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Shatner'sBassoon started the topic in Friday, 6 Nov 2015 at 7:48pm

AN ALL-ENCOMPASSING KALEIDOSCOPIC JOIN-THE-DOTS/ADULT COLOURING BOOK EXPERIMENTAL PROJECT IN NARCISSISTIC/ONANISTIC BIG PICTURE PARASITIC FORUM BLEEDING.

LIKE POLITICAL LIFE, PARTICIPATION IS WELCOME, ENCOURAGED EVEN, BUT NOT NECESSARY.

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factotum Wednesday, 14 Nov 2018 at 4:43pm

Regarding arborio, are you trying to call me a rice-eater, Blow In (knowing your erm, proclivities)?

Anyway, for the fact-finders amongst us:

"Arborio is the classic risotto rice from the north Italian region of Piedmont. It is probably the best all-rounder for cooking. It is a medium- to long-grain rice that can absorb a lot of cooking liquid yet still retain a good ‘bite’ when fully cooked. This quality and it's creamy consistency is why it is favoured for the classic risotto recipe."

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/8ef5ef2f-447a-4298-b37c-fec2e526eb4d

Can I interest you in a bog-standard fish n chip shop 'dim sim', Blow In? Straight from Pauline's joint?

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velocityjohnno Wednesday, 14 Nov 2018 at 7:37pm

Big implications for this ruling:

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/11/judge-shoots-westpac-liar-loan-...

Batten the hatches all, & I wish you all the best in what will follow.

PS agree on the LNG/CNG, if only we powered the entire vehicle fleet on it, that's 20% or so of our imports nixed. Fewer carbons in the chain too, burns cleaner. Policy like that would be far sighted and in the national interest, so don't be holding your breath.

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Blowin Wednesday, 14 Nov 2018 at 10:34pm

Im way too pissed.

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Blowin Wednesday, 14 Nov 2018 at 10:23pm

I like your posts , Facto.

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factotum Thursday, 15 Nov 2018 at 12:50am

I just got home from one of my little side-gigs. A Champagne tasting this time around! The real stuff.

Remember comrades...

"When you say no to Champagne, you say no to life!"

Burp!

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Westofthelake Thursday, 15 Nov 2018 at 10:22pm

Now if someone would develop nuclear fusion, that'd be great.

Talk about game changer for the future.

Currently being built in southern France with collaboration from 35 nations including China, ITER is set to be the first experimental fusion device to produce net energy, producing 10 times more energy than the power required to run it, according to the project website.

Meanwhile in China

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/10495536

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blindboy Thursday, 15 Nov 2018 at 10:29pm

Not so sure that it is part of the answer WOL. Solar is rapidly becoming getting cheaper and, in conjunction with battery technology, will almost certainly be responsible for 90% of energy supplies within a couple of decades. Fusion is still a long way off, even with the recent developments and requires huge investments. It used to be the future, if you know what I mean.

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Westofthelake Thursday, 15 Nov 2018 at 10:53pm

Good points bb. I just find it interesting that many countries are still willing to pursue it. Probably just the science nerd in me.
I do know what you mean, but it may take many decades to achieve a 90 percent solar powered planet. If ever. Perhaps you mean renewable energy which is as you well know more than just solar and batteries.

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GuySmiley Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 8:39am

This made me feel sick

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Blowin Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 8:51am

Poor natives with no cultural knowledge of plastic, innocents subjected to predatory western ways etc etc

Sort your shit out Indonesia !

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factotum Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 11:54am

Comment duly noted, and added to the (ever burgeoning) dossier.

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factotum Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 12:16pm

Yo Blow In, old chap, old bean, didn't this get discussed and thrashed and ignored (by some) a few years ago?

From that hot-bed of Marxist commie socialism stuff:

https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/Staff-Discussion-Notes/Issues/2016/1...

Oh, and this:

https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2016/06/ostry.htm

Then again, there's this from even longer ago (spurious source, but):

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/imf-admitted-their-economists-were-wr...

Hang on, I forgot...

YOU. DON'T. READ.

OK, "just sit on the sidelines and be snide" it is then...

Carry on.

Up the Khyber.

Your own.

Again.

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Blowin Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 12:20pm

First it was “ bullshitter “ last time around , now it’s “ you don’t read “.

From Guy Smiley :Abbott worked on the theory that if you told a lie often enough it became fact, well at least in his mind.

Stick your false accusations and your empty sloganeering in your arse, wombat.

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Blowin Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 12:25pm

And again, you contribute nothing but someone else’s writing in the form of a link .

Arborio is the Swellnet version of ...Cant bowl , can’t throw.

Only it’s ....can’t think , can’t originate.

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factotum Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 12:27pm

Cap meet balding, prefrontal cortex damaged, forelock-tugging head.

