A Tasmanian's view of corona

Mick Lawrence
Swellnet Dispatch

“When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro"

Those are the words Hunter S. Thompson used to describe what happens when the world turns to shit, and over the past few weeks our world has turned to shit.

Down here in Tassie, the land of the weird, we seized the moment and turned pro. We told tens of thousands of tourists to go home, raised the drawbridge and stuck up the 'Locals Only' sign. A declaration to the world that we were no longer part of the Global Village.

Right now is the best time of the year for surf in Tasmania. The water is still warm-ish and the great Southern Ocean is moving out of hibernation. Many locals saw the silver lining, no longer packed with hoards of tourists, the lineups would revert to the old days, just you and your mates exercising at a safe social distance.

Self isolation, Tassie style.

Last Saturday that all changed. It was your classic autumn day, warm, sunny, offshore with a head high groundswell. Not only were the local surf beaches packed, boat ramps everywhere were overflowing and the roads leading out of Hobart were near gridlock with folk going for a drive.

Apparently this holiday vibe wasn't just a local thing either. From Snapper Rocks to Bells, to Margaret River, everyone in the Land of Oz went into a last drinks-style frenzy. Facebook and online surf forums around the nation lit up and leading the charge were the locals. Those who took the view that if you drove to the beach, you should turn around and go back home.

In the new Corona world, the beach was the sole realm of those who lived there.

Now you can argue the pros and cons of the hard core 'locals only' attitude all you like, personally I subscribe to the idea that the beach belongs to everyone, however, the Government doesn't agree with either side of the argument. They've decided it belongs to them. As of now, all Tasmanian surf beaches under state control are closed indefinitely, with no indication of under what circumstances they will be opened.

Down here it's a beach lockdown.

Which is all very bloody confusing. We're told very clearly what we can do. You can shop and exercise as long as you abide by social distancing guidelines and meetings are restricted to two, or your own family. Yet you can't surf on state-managed beaches, even with your kids, because the beach is closed. Step on the sand and you wear an on spot fine, even if you haven't a job anymore.

When this thing is over, and it will be, experience tells me that the natives will be looking for someone to blame, no matter the end result. Either lockdown was the right call, but you stuffed up my life, or, lockdown was the wrong call and you stuffed up my life.

There are no winners here.

// MICK LAWRENCE
   CLIFTON BEACH
   TASMANIA

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crg commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 10:15am

I think that we will be the only universal thing we will all agree upon. When this is all over everyone will be pointing the finger and assigning blame.

I'm not cheap,
But I'm free.

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dayzoff commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 8:40pm

If you drive to a quiet beach by yourself with a full tank of gas, a packed lunch, your own water, have a surf, mix with no one else, then drive an hour home, you are apparently doing something wrong? But if you walk constant laps of a park in the city with a friend and 100s of others doing the same thing then that is fine. what a fuckin joke!!!

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billythekid commented Friday, 3 Apr 2020 at 7:01am

totally agree... lets just hurry up and die already....not worth trashing the economy and having our young people develop mental health issues cos they cant do anything except sit in the garage and play playstation. I mean, if someone asked for the keys to your house so you could save ten people you didn't know, would you hand them over? no one would, but that's what were being made to do

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Numbatt commented Friday, 3 Apr 2020 at 10:01am

Blame the big pharmaceutical labs.
What else do we have to pay for, oh yeah, internet. 5g correlation with this cold.

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shortenism commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 10:26am

Careful what you wish for

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Ape Anonymous commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 10:29am
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crg commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 11:33am

""The best response to COVID-19 remains a fiscal one, supported by liquidity measures," said Callam Pickering, APAC economist at global job site Indeed."

Wow! And there I was thinking this was a health issue.

I'm not cheap,
But I'm free.

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Ape Anonymous commented Friday, 3 Apr 2020 at 9:50am

Yeah, until you look at the details.. cough.. oil war in the middle east.. cough.. international nazis get together and make social policies that tank the economy (well, small businesses anyway).. cough.. socio economic status directly related to health outcomes.. cough.. royal medical facilities are great.. cough.... rich get super rich and the poor die alone... cough... gee, it's really sick world we live in ;-)

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seen commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 7:16pm

Yeah.... Saudis are tanking hard

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Goofy4 commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 10:55am

"Either lockdown was the right call, but you stuffed up my life, or, lockdown was the wrong call and you stuffed up my life...."
Or Perhaps:
Lockdown was the right call and it saved lives, or, lockdown was the wrong call and I was inconvenienced for a period of time and this required adjusting to unprecedented circumstances

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Steve Hovey commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 11:21am

Lockdown went too far.. Activities that are not a breach of the lockdown guidelines of no more than 2 people, should be allowed. IE - surfing, golf, motorcycle riding, fishing - boat or landbased,, etc. These recreational activities are essential for the mental and physical health for many people. Mental health will be a Big problem if the lockdown continues for too long, How long? I have no idea, it will be different for different people.

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Womble123 commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 11:24am

Totally agree - and then thousands of idiots went to Bondi and sat next to each other.... ruined it for us all.

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indo-dreaming commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 1:20pm

100%

I think its just come down to the fact its easier to say stop all these things than try to police them.

Please Stunet give me an ignore button for Talking Turkey, Shatners Basoon, Dale Cooper, Factotum, Pupkin, and any new fake profile he decides to create.

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Goofy4 commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 2:10pm

Sort of curious and confused as to how 2 people surfing works in practice? What if there's a 20 plus 2 people going surfing at the same spot for a wave situation? What if there's only 2 or 3 peaks ? Looked at some of the Tas media regarding the weekend and there was footage and images of a beach that was in gridlock, which would appear to be the approach that many will take unless the situation is managed - unfortunately it looks like there's enough people who won't do the right thing for it to impact on everyone. You only need a couple of superspreaders for things to escalate very quickly - that's irrefutable and it sounds like Tassie may be about to find out if that's happened there recently. Sure, 2 people can go for a surf but how far is it ok to drive to do so? What about the need to fuel up, stock up on food for the trip etc - does this moving around add to the risk? I've always heard that there's generally a lot of driving involved in getting regular waves in Tas - now doesn't see the time for this sort of thing....I'd much rather be hearing from bodies like Surfing Australia, its state bodies and surfing elders encouraging surfers to play their part, lay low and be getting info out on how to look after yourself and others, your mental health, how to keep in surf shape via online vids etc...there seems to be an opportunity to take a bit of leadership here and get this over with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UKVzr7v1gM

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Blowin commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 2:44pm

Surfing Australia ?

The death of that unrepresentative business model would be a very good thing indeed.

Fuckers who usurp the political good will of the nation’s surfers whilst simultaneously knifing them in the back by creating as much pressure on lineups as possible and encouraging the commercialisation of our beaches .....pack of cunts is a kind description.

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Goofy4 commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 3:13pm

The reference was made to Surfing Australia and State bodies because the author is president of Surfing Tas and I assumed the article reflects the views of that body to some extent...there's an article in The Mercury today about ST wanting South Arm reopened....ok if that's their position but maybe a revealing of interests would help here...also reading the article and their social media atm and for mine there's an absence of explanation as to what they reckon is the way to manage crowds at the local beaches atm - the point I was getting at is that some leadership could be exercised - there's no comment from them anywhere speaking to surfers about the crowds on the weekend at a couple of the locals, Clifton and Park Beach...have a mate who lives near Roaring Beach who says the same thing happened there on the weekend - over an hour drive out of Hobart and not a carpark available...maybe the closures have to do with that sort of crap going down?

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Blowin commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 3:31pm

Surfing Australia and its state bodies aren’t leaders. They don’t represent surfers and have never made any attempt to engage with the surfers of Australia beyond that which will enrich them or other businesses parasitic to the act of surfing.

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Blackdog commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 6:43pm

Hear hear Blowin. Dicks to them I say, Old boy.

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dangerouskook2000 commented Wednesday, 8 Apr 2020 at 8:50pm

Plus 1 Blowin. Bunch of arse punchers the Fucken lot of them. Make new waves you fucken selfish cunts.

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Mick Lawrence commented Friday, 3 Apr 2020 at 6:09am

Correct Goofy4, I am also President of Surfing Tasmania. That's no secret, nor was there any intent of concealment of interests. My article was a personal reflection.

I'm not sure how you came to your conclusion, but the point of my article and the Mercury story you refer to, is not as you claim, to open South Arm beaches. Neither is that the position of Surfing Tasmania.

The problem here is we have a mixed message.

Surfing is now illegal at Clifton Beach yet legal at Cremorne Beach a mere kilometre away. One assumes that the reason it's illegal at Clifton Beach is that surfing there has a high risk of communal transfer of the virus. My question is why can you surf Cremorne?

When it comes to leadership I beg to differ. Surfing Tasmania has a strong grass roots connection and advocates strongly on their behalf on local matters. We also have strong partnerships with many government agencies. Our website is one of the top rated sporting websites in the state and provides regular updates on surfing issues.
Last weekend it was inundated with queries as to where people could and couldn't surf.

On Monday in my role as President of Surfing Tasmania, I wrote to the premier seeking clarity on exactly where and under what conditions surfing was now legal in Tasmania. To date we have received no reply. When we do, we will advise our members accordingly.

Personally, I think last weekend's crowd scenes was merely a last drinks frenzy. There is a different, surreal mood hovering over the island now. Reality is sinking in.

