Vaccinate or not

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Supafreak started the topic in Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 6:20pm

I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?

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Supafreak Thursday, 8 Apr 2021 at 6:26pm

Why are children less likely than adults to spread covid 19 https://amp.abc.net.au/article/13012550

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 8 Apr 2021 at 7:46pm

"Moderna Launches First COVID-19 Vaccine Trial for Children 6 Month to 12 Years Old"

Hmmm okay...well i do have to say thats very surprising and i do feel uneasy about that especially considering Moderna is a mRNA-based vaccine.

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truebluebasher Thursday, 8 Apr 2021 at 8:00pm

TGA bans AstraZeneca for under 50 & over 65 on case by case basis.
Only Aged 50-65y'o can access AZ vax in Australia.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-08/covid-live-blog-coronavirus-lates...

Right up to an hour ago- Oz Health / Govts convinced us AZ was safe!
They lied to us...every night & everyday...over & over.
Misinformation Overload...that's a lot of fines & court cases.(1,000's)
All Govt / Health websites to be taken down...Shame on all you Liars!
Govts / Health should apologize to all those caring enough to keep tabs on these reactions.

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Supafreak Thursday, 8 Apr 2021 at 8:21pm

Thanks TBB , maybe the government should employ you , fuck I’m 60 this year and this ain’t reassuring news . Wish these pricks would get their “ expert “ shit together .

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truebluebasher Friday, 9 Apr 2021 at 1:57am

Leaders beg vaxerz not to cancel AZ appointments (Canada cancelled 12,000 /wk)
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/vaccination-no-shows-why-are-t...
Pfizer's 2nd dose is next to go as folks cancel notorious 2nd knockout jab.
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1419873/Pfizer-vaccine-secon...
100,000's Pfizer 2nd doses cancelled over differing wait times & lack of supply...
https://www.sacbee.com/news/coronavirus/article249636203.html
EU nations have turned to bumming Eastern Block Countries stash of Chinese / Russian vax!
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1419742/EU-vaccine-news-covid-Italy...
Game has changed as Big Pharma Vax is turning to shit real fast!
Nations are giving up & Vaxers are fed up & walking out.

AstraZeneca is unvaxing the world faster than it can vax it. (No joke!)
AZ CEO gets $27.5m for turning world rollouts to shit! Trust Me!
https://www.afr.com/companies/healthcare-and-fitness/astrazeneca-hands-c...

Nations with AZ Rollouts are going backwards & again.*
Most "rises" in Rollout are mostly with back up 'varied' supply contract.
Hungary is a perfect example of contracting anyone at all & that's paying off!
Rollouts rely on 25% or more AZ dregz (Date is when Nations went backwards).

30 Jan : European Nations ban AZ for over 55 year olds.

7th Feb - Mutants kick AZ outta SA.
18th - Bangladesh (Rollout is almost back to ground Zero)
25th - El Salvador(az 50%)(14th March rising)
27th - Cyprus / Nepal ( Stalled )
28th - *Netherlands (21st March recovery)

5th March - *Sri Lanka
10th - Dominican Rep (30th March recovery)
11- 15th - EU AZ Suspension
13th - Malaysia (20th March Rise > 3rd April down)
14th -*Sweden (26th March peak stall ) / *Serbia & 4th April
15th - Mexico (az-25%) (18th March -3rd April stalled)
16th - Estonia (3rd April recovery ) / Argentina (az 30%) (30th March)
17th - *Czechia / + 30th *Austria / Luxembourg (25th March rise)
18th - AZ All Clear
19th - *Croatia ( 29th March rise)
21st - *UK / Pakistan (Peak Long Stall)
22nd - South Korea (Slow recovery)
23rd - Astra Zeneca Cheat in their own Test.
24th - *Slovakia / *Greece (31st March rise) Rise is for Pfizer & others (az is 3% down)
26th - *Latvia / Taiwan / Hungary (az 30%)(28th March rising) / Indian made az (31st March rising)
27th - *Lithuania (Peak Stalled)
28th - * Brazil (az 40%) (30th March rise)
29th - *Poland / *Philippines / Montenegro (az Covax) (1st April rising)
30th - *Germany (Restrict) / *Denmark / *Romania (Peak Stalled)
31st - *Norway / *Portugal / *Bulgaria / *Iceland

