 1:27pm

And some people choose to overlook the bad actions of a nation because they don’t want to appear racist.

Makes you wonder how the world would have fared in 1939 if that thinking had been prevalent.

“ You just don’t like Hitler because he’s German ! “

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Jessiadams commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 2:33pm

Blowie that's not what I'm saying mate. Senselessly blaming and scapegoating a select group of people can lead down a shady paths much like the one you allude to with Hitler. Pretty loopy and shortsighted.

Of course don't overlook the actions of a nation. We have conventions, international law and agreements for that.

However, comments that directly linking the outcomes of global pandemic to the Chinese govt, based on very little evidence, is a conspiracy and don't add any value to the discussion on this thread.

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wally commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 9:32pm

The Betoota Advocate reckons that the situation is so uncertain that some people are looking at postponing their Christmas in July parties until later in the year, probably to some time in late December.

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mikehunt207 commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 9:30pm

and being able to say " I told you so" wont be worth jack shit when we are watching the results..

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Coaster commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 10:06pm

Your banner note indicates that surfers shouldn’t travel to the surf by car. Then it suggests that surfers shouldn’t hang around the car park. Why would a surfer hang around the car park if they walked to the surf from their home?

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velocityjohnno commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 10:53pm

Paging Gary G...

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indo-dreaming commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 9:24am

It doesn't indicate that you shouldn't drive cars, if you live near the beach traveling by car is the safest way you can travel in regard to the virus.

My local is 10-15 minutes walk, 5 minutes bike ride or 2 minutes in the car, doesn't mean i can't drive.

As the government has said you shouldn't be traveling out of the area you live because we don't want the virus spreading.

So how far should you or should you not travel for a surf?

Well that is up for debate but IMHO you shouldn't be traveling further than you would for other reasons like getting fuel or going to the supermarket, because that is obviously in the area you live your life.

BTW at lots of place's the carpark overlooks the waves and are often the spot you check the surf from and in normal times becomes a social place, hence the recommendation on not hanging in carparks.

Please Stunet give me an ignore button for Talking Turkey, Shatners Basoon, Dale Cooper, Factotum, Pupkin, and any new fake profile he decides to create.

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Coaster commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 9:24pm

If you have to drive a car to the beach you don’t live near the beach. It sounds like you live in the next suburb, and you’ve tried hard to come up with some reasons that allow you to fit within the criteria.

Driving a car isn’t the safest way to travel, walking is; the road toll statistics say so.

Surfers who drive to the surf hang around the car park for obvious reasons; the ones that walk to the surf don’t need to go there.

The message, while trying to be different to the numerous other messages about Covid-19, contains a hint of localism.

And now the rules have changed again, so you’ll have to walk there if you want to surf, or run the risk.

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mattlock commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 10:07pm

Cannot trust the CCP. They drove tanks over their own people.

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Current Affair commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 10:24pm

Cheers Ringmaster - I think the relationship has much bigger problems than showing (I'm assuming) Daigiou stores selling milk formula. Other than that I am with Blue Diamond, people are people. The more exposure you have to whichever group of people, the more you understand this. Friends from Echuca have told me that there were bus loads of tourists going there to go shopping. Trust me they would have pointed out an Asian if there was one amongst the group. This virus is horrible and it is going to get much worse. I can walk to the beach but I will not surf. I appreciate Glennod's post as I think this is what we really need right now. Stay safe everyone.

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Horas commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 12:03am

Australia,March 30, 2020
Active cases- 3983
Mild condition-3955. =99%
Serious or critical-28 = 1%
Deaths -18 ,work the % out yourself.

Horas

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 10:00am

What were the figures 30 days ago? And what do you think they will be a month from now? I will give you a hint. Look to Italy and Spain for guidance.

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epictard commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 10:38am

This was discussed in another thread.

We are not on a trajectory anything similar to Italy or Spain, and to suggest that we may be shows a gross misunderstanding of the populations that you are attempting to compare.

Our first cases appeared several days before Italy. Suggesting we look to it as an example of what will happen here is incredibly misleading and plain wrong.

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Blackdog commented Wednesday, 1 Apr 2020 at 12:33am

Your formula doesn't not work out. Look at how many cases have actually be transmitted on Australian soil. Not too many! Most cases of infection in Australia is from the FUCK WITS who were still overseas when a global pandemic is going on and then decide to come home with some extra baggage to share around! And then we give them a pat on the back and send them to a flash hotel for there efforts! yet we are still letting them in....These are the people that we should be most pissed with.
Its gunna make scomo's figures look real good!

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Horas commented Monday, 30 Mar 2020 at 11:56pm

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom.It is the argument of tyrants ;it is the creed of slaves."

William Pitt the Younger
Speech in the House of Commons
18 November,1783

Horas

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Current Affair commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 8:30am

Horas - Billy Pitt the Younger exploited and repressed India, Haiti and so on to the nth degree in the name of British rule and then basically drank himself to death.
Look at the posts from the health workers. Are their freedoms not being impinged upon? Italy overnight 101,739 +4,050 11,591 +812 new deaths including health professionals.

