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zenagain wrote:Two excellent posts Southern and Andy above.
+1
stunet wrote:Lots of outside influences shaped this election but gotta feel like it's the last of the Boomer Elections - where policies were crafted to appease the once-enormous cohort of post-war babies.
At least two elections back, the LNP were wondering how they might expand their base to Gen-Z and Millennials who'll never own houses. If you can't afford the Australian Dream, aren't financially secure, then the tendency will be towards change, not conservatism.
How much longer will CGT and NG hold out against a young mob who want in?
I suspect there's at least another cycle maybe even two given the Liberals have insisted on hard right leadership (that wont change for at least 2 more cycles if at all) and Labor maintaining temporary immigration levels (required unless you want a recession). To shake all that out takes time.
I thought this thread might deliver a bit more hilarity today, but these two comments would stand out even in a sea of zingers:
indo-dreaming wrote:If we are honest it would all be the same under LNP, only difference is we will just see more eroding of things like family value's under Labor.
Plz explain how a Labor government is gonna erode "family values"? What even are family values, cos when ever I hear that term, I think of what happens in the movie Pleasantville, or maybe the closeted Dad on American Beauty. Labor's gonna erode family values. Fucken class-ic.
sypkan wrote:nice to see some of you miserable fucks smile for a change...
Is the pot seeing black kettles, when really before him is a mostly well adjusted and content bunch of toasters?
did you reckon the dad in american beauty was closeted?
I thought it was more complex,
like he didn't know how to express love to his son,
and was confused about what that was..
and why another feller could do that, make a connection..
probably with a background of traumatic things too..
haha, yep pot kettle grumpy fucking curmudgeon, grrrrr
they all need to go down the milk bar and get some mixed lollies..
or order a pizza and watch the simpsons while someone plays in the backyard..
it's really quite ok, and on the improve, if anyone needs help, just ask..
This shows the result of each polling booth in the country. Quite interesting
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/federal-election-results-2025...
Hiccups wrote:I thought this thread might deliver a bit more hilarity today, but these two comments would stand out even in a sea of zingers:
indo-dreaming wrote:If we are honest it would all be the same under LNP, only difference is we will just see more eroding of things like family value's under Labor.
Plz explain how a Labor government is gonna erode "family values"? What even are family values, cos when ever I hear that term, I think of what happens in the movie Pleasantville, or maybe the closeted Dad on American Beauty. Labor's gonna erode family values. Fucken class-ic.
sypkan wrote:nice to see some of you miserable fucks smile for a change...
Is the pot seeing black kettles, when really before him is a mostly well adjusted and content bunch of toasters?
Yes, that comment of Indo's made me chuckle. I guess it depends on your family values. Indo has been fairly balanced today though. I far prefer Indo in opinion mode, compared to when he's in his factual, PhD in everything mode. Although, I can't agree with you Indo on this comment: "Only thing i will agree with is that with so much uncertainty already in the world with Trump and wars etc that people are looking for more stability and dont want more change. Basically better the devil you know than the devil you dont."
No, we all have memories. ALP have only been in power for 3 years. The community knows Dutton, we know what he stands for, we know what his predecessor Morrison stood for. That's a key reason why they lost.
basesix wrote:did you reckon the dad in american beauty was closeted?
I thought it was more complex,
like he didn't know how to express love to his son,
and was confused about what that was..
and why another feller could do that, make a connection..
probably with a background of traumatic things too..
Yeah, your theory is probably the most likely, and said confusion made Frank question things about his own attractions that he'd repressed, so not closeted per-se. I haven't seen that movie for ages and come to think of it, Frank simply hiding being gay does seem like lazy writing, character development-wise.
adam12 wrote:@Indo, despite losing seats in the lower house, probably deservingly, the Greens are still the key crossbench party in the Senate with 11 seats. Labor will need them to pass legislation opposed by the LNP, so they are still an effective political force.
Bandt is not much of a political leader I agree, but the lower house seats really don't matter. It's in the Senate that they still hold power, and have some effective and worthy politicians.