If it fits, wear it.

Dim sim.

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Blowin Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 12:29pm

Do you even know what forelock tugging as an insult as supposed to represent?

Or is it just the latest in the long line of Zeitgeisty , edgey sounding expressions that youve overheard and just HAVE to appropriate, darling ?

Can’t think , can’t originate.

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factotum Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 12:35pm

And we're back to Blow In's classic 'psychological projection 101'.

Again.

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factotum Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 12:39pm

"Can’t think , can’t originate."

Your version of "can't sing . . . can't act . . . can dance a little"?

(Warning: you may have to Google. And READ)

Oh, and I left out a bit. The bit that fits your fore-lock tugged bonce.

Again.

Hah!

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Blowin Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 12:47pm

Classic .

“Psychological projection “was one of your appropriated zeitgeisty , edgey terms last time around. I remember laughing because it’s basically a reframed “ I know you are , but what am I ...”and you thought that it was cutting.

That and “Dunning - Kruger “ and “ wilfully ignorant “ and “ useful idiot “ .

You must have imagined you were so clever when you were typing !

Cute.

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factotum Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 12:51pm

And...you still don't know what any of it all means, do you?

Because...

(drum-roll)

YOU. DON'T. READ.

Cap meet balding, prefrontal cortex damaged, forelock-tugging head.

If it fits, wear it.

AGAIN.

Dim sim.

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Blowin Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 12:55pm

You know what’s funny ?

My “ job “ actually involves reading and reading and reading. Researching for hours. That’s why I am on Swellnet so often as it’s a little brain treat from all the information I am constantly trying to absorb .

So it’s another fail .

What’ll your next ridiculous slogan be ?

Jobs and growth ?

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stunet Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 12:57pm

'Nuff of the ad hominem attacks, Facto. Like Mick de Montaigne sez: 'There is no conversation more boring than the one where everybody agrees.'

But disagree with the issue, not Blowin's hair, or his rice, or his Dunny-Kruger.

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factotum Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 1:01pm

"You know what’s funny ?

My “ job “ ..."

In inverted commas, Blow In!?

Hahahahahahaha. "Researching" for hours!?

Stop it!

Anyway, now for some purposeful funny, instead of unintentional:

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factotum Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 1:05pm

And one for the other unintentionally "funny" Abbott & Costello fans:

http://australianpolitics.com/1992/02/27/keating-blasts-liberal-party-fo...

Hysterical as well as historical, fore-lockers!

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CryptoKnight Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 2:32pm

Haha! In a nutshell!!! The member from bnkref's fucking head will explode!!! Just let it fucking explode, do yaself a fuckin' favour! In a nutshell!!!

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factotum Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 3:00pm

You've used that de Montaigne quote before, hey Stunet?

Here's a real pertinent quote from long ago. Well, 10th October 2018!

"Have you actually read that, or does it just fit your pre-conception of them?

I've brought this up a few times, even pointed people towards their ACTUAL policies, and it doesn't change a thing, you guys just keep regurgitating it."

Familiar, Stunet?

Definitely most pertinent!

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Blowin Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 4:04pm

And then i produced something to back the claims that the Greens are all about open borders.

You should have read the rest of it.

https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/grasping+at+straws

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blindboy Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 4:05pm

Blowin, I thought I would give this one more try. Yes I'm a masochist but nobody's perfect. Picketty demonstrated that capital has outpaced economic growth over at least the last 40-50 years. What this means is that the wealthy have become (much) wealthier by comparison to the rest of the population. This means that they have accumulated a greater share of the nation's wealth. Because much of this wealth has been used to bid up share prices and other non-productive investments, it has acted as a drag on economic growth. As I said before middle and lower income earners usually spend a large fraction of their income immediately on goods and services. This boosts economic growth. The obvious conclusion from the mass of data Picketty presents is that governments can increase economic growth by making sure that, at the very least, wealthy individuals and corporations are properly taxed. They can use this to ease the tax burden on wage earners and others on lower incomes so they have more to spend on goods and services, so boosting economic growth. There are also significant government savings to be made as health and educational achievement increase with income, further boosting economic growth in the longer term. As for your $250,000 a year worker, he is not remotely in the class of wealth involved here, and I have nothing but respect for those who work long hours in difficult conditions. So yeh, in a fair tax system (not coming anytime soon) they could very easily get tax cuts.

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Blowin Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 4:07pm

Here’s the pertinent section of that quote , Arborio:

“just keep regurgitating it.”

Just keep repeating your slogans till you believe them. Same as last time you were around , you just keep repeating your baseless bullshit hoping some will stick.

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blindboy Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 4:21pm

Gentlemen, back to your corners!

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Blowin Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 5:10pm

I’m not saying that Picketty is wrong .

