Next Federal Election
@pop” Instead of taxing Woodside more , let their competitors Build a Project and get more supply On Line”
What about securing a domestic supply and having cheap energy for manufacturing? You seem to be advocating for more supply, but for what and who. Australia’s current return on investment doesn’t stack up. Why allow more supply for export without plugging the revenue holes first.
soggy
The Only reason why Gladstone Gas goes off shore is because Off Shore money Funded it .
same with Most of the Gas that Woodside sells .
Big Japaneses , Chinese and Korean Utilities planned and signed Off Take Agreements .
Australian Banks don't Lend Money 4 Fossil Fuel Projects due to ESG Shit .
An Australian company like Santos , is NOT even allowed to build a Big new project atm .
We should have the Future Fund , fun 2 Projects 4 Just Australian consumption .
Our Manufacturing industry then can have Cheap electricity , again and Woodside won't make excessive profits . again .
It's OUR Gas , when WE pay to get it OUT of the ground !
You perfectly described the problem in OZ Pop. Neo Liberalism. Worked out fantastically.
"Fliplid - Madoff sure knew a Balance sheet ,much better than Chalmers !"
just as Angus sure knows how to siphon off his clients (the taxpayers) money!
seeds wrote:You perfectly described the problem in OZ Pop. Neo Liberalism. Worked out fantastically.
Definitely did for some!!!
Give an example Fliplid .
A great Leader can break through on almost ANY issue .
Trump gave the Green Light to Fracking and the US became Self sufficient with Oil .
Biden killed the Industry and Trump will start it again .
Melei is changing Argentina , the numbers are looking very positive .
Abbott stopped the unstoppable boats .
Norway promoted its Fossil Fuel Business , Australia doesn't .
A Leader with Passion and True Grit , with the Peoples support , can still achieve the most remarkable things in our Capitalistic system .
Pop Down, as an example, Angus directly lobbied for the sale of water rights back to the government for $79 million by a company he co-founded even though the LNP where against buybacks at the time, Barnaby Joyce said "no more buybacks" Angus convinced him to buy. That company made a $52 million profit on the sale, they were ecstatic, couldn't believe their good luck, absolutely flabbergasted at their windfall. $79 million dollars of taxpayers money that went to an overseas company with zero benefit to the Australian taxpayer, the people he was elected to represent.
Same with the carbon credit scheme when he cancelled the fixed price contracts after the price went gangbusters. Private firms made billions of extra profit while the government lost out on about $5 billion of equity.
"A Leader with Passion and True Grit , with the Peoples support , can still achieve the most remarkable things in our Capitalistic system ."
Exactly.
Imagine how many smart kids from the bush could have been sent to a good uni in the city to train to become doctors or engineers etc with the $79 million Angus enabled to be sent to a foreign company based in the Cayman Islands. Imagine the contribution and benefit to the economy and community those kids could have made. We need doctors and engineers, a great leader could have made it happen, instead, Angus sent it all overseas never to be seen again. He's a smart man, not a great man
I didn't know about the gas financing arrangements until you mentioned it so it makes sense that those countries/ financiers are getting what they paid for, still doesn't mean we shouldn't be getting a better slice of the pie
Anyway, I've had my rant and off to work. Enjoy your day
Thanks Fliplid .
Sounds like Angus played by the Rules , playing the Water Rights game and made fair money .
Not the first person .
Innocent until guilty imho !
The Ref cost 450m .
Billions gets skimmed / lost , due to fingers in the Government Trough .
To B Treasurer you need to B Smart , not nice .
The PM HAS 2 B good and Lead a great team !
Fliplid wrote:Pop Down, as an example, Angus directly lobbied for the sale of water rights back to the government for $79 million by a company he co-founded even though the LNP where against buybacks at the time, Barnaby Joyce said "no more buybacks" Angus convinced him to buy. That company made a $52 million profit on the sale, they were ecstatic, couldn't believe their good luck, absolutely flabbergasted at their windfall. $79 million dollars of taxpayers money that went to an overseas company with zero benefit to the Australian taxpayer, the people he was elected to represent.
Same with the carbon credit scheme when he cancelled the fixed price contracts after the price went gangbusters. Private firms made billions of extra profit while the government lost out on about $5 billion of equity.
"A Leader with Passion and True Grit , with the Peoples support , can still achieve the most remarkable things in our Capitalistic system ."
Exactly.
