Another reason to punch an Anti Vaxxer in the head

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Statler started the topic in Saturday, 21 Dec 2019 at 8:48pm

Booked to travel the Solomon Islands on 4th January, Family of four. Booked/Paid in August
Got an email and phone call from Solomon Airways Friday 20.12.19 at 3.30pm regarding new travel advisory with measles

"From 28 December 2019 onwards, all non-residents entering the Solomon Islands arriving from measles-affected countries including American Samoa, Samoa, Fiji, Tonga, Australia, New Zealand and Philippines (including transit through these countries) will be required to provide certified proof of vaccination against measles at least 14 days prior to their date of arrival. Please note, failure to do so will result in denied entry to the country or deportation. "

The airline advised a blood test, .....Pathology would not get results back in time.
OR get an injection 14 days prior to travel. You Documents will be checked at Brisbane and on arrival in the Solomon's.

Friday 20.12.19 would make it 15 days out luckily I could source a measles vaccine and got a doctors appointment. (Called 10 + chemists and guilted my doctors receptionist for an immediate appointment) At 17.05 4th MMR injected.

I have been vaccinated numerous times with MMR, childhood x 2 plus extra with jobs.

Who over 40 has there vaccination records on hand ? My Doctor searched no records, Hence my fourth MMR

My kids Immunisation Government records, sorted. ....Well done Government.

Missus has record of innoculation 12 years ago and no record of childhood like all +40. ....... MMR x 3

Job for next year a blood report of my immunity to diseases. Printed out ready to go. Free under our world class medical system.

What a clusterfuck

Solomon Islands Immigration Requirements with regards to the control of Measles

(!) IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR ALL PASSENGERS – EFFECTIVE 28 December 2019 NEW MEASLES VACCINATION REQUIREMENTS – Travel Advice from Solomon Islands Ministry of Health and Medical Services

On the 13th of December 2019 as a protective measure to ensure safety to the citizens of Solomon Islands, the Solomon Islands Government announced strict new measles vaccination requirements for all incoming passenger arrivals to the Solomon Islands.

From 14th December 2019 all passengers entering the Solomon Islands are required to complete a new health declaration form regarding immunisation against/exposure to measles. The forms will be made available at Solomon Airlines check-in counters and on board our aircraft.

From 28 December 2019 onwards, all non-residents entering the Solomon Islands arriving from measles-affected countries including American Samoa, Samoa, Fiji, Tonga, Australia, New Zealand and Philippines (including transit through these countries) will be required to provide certified proof of vaccination against measles at least 14 days prior to their date of arrival. Please note, failure to do so will result in denied entry to the country or deportation.

From 28 December 2019 onwards, all residents returning to the Solomon Islands from measles affected countries including American Samoa, Samoa, Fiji, Tonga, Australia, New Zealand and Philippines (including transit through these countries) will be required to show certified proof of vaccination against measles at least 14 days prior to their date of arrival. Please note failure to provide proof of vaccination will result in being placed into a 21-day quarantine period on arrival in Solomon Islands.

The vaccination requirements do not apply to infants less than 6 months of age, pregnant women or persons carrying documentary evidence of contraindications for measles vaccination, such as immune-deficiency and allergies. A certificate from a doctor is required in these circumstances.

Please monitor this website for further updates.

The Ministry of Health and Medical Services complete advisory note 'Measles Travel Advisory for travellers arriving in Solomon Islands: Protection Against Measles Importation to Solomon Islands' is available here. https://www.flysolomons.com/library/faq/measles-travel-advisory-_-update...

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Pops commented Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 2:04pm

Righto. I still can't make head or tail of anything you've said and you've not cared to explain. Do you not actually understand the words you're parroting, or are you just not interested in any kind of rational discourse?

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bonza commented Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 2:05pm

^ the best. only way you'll top that is with a melvins cover. then I'll need a cold shower.

