Surfer Taken By Shark In South Australia
A search is continuing this morning after reports a 28-year old surfer from Port Lincoln was taken by a shark off the Eyre Peninsula.
Emergency services were called to Granites, south-west of Streaky Bay, just after 7pm following reports of a surfer being taken by a shark. South Australian Police and State Emergency Services immediately began searching the water in the fading light.
At approximtaely midday yesterday, Streaky Bay surfer and fisher Jeff Schmucker posted a warning on Instagram:
"Heads up to all surfers at Granites today.
"There is a large aggressive Great White very close to Granites/Indicators."
The informal warning apparently had little effect on holiday crowds with many surfers remaining in the water at Granites.
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Tragic news. RIP mate.
Horrible... condolences to his family.
Saw that post from Jeff and thought please no. Deepest condolences
Yeah, I saw Jeff's post earlier and now this. So tragic.
just no good. RIP, young man.
Thoughts with his loved ones.
A well as those of Tod, Khai,
and those living with the ridiculous loss
of champions who loved surfing in SA waters.
Saw the local community's tribute today. Very moving and powerful imagery of a beautiful place.
Nature itself is still most powerful.
Condolences to family and local crew, the whole coast is rocked.
Sad news, been a ruff run for the west coast the past year or so. RIP way to young
RIP mate.
Devastating. And following the recent attacks it will really rattle the community. Sending out love to the friends, family and those who witnessed and also helped along with the greater South Oz surfing community. It's quite small and tight knit.
Sad news, R.I.P. & condolences to his family & close friends.
Appalling way to die it is... godspeed young man.
Strange how Victoria hasn't had a fatal attack since 1956'. Maybe something is attracting them to South Australian waters? Mmm..
like what?
Cage diving.
Ahh ok. No worries. Thanks for that.
Just heard lots of sirens here in Lennox, right as I read this again. Hopefully just a cat up a tree.
They're around. My grom got out of the water at Dbah last night after a 3-4m Noah cruised through the pack
R.I.P mate
Its possible its the same shark as the last attack or even other attacks in this area .
We roll the dice in SA in that area especially , such bad luck, awful , surfed it just after the last fatal, spooked surfers everywhere, then a few weeks before this attack, 2 seals one big, hanging around the boil, dolphins and fish everywhere, big salmon still around, saw one at cunns before coming to granites, 4 out, we all went straight in after the seals came in, , really feel for the family and community, how do you recover from this one..
Shooking news so sad RIP, my condolences to family and friends.
Sad news…again…I’m sure life was better when a pro fisherman had the legal right to put a bullet in a dangerous aggressive looking shark….rather than just trying somehow to warn everyone.
The pros can tell a bad one when they see it…..I’m into marine protection but not to that level.
well put.
100% human life over sharks
I've always been anti cull, but I have to agree with you on this mate
stereo typical response from a god botherer!! Just kill it !!
Maybe you could put a bullet into any horses, cows, dogs or kangaroos that look a bit uppity while you’re at it. They kill way more humans than any sharks… and thank fuck we don’t have any hippos.
From 2001 to 2017 there has been 37 deaths attributed to kangaroos, 100% of them are vehicle accidents.
82 deaths from cattle with 42 from direct contact with the cattle, the rest car accidents. If you consider the human cattle exposure, 7.7 million cattle a year are slaughtered in Australia which would take minimum of 6 human interaction per animal that is a total of 46.2 million interactions per year. 785 million interactions over the 17 years. 1 in 19 million chance of getting killed by a cow.
How many shark human interactions for the 27 shark deaths?
I would guess if you have had 5 GWS interactions the chances are your next one could be your last.
Agreed
We know the risks here in SA as a surfer, but enough is enough. They are not endangered!! Condolences to everyone involved. RIP
I remember surfing it 40 years ago at daybreak by myself. Really good waves, but I was so thankful when the local guys came out to join me. Spooky spot to surf alone. Could never stomach surfing alone at Blackfellows, even though it was good.
Blacks is spooky. Especially when your leggy snaps and you have to swim in through that black water between the break and the beach to retrieve your board.
Terrible news, Condolences to the family
Tragic news , just horrible.
Really sorry to hear. My thoughts go out to his family and all of the Streaky / West Coast community. Also his people on the Tweed Coast where I believe he currently lived.
That’s 4 fatal in 18 months in SA.
He was from Streaky and just moved to Lincoln recently
Sad news.
There's something about stories like this that feel like a real gut punch when you hear it. So heavy.
Thoughts with family and friends.
I wonder what Jeff observed in the sharks behaviour before he posted his warning.
That’s freaky he posted that just hours before the attack.
Shark reporting in SA
Ring 131444, SA Police Emergency.
Posting messages on socials doesn't close beaches nor does it get to everyone that knows.