1st April - *Canada / *France / Spain / *Italy / *Swiss / *Slovenia
2nd - *Australia / *Finland / *Ireland / *Belgium
3rd - Albania
6th - Kidz Ban
7th - Under 30 Ban
8th - Under 50 ban

AZ Vax : 8 rolling out / 6 have stalled / 4 in recovery / 32 are going backwards > (31) Often.
If this is an emergency & if this is our best counter attack then our world is doomed...
Pollies reward 60% frontline failure as model for success! (Call them out & be censored!)

April Australia bans AZ vaccine for under 50 y'old < ? > 55 y'old & over ban by Europe in Jan
As reported 10,000s - 100,000s are right now walking out of world vax halls without their lolly pops.
Can we now please remove all the censors defending, covering up & praising this imbecilic hot mess.
Sure! Have yer Rollout but first sack a million liars, idiots & cheats. Look around...people are sick of it!

Remember in the old days when nerds would say Covid will kill you faster than the vax will...(Wrong!)
Scientists prove AZ Vax is of greater harm than Covid to under 30's..(Is this for real tbb?)...'Go ask Supafreak!'
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/why-uk-pulled-astrazeneca-shot-under-...

How much does this Captain's Call cost...
Phase 2b-(16m doses) + Phase 3 -(13.6m doses)
$544,640,000 to switch to Pfizer.
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CSL 50m less 1m rollout so far +2a -(15.8m doses) leaves ( 33.2m doses AZ Vax Waste)
$106,240,000 (Depends if any are stupid enough to buy Oz doses & AZ Plant)
Also depends if AZ force Oz to brew contracted doses as per 'contract'!
tbb earlier alluded to the fact that Oz {Letter of Intent} is first & foremost a partnership.

$650,880,000 (Total) to swap AZ for Phase 2b/3 Pfizer & Plant Runout!
(Loss is at current prices) Likely to double with AZ off the scene!

PS: No! That's not it! There is always more...
Pfizer needs LDS needles + Countless Top Range beer fridges.
Low Dead Space Needles are like Gold Dust...without them 28.5% or 2/7 shots of Vax gets dumped.
Oz is throwing out over 50% of Pfizer doses...Yep! you can read about that!
Meaning, that without Oz manufacturing our own LDS needles...50+% vax waste doubles above figure.
Again! Other Nations are now also onto tbb's trick...just not ours! Boy! Are we gonna Pay for this...$1 billion easy!

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Fliplid Friday, 9 Apr 2021 at 6:49am

This seems to be the angriest you’ve been on SN yet tbb. Don’t blame you.

Out of curiosity I watched the full presser last night and my take on it was that under 50yo there is a 4 in 1million chance of the blood clot. Over 50 okay

The recommendation is if you are under 50 and no major health concerns hold off. If under 50 and crook discuss the benefits of jab or not with your doctor. It is advice not a ban. We have the final say based on this advice and discussion with own doctor.

Under 50 wait for Pfizer. 20 million Pfizer doses are guaranteed (there’s that word again). Also talk of Novavax coming along.

Main thing is oz has no/ or very little community transmission so we can wait not like overseas

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Blowin Friday, 9 Apr 2021 at 7:19am

Until they sort it out we should all be locked down under full curfew like Melbourne under Dan. Cops arresting pregnant women in their homes for Facebook posts. No roaming 5kms from your house during the 1 hour per day you’re not under house arrest.

Please lock us down now!

So lucky Australia isn’t tending towards authoritarianism!

Sure, there’s a law being drafted against “fake news” like the AZ vaccine causing blood clots( as if! ), young girls are strip searched at music festivals , protests are now illegal, whistleblowers are prosecuted by the federal police and Australians aren’t allowed to leave or exit the country* ....but it’s all sunny on the Nth Coast so none of that counts.

*”.....a complaint launched by stranded Aussies to the United Nations Human Rights Committee in Geneva, arguing that the caps imposed by the national cabinet restricting how many people can enter the country breach the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

The group is being advised by international human rights lawyer Geoffrey Robertson, the founder of London’s Doughty Street Chambers.

