Latest on wetsuits.....
ron wrote:freeride76 wrote:Feels kinda weird no Aussie manufacturer has picked up on Yamamoto rubber.
Thinking the same. If Need Essentials can get a Y40 suit done a bit cheaper than Isurus, feral etc they will get a huge chunk of the market.
Does Yamato tear easily?
Florence had pre order suits at $250 us
They are looking to expand into the mid tier market.
Interesting to see how they will run.
ringostarr wrote:Manufacturer warranites are a bit of a furphy. Don't let them throw you off your rights under the Australian Consuemr Law. Many (most?) companies that offer a separate warranty do so (a) as a marketing mechanism to increase sales (eg I recently bought a fridge where one of my key decisions was that the particular fridge came with a 10 year warranty on the compressor which was important for me as that is what had failed on my old fridge), (b) to trick consumers into thinking that their rights expire when the warranty expires, or (c) to actually upsell to gullible consumers who are willing to pay extra for a longer warranty ((c) often goes hand in hand with (b)) .
Under the Australian Consumer Law, all consumers of domestic goods purchased in Australia are protected by statutory warranties or (a.k.a consumer guarantees). These apply regardless of whatever manaufacturer's warranty is provided "on top" of the consumer guarantee.
The consumer guarantees include:
-goods will be of acceptable quality
-goods will be fit for a particular purpose
-the manufacturer will provide repairs or spare parts for a reasonable timehttps://www.accc.gov.au/about-us/publications/a-guide-to-consumer-guaran...
It is illegal for manufacturers or retailers to not honour the consumer guarantees.
How long do the consumer guarantees last and what do they cover? It depends on what you are buying and what is the reasonable expectation for the quality and life of that product. If you buy a $600 wetsuit, use it a couple of times a week for a year and look after it, you probably have a reasonable expectation it will not fall apart after 13 months. Don't let manufacturers or retailers hide behind their warranties. In my experience if what you bought has deteriorated well before it would reasonably be expected to, even though outside the warranty period stated on the label, if you push the issue and mention that you know your rights under the Australian Consumer Law, you will get looked after.
You sound like an absolute knob. Imagine the poor kid on minimum wage having to deal with this when you return a 13 month old used wetsuit.
burleigh wrote:ringostarr wrote:Manufacturer warranites are a bit of a furphy. Don't let them throw you off your rights under the Australian Consuemr Law. Many (most?) companies that offer a separate warranty do so (a) as a marketing mechanism to increase sales (eg I recently bought a fridge where one of my key decisions was that the particular fridge came with a 10 year warranty on the compressor which was important for me as that is what had failed on my old fridge), (b) to trick consumers into thinking that their rights expire when the warranty expires, or (c) to actually upsell to gullible consumers who are willing to pay extra for a longer warranty ((c) often goes hand in hand with (b)) .
Under the Australian Consumer Law, all consumers of domestic goods purchased in Australia are protected by statutory warranties or (a.k.a consumer guarantees). These apply regardless of whatever manaufacturer's warranty is provided "on top" of the consumer guarantee.
The consumer guarantees include:
-goods will be of acceptable quality
-goods will be fit for a particular purpose
-the manufacturer will provide repairs or spare parts for a reasonable timehttps://www.accc.gov.au/about-us/publications/a-guide-to-consumer-guaran...
It is illegal for manufacturers or retailers to not honour the consumer guarantees.
How long do the consumer guarantees last and what do they cover? It depends on what you are buying and what is the reasonable expectation for the quality and life of that product. If you buy a $600 wetsuit, use it a couple of times a week for a year and look after it, you probably have a reasonable expectation it will not fall apart after 13 months. Don't let manufacturers or retailers hide behind their warranties. In my experience if what you bought has deteriorated well before it would reasonably be expected to, even though outside the warranty period stated on the label, if you push the issue and mention that you know your rights under the Australian Consumer Law, you will get looked after.
You sound like an absolute knob. Imagine the poor kid on minimum wage having to deal with this when you return a 13 month old used wetsuit.
Haha, the minimum-wage retail-employees worst nightmare.
March last year by surf ads:
"That endorsement, however, comes with one caveat. Rip Curl wetsuits, while stretchy, are notoriously flaky when it comes to durability.
I shall report back in one year to see how it’s holding up."
was there a follow up?
Hey Lanky I jumped on that Florence wettie pre-order a little while ago. Got a 4/3 and 3/2 coming later in the year. Pricing was pretty similar to Needs. Hopefully they’re decent suits.
burleigh wrote:ringostarr wrote:Manufacturer warranites are a bit of a furphy. Don't let them throw you off your rights under the Australian Consuemr Law. Many (most?) companies that offer a separate warranty do so (a) as a marketing mechanism to increase sales (eg I recently bought a fridge where one of my key decisions was that the particular fridge came with a 10 year warranty on the compressor which was important for me as that is what had failed on my old fridge), (b) to trick consumers into thinking that their rights expire when the warranty expires, or (c) to actually upsell to gullible consumers who are willing to pay extra for a longer warranty ((c) often goes hand in hand with (b)) .
