Surf Lakes shrinks as Wavegarden grows

Stu Nettle
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Two bits of news from the hot tub industry this week.

The first is that Surf Lakes - the crew with the steam punk plunger in Yeppoon - is releasing a new "product", something that's more suited to the urban surfer.

“We’ve had close to 600 enquiries from all areas of the planet,” said Surf Lakes CEO Aaron Trevis, “[but] many sites are just not large enough to cater for the 3.6 hectare lake."

Therefore, Surf Lakes are spruiking a bonsai version of their pool. The new Surf Lake requires only two hectares (five acres) of land for construction, which, according to Trevis, makes it more suited to high density areas with similarly high real estate values.

The smaller version Surf Lake is valued at US$20 million (just shy of AUD $28 million), plus land costs, which Trevis says is "a huge opportunity to really penetrate non-surfing market places by locating near shopping malls and local sports fields."

Meanwhile, as Surf Lakes shrinks, Wavegarden grows. The latest installation is in South Korea and is their biggest pool yet. For comparison, Melbourne's Wavegarden has 40 modules displacing water, while the South Korean version has 56.

The difference is immediately obvious in the videos emerging from South Korea with a noticeably longer barrel section.

The video above shows Eneko Merino on the left, and Kai Odriozola, Hans Odriozola - Wavegarden founder Josema Odriozola two sons - and Eneko Merino going back to back on the right.

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Nick Bone commented Friday, 2 Oct 2020 at 9:02am

So Surf Lakes are using a bit of spin go concede they can’t go any bigger?

Edit: only read the first two paragraphs of the link and just went pfffffft

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David.Green commented Friday, 2 Oct 2020 at 9:14am

agreed

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Sprout commented Friday, 2 Oct 2020 at 9:01am

Better length, still needs some girth.

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Spuddups commented Friday, 2 Oct 2020 at 9:13am

Looks fun. Nice clear water.

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PeteH commented Friday, 2 Oct 2020 at 9:26am

I wonder if there is going to be a generation growing up near the land-locked shopping malls who learn to surf in the wave pool format? How the fuck will they cope when they travel to a foreign coastline and have to take on the real ocean in all its variances?

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Stok commented Friday, 2 Oct 2020 at 10:14am

Probably better than the 10's of thousands of land locked, surf starved Europeans and Russians who are known to float around, get caught inside and go over the falls frequently around Indo on inappropriately sized craft

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memlasurf commented Friday, 2 Oct 2020 at 2:24pm

Ah yeah they are a worry. Have zero conception of the consequences.

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Ben Harding commented Sunday, 4 Oct 2020 at 1:39pm

I can't imagine the transition taking long at all, especially on a clean 2-3ft day. They'll have their technique absolutely dialled and will only really have to adjust to getting some turns in on a two-turn wave or closeout. Maybe a different story altogether if it's onshore slop or 6ft+, but then again, can't expect your average Joe's to consistently rip in those conditions.

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Frodge commented Friday, 2 Oct 2020 at 10:23am

Tulla is a lot of fun and looks like they have improved again.
Is there a max number of modules they can build - image 80, twice the size of tulla, now that would be fun.
The walls around the pool look twice the height, even more at the start of the wave.
Not that onshore really affects the waves that bad, but the height of the walls would have to further improve quality when it is blowing onshore.

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barrel_pig commented Saturday, 3 Oct 2020 at 8:05am

But you gotta remember that promo shoots always have the luxury of waiting for pleasant conditions. Unlike paying punters who have to take a gamble on what time, two months in advance, is likely to give them favourable wind, etc.

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zenagain commented Friday, 2 Oct 2020 at 10:47am

Bit of false advertising though. Those whippersnappers are barely 3ft tall.

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Pops commented Friday, 2 Oct 2020 at 10:51am

Yeah, clever marketing.
The wave does look super fun though... if the local looked like that you'd be straight out there.

