Next Federal Election
Most respected comments from an article in the Age yesterday about Price and her defection to the Libs … ….
Price is one of the least appealing politicians I have heard speak. The liberal party will dissolve.
If the Liberals choose the Taylor/Price leadership option, it's a clear sign that they've given up completely and accepted being in opposition in perpetuity.
Jacinta's defection from the Nats to the Libs days after being re-elected on the Nats ticket is exactly what this country needs right now. Another self-obsessed, selfish, sneaky, lying politician that we can all trust to do what is best for the country.
Don’t hold back. Tell it like it is!
And they’re her good points.
I'm not a fan, but Price was elected on a Country Liberal Party ticket; one of the many fringe parties that collectively are called "The Coalition"
Price. Synonymous with division and grievance politics. Bringing in new talent, eh?
Susan Ley, standing behind Peter Dutton at press conferences, earnestly nodding at his every word, is part of the Liberal problem.
southernraw wrote:gs-co wrote:it's easy, and Fliplid is right - it's everywhere. Just one example from my personal experience, and it's just the tip of the iceberg, is I lectured in quant finance last year and was required to incorporate, among other things, indigenous traditional knowledge, cultural sensitivities and "ways of knowing" into it. This kind of thing is happening across all universities and all courses. If anyone can explain to me how to incorporate for instance this indigenous stuff into mathematics courses then please enlighten me - even though I have a PhD in pure mathematics it appears that I'm still too stupid to work out how...
So why does this upset you so much @gsco? Why not embrace it? You might learn something and be able to spread something positive, since this is their country after all isn't it? Why the combative attitude towards something that should be seen as progressive and positive??
There's entire university departments offering entire courses in indigenous studies. Students actually enrol in say finance courses to learn...umm...err...finance...not to have lunatic progressive ideology rammed down their throats - they can get that in the other departments.
Universities have become so insane and biased, have detached so far from rationality and common sense, and are so dominated by progressives at all levels, that one is indeed labeled as far right fascist and cancel cultured for even slightly questioning the idea of say incorporating say indigenous studies in say finance courses.
One just has to self censor and be completely passive to it all. The moment you're sniffed out as not being a lunatic progressive and not agreeing with what's currently taking place, you're weeded out.
In general, I contrast what's happening in Western universities to say Chinese universities, simply because that's where I have personal experience. Chinese universities teach Chinese culture, history, politics in basically a "celebratory" fashion - Chinese people love their China and its culture, society, history. They revere it. They think it's superior to all others. They're building on it.
In contrast, Western universities are now overwhelmingly teaching students that Western or "white" culture and history - their very own culture and history - are terrible and evil, have caused all the problems in the world, only became powerful due to luck and geography and rape and pillage and plundering of resources and genocide and stealing of lands and technologies etc. They're teaching that Western culture, values and history need to be dismantled and replaced with other ideologies and peoples' cultures and "ways of knowing" - and the progressives are happily working away hell bent on doing just that. They're infusing all uni courses with their new ideology. Instead of building on Western culture and history, they're trying to tear it down and replace it with something else. It's beyond insane. China is laughing its head off.
Universities are the epicentre of it. The Greens are a political expression of much of it. I fell for it for a while, until I started reading history and economics again in my spare time - then I realised just how wrong I was and the lunatic progressives are. Stu seems to hate me for it.
Would have been good to see brand new faces from the younger crew in the liberal party but that doesn't seem to be how things work.
Her switch to the liberals would be the best way for her to be deputy leader and add her vast indigenous knowledge into the system which needs a fresh and full approach.
Like her or not she is a go getter.
Education will close the gap completely, she knows that and so should everyone else.
Hard to get change without influence.
I think she would be a good pairing with Taylor and would keep him grounded in regards to the average joes. People over profit but also debt is death so we need the balance.
The people have chosen the govt. for now and for these times and I hope the greens realise they should let things flow through the senate seeing as everyone is over them and Labor were favoured by the people.
Good to see bandt and others gone from a fake environment party and people are sick of militant divisive vain over opinionated leaders.
Who would hire him in the real world.?….someone I suppose somewhere.
Got to love Australia…..we have it pretty good here.
Pray for wise choices by our government.
Optimist wrote:Would have been good to see brand new faces from the younger crew in the liberal party but that doesn't seem to be how things work.
Her switch to the liberals would be the best way for her to be deputy leader and add her vast indigenous knowledge into the system which needs a fresh and full approach.
Like her or not she is a go getter.
Education will close the gap completely, she knows that and so should everyone else.
Hard to get change without influence.
I think she would be a good pairing with Taylor and would keep him grounded in regards to the average joes. People over profit but also debt is death so we need the balance.
The people have chosen the govt. for now and for these times and I hope the greens realise they should let things flow through the senate seeing as everyone is over them and Labor were favoured by the people.
Good to see bandt and others gone from a fake environment party and people are sick of militant divisive vain over opinionated leaders.
Who would hire him in the real world.?….someone I suppose somewhere.
Got to love Australia…..we have it pretty good here.
Pray for wise choices by our government.
TDS
The Dutton Suck
Optimist wrote:Would have been good to see brand new faces from the younger crew in the liberal party but that doesn't seem to be how things work.
Her switch to the liberals would be the best way for her to be deputy leader and add her vast indigenous knowledge into the system which needs a fresh and full approach.
Like her or not she is a go getter.
Education will close the gap completely, she knows that and so should everyone else.
Hard to get change without influence.
I think she would be a good pairing with Taylor and would keep him grounded in regards to the average joes. People over profit but also debt is death so we need the balance.
The people have chosen the govt. for now and for these times and I hope the greens realise they should let things flow through the senate seeing as everyone is over them and Labor were favoured by the people.
Good to see bandt and others gone from a fake environment party and people are sick of militant divisive vain over opinionated leaders.
