Vaccinate or not

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Supafreak started the topic in Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 6:20pm

I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?

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Supafreak Saturday, 3 Apr 2021 at 3:29pm

Actually sheepdog l wrote vax passport on 2 occasions. It hasn’t been introduced and there is much debate world wide about it .

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Blowin Saturday, 3 Apr 2021 at 3:34pm

You know what I like about you Sheepy? You’re fierce about your opinions but it’s not a blanket hatred towards anyone who disputes any of it. You can disagree with someone on one topic but agree with them on another. Strength of character.

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Supafreak Saturday, 3 Apr 2021 at 3:43pm

I fully understand why sheepdogs pissed off , as far as vaccination goes l believe its a individual’s choice and I don’t agree with vaccination passports . I don’t begrudge anyone that doesn’t want this vaccine for a variety of reasons. At the moment there is about 72 % of Australians saying they will get it .

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indo-dreaming Saturday, 3 Apr 2021 at 3:54pm

"Your link says no such thing. Go read it again."

Hmm re reading it again, i can see how you view it like that, it isn't as clear as it could be.

Mini headline says "CDC report suggests shots cut transmission, not just illnesses"


"Covid-19 vaccines from Pfizer Inc. and Moderna Inc. effectively prevented coronavirus infections, not just illness, with substantial protection evident two weeks after the first dose, government researchers said.

Two doses of the vaccines provide as much as 90% protection against infection, according to data from U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study published Monday. Earlier clinical trials had established that the shots also prevent illness, hospitalizations, and deaths."

If it prevents infection, then surely you can't spread something that you're not infected with as you're not infectious?

Hmmm honesty dont know.

But there has been a few articles with similar views I think Udo shared one the other day, here is another.

Honestly though, it's so hard to know what to believe from the very start to now, there seems to be so much conflicting information and often from same or similar sources.

Im trying to be positive though.

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Supafreak Saturday, 3 Apr 2021 at 4:07pm

Yes indo , plenty of conflicting information which confuses the fuck out of everyone , many doctors have said sick person infects other people and even the asymptomatic carriers don’t spread it much as first reports were 80% that’s down to 17% here’s another report that still doesn’t give 100% answer , they are still learning and things keep changing .

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truebluebasher Saturday, 3 Apr 2021 at 5:37pm

Recap Oz Vax Historical Day ...
Crew thought it deserved a better presentation.
Good News Story that got away from all....bit of a shame really!
It was actually difficult to round up a package...says a lot about Oz Rollout

5th Feb China claims it's providing PNG vax
15th Outbreak > PNG + Qld beg Oz PM for Assist
16th March PM stepping up! Finest Hour.(Qld > { Priority PNG / TSI } + Quadz Vax request)

17th March PM prioritised 1m of Aussie's AZ Eurotrash Vax to PNG...
Qld + PNG thanked PM for requesting a large pile of so called Brain Clotted Slop .

18th March- Syd Uni Prof Booy & ANU Prof Collignon "Let China donate vax for a Naval Port."
Think these Guys are WHOhan spies.

21st March - TGA Provisional Approval of Oz Made AZ brew
23rd March - 1st OzmadeAid 8480 VaxPac was released & Loaded with Oz Aid Photo Promo...see:
PNG Vax Arrival ...same day (Warning : Hard Yakka Photo)
Tues 30th March PNG PM James Marape is the 1st person to be vaccinated by AZ Oz homebrew.
PNG Gold Medal Olympian leapfrogs tired looking Team Oz to score Oz Olympic Gold Medal Vax.
Commemorative Oz milestone keepsake ~ PNG PM Vax Vidz (Bonus : Fake shot angles!)

All Hail Oz Made Vax!

CDC had a slight plastic surgery disaster makeover & updated their Profile to whatever.
Jeep Vax Leaders are gonna make us pay for their boring as batshit Vax Lay Days...
Observant crew can see Joe's Rollout has hit the Red anti-Vax Wall...(Rep states have lowest uptake!)
Joe's prescription needs to be taken before SS Trump's miracle elixir band wagon hits the trail.

CDC : The boring advice...(Legalities & such!)
* Risk of Covid infection in fully vaxed can't be eliminated whilst continued community transmission.
* Vaccinated people can still get Covid & spread it to others.
* Prevention measures are important, regardless of vaccination, especially during Vax deployment.
* Further investigations are ongoing to access the impact of Covid vax on transmission.
* Prelim' evidence suggests Vaxes may provide protection against Variants, however not & if & then...
* CDC admit to having no idea if immuno weirdos should be vaxed or unvaxed .

Efficacy (Symptomatic) + Anomalies
* People are considered fully vaxed after 2 weeks from last dose of any or all home brews.
* (7 days after 2nd Dose) Denmark aged-64% > UK Frontline-86% > Israel pop-92%
* (14 days after 2nd Dose ) UK aged- 89% > US Frontline-90% > Israel pop-97%

33-40% range in Vax Efficacy by Age +Country + ( > 14 days from jab )
Frontline are (6-7%) less protected by vaccines than the general population..
One must question if Pfizer's best brew was afforded to Israel only for Test bragging rights.

Efficacy (Asymptomatic) or risk reduction
*(7 days after 2nd Dose) US pop 80%
*(14 days after 2nd Dose) UK pop 54% / Israel 94% (4fold lower viral load may reduce transmission)

US Republican States are running 10% behind on 1st/2nd doses + 30-50% vax hesitancy

CDC : { New Guidance } Survey Says: (83% are aware of New Guidance & almost half will obey!)

*Taking steps towards relaxing certain measures for vaxerz may help improve acceptance & uptake.
*Giving Vaxerz a life (Footy) will optimize well-being (Plane seats) may help improve vax acceptance
* Immuno weirdos(Vaxed or Not) are first to be locked out of everything...(re: Leggies for basherz!)
* Phasing out disruptive societal & individual prevention measures for vaxerz
* Maintaining prevention measures after vax may disincentivize vax uptake.
* Promising no Quarantine or Iso & free unmasked travel - houses, shops, improves Vax uptake.
* Benefits of avoiding Quarantine & Iso' outweigh the risk of Covid illness or spreading the virus.

