The United States(!) of A
AW, thank goodness in our recent election the people rejected people like gsco.
Australia says no to you gsco.
No to your self righteous, judgmental, heartless and dare I say un Christian view of people.
I hope not too many people have to suffer your bullshit in the real world.
seeds wrote:AW, thank goodness in our recent election the people rejected people like gsco.
Australia says no to you gsco.
No to your self righteous, judgmental, heartless and dare I say un Christian like
I hope not too many people have to suffer your bullshit in the real world.
Seeds. Hi mate. Hope you are fine.
Gs-co is another Dutton really. Derives all their info from YouTube, Sky News or The Australian.
Fancy Dutton taking the people of Australia for a dodgem car ride over whether Nuclear energy would be suitable or viable.
Dangs with their hands in the sand and arses pointing north just waiting to be corrupted.
Did Dutton not think to check the legalities of Nuclear Powered energy plants, missed the fine print, it’s actually illegal in Australia.
Wouldn’t you’ve thought they might have done a little bit of research prior to flapping at the mouth and making promises, ah, the fine print, it’ll get you all the time.
Still waiting for Gs-co to join me in a debate about human induced climate change, once flapped his mouth about it, now the cats got his tongue, you pussy .Meow. AW
It appeared Dutton was stuck in his Murdoch bubble last couple of years. Ego getting stroked but he should have been hitting up as many lefty interviews as possible to get the intel he needed to understand the situation.
On another note when shaving the glans with glasses everyday it should have finally dawned on him the peeps don’t want that on the telly anymore. Eeeww.
Meow meows
seeds wrote:AW, thank goodness in our recent election the people rejected people like gsco.
Australia says no to you gsco.
No to your self righteous, judgmental, heartless and dare I say un Christian view of people.
I hope not too many people have to suffer your bullshit in the real world.
Unfortunately, gs-co was a university lecturer, so it’s likely that many young people had to suffer his bullshit, the ones he described as “unteachable…hostile…fragile…unreachable.” I think most decent human beings would react the same way if they had to interact with him.
overthefalls wrote:seeds wrote:AW, thank goodness in our recent election the people rejected people like gsco.
Australia says no to you gsco.
No to your self righteous, judgmental, heartless and dare I say un Christian view of people.
I hope not too many people have to suffer your bullshit in the real world.Unfortunately, gs-co was a university lecturer, so it’s likely that many young people had to suffer his bullshit, the ones he described as “unteachable…hostile…fragile…unreachable.” I think most decent human beings would react the same way if they had to interact with him.
That’s the funny bit. He doesn’t realise he’s the problem. He’s probably called derogatory names wherever he goes.
gs-co wrote:There's no ethnic cleansing or genocide. In a war sometimes one side wins. Are you saying you're just not happy with which side is winning?
What's the alternative? Allow Hamas and Islamic terrorist groups in the area to survive and regroup? Is that the outcome you prefer?
Of course it would be nice if humans didn't go to war and slaughter each other.
Hamas should have thought things through a bit more before going to war with Israel and indirectly the US.
Er, I suggest you stay in your lane maths boy.
International Humanitarian Law, the Geneva Conventions and the Genocide Convention, and the Laws of Armed Conflict and such is obviously not your strong suit.
gs-co wrote:Hamas should have thought things through a bit more before going to war with Israel and indirectly the US.
Lol at this guy thinking the "war" started in 2023
adam12 wrote:gs-co wrote:There's no ethnic cleansing or genocide. In a war sometimes one side wins. Are you saying you're just not happy with which side is winning?
What's the alternative? Allow Hamas and Islamic terrorist groups in the area to survive and regroup? Is that the outcome you prefer?
Of course it would be nice if humans didn't go to war and slaughter each other.
Hamas should have thought things through a bit more before going to war with Israel and indirectly the US.
Er, I suggest you stay in your lane maths boy.
International Humanitarian Law, the Geneva Conventions and the Genocide Convention, and the Laws of Armed Conflict and such is obviously not your strong suit.
Word...
And there could be a better way.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/19/village-where-israelis-and...
adam12 wrote:gs-co wrote:There's no ethnic cleansing or genocide. In a war sometimes one side wins. Are you saying you're just not happy with which side is winning?
What's the alternative? Allow Hamas and Islamic terrorist groups in the area to survive and regroup? Is that the outcome you prefer?
Of course it would be nice if humans didn't go to war and slaughter each other.
Hamas should have thought things through a bit more before going to war with Israel and indirectly the US.
Er, I suggest you stay in your lane maths boy.
International Humanitarian Law, the Geneva Conventions and the Genocide Convention, and the Laws of Armed Conflict and such is obviously not your strong suit.
Must be Hamas babies...
UN warns 14,000 babies could die in Gaza in next 48 hours without aid – Israel-Gaza war live https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/may/20/israel-gaza-hamas-aid...
^ exactly Hamas' intention
Hamas must be absolutely spewing that Iran didn't step in and help like they thought. Time to lay down your weapons and hand over the hostages, before anymore people die.