Article 12 of the covenant, to which Australia is a signatory, states that “everyone shall be free to leave any country, including his own” and that “no one shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to enter his own country”.”

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happyppl Friday, 9 Apr 2021 at 8:13am

these jabs of az and phizer are "supposed" to be kept at certain temperature parameters?
i saw the first delivery on tv from uk(?) at sydney airport off an arab cargo jet, the az type on a warm day and no mention of temperature in transit.
msm are allways showing delivery to clinics of vaxs and medics placeing vials into coolers, again no one mentions who monitors the temp in transit??
i don't put sour milk in my tea and i ain't puttin possible foul vax in my body!!
again our "leaders" have failed us? why has'nt msm + med experts mentioned this?
anyone have info on temp of vaxes and or records or procedures from leaving makers lab?
and WHY has'nt this been mentioned before?

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indo-dreaming Friday, 9 Apr 2021 at 8:16am

God this sucks, now it's going to be heaps longer before we get the jab and can travel overseas without quarantine.

Id much much rather get a choice between the two, the risk of blood clots is super super low, id take AstraZeneca today without any concern.

Any of you people with anti vaxer mentality's should be more worried about long term unknowns of mRNA vaccines that we will now have if you are going to get vaccinated.

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happyppl Friday, 9 Apr 2021 at 8:20am

i am not an anti vaxer, i asked for info.

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indo-dreaming Friday, 9 Apr 2021 at 8:31am

@happyppl

The vaccines are contained in vials that are transported in dry ice or liquid nitrogen.

Obviously they don't spend billions on producing a vaccine that must be kept at a certain temperature to have it be ruined during transport.

Many articles on it, here is a couple

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-covid-cold-chain-how-a-va...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-12-08/covid-19-coronavirus-pfiz...

And details from NSW health website on https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/vaccine/Pages/vaccine-...

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batfink Friday, 9 Apr 2021 at 10:51am

Happy ppl, AZ vaccine is kept at around fridge temperatures, Pfizer and Moderna are kept at super cold, -70 or so.

All vaxes are transported appropriately and have freezer ‘stickers’ that indicate if the temperature ever goes above requirements at any point in the transportation, in which case they are thrown out. Not sour milk.

This nerd still saying that Covid will more likely kill you than any vax. Correct. By a factor of something like 5000 to 10,000, probably a lot more.

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Supafreak Friday, 9 Apr 2021 at 6:42pm

Time and time again scumo has told us Australia has the best medical experts in the world , unfortunately they keep making poor decisions. From not exploring treatments to putting contracts on a couple of vaccines instead of 5 or 6 like other countries. Ruby princess was the beginning of our “experts “ call . Now 12 months later with promise after promise and nothing but praise for how good they are from Scumo and his team of “experts”we can look forward to futher lockdowns and businesses going bust . Sooner or later they are going to have to bite the bullet and listen to frontline ICU doctors who have treated thousands of patients, researchers and their evidence on early treatment and stop bullshitting that no steps were skipped in order for these vaccines to be approved . AGAIN these vaccines were released as a EMERGENCY RESPONSE by UK and the US . If no steps were skipped then why is it now that they have weighed up that the risk and benefit analysis for under 30 years of age has now changed ? Back in August Borody told everyone that this disease was easily treated but the “experts “ knew better with out even having to investigate. People say “ I trust the experts “ , well I trust the frontline ICU doctors , scientists and researchers over big pharma and government officials.

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troppo dichotomy Friday, 9 Apr 2021 at 7:11pm

So it's o.k. to give the Ass-tra -enema to older people(over 50)but the younger stronger(under 50) shouldn't take it?

I am 50!On the fence.So confused?????

