Australia - you're standing in it
stunet wrote:Supafreak wrote:I didn’t find anything boring about TBs Ireland video , close enough to the biggest barrels I’ve ever seen successfully surfed , I do turn the volume off however but he has some excellent clips & photos .
FWIW his account wasn't banned for anything he said about Tim. I could care less about that. He was banned for coming to the table with the political views of a tweenager and then shouting the same thing over and over.
He was warned, kept going, then banned.
So then he began sending me emails about tyranny and censorship. Clearly he's fighting the good fight and it's only a matter of time till someone makes a film about him.
Haha. Hilarious. But there is a Freudian slip in your "could care less". Your welcome. BTW will be a great film!!
The Liberal Party was actually formed during a moment like this.
An opportunity actually exists right now for a visionary conservative leader to cobble together the various "churches" on the right, including PHON, into a cohesive and politically powerful movement capable of taking back government and dominating the Parliament.
It took Menzies a few years and a few elections to get there, but he stayed in power over 16 years in his second term as PM.
Never gonna happen today.
The right will just eat itself.
Like it is now.
Fun to watch though.
adam12 wrote:The right will just eat itself.
Like it is now.
Fun to watch though.
And the knives are being sharpened ready for a feast.
I've always appreciated a good portrait photo, one that shows true emotion and the looks on these guys faces is priceless, it's almost as if they thought no-one knew what they were up to. Viva la Liberal
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-01-29/federal-politics-live-littleproud...
Fishofillet wrote:stunet wrote:Supafreak wrote:I didn’t find anything boring about TBs Ireland video , close enough to the biggest barrels I’ve ever seen successfully surfed , I do turn the volume off however but he has some excellent clips & photos .
FWIW his account wasn't banned for anything he said about Tim. I could care less about that. He was banned for coming to the table with the political views of a tweenager and then shouting the same thing over and over.
He was warned, kept going, then banned.
So then he began sending me emails about tyranny and censorship. Clearly he's fighting the good fight and it's only a matter of time till someone makes a film about him.
Haha. Hilarious. But there is a Freudian slip in your "could care less". Your welcome. BTW will be a great film!!
Title of movie please and who will play the lead role/roles ? As there’s multiple.
What a song! Number 1 Triple J hottest 100
Supafreak wrote:Fishofillet wrote:stunet wrote:Supafreak wrote:I didn’t find anything boring about TBs Ireland video , close enough to the biggest barrels I’ve ever seen successfully surfed , I do turn the volume off however but he has some excellent clips & photos .
FWIW his account wasn't banned for anything he said about Tim. I could care less about that. He was banned for coming to the table with the political views of a tweenager and then shouting the same thing over and over.
He was warned, kept going, then banned.
So then he began sending me emails about tyranny and censorship. Clearly he's fighting the good fight and it's only a matter of time till someone makes a film about him.
Haha. Hilarious. But there is a Freudian slip in your "could care less". Your welcome. BTW will be a great film!!
Title of movie please and who will play the lead role/roles ? As there’s multiple.
Lol. The 7 lives of Fishy Cooper.
Fliplid wrote:adam12 wrote:The right will just eat itself.
Like it is now.
Fun to watch though.I've always appreciated a good portrait photo, one that shows true emotion and the looks on these guys faces is priceless, it's almost as if they thought no-one knew what they were up to. Viva la Liberal
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-01-29/federal-politics-live-littleproud...
What a choice!! LOL. Burleigh and soupy must be hanging their heads!
adam12 wrote:The Liberal Party was actually formed during a moment like this.
An opportunity actually exists right now for a visionary conservative leader to cobble together the various "churches" on the right, including PHON, into a cohesive and politically powerful movement capable of taking back government and dominating the Parliament.
It took Menzies a few years and a few elections to get there, but he stayed in power over 16 years in his second term as PM.
Never gonna happen today.
The right will just eat itself.
Like it is now.
Fun to watch though.
Reminds me of Peacocks time as leader when Hawke came out with the line.
"If you can't govern yourselves, you can't govern the country".
While they did sort of recover after Peacock, this time around it may well be terminal.
I suppose that's what you get with a "Broad Church".
A Salty Dog wrote:adam12 wrote:The Liberal Party was actually formed during a moment like this.
An opportunity actually exists right now for a visionary conservative leader to cobble together the various "churches" on the right, including PHON, into a cohesive and politically powerful movement capable of taking back government and dominating the Parliament.
It took Menzies a few years and a few elections to get there, but he stayed in power over 16 years in his second term as PM.
Never gonna happen today.
The right will just eat itself.
Like it is now.
Fun to watch though.Reminds me of Peacocks time as leader when Hawke came out with the line.
"If you can't govern yourselves, you can't govern the country".
While they did sort of recover after Peacock, this time around it may well be terminal.