Iran played you all like fools. Hamas hammered, Houthis hammered, Hezbollah Hammered and Iran has done nothing.
gs-co wrote:^ exactly Hamas' intention
Yeah I get it, they are subhuman.
Run along math boy...
burleigh wrote:Hamas must be absolutely spewing that Iran didn't step in and help like they thought. Time to lay down your weapons and hand over the hostages, before anymore people die.
Iran played you all like fools. Hamas hammered, Houthis hammered, Hezbollah Hammered and Iran has done nothing.
You don't know anything about anything and have proven it time and time again. Crawl back to the rock you were hiding under after being emphatically owned and embarrassed here a while back. Genocide apologists and those who take a perverse satisfaction in the mass murder of innocent people, especially children, well, the whole world is now seeing you for what you are, and we have the receipts.
gs-co wrote:^ exactly Hamas' intention
Your brain will fry trying to deal with these people, even before Israel had retaliated after 7th Oct they were pushing the same BS they do now.
In their mind Israel should have just let it be an not retaliated and then given Hamas whatever they wanted to get the hostages back.
Basically encourage them and others to do it all again
While 7th Oct was one of the worst terrorist attacks in history and one of the biggest kidnapping in history it really has been a failure for Hamas and Iran in what they wanted to achieve
Hezbollah were suppose to do a similar coordinated attack from the North, but Hamas got impatient and went early so Hezbollah never pulled the switch, if they had who knows how many Israeli's would have died and been kidnapped and the security of Israel being breached so heavily that many would never feel safe living there.
As things are Israel is now in a much better position than it was before 7th Oct
1. Hamas are on their knees, Gaza is in ruins, they barely have a rocket left, all their head leaders are dead and others below them still getting taken out every week a large amount of fighters dead, this is a huge loss of experience, you can pay others to fight but they aren't experienced fighters. (big difference)
Gaza will also never be left to be again, the border security will increase greatly, there will have to be harsher restriction's and military presence to prevent Hamas rebuilding.
Ideally like in most wars a loss of land should happen, you start a war you risk losing land.
(And yes its a new war the 2021 peace/ceasefire agreement was broken on 7th Oct the 2023 Gaza war is a new war, but yes the land has had endless wars since god knows when at least since philistines lived in the area now called Gaza)
If Hamas or any other group try this again, they know whats coming, but hopefully the pressure from the people will ensure Hamas dont rebuild, and maybe they actually build a future for the people instead of blowing billions on tunnels and rockets.
2. They havent stopped normalisation with other Arab countries especially Saudi Arabia, other Arab countries have not come to their aid, some like Jordan even helped take out Iran rockets.
In time it might even strengthen Arab relations, Saudi Arabia in particular really looks like a country that wants to work with the west and is very openly anti muslim brotherhood.
4 Hezzbolah a group that were ten times stronger than Hamas are a shadow of their former self, their iconic respected head leader dead, thousands of top fighters and leaders with life long injuries, most of their rocket stock piles have been taken out.
They are still a threat, but as of now seem to not even want to be involved in conflict.
5. Asad in Syria fell due to Hezbollah being weakened, the change has made it much harder for Iran to re supply Hezbollah.
6. The Houthis are probably one of strongest groups left, but they have taken severe loses and are over 1,000km away and an enemy of everyone but Iran & Qatar.
7. The puppet master and main funder of all these groups Iran has lost billions and it's economy is on the brink, this chapter is far from finished but their position and their ring of fire around Israel is severally weakened, hopefully the nuke thing is dealt with and we can only dream that the islamic republic falls and people get a government they deserve.
8. The two state solution idea is dead and buried, hamas didnt put a nail in the coffin they glued and nailed it shut, even the left in Israel are opposed to the idea due to the security risk it would bring.
It's probably even moved on the possibility of Israel annexing area C of the West Bank.
Wars always cost money and hurt economy's but Israel is doing okay, and more importably they have shown that they can defend their country, ensuring the people feel safe to live there even in times of war
The haters that are always going to hate Israel will always hate, but Israel has not become a pariah state, recently google the 5th biggest company in the world bought an Israeli's company for 32 billion it's biggest purchase, the whole young to middle age women crowd is usually one of the easiest manipulated by the bleeding heart brigade and as we saw in last week Euro vision they aren't all free Palestine nutters and Israel actually won the public vote by a huge margin.
So yeah the future is positive for Israel but not currently so great for Iran government and it's proxies.
"The haters... will always hate". Yeah, indo. I think it's pretty reasonable to hate ethnic cleansing and the mass murder of children.
Food for thought
…amongst the bibi banquet of butchers
@info.” So what is victimisation culture?
"A "victimization culture" refers to a societal or group dynamic where individuals or groups tend to emphasise their experiences as victims, often to the detriment of accountability and empowerment. It can manifest as a focus on personal experiences of hardship and unfairness, leading to a reliance on external validation and a lack of agency in addressing challenges.
