Climate Change Research

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blindboy started the topic in Wednesday, 25 Apr 2018 at 10:07am

I thought I might again.

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blindboy commented Wednesday, 25 Apr 2018 at 10:09am

The European big wave riders will be happy about this, though probably no-one else.
https://www.plymouth.ac.uk/news/winter-wave-heights-and-extreme-storms-o...

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Clam commented Wednesday, 25 Apr 2018 at 2:57pm

Very good article blindy that is very interesting

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blindboy commented Friday, 15 Jun 2018 at 7:07pm

Here is the new paper on ice shelf collapse. It adds to our ever increasing concern about Antarctica.
http://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0212-1

And the draft of the IPCC report due later in the year has been leaked. Oh shit!
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jun/15/leaked-un-draft-repo...

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blindboy commented Thursday, 21 Jun 2018 at 5:25pm

Tony Abbott is conducting community consultations early next month. You need to register to attend so get in early to remind him that clean coal is nothing more than dirty politics funded by even dirtier money.

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chook commented Thursday, 21 Jun 2018 at 7:39pm

abbott knows that better than we do -- he's the one taking the dirty money. no need to remind him.

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velocityjohnno commented Saturday, 23 Jun 2018 at 6:36pm

The absolutely crazy weather continues, solar system wide:

https://www.space.com/40952-mars-dust-storm-2018-covers-entire-planet.html

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davetherave commented Sunday, 24 Jun 2018 at 7:05am

vj, mars once housed humanoid civilization. they mucked around with electromagnetic technology like the tesla deathray and zapped their atmosphere and of course tectonic activity increased as well and they wiped themselves out with a few getting away. where to, you may then ask?
hence elon musk and co fascinated because of ancient memory. no need to go to mars, some of us been there and fucked it up already. think atlantis. sounds like a good hollywood screenplay hey?????
but yes, all things interacting due to sun's growth- inbreath and outbreath, just a different timeframe process, fascinating to be part of. well done for realising our interconnectivity cause it will allow you to know more about yourself and ourself and what some call god- or the oneself, that is, the livingself. sunday morning reflections as the sun rises over the lovely tweed river and shines into my bedroom-have a great day, happy surfing.
got good rain event to happen this week to water inland nsw and qld. unseasonal so they say, but very welcomed.

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Quint commented Sunday, 24 Jun 2018 at 8:25am

The Politically Incorrect Guide to Climate Change, by the evil planet killer Marc Morano!
Marc Morano, Godfather
“…a central cell of the Climate-denial Machine”

In the climate debate, few men are more central, more loathed and feared than Marc Morano. In the flesh, few men are more warm, witty and polished — an absolute gentleman and a delight to be around. He’s so effective he’s been rated one of the top 17 “planet killers”, and according to the Daily Kos, “Evil Personified”. Thank goodness he’s on our side.

Not surprisingly, with so much going for him, he was the villain of the Merchants of Doubt documentary. Newsweek called him “King of the Skeptics” and Esquire Magazine devoted six thousand words to trying to unpack and investigate his key role in climate politics.

For a few years Morano worked for Senator Inhofe, who at the time was virtually the only Republican standing up to the media, academia and the UN on climate change. When Leonardo DiCaprio and National Geographic released their top ten list of climate deniers, Inhofe was number one, and Morano, number two.

Finally the man behind all this and Climate Depot — who is probably the closest to politics without being a politician — has written The Politically Incorrect Guide to Climate Change.

Like a bullet it is now the #1 New Release in Environmental Science books. Let’s help keep it there. Right now, Leonardo’s worst fear is that you will buy this book and give it to people on the fence, impressionable teens, and any decent, deplorable teachers. Ask your local library to get a copy.

The Politically Incorrect Guide to Climate Change
Click for the link to the Kindle Version

The Paperback Version $19.79: The Politically Incorrect Guide to Climate Change, By Marc Morano
The Kindle Edition. $11.
From the great Richard Lindzen:

With his book “Politically Incorrect Guide to Climate Change”, Marc Morano vies to be the Thomas Paine of the movement to save the world from the tyranny of climate catastrophists. He exposes the seemingly infinite number of absurd claims, and the almost unbounded hypocrisy and venality of the proponents of this clearly inhuman and scientifically implausible attempt to control mankind by controlling and, more importantly, restricting access to energy. This book is an unrelenting polemic of the best kind.

— Emeritus MIT climate scientist Dr. Richard Lindzen

The book has been endorsed by Nobel Prize Winning scientist Dr. Ivar Giaever. (see below)

Rush Limbaugh praised Climate Depot’s Morano in 2009:

“Morano’s probably single-handedly, in a civilian sense, the guy (other than me, of course) doing a better job of ringing the bells alarming people of what’s going on here.” – November 20, 2009

This book is the ultimate reference guide to climate change and no parent should be without a copy as their kids under climate education at school from elementary through college!

http://joannenova.com.au/2018/03/the-politically-incorrect-guide-to-clim...

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Quint commented Sunday, 24 Jun 2018 at 8:32am

This latest newsletter is from Jon Gray the archaeologist.

"ARCHAEOLOGY NEWSFLASH 683

,this news is from Jonathan Gray, international
field archaeologist - www.beforeus.com You authorized
this mailing when you requested your free report on our
web-site or a friend enrolled you. See below for removal
directions.

