Surfers Petition Against the Mid-Year Cut - Wozzle Replies

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Swellnet Dispatch

Much as they did in 2012, when the first version of the mid-year cut was introduced, tour surfers on the wrong side of the line are grumbling.

However, unlike 2012 said surfers are mobilising; banding together to form a bloc and petition the Woz with collective aggrievement.

Yesterday in his post-heat presser, Jordy Smith let slip there was something happening behind the scenes when he cast doubt on appearing at Margs.

“There’s a lot of chatting between the surfers’ groups about what’s going on at the moment with the cut and everything, so I’ll just wait to see what comes of that…"

That chat crystallised into a thirty-strong petition of men and women - all who currently occupy real estate below the cut line - voicing their concern to the Woz. The petition was originally published by Stab and can be read in full here.

Yet the story doesn't end there.

Erik Logan gave an unequivocal reply to said surfers, which should leave them in no question about where they stand. That message can be read here.

No doubt the 'Make of Break' producers are relishing the tension.

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thermalben Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 7:24am

So, Stab did a story yesterday, and spoke to Conner Coffin (https://swllnt.com/3EjbTd5):

Stab wrote:

“It felt kinda unnecessary to run this really important round of the mid-year cut in waves like this…” Conner Coffin said after his equal 33rd finish. “It’s a bummer… It sucks.” Conner went into Bells tied for 18th place with four other surfers.

Yet, when the was Mid Season Cut was announced in August last year, Conner was the WSL Surfers Rep who provided a quote for the press release (https://swllnt.com/3Ed8rRg):

WSL press release wrote:

“With the new mid-season cut, every event counts,” said WSL Surfers Representative, Conner Coffin. “The fact that someone could lose their place on tour after five events really ups the stakes and is going to push everyone to surf really hard.”

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thermalben Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 2:03pm

Just re-read the petition, and although I'm not sure who wrote the document (on behalf of the surfers), Conner Coffin's name is at the top of the list.

As such, this sentence contained within appears to be at odds with the quote (above) from Stab in the last few days (I presume taken after his Elimination Round loss in bumpy surf on Tuesday):

"We have tried to help by finding solutions to save money and run events faster..... and surfing rounds 1 and 2 in poor conditions at most events so that the events can finish
sooner".

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wax-on-danielson Monday, 18 Apr 2022 at 7:51pm

Sounds like they might be getting a new rep

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wingnut2443 Saturday, 16 Apr 2022 at 10:22am

Perspectives change with reality.

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cnevster Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 7:56am

Clearly the idea of the cut line is great, until you’re on the wrong side of it.

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john.callahan Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 10:32am

Yep, exactly - rather conspicuous Ke12y didn't sign the petition.

The surfers have known about this change in format since last year, but only now are mobilising to oppose it?

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mike.logan Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 8:20am

When a 40 year old has been, can eliminate the No 1 in the round of 32 it shows just how unpredictable surfing is. The cut off is just too harsh.

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Surfalot67 Saturday, 16 Apr 2022 at 6:50am

“Has been”??? STFU

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mike.logan Saturday, 16 Apr 2022 at 8:00am

ROTFPML !! Knew someone would bite. My point was a 40 year old blow in can knock out the current no1 in the round of 32. It is bloody hard enough on the tour now without stupid rules like this. Surfalot since 63.

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simba Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 8:20am

sounds like the boys didn't think it thru

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rob tas Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 8:29am

WSL reasoning in their statement are sadly 100% focused on their 'business' and not the surfers. The reasons they list for not contemplating any change to the format are all based on sponsors, marketing, contracts, govt funding deals, social media hits and engagement. and zero interest in surfer/ people issues... shame.

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Tristan Goose Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 8:55am

Surprising / disappointing to see Tyler not sign the petition. Thought with all the identity politics campaigning she would also stand with the surfing union - but I guess the ladder/class interests got in the way

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AndyM Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 1:00pm

Why bother to address class issues when you’ve got identity politics??

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velocityjohnno Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 4:10pm

Look, a squirrel!

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Itsmemickyb Sunday, 17 Apr 2022 at 6:01pm

a squirrel hahaha
bells was underwhelming anyway except for 4 or 5 guys(one of them retired from comps), these cut offs might be good

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campbell Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 9:16am

Fantastic idea ! All Pro surfers should boycott Marg's (maybe forever) Margarets locals stand with you in solidarity !
Vote in the street , vote on your feet
Boycott Marg's !
Fuck the wsl

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C Jones Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 10:04am

Hahahaha, ....GOLD !

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mike oxhard Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 5:42pm

I reckon everyone should quit surfing in protest (except me)

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burleigh Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 9:18am

Play stupid games win stupid prizes hey Connor.

Mid year cut is good if the right surfers are still there.

Can we just hand pick surfers instead? haha

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Gra Murdoch Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 9:55am

I'm just impressed by Elo's signature. What did he use, a quill pen?

