Is the worlds greatest small wave surfer a pussy?

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Roadkill started the topic in Tuesday, 4 Jun 2019 at 5:13pm

If I was on tour and got labeled the worlds greatest small wave surfer, I’d be pissed and embarrassed and have a point to prove. After being found wanting at Teahupo’o and now at the box...is Toledo better suited to a cat fanciers competition where the old ladies can stroke him? So, what’s the verdict? Pussy or not?

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Supafreak commented Tuesday, 4 Jun 2019 at 5:37pm

I think toledo surfed unreal in 2017 at mainbreak he really impressed me on the larger days with his style and power surfing, l quite like toledo except how he looks at the judges everyte he pulls an air . He was at Lakey peak before kremas this year and the general consensus was that he was pretty mellow and a good bloke in the water along with his traveling buddies which is unusual for most brazzos , he was even overhead talking about medina and how he hoped he didn’t turn up with his traveling circus. He may have struggled at the box but he’s far from a pussy in waves of consequence. He has really improved the last few seasons and it can’t be easy when you’re about 45kg ringing wet. I just hope brazil produces some decent waves as otherwise it’s extremely boring. I think the rivalry between aussies and brazzos is good and most get along well but of course there is dicks on both sides. Don’t think toledo cares if he’s labeled greatest small wave surfer , the guy usually tries his best.

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indo-dreaming commented Tuesday, 4 Jun 2019 at 5:48pm

Pussy is going a bit far but yeah certainly heavy hollow and very solid waves are an area he needs to improve in.

Getting a match up with Jack Robinson was just bad luck, even JJF would have had trouble against him at the Box.

Personally of all the Brazilians Toledo is my fav, just needs to really put some time into his areas of weakness.

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lostdoggy commented Tuesday, 4 Jun 2019 at 6:06pm

If he spends a bit of time and has a crack at a few slabs I think he'll work it out.
Has the skills. I don't think he's a pussy.
I reckon it just hasn't clicked for him yet.

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shoredump commented Tuesday, 4 Jun 2019 at 6:41pm

Definitely a pussy. You see it all the time at your local level. Theres pussys with no talent and they just suck. There’s pussys with heaps of talent and totally rip but are always absent on the bigger days, there’s chargers who have no talent but will give it a go anyway, then there’s the elite, chargers with loads of talent, they’re the best. It is what it is. All of us fall into one of those four categories

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velocityjohnno commented Tuesday, 4 Jun 2019 at 6:46pm

Well, he looked pretty damn impressive taking those big drops at Bells on the day of the finals. Only JJF and Toledo were air dropping under a cascade of white water on 3x head, or bigger sets.

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ojackojacko commented Wednesday, 5 Jun 2019 at 7:17am

he pulled into some decent pits at the box and was humble talking about getting owned afterwards. he s no jack robbo and the big sucky stuff looks like a weakness for him but that doesn’t make him a pussy. i don’t think slater’s comment was a backhanded compliment, just a compliment. the greatest *anything* to have ever lived coming from the goat is not bad in an era when medina and jjf are at/near their peak

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wally commented Wednesday, 5 Jun 2019 at 7:23am

I don’t think a pussy would hoist airs as high as Filipe is willing to go. It’s dangerous. Airs cause more injuries than big waves for the top echelon. He must have persevered thru thousands of crash landings to get his air game.

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 5 Jun 2019 at 8:34am

Filipe will never be accused of charging too hard.

And this may not appear to matter superficially to his career.

He’s earning huge money and respect for his small wave wizardry. Why try harder ? Why put your body and career on the line just to silence the naysayers who aren’t happy with him just being the best sub-four foot wave rider in history ?

Because surfing isn’t just about performance. It’s also about dedication . And nothing says dedication more than throwing yourself over the ledge in heavy surf.

Think of those underground chargers who wouldn’t get a second glance in marginal conditions, yet who receive the highest levels of respect from the entire surfing world purely for their unwavering commitment. Think Camel.

Then think of how close Jadson Andre came to elevating beyond the air reverse/ nicest guy on tour tag , how close his relentless charging out at the box came to winning over everyone who’s ever dismissed his talents as shallow and two dimensional.

And think how he threw that love away by whinging about the conditions and the WSL , rather than holding his head high and demonstrating that the fans are worth the pain.

Cause let’s never forget that itsthe fans who pay the bills. Pro surfers are first and foremost entertainers. The love from the fans is what keeps them employed.

That’s why Filipe needs to step up. He needs to step out of his comfort zone if he ever wants the respect , the love and the money.

He’s got to start going if he ever wants the quan. A world champ without quan ......no one wants that.

Filipe needs to forget his Hurley support love-in and go on a camping trip with Koby Abberton to a heavy wave in an isolated location and learn to charge through osmosis.

