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Shatner'sBassoon started the topic in Friday, 6 Nov 2015 at 7:48pm

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goofyfoot commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 9:01am

Jeez blindboy you must be the life of every party..

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blindboy commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 10:45am

No problems there goofy. I don't often encounter that kind of crap though. More to the point, anyone you say that to is quite entitled to take it at face value which means you are guilty of sexual harassment. So it's a phrase well worth removing from your vocabulary.

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Blowin commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 11:04am

What a load of tripe , BB.

You think that homosexuals own fellatio ? Homosexuals have absolutely nothing to do with my insult to you. I know you’re a heterosexual male . What defines your heterosexuality is your dislike of sucking dick. That’s why I said that you could suck my dick - because to a heterosexual male it would be a very unpleasant experience .

Sort your shit out , mate. You’ve got these little triggers which you assume might offend the abstract concept of certain types of people . Problem is that it’s a hair trigger which shoots at shadows and enemies which are not there.

Anyone is not entitled to misrepresent what is said to them. It’s quite astonishing that you’d consider me homophobic. Just because I personally don’t want a man thrusting into my precious date doesn’t make me scared of those that do.

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blindboy commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 11:09am

That is your lowest point yet Blowin. Illogical, aggressive and unpleasant. One of theese days you will wake up to the fact that we are living in 2019 not 1960. Good luck with that.
"You think that homosexuals own fellatio ? Homosexuals have absolutely nothing to do with my insult to you."

You tell me to suck your dick and it has nothing to do with homosexuality? It would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.

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Blowin commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 11:36am

Huh ? Just because homosexuals like to suck dick doesn’t mean they are being referenced when I tell you to suck my dick.

If you were gay it’d be an invite , because you’re not it’s an insult. I still don’t see how it has anything to do with homosexuals. In fact I know it doesn’t have anything to do with them.

I tell you what’s pathetic, you taking offence as a proxy for the offence of others . Do you even know any gay people ?

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blindboy commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 11:45am

Logic? Nah why bother!

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Blowin commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 11:53am

You know any gay people well , BB?

Don’t you think it’s strange that my gay brother, his partner and his mates wouldn’t take offence to me telling you to suck my dick , but you take offence for them ?

Oh oh .....how are you going to feel when I tell you that you can stick your opinions in your arse ?

That’s your whole deal .....fake grievances and the appropriation of offence.

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Blowin commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 12:10pm

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blindboy commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 12:28pm

Indifferent to the point of boredom.

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blindboy commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 12:35pm

Of course I could sue.

Sexual harassment is an unwelcome sexual advance, unwelcome request for sexual favours or other unwelcome conduct of a sexual nature which makes a person feel offended, humiliated and/or intimidated, where a reasonable person would anticipate that reaction in the circumstances.
The Sex Discrimination Act 1984 (Cth) defines the nature and circumstances in which sexual harassment is unlawful. It is also unlawful for a person to be victimised for making, or proposing to make, a complaint of sexual harassment to the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission.
Examples of sexually harassing behaviour include:

* insults or taunts based on sex;

No probably not but you leave yourself open if you use that kind of language.

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indo-dreaming commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 12:55pm

I can't even believe this conversation is happening.

I think i have a crush on Debra Soh.

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simba commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 1:31pm

yeah time to settle down a bit .Go for a surf both of yas.

simba

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Blowin commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 2:06pm

So , having a polite discussion about a completely unrelated topic , I get spuriously accused of racism- again - in order to silence an opinion.

Then I get spuriously accused of hating and oppressing gay people ( homophobia ) after being driven to deliver an insult.

Now I’m threatened with a lawsuit regarding sexual assault by an adult male Australian.

Pretty much everything that’s wrong with the modern world right there.

How about you go fuck YOURSELF then , BB ? That way your won’t be intimidated or offended by anyone else’s unwelcome sexual advances or conduct.

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indo-dreaming commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 3:49pm

The aim is two things to shut down conversation and to try to devalue your opinion.

The lefts specialise in these tactics, be it an internet forum or TV or even politicians debating.