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zenagain Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 10:03am

Said that yesterday, in lieu of crayons I reckon they should bring back the quill.

No need to ever ask if anyone has a biro- just grab a handy goose or swan and you're good to go.

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velocityjohnno Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 4:11pm

And all official correspondence must be written in gothic script.

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mugofsunshine Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 11:05am

Dipped in his own blue blood?

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tango Tuesday, 19 Apr 2022 at 2:19pm

I'm sure a psychologist could have a picnic with it....and centred to boot.

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mugofsunshine Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 11:22am

Yet again the cynic in me that keeps catching glimpses of the boom mic.....

Season one of Drive to survive was a real eye opener and it was clear the protagonists were not playing any version of themselves that they wished to see on the screen. By season 4 you can see that happening, dropping zingers here and there and honing their passive aggression into much less subtle accoutrements. Elo, I feel, wants to skip season one and get straight to the daggers.

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radiationrules Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 11:28am

Given the "tour" has been a financial failure from day one; surviving on sponsorship without measurement and government grants ( u ever seen a government capable of measurement?) surely the current owners are entitled to run it any way they like? After all their motivation is profit, ROI - not art. Sorry if that's too realistic.

My advice to the dissident surfers is go to the meeting, agree (get them to document) their (investor/manager's) points of measurement over the next 3 years, and get to the table of negotiation for 3 years so you get to undertstand what they are trying to achieve - by comparison, it seems childish to me to bite the handoff that feeds you mid-tour - to an idea that you all supported last year? Pretty embarrassing for so-called pros to behave this way IMO.

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matt.evans Saturday, 16 Apr 2022 at 9:36am

Good points there. Expecting the WSL to be anything but a business is like expecting a snake to sun like an osterich. Now, if the dissenting surfers have a better idea for event format or a whole tour vision, they could display it and hope for support from the public.
Right now, though, it seems like those surfers don't have an idea for something better.

I also think it's a bit naive to ask for this right now. 1/2 way into the season, they can't really change anything.

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Clive Rodell Monday, 25 Apr 2022 at 5:57pm

You raise some pertinent points. However most Athletes, in most sports, get a full season to compete to allow for injury etc.

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eel Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 12:42pm

Fuck pro surfers are entitled pricks. They under perform and think they are entitled to stay on tour when every single one of them knew about the mid season cut in about 8 months ago. It's embarrassing that the guys and girls have signed the petition now, a couple weeks before they are cut. Why didn't they do it before Pipe? The Conner Coffin quotes are hilarious.
Go surf the QS / Challenger series and earn your spot back or get a real job.

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Le_Reynard Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 9:48pm

Yeah, entitled is the vibe I'm getting. There are some tough draws (Chianca getting JJF) that have skewed things slightly maybe but still 5 events, each with two 'still finish second and progress' rounds FFS. Too much deadwood.

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cd Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 1:24pm

Are the wildcards for the events after the cut?

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mike.logan Saturday, 16 Apr 2022 at 8:07am

Yeah time they cut this bring back the old guys wild card thing. They retired - piss off and let the new crew have a go.

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thermalben Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 1:48pm

The surfers have known about the Mid Season Cut for years - Elo's letter says they began its redesign in early 2020 (in consultation with the surfers), and the WSL went public with the new format in July of that year.

https://www.worldsurfleague.com/posts/453773/world-surf-league-cancels-2...

Only reason it didn't roll out in 2021 was because of Covid-19:

"Given the challenges around COVID-19 and the transition year in 2021, the cut will not be implemented until the 2022 season."

Hard to find fault with the WSL over this.

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simsurf Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 1:49pm

Like these guys the spine to stand up to dirk and potentially end the gravy train.

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thermalben Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 2:40pm

Lots of other interesting quotes within the petition and Elo's response too:

Surfers' Petition wrote:

"We understand that new formats need to be explored to make the CT sustainable."

This suggests that during discussions between the WSL and the surfers, the WSL has leveraged its unsustainable business model to justify format changes, i.e. we need to do things differently or we won't be able to survive. That point has been greatly speculated for years, but never discussed by the WSL (as is their right, as a privately owned business).

Surfers' Petition wrote:

"We also understand that the Margaret River event has been sold at a premium value and the “cut drama” has been built throughout the broadcast"

That's odd - the Margaret River Pro is one of two events that DON'T have a naming rights sponsor. It's primarily funded by the government (interestingly, last year was the "Boost Mobile Margaret River Pro", but they seem to have shifted their sponsorship dollars over to the downgraded Gold Coast event).

Who has paid a premium, and what for?

Elo's response wrote:

"While we still have work ahead, I'm confident in saying that we are within sight of having a healthy, long term sustainable tour for the CT..."

Doesn't sound confident at all.