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wambam commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 5:34am

Thanks swellnet.
FROM A SURGICAL ENROLLED NURSE ACUTE CARE South Oz.
I'll continue my subscription for as long as I can. Keep the cams going. They'll be a welcome distraction and morale boost.
I'll be going to and from work ONLY other than for essential supplies.
MY ROUTINE WHEN ROSTERED:
Leave home in clean scrubs. Drive to work. NO STOPS. Park car and change into work shoes. Gel hands. Enter hospital start shift. Strict hand hygiene, infection control and PPE compliance all shift. Mindful not to touch face even when hands are percived to be clean. Trust me they are probably not. Finish shift with thorough wash of entire arms using soap and water. Wipe shoes with disinfectant wipes wearing gloves. Remove gloves. Gel hands. Walk back to car. Remove shoes and place in plastic box. Gel hands. Put driving shoes on. Gel hands. Drive home. NO STOPS. Enter home from side gate rear of house and strip to undies at laundry door. Wash cloths on highest temp immediately. Wipe controls of washing machine with disinfectant. Gel hands. Shower immediately. Eat, sleep, repeat. This is my new life. Days off are spent in self isolation at home with my wife, adopted nephew and son practicing social distancing even within our own home. My wife is also a nurse but in aged care. DOUBLE TROUBLE!! We are thinking of setting up our camper in the front yard so that we don't have to enter the house. We are aiming to shower and change before we come home. It's all about breaking the chain of infection. Still no guarantee that I won't bring the bug home and infect the family but I have to try. Make no mistake about it. This Covid 19 is a deadly killer much like the Spanish flu that killed more people than all deaths from WW1, WW2 and all wars that have followed combined. What the general public does not see is the invite only nursing groups that have recently popped up from around the globe. Dont panic! PLEASE JUST STAY HOME AND FOLLOW GOVERNMENT ADVISE. IT WILL SAVE LIVES. I am grateful to still have a job to go to but I'm terrified to still have a job to go to.
Cheers

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jelli commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 6:11am

Brave souls you lot. Thank you.

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Rick Snowden commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 8:50am

Cheers, Ben!

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savanova commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 8:50am

I would never put myself in the same league as those on the front line fighting this virus. There's also another layer of essential services out there, Utilities, Dept of Human Services, transport drivers supermarket attendants. The school's are being kept open so we can still provide for you lot and all the resources are going to the home schooled kids but my kids are still going to school with 6 other kids and aren't learning anything due to social distancing rules. If this goes on for 6months my kids will have to repeat through no fault of their own. STAY HOME YOU SELFISH CUNTS.

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 10:10am

Just got back from my daily exercise routine (a walk from home) that is consistent with government guidelines and physical isolation principles. Beach carparks are packed and so are the lineups. What a fucking joke. The "don't travel to exercise" message is clearly being ignored.
There's a large number of Covid 19 cases that are directly linked to US and European ski resorts and the selfing behaviour of skiers. Surfers are no better.
Enjoy your surf arseholes, you won't be feeling so happy about it at Nanna's funeral.
Here's a little sobering reading for surfers who still think it's OK to travel to the beach for a wave.
https://snowbrains.com/idaho-ski-county-most-cases-outside-new-york-city...

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Bnkref commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 10:33am

If you were to hazard a guess, what proportion would be from Torquay or the surrounding areas?

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 10:47am

Hard to tell from just the cars. Saw a few JJ / Torquay board riders club stickers and a few Melbourne car dealer stickers. Most of the surfers I saw I didn't recognise. Here are the crowd numbers. Main peak JJ 30, Bird Rock 10 and it was poo. Sparrows/Caulders 30+. Carpark overflowing out into the street. Steps busy but I was too far away to count.
I have no doubt Boobs / Winki / Bells etc would have been even busier. Embarrassing.

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ringmaster commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 12:12pm

My car has a Melbourne car dealership logo on it's number plates. No other stickers etc. on it. I live 150 metres from the Jan Juc cliffs.

Don't 'assume' too much....

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 1:00pm

Can I assume you're not a lazy bastard and don't drive to the surf?

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ringmaster commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 1:06pm

I'm currently not driving anywhere unless it's 'essential' as per Dan's instructions.

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 1:08pm

Well played. You're part of the solution ringmaster, not part of the problem.

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Robo commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 10:49am

Nice try, going for a surf is a bit different than staying in a ski resort lol.

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Bnkref commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 11:09am

Thanks VL.

Disappointing to hear there's so many still hitting it (regardless of where they travelled from).

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soggydog commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 11:11am

Hey Robo, if you don’t move the virus doesn’t move. Stay the fuck at home. For health workers sake.
If you can’t play golf with more than one other person what makes it ok to surf with 10+ people. Stay the fuck at home.

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Robo commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 11:16am

I surfed on my own lol, and golf is just BS anyway.

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Blackdog commented Wednesday, 1 Apr 2020 at 12:42am

Good on you vl! Go for a walk to somewhere you know is going to be over subscribed!
Keep up the good work by doing your bit and being the +1!

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GuySmiley commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 10:32am

This morning the swell is up on the MP so I checked what's open and what's not. The Shire of Mornington (SoM) does not have control over the ocean side but all other beaches controlled by the SoM, including all beaches in Westernport Bay, are now under Stage 3 lockdown and are closed to swimmers, walkers and surfers (as advised this morning by SoM).

