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Blowin started the topic in Friday, 21 Jun 2019 at 8:01am

Have it cunts

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AndyM Thursday, 21 Apr 2022 at 5:50pm
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'Australia spent a million dollars training me – and now I’m leaving'

https://www.smh.com.au/education/australia-has-spent-a-million-dollars-t...

The clever country?

Hardly.

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mattlock Thursday, 21 Apr 2022 at 5:57pm

Poor fella my country.

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andy-mac Thursday, 21 Apr 2022 at 7:16pm
AndyM wrote:
stunet wrote:

'Australia spent a million dollars training me – and now I’m leaving'

https://www.smh.com.au/education/australia-has-spent-a-million-dollars-t...

The clever country?

Hardly.

Was at Uni in 90's in a Business/LOTE faculty when Howard started huge cuts to the language departments.... LNP just want to cut down anything worth while their mates cannot make money on. How the higher education sector was treated over Covid is a disgrace.
They know the price of everything and the value of nothing.... Problem is they may save a bit in short term, but lose lots in long term.... Australia loses....
Yep poor fella my country...

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blackers Thursday, 21 Apr 2022 at 7:39pm
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ummm...our best and brightest don't do their PhDs in Australia. the best and brightest do their undergraduate studies in Australia, earn a first class honours and then are offered scholarships to do a PhDs at an Ivy League in the US.

And most of those return to Australia after 10 to fifteen years in the US. So, the balance book is definitely in favour of Australia on this one. It's the US paying for our best and brightest.

I take your first point chook if you are only considering the top few, but that still leaves plenty who dont get that opportunity who still can make a real contribution here. I find it so disappointing that we can’t offer a pathway within the country. No need for any pretence that we have a plan to be anything more as a nation than an exporter of things dug up.
As for it being the fault of the universities milking the cash cow of international students, why did that happen? Starve them of other income sources, make them act as businesses so they have to find other ways. Another gift from John Howard that just keeps on giving.

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san Guine Sunday, 24 Apr 2022 at 1:46pm
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goofyfoot Sunday, 24 Apr 2022 at 6:19pm
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For those on the MP
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2022/apr/24/got-your-visa-victorias-c...

Hahaha wow what a write up that was.

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Nick Bone Sunday, 24 Apr 2022 at 6:29pm

Hahaha

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udo Sunday, 24 Apr 2022 at 6:30pm

Ha love it ...As a grom i always remember reading in Tracks letters early mid 70s Port Fairy having very heavy locals.

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bluediamond Sunday, 24 Apr 2022 at 6:51pm
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Ha love it ...As a grom i always remember reading in Tracks letters early mid 70s Port Fairy having very heavy locals.

Have a pretty classic tale of the SA boys taking on the Lorne locals in late 90's when we were over there for the falls festival. They came looking for trouble and trying to impose themselves. A very sad and sorry ending for the Lorne lads. Not sure what they were protecting...Lorne Point??

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jwithay Sunday, 24 Apr 2022 at 7:29pm
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Have a pretty classic tale of the SA boys taking on the Lorne locals in late 90's when we were over there for the falls festival. They came looking for trouble and trying to impose themselves. A very sad and sorry ending for the Lorne lads. Not sure what they were protecting...Lorne Point??

Would love to hear it if you'd like to share bluediamond. The idea of defending Lorne Point gave me a good laugh, cheers!

Also, read the other week that the Falls site is moving out Birregurra way, end of an era for the erskine location.

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bluediamond Sunday, 24 Apr 2022 at 8:58pm
jwithay wrote:
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Have a pretty classic tale of the SA boys taking on the Lorne locals in late 90's when we were over there for the falls festival. They came looking for trouble and trying to impose themselves. A very sad and sorry ending for the Lorne lads. Not sure what they were protecting...Lorne Point??

Would love to hear it if you'd like to share bluediamond. The idea of defending Lorne Point gave me a good laugh, cheers!

Also, read the other week that the Falls site is moving out Birregurra way, end of an era for the erskine location.

