Continuing bog standard trade swell 'till Sun; great mix of swells early next week

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South East Queensland and Northern New South Wales Surf Forecast by Ben Matson (issued Wednesday 10th February)

Best Days: Average trade swell from Thurs thru' Sun. Unreal beachbreaks Mon/Tues with a combo of NE thru' E/SE swell and light winds, easing Wed. Lots of potential beyond Thurs too.

Recap: Wind affected, average surf on Tuesday as short range S/SE windswell built across the coast. The surf improved into today as the direction swung a little more to the SE, and winds veered S/SW in a few locations (mainly north of Byron, and south of Yamba). Surf size reached a bumpy peak in the 3-5ft range at exposed beaches in Far Northern NSW, but it was smaller north of the border and also south of Ballina. Overall, it’s been a little rough and ready but there were certainly some fun options about the coast this morning.

This week (Feb 11th - 12th)

There’s really no major trend expected for the next few days. The source of our current swell - a broad, but ultimately moderate strength ridge through the Northern Tasman Sea - is expected to remain relatively stationary over the coming days. 

We’ll see small periods of intensification within this fetch - in particular, I can see that a small trough embedded within this pattern may retrograde westwards later Thursday, to be just off the Far North Coast throughout Friday -  but it’s hard to be confident that we’ll see any major increase or decrease in surf size throughout this period. Especially when the tide seems to be playing an equally significant factor in the surf quality department anyway.

So, we’ll probably see things settle back a little from today, with surf size around 3ft+ across exposed beaches in Far Northern NSW, and slightly smaller surf south of Ballina (2-3ft), and north of the border (2ft, very occasionally 2-3ft). It'll be patchy on the points, especially around high water, but there should be plenty of small waves on offer. 

Local conditions look a little mixed for the next few days too. A persistent ridge through the Coral Sea will maintain moderate to fresh SE winds across SE Qld both days, though localised periods of light SW winds are possible early morning (probably just the southern Gold Coast). These winds will extend south to about Ballina, but south of Yamba we’re looking at more of a light and variable flow, tending moderate E/SE on Thursday and then SE on Friday.

Friday afternoon’s winds across Far Northern NSW and SE Qld are expected to ratchet up a notch or two in the afternoon as the offshore trough moves a little further to the coast - tightening the pressure gradient between it and the coastal ridge - so this will certainly confine the only rideable options after lunch to the southern outer points. Don’t expect much size across the inner points though.

This weekend (Feb 13th - 14th)

The weekend’s surf outlook almost mirrors that of the next few days. Which is, peaky mid range trade swell with fresh, gusty S/SE winds on Saturday becoming light and variable on Sunday.

Saturday’s airstream will be a litltle lighter across the Mid North Coast, but with only average surf on offer there won’t be much to get excited about.

As for size, let’s keep Saturday’s heights similar to Friday afternoon’s: 3ft+ at exposed beaches in Far Northern NSW, but 2-3ft across SE Qld and south of Ballina or Yamba.

Wave heights may ease a smidge into Sunday but conditions should be a lot better with the light winds. 

Next week (Feb 15th onwards)

Righto. These tropical developments discussed on Monday are throwing many a curveball.

First of all, we actually have two Tropical Cyclones to consider - one developing in the Coral Sea (a high chance it’ll be named by the BOM on Thursday), and another east of the Solomon Islands (moderate chance it’ll be named by RMSC NADI on Thursday or Friday).

At this stage the Coral Sea cyclone doesn’t look like it’s going to be a direct swell producer for us however its presence will assist in stabilising a supporting  ridge across the Northern Tasman Sea, which - in addition to any cyclone swell - will maintain useful trade swell across our coastline through the first half of next week.

The second tropical cyclone (west of the Solomons) is much bigger and broader, and has far greater swell potential. However, the latest model runs have sped up the second half of its southwards track, once it passes New Caledonian latitudes - and this is of concern. Whilst the synoptics look good in isolation, this particular track is not favourable for significant swell production as it is perpendicular to the Great Circle paths. 