* Emphasis is on 3 day Test ( Due to Vax Variants) > 7 day Quarantine > Post Test days 3-5.
* Variants < > Vax efficacy are mostly prohibiting international Travel

Here's how CDC Airlines rate Covid protection
Non Vaxed interplanetary craft's Virginal Flight hostess who can't spell covid is #1 superspreader.
No Vax (Pre Test) = Min 4.5% > Med 13.6% > Max 35.5%
No Vax (Pre/Post Tests) = Min 19.7% > Med 43.3% > Max *19.7% ( *2x Triple, Double Checked)
No Vax (Pre + [7d Q]) = Min 66.2% > Mid 92.4% > Max 94.7%
No Vax (Pre + [7d Q] + Post Test) = Min 85.8% > Mid 97.1% > Max 98.9%
(see below) Vaxed Flights still need Pre Test & Quarantine to equal current Non vax travel safety.

Cheap Foreign Vax (Only) = Max 60%
Best Vax (Only) = Max 90%
Best Vax (Pre / Post Tests) = Min 92.8% > Mid 94.3% > Max 96.6% ( No Vax [Q] scores better?)
Best Vax (Pre + [7d Q] + Post Test) = Min 98.6% > Mid 99.7% > Max 99.9%
Best vax being weakest on most virulent frequent flying Mutant from Hottest Spot. (100%)

No idea if opening up the Skies will get the Republicans to Vax?

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Supafreak Saturday, 3 Apr 2021 at 6:28pm

@TBB , l watched a news report that 60 % of health care workers didn’t want the vaccine. It also said there was 1 doctor for every 14,000 persons , they are in a world of trouble . They were already dealing with a high volume of people with AIDS.

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san Guine Saturday, 3 Apr 2021 at 7:09pm

I get that your a polemicist Blowin, but your comment,
"Show me that long Covid is devastating humanity worse than anything since the Black Death and I’ll join you in being scared shitless" is deliberately provocative but really a specious argument, because it denies the fundamental interconnectedness of the world we live in and moreover ignores the huge ongoing implied costs to our health care system of long COVID, which remain unknown and currently unquantifiable but significant, n'est pas.

However you later post is more instructive. "I do think that the Covid passport will be a Trojan horse used to bring in mandatory digital ID which will then be used to coerce and control individual behaviour in society".

Is this what you really fear from the pandemic?

And FWIW I'm not scared shitless...

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Supafreak Saturday, 3 Apr 2021 at 7:11pm
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indo-dreaming Saturday, 3 Apr 2021 at 10:09pm

The other threads shut so I'm going to place this here, very interesting video (from 27th March)

Basically even CNN is now giving air time to those that believe the virus came from a lab, and not just anybody but former director of CDC (Centre for disease control and prevention) who was director at the time of the outbreak.

So now we have some pretty big names* supporting the lab theory and as clearly noted in the video at 3:50 this is a man that has access to so much intelligence that we do not and has as much experience in this field than pretty much anyone.

And unlike the WHO or China government, they don't have any reason to lie.

*Remember we also have WHO advisor Jamie Metzl saying the same thing.

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truebluebasher Sunday, 4 Apr 2021 at 2:33pm

swellnet Oz Covid Long Haulerz companion { Happy 1st Birthday }

Long Covid Support Groups

Long Covid Q&A (UK)
0 - 14 days - Infectious Covid
14-28 days - Acute Covid (Shedding)
Emergency Covid Treatment ends here, efforts are geared to moving patient out.
Legality of Govt owning Covid comorbidity from being bumped to eternity?
Prescribing medicine to description of it's properties & conditions attached to it's use.
There are only selective, expensive Covid Trial Drugs. (UK)
Ivermectin Long Haul Treatment examples the use of a safe affordable drug.(Post Covid Legal?)
4-12 weeks - (Ongoing Symptomatic Covid)
12 weeks - 6 months - (Post Covid Syndrome)
6 months - 1 year - (Long Covid / Long Haulerz)
1-5 years - (Long Term) Longitudinal Studies are locked in > UK.

Australia Long Covid Timeline
1st April 2020 - 3 month infection + Stop / Start illness is established

24 June 30% of ICU -ARDS patients take 2 years to recover (SARS / Covid)

20th August - IMN Prof Vicki Kotsirilos "Long Haulers" > GP response

5th Sept - Olympic Long Hauler

14 Sept 2020 Victoria Pathway for "Post Covid"

WHO Prof. Mary-Louise McLaws called on Oz to rehab Long Covid
20-39 y'o represent 40% of Post Covid.

Pathway was created by Western Vic PHN - Dr Kate Graham with NWM PHN Dr Scott Parsons
Based on Post Viral SARS
Pathway refers clinicians treating 18,000 covid survivors with longer health term issues.
NWM PHN - Royal Melbourne, Western Health, Werribee Mercy, Djerriwarrh
Melbourne Prof. Louis Irving- Exactly what we needed to tackle emerging issue.
Royal Melbourne Dr Alastair Miller - Hospitals / GP's collaborate a very interprofessional space
Prof. Steven Tong - Post Covid patients are emerging as an important group.
Hospitals tap into GP cohealth Dr Nicole Allard > increasing need for Post Covid care.

20th Sept (60 minutes)

15th Oct RACGP Pres. - "GP's will be managing Covid Patients for years to come."
GP Post Covid 10-35% + Hospital Post Covid 80%
RACGP [ Caring for Adult Patients with Post- Covid -19 conditions ] 14 pages .
(Back Up Copy)
tbb Salutes Health Pathways partnership in this groundbreaking Document.

16th-28th Nov GP20 Nationalised / Partnered 12 week Covid

22nd Dec ( MJA) Covid Symptoms 4 months on...( St Vincents Study Paper )

19th Jan 2021- RMH Dr Miller - Long Covid >20%
(Pathway) Dr Allard treats 1,600 / 20,000 (2nd wave) + International Students (10% of 100 audit)
Prof Vally : "Long Covid treatment will require tracking people over many years."
Dr Allard : GP's need to follow up milder " Non hospitalised Covid, concerns they'll miss out on care."
(Underlying Consensus being the Young Men do themselves more harm by not reporting their illness).

