Shane Dorian, Varial Foam, and the stringerless gun - interview and video

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Stu Nettle (stunet)
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The wooden stringer has been the veritable backbone of the surfboard for over half a century. In recent years there has been new takes on the stringer, such as parabolic rails, yet the concept is the same: a stiff strip (or strips) of material to support the surfboard's core.

Varial Foam take a new approach to board building. Rather than rely on a stringer as a crutch for strength they "start with a good core first" as the basis for strength and performance. The stringer, therefore, becomes unnecessary.

Varial Foam were started by Parker Borneman and Edison Conner, their goal being to build the world's most high performance surfboards. Fifty year old technology has no place in their boards, even when those boards are being ridden in the biggest waves on the planet, as evidenced by Shane Dorian riding a stringerless 9'8" during recent sessions at Jaws and also at last Friday's Eddie Aikau where he placed third.

Swellnet recently spoke to Parker Borneman from Varial Foam.

Swellnet: You say that all blanks should be stringerless, does that include 10 foot guns for 50 foot waves?
Varial Foam: When we developed Varial Foam, we wanted to eliminate variables in a foam core which negatively effect the performance of a surfboard: glue lines, varied densities with soft centres, pour lines and especially stringers. With this in focus we knew we needed to create a stronger more rigid foam which didn’t need a stringer reinforcement. It’s difficult to make something bend and not break while also being light. After achieving this, the easy part was adding more fibreglass for strength on boards which needed to hold up exceptionally well, like Shane’s 9’6” Jaws gun. 

So you were confident that serious big wave guns wouldn’t require stringers?
We were very confident that we wouldn’t need a stringer for serious big wave guns. The seven-times rigidity of Varial Foam over standard surfboard foam eliminates buckling. By doing that you’re able to use 100% of the fibreglass strength, which makes any Varial Foam board 30% stronger than a traditional foam board of the same glassing. So a Varial Foam gun will be stronger than a normal gun with the same amount of glass. It will be lighter too, so you can add even more glass and strength if desired.

Why not put a stringer in? The board, after all, is already a bit lighter by using Varial foam. Does having a stringer affect how Varial blanks perform?
There are a few reasons to not put a stinger in a Varial Foam blank. It would definitely make the board too stiff in length-wise flex. It would also vary the flex from board-to-board, as wood is naturally inconsistent. Both the addition of the stringer and glue would add unnecessary weight. The flex of the board would also break down with each use as the natural wood fibres deteriorate with each bend. Having one solid, uniform core yields great flex and strong pushback without ever losing its pop.

Stringers help compensate for the softness of foam in standard blanks, but strength should really be derived from a stronger, higher-performance core material. That’s why you never see wood stringers reinforcing advanced core materials in aerospace parts.  

Flex is being engineered into blanks these days - think about DHD’s new EpoxiCore or X-Core - how does a uniform stringerless blank perform flex-wise?
The performance of a board largely comes from the modulus - that is, the rigidity - of the core. With a stringerless, high modulus blank like Varial Foam, you get a lot of strength without sacrificing flex. With standard glassing our foam has inherent longitudinal and torsional flex that is very close to standard PU blanks with a stringer. The inherent flex properties of our foam make fast and lively small wave boards, and adds more control and responsiveness to big wave guns. Luckily we don’t have to start with a light weight EPS core and add things to it to make it perform better. You can also glass Varial Foam with polyester resin, which gives shapers a lot of options for finishing the board. It is all about starting with a good core first as the basis for performance.  

Will the smell of Varial foam be improved? A shaper I know had an olfactory nightmare after shaping a Varial blank!
Our foam does have a very unique smell which is due to our blowing agent. We use highly engineered materials in our entire process to create our foam, and the alcohol-based blowing agent isn’t something we can replace if we want to continue to make consistent, uniform blanks. We recommend using proper respirators which can filter organic vapors, but our foam is non-hazardous to work with.

Many shapers like the smell of it, so I guess it’s a personal preference.

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Lanky Dean Monday, 29 Feb 2016 at 5:33pm

Stumbled upon an older TSJ recently, Hobie Alter interview. Very interesting read to say the least. Interview really touched on the transition from balsa to p/u foam . Some funny stories.
It was mentioned that when they first shaped the pu blanks without timber stringers. the board were fine until the glassing process. When the boards without stringers were glassed, due to the length of time in the setting/curing process. Gravity was affecting the overall rocker.In some cases eliminating all rocker from the board. (gravity brings liquids to the ground in an amazing force). Given that the saturated fibreglass cloth increased the overall weight of the structure (blank). the memory of the material/mold was failing under either compressive and or tensile forces (or both) between its transition time from liquid to a solid.
Hence the stringer was incorporated into the blank mold to increase strength of the mold during the glassing process.