A big shout out to all the knuckleheads (surfers and non-surfers) that flooded the MP last weekend and fucked it up for everyone. Youse will have to just social gather at Dan's from now on

https://www.theage.com.au/national/liquor-stores-impose-booze-limit-from... ...... only in Australia

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billythekid commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 10:45am

The fact is if you drive a few minutes to the beach, park, lock your car, get in the water and surf without touching anyone or being less that 1.5m then there’s no issue. Stop virtue signalling vic local - you said before that you go for bike rides it’s no different .

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stylemaster1970 commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 10:59am

Not aware of the limit of 3 for gatherings? It's very different. Have a look at the Lorne Point cam right now.

If you argue with a fool long enough you will lose sight of who the fool really is........

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 11:15am

Bike rides no different? That’s bs and you know it. I rode 50km Through farmland the other day and the only thing I touched from the moment I left my place to the moment I got back was handlebars. Surfers down here aren’t just going for a surf. They are travelling together, buying coffees, sitting in lineups, filling up petrol tanks, grabbing hand rails, grabbing straps to tie down boards, sharing wax and sunscreen etc. bike riding is like going for a walk around the block but even more remote.

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billythekid commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 1:47pm

Vic local I went for a surf this morning and I didn’t touch anything except my car, my board, the water, and myself - but not in that way you dirty bastard! Nothing wrong with that . It’s exactly the same as your bike ride where you didn’t touch anything. Oh, and I was the only person in the water

Just had lunch and I’m going back for another one

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 2:22pm

That's all well and good, but what happens if you're from out of town and you need to have a crap? Don't know of anyone who can aim well enough to shit over a stall door. (Maybe Gary G, but I'm tipping that's beyond everyone else.)
The reality is, the further a surfer travels, the more likely they are going to touch things. And if you're coming from a hotspot, the more likely you are to transport the virus. Travelling surfers are also going to need more resources, (petrol food coffee wax etc) and create more rubbish (which needs disposing of). All this mean other people need to make journeys to service someone else's surfing habits. It just all adds up.

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Robo commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 10:47am

Definitely more surfers around in Coffs now, Not hard to paddle down the beach and get a bank to yourself though.

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Frodge commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 10:52am

Rules are, gatherings of no more than two - it's simple.
So yes if you want to justify how close you are to the beach etc etc, go for it - but i'm sure we can all count. 1 + 1 =?????
Looking at Lorne on the cam now - pretty sure i count more than 2,

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billythekid commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 1:59pm

A gathering is an organised congregation; if people are randomly in a place together it’s not a gathering. As long as they stay at least 1.5m apart then it’s fine.

At my local beach today there are probably 100 people walking on the beach. But they’re spread out and apart and they’re not a group - all duos or mums with a kid or two- so it’s not a gathering

Surfers in the lineup haven’t organised amongst themselves to be there and meet- they’re individuals who happen to be in a location . That’s fine as long as they stay apart.

Let’s not overthink it- just stay away from people, don’t touch stuff, follow the guidelines and it’s all good. We can’t have rules for every little circumstance. I mean, if I wanted to live in the UK I would

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Frodge commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 2:14pm

Bondi last week was random people, why was that frowned on?
What about Addis on Saturday, also randos, which also was frowned on. Many more examples that you don't need to look hard to find.......
I think your trying to find a way, like many to justify the ability to continue to surf.
I feel for you, the idea of being months out of the water kills me, but it has to be done.
You only had to look at the camera, as per my post to see 1.5M was clearly not being applied at Lorne this morning. No doubt a lot of places around Torquay and on the SC today were just the same.
Before stage 3, i was happy to continue surfing (social distancing adopted) - but now, just suck it up and stay home (unless your lucky enough to live next to a beach / break that you can score to yourself.)
Finally 100s on the beach this morning - if we keep this up, stage 4 will come even quicker and we'll be more restricted than now.

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maka2000 commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 10:58am

Shut the BOM and rest of meteorology and seismic services, let's the planet flow into unknown , if tsunami happens then fuck it, We are all not gonna die eventually but not from covid19 .

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old-dog commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 11:00am

I just got sent home from work because we have been notified that some prick with covid 19 came into our showroom last week. I came past the mid coast on the way home and every break is packed and I couldn't even get a park. With all the hipsters out of work ever day is like a Sunday. Man buns, twin fins, logs and dual cabs, plus young blondes posing everywhere. Cheers.

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stylemaster1970 commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 11:03am

$1600 fine if you are caught going out if you don't need to.

If you argue with a fool long enough you will lose sight of who the fool really is........

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loungelizard commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 11:05am

the narrative that isolated and pristine coastal towns are under threat from easter tourists is misleading and a little dangerous. SA's own victor harbor aka god's waiting room is begging people not to come, probably right but for the wrong reasons. it is already a proven corona hot-spot. where do you think all those retirees holiday? full-marks for cruise-ships, pass for Bali. don't let your guard down , you don't want people coming for easter? "stay the fuck inside' the major threat is from within "been on a cruise recently?"

and as for tourists (let alone van loads of marauding Chinese) stripping regional supermarkets , too late, the locals have stripped them already, byo toilet paper.

cactus as refuge? too late, full of grey nomads , barely room to throw a swag . as well as a biblical fly plague (worst in memory) you'd be safer and a whole lot more comfortable almost anywhere

and to swell net team, keep up good work

and vic local, I don't see "smiley-in-the-brine", you seem a very angry person

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juegasiempre commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 11:46am

Good points but why do grey nomads go to Cactus? I'm planning on doing the big lap next year, with Cactus as a stop solely because I surf. I wouldn't have imagined that anyone would go there except surfers.

