That’s weird, that’s queer, that’s crazy, that deserves a long hard look.

A society where children develop PTSD from simply attending school is indeed a sick society.

Supafreak wrote:

A society where children develop PTSD from simply attending school is indeed a sick society.

Neighbours across the road moved from Chicago to Australia - she's American, he's Australian. They left the US because of gun violence, saying that people in the old neighbourhood would send their children to different schools. Less chance that both would be killed.

sypkan wrote:

"god given rights to bear arms"

It's a bizarre perspective hey...

especially from over here in quaint little oz

but it is what it is... and, as I said, guns aren't going anywhere in the good ol' U S of A...

so it is what it is... it's the tone, dismissal, deflection, ...and ironically, 'dehumanizing' nature of 'the narrative' that is the real problem...

but you jump right in on that champ, if you must...

Who’s narrative, the guy with a new hole. Or the population demographic he chose to continually gaslight.

Charlie Kirk was hardly humanising when executing his position. A condescending air of superiority and impunity was obviously what lead to his own demise.

Funny how this has been confirmed as an act of political violence already.

Couldn’t it have just been a ‘crazy person’ who didn’t like Charlie Kirk? No excuse for what has occurred at all, but he’s been knee deep in the violent invective of which this *may* be an extension.

What are the odds that the shooter is a registered affiliate of one party or the other?

NRA as a lot to answer for.

There are approximately 350 -450 million civilian guns in the US alone.

Nothing more to add. Fools paradise. AW

gun ownership?

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/how-switzerland-combines-a-passion...

"Switzerland is one of the most heavily armed countries in the world. It is also one of the safest, and shootings such as the recent one in Sion, in the south of the country, are rare. This apparent paradox is due to a weapons culture that is intrinsically different from that of the United States. What's the secret?"

once again, I find it intriguing the leftist's know more about this guy than the people who are supposedly being contaminated by his 'hate'

I didn't even know who charlie kirk was... until he died... was murdered...

yeh, with the benefit of hindsight, I've seen a couple of his clips where he debates college kids, and yeh, there's a bit of this...

'Kirk made a career out of patronising and belittling naive unprepared college children.'

but from my limited knowledge, he did it with respect and civility, genuinely seemed to be trying to lower the tone to get to the bottom of things

his detractors?

well... check social media... for an insight into the nuttiness, pure obsessiveness, and hate...

genuine hate and vitriol

hysterical

just a suggestion... but maybe if the nutty left called out their own from time to time we wouldn't be in such a toxic politico-scape...

debate is the very basis of our western system of government, if you can't handle that, well...

move to china?

green room wrote:

gun ownership?

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/how-switzerland-combines-a-passion...

"Switzerland is one of the most heavily armed countries in the world. It is also one of the safest, and shootings such as the recent one in Sion, in the south of the country, are rare. This apparent paradox is due to a weapons culture that is intrinsically different from that of the United States. What's the secret?"

Green room. Hi.

It may well be one of the most heavily armed countries in the world but it doesn’t have a population of anywhere near 340 million people like the US has, therefore way more guns in more hands of those who by the virtue of being a gun owner, are prepared to use them.
US is also paranoid about be taken over or fired upon.
Coupled with the scare mongering vernacular pushed by the NRA that you need a gun to protect yourself, what hope is there. AW

This guy. See ya!

https://www.instagram.com/share/BAREss08mv

green room wrote:

gun ownership?

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/how-switzerland-combines-a-passion...

"Switzerland is one of the most heavily armed countries in the world. It is also one of the safest, and shootings such as the recent one in Sion, in the south of the country, are rare. This apparent paradox is due to a weapons culture that is intrinsically different from that of the United States. What's the secret?"

Hollywood ? Education ? Inferiority complex ? Paranoid ? How the west was won ? Take your pick . Could throw in half a dozen more but at the end of the day it’s basically “ culture “

Roadkill wrote:

soggydog wrote:

sypkan wrote:

"god given rights to bear arms"

It's a bizarre perspective hey...

especially from over here in quaint little oz

but it is what it is... and, as I said, guns aren't going anywhere in the good ol' U S of A...

so it is what it is... it's the tone, dismissal, deflection, ...and ironically, 'dehumanizing' nature of 'the narrative' that is the real problem...

but you jump right in on that champ, if you must...

Who’s narrative, the guy with a new hole. Or the population demographic he chose to continually gaslight.

Charlie Kirk was hardly humanising when executing his position. A condescending air of superiority and impunity was obviously what lead to his own demise.