Still, I think we’ll see some potentially useful groundswell from this system, originating from its position as it passes south of Fiji and just starts to enter our swell window (from behind the swell shadow of New Caledonia). Model guidance is reasonably consistent in there being a reasonable NE fetch around the eastern flank of this system, and its forward speed at that point is not too detrimental to swell production for the Australian East Coast.

However, the fetch looks like it’ll be aimed mainly towards southern NSW regions, so I am concerned as to how much size we might see in SE Qld from this episode. So, I'll need to revise this thinking in the coming days. 

The leading edge of this (E/NE, maybe even NE) swell is due on Monday, and should build throughout the day ahead of peak on Tuesday. But we’ll concurrently see a bigger, building E/SE swell, originating from the southern flank of this system as it ridges up against a broad high to the south. So we’re looking at a peaky mix of swells in the water - this should favour the open beach breaks nicely. 

And the good news for this is that we’re expecting relatively light winds around this time, with a weak trough moving through that probably won’t cause too many problems. Winds may turn a little funky at times, but we’re certainly not looking at a driving ridge of sou'easters - so the beach breaks should really be quite optimal throughout this swell event.

As for size - I’m aiming for somewhere in the 3-5ft range across much of Northern NSW at the height of the swell on Tuesday, with 3-4ft surf in SE Qld (a little smaller to begin with early Monday, but building steadily all day). Of the two swells, I am expecting the E/SE to be the dominant component, with the NE energy being much smaller and less consistent. 

This event will then ease slowly through Wednesday.

Looking further ahead and there are dynamic suggestions for a deep Tasman Low developing early next week, which may lead to a strong south swell mid-late week - but it’s way too early to have any confidence on this, especially with several (yet to develop) cyclones in the mid-term progs too. Let’s revise all of this in Friday’s notes. 

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thermalben Wednesday, 10 Feb 2016 at 6:22pm

I really like the look of Monday and Tuesday at this stage. Nothing huge, but it's been a while since we've had light winds and a peaky swell combo on hand for the beachies.

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mcsc Wednesday, 10 Feb 2016 at 6:36pm

Amen to that

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no-eye-deer Wednesday, 10 Feb 2016 at 8:26pm

Here's hoping there are some banks around to make the most of Monday and Tuesday's conditions. I'm starting to get pretty psyched on this forecast!

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linez Wednesday, 10 Feb 2016 at 7:51pm

Up on the sunny coast with the family since Sunday, bad timing for wind...

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NickT Wednesday, 10 Feb 2016 at 10:19pm

Might have to book some leave in. Ben, out of Monday and Tuesday which would you book to take off?

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thermalben Thursday, 11 Feb 2016 at 7:53am

Shit, a little bigger and stronger than expected this morning, solid 4ft sets on the Tweed this morning, maybe the odd bigger one. Way more consistent too.

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surfiebum Thursday, 11 Feb 2016 at 8:22am

Best it's been all week on the sc too, only 2-3ft but a bit more push behind it

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freeride76 Thursday, 11 Feb 2016 at 9:37am

yeah, started muscling up late yesterday evening. Way more to it today.

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batfink Thursday, 11 Feb 2016 at 10:27am

Cheers Ben, much clearer on the discussion of 'flanks' from this update.

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thermalben Thursday, 11 Feb 2016 at 10:55am

As you mentioned in the other comments BF, its more northerly position also assisted (relative to the surf regions discussed).

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yocal Thursday, 11 Feb 2016 at 11:03am

This morning's model run looks a little better in terms of longevity of swell from the easternmost cyclone, seems to bounce off the high pressure system over NZ and stay in the swell window for a little longer!