I suppose that's what you get with a "Broad Church".
Please let Angus be the Boss! We need more hilarity.
benskii wrote:goofyfoot wrote:[
@benskii
“But now the cost of living crisis is so severe and immigration is such an obvious (but incorrect) cause to blame,”
Is it incorrect though?
I think so. I've been convinced by the vacancy argument that Jack Toohey is presenting.
He's also got a detailed analysis here but I haven't read it yet. Might do it later today.
https://www.jacktoohey.com/p/is-mass-immigration-causing-the-housing
Also Gary from Gary's economics has presented some compelling arguments explaining how the super rich are effectively "forced" by their own wealth into ongoing investments like housing which is pushing the prices sky high.
Basically we have enough supply of housing but it's artificially scarce and keeping it that way funnels money upwards. See that Instagram post for an example.
That's not the only driver of the cost of living crisis but it's a big one. Remember the price rises during COVID that had nothing to do with immigration because there wasn't any at the time? As far as I recall, those prices never came back down when supply chains returned to normal. And those supply chains got back to normal much faster than actual numbers of people arrived in Australia.
Inflation is a worldwide phenomenon. That tells me it's not the movement of people being the primary driver. For example, prices are still going up in the US but net migration is declining.
Thanks for the reply @benskii, that’s interesting info.
Fishofillet wrote:A Salty Dog wrote:adam12 wrote:The Liberal Party was actually formed during a moment like this.
An opportunity actually exists right now for a visionary conservative leader to cobble together the various "churches" on the right, including PHON, into a cohesive and politically powerful movement capable of taking back government and dominating the Parliament.
It took Menzies a few years and a few elections to get there, but he stayed in power over 16 years in his second term as PM.
Never gonna happen today.
The right will just eat itself.
Like it is now.
Fun to watch though.Reminds me of Peacocks time as leader when Hawke came out with the line.
"If you can't govern yourselves, you can't govern the country".
While they did sort of recover after Peacock, this time around it may well be terminal.
I suppose that's what you get with a "Broad Church".
Please let Angus be the Boss! We need more hilarity.
Fishy, you're clearly very "anti-right", which is fair enough.
But given the current state of play, what's your positive vision for Australian politics?
Who or what do you think should fill the space created by a declining Labor, Libs and Nats and their unwillingness or inability to address the big issues facing Australia?
It's fine to be against stuff but as far as I'm concerned, if you're not "for" something you're just a wrecker and a nihilist.
goofyfoot wrote:benskii wrote:goofyfoot wrote:[
@benskii
“But now the cost of living crisis is so severe and immigration is such an obvious (but incorrect) cause to blame,”
Is it incorrect though?
I think so. I've been convinced by the vacancy argument that Jack Toohey is presenting.
He's also got a detailed analysis here but I haven't read it yet. Might do it later today.
https://www.jacktoohey.com/p/is-mass-immigration-causing-the-housing
Also Gary from Gary's economics has presented some compelling arguments explaining how the super rich are effectively "forced" by their own wealth into ongoing investments like housing which is pushing the prices sky high.
Basically we have enough supply of housing but it's artificially scarce and keeping it that way funnels money upwards. See that Instagram post for an example.
That's not the only driver of the cost of living crisis but it's a big one. Remember the price rises during COVID that had nothing to do with immigration because there wasn't any at the time? As far as I recall, those prices never came back down when supply chains returned to normal. And those supply chains got back to normal much faster than actual numbers of people arrived in Australia.
Inflation is a worldwide phenomenon. That tells me it's not the movement of people being the primary driver. For example, prices are still going up in the US but net migration is declining.
Thanks for the reply @benskii, that’s interesting info.
sounds like ideological deflectionary claptrap to me...
an interesting comparison would be to see how many empty dwellings as a percentage oz had back in the 70's
back when every 3rd person you meet had a shack up the coast or up the river...
back when high immigration (relatively) was also encouraged through various programs
are ozzies not allowed to have shacks anymore?
(to facilitate extraordinarily high immigration)
plus, how many of those houses are empty due to chinese millionaires parking their corruption money in oz...
yeh, small percentage perhaps, but throw in pommy, euro, saffa, singapore, and seppo millionaires in there, and it all adds up
I'll take my ideological nuttery from alan kohler thanks, who's hardly right wing sky news material...
2.9 million bodies!
10% of population!
https://www.google.com/search?q=2+9+million+temporary+visa+holders+austr...
plus, the numbers of bodies put pressure on everything, not just houses, food, trades, resources, hospitals, the expansion of government to facilitate the ridiculous numbers
government spending is currently super high, crazy numbers, which also creates competition for everything and increases inflation, even the moderate (not conservative) conservative economists acknowledge this very fact
and yes, gary from gary's economics makes good points, but he also brings a certain perspective that is plain to see...
his key argument is about investors, mainly big, big big wigs... but now even mum and dads are in on the game. this is especially the case in oz
but the big big wigs are buying up everything, the hedge funders, super funders, and the likes of blackrock
interestingly, trump's put restrictions on the likes of blackrock buying up residential properties - not very 'right wing' billionaire behaviour... I must say!
meanwhile, back in oz, albo has offered blackrock tax confessions!
fark me... someone please explain what even is left and right anymore...