They will stay relevant.
Honestly im just happy with any reduction in Greens seats.
And if Adam losses his seat it would be the symbolism that's important. (in the same way Dutton losing his seat for you guys is)
Its' a big thing when a leader of a party losses their seat, it's a message and sign from the public that the party is not going in the direction they like. (even if Adam doesn't lose his seat, it being at risk still sends this message)
And yes 100% this is true in LNP case, poor leader, poor campaign. poor policy, and just some nonsense ideas like nuclear, or against working at home, honestly in a sense i think it's a good thing for LNP it's the kick up the arse they need for the future.
But yeah similar deal with the Greens and Adam, maybe it's time for the Greens to actually go back to being a greens party and focus on the environment.
IMHO the thing the two parties have in common and mistake that both have made is culture wars bull shit, most people aren't interested in that shit, it puts them off, they need to leave that shit for us crazy people online to argue about, just worry about the shit people care about like economy, jobs, housing etc which to be fair to Labor (voice aside) they have done, so Labor do deserve more time in government and having a majority government they at least can have more control to do what they think is best
This above might seem strange coming from me, but if a party gets into power i think they deserve to be able to do what they think is best and what they got voted in to do, it's like Trump in USA, government's that get voted in need to be able to do the things they think are needed.
And then years latter if it doesn't work or people think it sucks they get voted out, if the public is happy and think its working they get voted back in, but its sucks when governments get voted in to do something and then aren't able to do so. (in my opinion)
"How much longer will CGT and NG hold out against a young mob who want in?"
Thats an interesting question.
Labor have just been voted back in via a landslide and have no policy prescription to change housing policy.
So, almost impossible to see them making any changes to CGT or NG in this term of Govt.
I can't for the life of me, imagine a Universe where the LNP scraps those features- it would completely alienate their core constituency, whatever remains of it.
Overwhelmingly, Australians have voted for the Status Quo in this election.
We've had 3 years to look at Albo (and Labor policies) and most people seem to have reached a conclusion: Albo's alright, bit of a plodder, but basically a decent bloke who is OK for a pollie and won't do anything stupid or rash.
Steady as she goes - no major policy agenda and a few nice touchy/feely words to bring the country together.
So, to answer the question, I can't see any potential for a shift in housing policy for a long, long time.
The Greens would be the only party with any potential to advocate for change and they've just been wiped out.
Teals are just Liberal-lite's who believe in climate change.
Teal voters don't want their investment homes whacked.
indo-dreaming wrote:adam12 wrote:@Indo, despite losing seats in the lower house, probably deservingly, the Greens are still the key crossbench party in the Senate with 11 seats. Labor will need them to pass legislation opposed by the LNP, so they are still an effective political force.
Bandt is not much of a political leader I agree, but the lower house seats really don't matter. It's in the Senate that they still hold power, and have some effective and worthy politicians.
They will stay relevant.IMHO the thing the two parties have in common and mistake that both have made is culture wars bull shit, most people aren't interested in that shit, it puts them off, they need to leave that shit for us crazy people online to argue about, just worry about the shit people care about like economy, jobs, housing etc which to be fair to Labor (voice aside) they have done, so Labor do deserve more time in government and having a majority government they at least can have more control to do what they think is best
This is pretty much true, but who is guilty of stoking the culture war fires? Hmmm...
indo-dreaming wrote:)if a party gets into power i think they deserve to be able to do what they think is best and what they got voted in to do, it's like Trump in USA, government's that get voted in need to be able to do the things they think are needed.
What, like undermining the rule of law and disregarding due process? ok.
@indo
“ if a party gets into power i think they deserve to be able to do what they think is best and what they got voted in to do, it's like Trump in USA, government's that get voted in need to be able to do the things they think are needed.”
That’s not how parliamentary democracies are supposed to work mate. In the case of the US, for example, DJT won with less than half of the 2/3 of eligible voters in 2024. That’s not a ‘mandate’.