Who would hire him in the real world.?….someone I suppose somewhere.
Got to love Australia…..we have it pretty good here.
Pray for wise choices by our government.
Having Taylor and Price as opposition leaders will lead to some very entertaining question time.
Good job, well done Angus.
I really hope the liberals go with Angus & Jacinta . Let the comedy begin .
So the DEI candidate tilts for the anti DEI party. The Price is wrong!
Although it looked for a while that the Libs were gaining popularity through 2024, it was said from the outset of his appointment that having Dutton as leader guaranteed that they would never be elected.
I will bet my bottom dollar that a Coalition leadership comprising Angus & Jacinta will guarantee the Libs remain unelectable.
thermalben wrote:Although it looked for a while that the Libs were gaining popularity through 2024, it was said from the outset of his appointment that having Dutton as leader guaranteed that they would never be elected.
I will bet my bottom dollar that a Coalition leadership comprising Angus & Jacinta will guarantee the Libs remain unelectable.
Who do they have in ranks who would be electable?
Serious question.
LNP void of any real talent, and reckon this term could see some pretty nasty in party fighting. Not much unity to display, Price not going to help there.
Yep, both have lots of baggage: Taylor highly qualified in economics but really struggles politically because of it (his qualifications) and Price I have always seen as just another polarising Hanson figure whose only claim to fame is she can publicly get away with saying things that Hanson couldn’t because of her aboriginal identity.
But if Ley is the answer then the question is plain wrong because I don’t see her having the ability and/or willingness to stand up to the Nationals and stand up they must do to begin the decade?? long fight for city/urban voters.
The Libs are toast
Yeah, a few too many political skeletons in Angus’ closet.
Jacinta is raw ambition scripted by someone else. (Gina) Her loyalty is not to her constituents.
Supafreak wrote:I really hope the liberals go with Angus & Jacinta . Let the comedy begin .
+1
andy-mac wrote:thermalben wrote:Although it looked for a while that the Libs were gaining popularity through 2024, it was said from the outset of his appointment that having Dutton as leader guaranteed that they would never be elected.
I will bet my bottom dollar that a Coalition leadership comprising Angus & Jacinta will guarantee the Libs remain unelectable.
Who do they have in ranks who would be electable?
Serious question.
LNP void of any real talent, and reckon this term could see some pretty nasty in party fighting. Not much unity to display, Price not going to help there.
I think the Libs need to start a fresh.
It'll be at least two terms until they get back in, possibly three (which means a potential four-term Labor stint).
So, with 2031 - six years away - the next real chance at getting into power, possibly pushing back to 2034 - nine years away - the Libs have plenty of time to reset everything and think about candidates who are talented, have vision, and also don't have any baggage.
Angus & Jacinta have none of these qualities. Susan Ley isn't very inspiring either and I can't see her being any better in six years time. Michaelia Cash? No chance. Andrew Hastie? Haven't seen much of him so don't know, but suspect he'll end up in the mix at some point. James Patterson maybe? Don't know much about him but he looks confident in front of the camera, doesn't appear to be fazed being interviewed during tricky circumstances.
I can absolutely see Tim Wilson trying to push his way up the ladder, though despite apparently having some local electorate appeal, there's something about him that'll turn off nationwide voters (if he's in a leadership position).
Keith Wolahan would have been a good choice. Seems to be a smart bloke, speaks well. But unfortunately he's been voted out.
Just scrolled through the Liberals website looking for anyone else that stands out but couldn't find anyone.
Looks like they've really got their work cut out finding suitable candidates.
(as a side note... jeez for someone who never really cared about politics and doesn't know much about the Coalition, I really managed to rabbit on in the post above, like I might know something... apologies to all, because I don't..)
I’ll add democracy is at its healthiest when there’s a respectful contest of ideas around the centre and where both sides can come together for the good of the people/country.
So while I’m very happy that Dutton lost so badly because of the direction the country would have taken I’m now watching to see how all sides/colours work together in a positive and respectful manner.
GuySmiley wrote:I’ll add democracy is at its healthiest when there’s a respectful contest of ideas around the centre and where both sides can come together for the good of the people/country.
So while I’m very happy that Dutton lost so badly because of the direction the country would have taken I’m now watching to see how all sides/colours work together in a positive and respectful manner.
Agreed.
I also hope Albo eventually takes the opportunity to use his large majority to undertake many of the structural reforms that need addressing, but were previously off the table because of their toxicity in tight electoral competitions.
^^ good points @ben
Wilson ex IPA, need I say more because he has more baggage than an airport carousal!
Wolahan was the person, hopefully he has another crack next election
thermalben wrote:(as a side note... jeez for someone who never really cared about politics and doesn't know much about the Coalition, I really managed to rabbit on in the post above, like I might know something... apologies to all, because I don't..)
Reckon ya did a pretty good analysis there!
James Patterson IPA plant as is Tim Wilson.
Hope they can get something going for as guy mentioned, you need good opposition for democracy to work effectively.
If they go down culture war path they will slide further down.
Caveat, who knows what will happen on international stage, war etc could really change things quickly.
Read an article forget where, but basically saying Albo will be the alp 's Howard.
In for the long haul.
If he can smoothly pass the banner to Chalmers in a few years, Labor will look good.
Howard was never letting Costello become PM..
I think if Sussan adds another "s" to her name, and maybe another "y" to her last name, "Ssussan Lley", she could be a force to be reckoned with. Angus could retweet some more self congratulations or forge a few more untrue allegations against his political enemies, dip into his Cayman Island funds or burn some more protected grasslands on the family farm, he's a smart dumb guy our Angus, a real winner, and Jacinta will be such an asset with her wealth of political experience, great ideas and friendly demeanor, sitting up in the Senate getting dirty looks from her female LNP colleagues. Things could just turn around for them.
