Australia - you're standing in it
Indigenous Australians are very much the same as non-indigenous. There are those that are quiet, live happily in peace and go about their daily lives. Then there are those that love the limelight, the cameras and soap boxes to shout their grievances, believing they are representing the many.
When I was commercial fishing in the FNQ & Torres Strait, we had a gentleman’s agreement with the Murray Island elders. (yes, the Murray Island/Maer Island that was Eddie Mabo’s home). Even though we were entitled to fish right to the islands shore, the agreement we had with the elders was we would stay 5nm away. In reality, we all stayed 10nm away from the Island and everyone was happy.
Several years later, one day, my dory fishers came back to the boat pale and shaken. They had been confronted by a group of black fellas in a tinny, yelling abuse and threatening them at spear tip to hand over all their fish.
I went to see the elders to see if there was an issue and talked about what had happened. They were rightly angry and knew nothing about it. Turns out it had been mainland troublemakers and they were dealt with accordingly by the elders. Everyone was happy again.
That’s the way I see you hiccups, and why I don’t engage with you. You are the mainland troublemaker, the soap boxer, talking about shit you really know very little about, yelling and abusing people because you can’t understand and don’t want to understand their point of view. Calling me a racist because it is all you got and as it’s your default position.
Hiccups wrote:fitzroy-21 wrote:I just don't get why people want to try and make me feel guilty for being proud of loving the country I live in and for something that happened near 250 years ago that I had absolutely nothing to do with (nor my direct forefathers).
Over the years, Australian Aboriginals are been given more and more oportunities and recognition, and rightly so, and this continues to this day. It is entirely up to them to grab those oportunities and florish, many do.
Every nation on earth has been colonised, many brutally. Some multiple times. Be it the French, Spanish, Portuguese, English etc. Changing the flag will do Sweet Fuck All, there are people out there that can never move on no matter what and will continue to pass that hate down through their spawn.
Jeez, you got a good amount of ticks on the racist talking points checklist there.
So if you were a first nations person in a country, say for example's sake, Australia, that had the flag of a nation that massacred your ancestors, on it, you'd have the same opinion ya reckon? Bear in mind that aboriginal oppression didn't stop "near 250 years ago". Some would say that's still a thing. Some.
You’re pretty quick you pull out the racist card aren’t you hiccups?
GuySmiley wrote:Sheepdog wrote:Minns-eapolis
A well deserved bone should come your way for that @SG!
There better be some meat on that bone, or Ima slap someone
Pic with this article outlines what I meant by prop @Zen, not the flag itself.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2026/feb/12/pau...
nothing makes our flag look like tawdry trash more thank a Hanson party, whether Helly or Pauline.
stunet wrote:I was wondering how many countries have their national colours - for us, green and gold - as something other than the flag's colours.
Google tells me there's only a handful: Netherlands (orange), Italy (blue), NZ (black) and us.
More curiously, especially considering representation, we've only been using green and gold since 1984.
Interesting. It's got a longer history than Jan 26 being a public holiday.
Andy, don't worry mate, we're on the same page.
goofyfoot wrote:Hiccups wrote:fitzroy-21 wrote:I just don't get why people want to try and make me feel guilty for being proud of loving the country I live in and for something that happened near 250 years ago that I had absolutely nothing to do with (nor my direct forefathers).
Over the years, Australian Aboriginals are been given more and more oportunities and recognition, and rightly so, and this continues to this day. It is entirely up to them to grab those oportunities and florish, many do.
Every nation on earth has been colonised, many brutally. Some multiple times. Be it the French, Spanish, Portuguese, English etc. Changing the flag will do Sweet Fuck All, there are people out there that can never move on no matter what and will continue to pass that hate down through their spawn.
Jeez, you got a good amount of ticks on the racist talking points checklist there.
So if you were a first nations person in a country, say for example's sake, Australia, that had the flag of a nation that massacred your ancestors, on it, you'd have the same opinion ya reckon? Bear in mind that aboriginal oppression didn't stop "near 250 years ago". Some would say that's still a thing. Some.