, A HIGH-SPIRITED FILLY, WAS THE PRINCESS. She
could down alcohol with the best of them. The binge had
gone on all afternoon.

I don’t know what triggered the idea. It may have been a
dare. Or just plain and simple curiosity. In any case, what
I shall relate to you shortly is almost beyond belief…

GRADUALLY RISING SEAS

For 4,000 years, the world’s sea level has been inching up.

The Hadji Ahmed map of 1559, whose original source dates back
thousands of years, shows a landbridge between Siberia and
Alaska, which existed when the original map was drawn. If
the ocean between these two land masses were lowered 100 feet
today, there would be a dry-land path between them.

According to some oceanographers and geologists, the ocean
level may have been as much as 500 feet lower than today.

Ireland was connected with England; the North Sea was a great
plain; Italy was joined to Africa, and exposed land cut the
Mediterranean into two lakes.

Since then, the rising seas have engulfed coastal land and
islands, turning isthmuses into straits and large islands
into underwater plateaus.

Along many of the world’s shorelines are lost islands, now
deep below the sea, with remains of cities, palaces and
temples.

THE CONTINENTAL SHELF

In fact, most of the continental shelf, which marks the true
boundaries between the ocean basins and the continental areas,
now lies under a mean depth of 430 feet of water. (It ranges
from 300 feet to about 1,500 feet.)

The present continental shelf probably defines the edge of the
oceans as they developed during the post-Flood glacial peak.
With the ice melt and the draining or evaporation of inland
basins, the seas rose, with minor fluctuations, to their
present level.

“The ocean basins can thus be characterized as overfull –
water not only fills the ocean basins proper, but extends out
over the low margins of the continents.” So notes a panel of
geologists. (J.V. Trumbull, John Lyman, J.F. Pepper and E.M.
Thompson, “An Introduction to the Geology and Mineral resources
of the Continental Shelves of the Americas”, U.S. Geological
Survey Bulletin 1067, 1958, p.11)

Oceanographers and geologists generally agree that a dramatic,
rapid rise of water occurred several thousand years ago. This
has slowed to about 1.5 feet per century.

UNDERSEA CANYONS

Around the world’s coastlines are undersea river canyons, which
were once above the ocean. Such canyons cannot be cut underwater.

* The submerged Hudson Canyon, one hundred miles long and hundreds
of feet deep, could only have been formed above water when this
extension of the Hudson River was dry land.

* Off the coast of Europe are the Loire, Rhone, Seine and Tagus
canyons. The drowned Rhine Valley runs under the North Sea to
disappear between Norway and Scotland – showing that the North
Sea was dry land.

* Numerous other canyons were cut at the edge of the former ocean
basin (now submerged) : La Plata in Argentina, the Delaware and St.
Lawrence in North America, the Congo in West Africa. Off the
African west coast are submerged river canyons whose rivers no
longer exist in the now-arid land.

All these canyons were cut out above water. Now they are submerged.

ANCIENT MAPS SHOW
NOW-DROWNED ISLANDS

The curious Buache map was copied from sources whose origins are
lost in antiquity. This ancient “treasure map” portrays correctly
the location of the Canary Islands and the correct outline of an
underwater plateau which formed their extended shape before the
oceans rose.

Anciently, the Greek islands would have been larger and more
numerous, as well. The Ibn Ben Zara map of 1487 (likewise copied
from charts apparently thousands of years old) does in fact show
many islands which are now under water.

DROWNED CITIES

In the Mediterranean, earth movements resulting from earthquakes
and volcanoes account for most of the submerged cities, but not all.

Because of the general rising of the water level of the
Mediterranean, large sections of cities well known to history are
now under water. Among these are Baise (a sort of ancient Las
Vegas), numerous points along Italy’s western coast, cities along
the Adriatic coast of Yugoslavia, parts of Syracuse in Sicily,
Lepis Magna in Libya, as well as the ancient harbours of Tyre and
Caesarea.

Helike is believed to lie on the sea bottom near Corinth. In
ancient times this sunken city was a tourist attraction for Roman
visitors to Greece. They used to pass over it in boats, admiring
the ruins visible through the clear water. The statue of Zeus,
still standing, was clearly visible on the bottom.

ROADS DISAPPEAR
INTO THE DEEP

A thousand feet offshore from the island of Melos are the ruins of
an ancient city at a depth extending to 400 feet. From it there
branch out roads, descending even deeper – to unknown destinations.

Jacques Costeau found on the sea bottom another paved road far out
in the Mediterranean.

Sicily was once joined to Italy by land over which ships now sail.

GIGANTIC SUBMERGED RELICS

Off Morocco, on the Mediterranean side of Gibraltar, marine
archaeologist Dr. J. Thorne has investigated an undersea wall.
The wall extends for 9 miles atop a submerged mountain 120 feet
below the surface. Some of its stones are each larger than 2-story
houses (about as large as those used in the gigantic foundation of
the Baalbek temple of Lebanon). Dr. Thorne observed roads going
down the mountain further into unknown depths.