Just remember when these tactics are used, it's generally because they don't have anything of substance to come back at you with.

I think i have a crush on Debra Soh.

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blindboy commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 4:11pm

Mate I am quite happy to continue that conversation at anytime since almost everything Blowin posted was factually incorrect. And yes, when someone introduces race into a debate that has nothing to do with it I will call it out as a racist dog whistle. Chinese grandmothers! What was wrong with just grandmothers! Further, I will also call out homophobic slurs, sexist bullshit and any other offensive material. It's free speech remember. You say what you think and I say what I think and I will not be shouted down by a stream of obscene insuls. And yep I will remind people when they have actually broken the law. I did not threaten to sue Blowin, I have more respect for the court's time than to waste it on a trivial piece of idiocy. I pointed out to him that using such language runs the risk of encountering someone less tolerant than me. Indo you should probably go help him build that time machine 'cos it is the only way you are ever going to live in a country that respects your toxic values. Try 1955.

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AndyM commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 4:24pm

Dog whistle, homophobic, sexist, fascist, tolerant, toxic -

Holy shit we're ticking some boxes today.
It's like the fricken Guardian fer Chrissakes.

Patriachy, inclusiveness, misogynist, BINGO!!!!

Progressive Bingo, the game the whole family can play. Sold in all inner city toy stores.

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blindboy commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 4:30pm

Yep Andy they were really progressive ideas around 1995. Now they are the culture we live in I am happy to say. Are you thinking of joining the time machine effort?

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AndyM commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 4:37pm

Mate I don't even know what to say. I think it's just your sheer sanctimony that rubs me the wrong way (no pun intended, don't sue).
And as I've said before, we're largely on the same side but such pious moralising makes me want to fucking retch.

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Blowin commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 4:48pm

Fake left is the new ultra Puritanism.

Puritanism of thought.

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AndyM commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 4:42pm

And I keep forgetting that there's less and less room for irony, sarcasm, black humour and taking the piss in the New Australia, it's pathetic.
Seriously, people are so far up themselves, that part of the culture is disappearing.
Hang on, can I say black humour?

Fucking humour of colour of course!

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Blowin commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 4:44pm

Funny that BB thinks his tiny urban enclave is representative of Australian culture.

Go out to the point and shout Dee Why....why ..why...why into the echo chamber of BB’s life.

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blindboy commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 5:05pm

Blowin, you sound increasingly like some right wing loudmouth bovver boy. I just hope for your own sake you have better manners in person than you do on here. So yeh have another dummy spit. Maybe see if you can come up with something more creative than the cliched obscenities you have thrown at me so far. You could even try researching a topic and posting a logical argument instead of spouting the first load of rubbish that pops into your head.

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blindboy commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 5:15pm

Pious moralising Andy? Maybe I've seen a bit more of the damage done by casual slurs over the years. Can't see any value in it myself. In terms of homophobia, in my lifetime it was unsafe for gay men to come out. They were regularly bashed by gangs of cowardly thugs and they were murdered, thrown off North Head, thrown into the River Torrens etc etc. I have seen some that damage in people I grew up with. You cancall it pious moralising if you like. I just think of it as calling out the arseholes because that's what they are, cowardly pricks so unsure of their own sexual identity they have to attack the sexual identity of others. Sad, pathetic and obnoxious. And the defence that it was not intended is the refuge of the lowest. They cannot even admit to their own fears.

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AndyM commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 5:20pm

I was waiting for the pissing contest.
You've got no idea about me.

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tubeshooter commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 5:20pm

I,m no lawyer ,but it could also be argued that the expression 'suck my dick/cock' is actually a very common 'expression of discontent or aggravation to another party'. I think you would find it hard to prove Blowins words were meant to be taken literally , and/or could be defined as sexual harassment . It would indeed be a frivolous case .

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blindboy commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 5:23pm

No not much of a lawyer, it is a sexual insult and as such falls easily under the legislation.

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blindboy commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 5:25pm

So Andy it's OK for you to accuse me of pious moralising but not for me to defend myself? Yeh right!

