Beaches begin to reopen

Stu Nettle
Swellnet Dispatch

Now that Easter has passed, the weather is getting cooler, and the curves are getting flattened, various state governments are moving to relax their beach restrictions.

Many of the Qld, NSW, and Vic closures came into place just prior to Easter following a period of good weather. With similarly pleasant weather forecast for the Easter long weekend, many councils proactively closed their beaches. 

From today, Randwick Council has reopened Maroubra and Coogee beaches with both accesible to surfers and swimmers. However, the beach itself - meaning the sand and beach park - will remain off limits for an indefinite period.

Just up the coast, Bronte, Tamarama, and Bondi remain closed with Waverley Council signalling they may open them next week.

Bondi remains off limits for at least another week

At Cronulla, all Bate Bay beaches have now been reopened.

Up on the Gold Coast, Mayor Tom Tate today reopened The Spit, Surfers Paradise, and Coolangatta Beaches, which had been closed since April 7th. Carparks at The Spit will remain closed with Cr Tate saying, "I still want to discourage out-of-towners from coming to our beaches."

Over Easter, a number of councils in Victoria closed their beaches but all have since reopened.

Across the ditch, NZ PM Jacinda Ardern announced level 4 restrictions will cease next Monday, meaning surfers will again be free to visit the beach. By the time it's lifted, Kiwis will have been denied access to the beach - and many other places - for just over a month.

Despite the beaches reopening, travel restrictions remain in place with police in many jurisdictions still issuing fines for people caught traveling further than necessary to exercise.

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Island Bay commented Monday, 20 Apr 2020 at 5:00pm

Good on you, Aussie.

We just got served another week in full lockdown.

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shortenism commented Monday, 20 Apr 2020 at 5:01pm

A must watch on this madness https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRBEkgfSFdU

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geek commented Monday, 20 Apr 2020 at 5:19pm

“The emergency doctor blasting Bill Gates”

Yep, ignore this one folks

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shortenism commented Monday, 20 Apr 2020 at 5:32pm

Why ignore geek?

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murphy commented Monday, 20 Apr 2020 at 6:27pm

Shortenism....Maybe because the guy's been accused of treating cancer patients with Hydrogen Peroxide and because he was also charged for the unethical treatment of his patients, and escaped with a reprimand? He's no the kind of person who has any cred in my mind.

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bluediamond commented Monday, 20 Apr 2020 at 9:45pm

I'd say he's got at least some cred.
'Dr. Rashid Buttar is a graduate of the University of Osteopathic Medicine and Health Sciences, College of Medicine and Surgery. He trained in General Surgery and Emergency Medicine and served as Brigade Surgeon and Director of Emergency Medicine while serving in the U.S. Army. Dr. Buttar is board certified in Clinical Metal Toxicology, Preventive Medicine, and is board eligible in Emergency Medicine.
He is the medical director for Advanced Concepts in Medicine, The Center for Advanced Medicine and Clinical Research™ in Charlotte, NC, a clinic specializing in addressing the needs of patients with cancer and heart disease. He also serves as Director of Clinical Research and Development for V-SAB Medical Labs where he is extensively involved in polypeptide research and development of innovative drug delivery mechanisms.'

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murphy commented Tuesday, 21 Apr 2020 at 5:34pm

Yeah...I read that, and also the comments about his suspect treatments...that's what makes me dubious and I personally wouldn't want anyone with that kind of rep treating me.

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bluediamond commented Tuesday, 21 Apr 2020 at 8:36pm

Yeah fair enough. Upon further investigation, it does seem he's pretty motivated by coin.

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shortenism commented Tuesday, 21 Apr 2020 at 2:47pm

Yeah Murph and I have used it with huge success in combination with black salve to treat and eradicate skin cancer.

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Johknee commented Thursday, 23 Apr 2020 at 3:32pm

How do you know you've had skin cancer if you don't trust medical practitioners? Did you diagnose yourself?
The medicos want to 'cut you up' to remove the cancer, but you'd prefer to use a caustic substance on your skin that you bought from the internet. Why? Because it's 'natural'?

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shortenism commented Thursday, 23 Apr 2020 at 4:06pm

Lets just say John it's usually pretty obvious if you are aware of your body and I have had one surgically removed before I got on the salve bandwagon, which I regret not trusting the advice I got initially to use salve the first time. I know what i'm looking for now and you like all surfers should too. I get regular skin checks and if the doc highlights something dodgy I've eradicated it with salve. The Doc knows i'm onto it, he loves it. Ya gotta be sensible John, I'm not saying doctors don't have a very important role, I'm saying you gotta balance all these things out.

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Johknee commented Thursday, 23 Apr 2020 at 4:33pm

Yeah, I guess you should balance surgical removal with an acidic burn. Yin and yang eh?!

https://www.smh.com.au/healthcare/the-corrosive-truth-about-australia-s-...

Gotta love you alternative folk. Namaste, my friend.

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shortenism commented Thursday, 23 Apr 2020 at 4:43pm

Whatever you want to call it John. Ha, the old alternative folk call. I'm alternative because I use a plant based paste to eradicate sun damaged cells? You don't use it because a) you were never told about it or b) you do know it exists but you are too scared to try it. I suppose to the fact I eat predominantly organic foods you would also call me 'alternative'?

Putting salve to one side, I always wonder why organic foods are labelled 'organic', when every other non-organic food (in the case of fruit & veg) should be labelled 'GM, grown with hormones, pesticides and packaged with preservatives'. You can see where the world is going when things, which are so natural begin getting labelled 'organic' or 'alternative' or some other fella on here said gotta love the witch doctor or something.... If ya not part of the solution you are part of the problem.

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behindthepeak commented Tuesday, 21 Apr 2020 at 4:23pm

Some people just want the witch doctor...

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shortenism commented Tuesday, 21 Apr 2020 at 3:17pm

& what geek pay attention to Bill Gates a technocrat providing global health policy directives??

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Spuddups commented Tuesday, 21 Apr 2020 at 6:42am

“The news that the mainstream media ignores” When you hear this sort of thing there’s a good likelihood that what follows is bullshit.

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 21 Apr 2020 at 10:12am

But for $US450 the doc will send you the true facts that are too controversial for the general public.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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garyg1412 commented Thursday, 23 Apr 2020 at 2:11pm

The crispy white lab coat makes for a good prop but!!!

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shortenism commented Thursday, 23 Apr 2020 at 2:49pm

Haha yeah the white lab coat is pretty rad... However, if this along with a lonnngggg and growing list of other evidence coming out isn't smacking everyone on here in the chops that COVID19 is the most obvious fabricated scam of the ages to bring in a global state of surveillance, control and dependency then I'm stunned,

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garyg1412 commented Thursday, 23 Apr 2020 at 3:29pm

Righto then shortenism. I'm assuming all those health workers who witness hundreds of dead disease racked bodies everyday are just part of this fabricated scam and will just move onto their fabricated PTSD once we are all surveilled, controlled and dependant. The one item you might want to put on that lonnnggg growing list of chop smacking facts is that there would be a fuckload more dead people on this planet if we didn't listen to real health experts.

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shortenism commented Thursday, 23 Apr 2020 at 3:50pm

So Garyg where are all these health workers who witness hundreds of dead bodies? Are you saying there are health workers witnessing hundreds of dead bodies or are you saying there would be health workers witnessing hundreds of dead bodies if we didn't listen to the real experts? Like WHO Bill Gates?

Unfortunately I think the real health experts you are citing are not actually experts. They have been trained by their masters (largely unknowingly) to keep the human population vulnerable to disease and reliant on a system, which would sooner have them get an injection in the arm every year and take a shit load of pills than actually focus on genuine health and well-being. You know the stats on dead smokers in the last 3 months right? >1M globally since Jan 2020. Where's the 1.5m distance rule here? Should have been brought in years ago. Deaths from starvation? >2M since Jan 2020. Its a scam mate, wake up.

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shortenism commented Thursday, 23 Apr 2020 at 3:56pm

Further to this Garyg, the medical experts behind the government are ordering face masks by the gazilion, plastic gloves.. Where do they end up? Many leading doctors are saying that we definitely should not be wearing gloves and face-masks and sanitizing our hands every minute because we need to injest bacteria naturally through what we touch and breath to maintain body imunity or you become a santised little twig who's gonna snap with the first blow you're exposed to. So you can see how we're being primed for phase 2 of this cant you?? There is so much that is so wrong about the approach to this COVID-19 its wild.