Ideological claptrap? Thanks for the careful analysis of that post sypkan.
With respect, stating the population increase without comparing it against anything (like available houses) doesn't show anything.
The reason i find the arguments from Jack Toohey convincing is that he demonstrates how the housing shortage is artificial. The properties are there but they are vacant.
Alan Kohler has highlighted repeatedly that the house price rise began in 2000 and is due to John Howard's policy changes. In this video he makes that point and highlights how houses moved from a place to live to a place to make money, starting in 2000, when the house price to income ratio began to balloon.
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He notes that the population has increased through that time but he also notes that housing approvals have declined, building productivity has declined and there are too few tradies to build the houses we need (especially if we aren't going to change policies to make those vacant places available for long term housing). So if we don't have enough tradies, ironically we will need more immigration.
Or...we can solve the cause of the problem, which is policies that encourage houses to be an investment, driving price rises (check the graph in the Kohler video) and open up that massive amount of vacant houses. It's worth reviewing that post by Jack Toohey and reading the substack article.
There is no doubt a lot of immigration. But it's not the primary driver. For further evidence that policy changes can make a difference, this article highlights how over the last five years Melbourne property prices have not risen even close the same rate as the other capitals. The graph in the article is astounding. The reason? Policy changes like increased land tax, and different laws for tenancy. Basically Melbourne isn't as good a place for investments as the other cities and the prices haven't gone through the roof. That's despite Melbourne's population growing faster than all capitals except Perth at the same time. Curiously first home buyers have increased.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-01-19/melbourne-house-prices-affordable...
Here's that population data that shows Melbourne's population surging (while house prices rose at a tolerable level compared to the other capitals)
https://www.abs.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/capital-cities-contin...
So all of that tells me that it's not immigration that's driving the housing crisis. It's policy settings.
And if you read back over my first post in reply to goofy, you'll see why I don't think that immigration is leading to increased cost of living across the economy. It's a couple of years old but this article summarises the drivers of that.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-11/inflation-price-gauging-are-busie...
benskii wrote:Ideological claptrap? Thanks for the careful analysis of that post sypkan.
With respect, stating the population increase without comparing it against anything (like available houses) doesn't show anything.
The reason i find the arguments from Jack Toohey convincing is that he demonstrates how the housing shortage is artificial. The properties are there but they are vacant.
Alan Kohler has highlighted repeatedly that the house price rise began in 2000 and is due to John Howard's policy changes. In this video he makes that point and highlights how houses moved from a place to live to a place to make money, starting in 2000, when the house price to income ratio began to balloon.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TmO6zzXzM-c
He notes that the population has increased through that time but he also notes that housing approvals have declined, building productivity has declined and there are too few tradies to build the houses we need (especially if we aren't going to change policies to make those vacant places available for long term housing). So if we don't have enough tradies, ironically we will need more immigration.
Or...we can solve the cause of the problem, which is policies that encourage houses to be an investment, driving price rises (check the graph in the Kohler video) and open up that massive amount of vacant houses. It's worth reviewing that post by Jack Toohey and reading the substack article.
There is no doubt a lot of immigration. But it's not the primary driver. For further evidence that policy changes can make a difference, this article highlights how over the last five years Melbourne property prices have not risen even close the same rate as the other capitals. The graph in the article is astounding. The reason? Policy changes like increased land tax, and different laws for tenancy. Basically Melbourne isn't as good a place for investments as the other cities and the prices haven't gone through the roof. That's despite Melbourne's population growing faster than all capitals except Perth at the same time. Curiously first home buyers have increased.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-01-19/melbourne-house-prices-affordable...
Here's that population data that shows Melbourne's population surging (while house prices rose at a tolerable level compared to the other capitals)
https://www.abs.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/capital-cities-contin...So all of that tells me that it's not immigration that's driving the housing crisis. It's policy settings.
And if you read back over my first post in reply to goofy, you'll see why I don't think that immigration is leading to increased cost of living across the economy. It's a couple of years old but this article summarises the drivers of that.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-11/inflation-price-gauging-are-busie...
There are some many vacant mansions down here on the coast it makes me wanna puke (ren and stimpy). It's bullshit. These richies come down for 2 weeks a year, party on, then leave the joints vacant for the rest of the year, unless they're cashing in on airbnb. Well, forget it... u don't use it, then u lose it.. plenty of surfers be happy to move in and make good use.