Kirk made a career out of patronising and belittling naive unprepared college children.

Hardly children. They were young adults old enough to vote. Charlie always offered for the professors to come and debate him but they never showed.

sypkan wrote:

once again, I find it intriguing the leftist's know more about this guy than the people who are supposedly being contaminated by his 'hate'

I didn't even know who charlie kirk was... until he died... was murdered...

yeh, with the benefit of hindsight, I've seen a couple of his clips where he debates college kids, and yeh, there's a bit of this...

'Kirk made a career out of patronising and belittling naive unprepared college children.'

but from my limited knowledge, he did it with respect and civility, genuinely seemed to be trying to lower the tone to get to the bottom of things

his detractors?

well... check social media... for an insight into the nuttiness, pure obsessiveness, and hate...

genuine hate and vitriol

hysterical

just a suggestion... but maybe if the nutty left called out their own from time to time we wouldn't be in such a toxic politico-scape...

debate is the very basis of our western system of government, if you can't handle that, well...

move to china?

You obviously haven’t bothered to look into some of Charlie’s greatest hits. Nothing worth getting murdered over, but to characterise him as a moderate or bridge-builder is ‘intriguing’.

What’s also ‘intriguing’ is that anyone (you?) knows the motives and political ideology of the shooter. For which there is far less evidence than Charlie’s.

For all anyone knows, it could be a disaffected Republican. Right?

Do you know what Charlie Kirk said when Nancy Pelosi’s husband was brutally attacked with a hammer?

Do you know what Nancy Pelosi said when Charlie Kirk was murdered?

Compare and contrast. 5 marks.

etarip wrote:

sypkan wrote:

once again, I find it intriguing the leftist's know more about this guy than the people who are supposedly being contaminated by his 'hate'

I didn't even know who charlie kirk was... until he died... was murdered...

yeh, with the benefit of hindsight, I've seen a couple of his clips where he debates college kids, and yeh, there's a bit of this...

'Kirk made a career out of patronising and belittling naive unprepared college children.'

but from my limited knowledge, he did it with respect and civility, genuinely seemed to be trying to lower the tone to get to the bottom of things

his detractors?

well... check social media... for an insight into the nuttiness, pure obsessiveness, and hate...

genuine hate and vitriol

hysterical

just a suggestion... but maybe if the nutty left called out their own from time to time we wouldn't be in such a toxic politico-scape...

debate is the very basis of our western system of government, if you can't handle that, well...

move to china?

You obviously haven’t bothered to look into some of Charlie’s greatest hits. Nothing worth getting murdered over, but to characterise him as a moderate or bridge-builder is ‘intriguing’.

What’s also ‘intriguing’ is that anyone (you?) knows the motives and political ideology of the shooter. For which there is far less evidence than Charlie’s.

For all anyone knows, it could be a disaffected Republican. Right?

Do you know what Charlie Kirk said when Nancy Pelosi’s husband was brutally attacked with a hammer?

Do you know what Nancy Pelosi said when Charlie Kirk was murdered?

Compare and contrast. 5 marks.

Could be just another convenient distraction...the signature and book and all.
We know how far the Donald will go to cover his trail.
The logic for it being the product of any other political motivation doesn't stack up.
But then, it is America. People do just shoot people.

southernraw wrote:

etarip wrote:

sypkan wrote:

once again, I find it intriguing the leftist's know more about this guy than the people who are supposedly being contaminated by his 'hate'

I didn't even know who charlie kirk was... until he died... was murdered...

yeh, with the benefit of hindsight, I've seen a couple of his clips where he debates college kids, and yeh, there's a bit of this...

'Kirk made a career out of patronising and belittling naive unprepared college children.'

but from my limited knowledge, he did it with respect and civility, genuinely seemed to be trying to lower the tone to get to the bottom of things

his detractors?

well... check social media... for an insight into the nuttiness, pure obsessiveness, and hate...

genuine hate and vitriol

hysterical

just a suggestion... but maybe if the nutty left called out their own from time to time we wouldn't be in such a toxic politico-scape...

debate is the very basis of our western system of government, if you can't handle that, well...

move to china?

You obviously haven’t bothered to look into some of Charlie’s greatest hits. Nothing worth getting murdered over, but to characterise him as a moderate or bridge-builder is ‘intriguing’.

What’s also ‘intriguing’ is that anyone (you?) knows the motives and political ideology of the shooter. For which there is far less evidence than Charlie’s.

For all anyone knows, it could be a disaffected Republican. Right?