If it was my call, I would have banned surfing weeks ago when we raised the drawbridge. Anyone who believes you can maintain social distance while surfing is either a hermit or delusional.

I hope that has cleared things up a bit for you Goofy4, certainly weird times, but it will pass and the vast majority of us will survive. Hopefully we will put the lockdown to good use and come out the other end with a wiser understanding of what's important and what's not.

All the best to you, your family and community. If you need help in how to navigate through the unimaginable, check out my film about Tassie on Vimeo on Demand - Rogue Waves.

Stay safe.
Mick Lawrence

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freeride76 commented Friday, 3 Apr 2020 at 6:25am

" Anyone who believes you can maintain social distance while surfing is either a hermit or delusional."

I live in one of the most densely surfed coasts in Aus and I'm going surfing with my family for physical and mental health every day for 30minutes. Haven't been within a hundred metres of anybody. There's miles and miles and miles of open beaches. Stay away from the points and it's easy.

Surely Tasmania would be the same?

Anyhow best of luck, look forwards to watching your film Mick.

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Goofy4 commented Friday, 3 Apr 2020 at 12:46pm

Thanks heaps for the reply and clarification Michael - by way of feedback, From a distance, I did find the message being conveyed across The Mercury and the Surfing Tas Facebook page rather confusing...I could partly understand your take on mixed govt messages about different beaches and activities being open and shut and seeking clarity - on the other hand the ST social media appeared to be saying that beaches in Vic were all open so why not Tassies.......and it seems that quite a few were jumping on this latter point to voice grievances about loss of rights etc.......not so sure about the weekend debacle being a last gasp for all as there's still quite a few lineups here in Vic that have solid numbers on the same peak.....by way of id - I had no previous idea of who you were or your SurfTas status until yesterday via links to The Merc.....and now have your film on cue to watch...the trailers look fantastic....and best wishes to you

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Nick Bone commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 11:44am

Why is the spirit still running?

I am the bone

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epictard commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 11:57am

People returning home and supplies ...

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The only passengers who will be permitted to travel on board Spirit of Tasmania are those who meet the following criteria:

Tasmanian residents returning to Tasmania;
Essential Travellers to Tasmania;
Freight operators; and
Passengers travelling to the mainland from Tasmania.

https://www.spiritoftasmania.com.au/coronavirus

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Blowin commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 1:11pm

“Down here in Tassie, the land of the weird, we seized the moment and turned pro. We told tens of thousands of tourists to go home, raised the drawbridge and stuck up the 'Locals Only' sign. A declaration to the world that we were no longer part of the Global Village.”

Wuflu or no Wuflu , the Tasmania you once knew was going to change.

Your “ Global village “ is a euphemism for selling off the land around you to whoever came bearing cash first . Whether it was wealthy Americans, Russians or Singaporeans it makes no difference. Neoliberalism was going to steal the birthright of the locals from them by the square metre till the grand children of today’s generation were renters and wage slaves in their own land.

This virus may be a blessing. It’s an opportunity to reconsider what we place the highest values upon.

Without the virus there was a good chance that Tassie would have been just another Chinese colony in a decade.

For those who think that they face poverty without the foreign investment, without the overseas buyers and without the tourism given precedence over locals in order to attract their money , I would have you realise that the only true materialist poverty is to be landless.

Real estate is the only true wealth.

Neoliberalism at heart is the art of separating people from entitlement to their homelands

http://press-files.anu.edu.au/downloads/press/n2414/pdf/ch12.pdf

PS Mick ....I think you’ll find that the winners are the large proportion of Tasmanians who are elderly or vulnerable and who may get to survive because the virus didn’t spread too far.

Try and find a beach which isn’t state managed. I’m sure a Tassie local can find somewhere quiet to surf without jeopardising lives.

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mr mick commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 2:04pm

Real estate and.......gold!

Mr mick

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Blowin commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 2:48pm

Can’t grow food with gold. Can’t hunt game or catch fish on a gold reef.

Gold MIGHT buy you land and that’s the best you can hope for.

Gold is artificially elevated in price and it’s scarcity is an abstract concept.

Gold is a tool used to purchase real estate.

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velocityjohnno commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 4:49pm

See how long you can hunt or catch fish on your land if you don't pay your rates.
Real Estate = Royal's estate.

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Blowin commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 5:08pm

That’s right.

The Queen knows where the real value is....that’s why she owns all the land.

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velocityjohnno commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 5:17pm

Yep. For her it's a good thing. Anyway it's all cycles. It could be fun to plot All Ords/gold or RE/Gold over 100 years when locked down...

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Blowin commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 6:01pm

Nah , mate.

I’m talking about worth not price.

That’s why the IMF is trying to diminish the concept of communal ownership of land in PNG.

If the land is owned by a collective of people who regards it as intrinsically tied to their lives then there’s no opportunity to parcel it into smaller pieces and then rent it back to the locals which is the ultimate aim of neoliberalism.

Australian Aborigines had the same relationship to the land. Obviously unacceptable.

When the locals own the land they don’t need money as everything is available to them for free . This is also unacceptable.....how can you enslave people with debt if they don’t need anything ?

The solution is to introduce private land ownership and everything snowballs from there.

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Blowin commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 6:16pm

VJ ....I do think the gold price will go gangbusters when they try to eliminate this pile of debt through inflation though.

Puts another spin on the current situation when you consider the Chinese government’s recent gold buying spree don’t you think ?

PS ....are you Bnich of the April solar extreme ?

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velocityjohnno commented Friday, 3 Apr 2020 at 4:52pm

That communal ownership of land, look up the Enclosure Acts as well...
Gold calls to account all the fiat debt created, happens infrequently, but memorably.
Not sure of Bnich - is it a person, or an event? You'll have to point me in a direction. I'm aware of stuff like Grand Solar Minimum and precipitous drop in solar output, the large outer planets being aligned on the non-sun side of earth in 2024 (thus pulling us away, solar energy received dependent on how far away, so if you get pulled further away...) & even right up to the Great Year and eradication of civilisations at certain crossroads (start of Age of Leo, also, now). Try saying any of that in the forums here and you get CO2'd. April solar extreme would be nice actually, delay onset of winter with this virus around.

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mr mick commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 5:59pm

Gold is the go to in times of low confidence, panic & mis trust of the banking system. Cash can become worthless, look at Zimbabwe, Venezuela, Hitler & Germany, the Jews, the list goes on. Look at the prepers, they store food, guns, fuel, gold. Gold is the safe haven when other investments fail. Noticed I said real estate AND gold.

Mr mick

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velocityjohnno commented Friday, 3 Apr 2020 at 4:53pm

I read that 700oz of silver bought an entire block in the CBD in the Weimar panic...

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H2O commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 12:53pm

Blowin, Sounds like you've read Heather Rose's novel "Bruny . If you haven't grab a copy. Its a page turner , style a bit annoying at first ,but it rockets along. Got the lot - real estate, politicians Chinese - all in Tasmania.

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Blowin commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 1:24pm

H2O....Bruny looks interesting.

Thanks for the heads up.

https://theconversation.com/bruny-review-heather-roses-new-book-has-a-se...

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freeride76 commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 12:56pm

I'll take the opposing view, based on the data.

The longer this goes on, the more it looks like Australia's staged but not complete lockdowns; to enforce social distancing, have been a good move.

Locking access to beaches is a big step too far.

Good luck Mick and everyone in Tasmania.

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emrico1 commented Tuesday, 7 Apr 2020 at 11:40am

Agreed.

Especially when they have left a couple of beaches open, focusing the crowd potentially making matters much worse.

Be like NSW and allow surfing and walking on the beach but not hanging out and maintain social distance as much as possible.

Lets be sensible and put measures in place that are maintainable for the long haul.

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Blackdog commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 1:00pm

Hahaaa Look at what corona has done to us all! We have all gone MAD! It seems that here in Australia covid-19 is much much more of a mental illness than a physical illness. Fights at the shops for poo tickets, arguments over who is and who is not allowed to surf, people acting with no regard or compassion for their fallow Australians. Not to mention the depressed mental state of 100s of thousands of people because we can no longer partake in the leasure activity’s that usually keep us sane and smiling... The now unemployed, the people that have lost loved ones, And list goes on....
People are going to completely loose their shit if this goes on for much longer!
Being a bachelor I find it hard to get a root at the best of times. What damage is the covid19 blueball syndrome doing to the single people’s (of Australia) mental health?? Unfortunately My wanga is not 1.7 meters long, that’s 1.5m for social distancing and 200mm to do the job! The bloody tissue shortage isn’t helping!
All we can do peoples, is try and make at least one stranger laugh every day...

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Ape Anonymous commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 3:12pm

Being insane is endemic to being human.
Being single and not having a 1.7m long cock - also endemic.
At least STDs rates will subside, infections heal properly, so when we get back into the ensuing fuck fest 2020 it should be a (at least initially) healthy Spring Break WOOOOO!!!!!

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Blackdog commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 3:59pm

Fuck yeah... It's gunna go off like a milk truck hitting a brick wall!!!