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truebluebasher commented Monday, 20 Apr 2020 at 6:50pm

This report reckons you can Surf Bondi if you enter via the Rocks (Only)
https://7news.com.au/news/health/bondi-shut-but-some-sydney-beaches-reop...
Other Open Beaches ...
Central Coast
Newcastle - Umina
Sutherland Shire (via Headcounts)

Most ever Surf Photos in Newspaper ...Mental...Check it Out.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8235119/Surfers-come-force-thre...

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mickseq commented Monday, 20 Apr 2020 at 8:51pm

In 2 weeks all beaches will be open, in 2 weeks and one day you will all be bitching about something else

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Vic Local commented Monday, 20 Apr 2020 at 8:57pm

Don't fuck it up now Australia.
90 minutes is up and there's no need to slam in an own goal in extra time.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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truebluebasher commented Monday, 20 Apr 2020 at 11:34pm

I'm sure Vic Local said Qldurrz have an away game this weekend...Burp!

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tango commented Monday, 20 Apr 2020 at 10:07pm

A good post I read today along the lines of:

"the curve is flattening, so we can start lifting restrictions now"

is the same as

"the parachute has slowed our rate of descent, so we can take if off now."

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shortenism commented Tuesday, 21 Apr 2020 at 8:34am

What a load of horse shite tango, making a link to jumping out a plane without a parachute... Brotha wake up and smell the fear machine. Vitamin D, Vitamin 'Sea', get the hell out there already.

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tango commented Tuesday, 21 Apr 2020 at 10:14am

No, shortenism, that's not what the post said - it was about taking the chute off when it had slowed your fall, ignorant that there was still a pretty long way to go to get to the ground safely. Quite apt I think. Suggesting short-term thinking.

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jacksprat commented Tuesday, 21 Apr 2020 at 10:04am

Are surfers designed to be selfish and stupid or do they acquire that trait over generations, like Wrestlemania 1023; Darwin versus Lamark.

onetimeonly

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behindthepeak commented Tuesday, 21 Apr 2020 at 4:26pm

some of us aren't trying to touch each other in water brah

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stylemaster1970 commented Tuesday, 21 Apr 2020 at 12:13pm

Beaches Closed? There are more people surfing on the Mornington Peninsula than I have ever seen in 40yrs.

If you argue with a fool long enough you will lose sight of who the fool really is........

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Justint commented Tuesday, 21 Apr 2020 at 1:15pm

iH8T8

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truebluebasher commented Tuesday, 21 Apr 2020 at 2:39pm

East Coast Tsunami Lockdown of '2010

8.8 Chile Earthquake...

Saturday 27 Feb 2010 swellnet issue Tsunami Warning
https://www.swellnet.com/forums/wax/9161

Sunday 28 Feb 2010
4am BOM double down on swellnet east coast Wipeout

7am: * ASP Pro's are shit scared of Tsunamis & waste no time to paddle in real fast.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-02-28/tsunami-warning-halts-asp-event/3...
https://www.tracksmag.com.au/news/surfers-run-from-massive-swell-423119

*WA Librarians & NT Lollipop ladies paratrooped into 5million E/coast Dad's Army

8am: *Dad's Army on 10x pay armed with tasers & attack dogs hail death threats.

*Swimmerz /Basherz! ["1st & Final Warning > Evacuate or get a bullet in yer head!"]

*You! Beachbabe! [ "Off our beach now or we'll smack you up so hard bitch!"]

*Anyone so much as gaze at a grain of sand, you'll get yer bits chopped off.(Got that!)

11am: Tsunami is fast approaching 10m Australians link hands along the Headlands
https://www.tweeddailynews.com.au/news/crowds-ignore-tsunami-threat-peop...

High Noon!
PM cheers on 10m suicide crew surfing bread tags & Go Pro's to fight off Tsunami.
https://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2010/03/01/2833495.htm
Oh! The carnage, Oz Weekend Warriors surfed the shit outta the pissweak Tsunami.
Our Frontline boys saved the day...PM named set waves after each one of them!
https://www.smh.com.au/world/nation-breathes-freely-as-tsunami-fizzles-o...
Washed Up score card honours our hero locals & measures their sacrifice.
http://www.bom.gov.au/tsunami/history/20100228.shtml

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OHBILLY commented Tuesday, 21 Apr 2020 at 3:12pm

I... just.......................what?

How much meth does a bloke need to do to understand your comments on here?

Yea, I get barrel

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icandig commented Tuesday, 21 Apr 2020 at 8:43pm

He's drawing a parallel. Don't worry TB. I get it. (I think) nil meth

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DamonS commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 9:26am

Give him a chance, and you’ll find he’s one of the most knowledgeable here. Bit like a puzzle at times, but rewarding if you get it.

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troppo dichotomy commented Tuesday, 21 Apr 2020 at 4:01pm

Shortenism,could you tell us about black salve?Besides drinking stout,i've heard and had conversations over the years about the paste thats been banned.thnx m8

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N.P commented Tuesday, 21 Apr 2020 at 4:46pm

Did councils approach vic local for any input prior to decision making?

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shortenism commented Tuesday, 21 Apr 2020 at 5:21pm

G'day troppo, have used it 4 times personally over the last 8 years. My wife's mother has used it many times on many members of her family over 20yrs. Have had nothing but success, has saved many members of her family including her 98 year old father many sessions under the scalpel.. Basically apply the salve paste, cover it with a band aid for 3 days and then remove. By then its dissolved the problematic cells if they exists, so you move to managing the scab basically by applying peroxide and rose-hip oil daily.. After about 10 days its done with minimal scaring, no surgical stuff etc etc.

Black salve is plant derived from a species in Mexico I believe, but could be wrong. The sellers change its name frequently to avoid detection by various authorities, who hate this kind of stuff. A bit like some of the crew on here the medical profession largely want you go through a rigorous mainstream medical process, which is costly, painful and time consuming. The last jar I got was called cancema from online a couple of years back. Its easy to find.

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troppo dichotomy commented Tuesday, 21 Apr 2020 at 5:44pm

Awesome thnx shortenism!will look into it.

Hard to imagine,plants that have battled against microbes and survived eons could be of any use without a man made synthetic replacement?

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maka2000 commented Wednesday, 22 Apr 2020 at 10:02am

stuff this fooking lock down, lets open pubs and casinos and massage parlors , we need entertainment after hard labor work.

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Craig commented Wednesday, 22 Apr 2020 at 10:05am

Bondi, Tama and Bronte to open next week. Stoked.

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billythekid commented Thursday, 23 Apr 2020 at 7:47am

Well for a new low swellnet posting bullshit surf reports etc.:

This from above by Stu is just misleading:

"Despite the beaches reopening, travel restrictions remain in place with police in many jurisdictions still issuing fines for people caught traveling further than necessary to exercise."

There is no stipulation on how far you can travel to exercise. There are recommendations, but the law doesn't provide for fining people for driving more than a certain distance to exercise. Consequently, police won't fine people traveling to exercise as these fines are overturned on review. But they will fine you and your mates for traveling to exercise.

And then this:

Barwon Heads surf report this morning "If your not from here please don’t travel here for the safety of yourself and others. It’s clean and good size this morning but it’s busy - BR"

Its NOT BUSY and its SMALL.

STOP pushing an agenda swellnet and focus on quality surf reports!!!!

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stunet commented Thursday, 23 Apr 2020 at 7:56am

Long as the fines for travelling are getting handed out - which they are - then we'll report on it.

If at a later date they get overturned in court, then we'll report on that too.

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billythekid commented Thursday, 23 Apr 2020 at 8:04am

Fines for travelling to exercise are not being handed out - that's my point. And any that were, are being overturned on review

As for the Barwon Heads report this morning - that was plain made up

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lostdoggy commented Thursday, 23 Apr 2020 at 8:09am

"Fines for travelling to exercise are not being handed out - that's my point. And any that were, are being overturned on review"

Your second sentence contradicts your first, Bill.

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stunet commented Thursday, 23 Apr 2020 at 8:10am

Same as these two sentences from Bill's previous post:

"police won't fine people traveling to exercise as these fines are overturned on review. But they will fine you and your mates for traveling to exercise."

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Bnkref commented Thursday, 23 Apr 2020 at 1:20pm

The main spot at Barwon Heads was busyish and it certainly wasn't small.