You’re pretty quick you pull out the racist card aren’t you hiccups?
You reckon? I'm not saying that f21 is racist either, necessarily, but those talking points come from ignorance, racism, or thinking that something's not a problem cos they're not effected by it.
edit: I'm also not trying to make anyone feel guilty about anything, including what their ancestors did.
If the aussie flag is a prop, then what's the queers for palestine flag you see hiccup waving every weekend.
Hiccups wrote:goofyfoot wrote:Hiccups wrote:fitzroy-21 wrote:I just don't get why people want to try and make me feel guilty for being proud of loving the country I live in and for something that happened near 250 years ago that I had absolutely nothing to do with (nor my direct forefathers).
Over the years, Australian Aboriginals are been given more and more oportunities and recognition, and rightly so, and this continues to this day. It is entirely up to them to grab those oportunities and florish, many do.
Every nation on earth has been colonised, many brutally. Some multiple times. Be it the French, Spanish, Portuguese, English etc. Changing the flag will do Sweet Fuck All, there are people out there that can never move on no matter what and will continue to pass that hate down through their spawn.
Jeez, you got a good amount of ticks on the racist talking points checklist there.
So if you were a first nations person in a country, say for example's sake, Australia, that had the flag of a nation that massacred your ancestors, on it, you'd have the same opinion ya reckon? Bear in mind that aboriginal oppression didn't stop "near 250 years ago". Some would say that's still a thing. Some.
You’re pretty quick you pull out the racist card aren’t you hiccups?
You reckon? I'm not saying that f21 is racist either, necessarily, but those talking points come from ignorance, racism, or thinking that something's not a problem cos they're not effected by it.
edit: I'm also not trying to make anyone feel guilty about anything, including what their ancestors did.
Normal Australians are sick to death of this bullshit mate, sooner you realise this, the better Australia will be.
Sheepdog wrote:GuySmiley wrote:Sheepdog wrote:Minns-eapolis
A well deserved bone should come your way for that @SG!
There better be some meat on that bone, or Ima slap someone
Lots of well deserved meat for you @GF!
Regarding the flag I have been in favour of replacing it for something less of a throwback to our colonial past, something more culturally significant to our first nations and I believe it will come eventually when it’s no longer a cultural wars issue BUT seeing what is happening in the US right now I think our founding fathers/principles got things pretty much right and I don’t want any tinkering around with nothing right now … in reference to @zen’s original comment ^ and @adam12’s ^^ reply was it Keating who put it on record that for him while not denigrating earlier battles and heroes the true ‘digger legend’ that we should all come together to honour was born on the Kokoda?
A quick thought on the impact of colonisation and it happening 250 years ago. The inaccurate part of that is that it's still going on today. We can look at the Native Title system and say, well we gave land back to those who could prove they previously owned it so what more do they want? Well, ongoing decisions land and water management decisions on native title land and near to it, affect that land itself and affect the lives of the Native Title holders.
Take this current example from the Daly River in NT. The Native Title holders are concerned that their land and many significant places will be negatively affected as well as their rights to use water.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-02-10/nt-high-court-singleton-station-a...
Let's say the groundwater pumping goes ahead as licensed by the govt and some of the Indigenous uses of the land and water are lost because the government prioritised fruit growing by a private company. That would be colonisation continuing today.
We've recognised that the Traditional Owners own the land. We've "given" them native title over the land (though in this case it has to be shared so it's not complete ownership), and then we've allowed water to be extracted by others in a way that negatively impacts their physical and spiritual lives. That is colonisation in a nutshell, happening today.
I'm not arguing in favour one way or another, nor am I suggesting it's straightforward or simple, but that is an illustration of how colonosation is still going on. The notion that it happened 250 years ago and everyone should get over it, or it has nothing to do with us today, does not recognise the reality of what continues.
Decisions continue to be made by our elected representatives on our behalf, that can facilitate or stop the process of colonisation. That's one reason why it continues to be a live issue for many and not only something from the past.
Good post Benski.