"Key Characteristics of a Victimisation Culture:
Emphasis on Victimhood:
Individuals or groups may prioritise their experiences of being wronged or oppressed, viewing themselves primarily as victims.
Dependence on Third Parties:
Instead of taking responsibility for their own actions or circumstances, they may rely on external authorities or individuals to resolve their problems.
Intolerance of Criticism:
Victimhood can be used as a shield against criticism, making it difficult to engage in constructive dialogue or self-reflection.
Competitive Victimhood:
In some cases, individuals or groups may compete to be seen as more vulnerable or oppressed, which can hinder genuine solidarity and collective action.
Lack of Empowerment:
The focus on victimhood can prevent individuals or groups from developing a sense of agency and taking proactive steps to address their challenges.
Ruminating on Past Trauma:
Victimization culture can lead to a tendency to dwell on past grievances and traumatic events, hindering personal growth and preventing a focus on the present and future.
Psychological Impact:
Individuals who identify strongly with a victim mindset may experience a sense of passivity, powerlessness, and hopelessness. "
BTW. That isn't to say wrong doings of the past shouldn't be acknowledged, but there is a difference between acknowledging something and making something your focus or in some cases like Indo their identity”
I changed 1 word.
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@indo-dreaming celebrating the fact gaza is in ruins.
what a time for celebration hey @indo.
soggydog wrote:@info.” So what is victimisation culture?
"A "victimization culture" refers to a societal or group dynamic where individuals or groups tend to emphasise their experiences as victims, often to the detriment of accountability and empowerment. It can manifest as a focus on personal experiences of hardship and unfairness, leading to a reliance on external validation and a lack of agency in addressing challenges.
"Key Characteristics of a Victimisation Culture:
Emphasis on Victimhood:
Individuals or groups may prioritise their experiences of being wronged or oppressed, viewing themselves primarily as victims.Dependence on Third Parties:
Instead of taking responsibility for their own actions or circumstances, they may rely on external authorities or individuals to resolve their problems.Intolerance of Criticism:
Victimhood can be used as a shield against criticism, making it difficult to engage in constructive dialogue or self-reflection.Competitive Victimhood:
In some cases, individuals or groups may compete to be seen as more vulnerable or oppressed, which can hinder genuine solidarity and collective action.Lack of Empowerment:
The focus on victimhood can prevent individuals or groups from developing a sense of agency and taking proactive steps to address their challenges.Ruminating on Past Trauma:
Victimization culture can lead to a tendency to dwell on past grievances and traumatic events, hindering personal growth and preventing a focus on the present and future.Psychological Impact:
Individuals who identify strongly with a victim mindset may experience a sense of passivity, powerlessness, and hopelessness. "BTW. That isn't to say wrong doings of the past shouldn't be acknowledged, but there is a difference between acknowledging something and making something your focus or in some cases like Indo their identity”
I changed 1 word.
Victimhood can cause 17000 odd children to be killed and dismissed as "human shields".
So sad seeing these poor children fighting for food handouts surrounded by ruins as far as the eye can see.
If this isn't ethnic cleansing or genocide, I don't know what is.
All Trump sees is prime real estate for a golden waterfront casino for his rich mates.
If this is a war then it is the most one-sided war in human history.
Absolutely disgusting, no excuse for blanket bombing of innocent civilians.
soggydog wrote:@info.” So what is victimisation culture?
"A "victimization culture" refers to a societal or group dynamic where individuals or groups tend to emphasise their experiences as victims, often to the detriment of accountability and empowerment. It can manifest as a focus on personal experiences of hardship and unfairness, leading to a reliance on external validation and a lack of agency in addressing challenges.
"Key Characteristics of a Victimisation Culture:
Emphasis on Victimhood:
Individuals or groups may prioritise their experiences of being wronged or oppressed, viewing themselves primarily as victims.Dependence on Third Parties:
Instead of taking responsibility for their own actions or circumstances, they may rely on external authorities or individuals to resolve their problems.Intolerance of Criticism:
Victimhood can be used as a shield against criticism, making it difficult to engage in constructive dialogue or self-reflection.Competitive Victimhood:
In some cases, individuals or groups may compete to be seen as more vulnerable or oppressed, which can hinder genuine solidarity and collective action.Lack of Empowerment:
The focus on victimhood can prevent individuals or groups from developing a sense of agency and taking proactive steps to address their challenges.Ruminating on Past Trauma:
Victimization culture can lead to a tendency to dwell on past grievances and traumatic events, hindering personal growth and preventing a focus on the present and future.Psychological Impact:
Individuals who identify strongly with a victim mindset may experience a sense of passivity, powerlessness, and hopelessness. "BTW. That isn't to say wrong doings of the past shouldn't be acknowledged, but there is a difference between acknowledging something and making something your focus or in some cases like Indo their identity”
I changed 1 word.