ATLANTIC OCEAN RUINS

In 1985, several hundred miles east of the Azores, a Russian
submarine under the command of Nikolai Seleznev, was filming the
ocean floor with a special deep-diving camera, when, at a depth of
120 feet, they noticed a string of stone columns and then a massive
dome-topped building.

“We couldn’t believe our eyes,” he said. “We were viewing an
entire city with magnificent boulevards and avenues and they were
lined with what looked like temples and halls, government buildings
and homes.”

Suddenly their power flickered. The engines shut down on their own
and then the needles on the instruments, including clocks, began to
quiver and run backward. Many of the crew began to hallucinate.

The terrifying experience ended as suddenly as it began, after about
15 minutes. (Australasian post, January 30, 1986)

Other explorers have reported a mysterious energy field in the area.

THE PRANK THAT
KILLED A CITY

The sunken city of Ys is placed traditionally close to the French
coast. Here was played out an intriguing story of juvenile
delinquency. It is reputed that Dahut, the daughter of Gradlon,
king of Ys, during a drinking bout with her lover, opened the city
floodgates with a stolen key, to see what would happen….

(In case you haven’t guessed, the sea rushed in and the whole city
went under, forever!)

THE DAY THE SEA
BROKE THROUGH

England was once part of the European mainland, with a land bridge
between present-day Dover and Calais. During this initial early
period, settlers probably trekked across the intervening valley
unimpeded. But soon the rising sea level became noticeable.

I can imagine a grandfather standing one day on a hilltop with his
grandson. They look down on the valley below. The old man points
and says, “The sea comes further up that inlet now, than when I was
a boy.”

Perhaps that grandson lived to see that first, historic high tide
go roaring all the way through the valley, scouring out its sides,
joining the North Sea with the Channel.

In locations all around England and Wales are submerged forests.
Trawlers have brought up fragments of oak trees in their nets.
The oaks grew where now are 60 fathoms of stormy water.

MORE RECENT INUNDATIONS

Denmark: Off the coast is the small island of Nordstrand. It is
the last trace of a large tract of rich farmland that, as recently
as 300 years ago, was covered by an inrush of the sea. Six thousand
people and their homes were swept away.

Holland: In the thirteenth century, the slowly rising North Sea
suddenly rushed inland over parts of low lying Holland and formed
the big inlet called the Zuider Zee, destroying 30 villages and
80,000 people. Last century, the Dutch reclaimed this rich land
with dykes.

England: During the reign of Henry II, one of the most important
seaports of England was Shipden in Norfolk on the east coast. It
had a large and beautiful church famous all over England. Five
hundred years ago, Shipden was swallowed up by the sea – church,
dock and all.

The Dover Strait is still widening by about one foot a year.

There are, of course, places where land has been built up with
earth eroded from other sites. But the overall result has been
loss of land.

Again, not all underwater ruins resulted from the rising sea level.
In some cases the land actually sank under. Nevertheless the
rising ocean is still slowly but steadily wearing away the
coastlines of the world. Generally the erosion is scarcely noticed.
At times, however, the waves suddenly gulp down wide stretches of
land without warning.

Its the same story around the world... in the Indian Ocean and also
the Pacific.

In fact, I was recently invited to conduct a seminar series the
Solomon Islands in the south west Pacific. The news was given me
of a low-lying island in the Solomons which was recently abandoned
by its inhabitants, who have migrated to land likely to survive
longer.

Currently the sea level is rising at the rate of 1.5 feet (45
centimetres) per century. It’s a pity… some of our most exotic
low-lying tropical islands seem next in line to be swallowed up.

But there’s probably no need to rush your travel agent yet.

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blindboy commented Sunday, 24 Jun 2018 at 9:39am

Just more Republican bullshit artists well funded by the fossil fuel billionaires to sow doubt and preserve their wealth at the expense of human misery and environmental destruction. ...... but hey believe what you like, sad to be so far on the wrong side of history though.

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blindboy commented Sunday, 24 Jun 2018 at 10:19am

"He exposes the seemingly infinite number of absurd claims, and the almost unbounded hypocrisy and venality of the proponents of this clearly inhuman and scientifically implausible attempt to control mankind by controlling and, more importantly, restricting access to energy."

Ha ha ha ha So who controls energy supply, who plays games with its price and restricts supply to maximise profits, who funds opposition to alternative energy sources that could supply cheaper low emission energy? Oh yeh the fossil fuel industry! Fair enough if you are going to lie, might as well go big.

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davetherave commented Sunday, 24 Jun 2018 at 11:28am

split enz were wrong unfortunately, maybe they were, history does repeat, just in another version. greed plus ignorance =dysfunction= extinction= humankind. when a part of a biosphere harms the biosphere, it will ultimately have to become harmonious or be eliminated. examples everywhere that this is the process.

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blindboy commented Sunday, 24 Jun 2018 at 1:39pm

The Guardian and other news outlets are reporting the cover story for the latest issue of Nature on the risks to coral reefs.
http://www.nature.com/nature/volumes/558/issues/7710

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velocityjohnno commented Sunday, 24 Jun 2018 at 3:03pm

Dave the connectivity is a remarkable realisation.

https://phys.org/news/2017-05-magnetic-bridge-nearest-galactic-neighbour...

