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Shatner'sBassoon started the topic in Friday, 6 Nov 2015 at 7:48pm

AN ALL-ENCOMPASSING KALEIDOSCOPIC JOIN-THE-DOTS/ADULT COLOURING BOOK EXPERIMENTAL PROJECT IN NARCISSISTIC/ONANISTIC BIG PICTURE PARASITIC FORUM BLEEDING.

LIKE POLITICAL LIFE, PARTICIPATION IS WELCOME, ENCOURAGED EVEN, BUT NOT NECESSARY.

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Shatner'sBassoon Wednesday, 20 Sep 2017 at 6:51pm

I mean in the car-park, Purps.

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Snuffy Smith Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 9:22am

Replace "The Yabba" with Swellnet Forum.

Who is Blowin who is Shats

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AndyM Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 9:26am

Haha, was waiting for ol' Snuffy to make an appearance!

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talkingturkey Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 11:50am

Who is S.O.B? Have you seen him?

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talkingturkey Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 12:06pm

Actually...

you've all heard of the drinking game where you watch a film and match the characters in the chosen film whenever they have a drink?

Plenty of films to choose from out there.

Wake in Fright is a monster!

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Dale -Cooper Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 1:29pm

WHY ARE RIGHT-WING SNOWFLAKES LIKE BOLT SO MAD OVER THIS SACKED KIDS' ENTERTAINER?

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HELEN RAZER

The non-binding mail survey a nation should never have endured has given rise in recent weeks to “argument” that should never have been made. Ugh. There’s the argument implicitly made by News Corp that former prime minister John Howard retains his value as an expert speaker on topics other than the Biggles series of adventure books. There are cruder, more explicit arguments made from within that same empire that no decent person should repeat.

Then, there’s the effing argument, from both Yes and No advocates, against “bullying” behaviour among the general population, which leads us to no useful end, save for proving beyond doubt that safe-space seeking is a bipartisan pursuit. Miranda Devine and all her spiritual children are now, in fact, the flakiest snowflakes, regularly demanding refuge from the heat.

Yes, Miranda, this just in: some people are not very nice. This has likely been true for some years and is possibly why policymakers have been drawn, at times, to build niceness into law. We have, for example, harsh penalties to deter those who would physically harm others. For a few decades, we had decent legal protection, hard won by trade unions, against rough treatment at work.

Curiously, the single argument of value provoked by our dreadful time of Brexit-lite may turn out to be for the Australian worker’s diminished rights. When a young Canberra woman found herself without work due to expressing support on social media for the “No” vote, some useful discussion emerged.

Not to polish the masthead, but Crikey was the first to consider the worker identified as “Madeline” not as homophobe or hero, but as a test of current employment conditions. As much as I like to give it to The Guardian, that title, too, deserves praise for considering factually what it now means to be “sacked”.

The short answer is: less and less. How can it mean anything when you don’t really have a job from the start? While older workers may preserve some part of their old-timey conditions — super, weekends, the right to shoot off at the mouth about whatever they please during weekends or other leisure hours — younger workers like Madeline must be as “agile” as Malcolm Turnbull demands. She, like her entire generation, is stuffed. Around 40% of Australians are now engaged in “alternative work”; that is, they are casual, self-employed or, like Madeline, “independent contractors”.

Contractors and the self-employed have no protection under the Fair Work Act. Which wasn’t something that seemed to trouble Guardian economics writer Greg Jericho a few years back. Jericho made the case in 2014 that we shouldn’t worry about a rise in freelance work, because a freelance agency had provided him with survey data that suggested many “choose” precisely the kind of “flexible” work that agency had as its revenue model.
Now, the guy has moved a little to the left of classical liberal economic thought, and has found that a “hands-off approach to IR” — you know, the sort of rule that deems “flexibility” and “choice” to be more important to workers than the knowledge they can pay the rent next month — might not be such a good national plan.

The Madeline freelance case may be an unfortunate event, but it sure is a good brainteaser. This fate of this No voter has highlighted a pro-market hypocrisy so stark, it was impossible even for outlets openly committed to ignore No voters, formerly quite fond of deregulation, to ignore.