Elo's response wrote:

"We have changed our partnership pitches (around the Mid Season Cut), generating some of the highest levels of interest that we have ever seen..."

'Levels of interest' are difficult to evaluate, and are essentially meaningless until a deal is done. For example, there's still no overarching WSL sponsor to replace Samsung, who left at the end of the 2016 season. And Teahupoo - the most stunning tour location of them all - hasn't had a naming rights sponsor since Billabong pulled the pin at the end of 2017.

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rob tas Saturday, 16 Apr 2022 at 7:36am

isn't the really worrying effect of the cut that the top guys/gals like JJF, Toledo, Italo, CC, Clarissa (a signator), Steph, Tyler etc will bounce through year after year on the CT, and never have to return to the CS. while the new CS crew will have a handful of events to get used to the big stage, they'll fail and snakes and ladders like slip back down again. so we wont see new blood coming through with the necessary experience to really compete on the CT - save the occasional amazing-rookie, who even then often don't do well season 2. the incumbents will rule the waves!

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thermalben Saturday, 16 Apr 2022 at 7:45am

How is it different from the previous system though, albeit with a greater volume of surfers being cut, and at a different time in the calendar?

I always found that as we reached the Hawaiian leg, there was very little discussion about the small number of surfers hovering near the cut who needed a good result to stay on tour.

The new strategy amplifies the story (across a larger number of surfers), making it way more interesting for punters.

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rob tas Saturday, 16 Apr 2022 at 7:52am

i guess that's the point - there are so few left, after so few events... there'll just be continuous churn at the bottom with the same handful being in the top 5 yr after yr

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thermalben Saturday, 16 Apr 2022 at 7:58am

Maybe... but maybe not. Each surfer's now gotta deliver a good result at every event to retain their spot in tour.. they won't be able to faff around with poor results for the first few events, hoping to make it up later in the year.

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Clive Rodell Sunday, 24 Apr 2022 at 3:50pm

Mmmm That doesn't allow for sickness ot injury downtime though...

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simba Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 3:07pm

wouldnt hurt to cut the mens back a bit maybe not as much as what the cuts going to be though......anyway gravy train must end sometime

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walkar Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 3:11pm

Highly embarrassing for the surfers only now having a little bitch, surely there is more to the story. It's a shit idea anyway.

Perhaps even worse than the championship decider at Trestles. Now that is worthy of a revolt.

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Nick Bone Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 3:39pm

Do surfers think they stand a chance against Darth Corpo Jargon and his dark soulless acolyte lawyers.

Until there is a Anakin/Anankia Skywalker on tour, there will be no balance.

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velocityjohnno Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 4:41pm

But what if the chosen one, to the dark side they turn?

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crg Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 4:11pm

Simple...don’t have a cut...just have the tour with reduced numbers to begin with...it both sounds sustainable for the business and should shut the entitled whinging sooks the fuck up.

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Greg.m Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 4:31pm

On a different topic . What the fuck is going on having that chick Shannon Huges commentating ? She sounds like Alvin from Alvin the chipmonks . Worst voice for a commentator ever and her commentry is pretty crap too . Bring back Barton Lynch !

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icandig Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 4:46pm

Was listening to Rab for a bit too. I love Rabbit, but he's sounding a little off to me. Slurring words, repeating himself, talking himself down a errr ..........Rabbit hole. Might be time for a check up - or maybe just on the turps last night?

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goofyfoot Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 7:49pm

Surely you're not suggesting he was on the turpel last night?

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benjis babe Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 7:07pm

turn the volume to mute and turn up the volume on your music play list...makes for much better viewing and enjoyment

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Clive Rodell Monday, 25 Apr 2022 at 6:03pm

Yep, most people turn the Nasal commentary off. It's so annoying.

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simsurf Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 5:03pm

Hopefully dirk pulls the pin on the whole thing before summer stupid challenger or challenge (?) comp is meant to start at snapper. I thought they had given up for good.

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velocityjohnno Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 5:14pm

Seriously, the WSL have got something unreal on their hands. And something that could be held in great esteem as we see consciousness of the environment/interaction with the environment take centre stage in (world!) policy in the next decade.

The athletes are absolutely amazing at what they do. Many, many people surf regularly or occasionally. We do moves that they do to incredible levels. It's seriously inspirational.

I think I can see the WSL trying to adjust costs, maybe get their costs down? Any business that needs to turn itself around will need to go through this process. Perhaps it's way more than costs. A complete revamp.

Surfing, the way we surfers see it, and the way it's presented; is quite unique. It's not another sport. On another thread I mentioned broadcast being more like test cricket, to which Ben added that it's more individual than a team sport. This is all true. Luckily, our society seems to place great focus on the individual - this stuff is rampant through most advertising currently.

So how to recast it? Stadiums and 1980's style events? That was before, another world. Something more introspective? A more individualised presentation? A more team sports presentation? Surfing world championships were firstly once-a-year and a great meeting place of athletes and design/ideas. Teams went from nations.

