Cannabis Legislation

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overthefalls started the topic in Tuesday, 29 Sep 2020 at 9:03am

New Zealand goes to the polls on October 17 to vote on cannabis legislation, which makes me wonder when, if ever, Australia will get to have a say in the matter. Supposing there was a similar referendum in Australia, how would you vote and what would be your reasons?

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Sheepdog Sunday, 11 Apr 2021 at 2:36pm

Sports drug agencies WADA and ASADA both consider cannabis to be "performance ENHANCING", and AFL star Willie Rioli is currently banned for tampering with his urine sample, AND then having cannabis metabolites found in his secondary urine test.
At the very same time time, Police , courts, and governments list cannabis as performance DECREASING, and you can lose your drivers licence and get a criminal record if metabolites are found in your system.
Schrodingers buds.

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truebluebasher Sunday, 1 Aug 2021 at 4:35pm

PM : "I never inhaled Charred Remains!"

Joints 4 Jabz
https://www.amny.com/news/vaxxers-toke-up-activists-say-dont-be-doobious...
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/joints-for-jabs-weed-giveaway-to-be-ava...

Pouch for yer Ouch
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ajherrington/2021/01/14/get-a-free-bag-of-m...

Pot for a Shot (Pot Shots)
https://in.news.yahoo.com/free-marijuana-taking-covid-19-055144606.html

Cone for yer groan
Weed for the Evil Deed.
Coke and a Poke
Trip to the Tip

We've run outta gear to curb yer fear.
Nurse! Could you grab us another Beer!
Ain't no Vax hesitancy 'round here!

Psst!
https://media.beam.usnews.com/fe/4c/2cf0be1f42c6a655ea1a82b396b6/2021050...

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philosurphizing... Thursday, 5 Aug 2021 at 9:38am
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https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/andrews-government-quashes-p...

You would think they could have some compassion and legalise it to help people get through the pandemic.
Remember the "MR Whippy '' ice cream vans and the music the van would play.
Well you could set up ''MR Hippy'' vans that visit your suburb each week blaring out Iron Butterflys ''Ina gada da vida''
https://www.bing.com/search?q=in+a+gadda+da+vida+meaning&qs=SC&pq=ina+ga...

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Blowin Thursday, 5 Aug 2021 at 11:06am

Just goes to show that, despite all the woke rhetoric, the Victorian ALP are still reactionary conservatives. Right wing scumbags. The worst bit is that the criminalisation of pot is basically class war, always has been. Curious to see how much the illegality of yarndi contributes to incarceration rates for indigenous Australians. As long as Dan has the backing of the church it’s all good!

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brutus Thursday, 5 Aug 2021 at 11:42am

it's rather ironic , that here in Vicco , you can get a medical marijuana script which allows you to buy pot at the local pharmacy at $35 a gram......10g's for $350......

the Andrews Govt has followed the twisted advice of the police......and ignored the advice of all the experts....then again what would you expect from Politicians?

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san Guine Thursday, 5 Aug 2021 at 11:49am

Yeh brutus,
It's blatant hypocrisy, given that we're following the advice of experts on the pandemic and any number of other public health issues.
Probably already posted but...

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groundswell Thursday, 5 Aug 2021 at 1:37pm

Produced by nylon no doubt

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Optimist Thursday, 5 Aug 2021 at 3:42pm

Its interesting how Govt's become the drug dealers to get a swag of taxes. First tobacco and now weed. So stupid it's laughable and downright embarrassing. The Gov. become the crime gang regulating one of God's plants again.There are places in Australia where little opium poppy groves grow wild. Just pretty flowers to most. The police go every year and cut them all down for goodness sakes. Plants should be left to people to choose what to do and there should be no crime attached to a natural thing like that....The only crime should be in cashing in on anothers addiction so the Gov. should probably lock themselves up.

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Hutchy 19 Thursday, 5 Aug 2021 at 9:40pm

I agree Optimist . Governments all over the world love to tax peoples vices . Add betting and alcohol .

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truebluebasher Friday, 6 Aug 2021 at 2:45pm

Police State raids have netted enough seeds to grow the world's biggest Cannabis Crop.
Qldurrz almost finished building their wall to lock out those stoner Mexicans Cheech'n'Chong
1,500 Mutants can quarantine at Wellcamp, but only if they roll a few billion Joints 4 EU Backpackers

https://www.transcontinental.com.au/story/7094757/aust-medicinal-cannabi...

https://www.asterioncannabis.com/investors/media/

Down's Lad : "Ma! They're gonna put up some of them Large Fancy Greenhouses!"
Ma : "Boy! Are they gonna get really stoned, after one of our Fancy SEQ storms."