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Supafreak Friday, 9 Apr 2021 at 7:32pm

Some countries over 60 some over 65 some have banned AZ altogether, its all up to the risk versus benefits for your age , chances are low that you would have problems but they had to fess up or risk political suicide, these are low , short term risks , anybody know longterm risks ? Of course not lol Government is currently making amends to policy so they inform you of the risks then you sign away and everything is good...........maybe

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Supafreak Friday, 9 Apr 2021 at 8:05pm

Highly likely that Norway will drop AZ https://sciencenorway.no/a/1832874

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truebluebasher Saturday, 10 Apr 2021 at 12:41am

Right Royal Heroic Act ?
9th Jan (1st Dose) Windsor Castle - Queen / Prince Philip
16th Feb - Prince Philip infection & rushed to Hospital
Heart Surgery

16th March - Prince Philip returns home
31st March (2nd Dose) Windsor Castle - Queen ...
Prince Philip's Vax was likely delayed until (12wk deadline)
Thru April - Prince seemingly recovers...as Royals were seen out & about more often.
Was the Prince now well enough for his timely (12 week deadline Vax)
Windsor Castle - (Time for Prince Philip Vax)

2 Things here!
*Big Pharma / UK Health swore over & over that the vax was safe for Heart Patients.
*Important! Queen & Prince saw The Vax as a war effort ~ Royal Duty & would've argued his case.
*No one could have stopped The Prince from his Frontline Duty.
*Prince knew he was sacrificing his big 100 & rode it out to the very day...rolled up his sleeve.

No! He didn't need to do it...but no one could stop him!
Let the crew decide...if the Prince took his deadline Jab for his Country! (Sure looks that way!)

9th April - Prince Philip Dies. {RIP}
Just saying...Royal Watchers will count 12 weeks to the day from the Prince's 1st Vax?
Could well be the loyal subjects salute their Prince's final Heroic Act.
Just as likely, they cover up the Vax deadline...& say nothing about it!

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Supafreak Saturday, 10 Apr 2021 at 5:33am

In Australia its under 50 for the risk benefit analysis but other countries under 60 , our experts are the best in the world just ask scumo. https://www.ft.com/content/3dd76041-d8ac-4465-99a5-4569e8b9706e

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Supafreak Saturday, 10 Apr 2021 at 5:43am
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truebluebasher Saturday, 10 Apr 2021 at 9:20am

Oz health experts are unquestionably the best in the world....but are no match for the new challengers.
AZ Belgium
3rd Feb- (The Superior Health Council) : "Clearly AZ is a very good vax for 18-55 year olds."
Regulators advise against AZ vax to over 55's
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/03/belgian-regulators-advise-...

8th April (Belgium National Health)
"Restricting AZ Vax to only over 55's"
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/08/spain-belgium-and-italy-...

Belgium's harsh antivax stance : "AZ is not for over 55's & now not for Under 55's."... (Safety 1st!)

AZ Italy
30 Jan - Italy (Medicines Agency): "Caution against AZ vax in over 55 years ...recommend alt Vax."
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-01-italy-agency-cautious-astrazeneca...
8 April - Italy (Health Minister): "Restrict AZ vax to only 60 & over." (See above link)

Italy's harsh antivax stance : "AZ is not for over 55's & now not for Under 60's" (Playing it Safe!)

Italy then flogs Oz's boutique AZ & spews it up & is now drunk on Ruski & Chinese home brews.

Come April fool's Day :
Italy mandates Vax for Health Workers aged under 55 but must not be under 60 years old.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-vaccine-idUS...

[ Addendum ]
"Oh yeah! We gotta hand over the Rollout keys to the antivaxxerz...have a nice Pandemic!"
Antivaxxers : "Gonna sue Italian Health Authority over Anti Vax negligence!"

"What in the World!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfDNP9El2qM

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indo-dreaming Saturday, 10 Apr 2021 at 1:05pm

"So it's o.k. to give the Ass-tra -enema to older people(over 50)but the younger stronger(under 50) shouldn't take it?

I am 50!On the fence.So confused?????"

Nothing to be confused about basically the risk varies with age and becomes close to being totally irrelevant when pushes into that 50 to 60 age group.

Its not about being fit or healthy it's about the risk of how the body reacts, which they believe

"AstraZeneca vaccine might trigger a unique immune reaction characterised by low platelet count and clotting."

The risk is super super low for any age group, the reality is it's much more dangerous heading out in your car, especially if you're going for a surf.

Its pretty simple if you are concerned just take Pfizer instead.