He who hesitates is lost

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udo commented Friday, 2 Oct 2020 at 11:48am

I think the surfer at 20 secs is about 5.11 tall
edit : mistaken identity .!

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freeride76 commented Friday, 2 Oct 2020 at 11:29am

Surf lakes is finally conceding to the commercial reality of the physics.

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ozracer commented Friday, 2 Oct 2020 at 11:30am

The Tulla tub is a great venue, first in the country and the wave variety can be changed easily. It's also a fairly quiet machine when generating the waves and nighttime floodlighting allows use late into the evening and early morning starts. I reckon the advanced points 6 setting is the best as it gives plenty of wall to work with and length of ride, almost across to the paddle out channel. The Rockhampton/Yeppoon plunger pond looks great too but they need to get a DA and convert it for use as a public venue. Id like to see pools constructed twice the size to allow longer and larger wave settings with the quality of Kellys wave but with regular sets, similar to Tulla tub's 12 wave set every 2 minutes or so. Hurry up and build a few more across the country I reckon, near airports for FIFO access.

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hillsintas commented Friday, 2 Oct 2020 at 11:51am

http://oceansportsdevelopment.com/news/

CORAL SPRINGS — A giant pool will create the perfect conditions for training surfers — creating at least 240 waves an hour.

It’ll be part of Broward County’s first surf park, whose construction could start as early as next year in Coral Springs.

With visions that “perfect waves could produce an Olympic athlete,” the City Commission signed off on a proposal for the surf park Wednesday evening.

The developer, Margate-based Ocean Sports Development, Inc. pitched an idea for the surf pool where hundreds of waves each hour can be random or by design. It’ll be set up so the waves can be adjusted as they move.

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criso commented Friday, 2 Oct 2020 at 12:32pm

“Oh dad can you build me a wave garden please “ “ yeah no worries son 20 mill should doit ay”

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simba commented Friday, 2 Oct 2020 at 1:04pm

Drumbeat of death for Kellys ranch expansion i think........

simba

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memlasurf commented Friday, 2 Oct 2020 at 2:30pm

Guys anything to do with the tulla tub down here at the moment is moot. If and when they reopen and how many are allowed in there is still up to Dan. They won't reopen until the can get the pools full of punters so who know when that will be. $10K fine for going to the tip and $5 k for movement beyond the iron curtain.

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stunet commented Friday, 2 Oct 2020 at 2:32pm

Emailed 'em yesterday but no reply yet. They'll be working furiously to hire, train (or retrain), and finish the grounds before opening date. 

Reckon I'll have some info early next week.

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Stok commented Friday, 2 Oct 2020 at 2:39pm

I think the cafe should be done as well. Should be a pretty nice venue now with the hot tubs and a spot for a beer after (or before....and in between) sessions.

I'm an optimistic Melburnian making peace with the fact my next few surfs (since June) will most likely be in the tub due to the 'ring of steel' around Melbs.

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Frodge commented Friday, 2 Oct 2020 at 3:39pm

I spoke to them earlier in the week and they are hoping to be up and running prior to the end of the month (Dan's nod of approval required).
They ran a good show under stage 3 (no spectators or play in the bay), so I can't see why they won't be allowed to open up again once we get to Step 3.
Looking forward to getting back there.

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truebluebasher commented Sunday, 4 Oct 2020 at 10:31am

29th Sept ...Urbnsurf backdate...
We'll be opening in line with the 3rd Step of Vic Covid Roadmap.
Reopening, hopefully Late October..
Pretty sure, they wouldn't want you to quote them on that.
https://www.facebook.com/urbnsurf/

Wave Parks PPL (Pro Postponer League)
Wave Pool Pro Tour Dates
New Opening Dates -(2020/1/2/3/4...2025 > For sure!)
Closed for maintenance (Jan > Dec + Dec < Jan)
Closed - For Weekends & Public Holidays
Re-Open postponements -( 2026/7/8/9 - 2030 > 2050?)
Surfers have grown immune to it.
[ Wave Pool re-opening delayed a couple of years ]...well durr!
[ Closed for Covid for a few months ] No one even blinked.