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truebluebasher Thursday, 26 Aug 2021 at 11:28pm

15th Sept 2020 Howard Springs Uber Munchies Busted.

Told ya not to order the Snickerz Pizza...that's a real bummer man!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-15/alice-springs-covid-19-quarantine...

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truebluebasher Thursday, 16 Sep 2021 at 6:39pm

Apparently it's even harder to Reverse Cannabis Legislation...ask Dougie!
1991 Darko Desic was Jailed for 3 & half years for Cannabis Plant/s.
1st Aug 1992 Darko uses hacksaw blade & bolt cutters to break outta Grafton Prison
2008 Oz gives up looking & offers Dougie Oz citizenship.
https://www.ladbible.com/news/latest-man-on-the-run-in-australia-for-nea...
2021 Avalon "Dougie" is evicted & sleeping rough on the Beach
Dopey Dougie can't hack Lockdown & is pleading to break back into a comfortable Jail cell.

Dougie stars in the new Reality TV Show!..."I'm a Fugitive...get me outta Lockdown!"

Crew are all stoked with a Happy Ending...err not quite... Wot Now?

Apparently the Avalon dogooderz are Go Funding legals to keep Dougie outta Jail ... ( FFS! )
https://www.gofundme.com/f/rebuilding-a-life-for-darko-dougie-desic?utm_...
[ Locals Only ]
https://www.northernbeachesreview.com.au/story/7433571/avalon-community-...

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Supafreak Friday, 17 Sep 2021 at 7:27am

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truebluebasher Thursday, 25 Nov 2021 at 4:20pm

2 Steins of Lager & a Little Green Bag please...make that a Booster Pack to Go!

https://www.politico.eu/article/cannabis-germany-government-spd-fdp/

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truebluebasher Saturday, 5 Feb 2022 at 3:14pm

Oz Potheadlines (Bumper Crop)
https://www.tga.gov.au/medicinal-cannabis
https://www.tga.gov.au/medicinal-cannabis-news-and-updates

16th Nov 2021 : TGA Streamline Medi Pot + Category % Listing
These backyard brews can now be directly prescribed without separate individual approval.
CBD (Cat' 1 > 3) Cat' 1 ( 98%) Cat' 2 (60-98%) Cat' 3 ( 40-60%) Likely the Kiddies Gummy Bears
tbb is not joking 'bout the Gummy Bears...Wellcamp "Asterion" are gonna brew heaps of Pot Lollies.

These high end brews are reserved for retired VIP Psychopathic Pollies @ $2m/year Script!
THC (Cat' 4 > 5) Cat' 4 (60-98%) Cat' 5 ( 98%) Cyclonic Brew

Dec 2021 : Saint Francis + Rick got busted brewing Snake Oil or some kinda unlisted miracle elixir.
https://www.tga.gov.au/media-release/commcare-wa-pty-ltd-st-francis-phar...
https://www.tga.gov.au/media-release/sa-individual-fined-7992-alleged-un...

Ok! So why the hurry on for WR Medicinal Pot?
Pandemic > Emergency GM Medicines = Emergency GM Cannabis = Emergency Big Farma GM Crops
2020/21 Oz emergency rubber stamped GM Crop approvals > Potato / Corn / Soy / Canola / Wheat
Cradle to grave GM is easily dosed thru Baby Formula > Vaxed Food > Medi-Cannabis > Palliative.
re: tbb 5th Jan 2021 https://www.swellnet.com/comment/788289

Here's the latest from Asterion Wellcamp Qld
"Asterion has entered into a collaborative research contract with the "Qld Alliance for Agriculture and Food Innovation" (QAAFI) at Qld Uni ...consisting of an 18 month, 'proof-of-concept (Clonal Propagation Research Program)."
(Sure! Medicinal Cannabis is the cover!) But is that food innovation?
* The outcome will be to develop 'proof-of-concept' for in vitro propagation of the selected cultivars.
* Repeatable High Yield > Eliminating the need for Mothers & manual cloning.
* Intellectual Property will be wholly owned by Asterion.