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AndyM commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 5:50pm

It's definitely ok for me to accuse you of pious moralising because that is exactly what've you done.
I'm loathe to go there but of the dozens of gay guys I know (yes, really!) none are pious moralisers, so I don't see that you have an excuse except moral vanity.
Edit - actually there’s one guy I know who gets on his high horse but he’s 17 and new on the scene. Do you know what I’m saying BB?

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sypkan commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 6:59pm

can't believe some haven't picked up on what you're saying andym.

The gay scenes that I've been exposed to are full of varied and extremely politically incorrect positions and language. Much like the indigenous community funnily enough. You might even call it diversity.

Yet we are presented these homogeneous one size fits all portrayals of these 'identities'.

Trump and his supposed homophobia is a great example. Gays for trump banners at trump rallies were a glaring contradictory inconvenience. Gays getting excommunicated from gaydom because they don't fit the mould is another.

It's a very narrow worldview.

Don't want to pile on blindboy, but I watched redfern now last night. You ever watch it? How's the 'language' go down with you?

Black comedy the show, you ever watched it?

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indo-dreaming commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 6:12pm

If we all get into suing each other for insults...

Poor old crypto is going to be in very deep debt.

I think i have a crush on Debra Soh.

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factotum commented Saturday, 9 Feb 2019 at 12:24am

"Lifty cum in you , you cum on floor....was beautiful"

New low or just a 'calling Dr Freud' moment?

Creepy.

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Blowin commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 6:58pm

Blind boy - By all means attack homophobics . I’ll back you completely.

It’s your ridiculous misuse of the term that’s the problem.

Calling me a homophobe is offensive to me ....don’t you get that ? It’s like accusing me of being a paedophile . Yet you just throw terms around like that irrespective of how little they’re warranted just because you’re a self righteous git. And don’t attempt to frame what I’ve said as threatening to someone because it just wasn’t. I’ve grown up with my sole sibling as a gay person and been involved in with his mates and their scene since day dot.

One of his best male mates that half lived at our house became a woman nearly 30 years before Caitlin Jenner made it all good to be who you wanted to be. Fancy you lecturing me on the sometimes sorry plight of people being different in this world. So spare your sanctimony and just concentrate on yourself.

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Blowin commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 7:01pm

Like a rat to a sewer .....here’s Facto .

The ambulance chaser himself.

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sypkan commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 7:11pm

"...Pious moralising Andy? Maybe I've seen a bit more of the damage done by casual slurs over the years. Can't see any value in it myself. In terms of homophobia, in my lifetime it was unsafe for gay men to come out. They were regularly bashed by gangs of cowardly thugs and they were murdered, thrown off North Head, thrown into the River Torrens etc etc. I have seen some that damage in people I grew up with."

To be fair to blindboy, this is where he's coming from.

But I would argue the world has well and truly moved on since then. A victory for your generation blindboy. Work well done.

But you guys are still fighting the 1970s fight, you still think it's all about language and being the gate keepers of the slightest indiscretions. The populous has matured since then. Matured and moved on finding their own equilibrium. An equilibrium that chose comedy and culture over puritanism.

Yeh there's still homophobes,but they're so small in numbers and mind they're not worth worrying about. Besides you aren't likely to change their minds anyway.

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tubeshooter commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 9:01pm

Blindboy , I maybe no lawyer but that doesn't make me ignorant in the way real courts process claims such as yours.
To set that precedent every knucklehead that comments on youtube or other social media could be sued .

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blindboy commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 10:16pm

tubeshooter I specifically stated that I would not waste a court's time over that. My point was that in other circumstances those exact words could cause you to end up in court as they clearly fit the legislation. Then there is the gap between what a court would find to be worthy of the weight of the law and what constitutues reasonable conduct. If we conducted ourselves only to the strict letter of the law it would be a pretty miserable existence. Nothing wrong with expecting people to behave in a reasonable manner.

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blindboy commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 10:22pm

sypkan, sorry to say that battle never ends. Comedy? Yeh well at whose expense and who has the right to use what language? All difficult issues but not so much here where people carelessly step over what should be clearly established lines. As for changing their minds, I wouldn't waste my time. My point is to make sure that the many people who read but do not contribute are not exposed to unbalanced bullshit.