Of course, over on the dependable right, Andrew Bolt finds as little trouble in ignoring hypocrisy as he does in stippling his short columns with rhetorical questions, such as yesterday’s “who are the real bigots?”, or that from a decade ago which dares us to imagine who we “really, truly would want at the top in a crisis. Howard or lip-licking Kevin Rudd?”

As things turned out, the lip-licker was chosen by Australians, many of whom found themselves facing a crisis Howard accelerated and Rudd had sworn (but failed) to address. WorkChoices, legislation piped in at the prelude of a GFC, itself caused by deregulation, had such impact on workers, they chucked the crisis-maker out. But there’s no chance that a brain like Bolt’s could be publicly teased into conceding that Madeline’s true enemy is not “political correctness gone mad”, but classical economics, AKA neoliberalism, gone mad in politics.

Bolt championed Howard, a man who believed it was up to the market to decide our fate. The market decided Madeline’s fate. Madeline’s boss reasoned that an events company would lose profit if word got out that one of its staff had urged for “No” on social media. Maybe not a commercially irrational decision in a small, progressive city, and the single state or territory where same-sex wedding ceremonies had been, however briefly, performed.

It’s not an unusual decision in the market-friendly present for a company to end a contract based on its social media policy. Actually, it’s a decision of which Bolt may, in other circumstances, approve. In one post, he listed several of Yassmin Abdel-Magied’s professional appointments, and made some argument for their cessation, partly on the basis of her seven-word Facebook post.

“Where is the government?” Bolt asks for Madeline, dismissed worker, on Sky News. Exactly where you wanted them to be, son: right out of the way of business.

Yes, I know. The search for consistency in Bolt might be compared, by disrespectful others, to the search for a single crap in a shit stack. But it must a brainteaser for others on the right, those who have also fought for the market to be master but, in the Madeline case, might not like its rule.

When the right to be a bigot, or a communist or a Known Homosexual, is no longer a guaranteed right at work, perhaps Senator George Brandis’ head starts spinning. I wonder if Tim Wilson, who has written that the “human right most being neglected is free speech”, now finds that his classical liberalism holds within it a deep contradiction. He might realise that his beloved free market inevitably curtails his beloved free speech — again. The most neglected of all the human rights in Australia, ranking well above the right to asylum, the right to freedom of association, or the right to protection against unemployment for Madeline.

Who knows what Tim is truly thinking. If The Guardian is able to shift in its views on true freedom for workers, a topic set aside for so long, perhaps he is, at least, a little confused by liberalism. The liberal-left may be less confused after Madeline, and resume its interest in labour conditions.

Save for the topic of workplace bullying — again with the surprise that some people are not nice, and can be particularly nasty in an insecure labour market — these conditions have been largely undiscussed by the nation’s left-liberal thinkers since the time of Howard. There were, at the time, centrist commentators like David Marr pointing out basic incompatibilities in conservative liberal thought.

Howard claimed to be in favour of family, but compromised that institution by extending working hours. Howard claimed to be a proud Australian, but was a humble servant to US foreign policy and US-led financialisation. Howard claimed to have traditional moral values, but kept pace with the very latest old practice exhumed by Washington DC. You don’t get to put your foot hard on the economic pedal then act surprised when cultural values start racing too. Howard invited the market to decide. The market then made its decisions.

Howard had lived long enough and read widely enough to know that big economic decisions create cultural changes and divisions. Still, he made the public case that it was always the other way around. If only we were more moral, more traditional and harder working, the health of the economy and all else would follow. It’s up to you the individual, he said. And after he had gone, the liberal-left plumb forgot they disagreed with that fib.
Madeline is their reminder. She’s not an individual to despise, but a young worker whose rights might be worth protecting. Heck. If she had these rights, maybe she’d become a person so nice, she’d change her preference to “Yes”.

This Madeline moment contains within it the potential for some old-timey solidarity. We don’t have to personally like the people with which we stand shoulder-to-shoulder. We just have to fight for our rights.