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donweather Thursday, 11 Feb 2016 at 11:22am

JWTC interesting forecast discussion for both systems this morning. Fairly confident on SE track of eastern TC with no ET (ie I believe they're favouring the EC model). They're fairly uncertain about the track of the western TC (again EC is also uncertain with bouncing around each run in terms of intensity and location).

Eastern one is expected to rapidly intensify but she's so compact and rapidly moves away to the SE after pushing down past New Cal. I'm not seeing anything significant for SE Qld from this girl......until she stalls on top of the high over near NZ.....then we could be game on!!!

BOM not interested in the eastern low....well in terms of it posing a threat to Qld....which is a little surprising given the latest EC run does have it moving westwards.

"A tropical low situated over the central Coral Sea is gradually intensifying while moving in a general eastwards direction. The low is expected to continue moving in this direction over the next couple of days and is rated a high chance of forming into tropical cyclone before exiting the region on Friday.

The low is expected to remain well offshore and does not pose a threat to the Queensland coast."

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freeride76 Thursday, 11 Feb 2016 at 11:53am

whats your gut feeling Don?

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donweather Thursday, 11 Feb 2016 at 1:23pm

My gut feeling is I don't think we'll see much swell from either TC....maybe 3-4ft early-mid next week. I'm liking the look of the long range EC charts more so once that ex TC stalls on the northern flank of the NZ high......that setup looks a lot more tasty to me. But still along way off and these two TC close together will most certainly throw the models some curve balls.

By "we" above in my surf heights I'm referring to SE Qld. Locations further south of us look to be the better benefactor from the TC east of New Cal.

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the chase Thursday, 11 Feb 2016 at 1:48pm

Thats not the answer i was hoping for Don.

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donweather Thursday, 11 Feb 2016 at 1:50pm

Don't shoot the messenger!!!

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kaiser Thursday, 11 Feb 2016 at 2:27pm

No offence at all Ben, but an overcall last week, and an undercall today. The duel continues, but at this stage Huey has the upper hand...

Still really value your forecasts, so don't take it the wrong way. Probably shows that the deeper you go into the detail, the more you risk a surprise for the better or worse

PS. Keep the undercalls coming

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thermalben Thursday, 11 Feb 2016 at 2:41pm

All good mate - I'm pretty pleased with the forecasting run I've had this season, but there'll always be niggly periods. That's what keeps me on my toes :) I love the feedback and banter though, and am usually the first to point out when I get it wrong! (though, last week's overcall was tempered by the fact that Swellnet didn't issue a major swell alert for an ECL...).

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kaiser Thursday, 11 Feb 2016 at 2:55pm

Actually I'm always amazed at how you guys can judge size so consistently accurate. Even the buoy readings in the last couple of weeks have given the impression there should be more swell in the water. Wave direction and period are definitely deciding factors, not just Hsig (speaking from the perspective of a layman such as me).

If the guys who have a whole contest, scaffold, OB and webcast hanging on their call can't get it right, you're entitled to a bit of latitude

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donweather Thursday, 11 Feb 2016 at 6:38pm

Hello Mr Winston!!!

JWTC going with what looks to be much more intense Winston compared with Fiji Met's latest intensity forecast (Cat 2 only??)

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the chase Thursday, 11 Feb 2016 at 7:01pm

And Tc Tatiana also on board.

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Hastoes Thursday, 11 Feb 2016 at 7:39pm

Hey ben or anyone who can see what i can't , regarding next Monday and Tuesdays forecast , had a look on windyty.com , willyweather and bom , they all suggest that the winds will be "a driving ridge of sou'easters" which suggest to me the beach breaks won't really be quite optimal throughout this swell event. Whats your thoughts ?

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thermalben Thursday, 11 Feb 2016 at 8:00pm

Well, our model has light winds. Let's wait and see what happens, eh?

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Hastoes Thursday, 11 Feb 2016 at 8:18pm

Im remaining optimistic mate , I'm defiantly the first to admit, I'm a bloody novice at reading these charts . Gotta love a good uncrowded beachy on a monday tuesday !!!! Is there a more reliable wind forecast website you could recommend ?