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blindboy commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 10:32pm

Sittin' round with my guitar I had this really simple thing in my head. Couldn't remember what it was, So I kept playing around with the chords until I had the basic thing but still couldn't get the lyrics. Probably because I was never much of a Chilli Peppers fan, but yeh eventually it dropped. I always admired them for that song. Simple but to the point.

Fuck you asshole
You homophobic, redneck dick
Big and tough and macho
You can kick my ass

[Outro]
So fucking what?
So fucking what?
So fucking what?
So fucking what?

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factotum commented Saturday, 9 Feb 2019 at 12:17am

The comedy on Swellnet - unintentional
as it is - never stops!!!! The 3 stooges - Moe, Larry, Curly - in full effect!!!!

"I'm not _ _ _ _ _ _, BUT..."

Nyuk, nyuk!!!!

Keep on keeping on!!!!!!!!

(Shemp's having a good look at joining in on the jocularity?!)

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AndyM commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 11:25pm

Syppo's right, the gay scene is the most politically incorrect one around. The language and insults and smut is off the chart.
So who has the right to use what language?
When I call a gay mate a rampaging homodillo or another one a mincing queen, it's ME that has the right to use that language.
If you want to call that language homophobic, well that just shows your real situation - quite removed from reality.
You say that If we conducted ourselves only to the strict letter of the law it would be a pretty miserable existence yet you insist so vehemently that we should tippy toe around and walk on eggshells with no regard to context .
I actually thought my Progressive Bingo joke was pretty funny but you think it shows me as someone who wants to live in the past.
I tell you one thing, you're not even living in the present.
I think you're living a very cloistered life and you desperately want to be righteous and relevant.
With the way you carry on the gay boys would laugh at you as a hick and and a hayseed.
Support is good, but your sanctimony is misplaced.

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tubeshooter commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 11:33pm

speaking of comedy , one from south park , somehow seems relevant ,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clKi92j6eLE

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AndyM commented Saturday, 9 Feb 2019 at 12:14am

Look tubeshooter, I'm not homophobic but that just didn't make sense.

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factotum commented Saturday, 9 Feb 2019 at 12:41am

Time for this again?

http://www.openculture.com/2014/12/john-cleese-on-stupidity-and-a-cornel...

And before y'all start whining, again, remember "If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough."

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Blowin commented Saturday, 9 Feb 2019 at 7:26am

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I focus commented Saturday, 9 Feb 2019 at 8:51am

BB is right I talk like Blowin (probably more so ) but my kids forced me to change they are the future I am the past just like you bunch of old men (if you are over 30 your past it).

ID they genuinely care for others its got fu(k all to do with left right BS.

Blowin you pulled me up for the white male thing you have no argument to stand on.

It has been entertaining.

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sypkan commented Saturday, 9 Feb 2019 at 10:11am

Yes blindboy the battle may never end, but the ones fighting that battle seem to have a faulty gauge.

You and andym both ask, who has the right to use what language?

Well it changes, day to day, person to person, place to place, interaction to interaction. There is no objective standard - despite what we're told - which means one's gauge needs to be particulary atune if they're going to go calling people out.

i focus is right saying it's a generational thing, but that doesn't mean we have to pander to a bunch of fresh graduates, full on ideas, but running on empty on experience. The west's obsession with youth has come at it's detriment. There's a lot ro be said for the respect asian cultures have for their elders and experience, we lost that shit a long time ago.

I'm sorry i focus but this is a huge left/right issue. Just look at the democrats eating themselves alive as they try to calibrate their gauges.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/08/podcasts/the-daily/virginia-blackface...

They are finding you can only go so far with this shit as they struggle to meet the expectations they impose on others.

The world is a messy place, people and their lives are even messier. Expecting everyone to abide by rules drawn up by a bunch of fresh faced idealists is tearing us apart, when, supposedly, it's intended to do the opposite.

We live in a democracy, it's for everyone to decide what is acceptable language, black white, male female, young old, left right.

Letting a bunch of left wing wannabe lesbians dictate the terms ain't going so well.....in case you haven't noticed...