Spiteful and thin argument has been suffered as the result of this absurd survey. Pain has been felt in the LGBTI community and anger, so easily aroused in times of economic insecurity, is widespread. If there’s one good outcome (save for this rather good typo on the slip) it is a re-emerged interest in the life of the worker. All thanks to a “No” voter feted by Andrew Bolt.

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talkingturkey Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 1:48pm

That might be the best thing I've ever read of hers.

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stunet Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 1:55pm

On point but not to the point...ever.

I want to like her stuff but it's just too verbose.

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talkingturkey Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 2:00pm

"That might be the best thing I've ever read of hers."

You realise that's a qualification.

Usually she shits me.

Hitchens-lite.

And he was a lightweight for mine!

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stunet Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 2:01pm

Heavy!

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Gaz1799 Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 2:34pm

I don't mind a bit of Howard bashing, regardless of the author.

It seems to be completely forgotten in the media that the marriage act was amended in 2005 to basically outlaw gay marriage and agreed on by both sides of parliament with no plebiscite, free vote, postal vote etc. It was just done.

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stunet Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 2:51pm

Thatcher  Howard

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talkingturkey Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 5:45pm
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Blowin Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 6:27pm

Whatever mate.

Now spend the other 12 hours a day writing through your other personas that combating the endless immigration that provides the fuel for this fire is racism.

Snore.......

Honestly , if you gave half a fuck about the workers of Australia you'd be concentrating on the flames rather than the smoke.

And the labor party wonders why they are ostracising the working class .

Morons.

Go and have a good listen to " Holiday in Cambodia " and report back on what you think it is actually about.

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AndyM Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 6:31pm

http://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au

They're offering free membership to the NSW party.

Policies include -

Lower immigration from its record level (over 200,000 p.a.) back to the long term average of 70,000 p.a.
Moratorium on all fracking
No new casinos
Stop undemocratic privatisation
Higher animal welfare standards
Stronger national biodiversity plan
Greater employment opportunities for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people
Invest more in renewable energy
Save our backyards from developers
Establish major community product repair and recycle centres
Prioritise public transport funding over new tollways
Review and renegotiate all trade agreements
Establish an independent Federal commission against corruption
Require more timely disclosure of political donations
Tackle global population growth through increased foreign aid for female education and universal access to contraception
Enable citizen initiated referenda or plebiscites to give the people a proper say on important issues like euthanasia, immigration, marriage definition, abortion, republic, etc

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talkingturkey Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 6:34pm

Fail the quiz then, Blowhard?

"Now spend the other 12 hours a day writing through your other personas that combating the endless immigration that provides the fuel for this fire is racism.

Snore......."

Says the dude on here 24/7!

Anyway, wanna really get your 'snore' on?

"Change the demographics of a nation and you change the country.

If you want a nation of workers that will undercut each other in a race to the bottom for all wage earners, then import citizens of nations where this is an accepted cultural norm."

quote: THE BLOW IN

Racism?

Yeah, nah.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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AndyM Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 6:37pm

Racism lurks under every bed eh Turkey?

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talkingturkey Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 6:38pm

There ya go, Blowhard. Andy's got a party for ya! Free to join too!

Dick's welcome.

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talkingturkey Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 6:40pm

"Change the demographics of a nation and you change the country.

If you want a nation of workers that will undercut each other in a race to the bottom for all wage earners, then import citizens of nations where this is an accepted cultural norm."

How'd you like to read that, Andy?

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AndyM Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 6:44pm

Did we ever find out who you vote for, or what your values are, or how you might suggest to make the world a better place?

Any frankness, honesty or positivity there?

Somewhere?

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talkingturkey Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 6:50pm

You've confused me with someone else, Andy.

Want me to produce my 'papers' a la Shorten?

Anyway, nothing to see there re: the blow in?

Carry on then.

Maybe have a read of this while you're at it. Interesting up to a point.

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2015/12/12/using-clima...

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Herc Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 6:55pm

Hey, excuse me AndyM... mate... Andrew... emmy...

And like... I mean... you don't have to answer this at all... like not even a little bit... not even just like... because even if you don't even answer even just ever... not once... well... I'll still understand... mate... and even if you didn't even ever, ever, ever answer me, sort of... well then... like I'll always be there... understanding like... kinda... sorta... for ever... so don't worry if like you never even answer like... corse... you don't have to at all... we're always still mates... emmy... mate...

