Bog standard trade swell all week; possible cyclone swell late Sunday onwards

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Ben Matson (thermalben)

South East Queensland and Northern New South Wales Surf Forecast by Ben Matson (issued Monday 8th February)

Best Days: Most days should have OK waves across the points, Wed the biggest but Thurs and Fri probably the next best as local winds should relax a little. Late Sun onwards: standby for some possible E/NE cyclone swell. 

Recap: Plenty of waves over the last few days but the power settings seemed to be a couple of notches below expectations and wave heights struggled to reach the forecast size range. The Gold Coast peaked on Sunday with set waves around the 3ft mark, and south of the border exposed south facing beaches managed 4-6ft waves at times with smaller surf elsewhere, but driving rain and gusty southerlies certainly took the sheen off things. Today we’ve seen abating swells with early SW tending S’ly winds and 2-3ft surf across open SE Qld stretches, and 4-5ft sets south of Byron.  

Next week (Feb 9th - 12th)

The forecast for this week’s renewal of S/SE tending SE swell has been downgraded.

We’re still expecting the same synoptic pattern - a redeveloping Tasman Low to the north-west of New Zealand, with a reasonable north-west track towards our coast - but core wind speeds have been throttled back in the latest model runs.

And that was the primary reason behind the weekend’s weaker-than-expected surf. Core wind speeds ended up falling just below model guidance, so the resulting surf wasn’t quite as big and definitely nowhere near as punchy as we’ve come to expect so far this (excellent) swell season. So I'm going to put these observations into the outlook for the next few days and readjust accordingly. 

We’re looking at two individual components contributing to this week’s increase. Initially, some short range S/SE swell associated with a restrengthening ridge across the coast. This will mainly favour south facing beaches south of the border (with limited quality) and will consequently build during Tuesday.

A slightly better quality SE increase originating from the redeveloped Tasman Low itself will then overlap the pre-existing energy on Wednesday - peaking in the afternoon - and will favour SE Qld to a greater degree. So if you’re north of the border, Wednesday looks like a better bet than Tuesday

We should see a peak on Wednesday around 4-5ft across exposed beaches in Northern NSW, and 3ft+ across the Gold and Sunshine Coasts, with smaller waves running down the various points. Expect smaller surf on Tuesday, and a larger difference in size between locations north and south of Byron Bay due to the greater southerly component in the swell direction. 

As for winds, they'll be gusty from the S/SE both days north of about Coffs Harbour, so there won’t be much difference in quality. A few select locations will see early sou’westers but this will probably be confined to the southern Gold Coast. 

South of Coffs we’re looking at gusty S/SE winds on Tuesday but might lighter and more variable winds on Wednesday, especially in the far south towards Seal Rocks. So Wednesday looks like the pick here too.

From Thursday onwards, we should see plenty of user-friendly trade swell, thanks to a slowly easing but steady E/SE fetch through the northern Tasman Sea from Wednesday onwards. This should maintain 3-4ft surf south of Byron Bay, and 2-3ft surf north of the border both days, with mainly light morning SW winds - in more locations than earlier in the week - tending moderate to fresh S/SE throughout the days.

Fairly bog-standard summer patterns, really. Lots of fun in general and with decent wave counts too. 

This weekend and beyond (Feb 13th - 14th and next week)

At this stage, most of Saturday and at least the first half of Sunday are expected to see a continuation of Thursday and Friday’s routine trade swells, somewhere either side of 3ft depending on your beach and its exposure. 

But I know your attention is elsewhere in the swell window, so let’s crack on and get straight to the point. 

A Tropical Low out near the Solomon Islands is expected to deepen rapidly over the coming days, reaching Tropical Cyclone strength before pinballing its way between Vanuatu and Fiji, and then dropping into our eastern swell window by around Friday, at considerable strength (looks Cat 4/5 ish at the moment, though it's very early days).

At this stage the long range model predictions are seriously enticing - suggesting an incredible, large long range E/NE cyclone swell arriving later Sunday or Monday - but we need to give the models a few days to work out what’s going on. At the moment there are some positives and negatives in the model guidance but overall I’m confidence that we’ll see a decent swell event across our coast.