Hiccups wrote:goofyfoot wrote:Hiccups wrote:fitzroy-21 wrote:I just don't get why people want to try and make me feel guilty for being proud of loving the country I live in and for something that happened near 250 years ago that I had absolutely nothing to do with (nor my direct forefathers).
Over the years, Australian Aboriginals are been given more and more oportunities and recognition, and rightly so, and this continues to this day. It is entirely up to them to grab those oportunities and florish, many do.
Every nation on earth has been colonised, many brutally. Some multiple times. Be it the French, Spanish, Portuguese, English etc. Changing the flag will do Sweet Fuck All, there are people out there that can never move on no matter what and will continue to pass that hate down through their spawn.
Jeez, you got a good amount of ticks on the racist talking points checklist there.
So if you were a first nations person in a country, say for example's sake, Australia, that had the flag of a nation that massacred your ancestors, on it, you'd have the same opinion ya reckon? Bear in mind that aboriginal oppression didn't stop "near 250 years ago". Some would say that's still a thing. Some.
You’re pretty quick you pull out the racist card aren’t you hiccups?
You reckon? I'm not saying that f21 is racist either, necessarily, but those talking points come from ignorance, racism, or thinking that something's not a problem cos they're not effected by it.
edit: I'm also not trying to make anyone feel guilty about anything, including what their ancestors did.
Well yeah I do, it sounded like you were definitely pointing the racist finger at fitz, I don’t know him personally but after many years of associating with him on here I’d say he’s far from it.
Apologies if I’m wrong though and that’s not what you were implying, I’ll happily take it back if that’s the case.
goofyfoot wrote:Hiccups wrote:goofyfoot wrote:Hiccups wrote:fitzroy-21 wrote:I just don't get why people want to try and make me feel guilty for being proud of loving the country I live in and for something that happened near 250 years ago that I had absolutely nothing to do with (nor my direct forefathers).
Over the years, Australian Aboriginals are been given more and more oportunities and recognition, and rightly so, and this continues to this day. It is entirely up to them to grab those oportunities and florish, many do.
Every nation on earth has been colonised, many brutally. Some multiple times. Be it the French, Spanish, Portuguese, English etc. Changing the flag will do Sweet Fuck All, there are people out there that can never move on no matter what and will continue to pass that hate down through their spawn.
Jeez, you got a good amount of ticks on the racist talking points checklist there.
So if you were a first nations person in a country, say for example's sake, Australia, that had the flag of a nation that massacred your ancestors, on it, you'd have the same opinion ya reckon? Bear in mind that aboriginal oppression didn't stop "near 250 years ago". Some would say that's still a thing. Some.
You’re pretty quick you pull out the racist card aren’t you hiccups?
You reckon? I'm not saying that f21 is racist either, necessarily, but those talking points come from ignorance, racism, or thinking that something's not a problem cos they're not effected by it.
edit: I'm also not trying to make anyone feel guilty about anything, including what their ancestors did.
Well yeah I do, it sounded like you were definitely pointing the racist finger at fitz, I don’t know him personally but after many years of associating with him on here I’d say he’s far from it.
Apologies if I’m wrong though and that’s not what you were implying, I’ll happily take it back if that’s the case.
Hiccups said "Jeez, you got a good amount of ticks on the racist talking points checklist there."
he was calling his racist. don't apologise Goofy.
goofyfoot wrote:Hiccups wrote:goofyfoot wrote:Hiccups wrote:fitzroy-21 wrote:I just don't get why people want to try and make me feel guilty for being proud of loving the country I live in and for something that happened near 250 years ago that I had absolutely nothing to do with (nor my direct forefathers).
Over the years, Australian Aboriginals are been given more and more oportunities and recognition, and rightly so, and this continues to this day. It is entirely up to them to grab those oportunities and florish, many do.
Every nation on earth has been colonised, many brutally. Some multiple times. Be it the French, Spanish, Portuguese, English etc. Changing the flag will do Sweet Fuck All, there are people out there that can never move on no matter what and will continue to pass that hate down through their spawn.