Imagine how many smart kids from the bush could have been sent to a good uni in the city to train to become doctors or engineers etc with the $79 million Angus enabled to be sent to a foreign company based in the Cayman Islands. Imagine the contribution and benefit to the economy and community those kids could have made. We need doctors and engineers, a great leader could have made it happen, instead, Angus sent it all overseas never to be seen again. He's a smart man, not a great man
I didn't know about the gas financing arrangements until you mentioned it so it makes sense that those countries/ financiers are getting what they paid for, still doesn't mean we shouldn't be getting a better slice of the pie
Anyway, I've had my rant and off to work. Enjoy your day
Crikey, if we had a proper NCAA, I reckon Angus could be looking a jail time. Just what went down with Sydney City Council would be enough.
Water buy back, grass lands etc.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/apr/30/nearly-beyond-bel...
More gas for what and who. Pop our current PRRT leaves the owners of these resources, the citizens of Australia, grossly underpaid. Increasing supply without establishing a domestic supply policy so we can enjoy cheap energy from a resource we own and plug the wholes and stop the golden elevator exits from politics would be foolish, what you are proposing is extremely foolish and makes no sense from a responsible business management position.
@Pop” It's OUR Gas , when WE pay to get it OUT of the ground !”
Nope.
Well your winning. We’re giving it away just like you want. Could you tell us all the good things that are happening because we’re exporting all our gas for nothing?
soggydog wrote:@Pop” It's OUR Gas , when WE pay to get it OUT of the ground !”
Nope.
Well your winning. We’re giving it away just like you want. Could you tell us all the good things that are happening because we’re exporting all our gas for nothing?
soggy
Australia is in the business of Selling Resources , its our Golden Goose .
Companies go a look for Deposits of Stuff , prove they are there , build a Project to get it Out of the Ground , organise transport to Markets and Sell the Stuff at the Highest Price they can get .
If its an Internationally Traded resource like Gold , Gas , Iron Ore , the Price is Set outside Australia .
Woodside aren't selling the Gas 4 nothing , BHP doesn't Sell Fe , 4 Nothing .
That's Bad Business .
Australian's CAN have as much Gas as we are willing 2 Pay 4 ffs !
We can buy it on International Markets OR , Build our OWN and Power our whole Country by Natural Gas .
We can B a World Power House , powered by Gas .
I looked up the slurs on Angus Taylor and say BS !
The guys CV , as I thought , is magnificent .
It was found , by an Independent Law Firm , that he had NO Equity in the Business with with Water Rights .
It was a slur , Turncoat and Hansen Young tried to take him down and the Guardian , such Lefties and always unreliable , jumped in .
And 30 hectares of lovely grass ffs .
The guy is brilliant .
A Rhodes Scholar .
4th Generation Farmer who went into politics to help Farmers .
Voldy's Team just keeps getting better !
Angus Taylor has True Grit , your pathetic slurs show he is another ONE 2 watch .
Thanks boys .
How is Albo going ?
He thinks our Energy System is working well , as Australia had no Black Out during our hot , hot summer lol haha ffs !
https://m.
The Energy Regulator just said Nuclear Energy would take 15 years to build in Australia .
Probably right , we do things so slowly , would take the Japanese 5 .
Its all Too hard imho !
The Industry IS efficient , otherwise Japan and Germany would NOT B restarting reactors .
They also said our Networks reliability had dropped further and Blackouts are a Real Threat next Summer , IF its hot .
It said Renewables have come on slowly .
We ALL know that !
We know Australia can Grow with Cheaper Electricity !
Who doesn't want Australia 2 Grow ?
Cheaper electricity makes Our Country more Efficient and will improve Productivity .
Cut Red Tape , again and REALLY Do it .
Lets get moving and building homes !
Let's debate our Immigration Intake .
140 000 from Dutton , ok , that's MY figure .
2025 , 140 k and leave it there 4 3 years .
Then C how we ALL feel !
@pop , I’m not surprised you are becoming a Taylor fan , Abbott is also on your list of magnificent politicians . Each to their own, enjoy your day .
Supafreak wrote:@pop , I’m not surprised you are becoming a Taylor fan , Abbott is also on your list of magnificent politicians . Each to their own, enjoy your day .
Taylor is a klutz whose ambition is only outweighed by his stupidity, little wonder that he is in Dutton’s shadow ministry, he’s in good company.
Oh Pop. Angus Taylor may be the dumbest politician we have ever had. So far out of his depth he might just pop out the other side.
Don't know if he is dumb or not (evidence kind of suggests he is way out of his depth, demonstrated in question time continually being too scared to ask Jim any questions), but definitely devious.