There is little to no talk of Patient Health only ever Crop Yield...one has to worry 'bout their main aim!
TGA approved this as a Medical facility not a GM baked bean factory!
https://www.odc.gov.au/manufacturers-and-suppliers-medicinal-cannabis-pr...

"One of the most Foolproof & cost effective means to intro Tech Change into Agriculture is the seed!"
8th Oct 2019 (CRISPR) Oz Govt permits GM Trials of Grain Crops & Animals...

Where's tbb goin' with this...( Cue above...German Pot Craze ) Germany are EU Fortress against GM...
Asterion GM modified Pot is to break down EU German resistance...just as the GM Vax
Page 24 QAAFI : Pr Godwin : "Scientists urged to Fight GMO Fake News!"
https://qaafi.uq.edu.au/files/24204/2018%20QAAFI%20AR%20final%20web%20sp...

German Cannamedical Pharma signed a $92m / 9 year deal for Oz cannabis Flowers from (ANTG)
Asterion have partnered NSW 2015 ANTG
https://australiannatural.com/
https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2021-04-15/australias-biggest-medicina...

tbb believes US State of Qld is brokering the EU GM trials thru this GM seed bank.
It kinda weds excusable open ended EU / Oz GM trials with a legit "Medically Sterilized Crop!"
Pot revolution can equally be viewed as a GM backdoor...
The rush is about GM via exploiting Emergency Cannabis treatment for Mental Health re: Covid.
Gp's can now or soon write GM Crop scripts for any patient (eg: GM crops cure patients > GM is safe!)
Investors in Cannabis can be seen as investors in GM food crops...just saying it does look that way!

Might pay to trace back Pot legalization with GM Crop timelines...devil is on yer shoulder!
Crew will agree that both Oz Pot Legalization & Emergency GM Crops are one of the same coin!
Not odd at all...that this is about GM Medi Pot Crop approval...no backing off from policing of possession.

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truebluebasher Sunday, 6 Feb 2022 at 7:28pm

Finally cracked it...
Why you need a Health Crisis for Medicinal Cannabis to intro GM Crops.
Medicinal Cannabis introduces world scale GM process...but how!

Unlike other crops, Medicinal Cannabis strictly prohibits both Weeds & Pesticide.
Thereby requiring 100% weed / poison free GM Plant strains.
So it helps if one can stoke a market for Medi Pot...Pandemic rehab is the perfect fit!

Examples
1996 California Medi Pot was legislated alongside California GM Weed Crops
Weed free Medi / Food crops were born from this year of dual legislation.
We can assume Medi Cannabis Crops were the catalyst for 100% weed free GM crops!

2001 Canada Medi Pot was the basis for AIDS / Cancer Drug iMATinib
Again! This must be sourced from pesticide & weed free GM Medi Pot

Fast Forward to now & Canada join NSW / Qld Uni for World Wide Pot strains part/seed bank.
World leading Qld site will develop weed resistant Medi Pot strains from & for each Medi Pot Country.

Qld Uni Professor Godwin will likely run many GM Qld crop trials...possibly also for EU.
It's important to remind that "GM Plant/Animal trials" are currently approved in Oz.
Technically this is WR sized GM research Facility for all living things.

Weeds! Noting that African Boxthorn infests Darling Downs / Riverina / Sunraysia!
Could be that they're looking to breed Wheat crops resistant to this common weed.
Weeds currently cost Oz $4b in lost productivity.

These are also the first 100% GM Crops that EU / Germany are partnering.
Worldly Medi Cannabis continues to break down resistance to GM...it is what it is!

1979 Trials > 1983...Mary Chilton's first GM crop was Tobacco...so this is a long expected progression.
https://croplife.org/news/chilton-honored-for-creating-first-genetically...

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jedi old mate Monday, 7 Feb 2022 at 1:23pm
truebluebasher wrote:
Oz Potheadlines (Bumper Crop)
https://www.tga.gov.au/medicinal-cannabis
https://www.tga.gov.au/medicinal-cannabis-news-and-updates

Hey TBB,

Great links and interesting correlation. However being recently being approved by the TGA to access Medical Cannabis I find that it's still very much a legal grey area where one can manipulate the rules to there favour once they are approved.
My GP said herself that once you get approval from the TGA that it may be a better option for me to access Cannabis products from the black market as it's cheaper. I have a letter from my doctor that I can show Police and Employers in the instance of Drug Tests and possession dilemmas etc. But for the sheer convenience and assurance of dosing consistency and quality I choose to use the local pharmacy for supply currently. I know numerous people who access Medical Cannabis and the stigma is very much dissolving but the line between medicinal use and recreation can be manipulated for some.
There is so much money in it now that it's in the TGA's and private companies best interest to approve people, some Medical Cannabis services offer consultations without a referral from your GP. I have friends accessing medical cannabis for knee or shoulder problems, its no longer for exclusively terminal patients.