AndyM wrote:Fishofillet wrote:A Salty Dog wrote:adam12 wrote:The Liberal Party was actually formed during a moment like this.
An opportunity actually exists right now for a visionary conservative leader to cobble together the various "churches" on the right, including PHON, into a cohesive and politically powerful movement capable of taking back government and dominating the Parliament.
It took Menzies a few years and a few elections to get there, but he stayed in power over 16 years in his second term as PM.
Never gonna happen today.
The right will just eat itself.
Like it is now.
Fun to watch though.Reminds me of Peacocks time as leader when Hawke came out with the line.
"If you can't govern yourselves, you can't govern the country".
While they did sort of recover after Peacock, this time around it may well be terminal.
I suppose that's what you get with a "Broad Church".
Please let Angus be the Boss! We need more hilarity.
Fishy, you're clearly very "anti-right", which is fair enough.
But given the current state of play, what's your positive vision for Australian politics?
Who or what do you think should fill the space created by a declining Labor, Libs and Nats and their unwillingness or inability to address the big issues facing Australia?
It's fine to be against stuff but as far as I'm concerned, if you're not "for" something you're just a wrecker and a nihilist.
Well thanks for asking AndyM. A nice change from the lunatic one-liners of burleigh. Yes, I find the right ideologically repulsive. Anyone who puts money and self- interest above community is not worth the price of their private school tuition. I don't quite understand what Labor is doing so wrong. I think Albo is going along just fine, calm, centred, non-hysterical. There's a lot of shit to clean up from the Pastor Morrison time, so easy does it. Trumps obviously fucking up the world order, so there's problems there. Otherwise I don't see any major issues ahead. The right can't work out who they are anymore, unless they admit they're One Nation racists, and the burleighs of this world will forever be screeching (ala Michaela Cash) that they're hard done by because most people believe in equal opportunity and a fair go. Woke means being awake. Socialism means everyone gets a fair go. Nothing's perfect, but give Gough a go (i.e. dont cancel him). Does this help answer yr question?
It's not new news but there's a chance, just a chance, the extraordinary rises in house prices might be due to the government funnelling $12 billion a year into investment properties
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/jan/29/australia-tax-bre...
And remember, the more of a loss you make the more of those sweet tax dollars you get. And an empty home makes a pretty big loss (pretty easy to market a property for rent and not find any "suitable" tenants and then claim the negative gearing tax deduction).
Turns out the census in 2021 showed 1 million vacant properties across the country.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-29/census-finds-1-million-empty-hous...
Honestly, I don't reckon focusing on immigration as the cause of the housing crisis is going to solve a whole lot. Especially when we don't have enough tradies to build the houses we would need without accessing these vacant and under used properties.
I can't access ol' mate toohey's article because its paywalled, even my usual pay wall blocker can't do it... very capitalist of him... the apple doesn't fall far from the tree...
anyway, sorry but for anyone that's not willing to even give immigration any weight... I'm not willing to give them any weight...
the numbers speak for themselves
and, anyone who focusses on the anomaly of covid as some all encompassing convincing argument, is just grasping at straws... a year of 'proof' from a year where the world literally went crazy, financially, socially, psychologically... there was so much pent up energy, funds, government handouts, sea change aspirations, lifestyle awakenings, and 'revenge' through that period, that a year or two everyone grasps at means nothing... but the aftermath does...
I've seen enough of ol' mate toohey's stuff to know exactly where he's coming from, and I dont buy it
however. I do totally buy his prescription, wholeheartedly
(if he threw a few bodies in there as well)
everyone knows its not just one thing, everyone knows its s tax problem, a regulations problem, a developers land banking problem, a social housing problem, an airbnb problem, a 30 years of neoliberalism fuelled globalisation problem... and on and on...
but anyone genuinely engaging in this argument, also knows you cannot import 1500 bodies a week into an already strained supply market and expect there not to be a supply problem...
its called 'demand'
I would've never guessed it...
Toll
are actually the guardian angels of the world
learn something new everyday!
(2 bil contract... be a few social houses in there i reckon... could be...)
Again, you are focusing on one side of the equation; demand. Alan Kohler and Toohey are looking at demand in the context of everything else and concluding a different thing from you. As I've pointed out.
Highlighting population growth without analysing the other side of the equation doesn't tell you anything. I'm not having a go at you there, it's just a pointless to look at population growth without considering other numbers too. I gained 30 kgs over three years once. Looking at that alone you'd think I would have gotten really fat.
Except I didn't get fat at all because that weight gain happened between the ages of 12 - 15. But if you just look at one side of that equation, weight gain over time, you'd draw a flawed conclusion.