But, you wouldn't be from nw nsw would ya... you know, way, way, way, way west of Bourke, corse I reckon we're mates aye, and I got some doozys I could share wiv ya!!! Mate!!!!

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emmy... mate... ya there...

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Blowin Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 7:07pm

Fail the quiz ?

I don't have to take the fucking quiz.

I'll leave that to the career bureaucrats still feel they've got to prove their credibility.

You know the worst bit Turkey / Shatner / Snuffy / whateverfuckingelse ?

It's that you believe you represent the workers.

You are nothing but a white ant stooge that's as much a worker as Bill Shorten.

The fact that you're not even contemplating the suggestion that foreigners may bring their ingrained culture of Worker vs Worker with them is a sad indictment of your real world knowledge.

Of course they do ...it's their fucking culture . What is there to not understand ?

The fact that any debate involving the trigger word " foreign " leaves you in an apoplexy of racist finger pointing just reveals the paucity of depth in your thinking.

Get a real job , fuckwit.

You don't represent the working class.

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Sheepdog Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 6:59pm

Hands up who voted for Pauline!!!!
Put your hand down, Blowin, we know you did..... But who else?

What sort of party can't even get their shit together to run in an upcoming election?
Which party is so incompetent that they missed a very easy deadline?
Imagine if this mob was actually in government!!!!!! What a useless bunch of clowns...

I shouldn't complain too much.... Having a Hanson free election is a blessing.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/one-nation-misses-sa-electio...

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Blowin Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 7:05pm

Who'd you vote for Sheepy ?

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AndyM Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 7:09pm

I like your honesty there TT!

An interesting enough article but I think for it to mainly focus on a fear of immigration increasing Australia's carbon footprint misses 98% of the issue.

"But only allowing entry to Australia for a tiny fraction of the millions displaced by climate change because we fear they would adopt our carbon footprint? That would be a bit rich".

Sounds like the guy wants to guilt trip us into cutting off our nose to spite our face. Would that really be the best way of addressing a worsening situation?

As for Blowin's quote, do you not see some logic in what he's saying? The evidence is everywhere, from 7-11 to mines to IT.

"A report claims Indian IT companies in Australia were bringing IT professionals from India and these professionals were paid much less compared to their Australian counterparts."

http://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/hindi/en/article/2016/12/02/australia...

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AndyM Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 7:10pm

Christ big fella, at least have the dignity to post under one name.

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 7:14pm

Just for the record I didn't vote one nation, i couldn't bring myself to vote for anyone..

But i am tempted to vote one nation as a protest vote next time.

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AndyM Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 7:16pm

LNP - last
Labor - second last
One Nation - third last

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Sheepdog Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 7:21pm

Blowin, I voted for a party that could actually register in time for an election, unlike that populist swill One nation.

But it's a blue ribbon Liberal seat where I am... Abbott's little yap dog Tony Pasin still won.

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Blowin Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 7:22pm

What else is there , Andy ?

Zero true representation.

Unless you want to roll with the likes of careerist fucktards such as Turkey / Shatner / Snuffy / Whoeverfuckingelse and see our nation sold down the road of " We are obviously racist until at least 99 percent of our work force is underpaid , visa - blackmailed foreign labour " .

And until then , till we're ALL on the breadline and the only real Winners are the multinationals , till then we are all xenophobic racists.

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Blowin Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 7:23pm

Own your vote or pull your head in.

Who did you vote for ?

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Blowin Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 7:37pm

Andy, that looks pretty good so far.

http://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/

Sounds like a get to ditch that LNP stooge Pauline and her retard cohorts.

If only there was a party that represented labour in this country .....

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AndyM Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 7:43pm

What else is there?

After voting Greens for 25 years I've joined the NSW Sustainable Australia party.

Fuck knows what good it will do but we'll see.

Sorry mate but PHON is not the answer.

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AndyM Thursday, 21 Sep 2017 at 7:54pm

Ticks a lot of boxes for me.

Will be interesting to see the hatchet jobs if they get traction - I hope William Bourke knows what he's in for.