The role of the parliament / congress is to bring the representatives of the population to develop and implement policies and pass legislation that further the interests of the country. Unless you get an absolute majority - which is rare - the system is designed to require compromise to pass legislation etc. In some cases that might be through cooperation with the left, sometimes with the right.
Newly elected governments of all persuasions like to claim a ‘mandate’ - but we should never accept a proclaimed mandate.
I can imagine the bleating from you (and others) if Labor embarked on as radical a process of policy implementation as Trump et al have done in the US, with the same level of disregard for law and process. It would be absolutely howled down. (As it should be).
indo-dreaming wrote:adam12 wrote:@Indo, despite losing seats in the lower house, probably deservingly, the Greens are still the key crossbench party in the Senate with 11 seats. Labor will need them to pass legislation opposed by the LNP, so they are still an effective political force.
Bandt is not much of a political leader I agree, but the lower house seats really don't matter. It's in the Senate that they still hold power, and have some effective and worthy politicians.
They will stay relevant.Honestly im just happy with any reduction in Greens seats.
And if Adam losses his seat it would be the symbolism that's important. (in the same way Dutton losing his seat for you guys is)
Its' a big thing when a leader of a party losses their seat, it's a message and sign from the public that the party is not going in the direction they like. (even if Adam doesn't lose his seat, it being at risk still sends this message)
And yes 100% this is true in LNP case, poor leader, poor campaign. poor policy, and just some nonsense ideas like nuclear, or against working at home, honestly in a sense i think it's a good thing for LNP it's the kick up the arse they need for the future.
But yeah similar deal with the Greens and Adam, maybe it's time for the Greens to actually go back to being a greens party and focus on the environment.
IMHO the thing the two parties have in common and mistake that both have made is culture wars bull shit, most people aren't interested in that shit, it puts them off, they need to leave that shit for us crazy people online to argue about, just worry about the shit people care about like economy, jobs, housing etc which to be fair to Labor (voice aside) they have done, so Labor do deserve more time in government and having a majority government they at least can have more control to do what they think is best
This above might seem strange coming from me, but if a party gets into power i think they deserve to be able to do what they think is best and what they got voted in to do, it's like Trump in USA, government's that get voted in need to be able to do the things they think are needed.
And then years latter if it doesn't work or people think it sucks they get voted out, if the public is happy and think its working they get voted back in, but its sucks when governments get voted in to do something and then aren't able to do so. (in my opinion)
Looks like Greens are still going to have pretty big presence in Senate.
Not much use for them in reps..
etarip wrote:@indo
“ if a party gets into power i think they deserve to be able to do what they think is best and what they got voted in to do, it's like Trump in USA, government's that get voted in need to be able to do the things they think are needed.”That’s not how parliamentary democracies are supposed to work mate. In the case of the US, for example, DJT won with less than half of the 2/3 of eligible voters in 2024. That’s not a ‘mandate’.
The role of the parliament / congress is to bring the representatives of the population to develop and implement policies and pass legislation that further the interests of the country. Unless you get an absolute majority - which is rare - the system is designed to require compromise to pass legislation etc. In some cases that might be through cooperation with the left, sometimes with the right.Newly elected governments of all persuasions like to claim a ‘mandate’ - but we should never accept a proclaimed mandate.
I can imagine the bleating from you (and others) if Labor embarked on as radical a process of policy implementation as Trump et al have done in the US, with the same level of disregard for law and process. It would be absolutely howled down. (As it should be).
Policies implemented which are within the law.
@etarip
I get that is the process, but at the same time, it sucks when a government cant do what it's voters voted it in to do, hence why id personally rather see a government be voted in as a majority like has happened, even if it's not my choice of government.
But yeah each to their own.
freeride76 wrote:"How much longer will CGT and NG hold out against a young mob who want in?"
Thats an interesting question.
Labor have just been voted back in via a landslide and have no policy prescription to change housing policy.
So, almost impossible to see them making any changes to CGT or NG in this term of Govt.I can't for the life of me, imagine a Universe where the LNP scraps those features- it would completely alienate their core constituency, whatever remains of it.