Jeez, you got a good amount of ticks on the racist talking points checklist there.
So if you were a first nations person in a country, say for example's sake, Australia, that had the flag of a nation that massacred your ancestors, on it, you'd have the same opinion ya reckon? Bear in mind that aboriginal oppression didn't stop "near 250 years ago". Some would say that's still a thing. Some.
You’re pretty quick you pull out the racist card aren’t you hiccups?
You reckon? I'm not saying that f21 is racist either, necessarily, but those talking points come from ignorance, racism, or thinking that something's not a problem cos they're not effected by it.
edit: I'm also not trying to make anyone feel guilty about anything, including what their ancestors did.
Well yeah I do, it sounded like you were definitely pointing the racist finger at fitz, I don’t know him personally but after many years of associating with him on here I’d say he’s far from it.
Apologies if I’m wrong though and that’s not what you were implying, I’ll happily take it back if that’s the case.
If I knew/thought I was addressing a dyed in the wool racist, I would've said so, but this "Changing the flag will do Sweet Fuck All, there are people out there that can never move on no matter what and will continue to pass that hate down through their spawn", is at the very least, insensitive and reeks of, yes, I'm gonna say it, white privilege. I mean, tell someone from the stolen generation to move on and respect the Union Jack and see how that goes. This ain't an ancient colony we're living in.
sypkan wrote:oxrox wrote:burleigh wrote:fitzroy-21 wrote:I just don't get why people want to try and make me feel guilty for being proud of loving the country I live in and for something that happened near 250 years ago that I had absolutely nothing to do with (nor my direct forefathers).
Over the years, Australian Aboriginals are been given more and more oportunities and recognition, and rightly so, and this continues to this day. It is entirely up to them to grab those oportunities and florish, many do.
Every nation on earth has been colonised, many brutally. Some multiple times. Be it the French, Spanish, Portuguese, English etc. Changing the flag will do Sweet Fuck All, there are people out there that can never move on no matter what and will continue to pass that hate down through their spawn.
Well said mate
Have to agree. I don't understand why there seems like so much hate from the people who are supposedly against hate and division.
its enough to make you don a bogan cape and swan around rubbing people's faces in it...
to counter those that are treading on, burning, and disparaging generally a flag, swanning around rubbing people's faces in it...
and around it goes
around and around...
anybody 'winning' yet in this little interaction?
(seems there is actually... one side definitely losing ground anyway...)
Yep. I think it's cringeworthy personally but that is exactly why a lot of people are doing it.
burleigh wrote:If the aussie flag is a prop, then what's the queers for palestine flag you see hiccup waving every weekend.
Edit.... Aussie rag
sypkan wrote:oxrox wrote:burleigh wrote:fitzroy-21 wrote:I just don't get why people want to try and make me feel guilty for being proud of loving the country I live in and for something that happened near 250 years ago that I had absolutely nothing to do with (nor my direct forefathers).
Over the years, Australian Aboriginals are been given more and more oportunities and recognition, and rightly so, and this continues to this day. It is entirely up to them to grab those oportunities and florish, many do.
Every nation on earth has been colonised, many brutally. Some multiple times. Be it the French, Spanish, Portuguese, English etc. Changing the flag will do Sweet Fuck All, there are people out there that can never move on no matter what and will continue to pass that hate down through their spawn.
Well said mate
Have to agree. I don't understand why there seems like so much hate from the people who are supposedly against hate and division.
its enough to make you don a bogan cape and swan around rubbing people's faces in it...
to counter those that are treading on, burning, and disparaging generally a flag, swanning around rubbing people's faces in it...
and around it goes
around and around...
anybody 'winning' yet in this little interaction?
(seems there is actually... one side definitely losing ground anyway...)
zenagain wrote:I love the Australian flag. My father was buried under it. My brother wore it on his shoulder and several others in my family have died under it including at Gallipoli. You may think it's a rag Hippo and a colonial relic of the past but I don't.
And nobody howled you down about what you think, well I didn't, we just happen to differ.