And yes it is the sun breathing in and out that influences so much, look at what Ulysses found:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulysses_(spacecraft)

"In 2007–2008 data provided by Ulysses led to the determination that the magnetic field emanating from the Sun's poles is much weaker than previously observed.
That the solar wind has "grown progressively weaker during the mission and is currently at its weakest since the start of the Space Age."

There are implications to this that will challenge society - stopping food production being iced/frosted out, solar/magnetic storms on our electrics, and implications of the earth's magnetic poles shifting (which they are)

https://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomag/GeomagneticPoles.shtml

(South magnetic pole headed to SW WA!)

Quint, that was a fantastic list of drowned archaeology, it's a keeper for me. As a trained historian I am fascinated at how far back we can see, what primary evidence will remain to tell us of the deep past. The pillars of Hercules were mentioned in Greek times (entrance to the Med). I've found increasing evidence that there was a global civilisation and it was swept away violently and quickly.

In the meantime, a gift for you:

http://www.gizapower.com/Advanced/Advanced%20Machining.html

This should really spin you out. Yes, they had high power (what kind?), high speed lathes and drills that cut stone more accurately and at greater size than we can today. The drill marks remain in the stone! And a professional aircraft engineer tells you forensically how they were cut.

A hypothesis to enjoy: in a career's worth of work, Randall Carlson interprets the North American landscape to suggest a catastrophic event between 13,800 and 11,500 years ago that converted the North American ice field into a torrent of water 400m deep flowing at 100km/h:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDejwCGdUV8

Some evidence to back it up? Well, we can look at the massive climate change in temperature, and sea level rise, at the end of the Younger Dryas:

http://www.pnas.org/content/97/23/12433

figure 2 shows the dramatic rise, other charts I can see show it in a far more accentuated way, eg do a picture search on 'sea level since Younger Dryas'. Think 80m in a human lifetime?

So much is coming into the spotlight, we live in truly remarkable times.

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velocityjohnno commented Sunday, 24 Jun 2018 at 3:28pm

BB, this one is for you, this is again one of the most amazing trends, a confluence of emerging technology may wipe out the a)motor industry as we know it, b)oil industry as we know it, and c)power generation industry as we know it - and very soon! So the implications of this can be a dramatic fall in CO2 output and a much cleaner society:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b3ttqYDwF0

2021 the trend is presented as taking off, 2030 it completes. It's going to be wild!

Let's all make it to 2030, then watch the first Mars missions - won't that be epic!

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velocityjohnno commented Sunday, 24 Jun 2018 at 3:22pm

One last post with my coffee, and this concerns us as surfers out there in the elements:

Cosmic rays as measured at earth are increasing:

https://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/features/ray_surge.html
(up to 2009)

and a less official link:

https://www.perspectaweather.com/blog/2017/6/26/1200-pm-cosmic-rays-cont...

There are some out there on youtube who are detecting UVC on ground level, an example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8q19HYOCmo

Get the zinc on, crew...

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blindboy commented Sunday, 24 Jun 2018 at 6:25pm

Hmmm the thread is "climate change research" Quint. Feel free to start one headed "Chariot of the Gods". VJ I will look at your video when I have time.

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velocityjohnno commented Sunday, 24 Jun 2018 at 6:59pm

Please do, I think you will be pleasantly surprised. I was shocked at how it all interacts to create massive scale of change. And I could relate it to my own purchases which have saved me $ and taken about 37,000kW/h out of a coal plant's stack emissions. The guy is a Stanford researcher presenting to a Uni of Colorado crowd who are quite happy at the predictions.

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blindboy commented Sunday, 24 Jun 2018 at 9:10pm

Thanks for that VJ I was aware of the trend line in these technologies but not of the speed with which the transition will take place. Meanwhile in our Federal Parliament we have clueless dinosaurs like Abbott advocating for new coal fired plants.

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velocityjohnno commented Monday, 25 Jun 2018 at 1:48pm

No worries, I was concerned about our stripping of reliable base load power until that presentation - it seems a distributed solar/battery grid, and not a centralised system, will come to dominate power generation as crucial technology costs come down and performance improves. Australia already at 25% takeup I think he quoted. Also mentioned S curves of adoption.

Personally I can't wait until I have an electric car to toodle down to the surf or shops, powered by energy caught on the roof, and kept in a battery bank. Cost for these currently 30-50k, coming to market at 20K (say, a Corolla type cost) by 2021. So much nicer than coal or nuclear.

Of course, the elements that go into this infrastructure will still have to be mined, machinery most probably diesel for the near future, and we may find limits to lithium, cobalt, etc - but for now it looks exciting as those accelerated S curves take effect.

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davetherave commented Monday, 25 Jun 2018 at 5:52pm

vj and bb, we will still have to use resources that planet earth supplies, but in a way that does not pollute it.
If you have relatives that are young, I believe with our current understandings like vj's great links he provided and bb's thorough research, we owe it to ourselves and them to clean up our act.
Whilst personally I dislike the moniker climate change because it has and always will change just like our sun etc etc, but it is now obvious with our new level of consciousness/awareness/recognition- we have to change the paradigm we have constructed.
the fossil fuel era served a purpose, but we now can see it no longer works to the benefit of ourselves and the planet.
Don't paddle out at 30-40 foot peahi on a five two foamie and think you can catch a big one with a late take off into a brisk offshore.

davetherave

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velocityjohnno commented Sunday, 8 Jul 2018 at 12:23am

The article suggests 'multiple interacting climate presses and pulses' as affecting the ecosystems and it's clear that major change is happening.