Overwhelmingly, Australians have voted for the Status Quo in this election.
We've had 3 years to look at Albo (and Labor policies) and most people seem to have reached a conclusion: Albo's alright, bit of a plodder, but basically a decent bloke who is OK for a pollie and won't do anything stupid or rash.
Steady as she goes - no major policy agenda and a few nice touchy/feely words to bring the country together.So, to answer the question, I can't see any potential for a shift in housing policy for a long, long time.
The Greens would be the only party with any potential to advocate for change and they've just been wiped out.
Teals are just Liberal-lite's who believe in climate change.
Teal voters don't want their investment homes whacked.
Housing is an interesting one re elections.
Read recently that the cohort of home owners is still way bigger than people wanting to get into the market.
They do not want to see the value of their homes decrease understandably, especially investors.
Fair? No. But it will take a lot of convincing for a politician to argue to this cohort that it is the best thing for country.
They are happy with the status quo, their wealth is dependent on it.
Think you will hear a lot of talk from both side of politics re housing, but no real changes as it would be electoral suicide.
Check the graphs of when this problem started, around 2000 when neg gearing and CGT were changed under Howard. They are the sacred cows that now cannot be touched. Bill found this out.
Immigration was still happening pre 2000.
Sure there are other factors, but I'd guess CGT and neg gearing the big ones.
A lot of young people will eventually inherit homes and wealth to help them (who will then want to keep status quo) the ones that don't really are in a tragic situation.
Yep nothing new here.... :/
indo-dreaming wrote:@etarip
I get that is the process, but at the same time, it sucks when a government cant do what it's voters voted it in to do, hence why id personally rather see a government be voted in as a majority like has happened, even if it's not my choice of government.
But yeah each to their own.
You think the American voters wanted their rights stripped away?
Agree 100% Andy-Mac.
With people living longer and the related costs, there's a lot of boomer inheritance homes that will be spent on their own EOL. Going to be some surprised / disappointed kids inheriting very little / nothing. I think the great boomer wealth transfer will be less / have less effect than generally thought.
Sprout wrote:With people living longer and the related costs, there's a lot of boomer inheritance homes that will be spent on their own EOL. Going to be some surprised / disappointed kids inheriting very little / nothing. I think the great boomer wealth transfer will be less / have less effect than generally thought.
Yep, all that, plus lots of Boomers out there SKIing on OS trips, cruises, and grey nomadery.
Read somewhere that Labor has progressed with "beige incrementalism" and I suspect that if they're to wade into housing it'll be with similar steps. Perhaps allowing NG on one property only? Tweaking CGT with a thin edge of the wedge?
I think it will be until the next time around if it happens. Heard some pundits saying that all Albo has to do is mention "workschoices" to his Caucus and those advocating for faster change will pull their heads in. This approach has just been vindicated by a significant election win. I like the phrase "beige incrementalism".
"CGT and neg gearing the big ones."
Franking credits is huge and growing biggest free hand out of government revenue there is, Howard again changed the rules from Keatings original purpose to end double taxation.
At the 2022 election I blocked/blacklisted every single text message phone number that Clive sent messages from, and didn't receive a single political txt from any party this election, but several people I know of still got bombarded with his BS texts. So as it turned out it was good to see Clive Palmer spend $60 million dollars and not win 1 HOR seat.
"Trumpet of Patriots, Palmer’s most recent political party, will not win a single lower house seat and, as of midday on Saturday, had only 1.85% of the national vote. Legalise Cannabis Australia, which spent just $6,200 on social media ads in the last 30 days and barely campaigned, has so far won 1.14% of the vote."
Then again $60mill is FA to that "fat motherfucker". Keep in mind that if I earned $100k per year I could (theoretically) become a millionaire in 10 years, but I would need to earn $100k for 10 000 years! to become a billionaire.
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Albanese has stated that he is a"reformer" and not a "revolutionary".