What Alan Kohler and Toohey both demonstrate is that we have other far more meaningful drivers (and therefore policy levers) than population growth. Again, read that article showing Melbourne's population growing faster than anywhere else in absolute terms and second fastest in percentage terms, yet house prices are not keeping pace with that. That shows you very clearly that demand is not the primary cause of our absurd house price rises. Note the word primary. Alan Kohler demonstrates that in all of his analysis and Toohey demonstrates the how the policies play out.
"but anyone genuinely engaging in this argument, also knows you cannot import 1500 bodies a week into an already strained supply market and expect there not to be a supply problem..."
- Again, see that article highlighting the situation in Melbourne. And see Toohey's analysis that shows how that strained supply is artificial. Change our housing policies and the supply problem is solved overnight.
As for the covid comparison, you're choosing to miss the point with that so I'll leave you to it.
again, you're dismissing one side of the equation...
as I raised before, as a percentage, how many dwellings would've been deemed vacant over recent previous decades?
seems we simply didn't worry about it... because we didn't need to...
and, are aussies no longer 'entitled' to their shack up the coast, or up the river?
I have no doubt the percentage has increased (as has the standard of 'shack') but this is also a result of growing wealth as much as anything... (and inequality!)
the fact we've never had to have this discussion regarding 'empty dwellings' is very telling in my book... very!
I wonder how many swellnetters have a shack up the coast?
be that through family, or a general accumulation of wealth through boom times... (i could name names... but I won't...)
regarding melbourne, well its melbourne...
good on em for creating a hostile investor environment, but I can totally understand why other states have no inclination to follow suit
plus, melbourne is unique, not just in that 'a bit special' kinda way... but, as the article states, its seen negative population growth to interstate, as people get the fuck outa there... for a host of reasons... but probably not least, dandrews, and his covid craziness...
however perhaps more importantly, melbourne's population growth, is actually a sole result of overseas immigration, good on em, if thats what they want... but that brings with it different tastes, normals, and... expectations...
I see the article uses homes, houses, and dwellings interchangably, which is conveniently misleading... many overseas immigrants are more than happy to take up residence in inner city apartments, which melbourne has encouraged... the article touches on this, which is all very well and good...
but its misleading, when you are one minute referring to house prices, ...and then, in the very next sentence, referring to mellboure's moderate growth in 'dwelling' prices...
I would call bullshit, but let's just say its very convenient
I haven't missed the point at all re. covid, I just think its disingenuous to the point of being stubbornly deliberately misleading, to quote a one year anomaly, as a result of a once in a lifetime event, as some all telling 'truth' about immigration and house prices
I actually gave you something to work with in your favour, regarding the post covid aftermath, but you instead, chose to miss the point entirely...
hey @sippy, you're an expert on Melbourne and Victorian real estate now? And where do you live exactly? Still overseas?
So I’m no expert but if you’re talking about houses ‘ down the coast’ there’s an important point to make about house availability on the coast as explained by RE Agents on both the west coast and on the MP. Between Anglesea and Lorne there are approximately 5,000 houses only with the Otways National Park stopping further development. On the MP from Baxter to Sorrento any further development is severely limited by ‘green wedges’. The agents all say with Melbourne’s population being less than 2hours drive from all these areas demand is and always been high - for decades! So from memory ‘the coasts’ around Melbourne are uniquely different to every other capital city that has or had exponentially more coastal land available for development
well it was a figure of speech frowner
down the coast, would be more often correct in sa, probably wa, and yes vicco...
sydney, down the coast or up the coast
brisso, same
up the river for adelaide
up the mountain for tree changers
up the coast, up the river, up the mountain, or in the sticks...
its about capturing the sea change / tree change phenomenon, which is not insignificant, especially post covid
very interesting point you make though regarding melbourne and limited options
which is probably why many went post covid white flighting to SA!
significantly increasing property prices across SA, city and regional, probably more so than any place in oz!
Fishofillet wrote:AndyM wrote:Fishofillet wrote:A Salty Dog wrote:adam12 wrote:The Liberal Party was actually formed during a moment like this.
An opportunity actually exists right now for a visionary conservative leader to cobble together the various "churches" on the right, including PHON, into a cohesive and politically powerful movement capable of taking back government and dominating the Parliament.
It took Menzies a few years and a few elections to get there, but he stayed in power over 16 years in his second term as PM.
Never gonna happen today.
The right will just eat itself.
Like it is now.
Fun to watch though.Reminds me of Peacocks time as leader when Hawke came out with the line.
"If you can't govern yourselves, you can't govern the country".
While they did sort of recover after Peacock, this time around it may well be terminal.
I suppose that's what you get with a "Broad Church".
Please let Angus be the Boss! We need more hilarity.
Fishy, you're clearly very "anti-right", which is fair enough.
But given the current state of play, what's your positive vision for Australian politics?
Who or what do you think should fill the space created by a declining Labor, Libs and Nats and their unwillingness or inability to address the big issues facing Australia?