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Vic Local commented Thursday, 23 Apr 2020 at 5:21pm

I'm really surprised billythekid is still posting here. A couple of weeks ago he was encouraging people to get out and spread the virus, so the country could develop herd immunity and the economy can remain open. How's that policy working out for the UK and the USA?

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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billythekid commented Thursday, 23 Apr 2020 at 8:56pm

Who gives a shit- the point is the under 40s shouldn’t be sacrificed for the over 60s - agree or disagree vic local?

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Vic Local commented Thursday, 23 Apr 2020 at 9:01pm

The under 40s aren't being sacrificed, but you actually said the over 70s should be sacrificed for the economy. And then you said they'd be happy to lose their lives for the economy. That's just nuts.

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billythekid commented Thursday, 23 Apr 2020 at 10:19pm

Why is it nuts? They’re over 70. They’ve lived heaps. Why should a young family lose their house so an over 70 can stay alive a few more years? The economy isn’t a thing. It’s people.

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Vic Local commented Thursday, 23 Apr 2020 at 10:27pm

It's nuts because the countries that went for herd immunity have thousands of deaths and crushed economies. Only a complete fool thinks your ideas have been a success rather than a complete, and thoroughly avoidable, tragedy.

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billythekid commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 7:59am

My point is it’s one tragedy vs another. So I’ll ask you again Vic Local : under 40s shouldn’t be sacrificed for the over 60s - agree or disagree?

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stylemaster1970 commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 8:34am

over 70s, now over 60s. I don't like the way this is heading, Im the next bracket. Please spare me King Billy.

If you argue with a fool long enough you will lose sight of who the fool really is........

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Vic Local commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 9:09am

billythekid, I'm not even going to answer your question because it is a profoundly stupid and ignorant question.
It's the type of black and white nonsense that's typical of extreme libertarians like you.
No western nation has managed to protect their economies from this health crisis. Those countries that took your herd immunity option are now basket cases. 1 in 20 people in London are homeless. 25 million people in the USA are unemployed and food supply chains are breaking in America. And things are going to get much worse over there with that orange lunatic in charge.
If you lived in the USA, you'd be out with the extremest gun nuts trying the "LIBERATE" your state.
Your ideas are dangerous. You're happy for 60 and 70 year olds to die. It's IPA crap being pushed on surf website. If you were any good at promoting nutter theories, you'd get a gig on Sky News After Dark, but the best you can do is push your garbage on a surf report. Just pathetic billythekid.

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billythekid commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 9:23am

VL where do you stand? Do you think it's worth a whole lot of unemployment and poverty amongst under 40 generation so that older generations dont get coronona virus and possibly die?

Its a fair question that goers to the ethics of this whole issue. Its exactly the question policy makers around the world are confronting.

So what about you? Can you confront this question? Where do you stand?

Stick your neck out and have an opinion not just a negative reaction to what someone says

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Vic Local commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 9:37am

Geez you are a dopey fucker billythekid. I will explain this slowly and clearly for you.
Every western country is having an economic crisis. Those who have gone for your herd immunity bullshit option are having a health crisis as well. Countries who locked down hard and early, and those that have invested heavily in testing and tracking are going to reopen their economies way earlier. It's like you are deliberately trying to drag out the economic recovery while bumping off pensioners at the same time.
I think you'll find the economic and medical experts are on the same page. It's not a health vs economy argument.
The only people backing your argument are the crackpots at the IPA and the loons on Fox News. Your ability to ignore the economic and health evidence coming out of Brazil, USA, UK, Sweden etc is truly staggering. It's tin foil hat stuff.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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billythekid commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 9:57am

Again with the insults VL -

The only reason there's any economic crisis is 'cos economies have been shut down to stop people dying. There was no crisis before. Therefore, governments are prioritising avoiding the death of citizens above preserving the economic wellbeing of citizens. But for every 1% rise in US unemployment, there are 10 000 expected associated deaths. US unemployment goes from 3.5% to 15% - there's 115 000 unemployment related deaths. Expect its similar elsewhere

So VL, isn't this just exchanging one set of deaths for another set of deaths?

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billythekid commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 9:23am

VL where do you stand? Do you think it's worth a whole lot of unemployment and poverty amongst under 40 generation so that older generations dont get coronona virus and possibly die?

Its a fair question that goers to the ethics of this whole issue. Its exactly the question policy makers around the world are confronting.

So what about you? Can you confront this question? Where do you stand?

Stick your neck out and have an opinion not just a negative reaction to what someone says

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geek commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 9:37am

I think he’s made it pretty clear, he doesn’t want to sacrifice his parents/grandparents for the economy you psychopath

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billythekid commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 9:46am

Oh okay geek - so you think he does want his 30 yo neighbours with two toddlers to lose their house so that his parents/grandparents live? I'd like to hear VL make that stand

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geek commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 9:50am

Yes? I would

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billythekid commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 10:07am

Okay. That's your view.

I wouldn't. The reason I wouldn't is that I don't value life above everything else.

On balance I would value the prosperity and wellbeing of a young family for possibly the rest of their lives as being greater than an over 70s chance at an extra few years, some of which would, statistically, be in a nursing home.

I believe this is a basic human value - that in matters of survival the old must give way to the young simply because the old have experienced life already and the young haven't

This doesn't make me a psychopath

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Vic Local commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 9:51am

You want me to make a stand? Here it is. Listen to the medical and economic experts. Lock down hard and early. Reopen slowly and carefully. It's what NZ and Australia are doing.
I'm tipping nobody here is supporting your USA / Brazil option.

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garyg1412 commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 12:39pm

Billy I think you're missing the point here bud. I think the idea is to save all parts of the population, not just the old. Run a hypothetical scenario on your 30 yo neighbour where the father is the breadwinner, has no life insurance and gets mowed down by this virus. Now multiply that fact by whatever the statistics are saying about younger/middle aged people dying from this. Your economy MIGHT be looking sweet but those two toddlers have now lost their father and probably their house as well anyway. Just saying.

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Vic Local commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 11:39am

"My point is it’s one tragedy vs another."
That is simplistic nonsense.
This is a case of one tragedy (economic) under a hard lock down, or two tragedies (economic and health) under your free-for-all insanity.
NZ is starting to re-open their economy and their recovery is going to start soon. They are in way better shape than the USA who are looking at second and third waves of the virus which will further crush their broken economy.
Your herd immunity argument from a couple of weeks ago has been a complete failure. Come back to this forum in six months when NZ and Australia are back to some form of normality, and Americans and Brazillians are still dying in their tens of thousands and their economies are still basket cases.
You're a fool for not seeing the obvious and holding on to a failed argument.

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velocityjohnno commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 4:43pm

Just wanted to add a comment seeing as this comment thread has got to the thinnest the replies can get!

The other point is economic: now with this incredible oil supply AND demand shock, the virus doesn't matter as to what it will do to the world economy. The world economy's fate is now baked into the cake. I've spent the afternoon scaring myself silly with EROEI forecasts - that are coming true, now.

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Ben Harding commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 8:32pm

Vic local, If I may interupt haha, Ive noticed you are continually referencing Americas situation and statistics to support your point of view for what's happening here in Australia, why?

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billythekid commented Thursday, 23 Apr 2020 at 8:57pm

Not at 7am when that report was up

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tango commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 9:29am

It may not be busy up at Billy's Point inside the Barwon River, but it is absolutely chockers everywhere else. Nobody can recall crowds like the past week or so down here, except perhaps when there's been forecast epic conditions over the Xmas/NY week. Yesterday was mental and like the Gold Coast everywhere on the surf coast. People have nothing left to do but walk, run, ride or surf. Everyone is at home, and the number of locals in the water is severe enough without people travelling and adding to it.

Crowds are an important part of the surf report. Keep it up, Stu.

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billythekid commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 9:31am

The report was for Barwon Heads and it said it was busy but it wasn't busy at the time the report was posted so what's the deal with that? Thats all Im saying.

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views from the ... commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 9:18am

Hey I'll sacrifice anyone to get international travel and tourism going again right now!!!
Sorry friends.....and others.