23rd March - Long Covid in more than Half of Hospital Cases

24th March -Vax to jump Start Long Haulerz

31st March 1 in 3 Oz covid Patients (Includes Youth) battle symptoms 8 months on.
ADAPT study 32% of 81 Covid Patients St Vincents Hospital are still ill after 240 days.
1 in 5 (19%)"Debilitating" Long Covid after 8 mths
Patients show no signs of improvement between 4-8mths .
46% / 4wk + cases have not recovered
Study indicates Long Covid is a potentially significant problem for 1,000's of Australians

31st March -1 in 3 Aussie model Covid Patients suffer symptoms after 8 months (Cont..)
Only 54% said they had recovered...but most will go back to work.
27% poor memory / 33% poor concentration / 18% forget Words / 78% can't exercise as before.

From swellnet crew... get well soon.

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Supafreak Sunday, 4 Apr 2021 at 4:56am

Another huge effort TBB , thanks

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truebluebasher Sunday, 4 Apr 2021 at 3:05pm

Thanks again Supafreak, also for addressing PNG crisis.
Continues from Oz first Vax to PNG. (above)

PNG PM : "The virus has broken loose"
Qld CHO : "It's an enormous concern! It's now gotten into their Communities"
Infections have doubled in 10 days
Recent Hospital Test Results 50% [+] have impossibly soared to 80% [+]
tbb thought to post case numbers...however, they come with a giant sized disclaimer!
Oz Health: 'PNG has record low community Testing so tally (Vastly underestimates) extent of Crisis.'

Severe cases are medivac'd to Qld's 2nd wave of infected Yellow Alert Locked down Hospitals.
Qldurrz again thank NSW & Oz for being good sports at sponging up our Covid overflow.

PNG Vax Rollout
March : Oz request of Oz contracted EU 1million doses to PNG are on kidding!
Quad : Oz / India / Japan / US > 1b doses to Asia /Pacific
1 Oz Aid : 8,480 Doses are being administered to PNG frontline
Supafreak's link is a must...(PNG as Lab Rats or Oz Guinea Pigs for Witch Doctor's Blood Clot Brew)

Oz Vax Rollout now prioritises (1) PNG > (2) Torres Strait Islands > (3) Cape York
It seems obvious that PNG FIFO mines / missions / Pickers crews will seek next Oz Vax Priority.

April: WHO COVAX 300,000 > (China has committed 200,000 + India 70,000)
{ Red Flag } Chinese / WHO Covax gift comes with a Strategic Port Access kicker!
Did WHO block EU to force Oz to brew own...opening door for comrades China to claim PNG Port.
May : Rollout (Tentative)
June : 588,000 (Covax)
Gonna be a wild ride until then...Happy Easter PNG.

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Supafreak Sunday, 4 Apr 2021 at 3:51pm

@indo , I’ve been waiting for this report even if it is CNN , cant discount the people being interviewed they are definitely not minnows . What I don’t understand is the claims that the virus has been around since September October , wouldn’t the world have noticed earlier seeing as how contagious it is ? It will certainly be worth watching the report . The WHO have lost all credibility in my personal opinion in their handling of this from the start and since their ruling on ivermectin, lots of things dont add up .

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 4 Apr 2021 at 6:25pm

Yeah im not a fan of CNN but i shared the CNN video instead of another media outlet because it's one of the worlds biggest left media leaning media outlets, so it's harder for those with left leaning ideals to write it off like they would if it was Sky news or Fox etc and just say its a conspiracy theory.

And two it clearly shows the mainstream narrative is slowly changing, which you would expect when you get such big qualified names supporting the idea it came from a lab.

Anyway, i listened to this today on the same subject, was very interesting, pretty easy listening to begin with but gets quite scientific as they go on.

"Bret Weinstein and Yuri Deigin: Did Covid-19 leak From a Lab‪?"

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Supafreak Monday, 5 Apr 2021 at 10:49am

WHO back peddling ? Timing is everything considering indo d link

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indo-dreaming Monday, 5 Apr 2021 at 5:06pm

Wow didn't see that article.

"World Health Organisation: COVID lab leak theory given new life as WHO dismisses its own report

The WHO has dismissed its own report ruling out the theory that COVID-19 came from a lab, saying it should be looked at more closely."

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Supafreak Monday, 5 Apr 2021 at 7:55pm

It appears that several you tube videos that were banned 11 months ago are now back on , one in particular Tracking down the origin of the Wuhan coronavirus by the Epoch Times is back on . When l first saw this l had bit of a laugh at the way it was presented and thought how could anyone believe this shit . When l looked at who financed the Epoch times and came across Falun Gong and then looked at their relationship with China it made sense , as this was a propaganda video and Falun gong had a axe to grind , which on further investigation revealed the atrocities the CCP had done to the members of Falun gong . This isnt the thread for it but what has really amazes me is this video was banned from you tube and now it’s back just when talk is cranking up again about the origin of the coronavirus.

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truebluebasher Monday, 5 Apr 2021 at 10:56pm

Corona Vaxscots

Mexico - Susana Distancia

Japan - Koronon (Cat)
Corowa - kun - Online Q & A - Vax Mascot
Quaran - Winged Fairy

Brazil - Ze Gotinha (Drip & Drop)

Israel- [f] Android Kid (Pfizer Mascot?)

India - Green Germ Corona

Tamil Corona Cops

South Korea - Orange Mutants

Taiwan - Spokesdog

Philippines - Corona "Lumayo Ka"

Thailand - Covid-Kun

UK Breach Branches out.

Double Decker Rollout

US - Quinn Quarantine Fox
Quarantina (Rainbow Unicorn)
Rollout Disco Dance

Russian - Bear (Sputnik V)

Australia - (Mutant Outpost)

Aussie Lockdown Mascot

Aussie Roll-out Mascot

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sypkan Tuesday, 6 Apr 2021 at 12:14am

"And unlike the WHO or China government, they don't have any reason to lie."

that should read...

'And unlike the WHO, China government, or CNN, they don't have any reason to lie...'

certainly interesting developments, who's chatting now, who's not... what's up, what's down...

it's so bloody obvious and logical to look there, it beggars belief the shutdown of any conversation that has gone on, whether it proves true or not...