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loungelizard commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 11:59am

most just doing the loop around oz and not too many other camping options around I think, bit of fishing for mulloway . it surprises me too, without surf I wouldn't go there for quids. most of the semipermanent leaseholders seem to be in situ at the moment so theres still plenty of company in the surf...

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jayet-010 commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 11:08am

#staythefuckathome#

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jayet-010 commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 11:10am

And Swellnet ... stop encouraging people ... take down the forecasts, keep the cams and put up more content for us to read and watch while at home ... simple

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Robo commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 11:24am

Updated: 2020-03-31 08:28:00
Surf: clean 2-3ft E
Winds: Light WNW
Weather: fine and sunny
Rating: 5/10
Looking really fun on the coast for the size of the swell. 2-3ft with peaks all over from the east so spread out across the open beaches.

Spread out, good advice :)

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stylemaster1970 commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 11:29am

Yep another for taking the forecasts down. Happy to still pay my subscription. Happy to pay 2 years in advance if that helps. Vicco looks like we are going to be in for a big swell event soon. Forecast will tempt people to surf when we have been told to stay at home unless essential.

If you argue with a fool long enough you will lose sight of who the fool really is........

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views from the ... commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 11:33am

Think global not local!
In the finest of Aussie traditions shouldn't there be a bit of light hearted wagering over the final numbers?
The Italians and Spanish have come out hard early.
But the French don't like to be outdone.
The Germans are holding back for a late rally.
The Americans want to win everything.
The Indians could be a dark horse.

Anyone else? ...

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epictard commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 12:29pm

The race is rigged.

No way will we ever get true numbers from either the 3rd world or major Communists. India would have to be a front runner if real numbers came out, but they will never know so how will we.

Stick to the 1st world countries. With Italy having the 2nd oldest population, with Japan the oldest. Japan also has a population density >1.5 times that of Italy. For those looking at median rather than mean, Germany sneaks up between Italy and Japan into 2nd here.

Spain has a lower average age, and much lower population density; they'll run out of potential deaths before Italy or Japan even get warmed up, so they're out.

The US has a considerably younger demographic, and the population is also more dispersed. If we are comparing percentages then I think that USA are out of the race, if we are comparing raw numbers then they have a chance.

Is the bet on hard numbers, or overall percentage of the population?

At the moment I am going for Italy on percentage, because Japan seem to have it under control or are not publishing. On sheer quantity, and removing the 3rd world and communist countries, I am not sure how well USA will manage the situation ... could still be Italy. Either way Italy is fucked; already very close to 0.02% of the entire population is dead attributed to coronavirus in the last month. I do not for one second envy anyone in Europe at the moment. Hopefully this has not dulled the light-hearted nature of your post.

What odds are you taking on Italy?

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epictard commented Saturday, 4 Apr 2020 at 11:37pm

Spain is having a horrible time of this. I do not understand why; Spain has a younger population, with better air quality than Italy. They have a slightly higher smoking rate. Could it be something as obvious?! I don't think so, but then again I have no idea but the numbers presented hold no indication.

1 in 5 tested in Italy is positive, 1 in 3 in Spain ... I don't see how Spain is having such a horrible reaction.

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ringmaster commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 12:23pm

Yep.

The Chinese are the course stewards. They will be waiting at the finishing post with a massive screen and and high powered rifle to put all the race entrants out of their misery.

China wins by 1.2 billion heads!

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kooklife commented Wednesday, 1 Apr 2020 at 5:32am

I know you guys are trying to keep it light but you are joking about peoples lives......have some compassion and show some decorum....this is not a horse race!!!

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epictard commented Wednesday, 1 Apr 2020 at 10:42am

If you can't find some way to make a critical situation light-hearted then you may as well give up now Kook. It's how humans have coped with crisis since the beginning of time to stave off the reality and inevitable mental anguish.

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justinrizzari commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 11:47am

Surfing is no different than going outside for 'exercise' or walking the dog. Even going out to get essentials (i.e. food) puts someone at more risk than going down to the local (either walking or in their car alone) and having a short surf session. This morning was fairly crowded (as per normal for a day like today) but even without COVID-19 surfers are generally 1.5m away from each other. All this talk about surfing being different than any other form of exercise is just a farse. Everyone has their vices when it comes to what keeps them physically fit. If you say surfing is not allowed as a form of exercise you have to ban everything else too. Reckon people should just quit whinging, take responsibility for their own actions and smile and say hello (from a distance). Peace.

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jayet-010 commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 12:51pm

I doubt the 1.5m applies in water ... could be more, could be less. Either way you shouldn't be surfing with a crowd ... if only for the perception and increasing the likelihood of beaches being shut.

This has been posted before: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.surfline.com/surf-news/surfing-coronavi...