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Vic Local commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 9:22am

Just heard a whisper that surfing is really close to being banned in Victoria. We've had good waves lately and the crowds have been insane. The police were out in force yesterday checking crowd numbers, and there's been articles in the local papers saying surfers are on notice over the weekend.
Pull your heads in Melbourne and Geelong people. Don't fucking travel to surf. If you fuckers come down in large numbers like the last swell, surfing will be banned.
About the only thing that could save the situation is a mean 10 foot swell that would keep all you pussies away.
Fitzroy "surfers" should stick to drinking soy lattes and zooming your hipster mates. Geelong "surfers" should stick to smoking bongs in Corio and ordering home-delivered bourbon from BWS. Don't fuck it up for everyone.

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Joff commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 4:39pm

So your argument is don't drive the 12 minutes from my "Geelong" residence to surf so that anyone with a 3228 can continue to enjoy it? Screw that!
I'll be going for several sessions over the weekend (by myself and will be adhering to all social distancing guidelines). It's my form of exercise and still legal to do so. If that means beaches are closed by government due to over-crowding, they will be closed for all. We're all in this together.
See you out there VL! (will leave the B&B's at home this weekend)

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Vic Local commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 5:09pm

You're a flog Joff. What part of don't travel to exercise do you not understand? This weekend is going to be a shit show. Offshore, inconsistent, and small enough for groms and kooks. The coast is filled with absolute sheep who aren't spreading out.
There's a shit load of locals who know the hammer could come down at any minute. They are putting the boards in the wrack this weekend. That doesn't mean the crowds aren't going to be silly. If you and your blowin mates cause beach closures, don't expect a warm welcome back when they reopen.

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Joff commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 5:40pm

From the DHHS:
"While it may be necessary to leave your immediate neighbourhood to undertake exercise, we’re asking Victorians – please use common sense and don’t travel any further than you have to."
Can't catch too many waves at Eastern beach so I'll be making the short drive to the closest exercise spot and adhering to guidelines.
Great to hear that the 3228's will be wracking their boards, should help cut down the crowds, I will say their opinion has never been at the forefront of my concerns though!. And the name calling tells me everything.

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Vic Local commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 5:58pm

I will let you in on a little secret. The crowds are going to be insane this weekend even with some of the locals choosing not to join the throng. I've just been for a run on the beach and the muppets have descended already. It's 2ft, shit, and packed. And by your logic, a surfer living in Albury could travel to his nearest spot for exercise too. People aren't using commonsense and surfing is very close to being banned. Since lockdown, I'd say crowds have increased by 30-40% and there are shitloads of new crew in the water. I heard a story about a mum who dropped six non-related groms from Geelong off at Jan Juc who then paddled out into a packed lineup. Young kooks causing mayhem at a major break and pure fucking idiocy from the parents. They got told to fuck off.
People are rightly worried, and if surfing gets banned, they will be justifiably furious.

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billythekid commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 10:23pm

The thing that gets me is you're not surfing anyway cos its part of your superiority act, so why do you care if surfing is banned? Wouldn't you want it banned to stop the spread etc? I mean, you've been crapping on saying people shouldn't be surfing at all, here and elsewhere, so why are you concerned if its banned? Because you care so much about people who want to surf? But you keep calling them idiots, selfish, muppets etc. Whats your agenda VL? I asked you what you stand for and I still don't really know. The only thing you seem to stand for is being the superior judgemental grump who criticises everyone else. But what about you? What do you really believe in here?

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Robo commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 7:52am

Man you Got a foul mouth. Do something about it Swellnet.

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billythekid commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 9:25am

"Just heard a whisper that surfing is really close to being banned in Victoria. We've had good waves lately and the crowds have been insane. The police were out in force yesterday checking crowd numbers, and there's been articles in the local papers saying surfers are on notice over the weekend."

This is a plain lie. Complete bullshit. Mean.

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Vic Local commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 9:46am

Bullshit? I don't Bullshit. (With thanks to the Blues Brothers)
"Authorities have urged local surfers to adhere to social distancing rules this Anzac Day weekend after concerns not all are following coronavirus regulations".
Geelong Advertiser yesterday.

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Patrick0710 commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 9:52am

Whispers ain't what they used to be ...

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billythekid commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 10:00am

VL nothing there about police fining. WHY NOT? Because police cant fine you for going for a surf. It's not illegal!!!

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billythekid commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 9:26am

If it gets banned it gets banned. Everyone has the right to surf while its legal to surf

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tango commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 8:09pm

Billy, that's complete and utter bullshit. Everyone has the right to be in their local part of the world, not to travel to other places and crowd out public places for recreation just because that's their chosen thing. Some people seem to get that. Some don't because they're just thinking about #1.

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views from the ... commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 9:27am

Anyway: 560 people per million people is the highest death of any proper nation thus far in Belgium.
The planet can handle a lot more.

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views from the ... commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 9:31am

It's gonna be pumping on the West Coast for a week as everyone knows.
Wish I could be there to indulge.
Enjoy :-))

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views from the ... commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 9:43am

Hey how many of the dead were primed to kick the bucket anyways?
Wheres those stats?
If your primed your primed...or unlucky...
C'est la Vie

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views from the ... commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 9:53am

From latest BBC news:
The WHO revealed a "deeply concerning" estimate that half of European Covid-19 deaths have occurred in care homes"
Primed

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BChap88 commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 2:56pm

Coogee absolutely packed today. Young kids in groups of 10+. We are almost there with regards to COVID decline. Close the beaches!

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Vic Local commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 3:20pm

Teenagers and 20 somethings have been ridiculous during this crisis. The cops should be slapping tickets on the super spreaders as soon as possible. Let them cry about $1600 fines on tik tok. Great way to deter others.

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BChap88 commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 3:25pm

I have just moved from Swansea after forced isolation. I can't believe the difference in attitudes between Newcastle to Sydney. I've lived in Coogee most of my life, and today was far busier than any normal Friday.

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Craig commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 3:28pm

And now closed, idiots.

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BChap88 commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 3:31pm

Commonsense prevails. I am taking a massive financial hit from this isolation, my mental state is extremely poor. If we have to make these sacrifices, make them as short as possible.

Really don't understand the government's thinking on this one. Retail closed - which financially impacts people - but let's open beaches when we know everyone - especially kids - at home is wanting something to do...

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Vic Local commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 3:32pm

I know, Australia could have this thing way under control in a month with a little discipline, but judging from the behaviour recently, it looks like the general public want to piss away all the gains made.
Don't fuck it up now folks.

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Ben Harding commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 8:38pm

Seriously? Opened them just to close them?

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Vic Local commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 8:48pm

Well that's what happens when the well-heeled eastern suburbs set can't behave responsibly.

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BChap88 commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 9:03pm

To be fair, Vic. I have lived here all my life. And the majority of people I saw were not locals. Very clearly English and Irish backpackers.

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Vic Local commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 10:03pm

Very poor form no matter where they come from.

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Robo commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 7:54am

Who’s racist now

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velocityjohnno commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 4:46pm

"Man chased on jet ski after attempting to outswim police
A swimmer at Coogee Beach attempted to evade police by swimming further and further away from land - only to be pursued and coerced back to shore by a lifeguard or beach security guard on a jet ski."

from the smh live feed:

https://www.smh.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-global-covid-19...

To our brave swimmer, I salute you. West Aussies, sing along:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m2T6Wl9nsE

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Johknee commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 5:20pm

VJ - Why was there no social distancing in the Swan ad? This is crazy!

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velocityjohnno commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 6:48pm

Back then the shoulder pads provided the required distance ;P

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Remigogo commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 7:18pm

Wasn't Brad Norris having a second shot at the crossing to Rotto was it, by any chance?

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velocityjohnno commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 10:04pm

Want a scary bedtime story that includes an infamous 1960's Rotto swim that went wrong?

http://unexplainedaustralia.com/21-ghosts-hauntings/60-the-alkimos-haunt...

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Kellya commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 11:41pm

Jug of super thanks.....2 glasses

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Swany commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 7:22pm

Damn it vic local you’re ruining swellnet. So sick of your noise.

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Vic Local commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 7:46pm

Oh boo hoo Swany. If you don't like my opinions don't read them. I'm more concerned about selfish surfers who are going to get the activity banned or spread this virus. Try and look at the bigger picture.

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Robo commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 7:58am

Can you go join coastal watch, we are sick of your foul mouthed rubbish. Your not a surfer just a trouble maker.