Thinking out loud: Australia draws Brazil in the SHemi conference (groan), events are home-and-away at locations at both. There's a big home-ground advantage, but a gifted individual can overcome this. Like players in the World Cup, team members (and backup) are on contract.

Obviously Elo and the board are paid the big bucks to consider this in much greater detail. In his reply he's posting actual increases in engagement and it does sound like a business turning around. But the athletes do have a point: if cut, it's a big fall in their circumstance... how to reconcile? A different contract/retainer for positions below 20/10? I've seen the difference in local staffing between casual and contract positions. It's profound - getting the balance right can work for the company, too, with redistribution of workload and more security for staff.

And yeah, no reason for me to write this, still have to 'keep what I kill' in the world of business, no retainers or cushy contracts or windfalls unless I make them. No jealousy of athletes on good pay either. I'm tuning in and watching, so they must be doing something right.

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simsurf Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 6:44pm

6000 views on YouTube the other day. Other sports get millions. It is never ever ever going to pay for itself. Surfing is awesome, it awesome because it is not focussed around competing, A sport that is subjectively judged like figure skating to be "better" than someone else will never be as popular as the football codes. Listening to yanks drone on mindlessly while two people sit in the water sometimes for half an hour not doing anything, again is never going to be popular. People want action, which is why we have T20 cricket while test cricket dies out in popularity.

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Yendor Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 6:55pm

Time for a rebel tour! Bros not pros. First place wins a meat pack.

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andosbf Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 7:40pm

I'm not a massive fan of the WSL, but I think they are right on this one. the tour is way more exciting this way, in my opinion, I also hope that professional surfers wake up from the delusional status of GODs that they think to have, life is hard for 99% of the world and should be no different for them, interesting how the "pro surfers" look like politicians once they grab a seat they will play dirty to keep that seat.

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mike oxhard Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 8:42pm

there's always gonna be a few surfers outside the cut that probably don't deserve it, but if it means more quality events due to reduced logistics costs then it's probably worth it.

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morg Friday, 15 Apr 2022 at 9:45pm

As Ben said, WSL is a privately owned business and as such can pretty much run the tour as it wants too. It’s quite possible Woz just went through the discussion and negotiation process with the tour surfers (who may well have signed confidentiality agreements to be involved in it) to appear reasonable, and then it may not have given the tour surfers an option.
On the flip side the surfers may be now trying to get some genuine negotiation happening.
Having said that, IMHO each of the comps take way too long, and in recent years there have been a few pro’s that really shouldn’t have been able to use the QS to hang around for another year (recall those heats you didn’t care about with those tradesman like surfers).

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BChap88 Saturday, 16 Apr 2022 at 12:22am

It seems really obvious on the surface. The tour was most "successful" when it was more "dream" tour and less whatever the hell we currently have.

If they want more eyes, they need the best surfers in the best waves. I have been following professional surfing since 2003-04. Every year there are events that we all know are an absolute bore - even for us diehards - and they are ALL beach breaks. So what does the "casual" viewer think if that's their first exposure to the sport? The mainstream doesn't care about 3 foot Bells, Brazil or that one good day out of 100 at Portugal.

I'd love to see them cut the tour back on events and on pro surfers. Instead of quantity, you get quality content with the best surfers in the best waves. That should = more eyes.

Tour starter pack could include:
Pipeline
Chopes
Keramas
G-Land
Cloudbreak
Trestles
J-Bay
Snapper Rocks - at the right time of the year...

Instead, we have Brazil, Portugal and...the worst of all...Margaret River.

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Surfalot67 Saturday, 16 Apr 2022 at 6:57am

You forgot Bells mate. Always was there, always will be, and this year in particular should shut up the naysayers who wank on that it shouldn’t be on the calendar

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mike oxhard Saturday, 16 Apr 2022 at 8:26am

snapper is a bit fickle for a tour event, trestles and keramas don't really sound that exciting to me, be good to see some new places like Peru/Chile, Morocco, Namibia, Costa Rica, Sumbawa/Lombok

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c735293 Monday, 18 Apr 2022 at 3:26pm

Leave already over-crowded Indo islands out of this.

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gomatix Saturday, 16 Apr 2022 at 8:23am

I often don't agree with how the WSL tinkers with professional surfing, for example, jettisoning legacy, and tradition with the wild abandon of a two year old, but I do support this decision.

The contests are too long and the lower ranked surfers are not bringing much to the table. Losing Steph and Sally, however, would be a pretty bitter pill to swallow, if that is what happens.

However, in the surfers' defence how do you structure a financially viable competitive career with this new format? I'm not pretending to be an expert, but it seems somewhat akin to the previous regime i.e. having to back yourself on the QS if you didn't think you would make the cut at the end of the year.