It's fine to be against stuff but as far as I'm concerned, if you're not "for" something you're just a wrecker and a nihilist.Well thanks for asking AndyM. A nice change from the lunatic one-liners of burleigh. Yes, I find the right ideologically repulsive. Anyone who puts money and self- interest above community is not worth the price of their private school tuition. I don't quite understand what Labor is doing so wrong. I think Albo is going along just fine, calm, centred, non-hysterical. There's a lot of shit to clean up from the Pastor Morrison time, so easy does it. Trumps obviously fucking up the world order, so there's problems there. Otherwise I don't see any major issues ahead. The right can't work out who they are anymore, unless they admit they're One Nation racists, and the burleighs of this world will forever be screeching (ala Michaela Cash) that they're hard done by because most people believe in equal opportunity and a fair go. Woke means being awake. Socialism means everyone gets a fair go. Nothing's perfect, but give Gough a go (i.e. dont cancel him). Does this help answer yr question?
"Anyone who puts money and self- interest above community is not worth the price of their private school tuition"
"give Gough a go"
Yep, these statements do indeed answer my question.
I'm actually of the very same opinion - I have a belief in a strong social democracy where it's people and the environment before the dollar.
Whitlam was into democracy, egalitarianism, social justice, free education, universal healthcare and international independence.
Sounds fair to me.
AndyM wrote:Fishofillet wrote:AndyM wrote:Fishofillet wrote:A Salty Dog wrote:adam12 wrote:The Liberal Party was actually formed during a moment like this.
An opportunity actually exists right now for a visionary conservative leader to cobble together the various "churches" on the right, including PHON, into a cohesive and politically powerful movement capable of taking back government and dominating the Parliament.
It took Menzies a few years and a few elections to get there, but he stayed in power over 16 years in his second term as PM.
Never gonna happen today.
The right will just eat itself.
Like it is now.
Fun to watch though.Reminds me of Peacocks time as leader when Hawke came out with the line.
"If you can't govern yourselves, you can't govern the country".
While they did sort of recover after Peacock, this time around it may well be terminal.
I suppose that's what you get with a "Broad Church".
Please let Angus be the Boss! We need more hilarity.
Fishy, you're clearly very "anti-right", which is fair enough.
But given the current state of play, what's your positive vision for Australian politics?
Who or what do you think should fill the space created by a declining Labor, Libs and Nats and their unwillingness or inability to address the big issues facing Australia?
It's fine to be against stuff but as far as I'm concerned, if you're not "for" something you're just a wrecker and a nihilist.Well thanks for asking AndyM. A nice change from the lunatic one-liners of burleigh. Yes, I find the right ideologically repulsive. Anyone who puts money and self- interest above community is not worth the price of their private school tuition. I don't quite understand what Labor is doing so wrong. I think Albo is going along just fine, calm, centred, non-hysterical. There's a lot of shit to clean up from the Pastor Morrison time, so easy does it. Trumps obviously fucking up the world order, so there's problems there. Otherwise I don't see any major issues ahead. The right can't work out who they are anymore, unless they admit they're One Nation racists, and the burleighs of this world will forever be screeching (ala Michaela Cash) that they're hard done by because most people believe in equal opportunity and a fair go. Woke means being awake. Socialism means everyone gets a fair go. Nothing's perfect, but give Gough a go (i.e. dont cancel him). Does this help answer yr question?
"Anyone who puts money and self- interest above community is not worth the price of their private school tuition"
"give Gough a go"
Yep, these statements do indeed answer my question.
I'm actually of the very same opinion - I have a belief in a strong social democracy where it's people and the environment before the dollar.
Whitlam was into democracy, egalitarianism, social justice, free education, universal healthcare and international independence.
Sounds fair to me.
Nice to know we're riding the same wave.
Good work boys. Nice to see.
Fishofillet wrote:AndyM wrote:Fishofillet wrote:AndyM wrote:Fishofillet wrote:A Salty Dog wrote:adam12 wrote:The Liberal Party was actually formed during a moment like this.
An opportunity actually exists right now for a visionary conservative leader to cobble together the various "churches" on the right, including PHON, into a cohesive and politically powerful movement capable of taking back government and dominating the Parliament.
It took Menzies a few years and a few elections to get there, but he stayed in power over 16 years in his second term as PM.
Never gonna happen today.
The right will just eat itself.
Like it is now.
Fun to watch though.Reminds me of Peacocks time as leader when Hawke came out with the line.
"If you can't govern yourselves, you can't govern the country".
While they did sort of recover after Peacock, this time around it may well be terminal.
I suppose that's what you get with a "Broad Church".
Please let Angus be the Boss! We need more hilarity.
Fishy, you're clearly very "anti-right", which is fair enough.
But given the current state of play, what's your positive vision for Australian politics?