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I focus commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 12:12pm

Hey Ben thanks for the site and all the work you and crew put in.

This thread alone is brilliant and represents how unique your site is,
It's so rare in these days of confected service oriented niceties as we become Americanised bit by bit great to see a ding dong discussion warts and all.

As for the cams and forecasts carry on and tell naysayers to just fu(k off everyone one has to pay the rent and in these days that's getting harder or impossible.
We need places like this to come to so whatever its takes to stay open then that's OK.
You are very much an essential service.

As for all the points raised pretty much all are valid or have a touch of truth to some degree all be it conflicting.

Vic Local dont always agree but so glad you turn up and thanks for holding the line on racism.

Right now there is far more at stake than surfing hope everyone and their love ones stays safe remember the virus kills all ages albeit in lower percentages just dont think it won't be you a large chunk of middle age end up in hospital / ICU although you may not pass many emerge with fu(ked lungs / heart......we don't want that.

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 12:26pm

Thanks I focus.
I'm the Adam Goodes of this site. Some people don't like my posts because they shine a light on their selfish, irresponsible, and racist behaviour.
I've always encouraged people to stick to, or go beyond government restrictions. If that's over-reacting, people miss a bit of surfing. Hardly a massive loss in the grand scheme of life. If the "she'll be right mate, I'm going surfing" crowd are wrong, people die.
When this is all said and done, I know which side I'd prefer be on. I don't want to be thinking about those few surf trips I made in March that may have resulted in a big old C19 hotspot on the coast in April. Stay safe peeps. Stay the fuck at home.

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Robo commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 2:04pm

what a drama queen

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ojackojacko commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 2:20pm

"Vic Local dont always agree but so glad you turn up and thanks for holding the line on racism."

hear hear

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 2:40pm

The donkey wasn’t “ holding the line on racism “ he was trying to deny the truth that organised Chinese gangs were plundering supermarkets for profiteering/ supplying the motherland.

The clown can assert what he likes . . Doesn’t alter the fact that it happened* . I went to the local supermarket , the fella checking my groceries told me about it and the girl on the next register over chimed in about it. They fucking hated it. A small town , hours from a major city with infrequent resupplying.

Actually, he can’t assert what he likes because to parrot the innocent Chinese Nationals line is playing Australia for fools.

Racism my arse. Fucking foreign nationals raping our supplies.

Wasn’t going to return to the shit fight with this clown till I saw your post. The #IamAdamGoodes line was chuckle worthy. Can just imagine him unloading into a sock whilst thinking of himself .

*Surely they can’t cruise around in packed coaster buses after the 2 people rule has come into affect ?

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Blue Blue Room commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 12:38pm

Well said "Stimpie"
To see surfers take a real stand & all just stay at home would build a great foundation for the future. When the next swell hits that is the test. At your local breaks you're going to know who the people are that you can count on during this crisis, they're the ones that stayed home. The ones that surfed, well that's epic hope you had a great surf!
We will be ultimately be judged by the next generation!
The decisions we make now will define us. Hearing what "WamBam" has to go through in her normal day, wow & wow thank you soooo much!

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jbshack commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 1:03pm

I say keep up the good work. Seeing reports daily is comforting still and its nice to know whats happening. My local has skyrocketed and the crowd factor is out of control. Im told the next phase of this lock down is you must stay in your Shire. Good bring that on i say..I've not surfed since the lock downs, simply because of the crowd factor and didn't want to have it on my conscious when it gets locked down. Let's hope common sense prevails and people start showing some constraint.

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Pops commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 1:17pm

"The NSW Public Health (COVID-19 Restrictions on Gathering and Movement Order 2020) makes it unlawful to leave your place of residence except "to obtain food or other goods and services", work and education that cannot be done from home, exercise, medical or caring reasons, and a limited number of other reasons."

Is your average grumpy cop going to accept surfing as a form of exercise? Going to be interesting to see whether anyone gets stung in the next few days. Could be the end of surfing in more populated areas in NSW for some time (I hope not!)

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/six-months-in-jail-11-000-fine-for-l...

https://gazette.legislation.nsw.gov.au/so/download.w3p?id=Gazette_2020_2...

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dawnperiscope commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 1:43pm

Just went to the supermarket.. I think we're gonna need some government intervention on avocado selection.
Would be interesting to test all the unselected avo's at the end of a day's trading.

Ride on

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Vijay commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 2:36pm

Yep, time to accept if we aren’t lucky enough to walk to a break from our house, we shouldn’t be surfing.

If we all take one for the team and abide by the restrictions the sooner we can all safely share the surf once more.
Best to respect the coastal communities and stay at home.

Even if you are being as safe as possible you just don’t know.
I went down the surfcoast on Friday and it was packed ! Tried to stick to myself and find a quiet peak. Even then it just didn’t feel right being there.

If we cannot surf for a couple months big deal. It’s better than the virus spreading through smaller communities for an unknown amount of time.
Best to stay positive and do the right thing....At least we can still go outside, walk around our local area, buy food etc etc.
We are lucky to live in a country like Aus and need to remember that.

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 2:40pm

I will just leave this link here for those blokes who still think busloads of Chinese gangs were raiding regional supermarkets (despite zero evidence). Good for a LOL.

https://theshovel.com.au/2020/03/31/busloads-of-tourists-are-travelling-...