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tango commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 8:17pm

At the risk of appearing to piss in pockets, I'm on VL's side with this 99% of the time. It's a shame more people aren't doing the right thing, and it will be a damn shame if surfing is banned because too many people think they're special and allowed to travel to go surfing. "It's not against the law" and other associated shite is really missing the point. And it's not old-school localism at all. It's about not bloody travelling. Simple. Not from Melbourne to surf the Island or Bells, not from Torquay to go to Port Campbell. Not from Geelong to surf Posso. Not from Brisvegas to surf Noosa. Sydney to Sandon. Stay local and stop travelling further afield, you muppets.
I heard from a friend that mtn bikers got booked down here today driving down the Otways to go for a ride, so the fuzz must be losing patience. About time.

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mikehunt207 commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 11:14am

Not from Perth to Margaret River and Gracetown either , holiday homes and lineups are fuller than xmas holidays, more people surfing around here than ever before,

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Robo commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 7:55am

100% would be banned anywhere else. Do something swellnet or media will be drawn to it.

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Vic Local commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 8:42pm

Well said tango. I'd love to travel to the Otways or High Country to mountain bike, or head down south to surf, or go do some work in Melbourne, but I understand the don't travel message. I'm getting a little fed up with people who always have an excuse in their pockets for why they need to travel to surf.

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boogiefever commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 7:51am

Hypocrite.... You ride 60ks on ur pushbike spreading disease yet you want to stop a single person driving any distance to their local break.
A Current affair has more credibility than you....

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 8:17am

Here we go again. Another idiot who thinks the corona virus can be transmitted person to person when a rider is out in the middle of nowhere by himself.

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boogiefever commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 11:56am

C-19 travels by person. If you dont travel, you dont spread it. You ride 60ks to beat your strava time, stop for a coffee and a piss, a selfie here and there........and have selfishly helped the disease travel inter-suburb. Justify your behaviour all you want... Its wrong. Simple as that. No different to someone travelling solo by car to surf while complying with social distance rules. You're a Hypocrite. Just stay home...

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 12:06pm

No Boogie idiot, I don't stop for a piss, coffee, selfie, or ride inter-suburb. I ride alone out in farmland, pack everything I need, don't touch anything other than pedals and handlebars, and don't come close to anyone. But hey, thanks for making up completely bullshit ride details to justify a completely bullshit argument.
Please let me know how exactly covid-19 gets spread by people on their own, in the middle of nowhere, travelling at 30km/h and not touching anything. I will wait.

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boogiefever commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 1:13pm

Flat out hypocrite vic yokel....You're throwing punches at thin air. You wont allow people to travel to surf 'your local' spot yet u travel suburb to suburb for your lycra fix. I hope every victorian surfer invades your stuck up town.
You cant hide how silly you look.....wearing lycra or not.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 4:44pm

"suburb to suburb"? you're obviously not from around here boogie fever.
It's grazing country for literally hundreds of kilometres anywhere north and west of the town boundaries. There's no suburbs out where people ride. Just farms, forests and the occasional one horse country town that is easily by-passed via hundreds of country lanes.
Mad Max 1 was filmed out that way, because there's fuck out out there. Suburbs? FFS stop showing your ignorance.

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boogiefever commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 6:21pm

I guess your stupidity knows no boundaries.... Or suburbs... Or postcodes as you tried to implement on other beach-goers. Justify your idiocy by any means. You keep riding ur bike spreading germs and you will get ur mad max apocalypse. Stupid is as stupid does....hypocrite.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 6:23pm

How again am I spreading the virus being on my own in the middle of nowhere? I will wait.

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.cylinders commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 10:53pm

Mad Max 1.... hahaha you surf in Silverton NSW?

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lostdoggy commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 11:37pm

You're thinking of number 2

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.cylinders commented Monday, 27 Apr 2020 at 2:14am

I stand corrected. Sorry mate!

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ringmaster commented Monday, 27 Apr 2020 at 10:11am

Whatever..........Cundelini still wants his hand back

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mikehunt207 commented Monday, 27 Apr 2020 at 8:04pm

I though it was cundelini want his handbag??? The whole gay biker thing...

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Ben Harding commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 8:59pm

I really don't understand why the people on here who repeatedly try and tell people not to travel to surf get so outraged when appears no-one is listening...news flash they are not...week in week out it's the same mob commenting on every thread... Week in, week out, more and more people are traveling to the beach...have you not got the hint yet? People don't give a fuck about what you wish would happen and if they do, they clearly aren't coming on these swellnet forums to check-in to see what is kosher or not. Have a think about the analytics of a surf forecast website? Reckon every beach goer hits up a surf forecast before heading coastal? Highly doubt it. I bet they throws the kids and the boards in the car to get the fuck out off the house no matter what the surfs doing. There were literally hundreds of people at palmy last Saturday in one foot conditions. The surfboards justify there beach existence if queried. No point getting angry and who am I to begrudge someone who isn't as lucky as I am to live a street off the beach? I got lucky, thats all there is to it. I get that this site is a spot to vent frustrations, but it appears certain crew here are working themselves up in a lather over trying to control the actions of others, which is simply not possible. We are getting through this whether you like it or not, maybe some crew want this shit to go on and on, and on, maybe for reasons other than health. Those are my thoughts on this.

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lostdoggy commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 9:07pm

I find it quite hilarious to be honest.

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Remigogo commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 10:10pm

I am thinking one or two wanting to speed the inheritance process...

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Horas commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 10:47pm

It's not a virus causing the shutdown,it's the political response.We live in an age of hysteria and panic with vic local leading the way.The earth has been around for a looong time and always soldiers on.Hey Vic ,you really are Commo Dans main Stasi man are'nt ya? Get a dog up ya.

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billythekid commented Friday, 24 Apr 2020 at 11:23pm

Let's just face it - most of us are getting coronavirus, its just a question of when.

So how many of us will die?

3231401 Australians aged 20-29 x 0.2% mortality rate= 6462 dead
3265538 Australians aged 30-39 x 0.2% mortality rate= 6531 dead
3164714 Australians aged 40-49 x 0.4% mortality rate= 12658 dead
2977889 Australians aged 50-59 x 1.3% mortality rate= 38712 dead
2488395 Australians aged 60-69 x 3.6% mortality rate= 89582 dead
1540392 Australians aged 70-79 x 8% mortality rate= 123231 dead
947402 Australians aged 80+ x 14.8% mortality rate = 140215 dead

This tells us that while only 25651 Australians under 50 will die from coronavirus, 353028 Australians over 60 will die from it.

So how many Australians under 50 will lose their jobs as a result of economic shutdown? Well over a million. How many of these won't recover - ie will suffer prolonged economic hardship? Unknown. If it's just 20% that's a lifetime of pain for 200 000.

Can we stop coronavirus? Can we live in a bubble with closed borders? Live with social distancing and temperature checks, and closed schools and businesses and free govt money and facemasks and hand sanitiser forever?

If the answer is no, then lets just hurry up and die already

(Population figures from 2016 census, mortality rate from The Epidemiological Characteristics of an Outbreak of 2019 Novel Coronavirus Diseases (COVID-19) - China CCDC, February 17 2020)

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Vic Local commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 9:25am

I see you're still living in the fantasy land where the Australian government can click it's fingers, get rid of social distancing, and the economy magically recovers. I can just see people packing out cafes with sick people saying "Don't worry, billythekid said this is the best way of dealing with the health problem and it's good for the economy". You've taken libertarian delusions to an entirely new level.
You seem like the type of person who stockpiles chloroquine and has just rushed off to the shops for some Detol and a syringe.

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tango commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 9:37am

"This tells us that while only 25651 Australians under 50 will die from coronavirus, 353028 Australians over 60 will die from it.
So how many Australians under 50 will lose their jobs as a result of economic shutdown?"

I just can't believe that you think 25000 deaths is trivial....just collateral damage for this thing. And you sound quite OK about over 350,000 people over 60 dying from it. Statements like that are so utterly selfish, macabre and offensive they make VL's F-bombs pale to insignificance.

Quoting numbers is not only simplistic, but is patently absurd given the uncertainty about mortality rates and the evolving body of evidence about how this bug works. And to quote figures from mid-Feb when this was just getting going and the government of the research organisation responsible had only just admitted there was a problem after trying to actively cover it up and mislead the world.

Not to mention the implications of a second or third wave of it.