Personally i find it disappointing that AstraZeneca is not going ahead its going to slow down the whole room out, but i guess they have to weigh things up especially now with other countries stance and also general public perception on safety, not much use rolling out a vaccine that people are to worried in taking.

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groundswell Saturday, 10 Apr 2021 at 1:55pm

Yeah most people seem to be more scared of the vaccine than covid.

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Supafreak Saturday, 10 Apr 2021 at 3:05pm
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Fliplid Saturday, 10 Apr 2021 at 3:37pm

Spot on Supafreak.

Re the vax. Going on the numbers given the other night then 4 in a million chance of clotting if under 50. Of those 4 there is a 25% chance of mortality.

Easter road toll this year was 20.

By those numbers then Easter will be more fatal in Australia than the astrazeneca vaccine

Long term who knows. Still, to be safe lets ban Easter

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Fliplid Saturday, 10 Apr 2021 at 5:55pm

“There is a much lower risk in taking this vaccine compared to many of the drugs we otherwise use. If we’re going to get out of this pandemic, we have to use vaccines”

https://sciencenorway.no/covid19-vaccines/this-is-why-norway-is-still-sa...

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Supafreak Saturday, 10 Apr 2021 at 6:09pm

Yep totally agree Fliplid , norway has other options for vaccines and they are doing what’s popular with their people, a few countries now have flicked AZ and the US has a stock pile even though it’s not approved yet . Bit like food some have an abundance while others go without.

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Supafreak Sunday, 11 Apr 2021 at 6:02am

Looks like Pfizer might be in a race against Moderna for this market. https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/547391-pfizer-biontech-request-exp...

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Supafreak Sunday, 11 Apr 2021 at 11:23am

What do the “experts “ in Australia who are the best in the world ( just ask scumo ) recommended for those that test positive , is it go home and see how sick you get ? https://trialsitenews.com/texas-physician-researchers-case-series-finds-...

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Supafreak Sunday, 11 Apr 2021 at 1:07pm

Another Dr. testimony at the senate hearing in Texas. https://youtu.be/d8o58HB8uYE

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Blowin Sunday, 11 Apr 2021 at 3:49pm

“ Prince Philip was the first person to die of old age in over a year.”

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truebluebasher Sunday, 11 Apr 2021 at 4:19pm

Oz Aged Care 2nd Wave : Dad's Army needed to fight Covid Age-care Outbreaks
PM: "Phase 1a Frontline U50 aged care workers are too young to sit for their [P] Vax."
"Also! Please no over 65's on account of those AZ Aged Care Vax Massacres are still a bit fresh."

ACA Tracy : "OMGSTRAYA just pass the Bong around!"

PM : "AZ is an Administrative Issue, not a Medical Issue...pause is to update Consent Arrangements!"
"As with other Vax, 'informed consent' to the risks required...( [factcheck] [P] is 'not' like other Vax )
"Dept of Health are discussing Indemnity Protection...GP's should contact their Insurers!"
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-09/nsw-temporarily-suspends-astrazen...

NSW : Suspended Rollout Friday am to "redraft" AZ U50 with informed consent Ok from Friday pm
NSW Premier : " The 'Best Advice' - U50 should feel confident in AZ & assess the risk themselves..."
From Monday U50 could receive AZ after giving informed consent."(Friday pm, was earlier reported?)
"NSW Vax hogz want a 60,000 Vaxdrome...states can sponge up any runoff vax from the dual flush!"

AMA NSW : "Afraid not Siss! We do not administer AZ to U50 unless exceptional circumstances."
"Been trying for ages with Govt to get Indemnity Insurance for Vax."

AMA:"No Means No!" / PM:"You can stick it in a little bit!"/ Gladys:"AZ is good shit, give it to me now!"
Can't see how the punters are so confused with Oz Rollout.

Logistical consensual recalibrators (That's these guys...that still halt the U50 AZ Vax)
Vic / Qld / WA / SA / Tas / ACT / NT

RACGP Prez :"Litigation risks warrants a Pause
AGPA : "We're stopping all U50 AZ for 2 weeks!"
VAHP : "25% of 1a Frontline now have no 1st vax options as Pfizer is reserved for patients?"
"It feels like they have left our members hanging!"