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AndyM commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 2:49pm
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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 3:05pm

Oh FFS AndyM. Your links are meaningless. When exactly did I say the sending of medical supplies to china in February didn't happen? You won't be able to find 1 example anywhere on this thread. I even admitted it happened further up the thread. Do try and keep up.
I've always said that claims of Chinese gangs stripping regional supermarkets were complete BS. All those blokes who claim it happened haven't supplied 1 tiny bit of evidence. And your links certainly don't prove chinese gangs raided supermarkets at all. Put up some relevant evidence next time. I will wait.

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AndyM commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 3:55pm

Not arguing about the supermarkets, personally I've seen no evidence but after the medical supply pillaging I'm keeping an open mind.

But I'm glad that you acknowledge that organised Chinese groups sent scores of tonnes of medical supplies back to China and that pointing this out is not racist.

By the way, I went for a solo surf today and it was just lovely!

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 3:01pm

Great theory , Mate.

Except it happened here and I talked to the people who witnessed it.

I think it’s time you pulled your head in , mate. You are now calling me a straight out liar. I think a little get fucked might be in order in that instance.

Get fucked.

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 3:18pm

So you didn't witness it then. You just heard about an alleged incident of Chinese stockpilers through a mate. And there's no evidence anywhere that this has happened other than a couple of photos that Ray Hadley has, but isn't showing anyone.
So let me get this straight. Busloads of Chinese people have been going into supermarkets all over the place, stripping shelves in gangs, and nobody has got out a phone to video it yet. The only evidence is the photos Ray's not showing, and a bloke called Blowin (who is always banging on about closing the borders) on Swellnet, who says he talked to a mate and he said it was true.
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaa.

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Craig commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 3:07pm

Also confirmed reports of it happening in Moonta, South Australia.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 3:41pm

There’s plenty of reports.

It was just shown on TV the stockpiles of plundered goods and the treasonous fuck who is deporting it freely admitted that it was headed for China. Old mate Donkey thinks it’s enough to scoff and dismiss the source and that somehow the whole thing never happened. He saw it with his own eyes but would still have you believe it didn’t happen. That’s the sort of denialist fuckstik the CCP is counting on to allow them to continue their plunder unopposed.

But the MSM won’t confirm it cause they know that once the cat is out of the bag that there’s Chinese profiteers / fifth columnists getting around the nation- forgetting for a moment that this has already been confirmed by the medical supplies raping - then civil society will fray at the edges just that little bit more.

But fucktard here thinks that editorial omission somehow counts as proof that something isn’t occurring. No really , that’s his big argument.

He’s aiding and abetting the CCP which makes him just as bad in my opinion.

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 3:50pm

Got a link Craig? I've had a quick search of Moonta and come up blank. Just like to know how it's "confirmed". Blowin keeps pointing to irrelevant footage of powdered milk exports and medical exports that were never in dispute.
I've seen so much deeply racist accusation about stores being ransacked by Chinese hordes in buses on Facebook, I just want to see the actual evidence.

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Craig commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 3:56pm

Got relatives that live there. Not sure when (late last week or the weekend) but everything was stripped bare and they couldn't buy anything.

Not being racist just adding to the conversation.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 4:10pm

Don’t pander to the misdirection and straw man arguments of fuckbags like old mate Donkey , Craig.

It’s not racist to want to stop our limited supplies being plundered by organised members of a foreign service. The whole concept is used to quell discussion. The fuckstik in Victoria is just another nodding dog until he goes to the local shops and there’s nothing there. That’s when he’ll suddenly have a blinding revelation.....It must have been White Supremacists !

Cause dickheads like that view everything through a prism of stupidity and naivety.

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ringmaster commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 4:06pm

Do you think it's OK that organised Chinese nationals in Australia were actively shipping large amounts of OUR vital medical equipment back to China with the FULL knowledge that this virus was fast becoming a pandemic and that we would need it here very soon? Please don't respond by saying they didn't know that.

What about the Chinese government kicking and screaming (and issuing subtle trade threats) several weeks ago when Australia had the audacity to announce that they would need to temporarily halt the influx of Chinese students and other nationals due to this virus potentially spreading here. This.....with the full knowledge of what they had in their country and how lethal it was/is?

What an awesome 'ally' eh???

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 4:27pm

Works both ways ringmaster. You need a buyer (in this case a chinese property developer) and a seller of that medical equipment (an Australian company or multiple Australian companies).
You do realise we import most of our medical supplies from overseas. Much of it from India and China. Those shipments of medical supplies to China were very much against the grain. By your rational we shouldn't order any extra medication to deal with this crisis (that's what the chinese did). Good luck with that argument.
I will let you in a little secret. Australian governments and companies are scrambling for meds and equipment from overseas suppliers. I'd suggest a bigger problem is the stockpile of masks in people's homes going unused. When it comes to procuring medical supplies during this crisis, there's very little difference between us and the Chinese. Let's not forget that they sell to us a shit load more than we sell to them.

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AndyM commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 4:42pm

Fuck that’s some twisted shit.

Might be the worst false equivalence I’ve read for quite some time.

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ringmaster commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 4:45pm

There's importing..........and then there's importing.