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velocityjohnno commented Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 2:07pm
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velocityjohnno commented Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 2:11pm

That's the planet, as measured by science

Eastern religion holds that the astral or aetheric body comprises of a series of spinning vortices, or chakras. These spin at high speeds (frequencies). Health can deteriorate when some may slow for varying reasons, or spin out of sync. Things like planets also can have spinning vortices in this world view. There have been some health practitioners who have attempted to quantify frequencies that relate to conditions of ill health, or health. Main science does not support this at this time.

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shortenism commented Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 2:16pm

Pops, you asked me if I know what Mz is. I said Yes. What cant you make heads or tails of?

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Pops commented Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 2:18pm

Thanks VJ. Doubt you'd suggest that modern medicine be rejected in favour of such ideas though?
I ought not to have been getting so exasperated. Too much coffee coupled with low-level annoyance at a bloke who only ever seems to post conspiracy theories has got me going like Vic unto blowin.

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Pops commented Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 2:21pm

@ shortenism, you responded to my earlier post asking for clarification by just writing "432 Hz", which didn't clarify anything. I'm still going back to your earlier post about harmony and frequency. If you're not using those words to portray their normal meaning (as I assumed in my response to that post), I don't understand what you mean by that post. Are you able to clarify?

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shortenism commented Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 3:07pm

Yeah I get it were stuck on harmony vs frequency. Harmony was a bit of a rushed word.. I had to jump on a zoom call.. I stand by my frequency comments and yes check out 432 Mz. BTW, my mention of 432 Mz wasn't specifically aimed at you. I knew it would rattle a few cages other than yours Pops..

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Pops commented Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 3:27pm

I'm taking it that where you type Mz you mean Hz?
I have come across the 432 Hz thing in the context of music - that somehow music tuned so that A4=432 Hz is somehow bestowed with healing power when compared to the modern standard A4=440 Hz, and that "the ancients" knew this and tuned their music accordingly.
The problem with that is that there was no reliable way of measuring seconds (& hence "per-seconds") until a couple of hundred years ago. Also, until even more recent times (as corroborated by period tuning forks which have subsequently been analysed), the tuning of western music varied from anywhere in the range 400 Hz <= A4 <=460 Hz. At a guess I'd say the variability could at least in part be put down to manufacturing tolerances in the production of tuning forks.
(I say western music, because other music used different scales - different ways of breaking up what we call an octave - so the notion of A4 is kinda meaningless for them).
Does the 432 idea crop up in any other contexts?

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Pops commented Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 3:28pm

Also, could you explain what you mean by "humans are frequency"?

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billythekid commented Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 3:35pm

No he cant because all he's got is mumbo jumbo bullshit. Pops you cant argue with an antivaxxer conspiracy theorist because they are fundamentally irrational

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Pops commented Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 3:37pm

yeah, I know...
but work's boring and arguing is vaguely entertaining. Plus I get to learn how someone else thinks, which is underrated.

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chook commented Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 4:26pm

pops, i don't know what to say about fundamental/primitive beliefs and knowledge.
i think that ultimately moral debate rests on fundamental beliefs.
you can map out the issue...as i did with abortion...but what view people take from there is determined by some basic beliefs that aren't open to reasoning and are indeed deeply held and tied to our notion of self. and that means people get worked up about such issues.

anyway...all this talk about frequencies and harmonies reminds me of pythagorean ideas. they have a real beauty to them...the idea that all can be described as mathematical relations expressed harmonically. it has a beautiful combination of the mystical and the mathematical.
some of those ideas might have been picked up by christian theology via neoplatonism. plato had a soft spot for the pythagoreans.

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Pops commented Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 4:40pm

Thanks chook. I'd agree with that, though I think a powerful enough defeater should still knock over a basic belief?