Pop Down wrote:soggy
Australia is in the business of Selling Resources , its our Golden Goose .
Companies go a look for Deposits of Stuff , prove they are there , build a Project to get it Out of the Ground , organise transport to Markets and Sell the Stuff at the Highest Price they can get .
If its an Internationally Traded resource like Gold , Gas , Iron Ore , the Price is Set outside Australia .
Woodside aren't selling the Gas 4 nothing , BHP doesn't Sell Fe , 4 Nothing .
That's Bad Business .
Australian's CAN have as much Gas as we are willing 2 Pay 4 ffs !
We can buy it on International Markets OR , Build our OWN and Power our whole Country by Natural Gas .
We can B a World Power House , powered by Gas .
I looked up the slurs on Angus Taylor and say BS !
The guys CV , as I thought , is magnificent .
It was found , by an Independent Law Firm , that he had NO Equity in the Business with with Water Rights .
It was a slur , Turncoat and Hansen Young tried to take him down and the Guardian , such Lefties and always unreliable , jumped in .
And 30 hectares of lovely grass ffs .
The guy is brilliant .
A Rhodes Scholar .
4th Generation Farmer who went into politics to help Farmers .
Voldy's Team just keeps getting better !
Angus Taylor has True Grit , your pathetic slurs show he is another ONE 2 watch .
Thanks boys .
How is Albo going ?
He thinks our Energy System is working well , as Australia had no Black Out during our hot , hot summer lol haha ffs !
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=TG6bhANt&id=5770E3...
Aaah @Pop, always picking the wrong ones.
What is it with the fanboying of these conservative drecks.
"Taylor is brilliant"
Nah Pop, he's a fucking dill, an idiot, a Rhodes Dunce, just like your other LNP fanboy crush Totes Abbott.
Don't think so?
I give you Exhibit # 1...
Even his own people are laughing at how dumb he is.
Love you big guy, been mates nearly 50 years, but your political judgement sucks IMO.
But it's your opinion, think what you want. Like I do.
And I'm telling you, Angus is a dill
^ hahaha.. that clip is 18ct gold!
The nuclear energy proposal is an anything but renewables ideological madness.
I am not anti nuclear power but I certainly wouldn't live anywhere near one or down wind.
If SMR's eventually getup ( 10 to 30 years maybe) then it is viable but a full size nuclear power station station simply wont fit in the Australian energy power landscape as they simply don't have the turndown ratio to deal with variations in demand.
hello Adam 12
That clip was funny , nearly as bad as eating ears wax .
Even the Brightest can B Thick as Bricks , on some days .
Tony is on the Board at Fox .
Both Rhodes Scholars .
As U know , ONLY the brightest get Chosen to have a crack at that .
Taylors views on Energy Policy are spot on , he agrees with me : )
Abbott keeps proving he has Class and Honour .
No one on SN will agree , but he is a Good man that can B looked up 2 by most Australians .
problem is it seems people don't want to live adjacent to an offshore wind farm or have transmission lines running through their paddocks either.
@Pop,
Further to my post on Taylor, I think if you took a good look at his record and past behavior you would find him not only a stupid politician, but a dodgy one too. A grifter, a con artist.
The Taylor Family has recieved over $100M in grants and taxpayer handouts since he entered parliament. He set up a Cayman Island company that went on to receive $80M in dodgy water buyback money, no one knows who the beneficiaries are. He press released doctored fraudulent figures in a smear campaign against the Sydney Lord Mayor, he's misled parliament a number of times including in relation to his family's illegal destruction of protected grasslands...
There is more, I could go on, I am not basing my opinion of him on his looks or my own political bias or anything other than that I have watched him operate since he entered Parliament and had a close look at him and his record.
You should do the same.
I think it would change your opinion. Maybe, Hopefully.
Adam 12
I looked up the WaterGate issue , its BS .
Don't believe the guardian , its BS 2 !
You mention Stuff anyone wanting to smear him , can find in a second .
Have a look at his CV on Wiki , that's leftist and mentions all this stuff .
Have a look at his family !
And have a Real look at Abbott .
He has a Crack and definitely loves Australia .
Then compare them with Morrison and Turncoat .
Dutton has a Real Team 2 Lead and we will have a great contest , if Albo fires Up .
Well I must say, you give Indo a run for his money when it comes to wilful ignorance. Australian Boomer mentality economics “I’m alright mate, young blokes just don’t work hard enough” Next you’ll be accusing us of being marxists.
really soggy ?