RIP mate
There's been so many over the last couple of decades its almost become normalised now, shark attacks dramatically increased after the 1992' Rio UN Earth Summit. Before 1992' it was pretty rare. Michael Docherty was the first slaughtered by the Great White shark after that Rio moment in 92'. I read an account years ago of his death that was hard to forget. Tore him to shreds and dragged his remains around the lineup by his legrope. Sorry but its a grim reality. Maybe Humans are regarded as a liability since then. An acceptable loss.
Maybe the desk jockey 'con$ervationists' can have another 'shark summit' and talk about it some more, maybe eat some cake and celebrate their many 'achievements' this last few decades.
The 3 minute mark here below is quite interesting regarding shark advocacy' value on us Humans. CONservationists that don't even use the ocean.
Streaky Bay hospital holds 2 units of type 0 blood - 900ml.
The average human holds around 5.5l.
Your chances of survival with any major blood loss at a remote spot like granites is low. And that assumes there is a doctor available!
The Rio Earth Summit addressed all shark species - 530 of them, many of which were on the brink of extinction due to shark finning and over-fishing - not just the 3 species known to attack humans. The summit laid groundwork for policies that would help developing nations without the means to regulate or police their waters. On the balance it's been a great success; many achievements and maybe another one is due.
Not sure why you're linking Michael Docherty's death with the Rio Summit. It happened just four months later so there was zero change in place, and in fact nothing did change in Australia till seven years after Rio.
Very well put Stu. As hard as it may be to swallow, sharks place is in the ocean. They're a valuable part of the ecosystem . I definitely would be terrified if I had an encounter & the thought of anyone being bitten/ taken is abhorrent but at the end of the day it's their domain, not ours
Brutal. RIP.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-03/sa-shark-attack-victim-named-as-l...
RIP felt so sad when I heard last night. Drove past the day beforehand coming from further afield, water felt really warm.
https://substack.com/inbox/post/154058128?publication_id=2906249&post_id...
Holy...opinions aside, that is one terribly written article. Is that ChatGPT?
Pawle comes across terribly, like an undergrad student who's been asked to write a polemic purely for the purpose of outrage.
And the fella hasn't even had a cursory glance at a map.
Don't want to sound like I'm making a flippant comment, but I can't help but wonder how big this shark was to have nothing (at this stage) left to find.
If indeed it was that big, I can honestly hope that it was very quick.
Sincere condolences.
3rd attack where they have not been able to recover a body- which adds distress to the family to the attack.
the certitude in Lance's situation the same as Tod Gendle's.. same big female schmucks wasn't allowed to exit just over a year ago..?
I am so very sorry to read this. As has been said, hits like a gut punch, even all the way across the world, here. Condolences and love to whole community.
So sad to hear RIP, Even in West OZ they don't "seem" to eat the entire casualty like what's become the norm in SA.
One big rouge resident shark ?
Had planned my first SA camp/surf trip for this Autumn, hope there's enough crew around to avoid chickening out on perfect solo sessions .
- Even in West OZ they don't "seem" to eat the entire casualty like what's become the norm in SA-
Around 70 % W.A. Attacks have been Fully Consumed
people can argue all they like about culling but time and time again the victims families do not advocate for it
It’s well known that prior to the current shark obsession by conversationists to fight the “primitive” “jaws” view of whites, and the related dissemination of the fake perception that whites are endangered, that surfers were much safer in SA. That’s because shark fishing was the popular sport, rather than cage diving. The reality is and it has been well documented that the cage diving industry has encouraged aggressive shark behaviour and the associated lack of predatory behaviour by us humans has seen the risk to surfers spiral out of control.
As a well known senior policeman quietly said to me once during a nasty spate of attacks, Sharks are just big fish. There’s nothing wrong with fishing them.
Its simply called FISHING. The words 'culling' and 'killing' invoke a feminine emotional and hysterical response instead of a common sense logical response. We see that elsewhere in this forum. Its a mildy clever method of hiding the truth with Logical Fallacies and such. Its infantile and pathetic. Ambiguity is the fortress of heretics.
Colin Ostle former Fisheries Officer stated in The West Australian 'newspaper' in 2015: "The Great White should never have been afforded protection" so Lance Appleby and many many more should still be here. Enjoying their new year, getting ready for work.. or school as Khai Cowley would be. Too late now.
The 'results' of shark 'conservation' this last few decades are there for all to see now. No hiding it. Their 'achievements' are dead kids.
https://hakaimagazine.com/news/nine-out-ten-shark-scientists-agree-susta...
Mate, stop exploiting sadness and death.
People were killed by sharks before governments intervened - when the shark population was ostensibly 'in balance' - and as long as Whites, Tigers, and Bulls exist on the Earth, people will unfortunately be taken by them.
Saying certain people "would still be here" is manipulative and emotive. Some might, others wouldn't.
A frank talk about culling is timely but spare us the juvenile idiocy.
Just the truth snowflake ifu don't like it move on.