Yes Palestinian's tick all these boxes and it's a road to nowhere just like Aboriginal Australians it's a self destructive culture.
The Jewish people should fall into this trap there in no group alive that has suffered and survived so much.
Most groups that suffered what they have no longer exists.
The Jewish people were victims of true colonisation under the Roman empire, that saw them not only lose control of the land but saw 600,000 to 700,000 slaughtered in the second revolt (the main massacre site is in areas of the West Bank) many become slaves of the Romans, many others fled mostly towards Europe (but thousand's never left Israel)
And of course like happens under colonialism the land name was changed to Syria Palestina (hundreds of years latter Palestine) yes Palestine is a colonisation name just like Australia or USA is.
As one of the world biggest refugee groups Jews then suffered for being different, strangers in others land to the point many changed their surnames to avoid persecution
Then they suffered the holocaust 6 million of 9 million Jews murdered many gassed to death, for being Jewish not white or European enough for Hittler but no longer middle eastern looking enough for you either.
Those Jews that never left Israel then suffered a second wave of Arab colonisation under the Turkish Ottoman empire another true colonial empire that took over most of the middle east and areas of North Africa.
With it in time came Arabic and Islam destroying many ethnic groups and cultures, and in Israel it saw non muslims become second class citizens who had to pay (Jizya) a tax for not being muslim. (cant pay convert or work it off) and yes attacks of Jewish villages by muslims started in this period (well as early as the 1517 Hebron attacks)
During this period the Jews then lost their most sacred site the temple mount, and had a mosque built on it and other sites like the Cave of the patriarchs (in West bank) said to be the burial site of Abraham taken over by islam.
And well today they are still hated by people like you and still fighting wars against a number of Jihadist groups who want to destroy them for being Jewish or to try to turn that 1% of the middle east not Islamic , back to an islamic land.
Basically Jews have every right to be burdened by victimisation culture and claim they are further cursed by intergenerational trauma and forever destined for failure.
But instead Jews are one of the most successful groups in the world they make up only 0.2 percent of the world population but excel in almost all areas, to the point they are accused of all kinds of crazy conspiracy theories, like running the world or USA etc
As an example Jewish people make up 27 percent of the Nobel physics laureates and 31 percent of the medicine laureates. Jews make up 2 percent of the U.S. population, but 21 percent of the Ivy League student bodies, 26 percent of the Kennedy Center honorees, 37 percent of the Academy Award-winning directors, 38 percent of those on a recent Business Week list of leading philanthropists, 51 percent of the Pulitzer Prize winners for nonfiction even 54% of Chess champions are Jewish.
They have also taken back their homeland possibly the only true case of decolonisation in history?
And created one of the most successful countries in the world let alone the middle east and unlike other middle east countries they havent done it on oil money, yes they have had help from the West, but even before 1948 after buying up large areas of land generally from rich Turkish living in Turkey they had already transformed large areas of wasteland to productive farmland that then saw an influx of Arabs attracted to the area seeing a large spike in the population
And is there any group alive that had their spoken indigenous language destroyed (Hebrew) and then somehow through one man, had the language reborn and spoken by millions again?
Basically while suffering more than any group in history they achieved more than any group in history.
There is countess articles on the topic but here's a start
"How to explain high Jewish achievement: The role of intelligence and values"
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886907003674
indo-dreaming wrote:soggydog wrote:@info.” So what is victimisation culture?
"A "victimization culture" refers to a societal or group dynamic where individuals or groups tend to emphasise their experiences as victims, often to the detriment of accountability and empowerment. It can manifest as a focus on personal experiences of hardship and unfairness, leading to a reliance on external validation and a lack of agency in addressing challenges.
"Key Characteristics of a Victimisation Culture:
Emphasis on Victimhood:
Individuals or groups may prioritise their experiences of being wronged or oppressed, viewing themselves primarily as victims.Dependence on Third Parties:
Instead of taking responsibility for their own actions or circumstances, they may rely on external authorities or individuals to resolve their problems.Intolerance of Criticism:
Victimhood can be used as a shield against criticism, making it difficult to engage in constructive dialogue or self-reflection.Competitive Victimhood:
In some cases, individuals or groups may compete to be seen as more vulnerable or oppressed, which can hinder genuine solidarity and collective action.Lack of Empowerment:
The focus on victimhood can prevent individuals or groups from developing a sense of agency and taking proactive steps to address their challenges.Ruminating on Past Trauma:
Victimization culture can lead to a tendency to dwell on past grievances and traumatic events, hindering personal growth and preventing a focus on the present and future.Psychological Impact:
Individuals who identify strongly with a victim mindset may experience a sense of passivity, powerlessness, and hopelessness. "BTW. That isn't to say wrong doings of the past shouldn't be acknowledged, but there is a difference between acknowledging something and making something your focus or in some cases like Indo their identity”
I changed 1 word.
Yes Palestinian's tick all these boxes and it's a road to nowhere just like Aboriginal Australians it's a self destructive culture.