Perhaps a compromise of sorts would work: shorter contests with fewer surfers without a mid-year cut?

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batfink Saturday, 16 Apr 2022 at 8:46am

Lots of possible options. What drove this, just saving money? If so, fair enough. I’m not sure that performance will improve just because there is a mid year cut, seems like a rationalisation that the marketing department put together.

Cut the non-elimination round. Maybe have the cut off two thirds of the way in the year, and ditch that final five surf off to decide world champ. That last one invokes no interest for me.

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Aus_Gannet Saturday, 16 Apr 2022 at 8:57am

It’s a job not a hobby! You get paid because it’s meant to be a little bit hard and not all shakas and good times. The whingers should pull the pin and get themselves a job as an aged care nurse or a copper. See how that goes for their mental health.

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san Guine Monday, 18 Apr 2022 at 12:16pm

100%

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wingnut2443 Saturday, 16 Apr 2022 at 10:27am

Be interesting to hear what the surfers who signed the 'petition' think of the rebuttal by Elo.

Anyone have intel on what went down during the 6.30 meeting in the VIP area?

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Shampooed Saturday, 16 Apr 2022 at 1:19pm

I get that it's Yin and Yang but I follow surfers, not competition organisers. I go to Bells to see heros surf not muppets selling products, The WSL is making it about them and their brand, not the surfers. Much like how the UFC operates with their fighters.

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Roadkill Saturday, 16 Apr 2022 at 5:00pm

Dear CTS…we pay you. If you are unhappy, go somewhere else. Love WSL.

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PCS PeterPan Saturday, 16 Apr 2022 at 10:02pm

It’s easy to see most ‘angles’ in this situation . Wozzle have a version of the World Tour and need to make $$$ . People under the line don’t wanna get the chop !
Obviously surfing is a unique ‘sport’ which is difficult to package to the masses , otherwise this wouldn’t be happening again
I reckon it will be interesting ( or batshit boring ) if we end up with a new crop of young uns at maxing Chopes or Pipe and they’re not willing to have a dig .

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flollo Saturday, 16 Apr 2022 at 10:42pm

Obviously WSL will save a fair bit of prize money after the cut. If this is what they need to become more financially viable and potentially, sell their product to more sponsors then let it be. Good on them for trying different things, if there is no innovation business will slowly but surely die.

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boogiefever Saturday, 16 Apr 2022 at 11:12pm

Fuck the WSL.

Using K Slaters blank chequebook... i will start a rebel tour....
24 men, 16 women.
8 bottom ranked from each gender relegated end of calender yr to be replaced by best of challenger.
Mens 1st and 2nd round...
4man,40min heat....(up to 1hr heats if forecast is promising).
Top2 moves on.... Losers out of comp.
3rd round is semis.... 3man heat, winner to finals, bottom 2 out.
Man on man final.

Starting feb....
Pipe
Honolua bay
Snapper
Bells
Chopes
Cloudbreak
Keramas?
J bay
Hossegor
Mundaka
Supertubos?
Morocco?
Trestles?
No grand final....Title to most points over season.
No massive grandstands or scaffold WSL ivory towers built.
No jetskis unless its huge, life or death conditions.
No hangers on /entourage like promotors, managers, board caddies(carry ur own fucken boards), masseuse, mental health counsellors, baristas/juice mixers...
Stylists.....
Aura healers.....or shakra cleansers.
No onsite commentators.....work from home.
No snouts in the trough....
3 cameras
(2land/1water).
Keep it streamlined....small scale, low overheads, minimal impact on environment.

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wax-on-danielson Monday, 18 Apr 2022 at 8:19pm

Sounds like you have thought about this. I reckon do it like skating. Like an invite of 10 or 16 at some off beat gnarly wave. 1 day when it’s working. Have best trick, best barrel, best run / wave, most critical surfing in different categories. 4 wave attempts for each of the different categories and places for each category. Then the person who’s overall points across all 4 add up to the most wins for the day.

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seeds Saturday, 16 Apr 2022 at 11:36pm

Noosa!!! Yeeeew it’s off guts all year. Just put ‘em up in Halse Lodge all year and save some coin. World champ decided at groin close outs yeeeeww

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boogiefever Sunday, 17 Apr 2022 at 7:40am

Noosa???
Never heard of it....

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Surfalot67 Sunday, 17 Apr 2022 at 7:48am

Shhhsh. Secret north Brisbane south swell magnet

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seeds Sunday, 17 Apr 2022 at 8:52am

Groyne even

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nextswell Sunday, 17 Apr 2022 at 6:17am

Professional surfing an oxymoron if there ever was one. The fact they are getting paid to travel and surf is pure luxury. None of them are owed anything and it’s laughable that they think it’s their given right. Going off all the information this format was on the cards for well over a year. Maybe it took a year for them to fully grasp the new format? They are ‘professional surfers’.