And as astonishing as you may find this to believe, but i actually agree with you regarding Palestine and self determination. But i also strongly feel that nobody should have to live in fear of their lives within Australia but it seems like it's coming to that.
So my question to you again, is that how you feel about Australia? Because I love the joint even if we all don't see eye to eye.
Well said Zen, agree with everything you said. Great Uncle at Kokoda, Milne Bay, Bougainville, when it really mattered. The Flag was the flag they fought under and defended.
And also agree on two state solution for that area of land, though have my doubts peace could ever be reached there.
fitzroy-21 wrote:Fishofillet wrote:fitzroy-21 wrote:I just don't get why people want to try and make me feel guilty for being proud of loving the country I live in and for something that happened near 250 years ago that I had absolutely nothing to do with (nor my direct forefathers).
Over the years, Australian Aboriginals are been given more and more oportunities and recognition, and rightly so, and this continues to this day. It is entirely up to them to grab those oportunities and florish, many do.
Every nation on earth has been colonised, many brutally. Some multiple times. Be it the French, Spanish, Portuguese, English etc. Changing the flag will do Sweet Fuck All, there are people out there that can never move on no matter what and will continue to pass that hate down through their spawn.
Education son. History and its effects is ongoing ... We're only just starting to ask Aboriginal people about policy that affects them... many colonised countries have treaties... we don't.
@Fillet, I have spent a lot of time the past 30years in FNQ, Torress Strait and Arnhem Land. I have been welcomed on their country, shown around and developed great relationships with them.
The oportunities they have been given is amazing, whether it be living on their own land in peace, developing businesses or employment oportunities. Many of those oportunities far outway the ones I could ever be afforded.
Please educate me on what this "treaty" is going to achieve.
Well, I guess you never had your country invaded and taken away, your kids taken away, made to work for nothing etc... most Aboriginal people have experienced this in their families in relatively recent history... effects ongoing. Whereas a Voice would've been a great first step, a treaty would ensure that they get what they thinks fair. Some people like burleigh and other rednecks are either outrightly racist and/or willingly ignorant and just have on " ah they get more opportunities than us" etc etc. Things are changing with mining companies having to give better royalties etc but a long way to go. Always put your foot in their shoes... Imagine China doing to us today what we did to Aboriginal people in the past... how would you feel, what would you expect?
burleigh wrote:Hiccups wrote:goofyfoot wrote:Hiccups wrote:fitzroy-21 wrote:I just don't get why people want to try and make me feel guilty for being proud of loving the country I live in and for something that happened near 250 years ago that I had absolutely nothing to do with (nor my direct forefathers).
Over the years, Australian Aboriginals are been given more and more oportunities and recognition, and rightly so, and this continues to this day. It is entirely up to them to grab those oportunities and florish, many do.
Every nation on earth has been colonised, many brutally. Some multiple times. Be it the French, Spanish, Portuguese, English etc. Changing the flag will do Sweet Fuck All, there are people out there that can never move on no matter what and will continue to pass that hate down through their spawn.
Jeez, you got a good amount of ticks on the racist talking points checklist there.
So if you were a first nations person in a country, say for example's sake, Australia, that had the flag of a nation that massacred your ancestors, on it, you'd have the same opinion ya reckon? Bear in mind that aboriginal oppression didn't stop "near 250 years ago". Some would say that's still a thing. Some.
You’re pretty quick you pull out the racist card aren’t you hiccups?
You reckon? I'm not saying that f21 is racist either, necessarily, but those talking points come from ignorance, racism, or thinking that something's not a problem cos they're not effected by it.
edit: I'm also not trying to make anyone feel guilty about anything, including what their ancestors did.
Normal Australians are sick to death of this bullshit mate, sooner you realise this, the better Australia will be.
"queers for palestine"... "this bullshit"... a lot of people are sick of absolute dickheads like u CookerB... this place will be a lot better when the older white supremist generation u belong to finally passes on.
