CHINA!!!!

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factotum started the topic in Tuesday, 29 Jan 2019 at 5:09pm

Anything from the extensive menu!!!!

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indo-dreaming Monday, 13 May 2019 at 6:34pm

Yay...i read it before you deleted it..

It wasn't that bad, not sure why you deleted it?

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Blowin Monday, 13 May 2019 at 6:43pm

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indo-dreaming Monday, 13 May 2019 at 6:53pm

Damn missed that one :D

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Blowin Wednesday, 29 May 2019 at 1:32pm

Navy aircraft attacked with lasers by Chinese militias whilst Australia supplies iron ore to China with which it builds its navy vessels used to subvert our Navy.

The laser tactic has precedence by the Chinese in Africa and in the SCS.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/australian-navy-pilots-struck-by-laser...

You can’t make this shit up.
And here’s a little historical double up on the irony
https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/1911306/pig-iron-bob-story-ret...

Aussie wharfies refusing to load a ship with the equivalent of iron ore* to prevent it being used as Japanese munitions on the Chinese people.

*When we had secondary and tertiary industry. Now it’s pure primary.

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Blowin Wednesday, 12 Jun 2019 at 7:52pm

OMFG.

Australian politics is riddled with CCP corruption. Hows this shit :

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/bowen-drawn-into-dirty-nsw-labor-lea...

You’ve got to love the quotes which describe this as a fundamental threat to democracy and reflective of the tragic state of the ALP . Well , you would , except they’re not referring to a high level politician being bought by a predatory foreign government run as a communist dictatorship, no , it’s the fact that a party insider leaked the story that they’re upset about.

Unelectable, traitorous scum.

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Blowin Thursday, 13 Jun 2019 at 4:06pm

WA ALP showing some backbone.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/western-australia/why-wa-is-china-s-next...

Nice work , McGowan.

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Blowin Friday, 14 Jun 2019 at 8:14am

Kevin - You were a disgrace as prime minister and you’re a disgrace now.

Fucking traitor with Xi’s balls bouncing off his chin. Talks about respect whilst treating the leader of our most important and reliable ally with complete disrespect. Rudd wants nothing more than for China to colonise Australia and for himself to be installed as head of the pet bureaucracy.

He’s literally positioning himself to prosper from our downfall.

Scum.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jun/14/turnbull-nuttines...

The REAL Kevin Rudd

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boostsurfer Friday, 18 Oct 2019 at 11:25pm

Y'all out of social credits, I'm taking your human rights

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 7 Jan 2020 at 10:47am

China are starting to stir up shit again in Indonesians Natuna islands.

https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2020/01/01/indonesia-lodges-strong-p...

Bit of an out of the box approach https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2020/01/06/first-line-of-defense-ind...

Region i believe is highly valued for gas reserves etc

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ArnoldKMB Saturday, 11 Jan 2020 at 7:09am

I swear every time I read something related to China it feels like everyone had a task to overreact as much as possible on the smallest issues while ignoring big problems altogether. Am I alone on that?

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Blowin Monday, 25 May 2020 at 5:32am

From Macrobusiness:

Check this out from Kowtowing Kevin Rudd on the weekend:

“Seven years into this Liberal government, there is no evidence of a serious China strategy. Lots of tactics, but no strategy. China respects strength, not weakness. It also respects consistency.

So here are seven simple principles for the future. First, be unapologetic in our dealings with Beijing about the enduring nature of our US alliance. Second, be equally unapologetic about our support for universal human rights. Third, be unapologetic about vigorously prosecuting our bilateral economic interests with China, while also diversifying our trade relationships to the extent we can. Fourth, maximise our engagement with China through the G20 on global climate, financial and pandemic governance. Fifth, most importantly, we should build robust “coalitions of the policy willing” in Asia, Europe and elsewhere in areas where our interests are opposed to China’s. Sixth, policymakers should understand the difference between operational and declaratory policy – i.e. taking a tough line through our actions, as opposed to just mouthing off for the sake of it. And seventh, protect the Australian Chinese community from the sort of racial vilification that has been unleashed most recently.“

Exactly which of these did Labor follow over the past twenty years? It’s not easy to judge because it has rarely seen power. From opposition, at least, it has been:

at times, highly critical of the US alliance;
silent on human rights vis China;
thoroughly welcoming of Chinese cash bribes;
ditto as it hid behind the difference between declaratory and operational policy;
zero diversification on trade;
obsessed with race over national interest.
It was not alone. Until 2017, Kevin Rudd, Labor and the Coalition Government all pursued a “keep your head down” approach to China for two decades. We had a twenty-year “humans rights dialogue” behind closed doors. Deep trade integration, including an FTA in 2015. And, unbelievably, almost an extradition treaty as well.