I wonder if governments got good intelligence about this all along, from the beginning? ....and that they didn't go there because...

(a) the public weren't ready for it

and / or

(b) it's part of the counter strategy to 'china's four dimensional chess game'?

or (c) the chinese peasant factory billionaires rule the world? (and the media....)

all of the above?

personally, I think the world's / government's (somewhat) overreactions to a 'naturally occuring virus' is the giveaway...

-the 'gain of function' research

-the potential it may be a biological weapon

-the fear of how a 'gain of function' virus might react with natural mutation processes (think the various strains and associated fears...)

-the (limited) good information we got right from the beginning ie. contagiousness, tranmissability - how it reacts to and loves smoothe urban sufaces (handrails, steel, concrete etc. ...and the 'deep cleaning' of surfaces... ) it's stickyness...

-how a respiritory disease attacks other organs in the body

-the 'never seen before' speed of blood clotting

-how a (disappearing) indian research paper suggested it appeared to be a corona virus with uncharacteristic aids like ailments spliced in

all this stuff spells 'gain of function' research to me, some may prove not to be, all maybe... but geez there's some suss-ness going on...

...and the proximity of the outbreak?

...the already identified security concerns?

the market... the lab... disappearing doctors...

not worth investigating?

c'mon man!!!

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sypkan Tuesday, 6 Apr 2021 at 12:17am

"...What I don’t understand is the claims that the virus has been around since September October , wouldn’t the world have noticed earlier seeing as how contagious it is ? "

yes and no...

it probably was around, just not identified

september october is when wuhan staff were said to get sick from memory

the virus has been traced back to being around pre december in italy, and other places too, which has given the ccp a propaganda tool, and allowed them to suggest it's a US biological weapon from the military games. ...which also wouldn't surprise me... but on the mounting evidence... ...yeh nah...

there's much talk of it going through bali novemberish... which wouldn't surprise me either... especially considering the recent proliferation of chinese tourists through there (i literally couldn't believe the amount of tour buses with chinese writing on them at ulu's temple on a visit there in december)

the virus takes a while to take hold, and a while before we know we're dealing with something different

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truebluebasher Tuesday, 6 Apr 2021 at 3:45pm

Only 3x BSL4 zoo labs > strictly 1 per land Mass ( OZ / US / China ) in event of Outbreak as Covid!
All are subservient to Military & covertly partner military GOF experiments via the Bat Lady).
EU (Fund) > China (Students) > OZ (Studies) > US (Lab Rats) + fund > China (GOF + manufacture)
GOF needs to resource Mainland China's Old World Animal Ark. (OZ / US animals lack human-spike)
You need that Counterclockwise GOF order to end in China to produce our GOF Covid like Outbreak.
eg: OZ can brew Covid in a dish > US gives Covid to a Mouse > Only China can give Covid to Humans.

WHO run GOF thru WIV / Daszak (vs) Richard H. Ebright (tried hard to stop them & save the World )

Military Bio Weapon
22 Dec Craig's Covid Forecaster details Military Covid Coups + pre fishy links

US Bio facility was shut down > Oz runs Pandemic Checks
US runs Pandemic Forum as Wuhan Games kick off!
Stadium & venue perimeter of locals were forcibly evacuated & killed off ...(No one acts surprised)
Oct 2019- 10,000 athletes / 140 countries-welcomed by Masked Wuhan PPE crew with Heat Guns.
Many 100's contract a "2 week mystery energy zapping virus" & Games run out of medicine.
US (vs) China accuse each other of Cheating & Strip Medals...later accuse Athletes of spreading Covid.
China highlighted the fact that US Top Brass stayed outside games village near the Wet Markets!
Athletes exit Airport ...Many returning home spreading what doctor's diagnosed as Covid.
Others working at or near those Airports & family pick up the same 2 week virus.
Athletes & Top Brass now refuse to mention Games & online interviews back this up."Wot Games!"
Reminding this was by far the largest Sporting Spectacle in recent & future time.

Yes! Wherever wastewater readings apply! ( Oddly UK / Oz don't attend games & US are restricted!) .
Team USA fly home & Their military base Cities become the First US hot Spots to spread Covid.

Post Games Wuhan (Mop Up!)...(etc)
17th Nov - 1st Public case Hubei Man 55y'o (Chinese Public begin searching for Corona on web)
By end of Nov all (5 Eyes / NATO) know & report of Covid Outbreak (Israel/CSIRO confirm this)

Pause: Most / All World Govts know of Coronavirus by end of Nov.

This Nov' Timeline is confirmed by Oz Science.
1st March Oz Prof's State virus started before Wet Market.
17 April Oz Prof ( Vaxine maker) "Covid -19 is made in the lab"

Cover Up!
19 April - Oz PM / WHO GOF traddies cement over Lab hatch & blame it all on the Animals
Scomo's Wet Market Origin > 10th Dec is reported locally as [Case # 29] - 57yo Shrimp Lady.
It's even debatable that Market was first cluster, as doctors were reporting 5 local cases/day prior.
Note: Wuhan Wet Market don't sell Bats & think Scomo is gross for bullshitting to everyone.

The one most vital constant is that World leaders shared news of outbreak to Allies by end of Nov.
Meaning by the end of Oct / mid Nov the virus was perceived as Global Threat by Govt Science!
Whatever happened intentionally or accidentally around the time fears were realized.

Screams to fact that Military Games Welcome of PPE / Masks / Heat Guns was not a Fun Run.
Wuhan made no effort to hide that fact in front of World Military. "It Looks like a Pandemic"...durr!

PM / Oz media have told nothin' but lies ever since Day 1.
tbb knows least about this...but, ain't stupid enough to buy wotz on offer...nor are the crew!

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 6 Apr 2021 at 6:38pm

I guess countries needed to corporate with China to begin with to get as much information as possible on what their scientist knew about the virus.

They probably would have not helped world scientist if everyone had pissed them off back then talking about lab leaks.

Another good read:

"German scientist says 99.9% chance coronavirus leaked from Wuhan lab
Year-long study of pandemic's origin concludes it started with 'laboratory accident' in Wuhan"

But okay yeah the news source Taiwanese not exactly BFF with China.