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velocityjohnno commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 4:03pm

My mate Mick
Had a 10 foot dick
He threwitoverthefencetoshowtheladynextdoor
She thought it was a snake
Hit it with a rake
Now it's only two foot four

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Bnkref commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 3:18pm

Post of the day Blackdog

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velocityjohnno commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 4:31pm

Regarding the blueball stuff -
the conspiracy theory side of the internet is running stories that the virus attacks testicles (search for that yourself). The same conspiracy nutters were on about biolab releases in January and it's only taken the MSM 8 weeks to raise these stories, they are getting quicker.
And a Geelong brothel just got busted for the social distancing stuff:
https://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/news/national/vic-brothel-fined-aft...

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shortenism commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 1:38pm

Check out the Australian today, 'Witch burning cure will be deadlier than the virus' . Bang on, good to see some common sense and genuine questions starting to bubble up on this hysteria.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/witchburning-cure-will-be-de...

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Blowin commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 2:02pm

Yeah,I went through the vacillations of this issue again this morning. If the economy was ready to be sacrificed to save lives then we could do it for annual road deaths ( (1.35 M ) , Tobacco deaths ( 8 M ) , Alcohol deaths ( 3 million ) . Even poor diet ( 11 million ).

That’s a lot of deaths we could have prevented by means less onerous than shutting down the global economy. 24 Million deaths right there !

But then I did a few other calculations.

7.6 Billion people. If 60 percent catch the virus and 3 percent of them die it equals to 136 Million deaths.

And that’s its first time around. There is still no guaranteed immunity.

And in the meantime we are halting carbon emissions thus slowing the anthropological component of climate change. We are also redressing global supply chains to ensure that carbon emissions will be permanently addressed.

And the cost to you Shortenism ?

More time spent with your family and free money until permanent solutions are arrived at.

Chill out and kick back If you’re getting hysterical.

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stunet commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 2:29pm

136 million deaths but I could miss the swell of the season at the point?

Sorry mate, you'll have to do better than that.

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warddy commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 5:53pm

Hey Stu
isnt it funny that the Main Stream Media are now running scare campaigns that this years flu season iis going to be the worst yet and go out and get your shots.....
I would of thought with the fucking restrictions theyve put in now it should be our least infected season in decades .....
never trust the MSM

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Island Bay commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 3:06pm

Good to do different scenarios, but don't forget to compare them with what's happening in real life.

Italy is the worst hit, so far at least, and they have 218 dead pr million population.. They have peaked and are coming out of winter, so let's say 300 dead pr MIO. 300/1000000 x 7.6 billion = 2.3mio. Very different from 136 million.

As a forecaster relying on many different models I have learned to never trust just one model, and to keep doing these reality checks. Model A said 200mm of rain at 10-20mm/hr? Well, observed intensities are only 5-10mm/hr, so you adjust downwards a bit, or vice versa.

Now, if we see Italy going nuts again after their initial peak, then you start to really worry, but so far no country has displayed anything near 60% infection rates and 3% dead.

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Blowin commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 3:33pm

Come on , mate.

You’re talking about the situation after the most stringent preventive actions of modern times have been enacted.

You sound like a fella saying that we don’t have a mouse problem and never did now that the mouse traps caught 300 mice.

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Island Bay commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 3:40pm

Don't think so. Italy was very late to impose any strict measures. And you can't run a worst case model/scenario based on what would happen if everybody started from scratch and made all the stupid mistakes.

What I'm really stressing is that we have to keep comparing our thinking and modelling with what's happening.

Not a Covid denier or anything like it. I've just gotten really allergic to the lack of scientific rigour in the messaging here in NZ.

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Goofy4 commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 4:14pm

IB - Is the approach in Vo, Italy similar to what's going on in NZ and do the outcomes there provide some reference point?
https://www.livescience.com/small-italian-town-cuts-coronavirus-cases-te...

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Island Bay commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 6:15pm

I wish, Goofy4!

I've been hoping for massive testing, but only yesterday did the government announce ramping testing up to 3-4000/day. There are logistical hiccups, though.

We are under a blanket lockdown - sick, healthy, suspected cases, the lot. Which, I think, is ok if you are all of a sudden desperate and looking to buy time. (The government was, and fair enough) That's what I think happened, but not enough has been done in the first week of lockdown to isolate the sick and positive.

Hopefully that happens quicksmart, as we still only have 800 or so cases out of 5mio. That's with lots of Kiwis coming back the last few weeks, so mostly imported cases, and only 1% confirmed community transmission.

Wish us luck! I'm feeling very uneasy under lockdown and State of Emergency and police with unbridled powers. Unprecedented clamp down on civil liberties.

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seen commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 7:22pm

We will have a fight on our hands getting civil liberties back. I think your leaders will be ok, ours less so here in oz.

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poo-man commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 8:15pm

I'm feeling really uneasy too IB. Just so little testing and still they haven't clamped down on the border where nearly all cases are coming in. And only 1 dead after 800 cases......how come so low? As every day goes by the sample size is growing and it's looking more and more overblown here or is there way worse to come?

poo-man

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Stok commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 3:36pm

Death rate no where near 3%. More like 0.66%.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/30/health/coronavirus-lower-death-rate/i...

Also, There's no strong evidence showing re-infection.

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Blowin commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 3:43pm

OK , Stok , Island Bay and Shortenism.

What’s it all about then ?

Believe me , I come at this from every angle every day. There is a stage in every single day when I think it’s a beat up masking some great intent . But then I switch back to believing it’s very real .

You guys are obviously sceptical. Then what’s the agenda ? What is the purpose and who is behind it ? What is the goal ?

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Island Bay commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 3:51pm

I made a completely non-sceptical comment, Blowin. I was simply highlighting the need to make constant reality checks. That is not being done in the media, and it's not happening from officials in NZ either.

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Island Bay commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 3:54pm

It's fucken real alright, Blowin. The question is how bad, and how ugly the cure has to be.

I've been waiting and hoping for a proper debate in NZ about what we're trying to do. About how many deaths are acceptable. Not happening. Are we hoping to keep it under 10, 100, 1000? At what cost to unemployment, domestic abuse, suicide?

No sceptic, just seeking debate, and not getting it in NZ.

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poo-man commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 9:08pm

Yep couldn't agree more IB, where's the debate about it. We were told tens of thousands of kiwis would die if we didn't do the lockdown and we've got 1 at the moment and economic carnage

poo-man

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freeride76 commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 5:04pm

Yep, models and information needs constant sanity checking.

as we've seen with the infamous Imperial College modelling.

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Stok commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 3:58pm

Not sure what the agenda is, but I just interjected as I don't like seeing overly pessimistic and somewhat incorrect statistics which will only lead to further panic/alarm.

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shoogsyboy commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 1:45pm

what about national parks? just asking coz its looking like bloody backpackers hanging around surf spots might yet have WA govt. doing the same

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shortenism commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 1:51pm

Hahaaha blackdog hang in there

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Solitude commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 1:52pm

I'm curious, anyone down there find a quiet wave this week?

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Goofy4 commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 3:31pm

it's the ones who chose to surf in crowded conditions that i'm curious about....

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seen commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 7:24pm

The recent flurry of super bank activity Over thr last 2 weeks will be an interesting little case study to follow...

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velocityjohnno commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 4:14pm

Virus > global village

In fact it trashes it.

We're reaching the community spread stage here on the mainland, if that gets out of the bag well it won't be fun. Tassie has an incredible advantage - isolation - for goodness sake, use it! Down to local levels, isolate the virus and kill it off.

As for beaches and surfing, it's been interesting to follow the stages here on SN, 1)hey, I could do my indo trip in the desert woot! road trip 2) hey this is a bit serious think I'll just surf local 3) hey this is really serious if you all come here so does the virus/man I gotta be able to travel (cough) it's exercise and good for my mental health and hey crew you came down too, woot! we're all surfing together like buds should! 4) five different people just told me I can and can't surf, what to make of it?!

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Goofy4 commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 4:42pm

They've got a degree of isolation down there but it looks like the state of isolation wasn't taken advantage of until after the horse had bolted, thus making it an open question as to how far the virus has spread around their state....no one knows yet how this is gonna play out there or elsewhere. Two infected tourists toured the state for a couple of weeks going to every populated hot spot....they've just found out.
https://www.facebook.com/abchobart/photos/a.120745234217/101588137951442...

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velocityjohnno commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 4:35pm

bugger

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stunet commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 8:12pm

Blackdog...jeez mate...you need a shorter leash.

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Blackdog commented Friday, 3 Apr 2020 at 12:59am

GURRR WOOF WOOF!

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jayet-010 commented Friday, 3 Apr 2020 at 11:57am

Black dog
Has blue balls
Causing red rage

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snakeman commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 8:34pm

I'm one local taswegan won't be looking to someone to blame when this is all over. I'll be thankful to those who made some tough decisions(some right, some wrong) and to those who are working tirelessly to implement them. Chances are here in Tassy we will be able to get back in the water a little quicker than others. In the meantime, let's accept what's been dealt us and show some consideration for others.

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tango commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2020 at 10:48pm

On the bright side, if there is one, maybe you could focus on the matter of clarity, Mick.

Your beaches are closed, like NZ, and everyone knows what that means: no surfing. Most people are probably even going to abide by it for the time being.