Ahh i have to be very careful as to not drop people in it...but simply put, we arrived for a big night at Lorne pub, the night b4 the falls....had a great night, no dramas, we were always respectful of all.....decided to set up camp at the SLSC below, were down the beach and found some crew trashing one of our cars...... which put our prized predator into action. We were lucky to have him.. our seacret weapon with us. All i can say is no one is Tuffa than the M......
They came back with weapons of all sorts but stood no chance. It was a pretty hectic situation for me and most of the crew. Very bloody violent as was often the situation when our mate was involved (still is). Seeing crew up on the road with axes and all sorts of shit. Luckily our secret weapon was one of the greatest on the planet....no names though! hehe. Never saw them again after that.

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seeds Sunday, 24 Apr 2022 at 9:37pm

Ha I used to enjoy those nights out. Now I cringe thinking of it hoping my boys never end up there

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jwithay Sunday, 24 Apr 2022 at 9:49pm

Haha thanks for the tale, long live the weapon!

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bluediamond Sunday, 24 Apr 2022 at 10:49pm

haha. No worries Jwithay. The weapon lives on and inspires many. A top top shelf bloke too. Cheers for prompting a flashback. Strangely many life moments have happened on that Lorne strip out of proportion to the time spent there. Best part was the waves...just a wee bit out of there. Yew!

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bluediamond Monday, 25 Apr 2022 at 3:07pm

Found out from my dad this year that this bloke is my Nana's dads brother,or my Great Uncle.
https://www.awm.gov.au/visit/exhibitions/fiftyaustralians/35
Was blown away. The highest decorated soldier in the British empire in WW1.
Lest we forget to all the fallen soldiers who fought for our freedoms in those terrible wars. Absolute heroes . Each and every one of them.

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seeds Monday, 25 Apr 2022 at 3:25pm

Great piece of family history. Do you still have relatives in Queensland.

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bluediamond Monday, 25 Apr 2022 at 3:36pm

Yeah a few @seeds...fnq. ithink the old boys putting a bkok together on mad harry.Im fascinated to learn more.

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seeds Monday, 25 Apr 2022 at 3:46pm

Nice. I love the outback and it’s people. Genuine people that you always can have a real chat to when travelling. People and the landscape.

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bluediamond Monday, 25 Apr 2022 at 3:53pm

Agreed mate. Its the real Australia, especially once yo get West of the divide. Every Australian needs to see it at least once.

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velocityjohnno Monday, 25 Apr 2022 at 5:32pm

Great stuff BD.

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bluediamond Monday, 25 Apr 2022 at 6:20pm

Cheers VJ. Just reading about his efforts on this day, and how him and his machine gunner fought no against the Turks into the next two days, despite being wounded. So keen to know more. Makes you wonder how many individual stories there must be. Have read a few books on the two world wars, particularly the first. Pretty cool to find out someone in the bloodlines was such a key player in it, and a hero. Blows me away the more i learn about this legend. What a horrible time to be alive. I bet there's hundreds of Mad Harrys on both sides. No winners in war, but respect to all that stood up when it counted. Hard to comprehend in this day and age. Alot of people could learn alot from this...myself included! ha

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bluediamond Monday, 25 Apr 2022 at 6:27pm

And i reckon this is worth sharing for the reality of war. Lest we forget.
The full citation for Murray's Victoria Cross appeared in a supplement to the London Gazette on 10 March 1917, reading:[31]

"War Office, 10th March, 1917

His Majesty the KING has been graciously pleased to approve of the award of the Victoria Cross to the undermentioned Officer and Non-Commissioned Officer: –

Capt. Henry William Murray, D.S.O., Aus. infy.

For most conspicuous bravery when in command of the right flank company in attack. He led his company to the assault with great skill and courage, and the position was quickly captured. Fighting of a very severe nature followed, and three heavy counter-attacks were beaten back, these successes being due to Captain Murray's wonderful work.