Name ONE thing/policy U think I said , that is ignorant , Mr Smarty Pants .
U can't work out that we get Money for Selling Resources in Australia ffs !
U think we give the Stuff away 4 nothing !
I am NOT arguing 4 things that will help me !!!
I am alright and don't need any fn help .
Like Abbott , I love Australia !
Whos side are U on , Mr Socialist ? !
On second thoughts soggy , please don't respond .
My brain will get soggy chatting with u .
Speaking of stupidity in the LNP dream team where are they hiding Barnyard these days?
Pop Down wrote:really soggy ?
Name ONE thing/policy U think I said , that is ignorant , Mr Smarty Pants .
U can't work out that we get Money for Selling Resources in Australia ffs !
U think we give the Stuff away 4 nothing !
I am NOT arguing 4 things that will help me !!!
I am alright and don't need any fn help .
Like Abbott , I love Australia !
Whos side are U on , Mr Socialist ? !
On second thoughts soggy , please don't respond .
My brain will get soggy chatting with u .
One policy, how about our PRRT not securing a domestic supply.
Watch the movie andy-Mac posted, see the increase in gas exports and the same time decline in collected revenue then tell us the good bits you goose.
Good question Smiley
In a place like the US or Europe , a Polly getting Legless , would B a Career Ending move .
Does Australia give a Stuff about a Bombed Barnaby ?
Will the Nationals loose votes because of this ?
Probably not .
I do Care about a Leader being Out of Control and think he is on his Last Chance .
For his families and Australia's sake , I really hope he has Diffused His Bomb .
“ Voldy's Team just keeps getting better ! “ really pops ? What about his deputy ? Class act ? Environmental warrior ? https://www.themonthly.com.au/the-politics/rachel-withers/2022/05/26/des...
She added an extra 's' to her name, that makes her alright with me.
Sussy ?
soggydog wrote:Pop Down wrote:really soggy ?
Name ONE thing/policy U think I said , that is ignorant , Mr Smarty Pants .
U can't work out that we get Money for Selling Resources in Australia ffs !
U think we give the Stuff away 4 nothing !
I am NOT arguing 4 things that will help me !!!
I am alright and don't need any fn help .
Like Abbott , I love Australia !
Whos side are U on , Mr Socialist ? !
On second thoughts soggy , please don't respond .
My brain will get soggy chatting with u .
One policy, how about our PRRT not securing a domestic supply.
Watch the movie andy-Mac posted, see the increase in gas exports and the same time decline in collected revenue then tell us the good bits you goose.
I reckon Pop is just taking the piss.
Otherwise, no hope, starts using the leftie name calling nonsense, first retort when someone cannot make a legitimate argument.
Sky news syndrome.....
Have a good weekend!
actually, now you mention it a-mac...
i've never seen @Pop Down, and @adam12
in the same room at the same time...
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Barny is still there GuySmiley, I saw him the other day checking his phone and picking the lunch out of his teeth on the front bench while Duttshit rambled on about nuclear. I guess he's just been told to stay out of the spotlight.
One thing I've noticed about Voldy is that he is ruthless in getting rid of distractions. Remember the LNP polly awhile back accused of sexual misconduct? nope? no one else does either, gone within a few days, got him out of the news cycle, same with Barnaby. It's all about focusing on the message, even if it doesn't make sense
Like Angus he's cunning smart but dumb on the details and you wouldn't want to trust him with the books.
lol soggy Brain
It's not the job of a Tax on a Product to secure its supply .
Political Will is needed , that's all .
Political Will has turned our Domestic Supply off , Einstein .
Andy - U only read the Guardian and always post links to it ffs !
On issues Adam 12 is a fn Leftey , on some others he is a fn Righty .
I am always Right .
We never argue when not on SN , I think .
Pop Down wrote:lol soggy Brain
It's not the job of a Tax on a Product to secure its supply .
Political Will is needed , that's all .
Political Will has turned our Domestic Supply off , Einstein .
Andy - U only read the Guardian and always post links to it ffs !
On issues Adam 12 is a fn Leftey , on some others he is a fn Righty .
I am always Right .
We never argue when not on SN , I think .
"Political will" you say Pops, interested in your take on who and when showed some of it in the 9 years prior to your "I don't trust Albo" govt! or those 9 years slips under your all care and no responsibility ethos
Hello Smiley again .
Another good question .
I think I said Australians, mostly , don't trust the PM .
I did , but now don't .
At the Federal Level , the Libs showed no real Political Will at all , except 4 Abbott Stopping the boats .