It was reported in other news outlets but this one by far has the most info, the others are mostly trying to dismiss the paper.

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 6 Apr 2021 at 7:38pm

Thats pretty much to be expected, same deal with flue jabs and many other vaccinations..

My father inlay had the Sinovac the other week, just said he felt a bit tired latter but otherwise fine.

BTW. I was listening to a podcast the other day with virologist and they where talking about the long term possible risk of covid vaccines and they were saying of all the main covid vaccines they viewed Astrazeneca in the most positive light as not an mRNA vaccines that are still newish.

Personally not that concerned but it was still good to hear that they would prefer to have Astrazeneca if looking at things from that angle.

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Solitude Tuesday, 6 Apr 2021 at 8:45pm

Significantly higher percentage of side effects with Astra and Pfizer vax’s than seasonal flu vaccine.

Haven’t read anything that explains why so far

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truebluebasher Thursday, 8 Apr 2021 at 12:08pm

Adverse Reactions by populace
Testosterone is an immune suppressant (vs) Estrogen is an immune stimulant (Vax Reaction)
Immuno compromised is unknown & slot at extreme ends of reaction scale ( Still Dead / Come Alive / Just died? )
(Less > More) Senior Men > Senior Women > Adult Men > Covid /SARS > Fertile Women > Children > Birth
Reactions ratio down by 'weight-dose' towards infants 12y'o-Adults 100mg > 5-12y'o 50mg > 6mths - 5y'o 25mg
Men are larger but young women take same 100mg dose size...thus more reactions in this group.
Women's 75mg dose seems obvious but which Dead Man is gonna advocate less drugz for the Chix?

We can easily FF vaccine rollout by minimising Staff, cost, side-FX + maximising Senior immunity.
Like this....
Our bodies produce strongest immune reaction from Morning then wear down as day grows long.
(Note the most effective vax time may not be the safest time to vax) see below!
The above 'immunity' order reads in the correct Vax Priority booking order for each day > Seniors > Women > Youth.
No extra cost Rollout minimises reactions thus saving on time & Peak Covid Frontline resources.
We can adopt this optimum Rollout at anytime with no extra effort.
*Seniors are up at Sparrows Fart > Dads Smoko > Mum's Taxi'n'Tea > Teens Blue Light Vax Disco.
Never been a more natural fit. (Vax 4 Jam)
*Under review ( Further Studies on Seniors were called for & resulted in Sub Groups)

"Circadian Rhythms" ...Oh! C'mon, is tbb serious! Yep! ...Who's buying this shit!
Sunrise & Sunset for a much safer Senior's Rollout...

Single Nucleotide Polymorphism Chromosomes 60% (A) > 40% (G)
But tbb > Vax isn't DNA ...Nope! But DNA reaction is proving central to Vax deaths.

48% (AG) - Bio clocks Run 30 mins early (Die around 11am)

36% (AA) - Bio Clocks Run 1 hour early & will wake earlier each morning thru life (Die 3 am > Noon)
This group needs to recalibrate to a slower world of boring Clocks & Calendars ...Due to Higher 1 protein

16% (GG) - On time Clocks will likely die at 6 pm (Typically in time on time for nightly news shock!)

So a "Psychological shock" (Vax) escalates levels, but Circadium Rhythm > times the Cardiac death.
The Vax reaction deaths should still be dictated by DNA Circadium Rhythm Timetable.
Same time Vax > Deadly reaction Timetable in a Nursing Home should play out like this...
Report today's deaths from Vax : AA (Early) > AG ( Morning tea) > GG ( Evening News)
Age Care Vax deaths are governed by DNA composition at Rollout time.
There needs to be 3 Age Care Rollout times to offset the peak DNA rhythm reactions
Rollout : Senior GG am > AA mid / pm > AG evening...(Costs nothing to stop the deaths)
Yes! If you know yer Parents / Grandparents DNA you can Vax them at a safer hour. (True!)
As we age Calendars mean less & Body clock is everything so AA drifts away from GG
AG's clock crew tend to gravitate to AA''s just how it is!

31st March 2021 AusVaxSafety

Pfizer Dose 1
36.3% Adverse Reaction = (23,461) > .6 Doctor / Hospital > 4.3% time off
29.7% Site Pain 18.5% Fatigue 13.9% Headache 10.4% Aches 5.2% swelling 4.3% Joints 3.2% chills

Pfizer Dose 2
60.7% Adverse Reaction = (9,618) > 2.3% Doctor / Hospital > 22.4% time off
48.4% Fatigue 45.4 Site Pain 39.1% Aches 38.1% Headaches 26.2% chills 22.5% Joints 19.4% Fever


AstraZeneca Dose 1
67.3% Adverse Reaction = (21,378) > 1.8% Doctor / Hospital > 25.4% time off
53.8% Fatigue 47.4% Headache 45% Aches 44.9% Site Pain 34.9 Chills 29.5% Fever 27.8% Joints

AstraZeneca Dose 2
( UK) Adverse Reaction = ( Less frequent & milder than 1st Dose )


2019 Flu Vax
5.9% Adverse Reaction > .5% Doctor / Hospital

2020 Flu Vax
5.5% Adverse Reaction > .3% Doctor / Hospital

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Sheepdog Tuesday, 6 Apr 2021 at 9:47pm

I've had probably 15ish flu needles in my life. Had a mild reaction twice. both involved a itchy soreness around the needle spot
. So 50% reactions with covid seems way more than the flu needle

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bonza Tuesday, 6 Apr 2021 at 10:49pm

The article you linked sheepdog addresses directly your concerns you raised in both your posts.

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Sheepdog Tuesday, 6 Apr 2021 at 11:21pm

Concerns in both my posts? My first post I simply said "hhhmm". In what way does the article address my "hhmmm" bonza?
And there's no way known 1 in 4 flu needle recipients have had to take time off work because of the flu jab.
"Australians vaccinated with the AstraZeneca vaccine have a 50 per cent chance of developing mild side effects, and one in four will need to take time off work, study, or their daily responsibilities after getting their first dose."
That's alarmingly high.
These rushed vaccines aren't vaccines for people. Theyre vaccines for the economy

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truebluebasher Thursday, 8 Apr 2021 at 11:07am

Vax Rollout comes under fire
Constant Rollout Priority & Start Date changes.
Fake Vax Deals that were merely letters of Intent with little Vax to show for it
Provisional Vax 50% beneath world vaccine standards with no Batch ID Card or Compo.
Over 50% Vax waste + shipments & loads of wrong vax to wrong address tossed & lost.
PM / Health Minister's shoddy grubby jabs to OD running at Slomo Smoko speed + 100 other things.