Throughout the night his company suffered heavy casualties through concentrated enemy shell fire, and on one occasion gave ground for a short way. This gallant officer rallied his command and saved the situation by sheer valour.

He made his presence felt throughout the line, encouraging his men, heading bombing parties, leading bayonet charges, and carrying wounded to places of safety.

His magnificent example inspired his men throughout."

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bluediamond Monday, 25 Apr 2022 at 6:31pm

And just a shout out to my Nana, Harry's niece, Frieda who's health's taken a bit of a turn the last week or so. She's a great woman and sharp as a tack, a classic strong woman of these bloodlines. 93 and charging.

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velocityjohnno Tuesday, 26 Apr 2022 at 9:17pm

That's quite profound BD. And hope your Nanna is well. Have shared previously my great uncle was at Milne Bay and similar to the story above, imagine to be in that situation... Hmm. Lest we Forget.

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bluediamond Tuesday, 26 Apr 2022 at 9:24pm

Wow. Nah didn't know that about your great uncle VJ.
Thanks for the thoughts. Waiting to find out more from dad.
Cheers mate.

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velocityjohnno Tuesday, 26 Apr 2022 at 9:26pm

Now, I have got something absolutely friggen awesome to share.

A pet love is to look back as far as I can into history:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23230990-700-in-search-of-the-ver...

What we have here, in Genevieve von Petzinger's work, is the finding of 32 common symbols - as close to dammit as writing - in cave art in Europe up to 40,000 years old.

She is quite amazing, she's the first to go through Europe's caves and painstakingly categorise them, so this research is a first, first of a growing field.

She identified 32 symbols, that were used, largely unchanged for 30,000 years! The precursors of cuneiform, and writing, perhaps.

Even more mindblowing: (get ready)

https://images.newscientist.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/mg30990701.jpg

The symbols were consistent around the world!

"That fits well with the discovery of a 70,000-year-old block of ochre etched with cross-hatching in Blombos cave in South Africa. And when von Petzinger looked through archaeology papers for mentions or illustrations of symbols in cave art outside Europe, she found that many of her 32 signs were used around the world (see “Consistent doodles”). There is even tantalising evidence that an earlier human, Homo erectus, deliberately etched a zigzag on a shell on Java some 500,000 years ago. “The ability of humans to produce a system of signs is clearly not something that starts 40,000 years ago. This capacity goes back at least 100,000 years,” says Francesco d’Errico from the University of Bordeaux, France."

Here's a visual presentation of it:

Incredible. It fits in with sighting circular forms in Tasmania, and being blown away seeing pictures from Germany with the same forms.

Global society? Imagine that.

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bluediamond Tuesday, 26 Apr 2022 at 9:46pm

Can't wait to have a proper look at this VJ. Awesome. Cheers!

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seeds Tuesday, 26 Apr 2022 at 9:58pm

That was an interesting read VJ. That picture of the same symbols around the world is amazing.

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jwithay Tuesday, 26 Apr 2022 at 10:11pm

Very cool vj...good food for thought. Similarities with what Joseph Campbell unearthed exploring the myths and creation stories of various ancient cultures. Many commonalities across disconnected peoples. A common consciousness we share and tap in to? Simplicity moving to complexity, and back again (the emoji reference at the end of your link). It brings to mind a line of T.S Eliots...

“We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.”

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batfink Wednesday, 27 Apr 2022 at 3:42pm

Cool VJ. Jwithay, I read a lot of Joseph Campbell’s stuff in my late 20’s. Very interesting stuff although not sure if his theories were ever accepted in academic circles. They certainly were in Hollywood.

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velocityjohnno Wednesday, 27 Apr 2022 at 4:08pm

It's so interesting gents - the idea of deeply shared experiences, eg Great Flood myth and the Day of the Dead/ All Hallows Eve!