And yeah pythagoras had some really beautiful ideas ... unfortunately they didn't always work out in physical reality (e.g. his musical scale built by cycling perfect fifths... if I recall correctly it doesn't quite work - the cycle only closes if you diminish one of the fifths!)
You're right in thinking that some pythagorean/neoplatonic ideas still reside in christian thought too... E.g. take the idea that natural world can be described mathematically, place it next to the idea that abstract/platonic objects cannot have any causal power (and given mathematical realism, which some people do deny), and you get the beginnings of an argument that mathematical objects must be grounded in a "mind" with causal power i.e. God (after also weighing up other possibilities e.g. the maths thing being a fluke). That's more in the realms of apologetics thatn theology though.

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shortenism commented Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 4:51pm

You could be spot on there Chook your bit about held beliefs and it goes in all directions, I think the reality is, we can all agree humans have a very limited understanding of anything like the way the body and mind work and once you realise that, you realise that groups running around trying to inject you with a substance to keep you safe from disease when ignoring so many other far more impacting issues highlights other motivations. Just like people pulling oil out the ground to burn it when there are other options.. Makes no sense unless you are the one with the rights or IP to big oil, just like big pharma.

I guess you could equally apply it what I am suggesting that humans are a manifestation of frequency. Do I know that unequivocally, NO. But I do know people use frequency to achieve at-ease and heal dis-ease.

Take this thread, when beliefs were threatened everyone blindly flew for defending beliefs. Not one of you except Blowin (and apologies if u did and I missed it) called out the fact that the heading was saying punch a fellow human in the head.

Pops in your quest to psyche review everyone this would have raised a few flags...

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Pops commented Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 5:05pm

"quest to psyche review everyone"... not quite what I meant when I mentioned I think there's value in learning how people think. More that I'm genuinely fascinated by ideas, even if I reject them.
Do agree with you that the title of the thread is in poor taste though.

Also agree that we don't have a perfect understanding of the body or mind; which is kinda why we've developed rigorous clinical trial methods, and why therapeutic goods don't get approved without going through such trials.

How does "using frequency to acheive at-ease" work? Give me an example. I'm not trying to wind you up here, simply trying to understand what you're saying. I'm still not entirely sure what you mean by frequency in this context. Explain it to me like I'm a five year old.

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velocityjohnno commented Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 5:04pm

http://gizapower.com/Advanced/Advanced%20Machining.html

Something a little more hands on. Let a career aircraft engineer take you over the toolpaths left at monuments and in debris fields a few millennia later. This one is one of the gems of the early internet. They had high speed drills and lathes that were up to the task of granite - who knew? And an precision we have trouble matching in stone today.

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 5:32pm

Hanson has got all upset about qantas demanding international passengers have vaccine stamps. She could always fly Etihad Qatar airlines or Emirates instead. Oh wait.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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truebluebasher commented Wednesday, 25 Nov 2020 at 1:37am

Health Authorities warn against rushed mass vaccination of any new drug.
Note: Covid Vaccines are rushed thru with less checks by Emergency Govts
This is a record batch of 150 experimental drugs hitting the shelves in one go.
Hospitals would not Cope with 150 new World Wide brews of monkey business.

Would Airlines seriously mix 150 viral guinea pigs on the one plane?
Would Airlines dump 150 unknown virals in foreign lands without supervision.
Airline Boss mandating freak circus Planes needs to grow a brain.
A little less Qantas vodka for Putin's Sputnik V... hangin' ten on the right wing.

Commonsense dictates that 150 super cocktail Pandemic may be even worse.

Govt's need to claw back some money...so vax will not be mandatory
Instead they'll limit supply so VIP bullies will ramp up the pricing....
https://images.theconversation.com/files/369026/original/file-20201112-1...

VIP Passengers can pay to jump (6 months) vax list from Tier 5 to Tier 1 (in a day).
With each VIP Qantas upgrade kills off more frontline / vulnerable Aussies.
No! No one will mention that, but it further examples the Qantas zero care factor.