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billythekid commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 10:02am

Tango I just presented the data as it stands. Challenge it with other data but don’t shoot the messenger

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tango commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 9:58pm

A fair point. I don't think data from China from that far back can be called current, though. Or reliable, as I intimated.

Here's one from early April.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2239497-why-we-still-dont-know-what...

"What is clear is that there is no one answer: the risk depends on your age, sex, health and the care you receive if you become severely ill. In other words, death rates will vary from place to place and over the course of the pandemic."

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icandig commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 9:14am

"Hurry up and die already."

O.k Billy. This is a little dramatic, but let's start with you and your family, your friends, your neighbours and sadly your children. You are the only one left alive. Just you. Stop and ponder that for a minute.

Before they die, the military will need to tend to their medical needs - as health workers are all dead or sick too. The military will try to keep them alive for as long as possible in a tent city, let's say Torquay foreshore as hospitals can't cope. Guess what - you can't visit.

When they are all dead bag them all up and put them in a temporary morgue in the nearest cold storage. After that give them a mass burial along with all of the other dead people.

You're good with stats, you whine about economic fallout (yes - I get that it's a real issue), but you appear to lack empathy unless it's for you getting a surf or your children buying a house.

As much as VL's vulgarities and blatant localism jar, he appears to have a pretty good point. His approach is generally one for the greater good.

I can't get on your train mate, you're just too selfish.

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Vic Local commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 9:37am

"you're just too selfish".
You've hit the nail on the head icandig. That's the Libertarian way. They don't want to make any personal sacrifices, but are happy for others to pay the consequences for their freedom. In this case, old people and medical professionals can pay the ultimate price so billthekid can go surfing anywhere he wants and get a cafe meal.
I suspect billythekid's real name might be "Richard Pusey".

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billythekid commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 9:35am

“If the answer is no, then lets just hurry up and die already“ is what I wrote.

Notice the first part - “if the answer is no”

Don’t quote me out of context and then tell me it’s what I was saying

We’re all catching this anyway, that’s the point. And the stats I’ve given are facts not my opinion. I’m just laying it out. Bringing some clarity and facts to this discussion which seems dominated by emotional virtue signalling judging and chest thumping

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Vic Local commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 9:39am

"We’re all catching this anyway, that’s the point"
Bullshit Richard / Billy. Go look at the figures. Australia can keep these numbers really low or non-existent just as long as we don't have too many people like you.

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icandig commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 10:03am

1. Can we stop coronavirus?
No. But we can slow the spread and minimise human damage and also potentially minimise economic damage.

2. Can we live in a bubble with closed borders?
Yes, we are now and we can do it for a while yet.

3. Live with social distancing and temperature checks, and closed schools and businesses and free govt money and facemasks and hand sanitiser forever?

No. We won't have to, but it will be a while yet.

4. If the answer is no, then lets just hurry up and die already."
Have you really pondered the implications of this statement Billy? If this virus was likely to affect you or your families health and morbidity in a personal and significant way (as it has with others in the world), would your position change?

It's not a black and white argument. It's not Economy vs Death/Disease.
It's both together. It's all of the little intricacies in between. It's a social and economic balance. Your arguments are just far too one sided.

Straw man out.

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billythekid commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 10:17am

Well, I guess we disagree there. Fundamentally, it is economy vs death/disease. It’s that brutal.

Policy makers have tried to strike a balance. I don’t think our democracy will agree with the balance when job keeper and job seeker run out

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velocityjohnno commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 5:20pm

Hey Billy, I don't think we get a chance between one or the other any more. The virus shock has fed into an oil shock that's about to really do some damage to the world economy. We should be way better off in Oz, but look beyond us to mass company insolvencies and whole country insolvencies. Prepare for that & good luck. Oz is doing well, reducing cases to low levels and putting in a safety net for many. They will begin re-opening things within Australia, and maybe between NZ and Aus, in time. They've negotiated it really well. But it's what's about to go on outside Oz that will be more disruptive.

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icandig commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 5:39pm

You avoided my question Billy.

4. If the answer is no, then lets just hurry up and die already."

Have you really pondered the implications of this statement Billy? If this virus was likely to affect you or your families health and morbidity in a personal and significant way (as it has with others in the world), would your position change?

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billythekid commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 6:42pm

No. I have a 2% chance of dying. I upped my life insurance

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icandig commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 7:07pm

Brings me back to the first and most poignant point.
Selfish.

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icandig commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 7:35pm

and while I'm at it...(yes I know I'm replying to my own post), but let's apply your theory in a different way.

I'm taking liberties, but please indulge me.... If, as you propose let the virus have it's way, let it infect all and sundry. Then it's survival of the fittest. All the old, infirm, immunosuppressed, feeble, weak and fuck it, why not red heads and people who dye their hair purple - let em die. Then you and your offspring get to enjoy the fruits of an abundant and flourishing economy.

The worst case scenario that I've seen or heard is 20% unemployed. Very bad - the worst since the depression. I don't wish to underestimate its impact - it's heart wrenching for some. But that also means that 80% of people who want to work are actually employed. The economy owes you and your brood nothing. Retrain, be agile and flexible. Eek out a living outside your normal boundaries. In short - survival of the fittest. I'm pretty sure you and your household are still eating 3 meals a day, texting mates, filling up the car with petrol and watching Netflix on the flat screen. You come in to this world with the same opportunities as everybody else. Especially in Australia.

First world problems for you mate.

Stop whining and teach your kids resilience.

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billythekid commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 9:12pm

Icandig your worst case scenario of 20% unemployed is the effect of lockdown, not of corona virus deaths. Your point is confused.

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icandig commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 6:16am

You want to split hairs, whatever. Sweden predicts hitting in excess of 13 % unemployment by the end of the year and a drop of 10% GDP. My point is clear. Whatever the scenario, death or unemployment it's survival of the fittest. If you were in a situation where you might die would your approach be different? You constantly bleat about the lack of opportunity for young kids due to a depressed economy. Adapt, survive...and you are still avoiding my question.

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icandig commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 10:56am

**edit- oops. posted in the wrong spot.

My answer to your question: Yes - it benefits you. You are looking after your family and providing for them if you die. That allows you peace of mind, it's a side effect of your generosity.

But guess what? At the present moment you ARE here and you keep avoiding my original question.

If this virus was likely to affect you or your families health and morbidity in a personal and significant way (as it has with others in the world), would your position change?

Let me reword / paraphrase to make this more simple for you.

If there were a chance you, your wife, your son or your daughter might catch this virus and potentially die.
Would your position change?

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billythekid commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 12:03pm

Icandig I answered this above, no avoid.

But to be clear, everyone has a chance of dying from corona virus. Just like everyone has a chance of dying from a car crash. I think people should be free to choose how they respond to the risks. That's my view and it doesn't change because I or people I'm close to may die. So no, if my wife and kids could potentially die my position doesn't change. They could potentially die of a lot of things.

I believe that eventually, most people will get coronavirus. Jenny Mikakos said this a few weeks back. The reason I believe it is that unless a vaccine is found, life will be pretty unbearable constantly guarding against infections and the majority of people will say stuff it, I'll take my chances.

If that's true, then we should just hurry up and get it before sending everything backwards for the majority of people. People who feel its too risky can isolate themselves. I think my projected deaths by population age groups above showed that the majority of population will experience the minority of deaths, and yet they will suffer the majority of economic fallout. You think this is OK. I dont. I think people should be free to choose if they want this.

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icandig commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 12:34pm

Thanks for the honest response (finally) - you answered for yourself above, not your family. I hope I took this somewhat circular discussion in a different direction and I feel like I understand your position a bit better. Having said that, I am happy to disagree with it. You fail to acknowledge the interconnections of virus and the impact on the economy regardless of the approach. Australia's way is to look after it's people as humanely as possible. You can't make direct comparisons, but I'm sure as hell glad I'm not an American at the moment. I'm done with this thread for a bit. I wish you and your family the best health and a speedy economic recovery.

P.S. I still think you are selfish.

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billythekid commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 10:05am

Right Icandig- I accept I have a pretty high chance of dying and upped my life insurance because that benefits me??!!

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billythekid commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 9:42am

And by the way, I have a lot of empathy for the 1 million unemployed and their kids

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Vic Local commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 9:44am

Haven't you worked it out that there will be that many unemployed people (probably much more) if you had your way and the virus spread throughout Australia over the next year or two?