In Victoria, we have the invidious situation where the beaches are closed, people are being told not to travel and to stay home but you can still surf. Certain breaks have still been busy, others not so busy. An inkling of sustainability, almost. With good waves on the cards this weekend, we are likely to be inundated with people from outside the area and surfing may well be banned in response to crowding. If it's going to be banned, do we go for one as well, or do we stay out of the water to try and reduce numbers so it doesn't get banned, only to have it banned anyway? What would a Taswegan do with the benefit of the experience of the Tassie lockdown?

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Mick Lawrence commented Friday, 3 Apr 2020 at 6:15am

Stay in your bunker mate. Surf on the Inside, it's unreal. Always perfect and offshore, seldom crowded and you never fall off!

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saltyheaven commented Friday, 3 Apr 2020 at 6:07pm

Hi Mick,
I'm down in Eaglehawk. Local folk here have been able to walk on the beach and swim unharrassed since this all started. There's rarely more than a few people and a dog or two on the whole stretch, so really no problems imaginable unless the Police/Rangers feel particularly mean.
All the surfers I know here have made a commitment to just enjoy Eaglehawk for what it is for now - usually unsurfable 1 foot closeouts, very occasionally fun waves.
We had some of those fun waves this morning. More than a few guys made the drive out from town, resulting in more than enough activity in the car park and in the water to draw attention had the Police/Ranger come by.
Many that live here are concerned that the added activity of surfers from afar, in the event of a proper decent East swell, will end the tolerance for local folk to simply enjoy walking the beach.

Would you consider using your position to appeal to surfers to enjoy their local area for the time being rather than the usual Tassie thing where we all travel quite some distance to end up at the handful of places with a wave on any given day?

Cheers and Thanks.

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truebluebasher commented Friday, 3 Apr 2020 at 12:37am

Premier's are exploring Private Beach Resort access to compensate for pool loss.
Yes it is true + we even pay mobsters a couple $100m to take a MP off our hands.

No shortage of Penthouse Pros to lock up (Locals only)Corona Surf Reserves.
Pretty sure every Surfing Australia /State based address is on the "The Beach".
SA local $1000 'Caddy Shack Timeshare', reckon yer 2 x 2m line up is now exclusive
SA surfers swear allegiance to WSL. Any WSR is yours from then on...nuthin' Suss!
"How's that WSR legislation going...what do yer mean it's all sorted?"

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shortenism commented Friday, 3 Apr 2020 at 9:22am

Just back on the grid and you asked Blowin.. Where's it going? Its all a scam, we've been had mate. A classic false flag.

1. Create a problem = announce a pandemic for a virus that is really difficult to test for (currently +80% false i.e. 4 in 5 tested will test positive), results from 'stressed cells' so if you have cells under stress then you probably have the virus in you, its normal. It isn't even transferable body to body (i'll come back to that) but tell the people there will be people dropping in the streets.

2. Get a reaction = mass hysteria and shit the bed style response, toilet paper gone, people jumping on the '#stayathome' bandwagon calling out their fellow humans for seeking sunshine and ocean; and

3. Bring in a solution = Vaccinations, tighter laws, better person tracking, introduction of micro-chips to monitor movements, temperature for at risk activities. You wait I bet an at risk activity will be anything <1.5m so if you wanna fly, go to a shopping center, go to a concert etc you will need a vaccination and to prove it you will need an invisible tattoo, like the one your dog has when it got de-sexed. Johnson & Johnson just announced 1 billion vaccinations to be rolled out, Bayer? A European patent for Corona Virus lodged in Nov 2019.. Check out who took seats on the Google Board about 6 months ago? Big pharma, Ya reckon your naturopath still comes up page one when you search for a remedy?

End game = micro-chipped population, connected to the IoT via 5G network.

You asked.

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velocityjohnno commented Friday, 3 Apr 2020 at 5:03pm

A convenient ending indeed.

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tango commented Friday, 3 Apr 2020 at 8:26pm

Shortenism, I do love a good conspiracy theory, but you need to back it up with something substantial or it just does across as unhinged/

By the way, my wife is a GP doing swabs and she has no idea what you're referring to with the 80% false positive issue. Again, some science could be handy.

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shortenism commented Saturday, 4 Apr 2020 at 11:17am

G'day tango, this vid covers it. Get your wife to have a watch with you. Be interested in her thoughts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9H-uMZqn0w

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tango commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 11:24am

Thanks Shortenism,

I watched the first 5 minutes and decided I'm not going to put my wife through it. She's "Zoomed Out" with work as it is, and I'm not going to risk the marriage asking her to watch a youtube Zoome meeting. If it were George Clooney and co conducting it I may have better odds.

This bloke may well be onto something, but at the moment it seems that it is only the anti-vax, 5G, deep state crew on about it. Which is not to say it isn't worth checking out. However, I'll wait until it hits the in-trays of the established experts and is taken seriously by them. As I said in a response to Mishad, the stakes are as high as they get with this, and if this is fair-dinkum then the medicos will be all over it as a matter of self-preservation.

I'd add that if it were a decent theory, he could have it written up, peer reviewed and published in The Lancet very quickly in the current context.

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Mishad commented Saturday, 4 Apr 2020 at 9:03pm

Try this mate. And please have your wife take a look at it and maybe talk us off the cliff. Because this is alarming study if true.

This study has found an 80% false positive test results for the COVID-19 in asymptotmatic individuals with standard nucleic acid testing in China. The main testing going on world wide is reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction (rRT-PCR) testing which is a form of nucleic acid testing (unless I'm misinformed), which is defined in the study.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32133832

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epictard commented Saturday, 4 Apr 2020 at 11:01pm

Article is withdrawn.

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shortenism commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 8:12am

The other alarming bit by Andrew Kaufman M.D. is that that the COVID-19 molecular characteristics are exactly the same as the Exosomes naturally excreting from cells when they are 'stressed'. This would suggest that the more people's cells are stressed, the more of these exosomes with the same characteristics as COVID-19 get released and hence detected. Good for the stats and justification of this madness.

If this is the case, then I cannot see anytime soon that this will end. Because the more people don't get sunlight, lose their jobs, retirement funds, houses etc along with more exposure to the 5G network as that increasingly comes on, the more our cells will stress and release exosomes that we are told is evil COVID19.

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epictard commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 8:26am

HA! Some people are tin-foilers aren't they?!

Look, this animal has four legs, a tail, two eyes and a mouth with teeth and eats small birds. Experts are saying it is a lizard.
But I am a Dr of something unrelated to the topic and I know that cats have four legs, a tail, two eyes and a mouth with teeth and eat small birds. By my (non-expert) understanding this means that the thing you are calling a lizard is actually a cat.

And, even though I admit there is no evidence and only mental patients agree with me, the reason you think thy are lizards is because of 5G radiation.

tl~dr
Just because two things look the same to the untrained eye does not make them the same.

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shortenism commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 8:41am

Yep they are epictard and good on them. Doesn't mean they are wrong. But I can see you are trying to discredit any such look beyond the main line your fed. Uncomfortable epictard? Puts you outside your comfort zone? Fight or flight kicked in ei? I reckon you would run us off a cliff at the sight of a spider but that's just a guess...

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freeride76 commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 9:17am

No flight or fight.

Just calling BS on people too stupid and uneducated to realise when they are being sold a pup.

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epictard commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 9:26am

Thanks Free, exactly.

Short, as for this "I reckon you would run us off a cliff at the sight of a spider"
- I would ask an arachnologist how dangerous it was and what is the best course of action.

What I would not do is listen to a guy in an unrelated field of study with little or no first hand experience with spiders who suggests some wild and totally unsupported theory, then start spouting it like he is some kind of expert.

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shortenism commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 12:29pm

Ironically, just went for a walk along the cliff, its fresh and some rain, which is nice in these parts. Anyway, back on the grid now.

Epictard and Freeride If you guys are ok with it from here i'll refer to you as freetard (just easier).

I'm glad you got to put a few minutes into it freetard but i'm calling BS on that story about your wife being an MD and tired and all that. Just between us.. Is the 'pup' you speak of the one that suggests humans DONT have the ability to think for ourselves to be open to information and to be able to process limitless possibility? I would agree with that, that's been drilled into humans for ever.

Needing an arachnologist to tell ya whether its poisonous or not tells me by the time you get the answer, you and it will be long gone. Has anyone who is scared of spiders or has arachnophobia ever cared about whether or not its poisonous? And yep if you did have two arachnologists in a room you could find an argument between the two, squabling over what species it really is, when the basic fact remains it scared ya.

The concept around exosomes is pretty straight forward. Lets agree is an excretion /discharge from cells under stress? Any arguments? Maybe ask your tired wife that one?

Yep we need the next layer of unbiased independent experts to really unpack it and debate it. Many are, just do the research, but you will have to dig because as we all know its getting harder to find and shit is getting pulled down or pushed back in search queue's. This was a good intro vid, to get the idea opened and to that, I think its working. I did note mention of his research being under peer review currently so lets see what comes of that.

Lastly, the thing you underestimate freetard is the realm beyond science, the matter between it and people's ability to know when shit aint right. You can feel it. How many people have said 'it seems weird', 'it doesn't make sense'. There's a knowing there, ya cant argue with that but hard to prove too.

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freeride76 commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 1:23pm

If you finished grade 10 science, you'd realise it doesn't work according to people's "feels".

Save your breath writing back to me mate, my life's too short to waste time reading conspiracy shit propagated by dumb cunts too stupid too even realise how stupid they are.

good luck and stay safe.