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thermalben Thursday, 11 Feb 2016 at 8:23pm
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Hastoes Thursday, 11 Feb 2016 at 8:34pm

haha , nice one . Ive re- read the swellnet wind forecast . It says SE winds at 9kts 6am, 11kts by 12 , Not strong by any means but i don't think the direction is optimum for the open beaches, maybe inside protected points . Hope I'm wrong.

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thermalben Thursday, 11 Feb 2016 at 8:38pm

~10kts is considered light, and the trend from Mon thru' We'd suggests variable, much different to a 'driving ridge' (which is more apparent in the wind outlook Fri and Sat).

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Hastoes Thursday, 11 Feb 2016 at 8:49pm

OK, its just that when i looked at all these different sites yesterday they all suggested, as did swellnet, an offshore airflow early on Monday and Tuesday , with light variable winds in and around 5knts close into the coastline. But today when i checked all the sites after work they are suggesting otherwise.http://www.bom.gov.au/fwo/IDY00061/IDYAR005.qld2.20160211_0900.png

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freeride76 Thursday, 11 Feb 2016 at 7:48pm

Maybe Winston might linger longer.

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Sheepdog Thursday, 11 Feb 2016 at 11:48pm

Kirra swell.... Solid pulse.. Active sea state... Swell from distant low into closer low.... Expect some freaks... Double ups.. Actual power... That sort of "whip cracking" grunt peculiar to NNSW/QLD when it does crank...

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the chase Friday, 12 Feb 2016 at 12:44am

Stop with all the nonsense is it going to be pumping or not sheepy? know one asked about you day dreaming about kirra. Hahahaha

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donweather Friday, 12 Feb 2016 at 7:55am

Good morning Tatiana!!!

Latest EC track and intensity for her is looking a lot better IMO.

And long range EC has winston doing the loop Dee loop and coming back with avengence!!

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the chase Friday, 12 Feb 2016 at 9:39am

Sure does Don Tatiana looks to swing back towards the coast.

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staitey Friday, 12 Feb 2016 at 10:47am

Still some 4 footers this morning on tweed. Good fun

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donweather Friday, 12 Feb 2016 at 2:52pm

Wow, I just ran some numbers from Tatiana and Winston.......complex forecast for you Ben.....can't wait to read it this arvo!!!

No pressure!!! ;)

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Sheepdog Friday, 12 Feb 2016 at 2:55pm

Chase.... yes.... it's gonna pump..... in fact, it may pump for ever ,,,, ever,,,,, ever,,,, ever,,,,

(That was an echo btw bahahahahaha)

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fitzroy-21 Friday, 12 Feb 2016 at 3:12pm

From what I'm seeing, Winston is going to hook out toward Tonga once it reaches the bottom of Noumea, whereas Tatiana will just run parallel down the coast albeit at a comfortable distance. Obviously we will see some swell from her, but I can't see any high that will slow her or cradle her to send some real juice. Am I missing some small intricacies here?

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Sheepdog Friday, 12 Feb 2016 at 5:48pm

Active sea state, and close proximity/movement of Tatiana, fitz

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alsurf Friday, 12 Feb 2016 at 5:51pm

Why don't you post those numbers don

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Sheepdog Friday, 12 Feb 2016 at 6:08pm

If tats keeps going as planned, my best guess would be double ups late sunday evening... 6 foot with bigger bombs monday morning via Tat's.... 12, maybe 13 seconds.....

Wind outlook totally prime for the points....

Also the Bundy boys might get a few over the weekend too!!

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fitzroy-21 Friday, 12 Feb 2016 at 6:32pm

I hope your right SD. I only need the winds to behave for where I want to be as the tides are spot on.

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thermalben Friday, 12 Feb 2016 at 6:09pm