The Jewish people should fall into this trap there in no group alive that has suffered and survived so much.
Most groups that suffered what they have no longer exists.
The Jewish people were victims of true colonisation under the Roman empire, that saw them not only lose control of the land but saw 600,000 to 700,000 slaughtered in the second revolt (the main massacre site is in areas of the West Bank) many become slaves of the Romans, many others fled mostly towards Europe (but thousand's never left Israel)
And of course like happens under colonialism the land name was changed to Syria Palestina (hundreds of years latter Palestine) yes Palestine is a colonisation name just like Australia or USA is.
As one of the world biggest refugee groups Jews then suffered for being different, strangers in others land to the point many changed their surnames to avoid persecution
Then they suffered the holocaust 6 million of 9 million Jews murdered many gassed to death, for being Jewish not white or European enough for Hittler but no longer middle eastern looking enough for you either.
Those Jews that never left Israel then suffered a second wave of Arab colonisation under the Turkish Ottoman empire another true colonial empire that took over most of the middle east and areas of North Africa.
With it in time came Arabic and Islam destroying many ethnic groups and cultures, and in Israel it saw non muslims become second class citizens who had to pay (Jizya) a tax for not being muslim. (cant pay convert or work it off) and yes attacks of Jewish villages by muslims started in this period (well as early as the 1517 Hebron attacks)
During this period the Jews then lost their most sacred site the temple mount, and had a mosque built on it and other sites like the Cave of the patriarchs (in West bank) said to be the burial site of Abraham taken over by islam.
And well today they are still hated by people like you and still fighting wars against a number of Jihadist groups who want to destroy them for being Jewish or to try to turn that 1% of the middle east not Islamic , back to an islamic land.
Basically Jews have every right to be burdened by victimisation culture and claim they are further cursed by intergenerational trauma and forever destined for failure.
But instead Jews are one of the most successful groups in the world they make up only 0.2 percent of the world population but excel in almost all areas, to the point they are accused of all kinds of crazy conspiracy theories, like running the world or USA etc
As an example Jewish people make up 27 percent of the Nobel physics laureates and 31 percent of the medicine laureates. Jews make up 2 percent of the U.S. population, but 21 percent of the Ivy League student bodies, 26 percent of the Kennedy Center honorees, 37 percent of the Academy Award-winning directors, 38 percent of those on a recent Business Week list of leading philanthropists, 51 percent of the Pulitzer Prize winners for nonfiction even 54% of Chess champions are Jewish.
They have also taken back their homeland possibly the only true case of decolonisation in history?
And created one of the most successful countries in the world let alone the middle east and unlike other middle east countries they havent done it on oil money, yes they have had help from the West, but even before 1948 after buying up large areas of land generally from rich Turkish living in Turkey they had already transformed large areas of wasteland to productive farmland that then saw an influx of Arabs attracted to the area seeing a large spike in the population
And is there any group alive that had their spoken indigenous language destroyed (Hebrew) and then somehow through one man, had the language reborn and spoken buy millions again?
Basically while suffering more than any group in history they achieved more than any group in history.
There is countess articles on the topic but here's a start
"How to explain high Jewish achievement: The role of intelligence and values"
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886907003674
Even if what you wrote is 100% correct, it in no way excuses what the Israeli government is doing now in Gaza.
FFS there are many Jews speaking out against this genocide as well, oh they must be self hating ey.
Opposing Nazi's did not make you anti German, and opposing Israel's actions in Gaza does not make you antisemitic, something your cognitive ability fails to grasp.
By indo's rationale, Indigenous Australians should be able to, with the help of the American war machine, arm themselves to the teeth and bomb the living daylights out out of every man woman in Australia that is a descendant of British Colonisation.
indo-dreaming wrote:As things are Israel is now in a much better position than it was before 7th Oct
Much like Germany being in a better position prior to murdering 6 million jews.
garyg1412 wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:As things are Israel is now in a much better position than it was before 7th Oct
Much like Germany being in a better position prior to murdering 6 million jews.
Some interesting points in this clip.
Ramifications for West.
Also, token move only but nevertheless a step in right direction.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/20/uk-suspends-trade-talks-wi...
garyg1412 wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:As things are Israel is now in a much better position than it was before 7th Oct
Much like Germany being in a better position prior to murdering 6 million jews.
Mate your projection bullshit wont work with me, go learn some history as ive pointed out before Arabs including those in Palestine actually worked with the Nazi's and Hitler there was even Arabs fighting alongside the Nazis.
"Tens of thousands of Muslims fought for the Nazis in World War Two. DW spoke with historian David Motadel about whether pragmatism or anti-Semitism drove Adolf Hitler's overtures and why some Muslim leaders backed him."
https://www.dw.com/en/how-nazis-courted-the-islamic-world-during-wwii/a-...
Nazi's and Hamas and other Jihadist share very similar ideologies, not just a hatred of Jews but also other minority groups.
If Hamas and other group's had the ability to kill 6 million Jews today do you think they would?