Do you know what Charlie Kirk said when Nancy Pelosi’s husband was brutally attacked with a hammer?

Do you know what Nancy Pelosi said when Charlie Kirk was murdered?

Compare and contrast. 5 marks.

Could be just another convenient distraction...the signature and book and all.
We know how far the Donald will go to cover his trail.
The logic for it being the product of any other political motivation doesn't stack up.
But then, it is America. People do just shoot people.

Can we get back to Epstein files.
Release them.

Charlie is just US gun Jeebus. He died for their guns. He was down with it.……died doin’ what he loved.

See link for context
https://www.instagram.com/share/_4Y2YbdZE

“It’s a prudent deal”

Wonder how his kids feel. Dads gone and school is a dangerous place.

Couldn’t look at that Soggy but I assume it’s this

In 2023, Kirk said that gun deaths were "worth it" to ensure the preservation of Second Amendment rights in the US-- which is the right to keep and bear arms.

"It's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year, so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights...That is a prudent deal," he said during an appearance at the Salt Lake City campus of Awaken Church on April 5, 2023.

Ironically, Kirl was answering a question about gun violence when he was shot dead.

If anyone has seen the footage of his death it’ll stun you. Farg guns!

I wonder if in that split second before his lights went out if he had any regrets.

This…..

& there are some other things goin on
- but, quick, look over there ;)

No, I mean the live up close footage. It’s horrendous what a gun can do.

https://youtube.com/shorts/8yJzXsY6DUc?si=gNPvZXIrgddZ5qiB

“ It’s terrible the videos. And it’s all over social media. Just horrific.”
(just like double standards and elite hypocrisy)

…terrible & horrific yep

- & sometimes ‘snipers’ are just following orders

https://youtube.com/shorts/76lSff46ccc?si=W2puH0j0bP1H6MJD

seeds wrote:

No, I mean the live up close footage. It’s horrendous what a gun can do.

…one must always consider ‘god given rights’ (in this day and age)
- paging selective outrage combatants ;)

https://youtube.com/shorts/xxpOZSLD6RM?si=LWGIq74d-OQbHfyI

Don’t get me wrong
Couldn’t care less the racist, divisive, carrot cake has been blown away
Hopefully in that fraction of a second he realised all those innocent schoolchildren in the states that have died from gun violence, were more innocent than him.
I wonder if he still supported the 2nd amendment in that moment the lights went out

It’s amazing the body’s arterial pressure.
Surely it’s been blocked by now. Not something young ones should be seeing.

seeds wrote:

Couldn’t look at that Soggy but I assume it’s this

In 2023, Kirk said that gun deaths were "worth it" to ensure the preservation of Second Amendment rights in the US-- which is the right to keep and bear arms.

"It's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year, so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights...That is a prudent deal," he said during an appearance at the Salt Lake City campus of Awaken Church on April 5, 2023.

Ironically, Kirl was answering a question about gun violence when he was shot dead.

If anyone has seen the footage of his death it’ll stun you. Farg guns!

Yep seeds, that’s it.

Amongst numerous other misogynistic racist bigoted comments designed to cultivate division.

seeds wrote:

Don’t get me wrong
Couldn’t care less the racist, divisive, carrot cake has been blown away
Hopefully in that fraction of a second he realised all those innocent schoolchildren in the states that have died from gun violence, were more innocent than him.
I wonder if he still supported the 2nd amendment in that moment the lights went out

I saw the clip. I doubt he would have even realised he’d been shot. That was LaLa land lights out.

I’ve seen a few people get shot. Even when they’re in a situation that they’re semi-expecting it (ie combat), their initial reactions often don’t line up the sensation with the cause. In this case the loss of blood flow to the brain would have been massive

Hopefully it was quick. For his sake.

soggydog wrote:

seeds wrote:

Couldn’t look at that Soggy but I assume it’s this

In 2023, Kirk said that gun deaths were "worth it" to ensure the preservation of Second Amendment rights in the US-- which is the right to keep and bear arms.

"It's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year, so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights...That is a prudent deal," he said during an appearance at the Salt Lake City campus of Awaken Church on April 5, 2023.

Ironically, Kirl was answering a question about gun violence when he was shot dead.

If anyone has seen the footage of his death it’ll stun you. Farg guns!

Yep seeds, that’s it.

Amongst numerous other misogynistic racist bigoted comments designed to cultivate division.