NSW / Qld / NT / ACT - Regional GPs : Can't get or do Pfizer for 100's of Aged Care Homes / Workers.

List of Pacific Vax dumping grounds has been expanded this weekend...nuthin' suss!
Qld suspended Cape York & Torres Strait Rollouts.("Feds haven't prioritised any pfizer backup")
PNG is being flooded with 10,000 doses / wk of Oz made AZ
Timor -Leste, Fiji, Solomon Islands, Vanuatu will have harbours clotted by Oz AZ in coming weeks.
https://www.goondiwindiargus.com.au/story/7203935/year-end-now-target-fo...

Leaders: "If anyone has any concerns with the Fed / State Vax Rollout...just keep hasslin' yer GP's."
GP's : "It's a farce & a nightmare...all of us wanna go to Canberra and knock their heads."
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/09/australian-doctor...

What about Me! Covid -19 is suing the Oz Vax Rollout over incurable contagious Oz health crisis.

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GuySmiley Monday, 12 Apr 2021 at 9:54am

Morrison only had one job and he has again failed.

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sypkan Monday, 12 Apr 2021 at 11:05am

Morrison only had one jab and he has again failed.

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shortenism Monday, 12 Apr 2021 at 4:49pm

Prince Phillip dead at 99 on the 99th day of the year. The great virus to mankind is now gone. The wicked witch of the west in the Wizard of Oz... What took the witch out... Water and what color was the witch... GREEN. And what happened not so long ago, a shit load of ever GREEN stuck in the suez canal. An accident?

Covid and vaccine scam falling apart along with... Well everything at one level.. So when's the BIG Wizard reveal I wonder.. Cant be long now...

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Supafreak Monday, 12 Apr 2021 at 5:24pm

Sure hope they have got this wrong otherwise it’s going to be dam expensive going abroad. https://amp.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/international-travel-for-a...

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nomad1 Monday, 12 Apr 2021 at 5:33pm

Supafreak wrote: Yep totally agree Fliplid , norway has other options for vaccines and they are doing what’s popular with their people, a few countries now have flicked AZ and the US has a stock pile even though it’s not approved yet . Bit like food some have an abundance while others go without.

No, the performance of the Norwegian gov isnt popular in regards to vaccines. Amongst the slowest in Europe and people are getting increasingly agitated.

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Supafreak Monday, 12 Apr 2021 at 5:44pm

That link is hilarious udo

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Supafreak Monday, 12 Apr 2021 at 5:54pm

Udo you may want to fact check the information on the live science post .

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Supafreak Monday, 12 Apr 2021 at 5:56pm

@nomad 1 , are you saying the people are happy to go ahead with AZ ?

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nomad1 Monday, 12 Apr 2021 at 6:29pm

Supafreak wrote: @nomad 1 , are you saying the people are happy to go ahead with AZ ?

Amongst the people ive spoken to most would be ok with it.
I was more making a comment that people are generally not happy with the governments handling of vaccinations. Given how slow they are - they were slow before the AZ issue. A bit like Scomo i think the gov are happy to use the AZ issue as a good way to blame something else for vaccination delay.

Generally there is a fairly high level of trust in government messaging here, and mostly people have been pretty good at following the lockdown rules but i see that fading a bit these days as theyre fatigued and annoyed at the delays
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Supafreak Monday, 12 Apr 2021 at 6:44pm

@nomad 1 , we are talking about Norway yeah ? It was my understanding that they had other vaccines in stock and were not dependent on AZ in order for their rollout to proceed. What’s their population ? 5 million odd ? From other literature I’ve seen they are a pro vax nation with about 95% for normal childhood vaccinations. I don’t doubt people are fed up with slow rollout, it’s turned into a joke in Australia, on the news tonight Queensland managed to get a further 100 done today.

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Supafreak Monday, 12 Apr 2021 at 8:21pm

Make up your own mind , a interesting fact is in the US a new vaccine can only be rolled out as a emergency response if there is no known treatment. Have you ever wondered why there is a war against HCQ and IVM. You can click on top of link for different drug trials all drs who did trials are listed at bottom of link https://ivmmeta.com/ This is from December 2020. https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/letters_to_editor/the-assault-ag...