He refused to wade into any discussion about the impact of the, well, rorts that have disproportionately impacted housing in Australia since Howard and Costello introduced them in 2000.
It is a cop out and ignores a large number of Australians who are in dire straits as a result of real estate that is hugely overvalued. It is one thing to create a market structure that pushes prices up and up unendingly and out of whack with reality, but to leave behind and wallowing in poverty those that are not property owners is a disgrace.
Anglicare released figures during the campaign that showed that a mere handful of rental properties are affordable to benefit recipients like the unemployed or DSP recipients or pensioners in the entire country. There are working families that are living in cars because they cannot find affordable housing.
The ALP has offered nothing for those people. There are no rent protections on the table, benefits are still under a thousand dollars a month, people cannot afford to live in this country, many thousands, hundreds of thousands are being left behind, in poverty.
With the amount of wealth Australia, and the government has, that is unacceptable to me. Cruel in fact.
Unnecessary.
It is not the kind of Australia that I want to be a part of, the one that just says to those people, "fuck you, I'm alright, my house is going up a grand a week or month, you should....just suffer or(whatever)".
Albanese and the ALP just spit out bullshit about building more housing, more developments or policies that trap young people into the overpriced market. No solutions for the unaffordable rental market that gets dragged upwards with the ponzi growth in house prices.
No solutions, no help for the poor, or the working poor, but plenty for people to become property "investors" and own and negatively gear a dozen or more rental properties at ridiculous rents.
I didn't vote in this election, in part because of things like this, I can't find the motivation to support any party that is quite happy to leave behind large swathes of the population like that.
(Also because the waves were good on Saturday and I decided to just hang at the beach all arvo and get some of them, so they can fine me (good luck with that, send the fkn election Sheriff round first).
This country is way out of whack, particularly when it comes to the most basic of needs, housing, I don't want to be part of it when it just simply ignores it's most vulnerable like it does.
Fuck the ALP and the lot of them.
Gutless leadership.
Baby Gina might fix it
Changing Negative Gearing wont do much to enhance the supply side of housing. Keating restricted NG to one property only but withdrew that after two years under intense pressure. I suspect Labor may have another go at it but not in this term.
They still have the Bill to tax super balances at 30% for income earned on the balance exceeding $3million and the taxing of unrealised gains.
Taxing unrealised gains has met with hostile opposition but you have to ask why would you do it.
One of the last pieces of legislation passed by Howard in 2007 was to allow property to be included into SMSF’s. Not only property but businesses and farms, could be included as well.
While in accumulation phase all income is taxed at 15% but when a fund goes into Pension phase no tax is payable. So you can have a property increase in value over many years then when the SMSF goes into pension phase you can sell the property and no tax is payable, CGT free in other words.
As far as businesses and farms are concerned again no taxes are payable in pension phase. I see no reason why they should not be conducted under a conventional corporate structure and profits taxed appropriately.
These are simply Howard sanctioned tax avoidance schemes for the wealthy, which ultimately throws an increased burden on the PAYG taxpayer.
So taxing unrealised gains simply catches those who have been happily avoiding taxes for years.
If Labor can restructure our taxation system and increase revenue from our mineral exports there will be an opportunity to lower tax rates on PAYG taxpayers. If they can get the top marginal rates down to under 30 cents the advantages of negative gearing (outside of SMSF’s) will all but disappear.
Either way I would expect some extremely vocal opposition to any changes.
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adam12 wrote:Albanese has stated that he is a"reformer" and not a "revolutionary".
He refused to wade into any discussion about the impact of the, well, rorts that have disproportionately impacted housing in Australia since Howard and Costello introduced them in 2000.
It is a cop out and ignores a large number of Australians who are in dire straits as a result of real estate that is hugely overvalued. It is one thing to create a market structure that pushes prices up and up unendingly and out of whack with reality, but to leave behind and wallowing in poverty those that are not property owners is a disgrace.
Anglicare released figures during the campaign that showed that a mere handful of rental properties are affordable to benefit recipients like the unemployed or DSP recipients or pensioners in the entire country. There are working families that are living in cars because they cannot find affordable housing.