What did it achieve? The growth of China amid the suppression of anti-CCP voices. Does anyone even remember the Dalai Lama and the “free Tibet” movement these days? Let alone the Uighers. It culminated post-mining boom in Australia getting its first taste of the real CCP, as its United Front insurgents violated our sovereignty in a wave of “sharp power” influence that included bribes, threats, lawfare and media manipulation.

Of course it did so. The “keep your head down” policy approach was born of a lie. The lie that China would liberalise. The lie served the interests of the CCP to disguise its rise because it projected a veneer of liberal civility and patriotism over a sordid truth of oligarchic corruption and treason.

But that time has passed. Since 2017, CCP activities in Australia have been exposed for what they are: a white-collar insurgency operating in the shadows that aims to sweep us into the Chinese sphere of influence and system of government while nobody is looking.

Alas for Kowtowing Kevin and other Labor apologists for the CCP they had staked their careers on that rise. It’s no wonder, then, that they fight to sustain the system that gave rise to it.

But the truth of the national interest is now the complete opposite of Kowting Kevin’s claims. The best, indeed only, defense against sharp power war is transparency. One must unfurl the sunlight. Prosecute the corrupt. Push back hard against coercion. Be open and assertive about what we want. Above all, throw out the “difference between operational and declaratory policy”.

That is, be a straight-shooting liberal democracy not Kowtowing Kevin’s silent satrap.

If China can’t handle that then it’s better we find out now. If the CCP shadows lengthen then one-day in the foreseeable future Chinese influence will express itself as an aircraft carrier parked off Bateman’s Bay as Labor deploys Hong Kong-style security laws (to fight racism of course). The US alliance will have already quietly died.

That’s the bad news. Thankfully, there’s some good. Labor is so blinded by Kowtowing Kevin and the corrupted China greybeards that it has missed the critical historical and political turning point.

It started three years ago with the Dastayari Affair. The responding blueprint for a defense against CCP influence and takeover was born in the hands of John Garnaut under Malcolm Turnbull, his one great, lasting legacy. It was a plan to bulwark Australian liberal democracy against CCP encroachments across the legislature, bureaucracy, business, and society.

At its core, that plan was to bring cleansing sunlight to all of the shadowy areas inhabited by Kowtowing Kevin and the CCP.

For a few years, the plan sat in Peter Dutton’s bottom drawer but as the scandals mounted it has steadily been deployed. There is now a fully-funded National Counter Foreign Interference Coordinator within Home Affairs bringing together an “all of government” approach to expunging CCP influence in everything from bribery to cyberwarfare.

The bureaucracy has started to get the message that there is no free lunch in kissing Chinese butt before shifting into private consulting to get your own slice.

As the Canberran oil tanker swings about, the media has increasingly gotten the message too. The conservative press has turned hawkish and the progressive has also shifted the dial, though it still has a case of severe Trump derangement syndrome. Even the pathetic ABC has done some good work on foreign student scams and spies.

State Governments, especially Labor run, are still a major problem, but they are under siege from this increasingly hostile media.

Universities that jumped the shark on Chinese influence are suffering from mounting brand damage and will, over time, fall into line as they realise federal funding depends upon it. Confusion Institutes are withering on the vine. The astonishing Drew Pavlou scandal is a measure of both the degree of debasement in the system and the intensity of cleansing light now brought to bear.

This broad national shift was already material before COVID-19 but afterward it is tectonic. Kowtowing Kevin can split hairs over how Australia pushed for an independent inquiry into the Chinese virus but the backlash against doing so was inevitable. The most important outcome of the process was that, when it came, Cabinet responded with a united counter-coercion strategy. As Chinese wolf wankers howled, Cabinet responded with one, confident voice instructing business to diversify away from China rather than return to Kowtowing Kevin’s malevolent shadows.