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Santosha Sunday, 17 Apr 2022 at 8:15am

As an aside re WSL .. see they now have cushy partnered up with Chinese car manufacturer GMW Haval as their main sponsor for the Sydney Pro. Aussies should think about supporting Chinese imports from a country who don’t give a fuck about human rights, who turn a blind eye to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, who look like invading Taiwan, and who look like setting up a naval base on our doorstep near PNG.

https://www.worldsurfleague.com/posts/498566/gwm-becomes-official-automo...

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wallpaper Sunday, 17 Apr 2022 at 10:39am

Sorry to break this to you mate, but unless you wrote that on a piece of paper bark using a emu feather quill dipped in local ocher and sent it in by crested pigeon from your electricity free totally self-sustaining life in your native cedar slab hut where you've lived since your parents built it, Chinese imports have been a major supporting factor in just about every aspect of the cushy life you've been leading since you came into this world. Better send one of those pigeons DFAT's way while you're at it and get them to cut off those pesky iron ore exports.

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Santosha Sunday, 17 Apr 2022 at 2:48pm

You said it old mate... ‘ have been ‘. And what has been, doesn’t mean it has to stay that way. Consumers have the choice to consider other origins. China has shown that when it suits, it will now bend Oz over the table and give us a right royal rodgering, they did to our wine industry by imposing a 116–218% tariff.. cause they didn’t like Australia asking for a covid origin inquiry. There are now other choices, so fuck Erik and his corporate KOOKS.

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wallpaper Sunday, 17 Apr 2022 at 2:57pm

so you're saying that Australia doesn't bend anyone over and give it to them when it suits? Those wine and barley tariffs were imposed in response to the ill-advised foreign policies of an incompetent Australian government, who decided to throw Australian wine and barley producers under a bus for a few cheap dog whistling political points. What kind of a pack of fools would frame foreign policy around the absurd conspiracy theories of the American right wing anyway. Well we know that because you see these clowns on the news every day. It would have been a different story if it was the ministerial salaries that were going to cop the slasher. By the way mate, those cars were made using Australian iron ore that this country sold to them so what exactly are you talking about anyway.

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bluediamond Sunday, 17 Apr 2022 at 6:46pm

Each surfer on the tour has 30 minutes with another surfer in the water and equal opportunity for the most part (bar Ewing today) to do what they need to do to make it through the heat. If they don't, that's just bad luck.
John john is good enough to make it through heats, as is Italo as is Toledo as is a smattering of others that are of the elite level.
If you're not good enough, well that's just sport. That's how it goes.
Steph and Sally may not make the cut this year, and it seems like an atrocity, but the reality is, their form slide has coincided with a whole bunch of rookies bursting onto the tour. If they were good enough they'd make the cut easily.
You can only blame yourself if you don't make the cut. Harsh but realistic.

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nextswell Sunday, 17 Apr 2022 at 7:14pm

Agree bd except about the harsh part. They surf for a living and for that they are extremely lucky. As mere mortals working a 9-5 we too have expectations. If they are not met we are cut.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 17 Apr 2022 at 7:23pm

Even Elon is having his say

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RustyWalliams Monday, 18 Apr 2022 at 9:57am

This is an excellent development. We now have a readily available list of both pro surfers and swellnet posters who are either business owners and/or class traitors, and those organising and/or standing in solidarity with workers' interests.

Surfers of the world unite.

Which side are you on?

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san Guine Monday, 18 Apr 2022 at 12:29pm

Maybe just a polemic, but your comment captures the zeitgeist.
Is everything a binary choice?

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flollo Monday, 18 Apr 2022 at 11:01am

This cut is great. I fully support it. Next, bring a ‘little final’; a battle for a 3rd spot so there is a legitimate 3rd and 4th.

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SurferSam Monday, 18 Apr 2022 at 11:15am

I’m gonna float an idea
Surfers that don’t make the cut get 1 more chance,
Surf off comp in a slab of death. Force em to paddle into ‘the right’ or get a tube switch foot at the box.
Those who survive get to make the cut.
Would make unmissable viewing ha ha

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bluediamond Monday, 18 Apr 2022 at 1:49pm

Considering no one's ever paddled the right on a stick, you've set the bar pretty high there. You do realize exactly how the setup is thee??

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SurferSam Monday, 18 Apr 2022 at 7:29pm

Are you familiar with the concept of taking the piss?

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bluediamond Monday, 18 Apr 2022 at 8:25pm

I do understand taking the piss. I probably got personal because of your comments and name calling last night. Good luck to you Surfer Sam. The only reason i had a go at Roadkill is cos he/she is constantly taking random pot shots at me, so thought for once,i'd do the same. Obviously a flawed strategy. Doesn't feel good to sabotage someones comments for revenge. I'll learn from that. Life is full of lessons. The internet is one we're all learning.