That Crikey piece the other day was just a taster.

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Payp Friday, 22 Sep 2017 at 8:09am

Fuckin Blowin in the wind thats all I hear fuck me"The answer my friend is BLOWIN in the wind"

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Gaz1799 Friday, 22 Sep 2017 at 9:33am

Pauline had her chance to be independent but she still votes with the LNP on everything despite the fact that they threw her in jail. I understand why she got the votes the first time around but I think she'll fizzle now.

There's a new party that formed in SA last week with a couple of NXT defectors. It's only at state level and I don't know if they'll contest the lower house but I can see them doing really well. John Darley is a current senator who seems alright, despite being 80. No former LIB/ALP affiliation for a change. NXT will do well but I think populism is wearing thin.

Don't think I'll vote for Bernardi anymore ever since I joined his party and his facebook group the vile crap that keeps coming up is proving to be simply too much. Bernardi has basically sealed Paulines fate in my opinion, at least in the more southern parts of the country.

Turkey has few actual opinions as Shatner would hate to lose his favourite alter ego. It's easy to be a fence sitter in every debate.

It puts the lotion on its skin... or it gets the hose again........

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Gaz1799 Friday, 22 Sep 2017 at 9:41am

Here ya go again Talking-Shat!

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Shatner'sBassoon Friday, 22 Sep 2017 at 11:10am

Phew! Swole-nutters are go!

Garry the forensic accountant voted for Bernardi! And joined his party!

Fark! Tax-write-off?

Blovie the bloviator still in conniptions after voting for Poh-Lin!

"Ya fuck one goat..."

& never fear Andy 'Midsomer Murders' is on the case!

I'm Turk, Herc, Snuffy, Purps...anyone else? Did I miss someone?

Garry the forensic accountant can't believe there are people on here that are...shudder...union members! It's outrageous! What are the odds?!

And they may know each other!!

Egad!

Can we get any more entertainment on here?

Ya gotta laugh.

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AndyM Friday, 22 Sep 2017 at 11:26am

So how do you get your cock to stay between your legs when you're dancing?

Tea bag method?

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Shatner'sBassoon Friday, 22 Sep 2017 at 11:55am

Actually, I can't let this pass. Maybe more for your benefit, Andy 'Maigret'. You've shown signs of intelligent life previously.

Let's look at this dodginess again...courtesy of our beloved Blowie:

"If you want a nation of workers that will undercut each other in a race to the bottom for all wage earners, then import citizens of nations where this is an accepted cultural norm."

And this:

"The fact that you're not even contemplating the suggestion that foreigners may bring their ingrained culture of Worker vs Worker with them is a sad indictment of your real world knowledge.

Of course they do ...it's their fucking culture ."

Now, the first question that springs to my mind is "who are these foreigners?" Are they an amorphous blob? Where's the specificity? And why isn't there any?

I mean, let's take Poh-Lin for example...Blowie's 'political weapon'. When she mentions Asians (now & back when she first surfaced...y'know, after she got turfed out of the Liberal fucking Party), who is she talking about? Japanese? Vietnamese? Chinese? Indians??

Blovie doesn't even get that 'specific'. It's just 'foreigners'!

And their 'culture'!

Worker vs Worker!

As he sees it!

I struggle to see what particular culture has this 'engrained'.

I mean, when he was railing against backpackers, rich backpackers mind (according to him), which 'foreigners' and their 'engrained culture' was he pointing at? Italians? Swedes?

Or when he was regaling us of his entertaining tales of say, Irish gyprockers and such, again, was this an example of a cultural touchstone of engrained worker vs worker individualism?

Like FIFO workers, maybe?

Hang about...

UNLESS he's talking about the insidiousness of neo-liberal economics and it's ultra-individualism - "no such thing as society" - that is perfectly embodied by our very own iteration of the Liberal/National Party coalition as led by Malcolm Turnbull?

The bulwark against which is...?

Gasp! Not the fucking union movement?!

Blovie don't need no fucking quizzes. No tests (or flies) on Blowie.

He's a champion of the working classes.

He told us.

He tells us lots of stuff.