Under the Australian Consumer Law, all consumers of domestic goods purchased in Australia are protected by statutory warranties or (a.k.a consumer guarantees). These apply regardless of whatever manaufacturer's warranty is provided "on top" of the consumer guarantee.
The consumer guarantees include:
-goods will be of acceptable quality
-goods will be fit for a particular purpose
-the manufacturer will provide repairs or spare parts for a reasonable timehttps://www.accc.gov.au/about-us/publications/a-guide-to-consumer-guaran...
It is illegal for manufacturers or retailers to not honour the consumer guarantees.
How long do the consumer guarantees last and what do they cover? It depends on what you are buying and what is the reasonable expectation for the quality and life of that product. If you buy a $600 wetsuit, use it a couple of times a week for a year and look after it, you probably have a reasonable expectation it will not fall apart after 13 months. Don't let manufacturers or retailers hide behind their warranties. In my experience if what you bought has deteriorated well before it would reasonably be expected to, even though outside the warranty period stated on the label, if you push the issue and mention that you know your rights under the Australian Consumer Law, you will get looked after.
You sound like an absolute knob. Imagine the poor kid on minimum wage having to deal with this when you return a 13 month old used wetsuit.
You OK @burleigh? Flaming @ringo for clarifying the law is a concerning sign.
Perhaps we have different standards because where I live - in Vic, you need a reliable winter suit or life is miserable and we pay $700 to $800 each time so it's hopefully understandable that we get frustrated when we pick the wrong horse. In 40 years of surfing through our winters, 3yrs life is reasonable expectation after which suits traditionally transition to 'spring/autumn' suits for the last 2-3 years of their life. Failure after 12 months implies product defect to me.
Back in the 90's I'd happily pay $650 for Rip Curl's Ultimate suit because of their after sales service. Life time guarantee on seams and no question asked replacement on worn out panels for a small cost - didn't matter how old the suit was. Every time I needed a new suit, I didn't question who I'd go to.
Stopped buying them 7 or 8 years ago because the frequency of repair became too high and the suits didn't measure up to market warmth, flexibility and duration performance. Since then I've been a rusted on Isurus customer for my winter suits - couldn't recommend them more highly.
I bought a second hand Isurus in 2021, and it's still going in 2025 so deffo going back there.
Bought a Rip Curl zipperless e-bomb last year and it's already running cold.
My last Need Essentials was a terrible suit so I'm inclined to give them one more go and see if it was an aberration.
Otherwise, gunna pay top dollar for Isurus and Yamamoto rubber.
burleigh wrote:ringostarr wrote:Manufacturer warranites are a bit of a furphy. Don't let them throw you off your rights under the Australian Consuemr Law. Many (most?) companies that offer a separate warranty do so (a) as a marketing mechanism to increase sales (eg I recently bought a fridge where one of my key decisions was that the particular fridge came with a 10 year warranty on the compressor which was important for me as that is what had failed on my old fridge), (b) to trick consumers into thinking that their rights expire when the warranty expires, or (c) to actually upsell to gullible consumers who are willing to pay extra for a longer warranty ((c) often goes hand in hand with (b)) .
Under the Australian Consumer Law, all consumers of domestic goods purchased in Australia are protected by statutory warranties or (a.k.a consumer guarantees). These apply regardless of whatever manaufacturer's warranty is provided "on top" of the consumer guarantee.
The consumer guarantees include:
-goods will be of acceptable quality
-goods will be fit for a particular purpose
-the manufacturer will provide repairs or spare parts for a reasonable timehttps://www.accc.gov.au/about-us/publications/a-guide-to-consumer-guaran...
It is illegal for manufacturers or retailers to not honour the consumer guarantees.
How long do the consumer guarantees last and what do they cover? It depends on what you are buying and what is the reasonable expectation for the quality and life of that product. If you buy a $600 wetsuit, use it a couple of times a week for a year and look after it, you probably have a reasonable expectation it will not fall apart after 13 months. Don't let manufacturers or retailers hide behind their warranties. In my experience if what you bought has deteriorated well before it would reasonably be expected to, even though outside the warranty period stated on the label, if you push the issue and mention that you know your rights under the Australian Consumer Law, you will get looked after.
You sound like an absolute knob. Imagine the poor kid on minimum wage having to deal with this when you return a 13 month old used wetsuit.
What a bizarre thing to say Burls.
Have an Isurus as well FR. Still good and this is season 4. Reckon by next season it will be the backup suit though. Dries faster than the alleged RC's fastest drying wetsuit. My other main suit was custom fit from 7till8 (all 3mm for the extra cold days) and is a bit better than the Isurus - partly due to custom fit and partly build quality - that top of the line Yamamoto is the bomb in every respect. It was $900 - so only $100 more than the RC top of line full price - but cost average when longevity comes into play then RC is not in the game (although I got my RC from surfection Mosman about half price - so for $400 it is what I would call fair value at that price but not when its full price).
So its that time of the year again where the mornings are getting fresher and the offshores are starting to show. It looks like its been a couple of years since there was a discussion about it so I am looking for wetsuit recommendations.....
Whats everyone wearing/buying or not wearing/buying and why?