I’m saying that you’re misapplying what he has to say and misreading the state of the economy as a whole.

1/ BB says - Wealthy people bid up share prices and other non productive assets - whilst in reality , The largest shareholders by volume and value in Australia are the workers , both lower and middle class through the investments undertaken with their superannuation funds.

Share prices are not unproductive in that a SP is a component for establishing the worth of a company and this controls its ability to raise funds through capital raises or by attracting venture capitalists or even bank loans. Without capital to provide for expansion, R and D , strategic acquisitions or any other improvements then a company may fail.

Many companies commenced as an IPO and without the attraction of share price appreciation many companies would not get off the ground and the services , products and innovationsthey provide would be never exist.

So shares are not just for the wealthy and they’re not unproductive and they’re not a drag on economic growth , they are a driver of growth.

And also , engaging in the share market is a zero sum game . Money lost from one hand is received by another therefore it is quite a respectable means of REDISTRIBUTING WEALTH that any society would seek. If shares in Telstra go up , many retirees have more money in their pockets due to their super funds appreciating. Every worker has a superfund and share price increases are a means for them to truly grow wealth that exceeds inflation.

2/ Of course corporations and wealthy individuals should be properly taxed. I’ve always agreed with this. In fact I said the very same thing in my last post on this issue.

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factotum Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 5:33pm

Baseless?

Stunet:

"Have you actually read that, or does it just fit your pre-conception of them?

I've brought this up a few times, even pointed people towards their ACTUAL policies, and it doesn't change a thing, you guys just keep regurgitating it."

Blow In (in response):

"No Stu , I haven’t actually read that.

What I have read is this : https://greens.org.au/policies/population"

Apparently...

Blow In's 'analysis':

"A couple of ambiguous statements with no real gravity or intent behind them [according to the experts...well, Blow In]...and always outstripped by repeated caveats regarding our obligations to multiculturalism and migrants."

And then the killer blow:

"I believe..." Yada yada yada.

Ha ha!

YOU believe.

Oh dear...

YOUR beliefs - how shall we put this delicately (for the delicate) - are as thin as your tugged fore-lock. And as transparent.

Why?

Why even your simpatico bedfellow, Indo Dreamin' said this in response:

"The greens like other parties have a controlled immigration policy, but they also have a uncontrolled immigration policy as in regard to refugees ..."

So this is not open borders, but might be, kinda?!

Then Blind Boy:

"The Greens policy on refugees is for Australia to abide by the UN Refugee Convention to which it is a signatory. Offshore detention as currently practised is an underhand way to avoid the responsibilities we signed up for. Taking refugees does not oblige a country to give them citizenship or permanent residency though in Australia's case, when we have done this it has usually worked out well."

And to cap off his #1 bête noire/raison d'être (pardon my French), here's Blow In with his suppository-of-all-wisdom damning and brilliant retort that we were all waiting for with bated breath, and I quote:

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Yep. That was it.

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A Penny or dim sim for the Old guy.

The strawman clutching and grasping at himself.

Oh dear...

This is the way the world ends...not with a bang but a whimper.

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Blowin Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 5:00pm

Arborio Facto , I cant believe you trawled back through 500 pages of thread to find evidence that I don’t read ...

.... and then failed to read your own evidence properly.

I answered Stu with this :

https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/greens-change-their-immigration-policy

Now get the fuck away from me you silly cunt. I had enough of you last time and I’ve had enough of you this time.

Fucking cockroach.

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Blowin Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 5:08pm

Facto is like the drunk fuckwit with the chip on their shoulder at the pub who wants to keep getting in your face to prove he’s smarter / bigger / whatever than you when all you want to do is relax and talk to interesting people.

Take your shit elsewhere, muppet.

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factotum Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 5:36pm

Oh dear, is "fucking cockroach" some kinda ad hominem attack? Like getting hitting round the balding fore-lock with a piece of damp lettuce?

Hahahahahaha! Gold! The more things change...etc

Asked for ACTUAL policy, and you get Macro Business and the Green Left!!

But, but...

"And that’s the reason I never put any substance beyond anecdote , theory and cyber links to my arguments.

That shit is exhausting.

Fuck journalism!"

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factotum Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 5:30pm

YOU. DON'T. READ.

Baseless?

"You do realise you can just google your name 'Blowin', 'Swellnet', and whatever term you like - say, immigration - to find your previous comments?"

This was all the way back from the 10th Oct 2018. Again.

And it's been said beyond that.

Numerous times.

And now again.

Dim sim.

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factotum Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 5:35pm

Oh dear, Blow In.

"Facto is like the drunk fuckwit with the chip on their shoulder at the pub who wants to keep getting in your face to prove he’s smarter / bigger / whatever than you when all you want to do is relax and talk to interesting people."