I wonder what John Howard has to say about all of this, who he endorses.
Pity Josh got rolled by the Doctor in Kooyong, now there was the future of the Liberal Party, him and the rapist from WA looked like leadership material a few years back.
I think that pencil necked pro nuke geek kid could be a chance in future, get him a safe seat, if they have any next election. Maybe not one where they were going to put a reactor though.
I bet Barnaby is thinking maybe he could do a Jacinta and cross over to the Libs, he'd have to lose the cowboy hat and get off the piss again, might be a bit hard for him to do either.
It's all up in the air at the moment.
The hour and a bit of Parliament on the ABC in the afternoons should be up for the best comedy at the Logies this year.
What a pack of dead shits, dip shits and drongos the LNP have become.
The Sky News Party.
adam12 wrote:I think if Sussan adds another "s" to her name, and maybe another "y" to her last name, "Ssussan Lley", she could be a force to be reckoned with. Angus could retweet some more self congratulations or forge a few more untrue allegations against his political enemies, dip into his Cayman Island funds or burn some more protected grasslands on the family farm, he's a smart dumb guy our Angus, a real winner, and Jacinta will be such an asset with her wealth of political experience, great ideas and friendly demeanor, sitting up in the Senate getting dirty looks from her female LNP colleagues. Things could just turn around for them.
I wonder what John Howard has to say about all of this, who he endorses.
Pity Josh got rolled by the Doctor in Kooyong, now there was the future of the Liberal Party, him and the rapist from WA looked like leadership material a few years back.
I think that pencil necked pro nuke geek kid could be a chance in future, get him a safe seat, if they have any next election. Maybe not one where they were going to put a reactor though.
I bet Barnaby is thinking maybe he could do a Jacinta and cross over to the Libs, he'd have to lose the cowboy hat and get off the piss again, might be a bit hard for him to do either.
It's all up in the air at the moment.
The hour and a bit of Parliament on the ABC in the afternoons should be up for the best comedy at the Logies this year.
What a pack of dead shits, dip shits and drongos the LNP have become.
The Sky News Party.
And Matt Canavan is going to challenge Littleproud for Nat leadership... haha
Bring back Barnaby...
Quality @adam12 … The Sky News Party, so very true. Had this published by the Age the other day
Credlin and her motley crew of malcontents serve a useful community service giving a voice to the perennially angry and bitter of the world. Without this fictional infotainment service there is no telling what mischief the telephone booth sized audience might get up to in the real world!!
gs-co wrote:southernraw wrote:gs-co wrote:it's easy, and Fliplid is right - it's everywhere. Just one example from my personal experience, and it's just the tip of the iceberg, is I lectured in quant finance last year and was required to incorporate, among other things, indigenous traditional knowledge, cultural sensitivities and "ways of knowing" into it. This kind of thing is happening across all universities and all courses. If anyone can explain to me how to incorporate for instance this indigenous stuff into mathematics courses then please enlighten me - even though I have a PhD in pure mathematics it appears that I'm still too stupid to work out how...
So why does this upset you so much @gsco? Why not embrace it? You might learn something and be able to spread something positive, since this is their country after all isn't it? Why the combative attitude towards something that should be seen as progressive and positive??
There's entire university departments offering entire courses in indigenous studies. Students actually enrol in say finance courses to learn...umm...err...finance...not to have lunatic progressive ideology rammed down their throats - they can get that in the other departments.
Universities have become so insane and biased, have detached so far from rationality and common sense, and are so dominated by progressives at all levels, that one is indeed labeled as far right fascist and cancel cultured for even slightly questioning the idea of say incorporating say indigenous studies in say finance courses.
One just has to self censor and be completely passive to it all. The moment you're sniffed out as not being a lunatic progressive and not agreeing with what's currently taking place, you're weeded out.
In general, I contrast what's happening in Western universities to say Chinese universities, simply because that's where I have personal experience. Chinese universities teach Chinese culture, history, politics in basically a "celebratory" fashion - Chinese people love their China and its culture, society, history. They revere it. They think it's superior to all others. They're building on it.
In contrast, Western universities are now overwhelmingly teaching students that Western or "white" culture and history - their very own culture and history - are terrible and evil, have caused all the problems in the world, only became powerful due to luck and geography and rape and pillage and plundering of resources and genocide and stealing of lands and technologies etc. They're teaching that Western culture, values and history need to be dismantled and replaced with other ideologies and peoples' cultures and "ways of knowing" - and the progressives are happily working away hell bent on doing just that. They're infusing all uni courses with their new ideology. Instead of building on Western culture and history, they're trying to tear it down and replace it with something else. It's beyond insane. China is laughing its head off.
Universities are the epicentre of it. The Greens are a political expression of much of it. I fell for it for a while, until I started reading history and economics again in my spare time - then I realised just how wrong I was and the lunatic progressives are. Stu seems to hate me for it.
Wow! That’s a lot of broad, sweeping generalisations, especially from someone who has worked in academia. I studied English literature, linguistics, history and philosophy at university, and I didn’t graduate with a disdain for Western culture. If anything, I developed an appreciation for many of the great achievements of Western civilisation, but I was also made aware of some of its more unsavoury aspects. That’s what I would call a rational, balanced perspective.
The history and English syllabuses I taught at high schools not that long ago adopted the same approach. The Aboriginal content in those subjects only formed a minor part of the syllabuses; it was never onerous to incorporate and it was genuinely interesting.
So what if there are whole courses dedicated to Aboriginal studies? There are also whole courses dedicated to mathematics, archaeology, medicine, architecture, etc. They’re all valid fields of study that contribute to a better understanding of our world.