#sheeple #thinkforyourself #doyourownresearch

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shortenism commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 1:25pm

No worries free, a bit heavy on the name calling and all that, but tells a lot about where ya at. Thanks for the well wishes. Hang in there buddy.

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freeride76 commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 2:02pm

Your right, sorry about that. No need for it.
it's all good here, plenty of fresh fish and veggies in the garden.
all the best.

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epictard commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 2:13pm

There are things in your last paragraph that sum up your entire dialogue perfectly.

"the realm beyond science"
- Cartoons? Or do you mean things that science has not yet discovered / worked out?
- Hopefully the latter. I certainly do not underestimate the amount of information that is yet to be discovered by scientists. It is a very big universe.

"How many people have said 'it seems weird', 'it doesn't make sense'."
- Everyone who is not educated enough to understand the topic, and therein lies your problem.
- This is the same sense that flat-Earthers use to prop up their nonsense.
- I trust that you are not one of them. Please do yourself a favour and don't use their arguments, it diminishes any chance of people accepting your credibility and by proxy those whose study you are pushing.

"people's ability to know when shit aint right. You can feel it."
- What is this psychic ability called? Here's a list, maybe you have discovered a new one?
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_psychic_abilities
- Have you seen that documentary Men Who Stare at Goats ... I suggest you watch it, very informative.

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shortenism commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 8:08pm

Haha, you're a classic epic! just like freeride with people like you its no wonder a few can so easily control the many... Your head so far up your right/wrong ass that any uncertainty is sure to give you a hemorrhoid.

Do me and your fellow man, woman and beast a favor and before you take one more stab at an alternative theory to the mainstream dribble and research three things for me. You don't even have to be a scientist for this and I know you are time poor so have given you the answers (no cheating).

1. Who funds the World Health Organisation (WHO)?
2. Who is the WHO's major financial backer (and ultimate controller)?
3. Who is lining up to deliver literally billions of COVID-19 vaccinations under more than likely a mandatory vaccination program globally?

Answer 1 = in 1948 the WHO was established & funded by various governments but de-regulation / privatisation caught up in the 70's and today the WHO receives ~85% of its funding from big pharma and corporations

Answer 2 = Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation

Answer 3 = Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation

In conclusion you don't have to be Einstein to know that this is a scam of monumental proportions.

I can hear Sco-Mo warming up his tune to this one as we speak. But why? How? Who is the WHO again??

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epictard commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 10:20pm

Are you shining a negative light on the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation?
They saved my life. I have no more time for you.

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tango commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 11:10am

Thanks for the link, Mishad.

Re the link - I see that it is withdrawn. The NLM site says that "Journals may retract or withdraw articles based on information from their authors, academic or institutional sponsor, editor or publisher, because of pervasive error or unsubstantiated or irreproducible data. ..."
https://www.nlm.nih.gov/bsd/policy/errata.html

That essentially says that there is something amiss with the paper. At the risk of kicking a hornet's nest, I don't ascribe any real confidence to anything coming out of China about this virus. I know that reads badly, but until I see peer-reviewed information through a truly respected and independent source my jury is out.

If you can show me something from a reputable source I'll happily go through it.

As for my better half going through papers - her spirit is willing, but at the moment I'm not going to load her up with stuff like this. My point was that she is quite well-plugged-into the medical community and this is not an issue on the radar. If it were, I suspect that there would be a lot of medicos questioning the need for testing and placing themselves in harm's way.

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Mishad commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 3:25pm

Thanks for taking the time to have a look. I wouldn't expect anything less than accepting peer reviewed papers normally, but in this time, time is of the essence and there seems to be a scramble to get tests and vaccines out, perhaps skipping due diligence in the process. It raised questions for me on the design of the test in the withdrawn study and the design of the tests that are being used world wide. If there is a way to find that out, with solid science and sampling data, then I would be very interested. Until then I'll remain skeptical of any test offered me until it can be verified in it's reliability.

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Distracted commented Friday, 3 Apr 2020 at 9:02am

The cops have been busy fining people in NSW for not complying with social distancing requests. Bloke eating a kebab on a bench . Two blokes having a drink on a bench.

Is this seriously for public health. Looks like the cops are using their additional powers to hand out tickets to whoever they want using Public Health as an excuse.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/coronavirus/man-eating-kebab-issued-dolla...

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shortenism commented Friday, 3 Apr 2020 at 11:52am

Further to this, a great short vid querying the ability of the Corona Virus to be able to spread human to human just got removed by Youtube. So its not just our physical freedoms being removed its also what we are able to read and watch. What is ever wrong with a healthy debate and enquirey into the facts?? A sure sign of whats at play here.

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shortenism commented Friday, 3 Apr 2020 at 9:19am

Lost the plot

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saltyone commented Saturday, 4 Apr 2020 at 8:36am

The plot’s so thick I can’t breathe !

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lostdoggy commented Friday, 3 Apr 2020 at 4:13pm

Someone with the embed skilz might want to help out here.
Malibu with no crowd.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B-f1QS1nBm5/?igshid=7p4isf2cjft4

https://www.instagram.com/p/B-c008uj47e/?igshid=b6ihp0n3xgig

The length they went to to arrest the SUPper is hilarious

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velocityjohnno commented Friday, 3 Apr 2020 at 5:17pm

Baywatch enforcing SUP ban with big boats inshore, gold!

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t-diddy commented Saturday, 4 Apr 2020 at 1:17pm

That is actually just fucking ridiculous

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Optimist commented Saturday, 4 Apr 2020 at 3:02am

Beaches off limits? Perhaps the French have the answer to your boredom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xZ4rd93JrM

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barreldogs commented Saturday, 4 Apr 2020 at 11:59am

Yes Mick, it’s the confusion that’s doing my head in. I live in Cremorne, so I can surf here if the swell gets big enough, and people in Howrah can walk their dogs on the beach. I can drive the 18km to hang out with 500 others in Bunnings, but can’t drive the 10 km to surf goats or sandpits which at this time of year can see nobody on the beach at first light. I can go into Coles where they don’t offer hand sanitiser at the door and touch products touched by god knows how many other non disinfected hands, but the national parks are shut so I can’t go for a bush walk where I can easily stay 1.5m from any other humans trying to get in to the great outdoors. My work is non essential, but I work alone in my workshop, so am I allowed to go to work? I’m certainly not eligible for any government payouts, so I kinda have to keep working. As a matter of interest, is there anywhere that I can go on a daily basis to see an actual list of can and cannot do’s? On a side note, I haven’t surfed since Feb 23rd, and I gotta say, it’s doing my fucking head in.

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Mick Lawrence commented Saturday, 4 Apr 2020 at 12:07pm

If it's any consolation noticed where beaches in Bali closed.

Imagine living at Ulu watching empty barrels roll by. That would do your head in.

Could be a lot worse, wouldn't grieve too much over a Cliffy closeout.

Hang in there barreldog.

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Roystein commented Saturday, 4 Apr 2020 at 4:20pm

This is it barrel dogs
Confusion and contradictions. It’s what we are all struggling with I am sure and why, like Blowin, we go back and forward trying to make meaning of what the frick is going on. How we can mingle in large numbers in supermarkets and hardware stores with no obvious sanitation routine but can’t interact with our Natural environment in ways we want to.

However, apart from the trash back and forward vitriol in these forums (one of very few parts of the internet I bother with) between some, all I have seen is people more than usual, giving each other the time of day and coming together with some unification within the context of a situation that everyone is struggling to comprehend. This is the good that can come of this, it’s up to us and our leaders to make sure it lasts.

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t-diddy commented Saturday, 4 Apr 2020 at 1:15pm

From ABC news this morning regarding surfing safety:
ssociate Professor Cullen said he thought the surf might be a safe place because COVID-19 was unlikely to survive long in salty water.

"Obviously the dilutionary effect of sea water, you know, it's not going to be an effective way of getting it, if you're out in the sea," he said.

"It probably doesn't like that environment very much."

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Goofy4 commented Saturday, 4 Apr 2020 at 3:18pm

T-Diddy - There seems to be other factors to consider on this matter.....As a general rule, Surfrider's staff scientist Katie Day recommends staying out of waterways (meaning the ocean, but also rivers and streams) edging on densely populated areas for at least 72 hours after a rainstorm, but also taking the extra precaution of keeping tabs on local beach water quality as “high fecal bacteria counts indicate the presence of raw or undertreated sewage.”......Due to the current uncertainty, areas affected by sewage spills, leaks or overflows, or have high numbers of septic tanks, cesspools or homeless populations, could have increased risk for potential transmission of the virus in affected waterways.”....Of course, if you’re also headed out to a populated beach, you’ll also likely find yourself coming into closer contact with other beachgoers and breaching the CDC’s recommended “social distancing” of 6 to 10 feet......I guess that's a reference to airborne transmission which is just as likely in or out of the surf....whatdoyareckon?

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wingnut2443 commented Saturday, 4 Apr 2020 at 4:36pm

Can't surf in isolation, but it's ok that:

- crew work on top of each other on construction sites in violation if social distancing rules?

- shops like Bunnings are packed with people buying unnecessary non essential stuff?

- young kids can go to childcare or school and share toys, books, play together?

- bike riders can still ride by side by side inside the 1.5m rule?

- media scrum can form at every press conference to ask questions but not get called out on social distancing?

FFS.