The reason being is that the early stages of this development also has supporting features where it counts the most: a supporting ridge of high pressure in the Tasman Sea, and also a secondary low pressure system in the Coral Sea, contained with an expansive trough. Sometimes we see steering ridges push from this region a little too early in the cycle, which can shunt a cyclone rapidly through the swell window and limit its potential. 

But in this case it looks like the cyclone will move more slowly as it rounds the swell shadow of New Caledonia, which is a very important region for swell production as it’s close to the ocean/atmospheric boundary where these systems turn extra-tropical. If we can get a day or two of swell from this part of the cyclone - which GFS is suggesting its eastern flank (aimed towards us) will see the strongest activity - then we’re at least setting up an active ocean state that be further worked upon in later days. 

So right now, it’s worth pencilling out Sunday afternoon (in case of an early arrival) plus Monday and Tuesday for some strong long period E/NE swell originating from the Tropical South Pacific. 

What a good year it’s been, eh?

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thermalben Monday, 8 Feb 2016 at 6:32pm

Onwards and upwards. We had a week off thanks to the northerlies, now it's back on the horse with fun (if not potentially fantastic) surf as far as the eye can see.

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Taco Monday, 8 Feb 2016 at 6:43pm

Any idea what its name will be ben?

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udo Monday, 8 Feb 2016 at 6:50pm

Fiji met will name it.

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Taco Monday, 8 Feb 2016 at 7:35pm

Ah yeah ok cheers udo.where exactly are the borders concerning that do you know?. If it forms of the solomons is that fiji met waters?.Fuck i love this time of year,gets the froth juices flowing when you spy an early rotation in the coral sea or south pacific

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Craig Tuesday, 9 Feb 2016 at 12:53pm

The boundary is 160E so just west of New Cal.

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Roystein Monday, 8 Feb 2016 at 10:46pm

This year we have had plenty of surf when we would generally assume we might not get much due to the El Niño conditions, which are still strong. Would it be accurate to say we are seeing something that statistically is unlikely? gee weather is complex...

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thermalben Tuesday, 9 Feb 2016 at 12:50pm

I've never subscribed to the theory that El Nino produces bad surf years (East Coast) or that La Nina produces good surf years.

It's been bandied about elsewhere, but there's no hard evidence to support such a theory (as there is in the North Pacific). 

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mcsc Tuesday, 9 Feb 2016 at 2:25pm

So what factors are most likely to create a cracking good East Coast surf year?

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thermalben Tuesday, 9 Feb 2016 at 2:27pm

I don't know. I'm not aware of anyone who does, either.

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mcsc Tuesday, 9 Feb 2016 at 3:04pm

What's the evidence that El Nino makes great surf years in North Pacific? Based on buoy data?

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Craig Tuesday, 9 Feb 2016 at 3:45pm

I think La Nina preps the surrounding Coral Sea with warmer than normal waters, increased tropical activity and also the flow on into autumn and winter with the warmer waters flowing down the East Coast, combining with the cold air brought up from Southern Ocean cold fronts resulting in deep low pressure systems and troughs.

2011 was a strong La Nina and there was back to back to back large E/NE to NE swells as intense lows/troughs drifted down the East Coast from north.

This chart here also shows increased swell activity in La Nina compared to El Nino.. https://www.swellnet.com/news/swellnet-analysis/2015/08/05/el-nino-and-australian-swell-patterns

I think with a strong El Nino though is that we get these more distant swell sources occuring more often from the Western South Pacific Ocean with the warmer water sitting in that region. As seen with the last few tropical lows/cyclones forming and drifting south towards NZ instead of closer in the Coral Sea..

More studies need to be taken though, as this has been the best start to summer around Sydney in a few years.

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Roystein Tuesday, 9 Feb 2016 at 7:32pm

This is what I was alluding too, in strong Nina years we have a higher chance of tropical cyclone formation and hence chance of swell producing storms. However as has been discussed, these don't always translate into quality swells. So my point trying to be a bit clearer is that this is an unlikley year in that 1) we have had a number (3-4?) of tropical cyclones already form in our window during strong El Niño and 2) it looks like two high quality cyclone swells (and feb isn't over yet).