Sure, there always have been and always will be university lecturers and school teachers who lean to the extreme left (or right!), but in my experience they are a minority as most are more centred in their outlook. Modern education emphasises critical thinking and I reckon most young people have the ability to distinguish rational, balanced thought from the ravings of “loonie lefties” and “right-wing nutjobs”.
Your criticisms of “woke, far-left progressive ideology” in education sound like vacuous, histrionic hyperbole that doesn’t reflect the realities at the coalface.
Just checking tbb's lucky Supa Chooseday the 13th brochure.
So [L] have gotta pick a chick from their 2 biggest Losers.
Then Albo has gotta choose his bridesmaid or he losses his balls!
Gromz : So no Democracy Sausages on Supa Chooseday...Gulp!
Are you fuckin' crazy...The knives are out...That's a Double / Triple Ouch!
overthefalls wrote:gs-co wrote:southernraw wrote:gs-co wrote:it's easy, and Fliplid is right - it's everywhere. Just one example from my personal experience, and it's just the tip of the iceberg, is I lectured in quant finance last year and was required to incorporate, among other things, indigenous traditional knowledge, cultural sensitivities and "ways of knowing" into it. This kind of thing is happening across all universities and all courses. If anyone can explain to me how to incorporate for instance this indigenous stuff into mathematics courses then please enlighten me - even though I have a PhD in pure mathematics it appears that I'm still too stupid to work out how...
So why does this upset you so much @gsco? Why not embrace it? You might learn something and be able to spread something positive, since this is their country after all isn't it? Why the combative attitude towards something that should be seen as progressive and positive??
There's entire university departments offering entire courses in indigenous studies. Students actually enrol in say finance courses to learn...umm...err...finance...not to have lunatic progressive ideology rammed down their throats - they can get that in the other departments.
Universities have become so insane and biased, have detached so far from rationality and common sense, and are so dominated by progressives at all levels, that one is indeed labeled as far right fascist and cancel cultured for even slightly questioning the idea of say incorporating say indigenous studies in say finance courses.
One just has to self censor and be completely passive to it all. The moment you're sniffed out as not being a lunatic progressive and not agreeing with what's currently taking place, you're weeded out.
In general, I contrast what's happening in Western universities to say Chinese universities, simply because that's where I have personal experience. Chinese universities teach Chinese culture, history, politics in basically a "celebratory" fashion - Chinese people love their China and its culture, society, history. They revere it. They think it's superior to all others. They're building on it.
In contrast, Western universities are now overwhelmingly teaching students that Western or "white" culture and history - their very own culture and history - are terrible and evil, have caused all the problems in the world, only became powerful due to luck and geography and rape and pillage and plundering of resources and genocide and stealing of lands and technologies etc. They're teaching that Western culture, values and history need to be dismantled and replaced with other ideologies and peoples' cultures and "ways of knowing" - and the progressives are happily working away hell bent on doing just that. They're infusing all uni courses with their new ideology. Instead of building on Western culture and history, they're trying to tear it down and replace it with something else. It's beyond insane. China is laughing its head off.
Universities are the epicentre of it. The Greens are a political expression of much of it. I fell for it for a while, until I started reading history and economics again in my spare time - then I realised just how wrong I was and the lunatic progressives are. Stu seems to hate me for it.
Wow! That’s a lot of broad, sweeping generalisations, especially from someone who has worked in academia. I studied English literature, linguistics, history and philosophy at university, and I didn’t graduate with a disdain for Western culture. If anything, I developed an appreciation for many of the great achievements of Western civilisation, but I was also made aware of some of its more unsavoury aspects. That’s what I would call a rational, balanced perspective.
The history and English syllabuses I taught at high schools not that long ago adopted the same approach. The Aboriginal content in those subjects only formed a minor part of the syllabuses; it was never onerous to incorporate and it was genuinely interesting.
So what if there are whole courses dedicated to Aboriginal studies? There are also whole courses dedicated to mathematics, archaeology, medicine, architecture, etc. They’re all valid fields of study that contribute to a better understanding of our world.
Sure, there always have been and always will be university lecturers and school teachers who lean to the extreme left (or right!), but in my experience they are a minority as most are more centred in their outlook. Modern education emphasises critical thinking and I reckon most young people have the ability to distinguish rational, balanced thought from the ravings of “loonie lefties” and “right-wing nutjobs”.
Your criticisms of “woke, far-left progressive ideology” in education sound like vacuous, histrionic hyperbole that doesn’t reflect the realities at the coalface.
Well said!
@overthefalls,
Yep, well said indeed.
"Your criticisms of “woke, far-left progressive ideology” in education sound like vacuous, histrionic hyperbole that doesn’t reflect the realities at the coalface."
They reflect something else I reckon.
Bit of a mix of racism and paranoia, and "far right regressive ideology".
But still, worth hearing and reading, like all/most opinions. Even @Indo's.
The implied right of free speech we all enjoy in Australia, long may it remain so.
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overthefalls you obviously haven't spent any time in universities during and post covid
gs-co wrote:overthefalls you obviously haven't spent any time in universities during and post covid
How did the covid pandemic cause the things you have described?
“But still, worth hearing and reading, like all/most opinions. Even @Indo's.
The implied right of free speech we all enjoy in Australia, long may it remain so.”
For sure! Engaging with contrary viewpoints forces us to scrutinise our own opinions, which can prompt us to either alter or reinforce our standpoints.
Just backtracked to Ben's coming outta the cabinet Apology...
Motion that the Boss knows more bout Wotz Not than he's letting on.
Crew are 100% in agreement with yer political analysis but are too polite to air their grievance.
Bens a Palpable Political Animal...like who knew!
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overthefalls wrote:gs-co wrote:overthefalls you obviously haven't spent any time in universities during and post covid
How did the covid pandemic cause the things you have described?