Bit of a difference between a recognized medical product registered company doing it as opposed to Chinese national companies set up here with no link to the medical industry covertly combining their resources to quietly empty our supplies and no doubt bypassing the need to 'register' what they're doing with the relevant authorities.

As for my second point.............'crickets chirping'

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I focus commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 3:24pm

OK so Asians are hoarding................what separates them from the big problem the rest of Australia hoarding?

Oh thats right its those outsiders let's blame them and total fu(ken ignore all the other (vast majority) FFS get a gip you lot.

This is the slippery slope.

As for the Chinese back company's shipping stuff out, yes it's an issue and needs a sledge hammer fix..............but why the fuck weren't we prepared with our own manufacturing?

Because you pack of jackals, looking at you Blowin, like to buy cheap goods.

My area the shelves are empty not an Asian in sight........FFS x 2

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 3:39pm

I Focus ...I don’t think you grasp the issue. This is people who represent a foreign nation living in Australia and actively reducing Australia’s essential supplies exactly when we need them most desperately. They are agents of the Chinese government working systematically to ensure that China benefits at Australia’s expense.

This has got nothing to do with crew in Australia buying food for their homes whether they’re Asian , African , Eskimo or fucken Martian .

Does my head in how stupid you people are and to be honest I wouldn’t give a fuck if you just lead your stupid lives quietly in the background but no, you’ve got to spread your incorrect opinions all over the place like a mad woman’s shit and create all these detrimental distractions, dead ends and plain bullshit obfuscation just when our nation needs to have clarity.

Youre a pest. Fuck off with your shit.

PS ....Your shelves are empty ? So are the shelves everywhere. That is why it’s imperative to prevent the limited supplies we have from being sent to China ....get it ?

I swear there’s a couple of lorikeets outside my window which are quicker on the uptake than these retards.

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 4:11pm

"PS ....Your shelves are empty ? So are the shelves everywhere. That is why it’s imperative to prevent the limited supplies we have from being sent to China ....get it ?"
Wow blowin. We've just witnessed a massive hoarding event, where Australians en-mass emptied the shelves of supermarkets, and filled up their closets, pantries and cupboards. AND YOU THINK THE SOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM IS TO STOP PEOPLE SHIPPING STUFF FROM WOOLIES AND COLES TO CHINA.
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 4:45pm

So...Australians have food in their cupboards. They eat this food and go to buy more ....and there’s no food left.

Because foreign agents have plundered it and sent it to their homeland.

And you see nothing wrong with this.

You have a business which at least partly relies on Chinese business don’t you Vic Local ?

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mowgli commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 4:13pm

Ditto Blowin's facts, probably not the abuse...

People are so blind to just how different Chinese culture can be on certain topics, and coupled with the underlying strategy of the authoritarian CCP (i.e. replace the US as the global legal, economic and military hegemony), it's a recipe for things like this.

For an example, people may want to give even just a cursory glance to the implications of China's National Intelligence Law (2017). Companies such as Greenland Developments are doing exactly what this law intended (among other things). It's the sole reason why many intelligence agencies around the world (and I presume this is what Blowin meant) have begun classing any Chinese citizen working for a Chinese business with legal structure ties (e.g. it's a subsidiary) as potential agents of the Chinese state. And that's no small matter....

Another non-trivial matter...the CCP does and always has been of the opinion that any and all "members of the Chinese race" (regardless of whether they hold Chinese citizenship or not) should be first and foremost loyal to China....

I wish people would wake up.

“Life is a long lesson in humility.”

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I focus commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 8:36pm

"PS ....Your shelves are empty ? So are the shelves everywhere. That is why it’s imperative to prevent the limited supplies we have from being sent to China ....get it ?"

So instead of going direct to wholesalers like Chinese normally do Chinese agents are secretly stripping the food from shopping centres in plain sight.......correct?

Australia produces 4 X our requirements?

Do you think those agents could do something about all the WA crayfish that cannot be exported to China currently?

The current problems are logistics in the main there is plenty of supply.

Stop drinking and posting, we have discussed this before eh.

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tango commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 3:29pm

Lots of people in the water today making what seemed to be their maiden trip to a well-known spot in the middle of town down here.....strongly indicative of people still travelling to surf. Not uncommon to see a few you don't recognise, but at least half or more of the 25 out both I and another regular didn't know from a bar of soap. All ages. Looks like the message isn't quite cutting through.

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mr mick commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 3:48pm

ACA had a story last night on the warehouse full of stuff getting boxed up ready for shipment o/s, not that ACA doesn’t like to sensationalize stories, but the packers weren’t happy to see the cameras. On another note fella arrived back from Europe, had a week in isolation but decided that was enough, surf looks great, I’m out there. Another fella caught out doing same & fined in Far Nth NSW area, also heard 10 people were fined for not keeping distance while surfing here yesterday, police using drones. It was a great day by the way!

Mr mick

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 4:03pm

mr mick, have a look at the footage from that warehouse. It's 99% milk powder and that's been going on for years. It's got nothing to do with c-19 and it's been going on for years. ACA were just desperate to tie the milk powder story to the current epidemic because that was what the rest of the show was about. It was a very shabby beat up, even by their low standards.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 4:48pm

99 percent milk powder ?

How do you know this ?