So we assume Qantas are only flying to 100% approved vaccinated Airports. (No!)
So zero to do with safety for Aussies / Staff ...then what's their game?

Joyce wants total control of Travel Pass app- Qantas med pop ups for $500 / vaxes.
The vax / test must be Qantas approved not AMA approved (See: UA Hawaii rort).
1,000's locked-billed at UA hotels for having actual US Health negative test results.
As 100,000 fake positive negative UA tests are super spreading flights & Hawaii.

Airlines can't afford Govt loose links undermining their fake negative set up!
Ask! How is it that Airlines as a Nation run zero positives...(That's Impossible!)

Here's how Travel Rort app works...
Travel pass digs up a vegemite reaction so gotta visit Qantas Doc for $500 patch..
https://fr-fr.facebook.com/iata.org/videos/181575150313337/
Qantas is the fox in the hen house! Cuts out the middleman.
Dr Qantas bills you $500 for deadly exotic freckle if you fly over the Equator....etc:
Travel Pass app is a guilt trip wherever you wear it you'll be a Qantas slave.
Repeat! You can only use Qantas approved medicos & Hot Hotels etc...worldwide.
Of course our Govt will approve the scam & win a kickback as med supplier.

Airlines are fooling travellers that all are clean...they only want yer soul! Wake Up!
No Vax = $500 Fake Test to shut the other fuckers up. All clear (Cough) for take off.

Lufthansa 1 day rapid test return quarantine super spread virus thru Europe
Every Airline Rapid Test has started a record new wave...do not fall for it!

ALP / LNP / AMA / Dentists / Olympics prefer structured Tier roll-out!
None are prepared for wild rushed Qantas outbreaks of monkey business.

72,600 Poll
62% prefer to wait their turn or die if possible.
38% will jump 5 tiers of society & kill grandma to get the monkey upgrade.
These VIP's are already on board & paying off their Qantas Travel Pass app.

[457] Southern Mission Slaves will be exempted from Qantvax branding.
Once a Slave is branded they have rights & Scomo has obligation, then rort is over.

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truebluebasher commented Wednesday, 25 Nov 2020 at 1:24am

Qantas Covid Record

Feb: Qantas...
"The risk of someone in the workplace being infected by the virus is very very low."
SA Qandemic of 34 Staff cases & 750 Staff quarantined.
"Qantas showed shocking disregard for safety as coronavirus spread thru Airport."

Qantas boss blamed the workers & chucked report in the bin!

93% of Qantas Staff Oz wide are worried about work safety during pandemic.

Qantas Boss could maybe win over 10% of staff before telling Aussies to fuck off!
Surely this creep is having a laugh!
No one will ever trust him on Covid safety & nor should they...

PS:
He was asked about the different exotic vaxes, but hadn't given it much thought?
Note: He runs a fucking Global Airline Business & he's unaware of other countries?
Seriously! He's mandating a Global vax with no idea or map or Globe...(Expert?)
(Maybe he should try sipping on the pink lemonade monkey vax?)

He means all must use his mandatory Quantvax or $500 test or $1500 hotel.
Yeah! Boss of the year...runs for Mr Nice Guy...I'll save ya!...most have said No thanx!

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shortenism commented Wednesday, 25 Nov 2020 at 8:53am

Yeah sorry about the psyche comment Pops, I innerstand. To a 5 yr old I would say this. What you think, you create & don't ever forget it kid. There are many studies showing that frequency generated from thought can influence matter inside (the physical body) and outside / around us. You would have seen the I think the Japanese fella and his photographs of H2O molecular structures after having people direct emotion at different vales. The question is what is the thought energy you give off and how does it effect matter.. We also know that an Opera singer can crack a glass hitting a certain pitch (voice vs thought energy differences vs similarities?). If you are in fear, violent, anger etc you resonate at a vibration on one level, when you are light, joyful, loving you are vibrating at a higher level. Like a low vs high pitch? We've all felt it.