The ALP has offered nothing for those people. There are no rent protections on the table, benefits are still under a thousand dollars a month, people cannot afford to live in this country, many thousands, hundreds of thousands are being left behind, in poverty.
With the amount of wealth Australia, and the government has, that is unacceptable to me. Cruel in fact.
Unnecessary.
It is not the kind of Australia that I want to be a part of, the one that just says to those people, "fuck you, I'm alright, my house is going up a grand a week or month, you should....just suffer or(whatever)".
Albanese and the ALP just spit out bullshit about building more housing, more developments or policies that trap young people into the overpriced market. No solutions for the unaffordable rental market that gets dragged upwards with the ponzi growth in house prices.
No solutions, no help for the poor, or the working poor, but plenty for people to become property "investors" and own and negatively gear a dozen or more rental properties at ridiculous rents.
I didn't vote in this election, in part because of things like this, I can't find the motivation to support any party that is quite happy to leave behind large swathes of the population like that.
(Also because the waves were good on Saturday and I decided to just hang at the beach all arvo and get some of them, so they can fine me (good luck with that, send the fkn election Sheriff round first).This country is way out of whack, particularly when it comes to the most basic of needs, housing, I don't want to be part of it when it just simply ignores it's most vulnerable like it does.
Fuck the ALP and the lot of them.
Gutless leadership.
@adam12 , have you thought about renting your house out for a few years and traveling around indo on that money. Why not do it while you are still physically fit enough ? No good trying at say 70 , make the most of it now. FTW & just go surfing and enjoy yourself . By the time you get back you will be pension age . I understand you have family stuff going on but maybe think about putting Adam first and enjoy the years that you can still paddle out without feeling too tired to do anything . 
That’s a kind hearted post Supafreak, nice little sweetener at the end too
With all respect Adam im really surprised you didn't vote, you could have voted independent and had plenty of time to pre vote, i voted almost two weeks ago, you cant really complain about the direction the country is heading and politics if you dont have your say at the ballot box, all this shit in these forum's is irrelevant but your vote isn't every single vote counts
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indo-dreaming wrote:With all respect Adam im really surprised you didn't vote, you could have voted independent and had plenty of time to pre vote, i voted almost two weeks ago, you cant really complain about the direction the country is heading and politics if you dont have your say at the ballot box, all this shit in these forum's is irrelevant but your vote isn't every single vote counts
Yes good point Indo. I concur.
It truly is a privilege to be able to vote.
The cynic in me says yeah if voting changed things they would outlaw it, but no change can happen, and the government can shape the country.
Hawke/ Keating did.
Howard did....
Let's hope the Albo government can make the incremental change to improve the lives of the people that @adam has rightfully highlighted.
A Salty Dog wrote:Changing Negative Gearing wont do much to enhance the supply side of housing. Keating restricted NG to one property only but withdrew that after two years under intense pressure. I suspect Labor may have another go at it but not in this term.
I'd support a policy of negative gearing on new house builds only (so remove it for purchases of existing dwellings).
gs-co wrote:A Salty Dog wrote:Changing Negative Gearing wont do much to enhance the supply side of housing. Keating restricted NG to one property only but withdrew that after two years under intense pressure. I suspect Labor may have another go at it but not in this term.
I'd support a policy of negative gearing on new house builds only (so remove it for purchases of existing dwellings).
I was going to say that myself, that's a happy compromise
The whole housing thing though is super complex, there is so many factors involved and it's become an issue around most of the world in both developed and even developing countries.
I saw this the other day i think this is the most important factor, basic supply and demand.
That blue line should always be under the red line but hasn't been for 20 years other than Covid, but those covid times are a bit irrelevant in the trend.
Until this trend reverses thing's have no chance of changing
yes you can't dispute that data. It was around 2000 that Australia's immigration intake really started to take off above its longer term historical average.