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truebluebasher Monday, 12 Apr 2021 at 10:35pm

[Factcheck] The faster the World vaccinates the faster Covid spreads.
Slow down the Vax rollout and the Covid goes away each and every time!

World's fastest vax Rollouts per population.

1.Gibraltar- (10 Deaths ) Rollout 10-27th Jan -11,000 vaxed > 3rd Feb 70 deaths
2.Falkland Islands - Vax Rollout > cases rise / peak
3.Israel - Peak vax = Peak Covid cases ( Vax rates plummet > cases plummet)
4.Seychelles - Peak vax = Peak Covid Cases ( Vax rates plummet > cases plummet)
5.UAE - Peak Vax = Peak Covid cases (Vax rate then dictates the falls & rises of covid cases)
6.Cayman Islands - Vax rates climbing > Covid cases rising
7.Isle of Man - Peak vax = Peak covid > Vax plummets cases plummet.
8.Jersey - Cases were falling to 1 death the week before (Vax ) Low cases & deaths continued
9.Bermuda - Peak Vax = Peak Covid cases
10.Chile- Cases were falling > Vax rollout and cases soared to new Peak & rising .
11.Bhutan - No Covid cases > Vax rollout kick starts current outbreak
12.UK - Peak vaccinations = Peak Covid cases ( Vax rates plummet > cases plummet )
13.Guernsey - No Covid cases then > Vax rollout Peak Cases.
14.Bahrain - Vax rollout is ramping Covid Cases to a rising Peak
15.US - Vax Rate rises > Covid cases rising

Continues (with Larger Nations by order) Choose any or all small nations between..
Hungary = Vax Rate rises > Covid cases rise > Peak Deaths
Serbia -Vax Rate soars > Covid cases / deaths soar = Vax backdown > Cases backdown
Qatar -Vax rate rises > Covid cases rising
Uruguay -Vax peaking > Covid cases / deaths peaking
Singapore - Vax Rollout rises > cases rise & as it lowers the cases lower.
Denmark - Vax rises and Covid cases rising
Germany -Vax rate rises > Covid cases Rising
Turkey - Vax rate peaking > Covid cases/ deaths peaking

tbb had earlier raised and exampled many ways how the Vaccination Rollout spreads covid.
Chart shows every single Nation that races out the Vax - spreads covid ...killing more faster.
Go to the chart close yer eyes & pick a nation...all Vaxxerz are biggest superspreaders.
Never has one rapid rollout reduced Covid...only when rollout dies by default does covid rate fall.

tbb reiterates this is everything about makeshift rollout plans and less about efficacy of vaccine.
It's about the World's largest, fastest, weirdest pilgrimage to pandemic hot spots...(Got a better plan?)

Whole world can see the same thing...there is no other read...it is plain as day, yet all remain silent?
tbb exampled tiny Islands to Mass Populations yet as soon as the fridge door opens the covid spreads.

Data argues to further isolate cases to Vax Rollout accessibility...reckon Govt's would sweat.
Overcrowded peak covid Vax Rollout locales are clearly #1 Hot Spots of Covid Pandemic.
Qld Premier / PM instruct folk to enter hottest spots during Lock Down to get vaxxed? (That's Insane!)

Open Data shows 100,000's dying with careless ramping of Vax & Rollouts!
Nations defiantly racing citizens like lemmings into Covid infested Gladiator arenas.

This is the broadest accessible science data on largest continuous spread of Covid during pandemic.
Scientists have even warned of 1st dose 2x infective spread...not one Prof. has challenged this data!
Yet not one nation cares enough to front up to Big Pharma to isolate weaker patients after 1st Dose.
None apply a biological timetable to future proof a rollout...only ever to force economic immunity.
My kingdom for a { POV }.

Aussie vax wasting, backpedalling, no rules, fake Rollout, may have fluked another Bradbury win!

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nomad1 Tuesday, 13 Apr 2021 at 2:59am

We are talking about Norway, yes. Ive lived in Oslo for about 14 years now.
Generally yes, people agree with vaccinations and are keen to get them done.