Filipe - Help Koby help you

https://youtu.be/HbA1l1qsalw

https://youtu.be/QhVuXKypPs0

And being the best small wave surfer in the world is limiting yourself to a career spanning the time till the next leap in small wave techniques, which is usually a turn around of about 5 years . You know what happens then ?

https://youtu.be/NfBVRqZPb2w

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sharkman commented Wednesday, 5 Jun 2019 at 9:40am

blowin , sub 4 feet.....how big was the wave that he did those 2 x airs at J-Bay ....6'....probably one of the best waves ever surfed in competition history and solid J-Bay.
He made a final at Bells in solid surf , surfs Pipe and back door pretty good , and for people who call him a pussy, would love to see you out at the box/pipe or chopes , but then again you might be better than him, yeah right?

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ojackojacko commented Wednesday, 5 Jun 2019 at 9:44am

agree sharkman. for all the criticisms, filipe’s big carves are only matched/bettered by a few on tour

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stunet commented Wednesday, 5 Jun 2019 at 9:47am

Seems to be that FT isn't afraid of heavy waves, and he also 'wants' it, a fact proven by his extended stays at Chopes, but it all comes down to him not being that great in the big stuff.

Some surfers are great all-rounders, and some, no matter how hard they try, aren't. At that level it's not enough to simply be good in big waves, you have to perform at the very outer reaches of the scale, and FT's not there.

Also, to Wally's point, go back and look at his 2018 air at Saquerema which shows another kind of ballsiness. There'd be skaters balking at that height and distance.

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zenagain commented Wednesday, 5 Jun 2019 at 9:48am

Blowy, Fellipe aint no ho-dad squidlips.

Watashi wa metabo oyagi desu.

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goofyfoot commented Wednesday, 5 Jun 2019 at 11:30am

I’d rather surf Jaws naked, Switchfoot, and coming off a 3 day bender than go camping with Koby Abberton. Ughhh

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sharkman commented Wednesday, 5 Jun 2019 at 11:54am

Lets not also forget , it was only in their mid 20's that Parko and Mick went to Chopes and Cloudbreak to learn how to ride big barrels....at what age did they both become threats at Pipe and in Hawaii??

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zenagain commented Wednesday, 5 Jun 2019 at 12:28pm

x 2 Goof.

and take a paper cut to the japs-eye for good measure.

Watashi wa metabo oyagi desu.

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 5 Jun 2019 at 1:12pm

Sharkman- If someone was paying me literally millions of dollars to surf , I had Filipe’s skill set , there was multiple rescue skis on hand and with thousands of people watching me dog sets whilst my professional peers had a go , then too right I’d take off.

Wouldn’t you ?

I wouldn’t be scoring zero heat totals at Chopes.

I’m no charger but I’m not paid to get stuck in. Filipe is. I don’t blame him for not wanting to , but its his job.

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sharkman commented Wednesday, 5 Jun 2019 at 2:36pm

Blowin are you still stuck on that heat where Toledo hurt his arm and didn't catch a wave?
Good to know that you would be better than Toledo at the Box/Pipe/Chopes , because if you are not we could call you a kitten!

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stunet commented Wednesday, 5 Jun 2019 at 2:40pm

Are you a kitten, Blowin?

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 5 Jun 2019 at 2:48pm

meow.

Hey , I don’t really give a fuck whether Toledo catches waves or not. That’s his business.

It’s up to him if he wants to be liable to be the butt of his competitors jokes. But he didn’t seem to enjoy Slater’s little dig at Keramas.

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indo-dreaming commented Wednesday, 5 Jun 2019 at 3:56pm

"Lets not also forget , it was only in their mid 20's that Parko and Mick went to Chopes and Cloudbreak to learn how to ride big barrels....at what age did they both become threats at Pipe and in Hawaii??"

I was thinking exactly the same thing the other day when read this thread, early days at Pipe they were like fish out of water.

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shoredump commented Wednesday, 5 Jun 2019 at 5:31pm

I’m not bagging Toledo at all. I think he’s the worlds best surfer right now, all things considered. But there’s an unmistakable difference in surfers wanting it, when it’s at consequence. The Slater / Panda heat at the box was a good example. Slater wasn’t really surfing it well in the first half, but he wanted the sets. Cardoso clearly didn’t want them, to my surprise. Surely you’ve see Julian Wilson’s mad spinning eyes when Pipe is heaving? Well Toledo is the opposite of that

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Island Bay commented Thursday, 6 Jun 2019 at 4:27am

Does it really matter? Do all surfers have to love scary waves, or battle bravely to overcome their worst fears?

I think it's quite interesting and refreshing that some are really good in small waves, some are hellmen, some do a bit of both.

Fwiw, on Shoredump's scale, I'm the not very talented guy giving it a go, but there's heaps of room for improvement on both counts. Not sweating it, though.

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simba commented Thursday, 6 Jun 2019 at 6:37am

yeah who cares cause the cream always rises to the top and very few people are good at everything.So i love watching him blow up in small to medium waves and i love watching him take on his own inner demons when its dangerous,but give him credit for what he does well.He ain't no pussy.

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yocal commented Thursday, 6 Jun 2019 at 10:08am

The takeoff at the box is often 'easy' when the swell direction is right, but still on maybe more than half of the waves, the roll-in isn't available. You can see that Jack Robbo knows it intuitively. I notice in the comps- its clear when someone hasn't spent time there & don't seem to be able to pick the roll-ins. There's plenty of wide ones which look & are un-makeable from the roll-in point. So they sit further down the line toward the worst & hollowest part of the wave & pay the price.