Of course they would
Israel has the ability to kill millions and they dont, they actually go to length's never seen in history to avoid civilian deaths even doing the most crazy things like giving warning before striking certain buildings etc
As i said the other day, you people would have been calling to the end of the war with the Nazi's and been against the airstrike's on Germany claiming too many civilians are being killed.
Only a complete fuckwitt would try to claim about 25,000 civilians killed in a war (the other half are Hamas and Palestine islamic fighters) is somehow the same as 6 million Jews and millions of other's being murdered in things like gas chambers.
The Nazis were the ones that attacked Poland, Hamas also attacked Israel, Russia attacked Ukraine.
If you attack a country and start a war you risk losing a war, and if you are going to turn your whole country into some rats nest of tunnels built for military purposes then you make these military facilties fair targets, same deal with any other civilian infrastructure used by Hamas.
Israel will be like the UK after this war and move on with life and as i said in a better position, but yes Gaza will be like Germany after this war
"Germany faced a period of immense hardship, including occupation by the Allies and subsequent division into West and East Germany. The country underwent significant political, economic, and social transformations, including demilitarization, denazification, and the eventual economic recovery of West Germany. "
Although Nazi ideology pretty much died, but sadly Jihadism will not be going anywhere, maybe the best we can ever hope for is the fall of the Islamic rebuplic of Iran and for countries to follow in the footsteps of countries like Saudi Arabia not perfect but better.
^ hahaha
- another eggspurt rendition of edumacation ;)
Let’s use inconsistency and cherry picked anti arab sentiment to provide false equivalence through the noinfo make it up as you go show…
Nothing but another farkn head up arse gerbil ‘fuckwitt’ fest
…you can’t even spell fuckwit properly hahaha
Oh, and after your effort at downplaying saudi sensibilities whilst trying to throw your continuous contradictory support behind bibi the butcher ;)
Don’t forget the whole IBM complicit US holocaust punchcard technology
- and let’s ignore all the other saudi 9/11 affiliates ;)
It’$ all hunky dory ;);)
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13816636-ibm-and-the-holocaust
“ Although Nazi ideology pretty much died… “
- hahaha
?si=97htlvNsuNDEUEn8 indo-dreaming wrote:garyg1412 wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:As things are Israel is now in a much better position than it was before 7th Oct
Much like Germany being in a better position prior to murdering 6 million jews.
Mate your projection bullshit wont work with me, go learn some history as ive pointed out before Arabs including those in Palestine actually worked with the Nazi's and Hitler there was even Arabs fighting alongside the Nazis.
"Tens of thousands of Muslims fought for the Nazis in World War Two. DW spoke with historian David Motadel about whether pragmatism or anti-Semitism drove Adolf Hitler's overtures and why some Muslim leaders backed him."
https://www.dw.com/en/how-nazis-courted-the-islamic-world-during-wwii/a-...Nazi's and Hamas and other Jihadist share very similar ideologies, not just a hatred of Jews but also other minority groups.
If Hamas and other group's had the ability to kill 6 million Jews today do you think they would?
Of course they would
Israel has the ability to kill millions and they dont, they actually go to length's never seen in history to avoid civilian deaths even doing the most crazy things like giving warning before striking certain buildings etc
As i said the other day, you people would have been calling to the end of the war with the Nazi's and been against the airstrike's on Germany claiming too many civilians are being killed.
Only a complete fuckwitt would try to claim about 25,000 civilians killed in a war (the other half are Hamas and Palestine islamic fighters) is somehow the same as 6 million Jews and millions of other's being murdered in things like gas chambers.
The Nazis were the ones that attacked Poland, Hamas also attacked Israel, Russia attacked Ukraine.
If you attack a country and start a war you risk losing a war, and if you are going to turn your whole country into some rats nest of tunnels built for military purposes then you make these military facilties fair targets, same deal with any other civilian infrastructure used by Hamas.
Israel will be like the UK after this war and move on with life and as i said in a better position, but yes Gaza will be like Germany after this war
"Germany faced a period of immense hardship, including occupation by the Allies and subsequent division into West and East Germany. The country underwent significant political, economic, and social transformations, including demilitarization, denazification, and the eventual economic recovery of West Germany. "
Although Nazi ideology pretty much died, but sadly Jihadism will not be going anywhere, maybe the best we can ever hope for is the fall of the Islamic rebuplic of Iran and for countries to follow in the footsteps of countries like Saudi Arabia not perfect but better.
The point I'm trying to make is that Germany's WW2 atrocities haunted that country for some time after the fact. Israel is facing that same dilemma now which is not a good position to be in going forward for a country and it's standing in a civilised world. You probably don't agree with that judging by your views, but believe me, you and everyone else that sits back and celebrates what is happening in Gaza are just as bad as those that celebrated the 9/11 attacks and the 7th October attacks, and you will be on the wrong side of history.