I want to make a public swellnet apology.
re the phrase: "will continue to pass that hate down through their spawn", there is something malignant happening in the south. As an Adelaidean, I have no idea what early X-gen spawn led to Jett and co. But I hereby apologise, on behalf of the City of Churches, for JJJ Unearthed band PASH. I will not repost a PASH clip here. We all know what happens in Beetlejuice, The Ring etc. if evil is passed on.
Please tell your teenagers to arrive late to Adelaide Laneway Festival, and to avoid those who arrived earlier when they get there. I have. This time will pass. Stay strong, and trust Our Youth's resilience and ability to withstand evil.
I, of course, had to immediately listen to a PASH tune.
After a while I noticed my foot was tapping. OMG! It’s insidious!
Thanks for nothing, basesix, you evil puppet master!
Hiccups - you stated Changing the flag will do Sweet Fuck All, which i tend to agree with somewhat. Similarly, Australian public protests or even government actions will do sweet fuck all for solving middle east issues. In my opinion the actions from government are purposely and strategically been used to create larger division. This thereby builds and manufactures a situation that provides greater reasoning for initiating more control and loss of freedoms- doesn't matter which side of the fence you sit. Strategy of divide and concur is at play.
Politicians shouldn't be allowed to use the flag as a prop unless in an official capacity.
When they use it for campaigning they are using it as a divisive tool. The subtext is that they are "more Australian" than their political opponents and the opposing voters. It gives us permission to view people voting for the other party as lesser.
When they use it during official capacity that's fine because they are representing us all.
Punters should be allowed to use it however they like. But if I can get up on my own soap box for a moment, I see a growing number of flags hung on houses and stuck on cars parked in drive ways. But I don't see a helluva lot of native plants in those gardens.
Claim to love the country so much you show it off by sticking up a flag but screw the native biodiversity of the place, just have a lawn some bloody introduced palm trees. Does my head in.
cd wrote:Hiccups - you stated Changing the flag will do Sweet Fuck All, which i tend to agree with somewhat. Similarly, Australian public protests or even government actions will do sweet fuck all for solving middle east issues. In my opinion the actions from government are purposely and strategically been used to create larger division. This thereby builds and manufactures a situation that provides greater reasoning for initiating more control and loss of freedoms- doesn't matter which side of the fence you sit. Strategy of divide and concur is at play.
I didn't say that, cd. I was quoting fitzroy-21.
Apologies Hiccups. My mistake.
Jeez Benskii, I think you've gone out on a limb a bit there.
Probably two limbs zen! Which are you referring to? The pollies or the purportedly patriotic punters and their plants?
The purportedly patriotic punters and their plants.
It's easy for me to say because as you know, I only pop in once a year but like i said last night, I don't really think about them so much or their motivations. I just see a flag and go beauty, Aussie flag. I love it. Happy to see the indigenous flag too, even though it's relatively new it's been woven into society and to any Australian it's as easily recognisable as the usual flag now. Love seeing the flags of the world at the places I enjoy eating at too. I wouldn't want to see flags draped all through national parks and places like that but an Aussie flag hanging in a window in the burbs isn't something getting all worked up about I reckon.
I'd hope the residents may even be Chinese or Indian or Ukrainian or whatever. People proud to display they're stoked to live there.
COOPER WOODS can do whatever the hell he wants with the flag!!!!!
And so can Toddy Woodbridge for the energy in the commentary box!!
Yeah no for sure Zen. I know what you mean and I dig it. Unfortunately I've become a bit jaded about it because the flag does seem to have been co-opted a bit into an American style 'patriotism' competition.
The plants thing bothers me because there's nothing more Australian than native flora and fauna and it's so unique. But it's in decline across the continent. Australia has lost more mammals to extinction than any other continent. And I've not yet seen a house with a flag on it have a garden to support the native wildlife and I've let that get to me because it seems incongruous. Love the country? Well help the native wildlife and all that.
It's sanctimonious of me though so I should let it go and not judge people in that way. Everyone has their own reasons and their own battle and all that. Cheers man.
Oz Strikes Gold! Yew! (No Spoiler!)