Would there be any merit to a hypothesis that increased cosmic radiation reaching the reef could create/add to bleaching?

http://www.pnas.org/content/112/11/3253
Cosmic rays found to influence year-to-year GT variation but not contribute to warming

https://www.perspectaweather.com/blog/2017/5/15/930-am-cosmic-rays-on-th...
More rays inbound, measured, clear trend: affects human DNA, so how about coral?

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Quint commented Sunday, 8 Jul 2018 at 10:07am

"Climate change" is a cover story for another pole shift. Earth Guilt Syndrome (its our fault) is our lot now. Its fake though. Pre Noahs flood 4400 years ago the Antediluvian Earth had no wobble or seasons or rain, just mist. Evolution is horse shit also. Apes to men bahaha..

https://www.google.com.au/maps/place/Noah's+Ark+National+Park,+Turkey/@39.4406583,44.2340674,294m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x4014bdf26dcbac6b:0x3728e05fac77a3f3!8m2!3d39.4406542!4d44.2347809?dcr=0

4400 years ago a pole shift occurred. Waves roared and civilizations were destroyed. It was destroyed by water then, this time will be by fire. The 3rd time will be for good in 1000 years.

http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/sponsored_article1.cfm

https://watchers.news/category/pole-shift/

All foretold loong ago and ALL has come true.

https://www.amazon.com/Politically-Incorrect-Climate-Change-Guides/dp/16...

https://www.amazon.com/Ancient-Knowledge-George-Curtis-ebook/dp/B00JST8X...

This is just one mans morning thoughts on this subject so no need to get triggered folks. Believe nothing but have a look. Bit of discernment and lotsa reading..

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blindboy commented Sunday, 8 Jul 2018 at 9:57am

Ha ha ha ha. Thanks Quint, that gave me a good laugh! You're taking the piss aren't you?

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velocityjohnno commented Sunday, 8 Jul 2018 at 1:16pm

Actually Quint may be right:

https://academiccommons.columbia.edu/catalog/ac:193310

with the caveat it was the Indian Ocean spreading up into the Arabian gulf/Mesopotamia area and laying waste to everything - and not associated with a pole shift. Extant civilisations would have interpreted this as the end of the world.

btw magnetic poles are currently shifting, first time in 780,000 years. Magnetic not physical.
https://www.livescience.com/48333-magnetic-field-flip-within-100-years.html

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blindboy commented Sunday, 8 Jul 2018 at 6:26pm

Noah's flood? Evolution is horseshit? No rain prior to 4400 years ago. There's horseshit alright, all from Quint. As for magnetic reversal, well maybe soon, maybe later, might take 100 years, might take 1000. In short, it's a guessing game and my guess is that most of us will die without being any wiser about this.

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GuySmiley commented Sunday, 8 Jul 2018 at 9:54pm

What I gleaned from ABC the Insiders today.
The Qld State based nationals are fighting each other over the proposed Federal LNP climate and energy policy.
The Qld Federal based nationals are also fighting each other over these policies.
Abbott and Kelly (Liberals) are encouraging the pro-coal elements of the Qld Nats to fight their own party i.e. the Liberal Party to block the proposed policies.
There are many Federal based LNP members (members of the Monash group) who are also supporting the policy stance that Abbott / Kelly are taking but will not say so publicly as they don't want this to seen as a "leadership" thing/push.
The States and Federal Labor are likely to support the proposed polices as do all business and farming peak groups, even the Minerals Council want it.

Dog's breakfast.

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batfink commented Monday, 9 Jul 2018 at 12:45pm

It fascinates me that there are people who genuinely believe that greening the planet through renewables and looking after our environment generally is somehow a part of a great conspiracy, to take over the world no less, by a group that doesn't really exist as a group (essentially academics and some tree-huggers presumably) who are fighting against those poor hard working souls that dig up everything in sight for our benefit.

All the while not recognising that this thinking just entrenches a group that is already deeply in a conspiracy which keeps those same people on top of the pile, built on the hard work of real people down in the mines, and you and me, entrenching high energy costs and market manipulation on a grand scale.

So they see a conspiracy where there is none, that has no reason for its own existence, while at the same time NOT seeing a conspiracy that is real, right in front of their eyes, built to benefit those who own it, and currently controlling the world.

Fascinates me, really does.

Keep it coming Quint.

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Sheepdog commented Friday, 13 Jul 2018 at 4:50pm

I cant remember which thread, but this one will do for now.... A fair while back, had a "hoo hah" with a few here, including BB about the great Barrier reef... I said that "climate change" was NOT the reason for the reef's shocking state.. I supplied my reasoning, including google earth vision of MASSIVE land clearing on the cape not far from Lizard Is..
I stand by my opinions. And this article makes for sombre reading.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jul/13/disaster-half-a-mill...

Sheepdog

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blindboy commented Friday, 13 Jul 2018 at 5:51pm

I don't remember much of that discussion Sheepdog, but I would be surprised if I inferred that climate change was the only problem. Climate change can be thought of as an intensifier, it makes other environmental problems worse and that is certainly the case with the barrier reef. Increased turbidity from sediment run off tends to raise water temperatures, add in climate change and the problem is much worse.