Further, I have a bit of a wacko family member (at least I used to think they were) who has a frequency unit, which they use to direct frequency at many and varied ailments. They can do it either directly by putting pads on for example an arthritic knee or by scanning your DNA from a finger nail, hair or blood sample and run it remotely. So for example they could run a certain healing frequency from the machine while you're down the coast with no contact with anything. Wild ei.

So anyway, my earlier point is that there is no way in hell that mainstream pharma would want you to find a way to resonate out of the fear realm. If they understand what I have loosely explained and they do at the top, they would know that if we move out of the fear realm (low vibration state) and into the realm of unlimited possibility and love, then their sales will quickly plummet and some serious questions about how the hell w'eve been caged here for so long will get asked.

Yep I've cut across language like thought energy, voice/pitch, vibrations, resonate, frequency. Its loose but I'm sure you can find a common thread.

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shortenism commented Wednesday, 25 Nov 2020 at 8:50am

Lets see Allan Joyce get a dose first. I guarantee you there is no way in hell he will take it.

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freeride76 commented Wednesday, 25 Nov 2020 at 8:59am

why not?

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Craig commented Wednesday, 25 Nov 2020 at 9:03am

I get what you're saying shortenism, and like that train of thinking, ie positive thoughts and energy and manifestation, but in regards to Masaru Emoto, there were holes and flaws in his experiments..

"Commentators have criticized Emoto for insufficient experimental controls and for not sharing enough details of his approach with the scientific community. In addition, Emoto has been criticized for designing his experiments in ways that leave them prone to manipulation or human error influencing the findings. Biochemist and Director of Microscopy at University College Cork William Reville wrote, "It is very unlikely that there is any reality behind Emoto's claims." Reville noted the lack of scientific publication and pointed out that anyone who could demonstrate such a phenomenon would become immediately famous and probably wealthy."

There's also a big difference between looking after yourself, mind body soul to be healthy to battle certain diseases and cancers etc, but the advancement and huge leaps in medicine allow us to nip some of the worst of these in the bud.

Some of these viruses/diseases will totally debilitate and majorly impact the human body no matter how healthy and this is where the vaccines etc are invaluable. To possibly expose your children to the risk or ailment when it can be easily and safely prevented is just plain dangerous and negligent.

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shortenism commented Wednesday, 25 Nov 2020 at 9:11am

The simple answer is = He's a smart fella.

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 25 Nov 2020 at 9:22am

Taking the word and advice of medical specialists literally can often be dangerous too . The middle ground is the answer.

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shortenism commented Wednesday, 25 Nov 2020 at 9:25am

Yep Craig, not arguing against the fact that medicine/science and all that is really really important and does some great things, which we all benefit from.

There's a common thread though with the 'commentators' decimation of stuff that gets beyond a point of what modern (limited / academic science/physics) understands or wants you to understand. And its not the scientists fault, you have to follow the money back 250yrs or whatever.

To expose children to processed sugars, fats, GMO grains etc is plain dangerous and negligent. But why does that get through the keeper?? As is us spending $Billions on a vaccine when whats the annual mortality of starvation and heart disease globally compared to the crown virus? Surely you can see that..

Further I was walking through a city last week and a fella walks past me pulls his mask off his face and lights up a dart... I mean really... Whats the cost impact on our health system there, how many deaths from that... Why wasn't he arrested for exposing me to his stench. Again straight past the keeper... I know you're gonna say but a virus can spread uncontrollably and smoking is a choice.. Nah. If you are in fear of any dis-ease get some sunshine, fresh air, eat organic food, breath and connect with yourself. Spend billions on that SCOMO and see where we get to.

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shortenism commented Wednesday, 25 Nov 2020 at 10:06am
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Pops commented Wednesday, 25 Nov 2020 at 10:07am

Thanks for the response shortenism; I think I understand your view a bit better now. Definitely agree with you on the irony of pulling a mask off to suck a fag etc.
Busy day today, but I'll leave you with one thought:

How we gain understanding is just as (if not more) important as what we understand.