I didn't say it caused it. It's just when the change taking place in universities really accelerated and became very noticeable "to the naked eye". It'd been boiling away under the surface and gaining pace through the 2010s, but then something happened around the time of Trump's first term and covid. Seemingly overnight everything became different. Left ideology was no longer optional but instead was enforced from the top down.
as I've said before @gsco, unis have always been left-leaning, but the thing you're talking about is mostly due to decades long de-funding and economising of unis, research grants funding departments now.. i.e. if you run a humanities topic, you have to provide research at similar levels to sciences.. so you end up with studies like 'a new insight into the implications of transgender portrayals in shakespeare tragedies as they pertain to new-migrant thesbians' gender fluidity and understanding of unfamiliar societal norms', where the dept would rather just be studying shakespeare.. and guess which research gets picked up by divisive news and sites.. the above thesis, or the one titled 'the evolution and development of the codpiece in the elizabethan theatre'.?
there's some validity in your musings, but wtf are we focusing on ??
as @adam12's post said yesterday..? anyone talking about nuclear, transgender, left-education, migration and all the silver-bullet distractions to an OBSESSIVE level has totally fallen for the tail wagging us.. they've GOTCHA!
gs-co wrote:southernraw wrote:gs-co wrote:it's easy, and Fliplid is right - it's everywhere. Just one example from my personal experience, and it's just the tip of the iceberg, is I lectured in quant finance last year and was required to incorporate, among other things, indigenous traditional knowledge, cultural sensitivities and "ways of knowing" into it. This kind of thing is happening across all universities and all courses. If anyone can explain to me how to incorporate for instance this indigenous stuff into mathematics courses then please enlighten me - even though I have a PhD in pure mathematics it appears that I'm still too stupid to work out how...
So why does this upset you so much @gsco? Why not embrace it? You might learn something and be able to spread something positive, since this is their country after all isn't it? Why the combative attitude towards something that should be seen as progressive and positive??
There's entire university departments offering entire courses in indigenous studies. Students actually enrol in say finance courses to learn...umm...err...finance...not to have lunatic progressive ideology rammed down their throats - they can get that in the other departments.
Universities have become so insane and biased, have detached so far from rationality and common sense, and are so dominated by progressives at all levels, that one is indeed labeled as far right fascist and cancel cultured for even slightly questioning the idea of say incorporating say indigenous studies in say finance courses.
One just has to self censor and be completely passive to it all. The moment you're sniffed out as not being a lunatic progressive and not agreeing with what's currently taking place, you're weeded out.
In general, I contrast what's happening in Western universities to say Chinese universities, simply because that's where I have personal experience. Chinese universities teach Chinese culture, history, politics in basically a "celebratory" fashion - Chinese people love their China and its culture, society, history. They revere it. They think it's superior to all others. They're building on it.
In contrast, Western universities are now overwhelmingly teaching students that Western or "white" culture and history - their very own culture and history - are terrible and evil, have caused all the problems in the world, only became powerful due to luck and geography and rape and pillage and plundering of resources and genocide and stealing of lands and technologies etc. They're teaching that Western culture, values and history need to be dismantled and replaced with other ideologies and peoples' cultures and "ways of knowing" - and the progressives are happily working away hell bent on doing just that. They're infusing all uni courses with their new ideology. Instead of building on Western culture and history, they're trying to tear it down and replace it with something else. It's beyond insane. China is laughing its head off.
Universities are the epicentre of it. The Greens are a political expression of much of it. I fell for it for a while, until I started reading history and economics again in my spare time - then I realised just how wrong I was and the lunatic progressives are. Stu seems to hate me for it.
Interesting, because the university i'm attending doesn't teach that rhetoric at all, in fact the opposite. It stays within the confines of what society expects from it's educational institutions, but allows freedom of thought. And you still haven't answered why having these things added into your learning offends you so much. i.e what is it about Aboriginal culture and history that is so offensive to you that you feel the need to calll it out so vehemently. I get you don't like it's inclusion. But what specifically offends you about what they're teaching in these added on subjects. Got some examples?? Might be able to understand your outrage then.
Btw the two years now i've been back into the books, i've not once had any indigenous topics tapped onto any of the units i'm doing, which is interesting because the field i'm studying you'd expect is more closely aligned to these kind of concepts. Nothing in the forecast either for all the units. There's obviously some subjects where it's part of the module, but nothing 'forced' upon us. Strange that it's happening at gscos uni. Which is why i'd love a bit more detail on it.
andy-mac wrote:thermalben wrote:Although it looked for a while that the Libs were gaining popularity through 2024, it was said from the outset of his appointment that having Dutton as leader guaranteed that they would never be elected.
I will bet my bottom dollar that a Coalition leadership comprising Angus & Jacinta will guarantee the Libs remain unelectable.
Who do they have in ranks who would be electable?
Serious question.
LNP void of any real talent, and reckon this term could see some pretty nasty in party fighting. Not much unity to display, Price not going to help there.
dead right
there's literally no one, no one to get them there within 2 cycles anyway...
jp is the only (unlikely) option that might, whilst she cops it on here, her favorability ranking is up with the best... wong, lambie... so that's the non nutty partisan perspective that I reckon she can grow...
and, there's a couple of scenarios where I can see that actually thrive
she's not the messiah, she's the cat amongst the pigeons candidate that can really shake shit up - and I'm not primarily talking indigenous affairs here
shit needs shaking up
shit has shaken up...
it's the two majors trying to keep a lid on it that's stifling... well, stuff...
SR you're doing exactly what they do, their standard playbook: Denying what's happening, saying what's happening is normal and centrist, questioning why one is questioning it, and framing and accusing one of things like being racist (i.e. "Aboriginal culture and history that is so offensive to you") when they do question it.