Plenty are crying over Hospital / Age Care / GP's / Chemists rollout yet all have Vax protocol...
Ramping the Rollout is the next Oz disaster waiting to happen...might pay to look ahead...

Oz Rollerball (Subs Bench)

(Part 1) Indoor Arenas / Halls / Schools / Libraries

Cost- $125m fitting out 6 sports arenas & no one came? (That was Berlin!) Oz Twin?
Hall Rollout -(Avg 2,000 (40 booths) > 4,000 / day (80 booths)
Safety : (sd) Vax Centre Covid outbreaks have led to 12 deaths in just one NY hall

Availability : n/a During Flu Season Vax centres. (2 weeks apart)
Edge of Town Hall : Offers long Queues > (Closes in Wet / Hot Weather)
Central Town Hall : All weather Sheltered Footpaths for Longer queues
Longer queues Block Town Footpaths spilling > stalling Traffic (Security - Reschedule)
Many Oz Test Centres have already Cut 8hr Queues for Traffic Safety > Return Next day
School Halls have phobia with just one Leftover Needle the whole national scheme fails!
Classroom Shots are accountable & long been accepted.
Libraries & SLSC's are often used for joint Govt / Council ops & could be Vax candy for active crews.

Vax Tech :
Schools / Libraries have great tech for rollout uploads.
Town Hall : Old Cables > Slow recording speed > Queues grow > 50% Bookings (Reschedule)
Civic Centre : Too Large it Slows Wi-Fi > Queues Grow > 50% Bookings (Reschedule)
Large accessible 'Secure' Isolated space for Refrigerated Vax.(Surf Clubs are Upstairs - tricky)
Hazmat collection exit or Disrupt Queue to Halt proceedings to Remove hazardous dangerous waste.
Schools have many exits / Halls have a stage exit / Library + SLSC's usually one entry / exit security.
Good lighting fit outs over each booth is ultra expensive.

Oz made Portable Vax Booth a good indication of sizing, time, logistics + cost $3,200

Pre Registration : Saves 50% time & heaps of valuable Hall space
Online Registration www : Usually a Scan'n'Spam contractor that fucks up Wrong Hall / Date...D'oh!
Hall has one Map / Phone ID but now Yuppies gotta decode 100 wrong www Phone No's / addresses.
Quite a few examples of Address Mix ups that ruin the day & leave all high'n'dry...Yep, shit happens!
It's already happened often with vax deliveries, now layer that with timetables & logistics...Oh! No!
Phone Registration : Vax Staff have no manpower to answer back to Seniors booking on phones.

Travel access / Free Coupons : Some Cities offer Free Bus & ride share (eg: Online/Phone ID code)
Others offer Free Friday as an alternate service gesture + Mobile / Drive thrus that tbb will get to...

Time Constraints
Add an extra Phase instantly ramps a Turnout 2x > 3x. ( Bad Weather forecast or Vax oversupply)
Australian regional towns allow open vax...but Cities stick to one maybe two but more is a headache.
eg: Australia- Different Vax & Needles for different Phases = 2 separate supplies / Staff in one Hall?
There is no way you wanna chance 2 different vaxes the bush that's fine...not a Hall of 1,000's
Mon- Fri > Lowest Bookings + Standard Staff Wages (Aussie norm as we have now!)
Holidays / Weekends can ramp to 5x Bookings (24hrs) needing 2/3x #1 Med Staff wages.(Scomo No!)
Need Volunteers - No vax is promised but often given (eg : Teacher : After 2nd vax > See Ya!) Next?

Onsite Registration - (Mostly Seniors - non tech or non compliance / Students + mixed records!)
Arrive Early - To queue for a Token (Wait on site Until 3:00pm Lull...)
Halls need a large space to hold all day seniors-separate from 30 min vax monitoring.
This won't be a GP-TV with year old Mags...this be a day's wait on a shit hard seat in a noisy hall
Sign in late 3:00pm for another wait after Tradies > up until 9:00pm...well after Gran's Bus!
Pretty much mirrors the half a dozen VIP app GP overrules of Gran's appointment.

Street Cred
VIP Queue Jumpers- Try their Luck & turns Violent (Any Incident flags a standard 1hr Lockdown)
Govts push Nurses to stand their ground but Doctors say pre/self assessment is fine enough.
Health do not wish to be security Guards...not with rows of people & needles about.
US doctors got roared at, but said, don't care if the odd VIP slips thru...we don't want trouble!

Post Vax
Only Australian [P] Vax Card has no Batch Number because no Compo is offered
Waiting Area is for 30mins... in a hall this is a lot of Seating & security as vaxer want's to leave.
Security on footpath, on frontline, watching over the Vax & detaining the Vaxerz...(Big operation)
Stop & think, there's already enough deadly weapons for each many spells trouble.
Many vials & up to 500 Vax doses are being stolen & resold $500-$1,500 a dose on world market
Nurses & Doctors are under pressure to secure it for their families or Bullied by Outsiders!
More often the Police are needed to guard the vax.