"Ya fuck one goat..."

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Shatner'sBassoon Friday, 22 Sep 2017 at 11:47am

Take the quiz, Andy 'Matlock'. Ya don't even need to read the accompanying article.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/21/take-the-quiz-how-...

I did.

And even being a - let me see - union hack and/or bureaucrat and/or bottle-shop attendant (according to the Bloviator), I learned something.

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Gaz1799 Friday, 22 Sep 2017 at 12:01pm

But do ya laugh TTSB? There's a lifetime of allegedly independent posts under these fake names at stake. Hours of work, some go back years!

I've got no doubt that there's at least ten union members on here that know here each-other Talking-shat! I'm sure they all sit in the same office over at the CSIRO somewhere!

We know who you and the turkey family vote for from the sounds of things, which is fine I just don't know why you're too ashamed to put it out there. You do use twenty different pseudonyms after all.

"Off to work. All-staff meeting chaired by the big Kahuna, our 'CEO', well, that's not his title, we're not that corporatised...yet. Anyway, he kinda nervously flashed up graphs, and metrics, and projects, and projections. I say nervously, maybe even desperately, as The Australian blew the lid off his 35% salary increase the other week, so I guess he was trying to justify this with the slide-show. It was utterly unconvincing and he then got grilled by a significant and varied number of staff. Me included. Tough crowd. Maybe a 9 in the 'tough crowd' stakes. Oh, how he squirmed. Tremendous."

Nothing wrong with being a union member old boy, I just hope that the 0.94% pay rise is more than the $10 p/week membership fee. If I were in that scenario I know where I'd be saving the money.

Back on topic tho, as political affiliations matter not in this tropical fish tank. The important thing here is we call a catfish a catfish.

I don't suppose you were also in a 6 year relationship with Casey Donovan?

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Gaz1799 Friday, 22 Sep 2017 at 12:21pm

I got 8/10. I took it on board but wasn't impressed as its very self serving.

I can't really be arsed debating the union movement as I think the piss weak quality of the average union rep and the disintegration of the movement as a whole is just as much to blame as weak governance and failure to stand up to the business movement.

Oh well.

Decent candidates deliver decent policies. Decent managers do a better job than shit ones. This applies in business, government, unions etc etc etc.

The guy below was a union official & secretary for over 5 years for the SDA. He went on to get a shoe-in to a safe ALP upper house and grab the police minister portfolio. Shortly after he was charged with Child Porn (which came as a surprise to absolutely no-one).

You wonder why workers rights are evaporating, there's your biggest issue. I wouldn't employ that guy would you? I certainly wouldn't vote for him. If I thought he was negotiating my working entitlements I'd be asking for a refund on my fees. But somehow he went right through the union into the senate. Pathetic.

Obviously an extreme example but the movement is that fucked that its hard to be proud of it anymore. If the shearers from a hundred years ago saw the quality of today's union movement there would be civil war.

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AndyM Friday, 22 Sep 2017 at 12:27pm

Even though that quiz pretty much confirmed what I knew or suspected, by golly I did learn something as well. Regardless, I understand the strength and value of unions.

But why wouldn't you want to address the issue of people (from whatever country) coming to Australia and helping to put downward pressure on wages by working for less than what is legislated?

Yes, the crux of the matter is neoliberalism.
Yes unions are a huge help against this but of course they've been targeted and largely neutered.
Yes, point taken about broad sweeping statements of "culture" - heaps of people from wealthy European countries working for way less than the award in Byron Shire hospitality.

But why dismiss this issue totally because you want to stand tall against racism?

You seem to have a real desire to link efforts to look after Australia's workers and environment with racism.

Of course it exists but what about some nuance, some shades of grey.

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Shatner'sBassoon Friday, 22 Sep 2017 at 1:15pm

Hah! That's some real puerile shite, Gary. Is the equivalent John Gerard Nestor? Michael Kirby? Garry Neilson? Ralph Ian Assheton? There's a lot of bent humans out there. Wow! Who'd a thunk it?

Ya gotta stop reading The Advertiser, and voting for Bernardi, comrade!!!

Down, down.