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Roadkill Monday, 18 Apr 2022 at 11:46am

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Remigogo Monday, 18 Apr 2022 at 11:54am

Stop the mid year cut.
Throw out the seeding round.
Piss off with your final five finals day.
Use overlapping heats.

I'd sign that petition.

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bluediamond Monday, 18 Apr 2022 at 1:50pm

Remigogo for Wozzle president. Got my vote!!

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Remigogo Monday, 18 Apr 2022 at 3:04pm

Thanks for your vote BD.
Nothing a bit of white out, a pen and a couple of phone calls can't change.

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ringmaster Monday, 18 Apr 2022 at 3:18pm

Having the 1st round as non elimination is like getting a mulligan on the first tee in a golf comp.

Shouldn't happen.

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Surfalot67 Tuesday, 19 Apr 2022 at 5:32pm

Question for all, why the fark didn't they run overlapping heats when it was pumping?? So many insane waves left to run through unmolested. Probably would’ve had a different mens champ IMHO

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truebluebasher Thursday, 21 Apr 2022 at 6:54pm

Mid Season Cut = Thanx Stu / Ben for the links & bringing the crew up to date.
No idea it was getting so well outta hand...can see why though.
Did a quick outsider's check & surfers have cause for concern.

WSL has no smooth transition in place from WA CT.
Ben's Cams reveal no WSL Goldie comp gear is rolling out for fast approaching 7th May CS.
Not only that...State Govt / GC Council / Qld Surfing promote everything but this loser WSL CS comp?
WSL Sand Pumped CS Correctional Sanitarium has no Timeshare booth to wow the Hodads!
Pro Surfers are watching the Big Wheels fall off their Circus Train.

Anomaly : (It's not Mid Year!)
Outcasts are not surfing on Pro Tour for exactly 66% of the Year or surf for only 33% of Tour Year.
Finals format cut is one thing, but denying competition for 66% of the year smacks of desperation.

Anomaly : WSL cuts 33% of Surfers from Lineup or 33% surf 33% of Tour Year..(Pretty Spazz Huh!)
Elo's Accountant....'See here, ya trim 33% off yer bottom line & you qualify for Joe's BBB Tax write off!'

Anomaly : Top 22 Men + (2 wild cards) & Top 10 Women + (2 wild Cards)
Q: Are 2 of ELO's Ultimate TV Surfers competing as Wild Cards? (Coz the Timing lines up!)

2022 CT cut sheds 14 & 2023 CS has 15 going up to CT
https://www.worldsurfleague.com/athletes/tour/mcs?year=2021

Note WSL encourages Top pros to compete in CS (3 CT surfers are above the cut)
Anomaly...Kanoa was recently leading both tours? (Likely a First...for stat keepers!)

Here's a few more spazz Anomalies escaping out attention...
Every Grom gets stoked when Circus comes to town & hoot for their local to take down the Champ.
Drool! Gotta luv that! Showered in Beer & Stickers plastered over the town & every dog!
If there is a hidden reason for adopting this 2/3 tier set up then this rings loudest & most obvious.

CS tour ends in Hawaii ensuring in form Local Rookies flood the CT Hawaii Leg for upset win.(Tick)
1st 5 comps on CT tour is stacked with Aussies...a biased home town advantage for Oz Leg Win (Tick)
1st CS Comps in Oz scoop up endless CT Oz desperate outcasts biasing a local Oz CS win (?) Soon.
VIP 5 comps head to Brazil with stacked ratio of Home town surfers biasing a Home town Victory (?)
Back to Hawaii local Wildcards CS > CT overload.

Pretty sure this is how WSL planned it...but little is said of this giant finger pointing glove.
There is some small talk of CT < > CS (integration) Nothing more than thought bubbles.(Not reality)
Could be wrong here...just that tbb is not up to speed on WSL (Integration) Not here on the Goldie!
Most punters would say the whole deal has zero integration...hence, the angry surfers!

Just saying there is a definite Comp Format bias for shaping Home Town Hero Stoke.
That's a good thing...if it were organic...but clearly WSL stacked it that way...Not a Fair Competition?
If only WSL explained the convenience of nurturing hometown Stoke...we might come on board.
This is exactly how & why surfers tiredly point the bone at another Kooky WSL Mental Plan!

Next Anomaly is a sneaky thing > Prize Money...tbb admits that this slipped by first time around.
Must be said...WSL funny money is getting harder to track down.