The most telling part is I didn’t even write anything. Yet @lowinfo has insisted in gracing us with 3 essays defending himself against his own hypocrisy laden post. Oh the hilarity.
@Indo, this point you keep raising about Muslim collaboration with Nazi Germany.
Firstly, google Godwin's Law.
Secondly, Muslims also fought alongside the Allies, in the Red Army and particularly under British command during WW2.
Thirdly, the Axis powers included Italy and Japan, and were joined by occupied Bulgaria, Croatia, Romania, Slovakia and Hungary, and the Vichy French.
The USSR was also allied to the Nazis under the Pact of Steel and provided resources and arms to the Nazis prior to Operation Barbarossa.
Do they all share this jihadist ideology? Or did they?
Maybe you need to stop cherry picking history to try to justify present day war crimes and war criminals.
History, religion, and who collaborated with Nazi Germany has fuck all to do with it.
Start at the proposition that Palestinians have the same human rights as Israelis, that war crimes are war crimes no matter who is the perpetrator or the victim, and that the war crimes committed by Hamas on Oct. 7 or Israel's claimed right of self defence cannot be used to justify further war crimes by Israel in Gaza.
It's not a footy match where you take sides and ignore the rights of one side or the other.
Again, Palestinians have the same human rights as Israelis, as we all have.
Stop dehumanising them and blaming Hamas or Oct.7 for the slaughter, displacement, starvation and targeting of civilian non combatants. Defenseless civilian non combatants.
They are protected at law, just as the victims of Oct.7 were and are.
Learn about that law.
And stop bringing WW2 and the Nazis up as some kind of justification for your own warped ideology, Israel didn't even exist then.
(And they rigged the public vote at Eurovision btw).
adam12 wrote:@Indo, this point you keep raising about Muslim collaboration with Nazi Germany.
Firstly, google Godwin's Law.
Secondly, Muslims also fought alongside the Allies, in the Red Army and particularly under British command during WW2.
Thirdly, the Axis powers included Italy and Japan, and were joined by occupied Bulgaria, Croatia, Romania, Slovakia and Hungary, and the Vichy French.
The USSR was also allied to the Nazis under the Pact of Steel and provided resources and arms to the Nazis prior to Operation Barbarossa.
Do they all share this jihadist ideology? Or did they?Maybe you need to stop cherry picking history to try to justify present day war crimes and war criminals.
History, religion, and who collaborated with Nazi Germany has fuck all to do with it.
Start at the proposition that Palestinians have the same human rights as Israelis, that war crimes are war crimes no matter who is the perpetrator or the victim, and that the war crimes committed by Hamas on Oct. 7 or Israel's claimed right of self defence cannot be used to justify further war crimes by Israel in Gaza.
It's not a footy match where you take sides and ignore the rights of one side or the other.Again, Palestinians have the same human rights as Israelis, as we all have.
Stop dehumanising them and blaming Hamas or Oct.7 for the slaughter, displacement, starvation and targeting of civilian non combatants. Defenseless civilian non combatants.
They are protected at law, just as the victims of Oct.7 were and are.
Learn about that law.
And stop bringing WW2 and the Nazis up as some kind of justification for your own warped ideology, Israel didn't even exist then.(And they rigged the public vote at Eurovision btw).
The point is fuck witts like Gary always try to make out Jews or Israel to be Nazis without even knowing the history and the obvious similarities between the two, they try to do this because it's the lowest shot they can take, it's aim is to hurt Jews and Israel as much as possible.
When in reality its a kind of projection
Ha ha yeah of course they rigged the public vote, the Jews rule the world.
Nah mate you and others are in a minority, you are nutters that hate Jews, hate Israel and tread this very fuzzy line of who and what you support, but this isnt the wider reality most people support Israel and the Jewish people and understand the challenge's they are up against fighting Jihadist on a number of fronts.
BTW. Its funny that you never talk about the endless war crimes of Hamas, but claim anything Israel does is a war crime
Wow, with that last sentence you really are off the planet Indo.
Gone full retard.
Go play on the train tracks info
@info”Nah mate you and others are in a minority, you are nutters that hate Jews, hate Israel and tread this very fuzzy line of who and what you support, but this isnt the wider reality most people support Israel and the Jewish people and understand the challenge's they are up against fighting Jihadist on a number of fronts.”
Apparently you’re getting the wrong INFO-mation. Dorkus Malorkus.
https://time.com/6559293/morning-consult-israel-global-opinion/
Just a few global stats.
soggydog wrote:@info”Nah mate you and others are in a minority, you are nutters that hate Jews, hate Israel and tread this very fuzzy line of who and what you support, but this isnt the wider reality most people support Israel and the Jewish people and understand the challenge's they are up against fighting Jihadist on a number of fronts.”
Apparently you’re getting the wrong INFO-mation. Dorkus Malorkus.
https://time.com/6559293/morning-consult-israel-global-opinion/
Just a few global stats.
Well that should make you happy hey
The guy that called Hamas "freedom fighters"
You are complete trash
Never read anywhere here people expressing a hate of Jews or Israel.