Showing that a technique/therapy/etc can produce predictable and repeatable effects under controlled conditions is an extremely powerful way to gain understanding of it - much more powerful than anecdotal evidence. Coupling that with a peer review process (where results and methodology are picked apart by one's peers and rivals) is more powerful again. That's what is done to help understand whether/how vaccines and medicines work and to what extent they are safe - and yes, until such time as full results are published and peer review, a dose of scepticism is healthy.

As far as I am aware, there has never been an example of "thought energy" (perhaps telekenesis and the like would be suitable word?) being demonstrated to have any impact on the physical world under controlled conditions, let alone in a repeatable manner. In fact, for a couple of decades there was a million dollar (US) prize open to anyone who could do so. Until this occurs, it seems that wisdom and pragmatism suggests that therapies & techniques that enjoy the stronger evidence base provided by such controlled tests are the safer bet (putting any questions of ethics aside).

Though there is one similar idea to your "thought energy" that does enjoy some evidential support: positive/negative thought patterns do appear to have a corresponding effect on ones own physical health!

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 25 Nov 2020 at 10:30am

Pops - What you are referring to is the shortfall of science. Just because science is still too limited in its ability to account for something does not mean that something doesn’t exist .

Show me the science which can define and quantify that most powerful human ability - the ability to hope for a better world / life .

Does hope not exist because science cannot measure it ?

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stunet commented Wednesday, 25 Nov 2020 at 10:43am

"Just because science is still too limited in its ability to account for something does not mean that something doesn’t exist ."

He moves in mysterious ways.

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 25 Nov 2020 at 10:45am

God is just another form of hope.

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Pops commented Wednesday, 25 Nov 2020 at 10:47am

Totally agree - lack of evidence is not evidence of lack.

Though the fact that even with a million dollar prize on the line (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Dollar_Paranormal_Challenge), no one* has ever been able to demonstrate any kind of "thought energy" affecting the external world (outside one's own body) does seem to say something - and that isn't down to insufficiently advanced experimental techniques or such; the premise of the prize was more along the lines of "hey, you've been claiming you can do this amazing stuff, come and show it to me in a sterile room under controlled conditions and I'll give you a million bucks".

And believe me, I'm not closed to the idea that such things might be possible - I'm far from a naturalist (see my ramblings on the all things religion thread). Merely being pragmatic in weighing up evidence as we now have it.

(*In the past few decades - while the prize was open)

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Sheepdog commented Wednesday, 25 Nov 2020 at 10:59am

"SD -- my area is logic, metaphysics, and phil of mind, not ethics. i've never really gone through the arguments and come to my own conclusion".
If that's the case, chook, you would be anti vaccine. LOGICALLY, there are too many humans on the planet. LOGICALLY , allowing genetically weak and compromised humans to breed creates more problemns in the long run. We see that in farm animals where I'm from. Screw those pesky ethics, right chook?
BUT...... I put it to you that your 3 posts were merely waffle, avoidance of my simple yes or no question. In fact, instead of answering, you assumed my pov, then threw about 6 questions at me.
LOGICALLY, what do you think your chances are of me bothering to answer your multpile questions, when you can't even answer one of mine?
I'll try again. Are you anti abortion?

Sheepdog

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chook commented Wednesday, 25 Nov 2020 at 11:25am

ok...so you missed the point there SD.

i don't know whether abortion is right or wrong.
likewise, you don't know whether abortion is right or wrong. nobody does.
so stop going around pretending that you do know and telling other people what they should or shouldn't do based on your mere uninformed opinion.

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Sheepdog commented Wednesday, 25 Nov 2020 at 12:48pm

Gaslighting doesn't work on me Chook. Bottomline is you don't know, You've "never really gone through the arguments and come to my own conclusion". But you sure come to conclusions on others POVs quickly.
Grow some balls. Stop being Waldorf from the muppets. Man up.