Vax Celebrations (Warning! Don't Click...really! won't win this Hallmark minute back)

*Vax Milestones
(tbb swears exclusive nerdy swellnet Vax Celebration List is as rock solid as an Oz Rollout)

Personal 1st > 2nd ( Vax Card or onsite Picture Frame Selfie )
50th - 100th ( Oddly no one gives a shit about 50th-100th Vax )
100th ( Free Vax Birthday Cake is fast becoming a Bucket List "Pandemic" Tick! )
200th (This is a one off special Twin Vax Celebration)
500th ( Age Care Community Celebrations )
1,000th (Family Practice Celebration)
10,000th (Hospital Celebration)
50,000th (Health Networks Celebration)
100,000th (Councils / Counties & Med Suppliers Celebration)
500,000th (Stadium Car Park Drive Thru Celebration)
1 millionth (Health Ministers Celebration)
10 millionth (Is Not the time to Celebrate)
100 millionth (CDC + Presidential Celebration)
200 million ( Locked in > Celebration)

Free transit / Tea / Bottled Water / 100th Birthday Cakes / Krispy Kreme Donuts / Biscuits

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bonza Wednesday, 7 Apr 2021 at 7:20am

there was a headline and a number of issues raised in the article that skeptics would jump on and run with but in the very same article it addresses those concerns with valid responses.

for example in response to your comment above the very same article quotes Dr Wood.... "said the types of adverse events and the rate that they are being reported were in line with findings of the vaccine clinical trials:..."

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 7 Apr 2021 at 8:28am

"and one in four will need to take time off work"

Let's be honest and real here, i wouldn't take much from this stat, imagine how many people would just be taking a sickie the day or day after the jab just because it's a great excuse to do so.

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truebluebasher Thursday, 8 Apr 2021 at 9:51am

Oz Rollerball (Super Sub)
(Part 2) Stadium / Drive In Car Parks

Team USA (Apple Pie) > Cars / Car Parks / Freeways / Stadiums
Preference - Side by side 2/3 drive (Contamination fear) (vs) 1/3 Walk Up.
Cost - (Set Up is Low cost but mistakes can prove costly)
Rollout - 1,000 (20 staff) > 5,000 > 20.000 / day (Half Million tally at one Stadium Car park)
Time - One Lane can run about 90 cars/hr
Driver delay - (10 min > (Mon-Thu 30 mins)> Avg 45 min > 80 min)

Vax Supplies (100's have been wasted / day)
Rain / Snow + Holiday traffic can delay Major Vax Supplies & Workers.
Over Supply is just as common in large doses so 2nd Phase is requested to buffer.

Location causes Traffic delays
Online registration saves 50% of time & Queues
Stadium vaccination hold up...can block nearby CBD / Freeway for 5hrs
Too near a Freeway attracts non booked interstate drivers that push their luck.

Wide open Danger...presents more Lockdowns
Large sites are more open to Anti Vax Protests or Cars as weapons.
Workers become traffic Cops as Babies & Dogs are on Vaxer's Laps
Opening Pick-Up car doors & balancing to get up to Vax height.
Note: Each vax is given in different Light, Height & Angle + a lot of Trust.
Vax reaction may see a patient fall from height onto roadside.
All day Exhaust Fumes for workers...still gets into one's body.

Unlike Covid Testing the vehicles require 100 Car Parks for 30mins.

Australia has few Stadium Carparks...most are serviced by Train / tram / bus
Unis / Shopping Centres would need to close to operate a Vax Venue
Turf Clubs have dislocated [P] & could run weekdays / Uni on w/e.

Australian version won't be pretty but Drive Thru Tests were Popular.
First Tests were Long set Up & Pack Up affording little more than 4hrs > 7hrs Test Time
Later Drive Thru Tests > 7 days from 8am > 10pm ( No booking / All age / Wheelchairs)
Govts are flexible with the Drive Thru option to get Rollout up to speed.

Perth Crown Casino ran Free Drive Thru "Flu Jabs" for Seniors (No pre Rego.)
Health Facilities have Converted small [P] to walk up Vax Hubs

Crew can see that Govt will likely tweak this popular Test arrangement for Vax.
Aussies put up with daily random Gridlock & will simply beep & swear at the Vax Jam to fuck off.
Once they're worn down they'll join the back of the Queue...4 hrs later... Never Again you #@*%

PS: 7th > 8th April Update
NSW are threatening a Mass Vaccuation, but only after they can nudge 300,000 hits-deal.
NSW Mass Vax Sydney Olympic Park
Opening by May" General Public (see below) " (No Phases?) 30,000 / 6 days a week
400m from Station / 2 Floors x 2,600m2 + 136 [P]
Centre will I.D. & invite vulnerable, non regular GP & integrated Outpatients.
Centre will have it's own Booking & will not accept Walk-ins > (The General Public...Huh?)

Do Govt Dept's work Saturdays...reckon this smells like a Public 'Clients' > Data Scam sell off.
tbb : "Sure sounds like > No Mass Jab > No Universal Health Care > No Medicare Card
[L] "Why did you fail to get vaxxed at ....let's see... yer last 365 appointments?"
Pensioner "...err..coz ya had no vax & ya kept saying...zipline back after tomorrow's 1 in 100 flood...promise?"
[L] "We're so sick of hearing that lame excuse...we're cutting up yer Health Care card..."
[L] "Can buy yer drugz thru this slightly dented My[L]Gov app, crashing in 5,4,3,2, does that."

Prof. Brendan Murphy : " Mass Vax Hubs are not an option while international supply is hampered"
NSW Hazzard : "We expect the GP's to get the 1st stock options & Mass Vax Hub gets whatever dregz ya got?"

Mass Vax Hub ~ Rules 1-100 : 'Get the Gear that stupid!'
Anti vaxxerz cave : 'Wotz with the boxes of needles Chosen one!'..."No Rollout = No Us! Now start jabbing!"
Clive : "I'm gonna sue the [L]Rollout & then I'm gonna sue that 2021 [L]Census Debacle & then...!"

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Supafreak Wednesday, 7 Apr 2021 at 6:10pm

Just curious as to what 6 year old would volunteer for this , and in the US moderna trials they are 6 months. Volunteers ?

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truebluebasher Wednesday, 7 Apr 2021 at 11:43pm

Oz Rollerball (Supplementary)
(Part 3) Year of the Roller Disco (VaxMobiles)

Political frontline Symbols to bait Vaxerz

Faith based Vax backlash = Salisbury Vax Cathedral / Christ Vax Redeemer
Seniors get a free Vax Ride & a cup of tea. (All Variations on a theme)

UK- London Cabs > NHS Jewish Doctor's 'Vaxi Taxis' troll un-vaccinated enclaves
Double Decker Vax Buses billboard lowest vaxed (Less than 50%) Pakistani Brit Frontline Heroes.