Psychological projection 101.

Again.

Play red Misty for me.

Again.

Shoulda just stuck with "fucking cockroach", muppet.

Or even your old fave:

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blindboy Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 5:30pm

Blowin, well superannuation is, in a more limited sense, part of the problem. Many of my generation who have been on middle to high incomes all their life have ridiculous amounts in their super accounts which continues to grow, like all capital, faster than the rate of economic growth. There is nothing wrong with super per se but poor policy has turned it into a lucrative form of middle class welfare. The large amounts sitting in super funds then contribute to bidding up non-productive assets. There is no reason for a very ordinary house with a nice view of the beach to be selling for $3-4million, except people have the wealth to buy it and that wealth has come, not directly from work, but from the growth of their capital whether it be in shares, super or some other form.

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Blowin Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 5:45pm

The price of housing is an entirely different issue. It’s taken the concerned effort of several institutions , that have acted in a manner that it would be generous to describe as irresponsibly.

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Blowin Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 5:48pm

If Australian super funds were more focused on external markets then they could have been a very powerful asset for Australia to utilise in bolstering our economy

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Blowin Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 5:51pm

You’re also arguing against your own beliefs now , BB.

A cornerstone of the housing Ponzi scheme was unbridled immigration, which you encouraged.

Unbridled immigration has been deleterious to productivity. Australia’s GDP per capital has fallen in parallel with our rate of population growth.

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blindboy Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 5:58pm

Not really, increases in population lead to increased construction which, as you said before, creates demand for goods and services. This is distinguished from bidding up the prices of existing housing through lax super rules and negative gearing. I support immigration at around the present level, not "unbridled" immigration.

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Blowin Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 6:44pm

BB - As such a champion of the poor and the low income earners , how can you possibly support a program that will reduce their consumer spending as surely as a massive tax increase ?

Only the difference goes into the pockets of Corporations as opposed to the government.

The downwards pressure on wages produced by excess supply of labour and a labour market that will accept lower wages as higher income is no longer their primary goal from employment is the ultimate subsidy for business at the expense of the community.

How can you possibly accommodate this with your ideological stance ?

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blindboy Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 7:21pm

Blowin, apologies for just putting up a link but I think it is a fair analysis ....... a little bit you, a little bit me! (Well the last paragraph anyway)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-24/verrender-immigration-and-the-eco...

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Blowin Friday, 16 Nov 2018 at 9:01pm

A Japanese company’s plan to dredge an unlimited amount of sand in northern Palau for the next 50 years poses serious threats to the environment and peoples’ livelihoods, an NGO says.

The Executive Director of environmental group Ebiil Society, Ann Singeo, said the venture between the Ngarchelong State Government and the Japanese RAM Corporation was agreed to last year before the public was consulted.

The community is now awaiting a decision from the Environmental Quality Protection Board as to whether a permit for the mine will be granted.

Ms Singeo said the venture gave just 35 percent of the profits to the state and nothing directly to the communities affected.

“[RAM Corporation] is not even paying a lease or anything for the area they are going to be mining – it’s free. Even the areas they’re proposing to put plants on offices on on land – free. The water they’re going to be using to rinse the material – free. They’re basically getting this entire reef for free.

“Sixty-five percent [of profit] goes to the company, and 35 percent goes to the state. No royalty will be paid to the local community, no income tax, no lease payment. We get 35 percent – and that’s if they sell the sand.”

Ms Singeo said local people had a special relationship with the ocean, which was home to numerous endangered species including dugongs, turtles and stingrays.

“Palau is known for its underwater. The area they are proposing to mine is the second biggest reef area in Palau, but its also the most pristine one. The southern lagoon, which is the largest reef area in Palau, has had a lot of human activities and tourist impacts.

“But up north, here in our community, it feels so pristine. And the community is still very closely connected to their environment, to their ocean. So they have personal relationships that gives it a feeling of its life and that it’s not just an ocean to be exploited – it’s so much more than that.”

She added: “the area that’s going to be mined … it’s bigger than the core central state of Palau – it’s massive. Not only is it going to have devastating impacts to the ocean, but will completely change the lives of the people who live in this community.”

The former governor of Ngarchelong State, Browny Salvador, is understood to have visited Japan to have signed the joint venture agreement on behalf of the state in August 2017.

Ms Singeo said over the weekend, dozens of Ngarchelong State residents filled the community centre to voice their concerns over the proposal. Many were angered by the lack of communication and consultation on the project.

The community would continue to fight against the proposal, Ms Singeo said.

The new governor, Richard Ngiratrang, has told the community he will revisit the agreement signed between RAM Corporation and the state.

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eat-your-vegies Tuesday, 20 Nov 2018 at 9:36am

Step offs

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“Ocean Views”