Who or what do you think should fill the space created by a declining Labor, Libs and Nats and their unwillingness or inability to address the big issues facing Australia?
It's fine to be against stuff but as far as I'm concerned, if you're not "for" something you're just a wrecker and a nihilist.Well thanks for asking AndyM. A nice change from the lunatic one-liners of burleigh. Yes, I find the right ideologically repulsive. Anyone who puts money and self- interest above community is not worth the price of their private school tuition. I don't quite understand what Labor is doing so wrong. I think Albo is going along just fine, calm, centred, non-hysterical. There's a lot of shit to clean up from the Pastor Morrison time, so easy does it. Trumps obviously fucking up the world order, so there's problems there. Otherwise I don't see any major issues ahead. The right can't work out who they are anymore, unless they admit they're One Nation racists, and the burleighs of this world will forever be screeching (ala Michaela Cash) that they're hard done by because most people believe in equal opportunity and a fair go. Woke means being awake. Socialism means everyone gets a fair go. Nothing's perfect, but give Gough a go (i.e. dont cancel him). Does this help answer yr question?
"Anyone who puts money and self- interest above community is not worth the price of their private school tuition"
"give Gough a go"
Yep, these statements do indeed answer my question.
I'm actually of the very same opinion - I have a belief in a strong social democracy where it's people and the environment before the dollar.
Whitlam was into democracy, egalitarianism, social justice, free education, universal healthcare and international independence.
Sounds fair to me.Nice to know we're riding the same wave.
AndyM. Hi mate. I loved Goughs principles.
“ Gough was tough til he hit the rough, Uncle Sam and John were quite enough “ (Oils)
Oh, the power and the passion. AW
burleigh wrote:
That's bloody hilarious.
oxrox wrote:burleigh wrote:That's bloody hilarious.
Wow...small minds huh. Pretty weak imo.
Fishofillet wrote:oxrox wrote:burleigh wrote:That's bloody hilarious.
Wow...small minds huh. Pretty weak imo.
Vote 1. Pauline
Fishofillet wrote:oxrox wrote:burleigh wrote:That's bloody hilarious.
Wow...small minds huh. Pretty weak imo.
Small minds and weakness have nothing to do with it. Was funny though. Well, I thought so. If you didn't, I don't really care one way or the other.
burleigh wrote:Fishofillet wrote:oxrox wrote:burleigh wrote:That's bloody hilarious.
Wow...small minds huh. Pretty weak imo.
Vote 1. Pauline
Drunk again Cookie!!
AlfredWallace wrote:Fishofillet wrote:AndyM wrote:Fishofillet wrote:AndyM wrote:Fishofillet wrote:A Salty Dog wrote:adam12 wrote:The Liberal Party was actually formed during a moment like this.
An opportunity actually exists right now for a visionary conservative leader to cobble together the various "churches" on the right, including PHON, into a cohesive and politically powerful movement capable of taking back government and dominating the Parliament.
It took Menzies a few years and a few elections to get there, but he stayed in power over 16 years in his second term as PM.
Never gonna happen today.
The right will just eat itself.
Like it is now.
Fun to watch though.Reminds me of Peacocks time as leader when Hawke came out with the line.
"If you can't govern yourselves, you can't govern the country".
While they did sort of recover after Peacock, this time around it may well be terminal.
I suppose that's what you get with a "Broad Church".
Please let Angus be the Boss! We need more hilarity.
Fishy, you're clearly very "anti-right", which is fair enough.
But given the current state of play, what's your positive vision for Australian politics?
Who or what do you think should fill the space created by a declining Labor, Libs and Nats and their unwillingness or inability to address the big issues facing Australia?
It's fine to be against stuff but as far as I'm concerned, if you're not "for" something you're just a wrecker and a nihilist.Well thanks for asking AndyM. A nice change from the lunatic one-liners of burleigh. Yes, I find the right ideologically repulsive. Anyone who puts money and self- interest above community is not worth the price of their private school tuition. I don't quite understand what Labor is doing so wrong. I think Albo is going along just fine, calm, centred, non-hysterical. There's a lot of shit to clean up from the Pastor Morrison time, so easy does it. Trumps obviously fucking up the world order, so there's problems there. Otherwise I don't see any major issues ahead. The right can't work out who they are anymore, unless they admit they're One Nation racists, and the burleighs of this world will forever be screeching (ala Michaela Cash) that they're hard done by because most people believe in equal opportunity and a fair go. Woke means being awake. Socialism means everyone gets a fair go. Nothing's perfect, but give Gough a go (i.e. dont cancel him). Does this help answer yr question?
"Anyone who puts money and self- interest above community is not worth the price of their private school tuition"
"give Gough a go"
Yep, these statements do indeed answer my question.
I'm actually of the very same opinion - I have a belief in a strong social democracy where it's people and the environment before the dollar.