New Jersey Vax Buses camp beneath Black Public Housing Tower Blocks to bait 48% unvaxed
Basically rebadged non compliant (No SD/ Wait area) Flu Vax Buses
Connecticut, California, New Mexico, South Carolina, Virginia & Tennessee

All unsubtle Pandemic politics...not designed to work, they're all just Vax Promos.

Mobile Vax Unit : "Like building a Plane whilst learning to Fly."

Most Mobile Units offer 2 suites but only ever deliver one usable booth .
The Bus height & door opening is a Suite, so it only affords one way wheelchair entry > Exit.
Naturally this requires access thru 2nd suite. Fine for old Mobile Flu vax Units but not Covid (sd)
A makeshift outside vax table defaults as 2nd suite (No Shade/ Shelter) Rain / Sun / Snow shutdown.
Massive Double Decker Bus or Truck, most still offer no more than one outdoor seat per small Queue.
Unless the Bus can pull up to a Power Supply it must run the engine to operate. (Not Healthy)
As said, these Vax Units resemble Vic Police's Mothballed Thunderbird 2 Drug Test Units (All Show!)

UK Vaxi Taxi only just begun Jabs on the Run ( No post Vax observation is demonstrated)

Traffic Act : It's possible that being vaxed in Traffic exempts regulated Vax Observation? (Dodgy)

Germany : Think this Vax Bus Driver has breached the Footpath a little!
Mercedes Benz Vax Lab (swellnet exclusive unveiling today)
"Actros" (Twin Vax) Fuel - BioNTech 162b2 (Top Speed > 130 vpd)...think tbb is joking? Check it out!

Some of these Thunderbird Rigs blow yer mind at how stupid & inaccessible they are.

[News] FEMA Mobile Vaccination Units...these are catching on
Trailer rolls out in 4hrs like a Carnie's Military Grade Fairground Ride
250-400 / day - 1 dose (J & J) Fully Vaxed ( No pre book - All ages / All Phases)
(1 unit State)- Day 1 Town > Day 2 (4hrs set up) > Day 3 Town > Day 4 (4hrs set up) > Day 5 etc
The Tents allow home soil trust & wheelie/ Pram access as to stairway into stranger danger bus!

There are some other private Vax camp Buses promising 400-500/day but designs look inaccessible.
Interesting that these Carnie Tents are the workable option for Town to Town Rollout.
Some are just lazy buses stacked with 20 tents...Whatever! If it works...
Star Trek Lab design is out ...Vax Glamping is in!

Yep! Reckon whole crew knows 100 Aussies that could rig up this Mobile Glamp Vax Rollout.
Scomo just puts on the Beers...Fair Point! Someone other than Smoko fetches the Beers... All Sorted!
Throw in a Driver Reviver pit Stop so the Chix get a free Tea & biscuit...where all vaxed or Pissed.

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truebluebasher Wednesday, 7 Apr 2021 at 11:17pm

Supafreak says what Parents would enrol kid for deadly drug Trials.
Most see Kidz Vax as evil, so Drug Experiment turns their Nerdy Kidz into pseudo Drug Lords.

Drugged out Kidz invite all the unvaxxed cool bullies to spit on them at their Covid immune party
Mum & Dad upload the freak show selfies gaining street cred...One of Us! One of Us! One of Us!

Think about it! No way in the world would cool kids come to a nerd's Party if he wasn't vaxxed? True!
Parents just wanna turn their Frog into a Horny Toad...Classic Disney Script

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 8 Apr 2021 at 8:21am

Why would people allow kids to be part of a vaccine trial?

Well firstly the parents that have kids in the trial would be educated on the risk, and know that the risk of any negative affect to their kid would be very low.

Two they would be people that care or are passionate about helping other people and children and understand that for the betterment of the future of others that some small degree of risk needs to be taken.

Life is all about risk, but it's evaluating what the risk is and what the benefit is, we do this everyday from driving a car to going surfing.

But yeah i get the argument and its a very valid one that the child doesn't have a choice in the matter, so yeah its a hard one from that perspective..

Imagine if nobody took any risk and we didn't have vaccines or medicine.

And we still had Polio, nothing to avoid Tetanus, Hep-A, Hep-B, Rubella and a whole range of other diseases/virus that were once quite common and life threatening.

IMHO the real heroes in this world are those that work on developing things like vaccines and medicines and those that play a part in the process(including trials) that gets them used by the the wider population.

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Supafreak Thursday, 8 Apr 2021 at 10:09am

Just not sure if the risk versus benefit is the same considering how covid effects the overall vast majority of kids . I really don’t know how anyone could volunteer a 6 month old baby , to me it’s just another money spinner for big pharma. The diseases you have pointed out indo did effect babies and children but covid does not effect them like an adult, if you have a look why it’s something to do with their overall respiratory system hasn’t fully developed like a teenager or adult .

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Supafreak Thursday, 8 Apr 2021 at 10:11am

Did you know indo that AZ still hasn’t been approved yet in the US ?

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Supafreak Thursday, 8 Apr 2021 at 3:15pm

@udo , what was the story ? When I click on link it keeps saying page can’t be found .

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udo Thursday, 8 Apr 2021 at 3:35pm

Hmm getting same ...was there bit earlier
This is similiar Article

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Supafreak Thursday, 8 Apr 2021 at 3:48pm

Ok cheers udo , to much of a rush maybe ? Meanwhile UK now changes recommendations for those under 30.

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Is there suggestion of a six month baby being trialed for Covid vaccine though?

That doesn't sound right?...

You would expect they would be doing trials in late teen kids first if they are doing any trials in under 18 year olds and working down from there.

I don't know too much about it, but i trust the medical experts and you would expect if the vaccines continue to show good results in preventing spread of the virus it would make sense to vaccinate those under 18, to prevent transmission even if they are a low risk group in being affected by the virus.

In regard to what USA does, i don't think that should have too much affect on us, even if the vaccine is proven to show blood clots, the rates are super low much lower than in other medicine's.

If i was a person that was concerned about possible long term effects, id be more worried about the other mRNA Covid vaccines.

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Supafreak Thursday, 8 Apr 2021 at 5:19pm

@indo , I posted this on 20th march Did you also look at my latest links ?