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jwithay Wednesday, 27 Apr 2022 at 5:37pm

I think you're right there Batfink. I've read some good critiques of Campbell's work, the man was certainly not without his faults, in opinion and theory, but I reckon some of the main findings of his comparative mythology studies hold weight, at least from my (admittedly layman) understanding of the subject. A better read (and perhaps more academically rigorous) on the topic would be 'Trickster Makes This World' by Lewis Hyde. Its delves specifically in to the trickster myth in ancient cultures and is a fascinating and well researched novel that lends credence to Campbell's overarching theory. All very interesting in any case :)

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velocityjohnno Wednesday, 27 Apr 2022 at 6:42pm

Yep, if you do to many jokes on Odin you'll be made into a horse and bred.

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Constance B Gibson Wednesday, 27 Apr 2022 at 6:53pm

Interesting book, and treatise:

https://theconversation.com/the-memory-code-how-oral-cultures-memorise-s...

I've been to many of these places in Ireland, England, Scotland, France.

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velocityjohnno Wednesday, 27 Apr 2022 at 8:16pm

Yes, the stories become immortal.

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velocityjohnno Wednesday, 27 Apr 2022 at 8:18pm
jwithay wrote:

Very cool vj...good food for thought. Similarities with what Joseph Campbell unearthed exploring the myths and creation stories of various ancient cultures. Many commonalities across disconnected peoples. A common consciousness we share and tap in to? Simplicity moving to complexity, and back again (the emoji reference at the end of your link). It brings to mind a line of T.S Eliots...

“We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.”

Just went for a search while machining stuff in my 'lab'. Campbell, Ricketts, Steinbeck, wow, never knew about that. Loved Cannery Row, very close to my favourite book to this day. Whores and pimps and sons of bitches; virtues and muses and graces...

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zenagain Wednesday, 27 Apr 2022 at 9:04pm

Loved Cannery Row too. Closely followed by The Grapes of Wrath.

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jwithay Wednesday, 27 Apr 2022 at 9:53pm

East of Eden for mine, an all time favourite. Cannery Row a different kettle of fish but not far behind - book brimmed with warmth. Steinbeck treated his characters with such dignity, even the villains.

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Patrick Saturday, 30 Apr 2022 at 10:50am

Perspective ~

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jwithay Saturday, 30 Apr 2022 at 12:16pm

On topic of language...

Mushrooms Use Electric Spike Syntax Resembling Words To Talk, New Study Shows

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AndyM Saturday, 30 Apr 2022 at 12:42pm

Maybe that’s where Barnaby got it from.

Sorry wrong thread.

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batfink Saturday, 30 Apr 2022 at 10:17pm

Ha, jwithay.

I watched “Fantastic fungi” on Netflix and came out of it thinking that mycelium might be the intelligent life force on the planet!

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jwithay Sunday, 1 May 2022 at 11:55am

I've had a few fairly humbling, insightful chats with its intelligence over the years ;)

With proper funding, fungi research could lead to a whole host of revolutionary new practices in farming, waste disposal, bio-degradables (plastic problem addressed)...so many healthy eco-friendly possibilities. I've heard it described as natures alchemist. If it is talking, we gotta learn to listen!

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blackers Sunday, 1 May 2022 at 1:51pm
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Perspective ~
https://youtu.be/gcYW2iTbHOY

Perspective indeed. Thanks Patrick, that was a really positive contribution. Well worth a watch.

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stunet Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 11:55am

"I know that there is so much happening that should concern me. Crisis and revolution, war and bushfires, the pandemic and the shifts in the superpowers … But there is nothing I can offer anymore to illuminate any of that. And these days, when I read novels that are all crisis and revolution, war and bushfires, I am nauseated by their arrogance and their naivety. Every bloody novelist sounds the same now … All the same cant, all the same desire to shape the world to their academic whims and aspirations … Not one moment of beauty."
-Christos Tsiolkas

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 12:27pm

Alternatively….there’s this option. An option I wholeheartedly recommend.

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AndyM Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 3:28pm

This one's for Stu

"Paul Kelly's 'How To Make Gravy' is set to become a Christmas film"

Essential viewing for all the family.

https://www.abc.net.au/doublej/music-reads/music-news/how-to-make-gravy-...