And it was also around 2000 that they started to pump up Australia's money supply above its longer term historical growth trend, as measured in say M1:
Thank Howard for starting the rot ^^
and now none of them have the backbone to repair the damage done to the ordinary and young Australian
gs-co wrote:and now none of them have the backbone to repair the damage done to the ordinary and young Australian
We’ll see.
It looks as though Labor will pick up a few senate spots and will not need the support of the Independants to pass legislation.
All that is needed is for the Greens to act responsibly and not make any outrageous demands.
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24.58% of Adult Constituents boycotted Compulsory Voting & were never offered a say in outcome.
Despite representing the larger number of Constituents! None of us ever authorised being yer Slaves!
In other words no Govt can rule until a like minded majority can actually first present as a majority.
If every Vote counts then equally higher number of Constituents unable to Vote should equally count.
eg: tbb has never enrolled to vote but Qld Health equally prohibited tbb from Voting!
tbb was Chairperson & Secretary of Residential Body Corp & Qld Health struck me off Residential Roll.
My neighbours / Residents were informed : "tbb is not of sound mind to represent or Vote as an equal!"
No letter of Release permits tbb to again participate or stand as a candidate or vote in an Election!
Qld Health went further & mandated Driving Alertness Tests above that asked of the electorate!
tbb exempted his Covid Vax under the same restriction...not being of sound mind for emergency tasking!
Don't recall UN ever asking if we majority of aligned Oz Constituents even wished to be governed.
Just saying that in 2022 the democratic rights of majority of Oz constituents were never offered!
Pause!
Where else in Oz Democracy have any heard such...A Democratic failure at the heart of the matter!
Just exampling the lie that all live daily without ever once caring for Democratic Rights of Majority!
Minority Enrolled Govts ever decide majority fate...lets not pretend Compulsory AEC Democracy is fair!
Coz in this same 2022 Election a self appointed NatCab Orchestrated reduced AEC Voter Turnout!
We just humour these lesser VIP beings vote rorting their power trips to piss in each other's pockets!
Each day this VIP minority elect themselves to rule over the majority & we think & do as they say!
Call it what ya like...but it don't pass the pub test...not that any majority give a shit here or elsewhere.
In effect > A Mandated Single Vote counts for less than other Aussies...just that we majority don't care!
Lets not pretend it's some precious gift > just because precious VIPs bully a higher power over majority.
Coz most of us don't wish for yer fake Trumped Up Super Powers...Vote rigging ain't so Special!
All life is born to universal right > You can only Vote to deny Universal rights! All say Aye!
Can Vote as many times as ya like to deny Universal rights...how many lives do ya need to denounce?
Let's cut to the chase...
Just 0.02% of Life Force voted to destroy 99.98% of our unruly Planet for all the right reasons!
Can put that on a Hallmark Greeting Card if it makes ya feel Special...Yew!
@Indo, yeah I know. Failed my civic duty and probably no right to whinge if I don't participate. Actually I left the house on Saturday intending to do it, but stayed out in the water too long, waves were good and conditions perfect and had a local peak pretty much to myself, then got kinda stuck chatting to a mate at the beach I hadn't seen in a long time and then just said to myself "fuck it". Not much of an excuse I know, but democracy can survive without me this time round.
@Supa, thanks for the post and photo mate. The plans are in place to do what you suggest but can't pull the trigger just yet, my brother is full time carer for my 95 year old Dad up in the dirty city and I get to live at the beach so he gets the holidays (Noosa) each year and I couldn't and wouldn't just piss off overseas surfing for an extended trip on him while he needs me as backup (and cash cow sometimes) and there are other things that keep preventing the "Slob" tour from getting a start. But it's gonna happen, and I'm thinking it might just have to start at your place @Supa, looks like paradise, (so keep that Ghost of yours in good nick for me! ) (Just kidding @Supa...or am I ????)
Gina reckons it was left wing media bias and we should go full Trump.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/voters-left-media-to-blame-fo...
Edit: great waves all day on Saturday, Adam, I dont blame you for being out there all day. I voted early. Reckon Supa's idea is a goer.