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GreenJam Monday, 7 Feb 2022 at 5:35pm

thanks TBB as always for your insights

Jedi - still such early days in Oz, it is going to be very interesting watching how it plays out. Certainly a grey area OS, and hasnt always played out as local communities, governments and authorities might have thought.

re products - I'm interested to hear what you can access? it is pure CBD oil? any THC allowed?
My gut feeling is I'd stick to organic whole plant products - I'm not sure that's what the large approved medicinal producers will make available. Isnt it precise single ingredient extracts? It is argued these will lack the 'entourage effect'. Plus those extracts are expensive, so that is why I think many will access (and would be better off accessing) the 'black market'. And currently do.
How would you letter go with a positive roadside drug test? That assumes your medical cannabis contains THC?

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jedi old mate Tuesday, 8 Feb 2022 at 5:26pm
GreenJam wrote:

thanks TBB as always for your insights

Jedi - still such early days in Oz, it is going to be very interesting watching how it plays out. Certainly a grey area OS, and hasnt always played out as local communities, governments and authorities might have thought.

re products - I'm interested to hear what you can access? it is pure CBD oil? any THC allowed?
My gut feeling is I'd stick to organic whole plant products - I'm not sure that's what the large approved medicinal producers will make available. Isnt it precise single ingredient extracts? It is argued these will lack the 'entourage effect'. Plus those extracts are expensive, so that is why I think many will access (and would be better off accessing) the 'black market'. And currently do.
How would you letter go with a positive roadside drug test? That assumes your medical cannabis contains THC?

Greetings Green Jam,

I'm happy to answer any questions you have as there is still a lot of confusion and stigma surrounding medical cannabis. I've only had my prescription for a month. At this point in time I have access to and use on a daily basis Cannabidiol (CBD) oil extracted Cannabis sp. which I take with breakfast and Lunch and then I have either THC Oil or a CBD/THC Oil blend that I take in the afternoon/ night.
Having a very limited understanding of chemistry I can't comment in much depth on the variety of cannabinoids present in the oils I have versus whole plant products. But I do agree with you in that regard and subscribe to the entourage effect and from my experience the way even the cannabinoids interact from combining CBD and THC is significantly different from the effect and high of THC alone. I feel that combining the 2 really really mitigates the negative effects that THC can cause for me such as overthinking and mild paranoia.

"How would you letter go with a positive roadside drug test?"
That is something that your doctor discusses extensively with you and tries to work out an appropriate dosing schedule with you. Which is why I generally try not have any THC until I won't have to drive for the day but sometimes I require pain relief from the THC in the morning and I may drive later on that day. He said particular for oils as opposed to smoking its even more important to brush your teeth and tongue thoroughly before driving and its far less likely to read on a test. He says that it's a really tricky one and only one of his clients so far has been taken to court for a positive RDT and it got thrown out in court. My doc advised me prior to the drug test to present my letter and disclose to the police that I may have THC in my system as I use medical cannabis and hopefully they won't swab me as it is a massive headache for both parties. Once they swab you and you test positive it must be reported and recorded no matter the circumstances which means you will be going to court. My understanding is that it can vary upon the magistrate but in my local area from what I gather is that the charges will be swiftly dismissed so its not worth the police pursuing.

He said the letter allows me to travel with it on planes and entitles me to use it all over Australia but being a surfer he advised that I don't try to fly with Indo with it ;)

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truebluebasher Sunday, 8 May 2022 at 12:52am

swellnet 2022 Cannabis Voting Guide...dedicated to the cool crew!

tbb is reviewing Minor Party Platforms & was blown away by Medi Pot support.
Swear well over half & a clear majority were pushin' it!
But it wasn't clear exactly what model, only that they were jumpin' on the bandwagon for Votes.
Truly...All are exploiting Medi Pot users for the Votes as all were also aboard the Speed Rail!
We got that one...Check & Check! tbb will reveal more VIP Tickets after minor parties review!