Critical of what the State of Israel is doing, yes.
But anyone with a brain and a heart is being Critical, and to be frank, sickened.
What are you missing Indo, one of them or both?
At least eleven countries, including Jordan, Bahrain, Turkey, Bolivia, Colombia, Honduras, Chile, Belize, Brazil, South Africa and Chad, have recalled their ambassadors to Israel or severed ties altogether.
And let's not forget the ICC's arrest warrants.
It really seems like you might be missing something Indo.
Hey @low-no-info, what Zionist arse-licking AI website are you relying on to spread your hateful anti Palestinian racist propaganda?
…. and you have the audacity, no complete utter brain dead stupidity, to accuse others here of not understanding history when you need to use AI.
#racistcarnt
Don’t let any global stats (facts) get in the way of the noinfo bs train
- all aboard!
Toot toot hahaha
& a subtle reminder for the ‘history’ buffs ;)
?si=6p1H8PhTbbjnwuq5 Wow! Coonts in cahoots.
how astoundingly good is Dan Castellaneta? far out..
Haha …the golden age
I hope he voices the golden dome system
The most amazing and beautiful ballistic interceptor …ever
GuySmiley wrote:Hey @low-no-info, what Zionist arse-licking AI website are you relying on to spread your hateful anti Palestinian racist propaganda?
…. and you have the audacity, no complete utter brain dead stupidity, to accuse others here of not understanding history when you need to use AI.#racistcarnt
CBF pointing out @genocide_dreaming's use of AI earlier. Anyone who noticed correct grammar in one full paragraph woulda clued onto that. Still funny, however. What a repugnant pos this lad is. It'd be nice if he addressed this:
Hiccups wrote:By indo's rationale, Indigenous Australians should be able to, with the help of the American war machine, arm themselves to the teeth and bomb the living daylights out out of every man woman in Australia that is a descendant of British Colonisation.
but he won't, cos he thinks I'm a troll who hates Jews, cos he's as thick as pig shit.
@loinfo”You are complete trash”
And you support ethnic cleansing and genocidal war criminals.
We’re not even.
basesix wrote:how astoundingly good is Dan Castellaneta? far out..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eF2bimo5yQ
Ha US foreign policy explained.
Seriously though it’s disturbing but not surprising what went on in that clip teary posted. Far out, sacrificing their own to continue their meddling in the Middle East
I think you're right Indo, there's no way to get through to these people. They're not open to reason or civil debate or discussion.
I actually don't think they realise that they have no independent thoughts of their own, but are just regurgitating the stock standard neomarxist leftism that universities are indoctrinating and brainwashing the population with nowadays.
We're living in a very strange world now. Something happened in the early 2010s. I noticed colleagues and students on campus suddenly, seemingly overnight, went from totally normal and reasonable people interested in their work, with posters about their research on the doors of their offices, etc, to suddenly being completely brainwashed and indoctrinated by militant progressivism.
The people they previously were vanished. There was no longer anyone home. They were incapable of having a basic conversation, let alone accept and discuss views that differed from their own. They became unreachable.
They took down all their posters about their research and put up the rainbow, indigenous and Hamas Islamic terrorism posters. They became activists for homosexuality and trans, for Islamism, for an imminent apocalyptic climate catastrophe, for preferential treatment of indigenous people, etc. They were no longer human beings capable of functioning independently and rationally. They became identified with and inseparable from leftist ideology - it was their whole identity. They became oceans apart from the decent people they previously were.
I can see why they call it a mind virus. It's definitely contagious. It swept through my friends and colleagues, and most of the student body, like a virus. I caught it for a while until I realised what was going on around me. But it seems incurable in most people.
The Jews didn't invade Germany and slaughter German people like Hamas did on October 7. The main parallel between Nazi Germany and today is Hitler's Germany caught the socialist victim mentality mind virus - in this case German society was supposedly victim to the Jews.
I did something quite fascinating the other day. I watched those amazing AI translations of Hitler's speeches, so you could watch him give them in realtime but in English, with a German accent. It confirmed to me the parallel between Hitler's socialist victim mentality Nazi Germany and today's victim mentality socialist progressivism.
But there was something much more startling that stood out. What I was most taken aback by when I was watching the videos was when I looked to the crowd of German people. What I saw was the same look in their eye and same brainwashing and unconscious indoctrination of the people in these forums, of my colleagues and previous friends on campus, and of the student body.
The same brainwashing that took place in Hitler's Germany has now taken place in our times. The population has been infected by some kind of mind virus that they can't seem to see or notice, even when it is pointed out to them.
They inaccessible and unreachable, not open to reason or civil debate and discussion. They're no longer human. They're just brainwashed and indoctrinated zombies like the people of Hitler's Germany were.
They're worlds apart from sanity and reality.
You're a decent person Indo but yes, arguing with these people is like arguing with the brainwashed population of Nazi Germany.
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