The Liberals are mad if they don’t go with Susan Ley (out of the spruiked contenders)
A woman and moderate.
Is there any dirt on her? I don’t know.
Angus is too far to the right and like a bag of prawns in the sun. Hollie Hughes Liberal Senator (soon outgoing) seems to have an axe to grind against him but is squarely laying the blame on the loss to his complete lack of economic policy. WTF has he been doing the last three years as shadow treasurer?
Hastie has not put his hand up yet but reading media he’s not going to.
Jane Hume not interested from reports. She’s been credited with the return to work policy failure.
This will be interesting. Will they finally wake up to themselves.
edit. Dan Tehan. He’s as bland as cardboard. He’s not going to inspire anyone.
Big Gina should have a crack herself , someone should get in her ear and tell her if Trump can do it well then so can she , & JP for treasurer . Indo could be campaign manager .
Supafreak wrote:Big Gina should have a crack herself , someone should get in her ear and tell her if Trump can do it well then so can she , & JP for treasurer . Indo could be campaign manager .
And never be seen again.............I like the idea.
Supafreak wrote:Big Gina should have a crack herself , someone should get in her ear and tell her if Trump can do it well then so can she , & JP for treasurer . Indo could be campaign manager .
Haha that cracked me up.
Or she could do something with Clive??
They would make an handsome couple!
adam12 wrote:@Indo, yeah I know. Failed my civic duty and probably no right to whinge if I don't participate. Actually I left the house on Saturday intending to do it, but stayed out in the water too long, waves were good and conditions perfect and had a local peak pretty much to myself, then got kinda stuck chatting to a mate at the beach I hadn't seen in a long time and then just said to myself "fuck it". Not much of an excuse I know, but democracy can survive without me this time round.
@Supa, thanks for the post and photo mate. The plans are in place to do what you suggest but can't pull the trigger just yet, my brother is full time carer for my 95 year old Dad up in the dirty city and I get to live at the beach so he gets the holidays (Noosa) each year and I couldn't and wouldn't just piss off overseas surfing for an extended trip on him while he needs me as backup (and cash cow sometimes) and there are other things that keep preventing the "Slob" tour from getting a start. But it's gonna happen, and I'm thinking it might just have to start at your place @Supa, looks like paradise, (so keep that Ghost of yours in good nick for me! ) (Just kidding @Supa...or am I ????)
Put it on the “to do list”. I could think of not too many better things than plodding around Indo hangin’with SF, drinking’ binnies and surfing my brains out. Pretty much doing what SF is currently doing.
As soon as the kid turns 18……..
trump didn't have a pic displaying his inner soul to an aghast populous (primed to be aghast) like big gina does. as far as I know.. such a good painting. Trump just had people going 'ohmygawwwd.. reeallly..?'. Gina is a special event, what a farty dig-baby turdburger, as unique as trump in a nothing-is-new way, both dangling from the rafters and making money to impress an imaginary Christine.. or Cathy if you will.. standing in an empty house, swatting at ghosts.. imagining things will be better in their hearts if only they can impress somebody..
Supafreak wrote:Big Gina should have a crack herself , someone should get in her ear and tell her if Trump can do it well then so can she , & JP for treasurer . Indo could be campaign manager .
Supafreak. Hi mate. Hope ya well.
Well, I sure hope she has, because she acts like a female and looks like a female and we all know what’s downstairs.
It’s probably cavernous like some of her mining projects. It makes me feel sick just thinking about it. AW
Hot Gina won’t be getting a paternity test that is for sure.
Can one of her disgruntled kids do it?
Was old Lang’s dacks a bit loose when inspecting the helper’s quarters? Probably forgot to put his suspenders on.
Funny this is doing the rounds again, right now.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/may/05/woman-who-claims-...
Might as well put this up in the politics subforum, to spare the front page. It's 18 months away or so, but here we go.
This is how Dutton wins:
https://www.afr.com/politics/enter-the-liberal-party-working-class-heroe...