Fishing tips

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thermalben started the topic in Monday, 2 Apr 2012 at 9:32am

OK, so I want to try my hand at fishing. I have a couple of rods and reels, and an assortment of stuff in a shiny tackle box (Chrissy present from a few years back). I've got salt water and fresh water options close at hand (Narrabeen). But, I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing.

Can anyone offer me some pointers? I'd really like to impress the missus.

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indo-dreaming Friday, 27 Nov 2020 at 5:42pm

@Pops

Well i kind of stretched the truth there, i don't do the paste i leave that to the wife, i think its something that kind of varies but generally has, ginger, garlic, chilli, candle nut, palm sugar, lime juice, salt in it, quite thick more a paste but use it like a marinade. smear it all inside and cut the flesh and smear in the cuts, and then often stuff the fish with cut lemon or lemongrass too (not sure why but Indonesians dont tend to use coriander so much like Thai's)

But the other day i just used an Indo brand paste from a jar that was a sambal (sambal balado)

Probably the biggest difference between the two other than the Sambal balado being more basic is Sambal balado is from Padang and they like lots of salty type foods & paste but Javanese and Balinese paste and flavours tend to be sweeter,

When i worked at a surf resort in the Mentawai's (one season only), it was always hard to keep the staff happy as we had a mix of Javanese, Padang & Mentawai staff and they all liked their foods differently if it was cooked prefect for one group the other group would complain it was too sweet or too salty.

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garyg1412 Monday, 30 Nov 2020 at 11:26am

@pops
Came across a whole fish recipe like Indo’s back in the day sitting around the campfire one night having a few, which resulted in a half arsed attempt at cooking a fish whole on the BBQ.
Anyway we basically scored the fish, basted it with tomato sauce and cooked it over the open coals in one of those grids that split in two. Tasted delicious and probably was!!

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Pops Monday, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:43pm

@Indo, sounds bloody good! Interesting r.e. the differences between the islands, hey. You get a similar thing in Malaysia even from one town to the next, and each town has it's own speciality foods.

@gary, love it! Fresh fish, fire and a few beers, what more do you need!

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thermalben Sunday, 27 Jun 2021 at 7:15am

Fishing one of the local creeks y'day arvo, and my seven year old son landed a bunch of flatties.. one of which had this tick-like growth on its side. Anyone seen anything like this before?

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freeride76 Sunday, 27 Jun 2021 at 7:48am

Thats a parasitic isopod.
v.common.

No drama to the fish usually, easy to remove and eat as normal.

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freeride76 Sunday, 27 Jun 2021 at 8:24am

btw, nice flatty.
I bet he was pumped.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 27 Jun 2021 at 8:30am

Wow havent seen one of those for forever, i remember as a kid dad came home from a big fishing trip and there was fish(big snapper maybe) with them in their mouths and i was fascinated about them.

I think maybe they mostly live in or around the mouth?

Not something i would have expected on a flattie

Good on your son though, flatties are one of my favourite eating fish.

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thermalben Sunday, 27 Jun 2021 at 8:42am

Phew, that's good to know. We were using prawns for bait and one of them also had a similar growth (under the shell) which we disposed of.. was worried it may have been a local disease.

Little fella caught four flatties, and a couple of brim.

I caught one puffer fish.

He won't stop reminding me, either.

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Blowin Sunday, 27 Jun 2021 at 10:00am

Think they’re called Doctors?

Good on your young fella. Ben, you may have only caught a puffer but you’ve obviously figured things out enough to put him on the fish. Good on you.

Tailor going mad everywhere this morning. Smashing metals at first light.

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old-dog Sunday, 27 Jun 2021 at 10:09am

Caught a 50 cm KG at Streaky last xmas and after a few minutes in the bucket a big white parasite crawled out of its mouth and grabbed onto my finger, an old fishmonger said the fish would have been in agony and they are related to QLD. cattle ticks. Still ate it but didn't really enjoy it as much as usual. Most of the chinaman leatherjackets we used to catch at Rapid Bay had them too. Disgusting.

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Roystein Sunday, 27 Jun 2021 at 10:14am

Studied a bit of marine ecology and biology at uni.
Remember being shocked at the number and variety of parasites found naturally in a sample of biomass we studied - caught in the intertidal zone at north straddie

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Blowin Sunday, 27 Jun 2021 at 10:20am

You’d have to dip King George into a molten shit fondue hotpot before I found it distasteful. Even then I’d think twice.

Doctors don’t affect the meat or taste of fish. Pretty harmless really - for humans. They don’t seem to do fish any favours.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cymothoa_exigua

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Andrew P Sunday, 27 Jun 2021 at 10:21am

thermalben wrote:

Phew, that's good to know. We were using prawns for bait and one of them also had a similar growth (under the shell) which we disposed of.. was worried it may have been a local disease.

Little fella caught four flatties, and a couple of brim.

I caught one puffer fish.

He won't stop reminding me, either.

Ben - Was your old man a fisho? They say the skill skips a generation

Was the one in the prawn under the shell of its head? Likely another isopod parasite from the family Bopyridae. Very common in prawns and if they are attached long enough can actually make them grow larger than uninfected animals (with the offset the host becomes sterile) fascinating shit those parasites

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Supafreak Sunday, 27 Jun 2021 at 10:37am

I cooked up a yellowtail kingfish once caught by a friend off tweed heads , the flesh after I grilled it had turned to mush , I couldn’t work out what had gone on and did a quick google search. Apparently in warmer waters a parasite infection causes this . Here’s a forum of others talking about it . http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/showthread.php/202007-Mushy-Kingfish

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freeride76 Sunday, 27 Jun 2021 at 5:51pm

Scombridae (histamine) food poisoning from improper storage of mackerel/tunas is a good reason to steer clear of fish in the tropics if you aren't sure.
ie if the fish has been sitting on a hot deck in the sun for hours .