If we as recreational surfers do not stand up and fight for our right to exercise as we usually do by paddling and catching waves, then we'll be left with no choice but to take up lawn bowls.

We need to start a campaign to allowing surfing ASAP. OTHERWISE the option will be lost around Australia.

Surfboard Design and Construction Kook. Evidence is here: www.ffwsurfboards.com.au
*FFW - Few Fun Waves ... that's what it's all about for me.

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Blackdog commented Saturday, 4 Apr 2020 at 5:20pm

Nup cant even do that in Vicco. Lawn bowls is banned!
Fight the good fight wingnut.

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Nathan Hendriks commented Saturday, 4 Apr 2020 at 8:33pm

How about ppl stop being robots and learn to critically think for themselves and stop soaking up the main stream media that must be right because they definately have your safety and best intentions only for the listener/observer. Do some of your own research and go with your instincts; I'm sure there are ppl out there that have those, hopefully the globalist model hasn't squashed everything good about humanity yet.

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epictard commented Saturday, 4 Apr 2020 at 11:12pm

Unfortunately most people do not have access to the biological data, nor the medical experience to understand it if they did. Nor do they have access to the real numbers of infected (because those numbers can not exist without 100% testing), or the actual cause of death of those attributed to coronavirus.

You are asking people to philosophise over a topic without any information on a topic that they have no training or experience.

You are a fucking retard! I have no other possible description of you. I have remain aloof, if not light-hearted in these threads, provided only an interpretation of numbers (as I do not claim to understand disease or viruses in any fashion), but you are asking people to go away and "Do some of your own research and go with your instincts", which will take 6 - 8 years.

Fucktard!!!

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Nathan Hendriks commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 12:26pm

Well, that was an aggressive response to an opinion that clearly didn't align with your views. In 2020 the general populous have vast resources at their disposal to do any number of research on various different topics. You can choose to be ignorant and soak up the t.v. Info to see when your life will be getting back to its regimented normality or if you have internal yearnings about a scenario that doesn't resonate with how you feel you could seek to find out some information that might align with your thoughts.
Here is a link to some information that resonates with my thoughts, not saying you have to agree with it but logic works on my brain.
Good luck with your existence, my young family and I will be OK harvesting our own vegetables, meat and water while still getting seriously barrelled down the road with no one out. Save your aggressive approach for when your deprevation of liberty is truly tested.

Good luck with it all. Peace.
https://youtu.be/WwMLMXV6mcU

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bluediamond commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 7:24pm

"Save your aggressive approach for when your deprevation of liberty is truly tested". Brilliantly put mate. Cheers.

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Nathan Hendriks commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 12:37pm

If you don't do your own research you won't know the truth, if you don't know the truth you'll believe a lie and the lie you believe is the lie you'll defend.

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tango commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 11:33am

The reason the beaches are closed and surfing is on the chopping block is precisely because people went with, and continue to listen to, their instincts and thought not only for themselves but about themselves. This little quirk of humanity where we go with our survival instincts for selfishness over our collective wisdom is what will be the nail in the coffin, both literally and metaphorically.

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Nathan Hendriks commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 12:45pm

So we cannot access our natural surroundings ie: beaches in Tasmania, yet it is still OK to turn to purchase some food from the supermarket that not only has a thousand other ppl going through the store daily but imported goods from around the world, seems like very flawed logic, immersion in cold water activates shock proteins which in turn boost your immune system, line up at the check out both physically at metaphorically robot.

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tango commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 5:08pm

I'm not going to defend the decisions to allow some things and not others, as I don't know the full spectrum of things considered to get there. Being able to get away from it sounds sensible and getting into nat parks, but the agencies have a duty of care and the land is completely within their control, so I assume they'll pull out all the stops to minimise people mingling/contact etc. I'm assuming getting food is essential and walks in nature non-essential (though good for your well-being). If we let the masses take their own initiative on this we are firmly into worst-case scenario, though.

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freeride76 commented Saturday, 4 Apr 2020 at 8:53pm

the problem with people doing their own research is they end up believing absolute fucking nut jobs on You toob.

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Nathan Hendriks commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 1:18pm

If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.

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Fliplid commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 9:49am

Got a laugh out of that Optimist thanks for putting it up

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Faunt Leroy commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 2:03pm

Stu, Apologies if this isn't the place to contact you but have you thought of doing a story on People rushing to get to Holiday Homes (Not their place of residence) before border closures etc? Margaret River - Gracetown - Prevelly in particular have been inundated by Perth people with holiday houses. I'm sure this is happening all over Australia and putting not needed pressure on local services during this trying time.
A certain female Western Australian big wave surfer who is not from this area and has only ever "lived" here for short periods -probably a month max. (Shes from Triggs/Hillaries)has got into the area pre shire - state closures from the Gold Coast where she lives. Its interesting that these people are rushing to places with little to no Hospital services - Margs has one Ventilator.....
She has copped a bit of heat on her social propaganda page (IG) which is very relevant because it doesnt look like shes staying isolated....could use some investigation....

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tango commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 5:17pm

Good point, FL. Big issue on the Vic coast, too. All the holiday homes have been filling for the last 2weeks or so.

Also interesting that on a local FB page for secondhand boards - with a lot of Melbourne surfers on it - there is an attitude of having a holiday house equates to being a local and therefore having some form of local status. Setting aside the massive coastal housing affordability issues driven by holiday home purchasing over the past 20 years, these people seem to think that having the holiday house allows them to stay down or, worse, to split time between their two locations and acting as a potential conduit for covid-19.

In today's Sunday Age, we even have an article with quotes from the Mayor and President of the 3228 Residents Association for people to stay away and stop visiting, and highlighting the strain extra people place on health services. Sadly, the message is not getting through...and here comes Easter.

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stunet commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 7:03pm

It's a tricky one, Leroy. Playing devil's advocate, if they own a holiday house then they contribute to the economy via council rates, and if they let the house then money enters the local economy via various goods and services purchased by tenants.

Dependency on health services is a different matter, but aside from anecdotal evidence it's hard to get any concrete info about the number of people going to holiday homes. I don't want to add to the noise without having a verifiable basis for a story.

Also, there's a great many of these moral issues floating around at the moment. For instance, here on the East Coast we've got regional beach closures causing rolling crowds elsewhere. Last weekend, city beaches got closed so those surfers went elsewhere, this weekend many of the Northern Beaches got closed, so those surfers plus the city beach surfers are looking for waves. I live in the next town south and we're bracing ourselves to be overrun with Sydney surfers.

Reading the comments on Swellent and there's a number of variations on the theme.

Through it all, I've tried to hold my opinion as this crisis is vastly bigger and graver than anything a surf journo can say about it.

However, I'm not afraid to say that the 'influencer' in question is a shameless piece of work. 

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Blowin commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 7:12pm

I’d never heard of Stayz before. Went on the site and checked the bookings around here. Everywhere I looked was booked for the holidays.

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stunet commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 7:29pm

Weren't they your favourite boardies or something?

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Blowin commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 7:41pm

I’m literally wearing Stay surf boardies for 100 percent of all hours when I’m clothed.

But I’d never heard of Stayz online accomodation bookings. Its like Air B’nB but with edgier spelling in the name.

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lostdoggy commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 7:46pm

stayz has been around a long time.
I used it around 15 years ago I reckon.
I haven't heard much about them lately, i thought they probably just weren't around anymore.

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Sheep go to heaven commented Thursday, 9 Apr 2020 at 7:38am

Stu , there's a real element of cherry picking here from holiday house owners . They don't want to commit to living in regional areas full time . " better financial opportunities , weather , schools , lifestyle , cafes etc they say :/ " , then when the shit hits the fan in the big cities , well lets just hide out in the country in our second house and overload regional services . Yea they pay rates etc etc , but the practice of going back and forth from city to country ( as many of them are doing on a regular basis ) must massively increase the risk of transmission in to regional areas . The government needs to be much stronger with the message of stay in your primary place of residence ....

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stunet commented Thursday, 9 Apr 2020 at 7:44am

I've noticed the police, particularly here in NSW, have begun including "primary place of residence" in their messaging about essential travel. Following it with the threat of fines.

You can bet the police will be out in force this weekend and checking for identification, not to prove who you are but where you should be.

In that case, a rates notice on its own means squat. In fact, unless you can back it up with driver's license ID then it's an admission of guilt.

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freeride76 commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 7:19pm

Yep, all the holiday accom sites are still taking bookings.

that must surely be sailing close to the wind legally.

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Plasticspastic commented Sunday, 5 Apr 2020 at 8:51pm

madness stay home.. I note North Straddie has closed their border so to speak.. can't get on the ferry unless you live there...

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HI commented Monday, 6 Apr 2020 at 10:40am

Rules are never perfect and we can all argue that “we” should be the exception. But this moment is more important than the individual. Its a numbers game. If we reduce our exposure to others by say 50%, then we have immediately reduced the chance of transmission of covid-19 by 50%. It is as simple as that.
I am 61 years old and have surfed at least weekly since the age of 7. I do understand the love of and compulsion to surfing.
But right now my advice would be to suck it up and be grateful. Ask yourself whether you would prefer to be in Tassie or in New York in this moment. Rather than looking for wriggle and trying to justify why surfing should be the exception, be grateful for the sacrifices others are making.
Do you really imagine that our government and health care workers should be giving priority to your surf session?