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factotum commented Saturday, 9 Feb 2019 at 10:36am

Forget going full Moey, Curls has gone full Curly!!!!

"Letting a bunch of left wing wannabe lesbians dictate the terms ain't going so well.....in case you haven't noticed..."

Do you mean Tony Abbott's sister say, during the time of the waste-of-money-and-time marriage equality survey? She's a right-wing lesbian, but. Tim Wilson? Well, almost, but he's a bloke, and virulently right wing. Again. Chris Pyne? Let's not go there. Um, it was a majority result in the survey, so either there's a lot of left wing lesbians lurking about in Australia, or...what?

You're a perverted admixture of Lyle Shelton, David Leyonhjelm and Bolt & the good ol' boys n gals with some horrible Seppo influences chucked in??

Really, Curls??

And anyway, that's just talking about the marriage equality survey and subsequent result!

We could go onto 18C (and D...don't forget D) for example?

Remember that? Media had a field day. The media...hmmmm

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sypkan commented Saturday, 9 Feb 2019 at 10:35am

Yep it's a left issue alright..

"...By defining racism so broadly — liberals routinely extend the charge to philosophical matters such as opposition to affirmative action and amnesty — liberalism created a culture that lent itself to over-accusation and political death penalties. Its tendency to put the worst possible interpretation on all things racial also puts Democrats in a corner. They can’t explain away these incidents as bad taste or bad humor; liberalism always looks for deeper and darker reasons than those. That’s why their apologies have to be so freighted with admissions of enormous guilt.

Elizabeth Warren is now feeling the heat from the pyres of that culture too. In the past, she would have called others “cultural appropriators”; now she finds herself entangled in the same label. She has made it easy for her opponents to accuse her of exploiting minorities instead of serving them. No matter how she spins it, she pretended to be a minority in order to get ahead professionally. The commentariat used to pooh-pooh the political damage Trump’s “Pocahontas” gibes might do to her; they don’t scoff at that possibility anymore.

Warren’s credibility as a defender of minorities has taken as bad a hit as Justin Fairfax’s credibility as a defender of women. All of the party’s noise about race and gender looks like overcompensation for misdeeds toward them. Fairfax, Virginia’s lieutenant governor, stands accused of sexual assault back in his days as an aide to the adulterer John Edwards, a biographical detail that gives the charge added color. Again, the culture of heightened sensitivity to such charges that liberalism created has made it difficult for Fairfax and his allies to put out this fire. Having spent much of the summer saying “women should be believed,” Democrats have largely fallen silent about the matter. They don’t want to set off a succession crisis, but at the same time they know that they dare not question his accuser.

Democrats have lived by PC accusations and are now dying by them. And the accusations they face tend to be far more serious than the ones they level at others. The charge against Fairfax is highly specific and constitutes clear-cut sexual assault; it is far more serious in comparison, for example, to the charge Anita Hill alleged against Clarence Thomas (she never accused him of anything approaching assault). Similarly, the blackface incidents of the Democrats make their accusation of “racism” against Trump for not tearing down statutes of Lee and Washington and so on look silly. By steadily inflating charges of “racism” and “sexism” over the years, they dug the pit into which the top three Democrats in Virginia have fallen."

https://spectator.org/liberalisms-pc-petards/

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factotum commented Saturday, 9 Feb 2019 at 10:42am

More Seppo-isms from The Spectator!!!!

The Spectator!!!!

Mate, don't you like Straya, maaate?

(As an aside the Aussie franchise of that goofy rag is helmed by the one and only Rowan Dean!!!! The right-whinging thinkin' man's Joe Hildebrand!!!! Jesus wept...)

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sypkan commented Saturday, 9 Feb 2019 at 11:02am

Nothing to say about the democrat's 'predicament'?

No of course not, just more character assassinations. Attack the source, attack the person. Avoid any real discussion

alinsky 101

again...

Your personality politics is identity politics in its death throes

You ever feel like you're winning at this game factobum?

Winning at anything?

A debate?
Hearts and minds?
Your personal struggle?

I'm not seeing much winning mate, look after yourself