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GuySmiley commented Friday, 13 Jul 2018 at 6:16pm

only in FNQ

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spidermonkey commented Friday, 13 Jul 2018 at 7:04pm

It is strange how that funding has been allocated. Will be interesting to see the results of the inquiry. Why on earth it wasn't directed to GBRMPA / ÀIMS etc. Is beyond me.

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spidermonkey commented Friday, 13 Jul 2018 at 7:07pm

Regarding the 500 mil grant

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GuySmiley commented Friday, 13 Jul 2018 at 7:18pm

privatised conservation

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blindboy commented Friday, 13 Jul 2018 at 9:10pm

Parasitic political f'heads putting money in their corporate mates' pockets? Sounds like business as usual.

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Quint commented Saturday, 14 Jul 2018 at 9:09am

The rad count is up 46% on the yearly average since Fukushima in 2011' could this not be the reason for the "bleaching" of the GBR? Just like the west coast of the USA is being sterilised by Fukushima? Dean Mercer? This real time reading is on the sunshine coast.

http://sccc.org.au/monitoring/sunshinecoast-monitoring-station.html

http://www.leurenmoret.info/

The count rises in summer as the onshore breeze swings from the south to north. Email Peter Daley at the SCCC ask him for yourselves. My rad counter-food tester (a Russian made SOEKS Eco-Tester) concurs with his 24-7 counter. Its a conspiracy lol..triggered. In Revelations I think, it mentions "1/3 of the worlds fish dying, the ocean going sour".

We are being fed horse shit by the truckload on many subjects. Maybe open ya minds and simply have a look at another side. Something different. Believe nothing. Aristotle alluded to this when he said: "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to read something without accepting it"

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=102886

The Bible also repeatedly suggests: "Let him who has ears hear". Its not that hard. The current paradigm being challenged by some should not offend people so. Brush it off. Move on. Stay in the left vs right Hegelian Matrix if it feels better. Words are like art. Freedom of expression.

Save the poofish.

https://youtu.be/jOFBIEX2dVM

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blindboy commented Saturday, 14 Jul 2018 at 3:53pm

Ah yes Quint, that well known research organisation, The Sunshine Coast Computer Club! Only they have found the truth!

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blindboy commented Friday, 3 Aug 2018 at 12:42pm
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CryptoKnight commented Friday, 3 Aug 2018 at 8:43pm

Well, in a nutshell, its a bit quiet down this end of the big top blinder.

Never underestimate the power of conditioning. Ever.

$8.95. Seems harmless, to fools and cretins. Why $8.95. More about that later.

The Nungas look brighter by the second, don't they. Unmatched in fact.

The moronic, brutish, blood soaked brits got the ball rolling. A world of never before imagined stupidity. Lying, conniving, raw stupidity is the backbone of the west. It is the very constitution, the foundation of our God fearing 'nation'. Built on on bloodshed, greed and lies. The stain even fills the skies.

$8.95. Fucking ludicrous. Advanced? Never underestimate the power of conditioning. The truth must be avoided at all costs, like it was before day one, as oz advanced, not so fairly. Its a sign of advancement, genius and success... unconscious zombies, in a nut shell.

Why not just nine bucks? Because the truth hurts. It don't look good. Why not $8.99? Nar, too close ta nine, been there done that, the best course nowadays says $8.95. Its ingrained. Par for the course.

'I gotta good prod?'

'Wot's it worf?'

'Nine bucks. So's I'll just put it on the shelf for nine bucks.'

'You fucking idiot... no one will buy that!!!'

'What will they buy?'

'Now ya fuckin' talkin'!!!'

Money talks!!! Even though it doesn't... in a nutshell.

Could we speed up the awards ceremony, so liz and phil can get our award for the most genius culture ever, before we destroy the planet?

We could have separate awards for these words of genius!!!

'Could you blame it all on hoofed type animals?'

'It all depends on how you measure success I suppose.

'Quite a lot to be said for and against allowing humanity to expand its population exponentially as has western agricultural development, but expanded population and territory is basically the yardstick of any species success .'

Its almost biblical.

God looked down, and asketh, 'Who doith such vile things!' One came forth, screeching on high, 'Nay not us lord! For I have seeneth with mine own eye the vile doers!'. At that God demanded to know them... '"Then who beith the foul creature who did such evil deeds!!!' The screecher screeched forth again!!! 'Twas hoofed demons Lord, for such vile hooven creatures came forth and destroyed your works!!!' God was displeased, and bellowed "You fucking idiot... are you fucking dreaming!!!' The screecher cried out, 'Yay I am dreaming!!!' God bellowed again, 'Be gone idiot!'

And so another blewith in and squwarked out! 'Why do ye call the works vile God, for we be genius! Look, we have verily grown and gone forth and multiplied, and now we have smasheth and defeated this place!' God bellowed... again... 'Where will ye live idiot?' A silence fell on the land...

