Vaccinate or not
I thought it was 2000 ;) jelly wink
My sister is an immunologist too. She's shifted her viewpoint significantly over the last few months as more studies come to light. Even above these posts there are links to 2 studies both published in the same journal one with nearly 9 million Italians followed and pointing out significant differences in neurological conditions post vaccine and one Australian study with 33 participants saying all is good and nothing to see. I've sent her many studies and links to get her view and she refutes lots but in recent times she's come around to the fact there's a possible problem. She won't get another vax herself either. I also have a mate who's a senior ED doctor in a major hospital and I've been querying him about how come I've had so many people around me either sucomb to heart issues or cancer in recent times and he's just suggested i'm unlucky. Maybe so but I put it to him that why isn't data being collected on the vax status of every patient? Easy to then work out if there's any change. He said it is being collected and my response to that is why isn't it publicly available? He couldn't answer that. Conspiracies arise when data us with held. If there's nothing in it then release the data. TBB has a good crack at data but its hard to find in Australia and NZ. But these studies are now coming out around the world and it certainly looks like something that needs more investigation
The data is all around us. All but a poopteenth had no negative affects at all.
That’s not to say some did not have bad outcomes.
It’s always been that way with vaccines as with bee stings, peanut butter etc etc.
I still think the reaction to Covid was absolute bullshit.
seeds wrote:It is important for your mate. Your mate should get real and do what he has to do now to look after himself. I hope he does.
While he is mid age he is/was otherwise a very low risk for heart attack, non smoker, rarely drinks days of partying and drugs behind him, not at all overweight an otherwise fit and healthy guy, (no idea on related family medical history) Im sure he now has it's all monitored and doing what is needed, very responsible smart family man.
BTW. other comments saying it's misinformation is garbage, i was never saying his view is correct it's just his view on his own body.
And if any of us were in his situation and had the first vax with no issues, second vax with a bad reaction and then had a heart attack not long after i think we too would be thinking this seems like a bit of a coincidence.
Like you kinda said above in different words vaccines all come with a small risk like many things in life, for all we know he might have already had an issue arising like narrowing of arteries etc and the then the vaccine was that little thing that put that extra strain on his heart.
We will never know.
I got the first vax and boaster and have no regrets in doing so, although if covid blew up again and they started wanting us to take it again, id probably just skip it unless needed to get into Indo, its easy now to look back and say it was an over reaction etc, but i guess at the time we were dealing with so many unknown's.
"other comments saying it's misinformation is garbage, i was never saying his view is correct "
Haha, fucking hell indo you've clearly gone to the LNP/ Sky News school of slimy language.
AndyM wrote:"other comments saying it's misinformation is garbage, i was never saying his view is correct "
Haha, fucking hell indo you've clearly gone to the LNP/ Sky News school of slimy language.
Fkn amazing isn't it, the state of it is incredible.
poo-man wrote:My sister is an immunologist too. She's shifted her viewpoint significantly over the last few months as more studies come to light. Even above these posts there are links to 2 studies both published in the same journal one with nearly 9 million Italians followed and pointing out significant differences in neurological conditions post vaccine and one Australian study with 33 participants saying all is good and nothing to see. I've sent her many studies and links to get her view and she refutes lots but in recent times she's come around to the fact there's a possible problem. She won't get another vax herself either. I also have a mate who's a senior ED doctor in a major hospital and I've been querying him about how come I've had so many people around me either sucomb to heart issues or cancer in recent times and he's just suggested i'm unlucky. Maybe so but I put it to him that why isn't data being collected on the vax status of every patient? Easy to then work out if there's any change. He said it is being collected and my response to that is why isn't it publicly available? He couldn't answer that. Conspiracies arise when data us with held. If there's nothing in it then release the data. TBB has a good crack at data but its hard to find in Australia and NZ. But these studies are now coming out around the world and it certainly looks like something that needs more investigation
The pharmaceutical companies make billions out of the. medicines they develop,
They also have to pay billions for the harm that they may cause.
You should rely on how you or others might feel after a vaccination , not some vested interest , mythical , studies somewhere down the track .
Moonah wrote:AndyM wrote:"other comments saying it's misinformation is garbage, i was never saying his view is correct "
Haha, fucking hell indo you've clearly gone to the LNP/ Sky News school of slimy language.
Fkn amazing isn't it, the state of it is incredible.
Both of you kunts can go get fucked especially you Moonah you trolling low life, you are just trying to stir up shit.
My views on covid and vaccines are very moderate, as i said im double vaxed and would do it again and it was LNP who rolled out the vax program.
While many of the people here that were against the vax or into alternative treatments were lefties like Southern raw and Supa.
My friends view is also not that out there considering his personal experience, like i said if any of us had a heart attack not long after a bad reaction to the second vax we would also possibly have a similar view point.
@info, you describe your friend as having scars up his arms ^^ following his surgery after his heart attack. Clearly then he has had a bypass of some sort which means his arteries must have been blocked which in turn caused his heart attack. Blocked or narrowing of the arteries is a mechanical thing caused by a life time of too much cholesterol in your blood either from a poor diet or your bad luck DNA profile. So, if your friend truely believes his Covid shot caused his heart attack he is a dickhead and is clearly not listening to his doctors. Full stop.
BTW: having too much cholesterol in your blood is NOT an old person's illness. For most people it's a lifetime of poor eating and can cause issues for people in their 20's-30's as proven from the thousands of autopsies carried out on dead US servicemen and women in those (illegal) Middle East and Afghanistan wars. So much so many AU doctors recommend a Calcium Score Test for all people over 40 years and especially so if there is a family history of heart disease. Don't believe me do your resurchin!