Featured Pool was timed with Postponed Surf Park Summit
Also note many Worldly Wave Pool Promos this week.
Here's a wrap of Topics covered
https://www.surfparkcentral.com/surf-park-summit-2020-virtual-is-live-oc...
Live Links Archive (Includes Andrew Ross-Urbnsurf + Surf Lakes)
https://www.facebook.com/SurfParkCentral/

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Spacecadet commented Friday, 2 Oct 2020 at 4:50pm

Almost all of the footage is of 30kg grommets. Would like to see how the normal punter surfs it.

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truebluebasher commented Sunday, 4 Oct 2020 at 1:00pm

Here's the (Original Choice) for South Korea's Wave Pool
https://www.murphyswaves.com/turtle-island-boogie-wave-pool/
Murph the Surf's "Turtle Boogie"in Comp Mode ( Give them some Credit)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BPSvSyG9Es&feature=emb_logo

This Vid is the same as Feature Vid + Dancers but has overhead Shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8Pc4Tn_XJs&feature=emb_logo
Note how high the walls are...You instantly think they could ramp the Height....
*In the overhead shot it Shows stairs to Walls are well above ground height.
*See Walls are higher than wave curtain which is running at mid > Upper range.
Note: Bristol & Melbourne walls sit Flush with Wave Curtain. (Max out as a unit)
* See inshore whitewater is already bubbling near pool edge > Shared Park Path.

All of this means they have a Massive Pit for Bombs but little pedal power.
The High walls are to 100% containing Wave Pool spritzing of other guests.
The Wave & Urbnsurf let it Slip'n'Slide over the edge but less so in a Theme Park.
Some vidz show these walls as a Proto-Type of odd blocks (Cheap Shit)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CFqsm43BdMw/
Not typical of South Korean high tech...this may be raced as a Surf Summit Promo.

Each module responds to 'max set pressure' determined by Wave Generator...
Modules, Settings , Bathymetry + Water depth can alter height but mostly Generator.
5-100 modules +1-3m water + Bathymetry will offer only slight wave height change.
We see that on occasion the Tiny Test Pool can push out Equal Height to Here.
Using the Grom Gauge as a guide the Test wave also dwarfs the gromz.
https://i.imgur.com/aqHbTVX.jpg
https://wavegarden.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/wavegarden-cove-change...
https://wavegarden.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/URBNSURF-Melbourne-Stu...

Wave Generators or Compressors also have a 'natural' set Maximum.
Interesting Tech Fact...Double your Speed you quadruple the drag
The drag kicks in @ 300km'hr.
You'll find Earth's Slipstreamers / Leaf Blowers / Jet boats max out at 250 mph.
Basically there is a set limit in Pushing Air < > Water Speed < > Volume + Temp!
Captain Kirk may order Scottie to Ramp up the sets, but she start breaking up.
You'd need a Hot headed engineer in an Air Raid Bunker.

1936 Portobello Brownie's Beast > Backwash rip tided 50m down 100m wave pool
Beast pumped 3ft waves for 10mins on the go...lick yer lips off Backwash Ramps.
https://www.bathsandwashhouses.co.uk/archive/your-local-buildings/edinbu...
This was the first Pool to allow Surf Boards + Rafts + Rescue Boat + even Dogs
Yes! UK Surfers were hooking 3ft ramps long before 1960's Tokyo / US Wave Pools
Sean Connery was one of the Lifeguards.