Thought to check...the old school party hacks & see if they were still relevant.
Australian Marijuana Party > Hemp Party > Legalise Cannabis Australia...(Them! They'll do! )

Got another surprise! The Pot Party was well across who's inhaling what & who's sellin' scripts!
This is Stoner Heaven for the Ultimate Toke'n'Vote! ... Get a whiff of this!
(Off the Planet Vote Guide is better than Green Ant's Live Gigs)
Anyone think these Pot Parties are a bit Laid Back...then check out this ***** Review!

https://legalise.org.au/election/other-party-policy/

Wiki are left scratchin' their Heads on how these Nimbin Stoners fried their Matrix
AEC : We haven't even finished registering half of them parties yet...just wait for us!

Albo be like ... Gotta get me some of that high brow shit man...("Dude Sweet Dude!")

Crew salutes Legalise Cannabis Australia for blowin' us all away!

Title : { Nice Day for The Beach } by Gail Hester... (Very nice indeed!)
https://scontent.fbne6-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/279759134_101600270...

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=514968683519436&set=gm.548651052138...

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groundswell Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 5:29pm

if cannabis becomes legal it will be six hundred dollars a pound of top shelf, like it is in California and Colorado.Waste of time growing indoors.

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zenagain Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 6:50pm

I have a friend who is having a lot of trouble getting his germinated seeds into the seedling stage. The seeds are germinating but failing when transplanted into soil. How much sunlight do they need and is direct sunlight harmful?

Any tips?

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blackers Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 7:17pm

Just asking for friend eh Zen? Sure you are….

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groundswell Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 7:18pm

Keep em under a twenty three or so watt compact flouro lamp about twenty cm away in a cardboard box until they start getting spiky true leaves and lots of roots. Also use wrapped grodan rockwool cubes to start them off. To germinate them soak seeds in a cup of clean water overnight then put them in a wet paper towel for a few days. You should see tap root within three days if seeds are quality.

Keep unused seeds in the fridge in a satchet and spot where they wont get wet or anything spilt on the satchet.

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 7:57pm
zenagain wrote:

I have a friend who is having a lot of trouble getting his germinated seeds into the seedling stage. The seeds are germinating but failing when transplanted into soil. How much sunlight do they need and is direct sunlight harmful?

Any tips?

I don't know how anyone can have trouble growing pot even as a grommet i had no issues, i don't grow anymore though.

But here's some advice for growing outdoors.

Basically treat them exactly like you would most sun loving vegetables in all regards from germination to a mature plant.

Germination: In small pots, seeds just under the soil a few mm deep not too deep, keep moist but not wet in a spot that ideally gets morning sun until lunch. (want some warmth) yeah you can soak seeds overnight like said above can speed up germination.

Transplant: To bigger pot or ground if in a pot a high quality potting mix is a must as is a pot the drains well, if in the ground a rich free draining mix like a good vegetable garden, first water is always a good water ideally with watering can and with Seasol or similar product.

Then after that just a regular water every few days, keep moist but not wet (too wet will cause seedlings to dampen off/rot), and doesn't hurt to allow to dry out between waters a little, a mulch and regular fertilise just like vegetables will do absolute wonders to growth and get a strong root system that is the most important aspect to a produce a strong robust plant of size.

Yes like most vegetables they are a sun loving plant but need some protection from harsh midday to arvo sun if seedlings, when bigger as long as well watered they enjoy as much sun as possible.

Disclaimer: Of course this advice is only for those in areas where its legal to grow plants for personal use.

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zenagain Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 7:58pm

Thanks guys.

I'll tell my mate.

Edit: Quick question Groundy- is that one of those curly CFL lights? And second, does my mate leave the light on 24 hours?

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groundswell Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 8:20pm

yep but indo dreamings advice is good for outdoors.

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Constance B Gibson Wednesday, 11 May 2022 at 8:22am

I like id's older previous advice*: just rip off some other cunt's crop.

Cool bananas, eh.

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Constance B Gibson Wednesday, 11 May 2022 at 8:24am

*Disclaimer: no, I don't like it. Scumbag shit.

But then who's surprised by anything id dribbles out?

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Optimist Wednesday, 11 May 2022 at 4:25pm

Trust the greens to want to regulate and cash in on it…just let people grow a couple of plants and make it illegal to sell but legal to give to ya mate for free…..end of the crime factor as we know it….too easy.

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Supafreak Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 7:28pm

. https://www.9news.com.au/world/thailand-cannabis-plants-one-million-give...