The issue has nothing to do with Aboriginal culture and history, and it's got nothing to do with Indigenous studies courses or other "added on" subjects (I don't even know what you're referring to there) offered in other departments.
The issue is about being coerced into incorporating material that's completely unrelated to the actual course. And that's not even the issue either: I'm just using it as a particular tip-of-the-iceberg example of the more general ideological shift currently happening in universities in a wide variety of ways.
If you want more examples, this issue of universities become highly left ideological across the Western world - far more extreme and intolerant than they traditionally are - is being discussed everywhere online. You kind find plenty of real world accounts of it.
I'm not sure what part of me referring to your post you don't understand @gsco. Incorporating material that's completely unrelated? Same page yeah?
My question is, why does that particular content offend you so much. That's the angle you went with so i'm wondering why not just take it on board just like @overthefalls. It aint gonna kill you and you might be able to pass some positive knowledge along. Win win.
Like i said though, none of what you mention is being 'incorporated' into my degree so i'm curious why it's so different at your uni. You're saying i'm following the standard playbook, yet, there is no book i can even see of that you're talking about. I think you're telling porkies.
I finished a degree about 5 years ago and there was a compulsory unit called Indigenous Cultural Strengths.
Was fundamentally worthwhile.
Only complaint is that we were pressured to identify as non-Australian.
Lecturer - “Where are you from?”
Me- Australia.
“No, where are you from originally?”
Australia.
So there was (of course) an expectation of having a look at heritage and identity but nothing too radical.
velocityjohnno wrote:andy-mac wrote:Reckon that analysis could be spot on VJ...
Thanks Andy, can I go further? I reckon there's an existential threat to the two major parties that fight for the suburbs.
You can sort of, sort of see it already. I think the Libs are at existential risk first, but perhaps it's both at once. The suburban/regional electorate is fickle, it doesn't like to be spat down upon, and it certainly doesn't like the last 20 years of policy, because most of the fallout has fallen on it. Drive past what used to be Pilkington glass or the Ford engine plant in Geelong, for example - Stu's excellent article linked the other day talks about this from the economists' perspective.
I digress - the suburban/regional electorate is very (wish I could do italics here), very vulnerable to nationalist parties - whether from the right or left doesn't matter, maybe a combination of both.
So we see since covid how hopeless the Vic Libs have been, and we saw in the first post-covid WA election an utter annihilation of the WA Libs. We've now seen federally a huge ALP victory on around a third of the vote... I was most watching One Nation, which increased from 4.9% of the vote to 6.2% of the vote, for any inkling of a nationalist pulse; it's there, and small for now. We're about one or two electoral cycles behind the suffering of working/middle class suburban/regional people in other Western nations...
Which brings me to today's exhibit. Hold your noses at the source of the link some of you, but just look at the chart two images from the top. While we were doing our federal election, something remarkable happened in the UK.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/02/reform-would-win-landsli...
The chart is a picture of the UK, and it's almost entirely teal (my eyes see teal, they say light blue, psychology eh?). The scale of this swing is absolutely massive. If the local council/mayoral elections were a national election today, the nationalist party would absolutely dismember both major parties. It's got some right to it (stop immigration), it's got some left to it (nationalise industry).
You will recall that Labour won the UK's most recent election with about 30% of the vote, but won a landslide. Subsequently, they acted in ways to piss off the working/middle class people: ending the pensioner's fuel allowance, locking up protesters incensed by a stabbing incident where children were killed, etc. The nationalist party, Reform, has skyrocketed from sub 10% support to the largest polled party, despite Trump and all his chaos.
I can see a decent nationalist party taking a hammer to the Libs and ALP, if a credible one was to present itself. Then it'd be on like Donkey Kong between a working class/lower middle class party and the high income parties - there's your class struggle. At last.
absolutely spot on
I touched on this the other day, but you've totally nailed it over a few posts
people don't like to hear it, but labor have created themselves a physically impossible task
like literally physically impossible...
how they play this will define the country
and their viability...
two things are certain, homelessness and poverty are to rise, it's gonna get ugly... considerably ugly... before it gets better...
that ugliness will largely remain on the fringes, as our now multi speed economy flourishes elsewhere, but it ain't gonna get better, which is going to be confronting for many australians - as it should be
US style encampments are already a feature, and this phenomenon cannot physically reduce under labor's numbers - ts impossible, they can only increase - it's as simple as that
how labor (and australia) went from...
'no child will live in poverty by 1990'
to the current dynamic, is mind blowing really
AndyM wrote:I finished a degree about 5 years ago and there was a compulsory unit called Indigenous Cultural Strengths.
Was fundamentally worthwhile.
Only complaint is that we were pressured to identify as non-Australian.
Lecturer - “Where are you from?”
Me- Australia.
“No, where are you from originally?”
Australia.
So there was (of course) an expectation of having a look at heritage and identity but nothing too radical.
Was just stirring gsco @andyM
Wow that's hectic about that part of things.
I conceed that's too far, but i''d imagine an outlier.
sypkan wrote:velocityjohnno wrote:andy-mac wrote:Reckon that analysis could be spot on VJ...
Thanks Andy, can I go further? I reckon there's an existential threat to the two major parties that fight for the suburbs.
You can sort of, sort of see it already. I think the Libs are at existential risk first, but perhaps it's both at once. The suburban/regional electorate is fickle, it doesn't like to be spat down upon, and it certainly doesn't like the last 20 years of policy, because most of the fallout has fallen on it. Drive past what used to be Pilkington glass or the Ford engine plant in Geelong, for example - Stu's excellent article linked the other day talks about this from the economists' perspective.
I digress - the suburban/regional electorate is very (wish I could do italics here), very vulnerable to nationalist parties - whether from the right or left doesn't matter, maybe a combination of both.