I'll let you in on a little secret Benskii- my childhood home which my dear old mum resides in sadly alone still has our flagpole out the front. Yep, dad used to run it up every morning and fold it up at night. Went through a few of them over the years, all frayed and all. He never made a big deal of it, it was his routine. Now that he's gone, mum doesn't bother and I think the last one that was there I pinched then gifted it to someone here.
Anyhoo, the point is, our garden front to back is brimming with pretty much all natives, planted by mum and dad over the years. Our house is a real bird magnet, plus water dragons and blue-tongues, heaps of critters- few too many cane toads though. Early morning out on the deck and the cacophony of bird calls in the stillness of dawn is beautiful. Pretty much the whole area is the same luckily and there's a few flag poles kicking around to boot.
I could go on and i totally get and respect what you say but I keep coming back to what I said right at the beginning- it's how you look at it that matters.
""it's how you look at it that matters.""
As are most things in life.
'Change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.'
Dr Wayne Dyer
andy-mac wrote:""it's how you look at it that matters.""
As are most things in life.
'Change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.'
Dr Wayne Dyer
Great quote
andy-mac wrote:""it's how you look at it that matters.""
As are most things in life.
'Change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.'
Dr Wayne Dyer
I gave this a go for the free palestine warriors. But every road leads back to brain dead morons
burleigh wrote:andy-mac wrote:""it's how you look at it that matters.""
As are most things in life.
'Change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.'
Dr Wayne DyerI gave this a go for the free palestine warriors. But every road leads back to brain dead morons
Hor hor hor. Another of CookerB's pathetic quippy trollings. You really don't have much intelligence huh. But keep going BrainwormBurleigh... yr insights are oh so revealing.
@zen, your parents place sounds beautiful and exactly the kind of environment we're trying to create in our little pocket of suburban sunny coast.
I hadn't read all the posts last night, so I went back through to yours from two days ago and I get what you mean.
I don't have a strong affinity with the flag one way or another, but that's just the flag as an object. Memories and songs of diggers lost will make me reflect silently and tear up all the time. Like anyone else really. But I realise that since the flag has been co-opted as the far right prop that was discussed many posts above, I've let that cloud my entire perception of it. Without an emotional connection to it, my revulsion for some of the behaviours when people wear it as a cape and claim to be "patriots" has affected how I see it all.
Anyway, thanks for the yarn. I'll recalibrate my thinking and make sure it's not "corrupted" by those actions of wankers in capes.
I'll still judge people for not planting native gardens!! But I'll take the flag out of it ;-p
If you’re Australian and don’t feel a sense of pride when you see the Aussie flag then you are the problem.
If you would prefer to wave a Palestinian flag then you deserve a kick in the head
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burleigh wrote:If you’re Australian and don’t feel a sense of pride when you see the Aussie flag then you are the problem.
If you would prefer to wave a Palestinian flag then you deserve a kick in the head
Another stupid comment. Unlimited reservoir u got there Cooker. I feel pride when I see the Aboriginal flag. So tired of white supremist colonials... get up to date.
burleigh wrote:If you’re Australian and don’t feel a sense of pride when you see the Aussie flag then you are the problem.
If you would prefer to wave a Palestinian flag then you deserve a kick in the head
Noted, thanks.
benskii
- The Problem
And if you're lucky enough to have a garden, if you don't plant natives in abundance, you should. It's un-Australian not to.
I think we're pretty much in agreeance Benskii, right down to the plants. Aussie flags as capes are just fuggin' ugly (unless you just won gold) but the innocuous flag here and there isn't so bad I reckon.
Yep I reckon we are. I appreciate your stories that helped shift my perspective.
benskii wrote:burleigh wrote:If you’re Australian and don’t feel a sense of pride when you see the Aussie flag then you are the problem.
If you would prefer to wave a Palestinian flag then you deserve a kick in the headNoted, thanks.
benskii
- The Problem
At least you’re not waving a Palestine flag around Australia.
The "I can't believe it's not politics" thread.