1986 Blue Thunder V12 Beast mashed everyone so was neutered to a V8
Apparently the 6ft waves ramped again from ladders & such in a crash'up'derby.
This indoor Wave Pool allowed Hard Boards-swimmer mix & Has Boardriders Club
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ocl9WS_qav8

Extra height will likely come from non mechanical Flex / Rebound / Wave retention.
Wavegarden are very guarded on their tech but > WavePrizm [Vid 2] explains it!
[Vid 3] also shows how to ramp Stand Up Back Door barrels.
Wotz bizarre is, that the Company then denounce the Lot as Child's Play..
WavePrizm claim next level spraying of world of Wave Pool mortals with their wake.
https://www.waveprizm.com/about/

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truebluebasher commented Sunday, 4 Oct 2020 at 11:07pm

Credit to Surf Lakes for being open & honest about this brazen set up.
Very few secrets & little you can hide...which can be good if you share.

Stu's Promo: Surf Lakes drops into a cityscape with all the finesse of a Hydro bomb.
It shows how boisterous the concept is...so what's the trick to befriend Mad Max?

Surf Lakes size is hungry for Real Estate / Water / Power / Lighting + Noisy / Steam?
Surf Lakes portray themselves in a Cityscape more often than not..is that realistic?

tbb has reworked this over & over and can squeeze out some suitable Large plots.
No one can afford such a large land parcel near a CBD & few if any on their own.
Naturally Surf Lakes need joint ventures or on the flip disused Toxic Sites or Water.

*Councils zone Quarries & Treatment plants for such ventures (re: Wave Garden etc)
Sunshine Coast zone Fresh Water Lakes & Disused Quarries but away from CBD.
Govts / Councils tap into enviro rebates & partner Wave Pools as eco ventures.
Mostly as they have no means of cleansing CBD Ponds -UV/wave motion is the ticket.
Naturally! Sewage & Surfers are poles apart...It's a tough sell but would earn stripes!
If you could mop up toxic mess then surfers would sell yer Wave Pool to the World.
In this setting Surf Lakes could easily let off some steam.

*CBD Golf Course land is plentiful but level course land is premium.
However! Golf Course Lakes can double as a Resident Pro Surf feature.
There are obvious issues! Netting around Surf Lakes can be minimized to tee zones.
Here the Steam Shots would put off Putters big time...Surf lakes can sort it they say?
tbb notes early morning Multi Golf / Sports is buzzing & a Wave Pool gives them cred.
The 360% design is picture perfect in the centre of a Course. (Beautifully framed!)
A great selling tool for younger members as it lends vibrancy to a staid environment.
Note Top Golf Top Guy joined Surf Lakes Team & Knows how to package this.

*Turf Clubs are most obvious, a large size Surf Lakes drops into any Oz Race track.
Note all Turf Clubs have beneath Track thru-fares for vehicles & water feed to a Lake.
Lighting Poles Fitted around Perimeter + Noise/ Night / Big Screen Event approvals
Comes with a free stadium, it's a great cheap fit in the centre of every OZ City.
Surf Lakes Surfing toward Stadium is OK, helps if you know the surfer, a bit like that.
Undercover Screens & Beer will win the day! More about the occasion...Hang on a bit!
Actually, tbb recalls checking...(Better than Bells / JBay = Snapper from the footpath!)
Shaking off the mismatched Surfers (vs) Animal Cruelty Crowd. (Nothing's Perfect?)

*There is actually an even more natural fit in CBD's
Riverside & Lake activities are vacated due to Sharks...leaving cheap Real Estate.
Basically you can run Surf Lakes walled off from Sharks like Council Swim enclosures.
Land Sharks on-sell the new Surf Hang as if it were the Pacific ... closest thing to it!
Difference being, all now buy on Surf Lake, now a safer beach than the Real Thing?
In other words, you sell 100% ultimate Shark Mitigation whilst surfing a Tidal Beach
Surflakes is fine to run on Salt Water & could capitalise on sharky Real Estate.
Promos actually showcase Surf Lakes in similar settings...well worth exploring.
Ships / Yachts & Boat stackers are all of similar height...so eyesore is no more or less.
Beaches are burnt out & Marinas are plague-like so River needs Shark free recreation.
Surf Lakes large size & 360% design presents more harmonious than more marinas.
Waves breaking over a river or lake surface is natural each storm hour so why not!
More than that, it's possible Govt / Council may legislate for Waterway Recreation.
Of course this would be fitted to Dead Spots that need to tide better or similar.
Much like earning cred from healing the river to obtain Govt grants.