This is the truth of where we are today. Twiggy Forrest and China oligarchs are yesterday’s news. Australians themselves have turned on China and the Government knows it.

Enmity in the polity has been creeping up for years as the CCP operated undercover. Now, it’s broken into the open, stoked by a sharp power war that turned hot during the pandemic. Not only did the CCP lie about the virus, it demanded we keep borders open to spread it, while it stole our personal protection equipment. Since then, it’s done nothing but obfuscate.

The Australian community has now experienced CCP evil first hand. The coming slaying of Hong Kong will send its reputation to all new lows.

The same shift has transpired worldwide, especially within the Five Eyes alliance, which has also moved swiftly to reasoned if not co-ordinated counter-insurgency strategies for technology, trade and critical supply chains.

The great decoupling gives the Coalition the political bedrock to push forward with its profound national interest counter-influence and counter-coercion platforms. Indeed, as Labor bizarrely sides with the daily abuse of CCP wolf wankers, and its diplomatic niceties become indistinguishable from treason, it offers the LNP an irresistible political chance to rule interminably.

Blinded by greed, fame, corporate memory or pathology, Kowtowing Kevin and his ilk of dated ALP Sinophiles are leading Labor into political oblivion so complete that, ironically, we’ll also be a one-party state.“

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Blowin Tuesday, 3 Nov 2020 at 12:09pm

CHAFTA .....lol

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Gaz1799 Thursday, 5 Nov 2020 at 9:30pm

As if KRudd ever earned us any respect from the Chinese. Worst PM we've ever had. Been years since I've logged on and we're still discussing the same things! Only now China is playing the bully instead of the victim.

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Blowin Saturday, 23 Jan 2021 at 6:10pm

CCP trying to wean their indentured population’s reliance off foreign imports ?

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/china-s-frozen-food-coronavirus-theory...

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Blowin Wednesday, 27 Jan 2021 at 2:21pm

“It’s not a question of the crap Trump served up, it’s a question on what our so called, balanced free press chooses to reheat for our consumption. The fact they chose to include the targeted attacks of Xi Jinping as but a foot note on the menu of outrage while something as stupid as “covfefe” is elevated to the chefs special speaks volumes to the quality of media coverage in this country.“

This global address constituted of lies , fiction and outright denial of reality has slipped beneath the MSM’s threshold for interest after 24 hours yet Trump still gets half dozen articles a day. Something very wrong there.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/two-track-xi-reveals-china-is-in-no-mo...

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Blowin Wednesday, 10 Feb 2021 at 7:44am

China vs Taiwan . The hypothetical regarding “ All means short of war “ assault on Taiwan is alarming and shockingly imaginable.

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2021/02/how-to-prevent-chinas-war-on-ta...

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Blowin Wednesday, 24 Mar 2021 at 6:33pm

An opinion( not mine). But worthy of consideration.

“Biden’s a bit slow on the up take, the EU is in it for the EUs sake. They are a strategic competitor. They don’t care about Australia, and some of the members love China! Especially when China consumes half of their luxury cars!

Just remember, Germany was only allied with the US because of Communist Russia, but has now pivoted as a regional ally of Russia for mutual support, and raw materials technology exchange, against the US. France is slowly reverting to its ancient enemy status of Britain, belligerence for the sake of it.

Moreover, nations only ally with stronger states. US military power is clearly waning globally, in a decade it won’t be clear who is the most powerful. Anglo-Saxon states ally because of historical, linguistic, cultural, legally shared democratic ideals. That may include India as well. Japan because its desperate and culturally distinct in Asia. But that’s it…

make no mistake, other the than the UK, US, we are on our own… Europe won’t lift a finger when Taiwan goes under. They probably won’t even implement sanctions.”

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Blowin Monday, 26 Apr 2021 at 10:16am

Interesting perspective from Macrobusiness:

Various pundits have criticised last week’s cancellation of Victoria’s Belt and Road deal with China. The AFR editorial is typical:

Dead little deals like BRI are irrelevant.
We must engage China where we can.
Defending values is aided by finding common interests.
These are weasel words. The main reason Australia pivoted away from China was its intent to corrupt the country. The BRI deal is a perfect example of that attempt and the ideal target for pushback.

Historically, Australia’s China engagement transpired in two distinct phases. The first was commodities-based up to 2011 as Chinese economics and politics liberalised. The second was services-based after Xi Jinping took China back down the path of economic restructuring and tyranny.