Whitlam was into democracy, egalitarianism, social justice, free education, universal healthcare and international independence.
Sounds fair to me.Nice to know we're riding the same wave.
AndyM. Hi mate. I loved Goughs principles.
“ Gough was tough til he hit the rough, Uncle Sam and John were quite enough “ (Oils)
Oh, the power and the passion. AW
Nice one AW, I would have been surprised if you felt differently.
I had the absolute pleasure of meeting and having a short chat with Gough. He was a lovely man and had a great sense of humour.
For the record, I've also met Fraser (nice guy), Keating (really cool guy), Howard (cunt), Hawk (rolled gold cunt unless a camera around) and Abbot (not bad but not impressive either).
Cool Zen. Nice to get your impressions of our past leaders, they have their own vibe.
zenagain wrote:I had the absolute pleasure of meeting and having a short chat with Gough. He was a lovely man and had a great sense of humour.
For the record, I've also met Fraser (nice guy), Keating (really cool guy), Howard (cunt), Hawk (rolled gold cunt unless a camera around) and Abbot (not bad but not impressive either).
Hospitality ey??
I served Hawkie in 88 and he was cool, no camera.
Flo was lovely in person although Joh was a pretty corrupt bloke.
Big Kym B was super nice...
Mike Ahern was a gentleman, although couldn't agree with him politically.
Before social media when people could disagree agreeably....
Packer and his entourage were pricks.
Dealt with quite a few bigums Zen, Club Conrad at Casino, high rollers lounge. :)
zenagain wrote:I had the absolute pleasure of meeting and having a short chat with Gough. He was a lovely man and had a great sense of humour.
For the record, I've also met Fraser (nice guy), Keating (really cool guy), Howard (cunt), Hawk (rolled gold cunt unless a camera around) and Abbot (not bad but not impressive either).
Fucking hell Zen, please do expand on these.
Ah man, too long to go into here. Over the years in hospitality and later corporate event management.
Met a couple of GG's too.
Fishofillet wrote:burleigh wrote:Fishofillet wrote:oxrox wrote:burleigh wrote:That's bloody hilarious.
Wow...small minds huh. Pretty weak imo.
Vote 1. Pauline
Drunk again Cookie!!
Funny as you know i don't drink. Shows how demented the leftards are. You, soggy and supa all telling fibs to try discredit someone.
burleigh wrote:Fishofillet wrote:burleigh wrote:Fishofillet wrote:oxrox wrote:burleigh wrote:That's bloody hilarious.
Wow...small minds huh. Pretty weak imo.
Vote 1. Pauline
Drunk again Cookie!!
Funny as you know i don't drink. Shows how demented the leftards are. You, soggy and supa all telling fibs to try discredit someone.
Hahahaha you do a good enough job of discrediting yourself every time you post . BTW how was Melania ?
Supafreak wrote:
Haha... Beetroot Barney's such a good look isn't he... bonk ban, poppin benzos. Pauline and her gibberish. Maybe Katter should get on board..." Now don't you say that..." classic
Also, just saw Canavan on tele saying the country's going down the gurgler. Can someone explain exactly how the country's going down the gurgler? Coalman Canavan's political reality's going down the gurgler... that much is obvious.
I think he means “Our world view is going down the gurgler.” While the LNP goes down the gurgler.
Self interests weigh heavy in the conservative side of Australian politics and we, the majority of people, can be damned.
No suprise they thought putting a woman at the helm hasn’t helped and they still aren’t reading the room.
Wonder if Albo will bring this up with the Israeli PM when he visits???
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/04/idf-bulldoze-gaza-war-ceme...
The sooner netanyahoo is thrown in the clink with trump and Bubba the better for this aching world.
andy-mac wrote:Wonder if Albo will bring this up with the Israeli PM when he visits???
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/04/idf-bulldoze-gaza-war-ceme...
The Israel PM isn't visiting Australia ball-sac. but don't let that get in the way of your story.
burleigh wrote:andy-mac wrote:Wonder if Albo will bring this up with the Israeli PM when he visits???
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/04/idf-bulldoze-gaza-war-ceme...
The Israel PM isn't visiting Australia ball-sac. but don't let that get in the way of your story.
Ok, Prez then.
My Grandfathers fought in WW2 for Australia, so yeah does mean something to me if not to you.
zenagain wrote:I had the absolute pleasure of meeting and having a short chat with Gough. He was a lovely man and had a great sense of humour.
For the record, I've also met Fraser (nice guy), Keating (really cool guy), Howard (cunt), Hawk (rolled gold cunt unless a camera around) and Abbot (not bad but not impressive either).
Thanks Zen never had the pleasure myself off meeting the above but friends have and confirm your observations I have met Kim Beazley, intelligent, nice bloke.
The "I can't believe it's not politics" thread.