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chook commented Wednesday, 25 Nov 2020 at 12:57pm

ok, so you claim to know whether abortion is wrong or right.
so tell me, how do you know abortion is wrong/right?

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 25 Nov 2020 at 4:32pm

Pops - apologies mate , I must have missed parts of the thread and hadn’t realised that the premise being discussed was ability to control external events with the mind . I’m not sure about that at all but still wouldn’t did,is it as impossible.

I thought the discussion was affecting ones internal functions and functionality with mind control. That hasn’t been scientifically proven but I’ve got no doubt as to its existence.

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Pops commented Wednesday, 25 Nov 2020 at 4:44pm

All good blowin.
IIRC There actually is a growing body of evidence that suggests that one's mental states does actually seem have very real effects on health etc... I'm not particular up on more recent developments in that field, but remember reading a number of articles about five years ago or so.
A very quick google search gave me this book review... I've only skim read it but might be interesting to you (it seems to talk about the things I remember reading).. https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/do_our_minds_affect_our_he...

But yeah, the mind affecting stuff outside the body is a rather different kettle of fish.

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Pops commented Wednesday, 25 Nov 2020 at 4:46pm

Here's another one, on the (still not particularly well understood) placebo effect:
https://www.health.harvard.edu/mental-health/the-power-of-the-placebo-ef...

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Tony Jack Clancy commented Wednesday, 3 Feb 2021 at 1:32pm

Pot-Pouri?...or ..."on the nose" and at the end, thinking about South Stene and the Carlton Street survivors

Interesting discussion. Had to smile with Blowing suffering not vaccination but vacillation suggesting (antivaxers) 'They need a punch in the face' (The Trump solution) then later objecting to the idea of 'punch in the face'. Variation is the spice oflife.

Perhaps Islanders still have low immunity to measles which means that as we did with may aboriginals, could wipe them out. That would assist the budget here but unfortuntaely would open up new 'defence locations' for the Chinese advancement towards a country of which they already own plenty of ground and assets. 'Chums' annual coming into the 20th Century was ahead of its time with tales of crime from 'the yellow peril'. "peace' really is just a dreamtime....the world is controlled by a few psychpaths and narcissists ...and the multitude cops the outcome while the power-elite joust with each other and swap masonic handshakes.

A really interesting book written on the experience of the doctors dealing with Ebola way back when and then moving forward is "The Coming Plague" ...Laurie Garrett. A good read and easy read but not a comfort. From memory the main culprit for not preventing disease...was USA.

We have the plague now....but like climate change/global warming unless we work together and take the precautions and change our way of living, it will continue relentlessly. Distancing only helps...do they really think the virus disappears when breath and spittle drops are leaving the mouth and rapidly carried by air movement and exit velocity amongst other not-masked people.

Bewhiskered/unshaven people wearing masks neither get nor give proper protection, nor those who drape it around their neck or cover mouth only. It's been a year now and still resistance is itself endemic as seen at Bondi and numeus other places.. That said I thank my (deceased) parents that I was born here and fate that I spent my years living abroad some years befrore this virus.

Virus-Mutation...I'd never thought of Darwin as much more than 'raw'. Interesting term "raw"...a sort of inoffensive critique... used by a Catholic priest in conversation with me when I worked (service work) at the Hari's at North Sydney. I was very keen on Gail (Gophamater) which was mutual and the food as well. The priest described the Catholic Church ...I being also catholic by birth....as "raw"...which set me thinking about it. Hmmmm. Maybe not raw-enough, lost sight of its roots.