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megzee Sunday, 27 Jun 2021 at 6:59pm

Ciguatera poisoning
Ciguatera poisoning may result from eating any of the more than 400 species of fish from the tropical reefs of Florida, the West Indies, or the Pacific. The toxin is produced by certain dinoflagellates, microscopic sea organisms that the fish eat. The toxin accumulates in their flesh. Older fish and large ones (such as grouper, snapper, and kingfish) are more toxic than smaller, younger ones. The flavor of the fish is not affected. Current processing procedures, including cooking, cannot destroy the toxin.

The initial symptoms—abdominal cramps, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea—may begin 2 to 8 hours after the person eats the fish and last 6 to 17 hours. Later symptoms may include

Itchiness
Pins-and-needles sensations
Headache
Muscle aches
A reversal of sensations of hot and cold
Facial pain
For months afterward, unusual sensations and nervousness may persist.

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tubeshooter Sunday, 27 Jun 2021 at 10:44pm

The bigger the mackerel the bigger the risk , also the further north it was caught . I know a couple of blokes who have had the 'ciga' and it doesn't look like fun .
On the soapie , soft flesh side,there's plenty of different nematodes to be found in larger fish , especially within those fish that have weaker connective muscle tissue , like jew and yellowtail kingys. . You'll know it when you fillet the bastard.

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megzee Sunday, 27 Jun 2021 at 11:13pm

@tubeshooter, I know a couple of old Marlin boat skippers that copped a good dose of Ciguatera from their bottom fishing exploits up on the GBR......pretty well north of Fraser Island......Funnily enough, I never heard of it showing up in the NW...
The symptom that was the tell tale was the hot and cold reversal sensation......

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tubeshooter Sunday, 27 Jun 2021 at 11:34pm

We were restricted from selling any spanish mackerel over 14kg in southeast QLD for a while. Don't know if it still stands.
But yeah , the larger reef fish on the GBR have it too , it's not just pelagics.

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spidermonkey Monday, 28 Jun 2021 at 11:01am

I've had it, several times. From Spanish Mack not big fish either pretty horrible poisoning

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freeride76 Monday, 28 Jun 2021 at 12:01pm

current NSW Fisheries guidelines is not to eat any Spanish Mack, even those caught in NSW, over 10kg.

couple of Evans fishos got a dose of the ciga this year.

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Blowin Monday, 28 Jun 2021 at 12:39pm

The idea of ciguatera worries me a bit. I don’t go out of my way to catch Spaniards around here under the belief that it was an occasional issue. The meat in my diet comes exclusively from seafood so I’m not too keen to cruel it as a source of food, which I reckon would be the outcome if I got a dose.

Shame as they’re probably my all round favourite fish.

It’s a dream in WA how you can eat anything and not worry about it.

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Supafreak Monday, 28 Jun 2021 at 1:09pm

Its my understanding that fish pick it up from the reefs it feeds on then goes up the food chain and gets more toxic, there is none around lembongan or penida but its up in the mentawi .

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Blowin Wednesday, 14 Jul 2021 at 7:39am

Caught a wahoo back in May and thought it’s dental ware might be a decent addition to our Oceanic Treasure Cabinet (Tm). Ridding the jaws of the surrounding flesh and assorted ghoulish gristle was the first step. Initially I just lopped the fish’s head off and tec screwed it to a tree down the bottom of our driveway. The downsides of this approach became apparent within hours as the head became subsumed in flys and began to utterly reek, the smell reaching the house on the wind.

Then I put the head in a crab trap and submerged it in the tidal creeek across the road. I gave it a couple of months then went to retrieve it. Amazing how little of the head was left, only about 8 bits of bone , including four jaws, a coup of cheek plates and other incidentals. I put them in a bucket of bleach for a couple of days and then in a sunny spot on the veranda to dry. One of the local butcher birds stole everything but the jaws.

Then I got some superglue and tried to recreate the shape of the jaws. Temporary positioning done with the aid of blu tack and garden pegs.

They turned out all right. A bit macabre for some, but they go well with the assorted trove of shells, and other bits and pieces. A lot of size was lost as the jaws are normally bound by soft tissue which makes up the vast majority of the head’s volume. As an interesting little side project, with a result that most fishermen find curious, I’d give it a two thumbs up.



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simba Wednesday, 14 Jul 2021 at 8:15am

good chewing as well as good fighting ...flesh is white, prefer it more than mackeral

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Supafreak Wednesday, 14 Jul 2021 at 8:21am

Well done blowin, scull came up good . King barracuda jaws would look cool too , biggest one I caught off penida was 34 kg . Here’s a photo of wahoo someone speared from memory I think it was 83 kg but couldn’t have been recorded as worId record is 62 kg , had no idea they got that big , fat bastard ehh. 71-D58-B3-D-CF45-4-D82-B90-A-46578-C9885-B8

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simba Wednesday, 14 Jul 2021 at 8:30am

Supafreak,where was that taken..?....friggin beast

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Supafreak Wednesday, 14 Jul 2021 at 8:51am

@simba , my mistake it wasn’t speared, the photo came up on Facebook years ago , maybe search down south spearos for more info EA78-F282-F792-4080-B970-583-D1-B955880