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freeride76 Tuesday, 9 Feb 2016 at 8:11pm

La Nina = greater chance of cyclogenesis in Coral Sea.
El Nino = greater chance in South Pac.

South Pac cyclones by and large have greater surf potential imo.

I think also whether you are moving into or out of a particular ENSO phase is important. Winter of 2007 (7 ECL's) we were moving out of a long series of El Nino's and quasi El Nino's into a weak La Nina. The breakdown of that Nino seemed to liberate tremendous amounts of energy.
Likewise now, I think even though we are at the peak of a strong El Nino we are probably transitioning back to a neutral phase at the least.

For this coast I much prefer a Nino or quasi Nino. More S swells in winter and not so many close range bank busting Coral Sea storms.

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Craig Tuesday, 9 Feb 2016 at 9:49pm

Yep, totally. Although El Nino sucked down here last autumn/winter, too many average south swells and nothing from the east.

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groovie Tuesday, 9 Feb 2016 at 12:43pm

Ok Ben so we are lookin good for early nxt week! hopefully the winds will be good for the Mid nth coast to finally get some of the sleeping giants goin!

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Sheepdog Tuesday, 9 Feb 2016 at 2:31pm

This double tropical low set up is looking super dooper tasty all the way to east coast tassie......
But this is when I despair at the sandpumping.... This is the sort of set up when old kirra, real kirra, used to shine... I also believe that Burleigh is a shadow of its former self thanks to the super crowded bank..... Yes there will be some great waves at Snapper.... But fuck, Goldy circa 94' would be frothing at the upcoming swell......

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freeride76 Tuesday, 9 Feb 2016 at 3:22pm

I'm not as pumped on it now.....looks like it races through the swell window at the crucial time.
There'll be waves, but maybe not the Sose style clean 10-12ft surf.

SD, the mail is the extension of Kirra big groyne has well and truly put Kirra back in thr frame. Good as the "old" days? we'll see on this swell. Haven't had a Kirra swell yet this year. Not a proper one.

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Sheepdog Tuesday, 9 Feb 2016 at 4:09pm

Should be a good pinch of ene in this swell...

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Sheepdog Tuesday, 9 Feb 2016 at 4:15pm

AccessG has the eastern low sucking into the closer low.... That's a lot of westward energy.... If that happens, there will be one serious pulse..
http://www.eldersweather.com.au/models/?mt=accessg&mc=mslp

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Craig Tuesday, 9 Feb 2016 at 4:52pm

Latest GFS has the cyclone in Aus's jurisdiction forming before the tropical low to the east, and stronger..

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Sheepdog Tuesday, 9 Feb 2016 at 5:31pm

Hmmmm... Won't mention my gut feeling... The usual suspects will just want to argue bahahahaha... ;)

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wellymon Tuesday, 9 Feb 2016 at 6:58pm

You can't argue with you Sheepio. Whats the point?
Because at the moment the forest is so alive and absolutely pumping.
Stuff that we have seen lately, would make you move to the South Coast in a god damn hurry;)

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the chase Wednesday, 10 Feb 2016 at 12:26am

As a wise man once said time will tell. If the star line up be game on boys.

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freeride76 Wednesday, 10 Feb 2016 at 6:48am

looks to race through the swell window.

is it blasphemous to suggest the following system in the Tasman is more xciting?

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donweather Wednesday, 10 Feb 2016 at 10:28am

Yep and way too compact to have any real swell impact.

But bugger me, if that long range EC comes off with the ex TC and cradling low, along with the W'ly retrograde of the low on the top of the high.........feck, now I'm getting excited!!!

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Sheepdog Wednesday, 10 Feb 2016 at 11:51am

Are we talking about the NZ set up 17th/18th feb? Yep... Exactly..... So it's win win.... gfs - Good pulse of ene, then a few days later a gusty long period se swell.... Acc/g - longer duration of e - ene swell....