And what kind of accountant are ya? You know union membership is tax-deductible.

Also our EBA is now unofficially signed off and pending. Substantially more in the pay-rise stakes than that insulting initial offer. And, more importantly, with substantial conditions intact.

Thanks to...guess who?

Smashed and bashed forever, especially in the last 30+ years of this neo-liberal economic experiment, but still going.

And after listening to Sally McManus the other night, it's onwards and upwards.

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stunet Friday, 22 Sep 2017 at 1:36pm

Jeez, Shatner across the board on our homepage.

Big day on the keys for you, eh?

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Shatner'sBassoon Friday, 22 Sep 2017 at 1:46pm

"But why wouldn't you want to address the issue of people (from whatever country) coming to Australia and helping to put downward pressure on wages by working for less than what is legislated?"

Andy, visa 'rorts' and their legislation are one of the union movement's biggest issues.

400s are through the roof. With no external reason that's even pretending to be there.

And just because Hanson has glommed onto 'globalisationism' (her term) this time around to bash - let's face it - non-white, non-Anglo, non-Christian immigration (asylum seekers too of course...and don't forget our first peoples...racist? Yeah, nah) doesn't give her and her fellow traveller's credence. It's crude and thinly veiled bigotry.

Worker's friend? Fucking laughable...if it wasn't so tragic. Votes with the LNP ALL THE WAY. And they've always been happy to reciprocate and oblige...from Howard to now.

ABCC, anyone?

As for the walking/talking ego and opportunist par excellence, Dick Smith, maybe he should step away from Bourke's mob and give them air to breathe.

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Shatner'sBassoon Friday, 22 Sep 2017 at 1:44pm

"Jeez, Shatner across the board on our homepage.

Big day on the keys for you, eh?"

Gotta work off the nerves (without working) somehow, Stu-bags.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/commentisfree/2017/sep/21/trepidation-...

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Herc Friday, 22 Sep 2017 at 1:54pm

Blaming importing 'culture' (race) that fucks it up for ozzie workers? Seriously? Come on.

We have been exporting our 'fuck the serfs and plebs culture to the hilt' for ever. Colonialism. And its ever growing, ever easier. The bigger the venture, the more money to be made, the more offshore outsourcing of basic tasks, well any task that possibly can be profitable. Its been common practice for ages. Even a few cents matters if the size and volume is there. Well, more and more now even the little 'business' is forced to fight tooth and nail just for a few cents, or sink. Don't hire, train, look after and set up young ozzies for a great, fulfilling lifestyle, don't encourage skillfull, hard working, talented immigrants who want to be a part of here, and contribute to here, because it fucking costs too much. It eats into the ever more demanded profits. A great, fulfilling life for Australians isn't even on the radar. On the radar, the target is lazy, fat cunt hocko's, and sleezy chubby, soft, lazy cunt costello's and co (who get massive super, pensions, all care, and had free education), brickies and laborers and cleaners and so on, looked upon as mere commodities, working to seventy, but lets go for eighty, for fuck all, longer and longer hours, with no pension or super, and education for their groms costing a fortune. I have to rehab those poor cunts. Its fucking insane. Sadly insane. Only productivity and profit at any cost are on the radar. So, as has been going on for ages, due to the basic aim of our, this western 'culture', just send 'it' offshore, to wherever is cheapest, and even invest in training and infrastructure etc there, if it means cheaper still. Then turn a blind eye, and pay as little as possible. Any task possible is outsourced offshore. Its massive, and getting easier and easier and ever more massive and profitable. And those exploited people are exploited even further as the virus spreads, and the war over a couple of cents escalates. Mexico? No India will do it 2 cents cheaper. Hang on the Philippines will be a cent cheaper... but Vietnam is offering at a cent off that...

Blaming immigrants for our long time 'cultural' choices and failings is ludicrous. But typical.

Like an idiot stuffing his face with shit all day, blaming his 'workout' for not making him skinny. Its typical though.

Have a good look at that wetty. And the Graphics on all those labels and packaging everywhere. The accounting behind everything. The manufacturing. Everywhere. The phone calls. The emails. The list is endless.