I won't include Dutton saying NO 2 the Ref and nothing else , comes to mind .
Both Parties policies have been the same .
Follow focus group Stuff .
None have shown the Courage and Leadership of Robert Hawke !
Another Rhodes Scholar !
Australia now needs Leadership to Get Immigration under control , to Improve our Energy Transition transition , promote building homes , building dams , promoting ALL business , including mining , make it easier to run a business , plant trees , tell US the truth about stuff , like Covid , Education etc etc
Adam 12 is a Jeckle and Hyde type and loves pranking 2 !
A real Jolly Joker Juror type .
basesix wrote:actually, now you mention it a-mac...
i've never seen @Pop Down, and @adam12
in the same room at the same time...
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Reckon ya nailed it!! Haha :)
^^^ so it’s a waffle whinge fest then pops
Perhaps a Wish list 4 Christmas , Smiley .
Any of this stuff interest U , any suggestions ?
What's on your Santa List 4 Australia ?
^^^ let’s start with a return to bipartisanship on important nation building issues and less division for division sake and see where that gets us pops
Pop Down wrote:Hello Smiley again .
Another good question .
I think I said Australians, mostly , don't trust the PM .
I did , but now don't .
At the Federal Level , the Libs showed no real Political Will at all , except 4 Abbott Stopping the boats .
I won't include Dutton saying NO 2 the Ref and nothing else , comes to mind .
Both Parties policies have been the same .
Follow focus group Stuff .
None have shown the Courage and Leadership of Robert Hawke !
Another Rhodes Scholar !
Australia now needs Leadership to Get Immigration under control , to Improve our Energy Transition transition , promote building homes , building dams , promoting ALL business , including mining , make it easier to run a business , plant trees , tell US the truth about stuff , like Covid , Education etc etc
Adam 12 is a Jeckle and Hyde type and loves pranking 2 !
A real Jolly Joker Juror type .
Speaking of boats, how crazy is it that Chinese are now trying to get here by boat.
"Chinese nationals are trying to get from Indonesia to Australia by boat. This is why they're risking their lives"
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-20/chinese-nationals-risking-lives-t...
Nooooooo
https://m.
&pp=ygUZZnJpZW5kbHlqb3JkaWVzIGF1c3RyYWxpYQ%3D%3D Hello Smiley
Perhaps U can let me know when U think our Pollies last got together and were nice to each other ?
Covid doesn't count as they were ALL wrong !
How about giving a view on immigration intake .
I say 140k next year , what's a good number that WE can all agree on .
indo-dreaming wrote:Pop Down wrote:Hello Smiley again .
Another good question .
I think I said Australians, mostly , don't trust the PM .
I did , but now don't .
At the Federal Level , the Libs showed no real Political Will at all , except 4 Abbott Stopping the boats .
I won't include Dutton saying NO 2 the Ref and nothing else , comes to mind .
Both Parties policies have been the same .
Follow focus group Stuff .
None have shown the Courage and Leadership of Robert Hawke !
Another Rhodes Scholar !
Australia now needs Leadership to Get Immigration under control , to Improve our Energy Transition transition , promote building homes , building dams , promoting ALL business , including mining , make it easier to run a business , plant trees , tell US the truth about stuff , like Covid , Education etc etc
Adam 12 is a Jeckle and Hyde type and loves pranking 2 !
A real Jolly Joker Juror type .
Speaking of boats, how crazy is it that Chinese are now trying to get here by boat.
"Chinese nationals are trying to get from Indonesia to Australia by boat. This is why they're risking their lives"
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-20/chinese-nationals-risking-lives-t...
Really have won the lottery of life being born in Australia....
Pop Down wrote:Hello Smiley
Perhaps U can let me know when U think our Pollies last got together and were nice to each other ?
Covid doesn't count as they were ALL wrong !
How about giving a view on immigration intake .
I say 140k next year , what's a good number that WE can all agree on .
^^^ funny you should mention immigration Pops because that is the last issue I remember our federal politicians having a bipartisan position on …. right up to the moment Howard sniffed political advantage in a dog whistle that is. Interesting to look back at what Howard said about immigration and how that contradicted his actions. Again memory tells me we were about 60,000 new migrants pa before Howard opened the doors …. haven’t the time to check right now I have a plane to catch
Might as well put this up in the politics subforum, to spare the front page. It's 18 months away or so, but here we go.
This is how Dutton wins:
https://www.afr.com/politics/enter-the-liberal-party-working-class-heroe...