Please show us there comments in full so they can’t be taken out of context.

etarip wrote:

seeds wrote:

Don’t get me wrong
Couldn’t care less the racist, divisive, carrot cake has been blown away
Hopefully in that fraction of a second he realised all those innocent schoolchildren in the states that have died from gun violence, were more innocent than him.
I wonder if he still supported the 2nd amendment in that moment the lights went out

I saw the clip. I doubt he would have even realised he’d been shot. That was LaLa land lights out.

I’ve seen a few people get shot. Even when they’re in a situation that they’re semi-expecting it (ie combat), their initial reactions often don’t line up the sensation with the cause. In this case the loss of blood flow to the brain would have been massive

Hopefully it was quick. For his sake.

It looked quick, the amount of blood gushing out was hectic.
I heard his wife and kids were there watching. I hope this is incorrect.

He was wearing a Kevlar vest with plates?
The round hit him square in the chest and ricocheted up into his neck.

Was he regularly wearing a vest in public appearances?

This smells as fishy as the Trump one tbh.
Maybe be was supposed to take one in the front plate and shake it off.

Moonah wrote:

etarip wrote:

seeds wrote:

Don’t get me wrong
Couldn’t care less the racist, divisive, carrot cake has been blown away
Hopefully in that fraction of a second he realised all those innocent schoolchildren in the states that have died from gun violence, were more innocent than him.
I wonder if he still supported the 2nd amendment in that moment the lights went out

I saw the clip. I doubt he would have even realised he’d been shot. That was LaLa land lights out.

I’ve seen a few people get shot. Even when they’re in a situation that they’re semi-expecting it (ie combat), their initial reactions often don’t line up the sensation with the cause. In this case the loss of blood flow to the brain would have been massive

Hopefully it was quick. For his sake.

It looked quick, the amount of blood gushing out was hectic.
I heard his wife and kids were there watching. I hope this is incorrect.

I hope not. They don’t need that as their last memory of him.

etarip wrote:

He was wearing a Kevlar vest with plates?
The round hit him square in the chest and ricocheted up into his neck.

Was he regularly wearing a vest in public appearances?

This smells as fishy as the Trump one tbh.
Maybe be was supposed to take one in the front plate and shake it off.

I thought it must have been a head shot that missed.

Horrific thing to happen.

Don't think the world has become a worst place without him though by sounds of it.

Another dark event in a darkening world.
Where does this shit end?

Yep the line between life and death is very fine.

Poor kids.

.
Tried posting an image of the impact on his chest, before it hit his neck. Only posted a link to imgur.

It worked. I saw the image.
Very interesting thnx

Burls

Civil rights

At a December 2023 political conference hosted by his Turning Points USA group, Wired magazine reported that Kirk decried not only Martin Luther King Jr., calling the civil rights leader "awful" and "not a good person," but also the Civil Rights Act of 1965 that outlawed discrimination on the basis of race, colour, religion, sex and national origin, and prohibited segregation.

"I have a very, very radical view on this, but I can defend it, and I've thought about it," Kirk said. "We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s."

Kirk argued the statute had brought about what he said was a "permanent" bureaucracy meant to promote diversity, equity and inclusion.

I know it’s yahoo/ salon but
https://www.salon.com/2025/08/04/how-charlie-kirk-turned-to-religion-to-...

He does agree with you about the Covid years

Will there be civil war during Trump’s term ? I don’t see things getting better, more division than ever. Both sides call each other “ they “ not , my fellow Americans.

…turd :

“So you say during the war, you can't have elections," he said.

"So let me just say, three and a half years from now, so you mean if we happen to be in a war with somebody, no more elections.

"Oh, that's good. I wonder what the fake news is going to say."

^ just jokes ;)

- or ?

;);)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-08-29/can-you-hold-an-election-during-a...

Is that the case in USA legislation?

seeds wrote:

etarip wrote:

He was wearing a Kevlar vest with plates?
The round hit him square in the chest and ricocheted up into his neck.

Was he regularly wearing a vest in public appearances?

This smells as fishy as the Trump one tbh.
Maybe be was supposed to take one in the front plate and shake it off.

I thought it must have been a head shot that missed.

Just watched again. There was a definite shock through his shirt in the chest area and it seems a minuscule before the trauma.
And yep he wasn’t thinking another thought after his t shirt rippled.
Side angle demonstrates that.

^ it hits his chest plate first for sure, then up into neck.

& re legislation q…

In ‘the make it up as u go’ legislation it’s gotta be a probable ;)

(but hopefully as realistic as the ‘prices are goin down, the wars will be stopped & the epstein files released’ legislative commitment)

…who knows if a ‘they’ vs ‘them’ war within the US could enable it tho.