The squwarker and screecher saw one man on the shore and cried out! 'Be ye saint stupe!!!' He answered 'Yay, for I be saint stupe!!!' They squwarked and screeched, 'Saint stupe please save us... again. For God hath forsaken us, and calleth us idiots, again, and now we have no where to liveth!!!' Ye must maketh a magic button... again!!! Witheth a waveth pool and plathtic island... again!!!' Saint stupe cried out 'That button costeth $9.00!!!' They cried 'Nay!!!' Saint stupe screeched, 'Nay, let it be $8.99!!!' 'Fuck off Saint stupe for we be genius's!!!', they cried!! 'Ha', screeched saint stupe, 'For ye win again, $8.95 be it!!! Yay, for now we all be genius's!!! Yay hereth is the magic button, let us all pusheth it together!!! In the name of the Lord, so that God see our works on high again!!!'

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blindboy commented Friday, 3 Aug 2018 at 8:59pm

William Finnegan on "Fire"

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2018/08/16/wildfires-california-burning/

And amazingly Crypto he reports that North American indigenous cultures, like their Australian equivalents, knew how to manage them.

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CryptoKnight commented Friday, 3 Aug 2018 at 9:08pm

I wonder if they can blame the buffalo's, I mean they've got hoofs and stuff...

They didn't back when The Traditional North American Indigenous Cultures managed the place... ooops sorry, now I'm dreaming...

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truebluebasher commented Sunday, 5 Aug 2018 at 2:06pm

We learn our land management from aboriginals who pay homage to the firebirds.
Pioneer Gondwana birds long mastered language & land management.

Professors of Language Studies The Lyrebirds are also immune from fire.
Essentially their industrious foraging reduces ladder fuel creating a natural firebreak.
National Park Rangers fail to trace fires to any Lyrebird Forests.
re: [Where Bird Song Began... ABC Catalyst / 10 March 2015]
re: [Where song began Book by Tim Low(2014)]

Oz Fire Hawks on the other hand are Firestarters (Black Kites/Whistling Kites/Brown Falcon)
These birds shape hunting grounds by extending a ring of fire from a Lightning Strike.
By swooping down clasping onto fire fingerlings they keep relaying the fire 50m ahead.
This shapes the fire into a killing field also prolongs the feeding frenzy.
New theories suggest Australian Birds shaped the plains to suit their needs

re: Firefighters continually backtrack several bird firebombs outside their firebreaks.
re: Australian Aboriginal ceremonies Lorrkon & Yabuduruwa (Dance) Attributed to Firebirds.

If Australian birds can prevent & promote fire then what of their students.
Aborigines used Fire to fine tune seasons by harvesting rain or reducing rain fuel.

National Parks & Fire services now adopt Aborigines as front line fire Managers.
Not only that! Govts now adopt several far superior ancient fire starting techniques.
Aborigines also provide more insight to enable carbon credits. Had to be a dollar reason!

No way I can relay the amazing complexity of 500 nations fire management in this chapter.
I can allude to a Climate Creation Ceremony ( A Storm Dance) This is the Real thing!
(Fire Becomes Rain Becomes Fire) [WARNING] Pre Industrial Climate Change story ahead!

My apologies to Ancient people of Tanami Desert for any crude translation.
Warlpiri sacred site of Kurlpurlunu was used for such a Rainmaking ceremony.
Fire (warlu) + Rain (ngapa) + Dreaming (Jukurrpa)

From the central source 2 men light firebrands,moving to opposite ends.
Creating a dual Hunting Fire which they call 'Lirramirni'.(Intense Plant Oils likely apply)
The next sequence is seldom explained but involves the training of flames to spiral.
Note: (There are separate papers on spiral hunting fires...a most wizardry practice)

The intensifying spiral of heating plumes continues blending with cold upper air.
[Factcheck] Fire Devils fueled by Oz vapourized plant oils are said to be hotter than the sun.
When at the right altitude the water vapour condenses creating a fluffy cloud.
Growing into a Pyrocumulonimbus Cloud that morphs into anvil shape. (That's the Key)
The Anvil Shape cloud produces rain but also more lightning to ignite more seasonal fires.

[factcheck] Worldwide bushfires can form into supercells dumping hale.
One nation's burn off is another nation's flood.

5 years back I watched a vid that sourced India's monsoons back to Oz fire devils! (Anyone?)
Same video gave me the hotter than the sun fact on the Fire Devils...(Brilliant Show) Help?

Here 2 men create a climate for their people.(Man made climate change is ancient news!)
Yes! A rare happy ending...Climate cycle ceremony once lost is again being passed down!

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CryptoKnight commented Sunday, 5 Aug 2018 at 2:20pm

Its a classic article, that fire one blinder. Another classic. Again. I train some people that work in environmental/CFS, and they are sending firefighters from Port Lincoln to Canada and US to try to cope with the 'out of control fires'. That should fix it.

Still, it opens a whole new can of worms. The air line ticketing for starters. Well, mainly. Well, all the pricing, the marketing will become the critical factor, in a nutshell. For every minute detail.

It seemed a great idea to create a planet full of cashed up zombies. Well, zombies... in a nutshell. Even broke, or tight arse zombies can generate a profit. Even corgi's for that matter!!! In a nutshell.

'Mummy when I grow up, can I go on holidays, and get cars and servants and jets and stuff, like the corgis!!!'

'Well dear, if you are a good little girl, and work very, very hard... very hard, and always do as you are told, you never know!!!'