Go deeper Taylor, go deeper!

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fitzroy-21 commented Thursday, 6 Jun 2019 at 12:58pm

You may also remember that A.I. was shaking with fear and shit scared to throw himself over the edge at Chopes when he first surfed it and he was Hawaiian, grew up in waves of consequence. Look what happened to him, mastered the place.

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zenagain commented Thursday, 6 Jun 2019 at 1:45pm

A couple of lines of Bolivia's finest probably helped with those shakes Fitz.

Watashi wa metabo oyagi desu.

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goofyfoot commented Thursday, 6 Jun 2019 at 4:36pm

I guess the difference with AI is that he went anyway though. Fil didnt.

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factotum commented Thursday, 6 Jun 2019 at 6:43pm

Where does culture kick in...if at all?

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wally commented Friday, 7 Jun 2019 at 6:53am

Actually GF, Filipe went.

From Filipe’s instagram. Frame : @baronisfilms

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Blowin commented Friday, 7 Jun 2019 at 8:53am

Holy shit !

I’d like to tender a retraction of my earlier comments.

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goofyfoot commented Friday, 7 Jun 2019 at 9:18am

The heat that he sat there and didn’t catch a wave he didn’t, but yeah that’s a bomb

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stunet commented Friday, 7 Jun 2019 at 9:26am

Hard to make the point about being scared when it's during a heat and priority tactics and all sorts of shit are going on.

In 2011 Yadin Nicol didn't ride a single wave during the final of the US Open against Slater and it had nothing to do with wave size, either too big or too small. He just dropped his bundle tactically.

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shoredump commented Friday, 7 Jun 2019 at 9:26am

He’s definitely working hard on his Achilles heel, his fear of heavy waves, and he deserves credit for it.. He went a solid one in his most recent pipe heat as well.

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waxyfeet commented Friday, 7 Jun 2019 at 10:09am

Definitely not a pussy. Has work to do, but the dude's pure class.

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goofyfoot commented Friday, 7 Jun 2019 at 10:33am

Yeah nah Stu, agree to disagree on that one, look I’m a massive fan of his but he pussed out in that heat.
Like others on here have said, he’s been working on it and good on him. If he makes that a strength of his then he’ll nearly be unstoppable. I’m hoping he does because his skills and reflexes are incredible, I’d love to see him packing massive tubes all over the joint. He’s my favourite Brazilian easily

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stunet commented Friday, 7 Jun 2019 at 10:35am

Actually I don't even know which heat you're referring to I just felt like arguing for the sake of it.

Pretty sure I'm right but...

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goofyfoot commented Friday, 7 Jun 2019 at 10:41am

Me either, but I think I’m still right

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Supafreak commented Friday, 7 Jun 2019 at 10:51am

Damien Hardman struggled his whole career with waves of consequence and won a world title. At big pipe or sunset he really didn’t like being out there and it showed, funny thing was at big pipe one year he was letting everything go and then finally took a wave 10-12 ‘which he surfed realy well. Most guys on the tour these days charge hard but the box caught a few out as they hadn’t surfed it before, doesn’t make them pussies , Italo’s first wave everat the box was a gem and there wouldn’t be many surfers in the world who could claim a wave like that first time out. Medina a few years ago struggled at the box and some labeled him a pussy , then he went on to charge and win chopes. Alot of people have knocked Toledo big wave performance in the past but all I can see is a guy that keeps improving with age and dedication.

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shoredump commented Friday, 7 Jun 2019 at 11:07am

That’s kind of the crux of the argument, that Dooma can actually surf large pipe really well, but as you say, avoided it.

Filipe has the talent to get a wave like Italo at the box, but we didn’t see it did we, why, because he didn’t go. Don’t mistake that with couldn’t go.

I’ve watched through Filipes heats that Teahupoo comp that are readily available on WSL. I’m not really sure what happened inside Filipes head that day, but in all fairness, he did go plenty of waves on bigger days during that event. The heat in question did have a bit of rawness about it though. I don’t think it’s a problem though to discuss his obvious fear. What I’ll concede is the P word is probably a bit harsh, but like I said it is what it is. I’m not about to defend Mark Mathews air game either.

I’m a completely shit surfer, no talent, but I’m still out there on large and heavy days having a go. Not going sets in heavy waves will cost any CT surfer heats according to the criteria. Pretty sure Filipe himself came out and admitted that he’s trying to get more comfortable in heavier waves, after releasing the footage of that Teahupoo bomb. So he’s already admitted it himself. To me, admitting that publicly, that was the moment he began to win the battle. I’m one of his biggest fans, have been for years

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shoredump commented Monday, 24 Jun 2019 at 6:36am

Respect where respect is due. That drop to barrel against Kelly yesterday. Oh my god, there is no denying the kitten is growing into a lion. Go Filipe

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Blowin commented Monday, 24 Jun 2019 at 11:28am

The barrels that Kelly and Toledo were catching were mind blowing.

The speed , intensity and unpredictability of those waves were incredible to watch.

Great viewing.