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nnumnuts commented Monday, 6 Apr 2020 at 1:31pm

It's not a matter of arguing that surfing is an exception -it's the illogical and inconsistent nature of the 'rules'.
You can't surf at South Arm beaches or some East Coast beaches but you can at Park Beach which is crowded AF at the best of times. So National Parks has closed all beaches within their control -but the State Government has said they haven't directed any beaches to be closed.
You can exercise by running /walking /cycling on the crowded Hobart bike track but you can't drive to a beach- following physical distancing rules and hand sanitising -go for a surf surf then go home .
You can get a haircut and spend an hour 500 mm away from a stranger inside but you can't go for quiet bush walk with no-one within 2 kilometres around.
There's no denying the gravity of the Corona virus but there is also a fucking lot of hysteria about.

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shortenism commented Tuesday, 7 Apr 2020 at 11:55am

The NSW Health Minister starting to weave into her messaging "we will have to keep social distancing until a vaccine is found". Get ready for a mandatory shot in the arm chaps, brought to you by non other than the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, which also is the majority funder of the World Health Organisation, where this saga all started.. Hang on?? WTF?? And in other news Cardinal George Pell walks from jail today.. Haha... Wow.. If you're not outraged, your not paying attention.

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thermalben commented Tuesday, 7 Apr 2020 at 12:26pm

Sorry, I must have missed something. What's the conspiracy here?

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shortenism commented Tuesday, 7 Apr 2020 at 12:51pm

The link I'll call it (as opposed to conspiracy) is that the 'powers that be', which see the passage of someone like Pell are the same 'powers that be' that will force you to have an injection in your arm under the auspices of saving the world. Back to my point if you are not outraged, you are not paying attention.

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stunet commented Tuesday, 7 Apr 2020 at 12:43pm

Do you mean the powers 'that' be?

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thermalben commented Tuesday, 7 Apr 2020 at 12:50pm

I'm outraged at the Pell case. Last week's 4 Corners was one of the most difficult things I've watched in ages. 

But as for the Bill Gates conspiracy, you'll have to word me up a little more, I don't quite follow.

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lostdoggy commented Tuesday, 7 Apr 2020 at 1:25pm

I think someone re-shared (on youtube maybe, or facebook) a Bill Gates ted talk where he predicted a coronavirus pandemic and the comments were wild with conspiracy that the Gates' are behind the pandemic and will be the ones to provide the vaccine.

This is just from memory of passing past it. My recollection may be off.

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thermalben commented Tuesday, 7 Apr 2020 at 1:52pm

So Bill predicted a pandemic - something the world experienced three times in the twentieth century, and twice since then (including the current one) - and he's now allegedly the perpetrator?

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lostdoggy commented Tuesday, 7 Apr 2020 at 2:01pm

Can't help you there sorry, Ben.

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epictard commented Tuesday, 7 Apr 2020 at 2:14pm

I think that he is misguidedly suggesting that Gates created the virus to profit from the supply the vaccine. What he fails to grasp is that IF The Gates Foundation owned / developed the vaccine they would be giving it away for free at their own expense.

This is the reporting that may have triggered this:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/bill-gates-says-hell-spend-billions-on...

I am not sure why he thinks they are in it for profit or why he thinks they have caused it.

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shortenism commented Tuesday, 7 Apr 2020 at 2:32pm

Yep the Pell case is an outrage. Epstein is another one. Have a look at that, really have a look at that... But we digress.

The Gates Foundation are major financial backers of the World Health Organisation, they have been since privatisation / de-regulation in the 70/80s, Have a look for yourselves into this.. The Gates Foundation also have a program called ID2020, again have a look for yourselves. This program looks to introduce 'skin tattoos' a form of micro-chip into populations under the auspices of saving lives. This may be true, but its agenda is broader than that. There was also the well documented pandemic simulation that occurred in Wuhan China in late 2019, a few months before this all started and The Gates Foundation were key participants. Coincidence? Government's globally including our own now starting the tone around 'we will have to keep social distancing until a vaccine'. Coincidence? A patent for Corona Virus vaccine lodged in the EU in Nov 2019. Coincidence? The dots all connect at some level. The Pell example of the hidden hand serves as a tangible demonstration to us in Australia just how these things can and do work and anyone that sits back and thinks this COVID19 is what we are told, is clearly not paying attention.

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thermalben commented Tuesday, 7 Apr 2020 at 6:55pm

I've looked up a couple of your suggestions, and to be honest, I really can't see what you're getting at. Isn't Bill essentially suggesting a digital certificate? You'll find one on almost every website these days. 

IMO, the results from a couple of pages of Google searches really doesn't look much different to the "proof" that 911 was an inside job (etc etc) that's still being bandied around the place. I checked out a couple of Reddit threads and feel dumber for the effort.

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shortenism commented Tuesday, 7 Apr 2020 at 2:37pm

The profit isn't their motivator, getting a 'vaccine' and / or a micro-into your arm is.

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shortenism commented Tuesday, 7 Apr 2020 at 8:46pm

Check out www.davidicke.com he's done a lifetime of research into these matters. Yep 911 is in there and a shit load of other things. I've read a few of his earlier books, tales from the time loop, and the truth will set you free etc. They are very well researched and referenced. Some confronting and controversial content but a lot of what he has been on about and ridiculed over for many years is coming into fruition. Its been fascinating to observe.

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thermalben commented Wednesday, 8 Apr 2020 at 6:58am

Not knowing much about David Icke (aside from seeing his name popping up every time there’s a conspiracy theory), I thought I’d check out his Wikipedia entry before going any further.

Is this a true summation of his life/career?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

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shortenism commented Wednesday, 8 Apr 2020 at 7:42am

No idea if any of it's true re his life/career but that appears to be the fella

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thermalben commented Wednesday, 8 Apr 2020 at 9:54am

Got any other sources/references other than this bloke?

I simply can't give much credibility to a guy who also "believes that an inter-dimensional race of reptilian beings called the Archons (or Anunnaki) have hijacked the earth and that a genetically modified human–Archon hybrid race of shape-shifting reptilians, also known as the "Babylonian Brotherhood", the Illuminati, or the 'elite', manipulate global events to keep humans in constant fear so the Archons can feed off the 'negative energy' this creates. He claims many prominent figures belong to the Babylonian Brotherhood and are propelling humanity toward an Orwellian global fascist state, or New World Order, a post-truth era where freedom of speech is ended. Icke believes that the only way this 'Archontic' influence can be defeated is if people wake up to "the truth" and fill their hearts with love."

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Remigogo commented Thursday, 9 Apr 2020 at 7:27am

Sonia Poulton is a journalist with interesting insights Ben.

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thermalben commented Thursday, 9 Apr 2020 at 7:36am

There's no shortage of people with "interesting insights". Just because your views are interesting, doesn't automatically validate them.

There doesn't seem to be a lot of info on the web about Sonia (aside from her website), though I did find that she was a presenter on "The People’s Voice", a "free global internet television and radio station" whose "main creator was David Icke".

I'm more interested in finding a link to highly credible people who have publicly backed Icke's assertions.

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Remigogo commented Thursday, 9 Apr 2020 at 10:11pm

I have been pondering post to you all day whilst spraying on the tractor and considered a deletion because it was a wrong direction. You surprised me with your response and may I just say an informed approach.

I checked this out today. https://youtu.be/wf0_nMaQ6tA

Coolest speaker of have heard in years. 3x my vocabulary and some. And better than Ickes ilk.

I am at peace now.

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thermalben commented Friday, 10 Apr 2020 at 6:00am

Appreciate the link... but do you have something more succinct than a three hour podcast?

Gotta say though, I'm more fascinated at how a bloke with a PhD in mathematical physics is the Managing Director for Peter Thiel's personal investment firm.

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Remigogo commented Friday, 10 Apr 2020 at 12:00pm

Wise words Ben.

And there in leads the true path to enlightenment.

Now where is my feather duster. Library is a bit dusty.

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velocityjohnno commented Friday, 10 Apr 2020 at 12:42pm

Mathematicians hired as quants, program the algos, happens all the time... Probably a safer way in and safer career path than investment research analyst tbh

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nnumnuts commented Wednesday, 8 Apr 2020 at 9:36am

It's all becoming clear- Scomo is a reptilian alien hybrid from another dimension.

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shortenism commented Wednesday, 8 Apr 2020 at 10:09am

Hahaha, yeah its a bit to take in!! I thought the same thing when I came across him many years ago... But gees, you start unpacking what he's on about, the research he's done what's going on in front of us all the time and its bloody hard to argue he's not onto it.

His books are where you'll find it. I reckon you need to get through one of them cover to cover and then check your viewpoint.

New knowledge, you have to be open to it.

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stunet commented Wednesday, 8 Apr 2020 at 10:16am

Nah, it's bollocks. Completely and utterly.

New knowledge? There are libraries of stuff to enlighten yourself, and they're always expanding, but I reckon most people should start with critical thinking before striding out into the wilderness beyond.

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thermalben commented Wednesday, 8 Apr 2020 at 10:19am

Need to be open to what?

Sorry, but I think I'll hold out for something more credible. Preferably peer-reviewed.