“ While many of the people here that were against the vax or into alternative treatments were lefties like Southern raw and Supa. “ ………I wasn’t against vaccination & had a double shot of AZ , mainly so I could travel when the doors opened . I was against people being given little choice when it came to their jobs , particularly nurses, police, firefighters, teachers etc etc . I was sceptical from the beginning about mRNA vaccines mainly after listening to Professor Nikkali Petrovsky who was largely ignored by the government and was one of the first to say C19 was from a lab . Here’s a guy that over the years has received over 50 million in grants from the NIH into vaccine development yet had to go to Iran to get his vaccine funded. I also hoped that I was wrong about mRNA , and that it was the future in vaccine development. It’s clearly not a one size fits all fix and the doctor patient relationship was overruled by the Australian government who should hang their heads in shame . Labor backed what the LNP were doing. Professor Borody also being shamed and shunned was really suss . I don’t go with the theory that “ we were in uncharted waters “ if you look at Professor Clancy video I put up at the beginning, history was repeating itself with how the media responded.
indo-dreaming wrote:Moonah wrote:AndyM wrote:"other comments saying it's misinformation is garbage, i was never saying his view is correct "
Haha, fucking hell indo you've clearly gone to the LNP/ Sky News school of slimy language.
Fkn amazing isn't it, the state of it is incredible.
Both of you kunts can go get fucked especially you Moonah you trolling low life, you are just trying to stir up shit.
My views on covid and vaccines are very moderate, as i said im double vaxed and would do it again and it was LNP who rolled out the vax program.
While many of the people here that were against the vax or into alternative treatments were lefties like Southern raw and Supa.
My friends view is also not that out there considering his personal experience, like i said if any of us had a heart attack not long after a bad reaction to the second vax we would also possibly have a similar view point.
Indo you dirty little worm, you started your post with "Seems that heart thing from vax might be real" and now, no surprise, you're squirming back away from it with cries of "oh it was just my friend's opinion".
Don't worry, everyone knows you're a troll and a bullshit artist.
I’m not a low life @indo-dreaming or a troll I just find it incredible how from one day to the next you constantly confirm what an ill-bred simpleton you are with an outlook on life that varies from menacing and unpleasant to plain idiotic.
AndyM wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Moonah wrote:AndyM wrote:"other comments saying it's misinformation is garbage, i was never saying his view is correct "
Haha, fucking hell indo you've clearly gone to the LNP/ Sky News school of slimy language.
Fkn amazing isn't it, the state of it is incredible.
Both of you kunts can go get fucked especially you Moonah you trolling low life, you are just trying to stir up shit.
My views on covid and vaccines are very moderate, as i said im double vaxed and would do it again and it was LNP who rolled out the vax program.
While many of the people here that were against the vax or into alternative treatments were lefties like Southern raw and Supa.
My friends view is also not that out there considering his personal experience, like i said if any of us had a heart attack not long after a bad reaction to the second vax we would also possibly have a similar view point.
Indo you dirty little worm, you started your post with "Seems that heart thing from vax might be real" and now, no surprise, you're squirming back away from it with cries of "oh it was just my friend's opinion".
Don't worry, everyone knows you're a troll and a bullshit artist.
Ha ha im the dirty worm?
You just didn't need to start this crap to begin with and then somehow bringing LNP or Sky news into things, just stirring up pointless shit over a nothing post
I said
"Seems that heart thing from vax might be real, my mate had a heart attack not long after his second vax, swears it was related."
And posted a video from a fairly main stream outlet
And yes there does seem to be links to heart issues with some of the vax's that is fact. (rare yes but still real)
Even our government website now has info on it
https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/covid-19-vaccines/advice-for-provider...).
@ Moonah
Mate you are clearly not interested in actual discussion or conversation you just throw in little snipes, smart arse comments and insults from the sideline, that is 100% trolling and you do it time after time directed at me...why bother?
@ Guy
Yeah fair call it's rare but i agree with you and thanks for the civil reply, Udu made that point and i replied agreeing with him, but you also have to wonder if its possible if he had the issue sitting there like a ticking time bomb and then he was one of those rare people that do get Myocarditis or pericarditis from the vax and it acted as a trigger for a heart attack.
But yes even if this was the case, you would expect he would have had issues at some stage it was more just a matter of time.
@ Supa
You were fully into the ivermectin thing and not 100% on board or critical with many things around covid, and im not saying that as an insult or dissing you even if i didnt agree with you.
To be honest i respect the fact that you and say Southern raw took different views on things and didn't just jump on board with your views based on ideology.
Indo I would have thought by now you would expect to be called out on your garbage.
And you're too much of a troll to not realise you're throwing bullshit out there.
So what exactly was garbage or bullshit?
"Seems that heart thing from vax might be real" (not garbage/bullshit even confirmed on Aus government website )
"my mate had a heart attack not long after his second vax, swears it was related." (also not garbage/bullshit it happened to him and that's his view and if you think im making it up, well great whatever but im not)
Was the video garbage/bulshit?...no
None of it was garbage/bullshit
And just because i share a different view with you on issues, doesn't mean im trolling.
I didnt share the video for a reaction, i shared it because it popped up and seemed interesting.
Honestly I didn't know that the whole heart thing was generally accepted as fact now, when i last heard of it during the last period of covid times it was all just hearsay.
Anyway i honestly didn't expect any reaction and wouldn't have even commented anything with the video if i knew that this was the reaction id get.
Moonah wrote:I’m not a low life @indo-dreaming or a troll I just find it incredible how from one day to the next you constantly confirm what an ill-bred simpleton you are with an outlook on life that varies from menacing and unpleasant to plain idiotic.
Great response. Like your work.
^^yes seems legit Richard
"Seems that heart thing from vax might be real" (not garbage/bullshit even confirmed on Aus government website )
Got a link for that Indo?
I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?