Laure Garrett wrote of the tricks bacteria pulled when the body prevented access where it wanted....To give an idea of 'how long ago' she wrote that the Bacteria would create a crisis elsewhere in the body...the body's defences would be rushed to there and entry taken by the bacteria where wished...she referred to it as the bacteria seeming to have a 'floppy disc' of tricks. My opinion...as an opinion ..has been that our present virus is not just mutating in an golling stream of variations but has an intelligence. It would prefer to keep its hosts alive but needs to stay ahead of any defences.

When people consider that idea really stupid, I refer to jellyfish with no brains yet having 4 usable sets of eyes. Surely that denotes intelligence...? A virus extremely rapidly adapting to some goal of its own is, however ,'just mutating'....no intelligence needed.

I'ntelligence' ...Hawkings the doyen of science put it as 'the ability to adapt to change'...I think that's an over-statement, a broad view but, well, it has merit....On that singular concept, setting aside my own outlook, the virus is intelligent. What else is intelligent that has been little considered??

It's now less uncommonly known that older trees nourish younger, passing them carbon, that some over-grazed bushes signal others which then make themselves immediately unpallatable; roots and fungi work together to transmit information.

LIkely to get some personal flack for the suggestion, it seems to me that one of our great problems is thinking we are the most intelligent life-form on the planet. Were we not here would the planet be in better shape and some equilibrium reached amongst the species?.. We may be, rather, the most broad-brush destructive and self-destructive thing on the planet and around the outside of it littering space junk and reparing for "star-war' . I wonder whether ultimately we are going backwards or 'forewards and what truly is intelligenceIt reminds me think of the flower which has a perfect model of a female bee on its lip to attract the male to ultimately fertilse the plant itself. It doesn't have to wear makeup or sexy clothes ...

I wonder why almost all varieties of orchids are fertilised not by bees but by wasps. There has to be intelligence within all the countless natural interactions trying to take place as we humans focus on returning to a serfdom through being ocntrolled by the power-elite local and alien. If we go down to serfdom again it is one so well organised that we can never overcome it (New World Order)

Anyone wathed Fritz Lang's "Metropolis" lately

I regreted alsways and with such guilt that my daughter's teeth were discoloured through vaccination. We think we know it all...don't we?...but we know so little about what we don't know. Will, for example,the CV19 get around the vaccines?....what other damage have 'survivors' suffered from exposure to it whether whether diagnosed or not? At this stage vaccination is a big experiment.

2019, when I thought I had silicosis (and may yet have it) I was completing my Masters in OHSE management. The breathing problem arrived almost at the same time as did te research opportunity. I researched silicosis and was somewhat alarmed at the nature and severity of seemingly unconnected diseases it can cause. I can say where I was exposed to those dusts but the statutory limits on dust inhalation over 8 hours/day does not specify only silicon...we know very little about the quantum and the disease. WHS in Qld did an audit, which was well enough known to be coming, of SE Qld silicon sawers and even so in that 'light' survey issued over 500 penalties/notices. Silicon and asbestos also do not just drop to the ground inside the 'works'. Their effect on us may make us more vulnerable to the virus.

A G-P would be unlikely to have scans done for silicosis when treating symptoms of one of the 'offshoot diseases'. blowin made a comment about wanting/not wanting asbestosis I never wanted asbestosis but I have it. MY major known exposure was air-laden in a ship in dry-ock at Garden Island dockyard over several days. The courts (perhaps trying to reduce claims on behalf of Hardy's and the like) say 3 years exposure is minimum. OhB/S!!...Whilst rambling on here wearing masks always would be wise protection against diesel and macadam and tyre dusts...

n closing on this collection of thoughts...does anyone know how to contact Jeff "Fungus" Hollands/Fergus, Dick Stewart who moved from Hunters Hill to Qld long ago (worked for Fire Control at Brookie), Peter "Thommo" Thompson's son who asked information about his father in these columns, Toni Balmer (blonde cutie..yes female!!...from Sth Steyne) and Geraldine McClintock who, it was suggested, is now in UK. Please let me know if so as I'd like to drop a line.