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Sheepdog Wednesday, 10 Feb 2016 at 11:57am

This is one of several possible longer term scenarios..

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donweather Wednesday, 10 Feb 2016 at 12:32pm

I was referring to the EC charts.

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batfink Wednesday, 10 Feb 2016 at 5:40pm

I like those charts sheepdog as they give us so much of the weather in our swell window. God bless the internet. Used to annoy me no end only getting the BOM charts which cut out prior to NZ to our east and not very far south, and you would get regular ghost swells and wonder where they came from.

That is one macking piece of swell generator, and looks even better for about 24 hours next week on the latest runs, but is too far out to give it much credence.

Will certainly be interesting though. I know a few beaches that could do with some serious sand movement.

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thermalben Wednesday, 10 Feb 2016 at 7:06am

Looking good at Snapper this morning.




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thermalben Wednesday, 10 Feb 2016 at 11:53am

Fun waves on the Tweed this morning, but far out, it was bloody fat with the high tide. Scored some nice runners though; hard to pick but they're out there. 

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the chase Wednesday, 10 Feb 2016 at 12:33pm

So many variables with this hole setup off these systems anything could happen.

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donweather Wednesday, 10 Feb 2016 at 1:45pm

JWTC putting money on the one west of New Cal to form into a cyclone first.

http://www.usno.navy.mil/NOOC/nmfc-ph/RSS/jtwc/ab/abpwweb.txt

If this happens and she gets some momentum, who knows how this will then affect the formation and intensity of the 2nd one east of New Cal?

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Craig Wednesday, 10 Feb 2016 at 1:50pm

Very interesting!

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donweather Wednesday, 10 Feb 2016 at 1:58pm

That's exactly what I thought also Craig!!!

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Sheepdog Wednesday, 10 Feb 2016 at 2:53pm

Yesterday - "AccessG has the eastern low sucking into the closer low.... That's a lot of westward energy.... If that happens, there will be one serious pulse.."

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freeride76 Wednesday, 10 Feb 2016 at 3:04pm

this swell continues to underachieve. very weak and incon 2ft.

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thermalben Wednesday, 10 Feb 2016 at 3:28pm

2ft? Today? Surfed a point on the Tweed Coast this morning, and there were occ 4ft sets.

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freeride76 Wednesday, 10 Feb 2016 at 4:39pm

well 2ft might be a bit harsh. surfed for about an hour on the mid-tide this arve and there might have been 3 3 foot waves break. The power was way down.

Deffo more to it north of the Cape.

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batfink Wednesday, 10 Feb 2016 at 4:58pm

"which GFS is suggesting its eastern flank (aimed towards us) "

Been meaning to ask you about this reference Ben. A similar comment was made in the forecasts for the Hunter to Illawarra forecasts the other day, just assumed it was a typo.

What are you referring to when you say the eastern flank. When I look at a low, the eastern flank is blowing north/south, the southern flank blowing east/west.

I am wondering what is meant by this terminology, when the north to south winds on the eastern flank of the system are sending swells roughly parallel to the coast, not in our direction.

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thermalben Wednesday, 10 Feb 2016 at 5:13pm

Wind distribution around a low is never linear. It always favours one particular flank (usually, which ever one is aimed away from our coast!).

However the eastern and south-eastern flanks of this particular system displayed - in Monday's model runs at least - a broad fetch of E/NE gales, which is not very common, and was certainly very promising from a swell generation perspective. 

Things are moving around with each successive model run - I'm doing Wednesday notes now, they'll be up soon.

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batfink Wednesday, 10 Feb 2016 at 5:35pm

"Wind distribution around a low is never linear".

Sure, that's a given. Just suggesting that the flank that will send us swell (aimed towards us) will generally be the south eastern and southern flanks, pointing as they do towards our coastline.

So trying to understand that phrase. Perhaps you were referring to earlier positioning of the low, (more to the north) in which case I can understand.

Just trying to understand what you are saying.

Cheers

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poo-man Wednesday, 10 Feb 2016 at 10:15pm

Mon Tues next week looks like upper North Island going to get hammered. It's being reported in the news in NZ now