So we see since covid how hopeless the Vic Libs have been, and we saw in the first post-covid WA election an utter annihilation of the WA Libs. We've now seen federally a huge ALP victory on around a third of the vote... I was most watching One Nation, which increased from 4.9% of the vote to 6.2% of the vote, for any inkling of a nationalist pulse; it's there, and small for now. We're about one or two electoral cycles behind the suffering of working/middle class suburban/regional people in other Western nations...
Which brings me to today's exhibit. Hold your noses at the source of the link some of you, but just look at the chart two images from the top. While we were doing our federal election, something remarkable happened in the UK.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/02/reform-would-win-landsli...
The chart is a picture of the UK, and it's almost entirely teal (my eyes see teal, they say light blue, psychology eh?). The scale of this swing is absolutely massive. If the local council/mayoral elections were a national election today, the nationalist party would absolutely dismember both major parties. It's got some right to it (stop immigration), it's got some left to it (nationalise industry).
You will recall that Labour won the UK's most recent election with about 30% of the vote, but won a landslide. Subsequently, they acted in ways to piss off the working/middle class people: ending the pensioner's fuel allowance, locking up protesters incensed by a stabbing incident where children were killed, etc. The nationalist party, Reform, has skyrocketed from sub 10% support to the largest polled party, despite Trump and all his chaos.
I can see a decent nationalist party taking a hammer to the Libs and ALP, if a credible one was to present itself. Then it'd be on like Donkey Kong between a working class/lower middle class party and the high income parties - there's your class struggle. At last.
absolutely spot on
I touched on this the other day, but you've totally nailed it over a few posts
people don't like to hear it, but labor have created themselves a physically impossible task
like literally physically impossible...
how they play this will define the country
and their viability...
two things are certain, homelessness and poverty are to rise, it's gonna get ugly... considerably ugly... before it gets better...
that ugliness will largely remain on the fringes, as our now multi speed economy flourishes elsewhere, but it ain't gonna get better, which is going to be confronting for many australians - as it should be
US style encampments are already a feature, and this phenomenon cannot physically reduce under labor's numbers - ts impossible, they can only increase - it's as simple as that
how labor (and australia) went from...
'no child will live in poverty by 1990'
to the current dynamic, is mind blowing really
I read about a homeless encampment or tent city being dismantled in Brisbane this week. Nothing about what was going to happen to the people that were living there. The tone was more along the lines of ridding the eyesore and not the causes. Many of the people there were under 25. Life in this country (and everywhere) doesn't always provide the basic essentials for many people. Anyone who has tried to get themselves on benefits will tell you how difficult Centrelink's processes are to navigate. To get jobseeker you have to have a phone and a residence and a computer to start with, or you get moved on to a charity. The compliance is daunting for many, too hard. It is always necessary to make sure people don't abuse the system but a string of LNP governments used the unemployed as convenient culture war victims and entrenched them as "bludgers" or "leaners". The same attitude was applied to pensioners and DSP recipients, particularly by the likes of Hockey, Abbott and Morrison. The same systems are in place under the ALP.
A jobkeeper allowance doesn't even cover the current median capital city rentals (single JSP is $781.10 a fortnight, Sydney median rent is $775 per week, Melb. is $580), rent assistance adds another $100 per week. The single pension rate is $1149 a fortnight. Anglicare released a submission during the campaign that there were only three or four rental properties in the the whole country that were affordable for those people.
Not everyone is capable of working a full time job and providing enough income, and many that do just get the right to sponsor the wealth creation of others through overpriced rental properties and never the chance to create their own.
Albanese made speeches at both his last and his recent election victories that included the platitude "no one gets left behind", similar to Hawke's famous platitude about child poverty.
But many are, they talk big but talk is all they do.
If you crunch the numbers on the 5% deposit scheme the reality is that banks charge higher interest on those loans and to qualify a young couple has to be earning in the vicinity of $300K p.a. to qualify for a median house price. Albo says "supply...build more houses" but so far how many have been built? None really is the answer. And who is building them? Developers. Social housing is the job of State Governments in the main. The Housing Future Fund, much lauded by Albanese during the campaign, has so far built a total of 400 houses. The "aim" is to build 30,000 over the next five years. Drop in a bucket.
Meanwhile house prices are again soaring upwards.
Menzies built 227, 000 in three years leading up to 1954, Chiefly built 140,000 in the same period prior to that.
Egalitarian Australia has become Fuck You and Fuck Them Australia.
Not good enough.
We give away our resources, our common heritage for nothing to foreign interests. We trash our pristine environment to make money for the likes of Canadian multinationals like Tassal. We rig our public spending and tax system to provide wealth for the wealthy. Our banks make obscene profits.
Our political classes are corrupt to the core.
It's a fkn mess this country.
No side of politics prepared to make hard choices.
Weak as piss the lot of them.
I wonder where the tent city people go when they get turfed.
Jail would be an option for many I reckon, at least you get food and a roof over your head.
Lots of comments from JP supporters in the comments ………. just kidding, very diplomatic from the future hope of the LP , would we really expect anything less?
{Open Apology}
[4:50] Albo's Twitch > Please all of Nation pause to notice...can assure the crew it's fine...no concern!
[Disclaimer] tbb is an isolating Mental Outpatient struggling to breathe or walk without immense pain.
Just assume tbb can spot another hiding their struggle...common courtesy is not conspiracy!
This is not about shaming but sharing the pain & love...even respect & admiration for our PM.
tbb asked the crew why Albo seemed exhausted / depressed... and why this Glum response.
We see here the PM bizarrely snigger at ALP Chix good fortune...(Like is that a serious episode!)
Ok...the more ya replay that moment the more concern for our PM just suffering an ill health episode!
After viewing several Vids of PM
It becomes apparent these episodes are triggered by Intense Profound Statements...