The second phase came with a lot of tourists and students plus soft commodities. But as people-to-people exchanges deepened, China also injected a massive corruption push via lobbying, political bribes and various influence operations.

This was a plan by the Chinese dictatorship. It sought to wedge Australia from ANZUS by capturing interest groups, misusing our immigration program by occupying ethnic Chinese electorates, and to outright buy political parties.

The push back against this “silent invasion” is the most important feature of Australia’s Chinese decoupling given it is the feature of engagement most likely to destroy our values (that is, liberal democracy).

The BRI may be a largely dead deal, but it is the perfect symbol of this push by the CCP to quietly occupy Australia. On that basis alone it was right to can it.

But we must also look forward. On that basis, canning the BRI was even more important. By doing so, the Morrison Government has applied a corrective salve to what were deteriorating Australian normatives around the CCP.

Canceling BRI has reaffirmed an Australian value system that all such deals are inappropriate, that they comprise the national interest and that they will erode our freedoms. It has directly bulwarked what were warping political, business, education and community values around Chinese influence.

On that rationale, all such sub-national deals with China should be erased with prejudice.

While we are finally winning this battle at home, there are still some pretty scary ideas floating around on another front. A relevance deprived Tony Abbott was on the hustings on the weekend:

Xi Jinping is dedicated to taking back Taiwan.
If he succeeds, then other allies will no longer trust the US alliance network.
They will collapse into Beijing’s arms.
The US should remove all strategic ambiguity and back Taiwan to the full.
Even worse is Hugh White this morning:

US can’t win Taiwan war without nuclear deployment.
US is bluffing.
But if it does not fight then US strategic leadership collapses in Asia.
Both articles are typical Thucydides Trap drivel. Taiwan is not in the formal US alliance network for a very good reason. The Chinese/Taiwan conflict has always been a civil war played out on the global stage.

Taiwan is not the equivalent of Singapore for the British Empire in WWII, the point at which the rising power overruns the declining. It is the US’s equivalent of the British Hong Kong arrangement. China has always had a long-term lease on Taiwan, even if it is written in blood and not ink.

We should all be very thankful that generations of US strategic planners have had the foresight to see it this way, even if binary Australian dunderheads cannot.

If China invades Taiwan, then it will strengthen all formal US alliances in the region because every Asian capital will immediately be forced to ask themselves “are we next on the CCP target list?” They will scurry straight to Washington to sure up the alliance with big, fat cheques for new US naval bases in their home countries. Ask yourself, which southeastern Asian country wants to be occupied by a vicious and racist north Asian fascistic state a second time?

The US should absolutely play hardball over Taiwan. It should absolutely arm it to the teeth. It should absolutely see it as a crucial Cold War conflict and push China all the way. And, if the worst comes, it should absolutely destroy Taiwan’s strategic strengths such as semi-conductor production.

But it does not need to fight the war to save the empire. Instead, the US should build a global coalition of liberal states to make it plain to the CCP that if it does annex Taiwan then it will be unceremoniously booted out of the global economy via commodity, trade and capital blockades. Accompanying this ought to be a liberal BRI. A global Marshall Plan that rips all US-supply chains out of China and rains them upon the Asian alliance network instead.

That would make any CCP victory in Taiwan entirely Pyrrhic as, before long, it faced collapsing living standards and mass unrest at home.

We can already see the beginnings of this from the Biden administration:

Like-minded allies must come together to fight the rise of autocratic states.
They should act collectively on Xinjiang slave labour.
Values should permeate trade relationships.
The realist question facing the liberal world is not whether or not to defend Taiwan to save the US liberal empire. It is how to make that conflict the end of the illiberal Chinese upstart.

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truebluebasher Wednesday, 21 Jul 2021 at 2:46pm

Typhoon In-fa floods Chinese City Shengzhou ...about 20kms inshore
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/20/weather/typhoon-cempaka-in-fa-flood-c...
Near drowning train passengers send distress calls.
City cops more rain in 1 hour than 3 days in recent Germany / Belgium / Japan etc...
https://news.sky.com/story/china-floods-people-trapped-on-subway-trains-...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57861067
https://www.newsweek.com/plant-explode-dramatic-videos-flooding-china-al...