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stunet Monday, 29 Feb 2016 at 5:57pm

Any idea of the volume and issue LD? Wouldn't mind reading it.

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Lanky Dean Tuesday, 1 Mar 2016 at 4:14pm

Vol 18 issue 1.

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stunet Wednesday, 2 Mar 2016 at 8:38am

Cheers LD.

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caml Monday, 29 Feb 2016 at 6:44pm

Think I read that in matt warshaws history of surfing encyclopedia . Fuck its good to hear this guy talk about the stringerless blank & glass & strength . Now im reminded to stick to my plan , so many continue to suggest that stringers are beneficial & recently influenced to use thicker stringers instead of just more cloth when my friend ordered a gun . Dorian seems to be liking the gun

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blindboy Monday, 29 Feb 2016 at 9:36pm

Roy Stuart needs to get in touch with these guys as they are clearly wasting their time. Haven't they heard of "beam theory ?" LOL

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Lanky Dean Tuesday, 1 Mar 2016 at 5:04pm

Familiar with the term- centroid?

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blindboy Tuesday, 1 Mar 2016 at 8:13pm

....as in centre of mass? Not sure what the point is.

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Lanky Dean Wednesday, 2 Mar 2016 at 12:42am

Re beam theory,
Thinking the stringer may be in the centroid. creating more strength. any ideas?

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blindboy Friday, 4 Mar 2016 at 4:04pm

In anything but an asymmetrical design a central stringer would have to pass through the centroid. My point though was that Roy maintained in a previous discussion that the foam core did not influence the flex of the board and quoted "beam theory" to support his argument.

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oldman Tuesday, 1 Mar 2016 at 12:51pm

Not sure about stringerless boards. Had an 8' high volume board made that had no stringer.
When I queried the shaper he told me he used carbon fibre reinforcing and triple layer glassing.
As you would understand, duck diving was difficult due to volume and a miss timed dive in 2 foot surf (goolwa so not much power) snapped the tail right off.
My previous MC boards (same dimensions with stringer) take a flogging and still work a treat.

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sharkman Tuesday, 1 Mar 2016 at 1:22pm

Is it true that the blanks are 3 x more expensive than normal blanks?

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caml Tuesday, 1 Mar 2016 at 4:21pm

It is true that standard surfboards could be made much stronger . So it depends on if u want that or just stick with the same old shit . Like any quality product that lasts longer etc price could be more

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udo Tuesday, 1 Mar 2016 at 4:26pm

No price list for blanks on there site, the new Aluminum Honeycomb blanks looks interesting.

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stunet Tuesday, 1 Mar 2016 at 4:27pm

I asked them about those products but they couldn't say anything beyond 'they're coming soon'.

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sharkman Tuesday, 1 Mar 2016 at 4:37pm

In the USA the blanks are USD$ 170 for a small blank , which is 3 times a normal blank , just wondering about a bigger gun blank?

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Lanky Dean Tuesday, 1 Mar 2016 at 4:43pm

My house mate was the glasser/ sander for J/C hawaii for 2012/13 season.
Each gun has at least 3x6 ounce glass, top and bottom. I think Dorians actually were running 4x6 ounce on top 3x 6 on bottom , boards up to 4 inches thick. Looks like they may have scaled them down this year.
With that much glass on the board you would think i would be bullet proof.
Although whilst watching phantoms one day a broken gun washed in. Super thick glass probably 3x6 ounce top and bottom. i picked up and checked where the board snapped/ sheared. upon close inspection i realised that it had actually broken exactly on a knot that was running through the entire depth of the stringer top to bottom . basically creating a void in the stringer.

I still wonder why they insist on gluing up big wave blanks with common hardwood rather than using engineered lumber?

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caml Wednesday, 2 Mar 2016 at 9:15am

And that there is why to get lotsa cloth instead of lotsa wood to make a strong board

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bigtreeman Friday, 4 Mar 2016 at 12:40pm

Parker is on the money.
Get a piece of 6 mm ply 6 foot long x 4 inches. Flat it will flex, on edge it will not flex , push it a bit harder it will suddenly snap.
So you don't want a wood stringer. As Parker said, just used to help foam blanks which aren't strong enough.

Pity it is crap, poisonous plastic.
Crappy plastic lasts forever and is a major pollutant the world over.
Wood is good.

.... I guess it’s a personal preference.

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wellymon Friday, 4 Mar 2016 at 5:03pm

Gary Mcniell?