Are you aware that you are making shit up to justify your opinion ? There’s pallets of unidentifiable boxes everywhere and yet you see no problem lying and saying that it’s all milk.

What I think fucktards like yourself don’t understand is that despite the gentle messaging from the government, supplies of all things are not guaranteed. With China slowed down and a lot of the world going into at least semi-lockdown, the growing, processing, manufacturing and packaging of many items is definitely not assured.

Global supply has become a zero sum game. If nation X gets more this means that nation Y gets less.

And you’re probably surprised that our government hasn’t told you this .

http://ergo.slv.vic.gov.au/explore-history/australia-wwii/home-wii/food-...

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mr mick commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 4:44pm

Couldn’t say if 99% milk powder as I can’t see through cardboard boxes, I know ACA beat up stories as I said, but also my stepson just had his 2nd baby in 12 months ( silly prick) but always having trouble buying formula

Mr mick

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 4:51pm

So the ACA cameras walk into a warehouse stockpiled with goods being redirected to China after being plundered from Australia.

The Chinese person in the warehouse admits this and it’s not meant to have happened because you say it’s a beat up ?

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mr mick commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 5:04pm

No I didn’t say IT was a beat up, but referring to ACA generally beat up, sensationalize stories. Also I’m guessing there’s more than 99% milk powder as I said before a bit hard to see through cardboard, maybe Vic local has Superman eyes & ‘sees’ more than us.

Mr mick

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 5:07pm

The fact that virtually the only products you saw in the footage was milk powder, and the boxes were all uniform in size was a bit of a dead giveaway the products were all the same. Box heights correspond with height of milk powder tins too.
If there were other products being shipped on a large scale the boxes would never be so uniform. Logistics 101.

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mr mick commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 8:48pm

Just revisited the ACA story & the list is as follows: medication, long life milk,food, baby formula, bathroom supplies. So maybe saying 99% formula a bit over top, plenty of different size boxes there. Just saying.

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Blackdog commented Wednesday, 1 Apr 2020 at 1:35am

Yes the Chinese have been pilfering our food stocks for years. Baby formula included. milk powder, Beef, wine, crayfish, fish. The list goes on. Look at all the Australian dairy farms brought up when the dairy farmers started doing it tough. Not to mention large cattle stations and winery's brought up by the Chinese. This all has to add to the covid shortage.
Just for the record, at one of scomos early press conferences on "the virus" he said he has put on a task force to combat privateers profiteering from selling goods brought from the supermarkets and face masks and shipping them overseas. I must admit he didn't mention china or any other country but it just goes to show it has been happening.

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Blackdog commented Wednesday, 1 Apr 2020 at 11:07am

The problem runs much deeper than just the temporary covid-19 shortage.

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Remigogo commented Wednesday, 1 Apr 2020 at 9:03pm

Much, much deeper...

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Robo commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 4:06pm

If that was true it would be all over the media?

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mowgli commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 4:04pm

A mate heard from a birdy on the inside that some beaches up this way are about to be closed.

That'll be interesting to see how that pans out. Some beaches (Noosa Main, Alex, etc) are chockas with people. But I normally surf the opens with said the misso and/or said mate. The distances people have been doing out in the water the past fortnight are probably several meters at a minimum. It seems like rather than randos paddling into a bunch of other randos, people are paddling out in small groups of mates etc and there seems to be some kind of unspoken non-mingling overlapping going on. Probably helps we've had a run of mixed-peaky swell and the banks are shaped all over the shop.

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AndyM commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 4:16pm

Personally, I hope all the young cool crew around here who are still hugging and shaking hands and hanging out in the carparks cop big fines.

I know they're all dirty on the state of the world and the only thing they have left is being cool and indifferent but they need to get over themselves.

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mikehunt207 commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 4:31pm

Same here Andy M, ok surf but big crew of the "local latinos" and their amigos that are here for the fruit picking or whatever clustered into a big group on the lawn at the point, not a mtr between any of them, guess the rules dont apply? Going to be some pissed off people if the place gets shut down cause blow ins dont give a fuck.

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AndyM commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 5:21pm

The shut down's gotta happen at some stage doesn't it?
Then it's a matter of, yeah the beaches and foreshores are closed but can we still surf?

As an aside, recreational boating is no longer permitted in Queensland.

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AndyM commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 5:31pm

"Australians in their 20s have more confirmed cases of coronavirus than any other age group"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/31/australians-in-their-20s-h...

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 5:05pm

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/mar/26/coronavirus-m...

It’s racialist to stop China from using sleeper agents to covertly plunder our limited food stocks !

What Australia REALLY needs is a fucktard who thinks he’s Adam Goodes of the Internet , to try and stop discussion about the Chinese gangs pilfering our nation’s food and medical supplies through straw man accusations of racism......said no one ever.

Vic Local probably thinks that having a defence force is racialist.

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 5:04pm

Amazing. I'd love to hear your theories on the moon landing.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 5:06pm

And I’d love to hear you shutting your lips.

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 5:08pm

You're the reason we need strong gun laws in this country.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 5:10pm

You’re the reason that treason is punishable by death.

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2020 at 5:12pm

Wow that escalated quickly. Blowin wants violence. Do I get a trial first or just a short trip in a white van?

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