'Do the corgis work very very hard mummy!!!'

'You just do as you are told dear, and yes, well, you see dear, the corgis... well the queen... that's enough now dear, I have to get down the street to get the dinner on, and woolies is having a sale of the century... again!!!'

'But mummy I've never seen the corgis do anything, and...'

'That's quite enough of that thank you young lady!!! Who do you think you are, the queen of england!!! Your father and I need to have a good talk with you!!!'

'Right now, lets get a few things straight young lady, you aren't the queen of england, and you never will be, so get that uppity stuff right out of your head, right now!!! If this keeps up, this uppity, nasty behaviour, well, we'll be forced to ban you!!!'

'Can't we just delete her darling... like the good 'ol days!!!'

'Well, mmm... wait a minute... did they just say $8.99... shit, what time is it...'

OMG, its a super sale down to $8 fucking 95!!!?? Never to be repeated!!! Again...'

'Mummy wasn't that sale on last month... and why dont they just say $9.00?!??!'

'OMG!!! This is getting far, far worse than we thought!!! This is verging on out of control!!! Get to your room right now young lady'!!!'

'Can I watch the 'return of the zombies' in my room mummy...'

'No, you aren't watching that zombie rubbish!!!'

'Daddy why are you dressed up like that, staring up... like that... at that jet flying over...'

'Its mix of edgy dear, and contemp/hip... sort of, whilst forging a new...'

'I am just saying daddy, because did you notice the billowing smoke... and...'

'Not now dear... and for the last time, get back to your room!!!!'

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CryptoKnight commented Sunday, 5 Aug 2018 at 3:28pm

Yes trubes, the Traditional Indigenous Australians story just gets better and better.

Such a different way of thinking, so looking at things.

Matched by the unmatched record.

Each person, in fact all around was a respected volume, an invaluable chapter in an infinite living library. No need to cut down the trees for nothing.

No 'sales' needed!!!

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CryptoKnight commented Sunday, 5 Aug 2018 at 7:56pm

Well, there's always hope blinder!!! What if the good 'ol boyz from the wild west, guns blazing so to speak, add some more fuel to the fire, and put their own spin on things from other Cultures... so to speak... again!!!

Unfortunately, not even the solo of the century from the hammond is gonna pull that one out of the fire blinder.

No, you'll have to swallow your infernal pride blinder. You know, deep down, that there's only one way out of the infernal inferno. A duet blinder. You know that. I know ya do...

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/rudy-tanzi-scientist-aerosmith-keyboardist/

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blindboy commented Sunday, 5 Aug 2018 at 8:39pm

No worries Crypto I am playing tomorrow night if Rudi can make it.

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CryptoKnight commented Sunday, 5 Aug 2018 at 11:14pm

Thank God for that blinder!!!

Bit (not to be confused with coin... cos ya never know what some knuckleheads will do... in a nutshell...) quiet ain't it!

What a difference a day maketh!!! Sundy night fever!!!

But please, don't let the good 'ol fave stay on loop in the background blinder. Even though its the very backbone of the place... 'humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God!!!'
And even though our beloved leaders swear by it!!! Well, so do liz and phil... and who could forget the corgis!!! 'I, (name), do swear that I will well and truly serve the people of Australia in the office of (position) and that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Australia. So help me God!' Its advanced!!!

But, why not, bit of sundy night fever in a nutshell aye!!!??! Dance the night away, again, along with the day... after day... after day... after... swillnuts... but don't mistake ya shoes for horse shoes... unbelievable as it is, some knuckleheads are behooven ta do that!!! In a nutshell!!!... ???!

Sleep now my little swillnuts, its been a tough week after all!!! In a nutshell!!! Surely the charts will align soon... if the price is right!!! You know what they say, play it again sam!!!

Although, please try to wake them up tomorrow night blinder... and don't you go falling asleep too!! I think they've been asleep quite long enough now... in a nutshell!!! And there's a bit a cleanin' up ta do... well, a fair bit... well... fucking shitloads!!! Bloody corgis have been shittin' every where... its an inferno... agin!!!

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velocityjohnno commented Friday, 24 Aug 2018 at 12:51pm

Oh boy have I got a treat for you all.

Years ago I came across some looney tunes stuff that suggested you could fire energy beams up into the sky and disappear or re-appear clouds and weather. I adjusted my tinfoil hat, sprayed a little colloidal silver into the air around me to kill the germs, and read on. I wondered how much energy it would take and if I could turbo charge a front as it lined up in my swell window. Then I forgot about the crazy idea. Until now...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-23/volkswagen-trouble-altering-me...

Firstly, sorry about the link to ZH, which is a crazy tin foil hat site. The original link is to the Financial Times no less, and sits behind a paywall.

It appears Volkswagen, and Nissan, are as crazy as I am. They have deployed 'energy cannons' to eviscerate hail bearing clouds around their stockpile of newly built cars sitting outside in Mexico. If you drive a Golf in Australia, chances are VW protected your car in this way, as most of our Golfs come from Mexico.

The problem with this is, local farmers now miss out on rain due to the action of the 'anti hail cannon shockwave generators' and have asked for their rain back. VW has obliged.

I just found some more anthropogenic climate change, in a VERY direct way.

wtf