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shortenism commented Wednesday, 8 Apr 2020 at 11:34am

Fellas, that is entirely your call on what you perceive knowledge and truth to be. I understand you are scientists and you are trained to think in a fairly narrow bandwidth. And that is not a criticism, I employee amongst others, Prof's and PhD's, absolute geniuses who are incredible at what they do, as you guys are at your swell forecasting. But this stuff just fully blows their minds, they instinctively reject it like you have stunet. So I understand the push back.

I'll go back to an earlier point though. Surely, what you have seen with Pell, Epstein, Prince Andrew blah blah has to be trigger some signal in your head and heart that things aren't right largely at that level of the 'upper echelons'. I mean, you couldn't make some of this stuff up... And if they are so evil with their pedo activities, why would they be so right with all this that is going on at the moment?

I would encourage you to read some of his material actually take the time to be curious and then see what you reckon after that.

I'll also say that this isn't a belief or religious thing, I am anti that completely, this is encouraging you to open your mind to factual findings based on many years of research.

Leave it with ya lads, I'm off to the beachhouse.

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thermalben commented Wednesday, 8 Apr 2020 at 11:48am

If you throw enough mud at the wall, some of it will eventually stick. 

A better starting point would be to show me a couple of people with a high degree of credibility who back up Icke's assertions. Because, if whatever it is he's saying is true, then it should be pretty easy to validate.

Is that not a fair request?

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velocityjohnno commented Friday, 10 Apr 2020 at 12:48pm

I can show you a link from a site with impeccable credibility that supports this theory:

https://www.swellnet.com/news/swellnet-dispatch/2018/12/14/watch-reptili...

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Johknee commented Wednesday, 8 Apr 2020 at 5:01pm

Okay, let's take a look...

David posted this on his website.
The Doc describes what he has seen in an ICU and he thinks COVID19 does not appear to be a viral, pneumonia-like disease; it's similar to altitude sickness. Nice observation. Our friend David says this is evidence that COVID19 does not exist and that 5G networks are depriving people of oxygen. This leads him to suggest that this epidemic was planned by the global elite to cripple economies and make us all dependent on the State and ring in 'fascistic, global, Orwellian control'.
Maybe I've missed something, but if hypoxia caused by 5G comms is hospitalising and killing people, why isn't it affecting all people in those areas? Seems weird that 5G can 'infect' some people, but not others. I'm probably close-minded and must have cherry-picked that one because I'm biased. What about David's books?
https://shop.davidicke.com/product/the-perception-deception-by-david-icke/
"David Icke, the World’s most controversial author, has spent the last quarter of a century unravelling the secrets of the Universe, reality and the forces that manipulate our World. What was once ridiculed and dismissed is now being confirmed again and again as Icke, a figure of fun for so long, is acknowledged as a man way ahead of his time.
In this massive work of 435,000 words, 900 pages and more than 800 illustrations, Icke lays out in dot-connected details a lifetime of research and insight about our ‘computer’-simulated reality, the holographic universe and the hidden non-human forces that are manipulating human life via hybrid bloodline families and networks into a global Orwellian state of total control.
David's publicist has done a good job with the book description; David is the chosen one who single-handedly figured out all secrets of the Universe. No mean feat when you consider he cannot grasp the concept of logic. But, with all this knowledge, why is he not a Scientist? He could teach them a thing or two. That got one part right - he is easy to make fun of!

Alright, I'm being close-minded. I'll give this another go..
https://www.davidicke.com/article/567495/bill-gates-refuses-recommend-nu...

David teaches us that Bill Gates is one of the most sinister people on the planet and he wants to poison everyone with vaccines. Why isn't Bill telling us to boost* our immune systems? He just wants to make money, I guess. On the other hand, David is our Saviour with his online store full of science fiction novels, anti-semitic literature and pseudoscientific 'super-strain body biotics'.

What do people who believe this stuff see through their eyes when they read this shit? David's ideas are not ground-breaking or open-minded; he's paranoid and his profound distrust of the world and the people in it is pathological. For Christ sake, the bloke is scared of people knocking on his door! People instinctively reject this shit because it has all the hallmarks of conspiratorial thought: speculation, grand ambition for world dominance, the world is sinister and out to get us etc.

Enjoy the beachhouse! I hope there are no telco towers close by!!

*Here's a secret - you cannot 'boost' your immune system.

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shortenism commented Wednesday, 8 Apr 2020 at 10:53pm

I see his role as more of a collaborator and sharer of information. I don't think he's claiming any single handed solving of the universe, but he's certainly a minority. I find people's reaction to this stuff really interesting JK its almost an instinctive reaction to push back upon first coming across this shit, I get it. The mind rejects it. Some of it, actually most of it sounds outright ludicrous, its confronting big time. But again when you start taking notice of what is going on with COVID19, these religious groups, pedo rings, Illuminati types... Did you see the news today again 'life won't go back to normal until we get the vaccine'. WTF!!?? The crew leading this agenda are psychopaths, its obvious. Again, back to old Pell, like some sinister public display of 'you cant fkn touch us' in the middle of a supposed life ending pandemic where some poor prick gets fined for eating a kebab on a park bench, Pell for his actions just slips out the back door into a limo and straight home to the Vatican.. Sure you can think Icke is mad and maybe he is slightly, who isn't, , but if you think this agenda is here to serve you then you've got a long road of discovery ahead, which i'm not sure we've got time for.

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thermalben commented Thursday, 9 Apr 2020 at 5:37am

You're not putting forth a very pursuasive arguement re: Icke, let alone his claims.

And what's with the constant comparisons to Pell?

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Johknee commented Thursday, 9 Apr 2020 at 9:37am

I was naive enough to respond to your comment, so I guess I deserve all the nonsense I get in return.

Anyway, I think you'd find value in this thread.
If social shame is a real psychological phenomenon, then this thread might just be your Saviour.

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nnumnuts commented Wednesday, 8 Apr 2020 at 11:40am

Was this David Icke mates with L. Ron Hubbard ?

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haggis commented Friday, 10 Apr 2020 at 2:06pm

Nice article Mick. Will be interesting to see what happens when the points break during autumn (if they do). With covid being able to spread six foot in the surf, it may be a worry with the traditional crowds of fifty to eighty stretched along points like seven mile. They all sit on top of each other. The points are open but the locals are shut. Park is open and so are others. The government suggests that essential travel can include exercise. Will be interesting to see what happens. I was watching tweed bar on the surf cam this morning and there were heaps out, presumably, all local, but it did make me wonder about some of the mixed messages we are receiving and whether anyone will come in contact with the disease.

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Mick Lawrence commented Friday, 10 Apr 2020 at 4:44pm

Mate, perhaps the reason for mixed messages is that no one in control actually knows what to say.

I'm just thankful I'm not the one making the call.

However, my personal confusion is simply this:

If the reason beaches in Tasmania, and Australia, have been closed is because medical advice is that the virus can be community transferred. How come the virus can't do that on the ones that remain open?

Here in Tassie the effect has been to concentrate the focus of an estimated 2000+ Hobart surfers, channelling them towards two beaches instead of seven. Now if that isn't pushing social distancing limits I don't know what is.

Another thing that confuses me. If you can travel to exercise, how far can you travel. Within your postcode seems reasonable and enforceable. However there are some who think its ok to drive 150 kms up the east coast to exercise, and no doubt, some do.

This isn't just a local thing, it's happening right now all around the Land of Oz. The law is adopted by most, not all. Unfortunately its the 'not all' that run the risk of losing the right to surf for 'us all'.

Surfers are privileged. If you are passionate about football, netball, basketball... you name it, your passion is most likely on hold. Stay at home, read a book or binge on Netflix. Whereas surfers can still surf; as long as you play by the rules. Given that, any thinking surfer should conclude that we would be dumb as batshit if we put that privilege in jeopardy.

However there are those that are - as dumb as batshit!

Those that choose to surf closed beaches, effectively poking the bear in the eye.
Those that think driving two hundred K to exercise is ok.
Those that think 20 surfers on one peak is correct social distancing and corona can't catch them.

These are the ones amongst us that could quite easily make surfing illegal for everyone. Can't possibly happen you say? Remember Hunter S Thompson?

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."

If enough people who are confined to their caves, see hundreds of people surfing during a lockdown, who in turn complain loud enough, the government may have no choice but to intervene. Public opinion could well over ride medical opinion. Under such pressure, the easiest way for an authoritarian to solve the problem may well be to simply ban surfing - in the community interest.

In the late 1700's the birthplace of surfing, Hawaii, suffered a huge pandemic in the form of Captain Cook. Not only did most of them die as a result, but the weird pros that followed in Cooks footsteps, the missionaries, immediately withdrew the right to surf - in the communities interest.

Under the regime of this current pandemic that is a point that shouldn't be lost on any of us, whether we surf or not.

I haven't surfed for over 10 years but I will stand up for anyone's right to surf. But with rights come responsibilities and with coronavirus now moving from something you caught overseas to something you can catch at your local cafe, perhaps we've moved into another phase. Perhaps the responsible thing to do is to not create a situation where the authorities close the beaches or ban surfing. Would it be wiser for surfers to unilaterally put surfing on hold until we have the thing under control?

It's worth noting that it took the Hawaiians four generations to reclaim their right to surf.

That's my view, but I'm a Tasmanian, maybe I'm just weird.

Stay safe and don't pick your nose.

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indo-dreaming commented Friday, 10 Apr 2020 at 4:56pm

Tassie is having a big surge in cases in last 24hrs
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-10/coronavirus-death-fourth-in-tasma...

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