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billythekid commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 9:51am

No I haven’t VL. People dying as per the figures above will lower not raise the unemployment rate as jobs vacancies will increase.

Basic economics.

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Vic Local commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 10:43am

Spare me your amateur lectures on economics billy/Richard. I taught the subject to uni students in the 90s.
Deaths on that scale would crush consumer and business confidence, and drive people indoors anyway. You have this amazing inability to mis-understand basic human behaviour while relying on made up statistics.
I think you'll find the vast majority of Australians don't share your bleak "infect grandpa to save the economy" ideas. Most Australians subscribe to the common good and don't want to infect other people.
If you got your way and infection/death rates went up do you A) think people would retreat into their own homes or B) celebrate the infection/death increase by going to the pub and reduce social distancing?
In terms of employment, you would see some sectors (funerals / online booze / mental health) have more staff, but the rest of the economy would be massively impacted by your idiotic scheme.
I couldn't care less if your social darwinism only impacted you, but your mad ideas (according to your figures) would put a third of a million people in their graves AND ENSURE ECONOMIC RECOVERY STARTED MUCH LATER.

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billythekid commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 8:53pm

VL, you were an economics lecturer? I doubt it, but if so, I'm glad you stopped lecturing because your judgemental narrow-minded approach really has no place in a uni.

Deaths on the scale as outlined wouldn't crush consumer and business confidence because the vast majority of the deaths are over 70s who are the minority of consumers. There are relatively few deaths amongst the age groups that consume the most and drive the economy

And they're not figures I made up. The sources are acknowledged.

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Vic Local commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 10:23pm

I was a first year and international student economics tutor in my final year, selected by the university, due to high marks.
You just don't get it. Economics isn't just dry number crunching. It's also dependent on human behaviour. Do you seriously think the general public would react normally if the hospital system collapsed and temporary morgues are getting set up? Have a look at the response when people thought they might run out of toilet paper. Utter panic, causing supply chains to falter.
Have a look what is happening in the USA. Food supply chains are breaking down because corona virus is infecting multiple workers in huge meat processing factories. That's forcing meat prices up and reducing employment / revenue for delivery drivers, meat processors, and farmers. And then chuck in unions, who simply aren't going to let dangerous work sites stay open or re-open.
Do you seriously think people are going to travel to hot spot areas? NYC's tourism and hospitality industries would be completely fucked with or without restrictions. Even if countries reopened their ports to cruise ships tomorrow, that industry would still be fucked because people don't want to die. I can't believe I have to explain this to you. You're just going to have to understand that very few people think like you, and a medical crisis would have serious economic effects. The economic crisis and health crisis are linked, no matter what you think.
People simply aren't going to watch death on a war-time scale and health systems collapsing and think, geez, it's a good time for a cafe meal and an international holiday. (you excepted).

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billythekid commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 11:10pm

Younger people will take their chances. That's human behaviour for you. They spend money on cafes and entertainment and other bullshit. Only people your age are worried: people who tutored in the 90s and are now too old and fat to surf so they wanna stop everyone else surfing because they're so worried they're gonna die. Selfish older people.

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Vic Local commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 10:55am

Surf Report from the Surf Coast. 3ft and fucking packed. 30 people out at Bird Rock on that tiny takeoff spot, and overflowing carparks all along the coast. I've never seen it that crowded.
Surfcoast Shire are seriously considering banning surfing, reports are in the papers telling surfers to social distance or else, and the police helicopter just did a flyover the reefs.
Right when restrictions should start getting lifted, there's a really strong chance surfing will get banned. I'm one of many local surfers who have stopped surfing / massively cutback on time in the water, and we may be paying for the selfishness / stupidity of others. Thanks a fucking lot idiots.

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Frodge commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 11:38am

VL
You and others have been saying for weeks now that it’s going to get banned, we’ve read about it time and time again, along with your surf ‘car park’ reports.
If it didn’t get banned after Easter, it’s not getting banned now, especially given how we’re are managing COVID numbers.
If it does - you were right, but if it’s not banned by Monday, can you promise us all - no more complaints about numbers and comments that’s it’s going to get banned?
I bet, once we get passed COVID you’ll still be complaining about numbers.
Also, my money is majority at the rock are ‘locals’

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Vic Local commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 3:12pm

Frodge, I'm actually really surprised surfing hasn't been banned and golf has. Seems very inconsistent to me.
The reality is, no politician, no matter where they sit on the political spectrum wants to ban surfing. The fact that local and state politicians are still firing warning shots across the bow when infection rates are going down is a really big red flag. We are on their radar. The fact surfing hasn't been banned is despite surfer behaviour not because of it.
Politicians would be looking at four key areas when it comes to their surfer ban decision.
1. Overall infection rates and trends (something that is determined by everyone in Australia / Victoria.
2. The number of surfers in the water.
3. Whether surfers are distancing in the water.
4. Whether surfers are travelling to the coast to surf.
When it comes to the collective behaviour of surfers (2,3,4), there's nothing politicians could point to and say, see, surfers are getting the message and changing their behaviour.
The only thing that is stopping a surfing ban in Victoria is point 1. Hopefully the colder water, bigger swells, and shit waves on the weekends will keep the mob away and we can get off the radar.
If there is a second wave of infections, especially if it happens in coastal areas, I don't think the, "We will be different this time" excuse is going to cut it.
Oh and yes, most of the Rock surfers would be locals. Some really should know better too.

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billythekid commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 9:20pm

VL your points 1-4 are just made up! They're just your opinion. You've said nothing of any real substance, again. You "should know better" like the locals at the rock.

BTW golf is banned because its played in fours. Thats a group that is larger than the acceptable group of two. Being in a group is not an integral part of surfing, so no need to ban surfing.

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Robo commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 1:11pm

lol, Do you think they are on here reading your foul mouthed scare mongering?

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billythekid commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 8:56pm

But VL you don't care if surfing gets banned cos you're not surfing now anyway, your such a good citizen

I, in the other hand, surfed today from 1-5.30. It was awesome. Went all glassy as the light fell., Good size. Total magic.

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views from the ... commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 11:22am

Watched some locals absolutely tear the bags off it today on 3ft beachies.
Consistently landing perfect aerial 360's x 2 per wave plus driving bottom turns to slashes off the top and with speed.
Very impressive. Watch this crop continue the charge...

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belly commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 1:53pm

I've been ignoring threads like this for while but my takeout from skimming the comments; it's ok to drive from Geelong to the surf coast for exercise (because everyone will catch it eventually blah blah) - wow, just wow.
Guess it's ok for me to drive from Queanbeyan to the Bateman's coast then, no difference, in fact I'm sure I'd have much less chance of interacting with anyone than I would on the surf coast (and yes I used to be a semi-local in those parts).
I'm with VL, Tango, icandig (+) seems like plenty of #1 justification happening..

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Robo commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 2:26pm

It's only a problem if in or near a city, the rest of us are doing ok.

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mikehunt207 commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 5:27pm

Disregarding the real justification behind billythekids ongoing argument to do as he pleases and fuck the rest of everyone else who are stupidly trying to do the right thing (mostly).
Billy if you get you way, the oldies die , how is that going to save the 30year olds that havent been able to afford to buy a house in years anyhow? They havent in a great many cases been bothered to do a trade or finish a uni degree, many are really hard to employ ( I have tried on many occasions) being phone obsessed,cant be on time, in many cases entitled millennials who live up the smashed avocado sterotype (not always but I,ve been through a fair few and end up with 40-50 year olds again and again and this is in the construction industry ) .I guess the inheritance that come from dead nan and pa might help some? I guess if the economy falls apart house prices may drop also but credit will be tougher to get, especially for those with poor or no credit history, the overseas "investors" (lets not name countries here) will swoop like vultures, again .How will this fix all the problems of your / our kids?
Ive been out of this for a while but reading this continued discourse is sounding like a broken record. Did you see that porsche guy in Melbourne that was involved in the Police crash? All he could do was rant about "his "car and then take photos for FB and fuck off. That is how billys point of view come across in this (and other) threads here.
You can come back, call me stupid , say I,m attacking you - whatever mate but all points and no answers except rehashing to justify your selfish attitude.

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Remigogo commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 6:09pm

I am backing mikehunt207 on this one...