Qldurrz are stoked & crew are happy to unravel rare but doable low cost CBD options.
Good luck & look forward to Surf Lakes unleashing the Goldie Beast

Surf Lakes / Surf Park Summit Presentation
https://www.surf-lakes.com.au/surf-park-summit-presentation/

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udo commented Friday, 16 Oct 2020 at 12:55pm

Korea pool open for business ?

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truebluebasher commented Monday, 26 Oct 2020 at 12:01am

udo's question seems fair enough...

Surfing thru Sept but opening day was the weekend of Oct 11.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pt7f4IWuSI&feature=emb_logo

Entry Fees ($AUD)
Day Admission (Wading + Swimming) - $20
Body / Surfing session -$70/hr (Board Gear Rental Extra)
Lessons - $120/hr (Advanced Coaching > Board Gear Rental is extra)

Soft Board = $20/hr (Looks like 25% More Crew? > Less Dings > Less 1st Aid)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHlr56r_VP0
Hard Board =$50/hr (Note > More dings > Less Ding repairers)
Suits = $10/hr
Lockers = free
Wave interval =8 secs
Waves per Set = 10
Wave Lull - 1min.
Wave Length 12-15 secs ( This is for 40 modules) re :56 modules should be longer?
Bay (Beginners) Depth 0.8m + Waves 1m
Point (Intermediate) Depth 0.8m + Waves 0.8m
Wave Zones Reef (Advanced) Depth 1.2m + Waves 2.4m

Here's the POV Wave Park Tour (Drive > Park > Entry > Locker > Wave > Reward)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvcxzRqKsWk
https://www.wavepark.co.kr/main/event?redirect=NoticeDetails&lang=ko&bbs...

Meet the Local crew (Vidz)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVmfx3LT8ME&feature=emb_logo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8Y16bdprsU

One of them Fucked Up Asian Wave Pool Ads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNJorMDQISc&feature=emb_logo

Note this is the Surf Zone there is an adjacent general Wave Pool opening 2021
Wave Garden Surf Zone has restricted numbers that reflect OZ / UK Pools.
When you exit the Right Hand Surf break it enters the next Wave Pool.(See vidz)
(Pause Intro Vid) Different (L/R) walls (R) High perimeter Wall hugs Roadside.
See also central UK Pier Style with dinky Lifeguard Shack/Slide +See-thru wall...etc...
Concert / Comp venue eg = Halloween Big Wave (tbb locked in the crew)
https://www.wavepark.co.kr/main/event?redirect=EventDetails&lang=ko&bbsd...

The Vidz
(Intro >Overview Edits) Gives a great visual wrap...just pause anywhere! (Value)
https://wavegarden.com/

Next combo will surprise...best ever wavepool lineups in here...Get on this!
Old school cam pans reward some pure Surf flow (These Chix can surf alright!)
Note the number of Young Chix often match the Guys...( US / UK / OZ wake Up call. )
Wow! South Korean Chix boss Wave Pools > This is a real eye opener! Amazing!
'70's Funky Bass & Organ Sound & Hot Chix + Cool Trims (tbb > Don't miss *****)
FF Intro vid to (Near) End (It should highlight this Malibu combo)
https://wavegarden.com/
https://wavegarden.com/

Gurlz vs Guyz Montage ...Still good! (Gurlz Win Easy)
This clip also pays Homage to Iconic Surf Flow Flix (Salute!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0xLi6B_7Gc

Bonus (Rare Drone Pit Cam of traditional Wavegarden Goofy Demolition Derby)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC7BHYlFRAs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTBsG-2DN_U

Jacob Szekely Airz.
https://www.facebook.com/Wavegarden/videos/650273172356899/

Our Featured Gromz powering on into the Night.
https://www.facebook.com/Wavegarden/videos/659726724932083/