Rewind to Trestles Final Top 5 x (Mens/Womens) One & Only WSL CT Equal Pay Comp
Total Prize Pool $470,000 ( Around half of a CT full Comp Purse )
1st $200,000 each (m/f) >(2-5 Placings) Total (m/f) 8 surfers = $70,000 combined
If split evenly = $8,750 each or Less than lowest rank Surfer of any comp...for a finals Comp?
Clearly we see a new WSL that loves Winners at cost of losers...(Reflecting the Mid Year cut ethos!)
That is a massive competitor Pay Gap..."A warm welcome for the wannabes...now you can Fuck Off!"

tbb is puttin' in a request for Mid Year WSL Comp format & Prize Pool (Can't find either anywhere!)
All here know if either were at hand we could maybe get better insight to this cut off row!

WSL are keeping real quiet on this...
Men already earn less per performance due to higher competitor numbers 36 > Women's 24
Men surf more rounds for less appearance money & first round Male losers earn less.

Mid season cut should widen WSL pay gap more so in women's favour (Men 18 > Women's 12 surfers).
Be real eye opener as not only those below the line but more than half above the line will have a say.

2022 (1st Half formula) WSL Biggest loser Pipe Cheque...$9,750 (vs) Chix $10,000
If prize money is the same or similar as one would imagine then....
2022 (2nd Half formula) WSL Biggest loser Chopes Cheque $Bigger (vs) Last place Chix = $Massive
We can rule out Top Tier prize money as reason for angst...more about income security.
There can be no doubt that base level pay disputes are driving protests...only we don't see that...
2 class structure... 2nd Half can bludge for more easy money & Chix are showered in Shopping money!
Be hard for crew to buy #1 elite back end comps will have less Prize Purse ...so more pay for losers.
These surfers have already qualified for 2023 & will get pimped to camp on shoulders.

1 month to 28th May & still no 2nd half Comp rounds format or Prize money tiers

Sophie's choice example.
ATP / WTA Tennis Cut Finals
Men's 8 + 8d Players (Prizepool $7.25m) Winner $1,094,000 > R/U $530k > SF $173k
Women's 8 + 8d Players (Prizepool $5m) Winner $1,240,000 > R/U $420k > SF $30k
Battle of the Sexes...Women's tennis Goddess smashes Glass ceiling to poop over #1 Men Champ!

WSL are clearly influenced by Sophie's Tennis world of #1 Highest Paid Female World Athletes
WSL are angling Top Women's Prize Purse for fast return Accolades across sports world.
Their is a wide open field for WSL to make strides to gain cred fast by advancing women.
WSL is 1st a vessel for sportswomen to earn higher performance fees than men...which they do!
Recall WSL Plan was to address this shortfall in Comp numbers Ratio Prize money...but instead!
2nd half of 2022 is designed to further widen Women's higher performance fees above brothers.
These are WSL goals...not tbb stirring the pot!

Qldurrz wish to point out that WSL has yet to hold an equal Pay CT comp in Qld & have no plans to!
Clearly more at play than wot we see from the outside...coz in our World this is huge backward step!
Why! Well we lost our CT comp didn't we! Now none promote it's lesser replacement...(WSL - Losin' it!)
Goldie surfers could argue this is when & where the WSL wheels started coming off!
Don't need to say that Goldie ran a Good CT comp as World knows that better than us! Just sayin'!

Now > No comp formats / Prize money details locked in for upcoming CT Tour Leg.
Zero #1 CS Comp awareness & No support by Govts / Councils / Surfing Australia - States
All Comps / Money / Formats geared away from Group toward stoking Local Home Town Diva Chix.
WSL Hodads ask...Where do I sign the Petition?

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Clive Rodell Sunday, 24 Apr 2022 at 3:38pm

First and Foremost, it's an entertainment platform. All 'gigs' depend on the crowd showing up.
If we compare it to the Music Scene, bums on seats sell tickets. Bells is an amazing Vibe, not just a viewing medium.
If we look at a Pop Festival Format, for example, Tamworth for the Country Scene, it has a massive line up of 'Talent'.
Festivals provide an array of talent to satisfy the masses.... not JUST the 'Cream of the Crop'. A long Festival with varied artists gets a much larger demographic than 5 x the best acts.
For my part, the power of Courtney Conlogue, the flow of Stephanie, the gouges of Connor Coffin, the vertical path of Ryan Callinan/Connor O'Leary and the precision of Kelly, plus some I know personally, float my boat. After the Cut... for me... there'll be less to see and enjoy. If the criteria (possibly) changed to a collective of 'want to see' from the 'punter' audience, Style and Rail Carves over Twirlybirds might change the variety left after the 'cut'.
I certainly feel the Graham Cassidy /ASP version felt more connected than a sometimes Them v Us WSL product. However, I was more than a punter back then, so perhaps that clouds my judgement.
It's hard, where does the WSL recoup their losses and keep some of us entertained?

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Clive Rodell Monday, 25 Apr 2022 at 6:13pm

Perhaps another thing of 'note'. Elon says the Fans are all in favour of the cut.
I thought I was a fan, but I don't remember voting...