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Robo commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 6:43pm

This has all been argued before in the threads that were closed, same people posting same things again on both sides.

Clean it up Ben/Stu and do something about the free for all filthy language.

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Johknee commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 7:18pm

Feck off Robo!

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Robo commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 7:21pm

Same to you goose

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Johknee commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 7:29pm

Same what?

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stunet commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 8:22pm

Robo,

I've been following the threads fairly closely and there's no need for censorship. Perhaps it's my fondness for blue singlets, but F-bomb emphasis doesn't make me blink and, trying to look at it objectively, I don't think Vic Local's language strays far from public acceptance these days.

Robust? Most definitely.

Filthy? I dont agree.

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Robo commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 8:39pm

Guess that’s the type of member you are trying to attract then ,it’s working.

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icandig commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 9:45pm

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Robo commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 9:02pm

And your a tool

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icandig commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 9:45pm

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Robo commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 7:50am

You started it so that makes you the troll, maybe look up what it means, stay off the meth.

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stunet commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 9:02pm

VL isn't a member, at least not a paid up one.

At any rate, it's got nought to do with belonging or supporting us or whatever, more that you'll encounter similar language spending a night in watching Netflix. The old taboos dont exist anymore.

I dont want people to feel uncomfortable on Swellnet, but I think people should be able to express themselves in a manner commensurate with accepted discourse - and that includes the odd swear word.

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Vic Local commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 9:20pm

Wow Robo.
There's a couple of people posting endless racist comments on this site during a time when race hate crimes are going through the roof due to the Corona Virus. There's one bloke arguing that a third of a million Australians should die so the economy can reopen, and another bloke threatened to come down a bash someone, and you are worried about a few F Bombs. You're fucking weird mate.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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Robo commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 7:54am

You don’t even pay to be on here, typical, go away.

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Robo commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 7:53am

Even worse you let someone who is too tight to cough off up $$ rant foul mouthed trash all over your forums. Excellent.

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Justasurfbum commented Monday, 27 Apr 2020 at 6:52am

"express themselves in a manner commensurate with accepted discourse"
Interesting that profanity in public is considered, 'acceptable discourse' now, I wasn't aware of that.

I have heard the odd local homeless fire-up similarly and quite regularly in pubic without getting arrested so I guess VL's onlline Tourette's syndrome on a pubic forum is just another example of the new normal.

Personally, I think it's pretty sad behaviour, but whatever?
Unsurprisingly, the wife is horrified and kids are not given access which is a bit of a shame.

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Johknee commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 9:03pm

Hey Robo, sorry mate. I was trolling you.

Seeing as though this thread bores you, how about we derail it and chat about why you think colourful language is inappropriate in public forums?

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Remigogo commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 9:49pm

There is this rendition by IZ of 'somewhere over the rainbow '.

https://youtu.be/V1bFr2SWP1I

I would rather...

At the other side of this, together with our living family...

As complete.

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icandig commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 7:59pm

This made me happy and sad at the same time.

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adam12 commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 8:04pm

WaPo reporting today about large numbers of asymptomatic 30 to 40 year olds positive Covid 19 having massive strokes. Seems the virus attacks the blood in younger victims. Neurosurgeon talks about removing a clot only to watch new ones form "in front of my eyes. Never seen that before."

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billythekid commented Saturday, 25 Apr 2020 at 9:06pm

May need to update the 30-39 mortality rate

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belly commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 7:59am

Sub Thread 1: current policy agree / disagree
Sub Thread 2: personal choices

Re 2 if you're travelling to surf own it, 1 and 2 are two different but related things.

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velocityjohnno commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 12:05pm

https://news.yahoo.com/no-evidence-previous-covid-patients-180057959.html

WHO 'No Evidence that previous COVID patients have immunity'

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Robo commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 12:17pm

Sorry about all the stupid comments guys and to any one i offended, not going real well.
No exuse though.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 12:33pm

Sorry right back at you Robo. I should not have been so brutal. Reach out to friends and family or professional mental health services if you are really struggling. Good luck, VL.

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icandig commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 12:36pm

Wow. Finally some love on the thread. Peace to you to Robo. Take care.

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BChap88 commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 9:10pm

Feeling you, Robo. We will get through it. Hang in mate. Walking has helped me.

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tango commented Sunday, 26 Apr 2020 at 10:01pm

A shite situation all round, mate. Lots of crew aren't doing too well, and it's easy to let fly on a forum like this. Specially when we can use pseudonyms. Hope you come up soon.

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.cylinders commented Monday, 27 Apr 2020 at 2:03am

Polarising ideologies are the real enemy here. As long as people like Billy and Vic go at it, we miss the opportunity to find a new way forward through intelligent discourse. I get that you both think that what you're doing is intelligent discourse, but I'd counter that it is actually much more like taking turns hitting each other over the head with your favourite mallet, hoping the other guy realises how much nicer your mallet is... eventually.

The media have everyone jumped up on cortisol from their non-stop fear mongering. What we do know is that cortisol greatly reduces the capacity of the immune system in fighting off disease. Regardless of your opinions, turn off the TV and be kind to your fellow humans.

Equanimity is what we need now, more than ever. Be your own judge of truth and allow others to have a different truth. It will all work out in the end, nature will see to that one way or another. How painful that process is, is the only part that is up to us.

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icandig commented Monday, 27 Apr 2020 at 6:13am

Thank you .cylinders. I couldn't agree more. This is best post on the thread.

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Roystein commented Monday, 27 Apr 2020 at 7:33am

Well put together

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Goofy4 commented Monday, 27 Apr 2020 at 7:54am

Nicely said cylinders - the only additional observation I'd make is that we also need one thing more than ever and that is altruism - the very nature of this virus sees the propensity to think about the best interests of others ( elders, chronically ill, those we know, those we don't know etc etc) coming to the fore. The opportunity exists, as I guess it did for the Diggers, to learn how to move beyond thinking for ourselves and onto the next stage of thinking about the best interests of others.

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Swany commented Monday, 27 Apr 2020 at 9:05am

Bravo!

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Vic Local commented Monday, 27 Apr 2020 at 10:10am

Some good points Cylinders. I'm not trying to convince billythekid he is wrong. That's impossible: not because he is right, but because he refuses to see the bleeding obvious.
Billythekid's ideas are so profoundly dangerous, they need to be exposed with a vigorous critique. I'm just trying to ensure his mad opinions don't become commonplace. The health of Australians and our economy simply requires the vast majority of Australians to reject billy's stupidity. If he had his way, Australia would be in the same position as the USA, UK and Brazil. And I don't think anyone here (except Billy) wants that to happen.

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velocityjohnno commented Monday, 27 Apr 2020 at 6:23pm

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/premier-announces-just-two-new-coron...

"Bondi, Bronte and Tamarama beaches will reopen on Tuesday morning but for local swimmers and surfers only.

Waverley mayor Paula Masselos said residents will be able to swim or surf at the beaches in Sydney's eastern suburbs between 7am and 5pm on weekdays.

There will be designated entry and exit points at each beach.

The mayor said the "swim and go" and "surf and go" measures were strictly for Waverley residents and people from further afield were unwelcome.

"Our beaches remain closed to all land-based activities including social gatherings, sunbaking, walking and jogging," Ms Masselos said on Monday. "

Further, NSW Premier added comments:

"The partial reopening of the beaches comes as NSW recorded just two new cases of coronavirus after 4400 tests were conducted on Sunday. Premier Gladys Berejiklian said COVID-19 restrictions will be eased in stages, with rollbacks to be announced twice a month.

"This position of control exists in very few places in the world and it comes down to the number of tests we've done, the number of things we've put in place, now it is time to look at what we can ease and we are definitely in that space," Ms Berejiklian told 2GB on Monday afternoon."

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truebluebasher commented Friday, 1 May 2020 at 5:53pm

Oz International Surfing resumes this weekend...with all sports being equal then yes!

PM Quarantine pardoned religious Borders/Travel/Cruises/Flights/Prisoners

PM Quarantine pardon once again extends to his beloved Footy religion...

3rd April PM is allowing international flights for his evangelical NZ NRL mob.

OZ Dictatorship where the Chosen One makes & breaks his own rules...
Not a believer or in his Church...then his Flock will restrict you from walking on their path.
Praise the Lord for Scomo's Kingdom of God...(re: House arrest for us non believers!)