Like is he stressing himself out...or is it the Crowd Response or perhaps the Cheering Noise.
At these moments the PM takes pause to Twitch or Drink of fumble if need be...not exactly nerves!
Yes! Indeed this is a real condition (Phobia) that some are born with & choose a life to overcome it...
That whole Prez Joe Stutter Triumph > Spectrum Tech Geeks...crew are wise to many compensations.
30-50% suffering similar episodes are born to medicated parents of severe Auto Immune Conditions.
Sure! We've all heard the PM's back story play out in real time but how many pause to consider...
A child born from such Heavy Med dosed Severe Condition...Ok! Are we all on the same page now...
Regardless of Father being in two minds after the birth of a heavily dosed dependant new born.
Pause! Just know the PM is making strides & breaking thru to assist 100.000's born of ill health!
If ya wanna know more...simply Cluedo the PM's Kudos...gotta salute that...
No one gets held Back is his birth rite ...not a political slogan...not in the PM's case...
If he sounds genuine on that...take tbb's word...do not question his legitimacy!
That's tbb's kinda PM...song & dance man is laying down some solid trax & winning over fans!
If ya wanna know more...sure...tbb would be stoked to present a gallery of well wishers!
Even more stoked to lay out The PM's Legacy Foundation.
Just feel that us neutrals have a right to alert Constituents if one feels it's in the national interest.
Also when it flies under the radar when PM is trying to secretly stoke it...cut him some slack!
But equally we must disqualify ourselves from stoking yer Democratic goodwill...that's your right!
Coz tbb is not that stupid...it's the struggle story > the rise to the Top that all here voted on...your gig!
No right to interfere in this larger than life legacy...just stripping it back...that's all tbb is doing!
Crew are wise enough to join the dots to reveal who their PM really is...He is a Quiet Achiever!
As said...if ya still can't suss this...then for sure...tbb is happy to share PM's Goodwill Legacy.
You'll understand why tbb thinks each of you must go on yer journey to unmask your true Hero.
Just on that...tbb did check & for sure...this is taboo outside of NFE Exclusive...
Well...maybe tbb should have led with #1swellnet exclusive but that's not what this is about...Ok!
Not this time...prefer if crew keep it on the down low once ya know > Until the PM comes out!
Yes...Sure tbb thinks it should be out there but all know that's impossible > Lose his job!
So we all want to live in his World > but that can't happen as much as another Chick PM...Never!
Still gotta play these stupid bullshit games of ruling leaders out by box ticking.
Can leave a trail...but that's all...saying too much as tbb will likely be hounded down...
People will say bullshit & tbb don't really care for those exempting Pauline's pisstake on Albo!
Check for non political foundation making news in 2025 + Recent retiring ALP taskforce leader!
Just check for the retiring ALP guy that pulls 0.7% more Votes than Albo
Sure...Check which foundation are stoked for Albo's Victory!
Again...why not simply start with PM's pet Project! You know ya want to...Shh...Said too much!
We neutrals are Happy to Share with fellow dogooder constituents...for a good cause of course!
adam12 even though I don't agree with a lot of what you say I always read it and learn something from it. Have you ever read book called Veronica Decides to Die by Paulo Coelho? I'm sure anyone who has will know why I asked.
"I read about a homeless encampment or tent city being dismantled in Brisbane this week. Nothing about what was going to happen to the people that were living there. The tone was more along the lines of ridding the eyesore and not the causes..."
yep, saw that
seems the initial tolerance and empathy that was running when this homelessness crisis started has waned pretty quickly
I joked about it being a great time to live in your car, as this was virtually impossible to do in some choice locations like around byron and margaret river 30 years ago as the council rangers were brutal
freeride said a recent tolerance had definitely developed... but for how long?
and yes, where do these people go?
especially around the cities, most back in the day had substance or mental problems, but now it's mums, families, and people even trying to hold down a job
there is nowhere to go... sure, go hide in a forest or whatever... but that ain't gonna keep you in a job...
and yes the social security system is brutal to tap into. everything going online life and stuff has had great benefits for many, but it's a cold hard world when your not in it or even capable to access it
poor old aging blokes that aren't old enough for pension but must do everything online to access any help are basically fucked
(women too, but generally seem more adaptable to online life)
sadly, it's our 'brave new world', where the purported social security net is not even accessible
it's not all by accident, not at all by accident... it's about decisions and calculations made... 'collateral damage' calculated...
callous
yep. have a crack at Skallagrigg @gsco,
a reminder that choices for some are less cut and dry..
gs-co wrote:adam12 even though I don't agree with a lot of what you say I always read it and learn something from it. Have you ever read book called Veronica Decides to Die by Paulo Coelho? I'm sure anyone who has will know why I asked.
Seen the movie.
What's your point?
All I see is what's wrong with the world?
I should kill myself?
I need to appreciate life more?
I should be in a Slovenian asylum?
Explain yourself.
An explanation would be helpful gs-co.
@Adam12
"Jail would be an option for many I reckon, at least you get food and a roof over your head."
We often get people coming into the emergency department of the hospital putting on a mental health performance just to get a bed and some food.
I don’t know. It’s not a book about suicide, but about living. And not just about living in the sense of just staying alive, but about actually living. It’s kind of about leaving negativity or vitriol behind, and saying fuck it and jumping on a plane to go surfing with Supa in Indo. It’s more than that too. I haven’t seen the movie. It helped me a lot when I needed it. It’s so easy to fall into negativity. I’m not trying to criticise you.
I like that about you gs-co. You rarely go at the man, always at the ball.
Differences in opinions aside, I respect that alot.
Might as well put this up in the politics subforum, to spare the front page. It's 18 months away or so, but here we go.
This is how Dutton wins:
https://www.afr.com/politics/enter-the-liberal-party-working-class-heroe...