The only truth is that you're posting opinion, Dick Cheese.
P'raps you don't understand the difference?
I stand by the comments.. they should still be here. Its self-evident. The GW was not endangered this has been established by many over the years. They should still be here. Its quite simple.
Don't you think you're projecting by suggesting these specific attacks wouldn't have occurred if there was an open season on whites? You have no way of knowing that at all, and Stu is right to point it out as exploitative. In any case, the GWS isn't listed as endangered. It's listed as vulnerable to extinction.
P.S "feminine emotional and hysterical response instead of a common sense logical response"... ?? Could you please pull yourself together. This is embarrassing stuff in 2025. Grow up.
Well said dandandan
Like / agreed.
Stand in the carpark at granites and look out to the horizon, then look at the channel that you paddle back out, paddle that channel.. then look at the schools of fish swimming past, the seals in the channel, then travel the south australia coastline kilometers off empty coast line.. stop at cactus walk around the cliffs ...its quite simple they should be here?? .. what are you on about..
Imagine the outcry if you threw meat on a rope at a pack of dingoes or burleighed them up with some roo mince on the beach so some paying tourists can take some photos ..Youd be publicly raped by the media then stoned to death by 10000 do gooders . But its alright with sharks ..?
Exactly and well said. Shark cage diving must end NOW.
I read an article from the upper west coast of the USA a few years ago and the 'journalist' stated this: "While eating lunch at the back of the boat I kept a watchful eye on the surfboard we pulling behind the boat. Chumming for Great Whites with blood or fish parts is illegal in California, so the Golden Gate Expeditions crew troll for Great Whites with a surfboard, which, according to theory, the sharks mistake for seals" The picture that accompanied the article is of that same 'journalist' with 2 halves of a nice tri-fin shattered with many big attack marks. I could post that image here but I am not sure how to upload images... can someone explain how to upload images please.
The assertions of Mr Cheese & Fred Pawle that removing protections for GWS means that specific deaths would have been avoided are absolute rubbish. No-one can possibly know if removing a few big sharks in one area would have stopped those particular attacks. Sharks travel vast distances to hunt, patrol territory & mate. Not to be flippant, but I haven’t seen any sharks walking around on land. All ocean users understand the real danger associated with entering an apex predator’s environment - presumably including all who have tragically perished. If you can’t accept the (infinitesimal) risk that you may die while surfing in the jaws of a shark, best to stay on Terra Firma.
Well said.
The old "if you don't accept the risk stay on land" line. That's not a particularly insightful or intelligent statement because every time one of us enters the water we accept the risk, otherwise we would never surf. The question is whether a species that appears to be thriving and is responsible for many deaths deserves protected status?
Well said.
Smorto, thanks for that kind assessment of my intelligence. The point is there is only one way to totally remove the risk of shark attack when surfing - don’t surf or surf exclusively in a wave pool. I’m no uber-greenie, but I do have a problem with the overly-simplistic anthropo-centric angle presented by Cheesy & Pawle. “Shark kills humans, so humans kill sharks - problem solved”. What about the shark’s food chain & their place in it? Knock-on effects of removing large numbers of them from their environment? I believe a human life is worth more than a shark’s but how many sharks do you kill, where & over what time-frame? How much does the risk of attack or death diminish based on a cull? How can anyone possibly know? Who is going to lobby the Government to change the current legislation? You? Control is the real issue here - humans like Fred Pawle want to feel like they are in control of the ocean & whatever lives in it so they can feel safer when surfing. You & I have a better chance of getting spat out of an 8ft Pipe barrel than mankind does of controlling the sea & the wild animals that live in it.
On the subject of risk around 1,200 people are killed each year on Australia's roads and about 40,000 are seriously injured. I don't really have anything to say about that other than it's curious how we all get in our cars and drive off into the sunset.
The old road deaths comparison, yep we take that risk driving but our government spends billions on road safety. If there was a faulty car design that killed as many people a year as shark attacks there would be an enquiry and the design would be banned.
Yet we can't consider possibly allowing for a small number of fish to be killed?
If the shark can be identified then I think they should be allowed to kill it especially to retrieve the victim of an attack for the family's closure. I guess the issue with that is how to identify the shark and how many is enough.
Having lost someone to car accident and being seriously injured myself I just think it's a riskier activity. I still drive. I still surf.
Possibly , a primitive deep rooted fear of being eaten?
Awful. Sincere condolences to all who knew or loved Lance.
I surfed the spot once and felt very fortunate to have done so. One of the very rare occaisions in my surfing life I was very grateful for the company of another surfer when they joined me.
Look after each other out there everyone
Rest in peace. So heavy.
Full condolensces to the family. Very sad.
Did i hear that the Pointer was getting stuck into the craypots in the very near vicinity prior to the attack?
I'm guessing pots are laid along this stretch of coast on the calmer sea surface days when they can get in closer to the reefs. (days when surf is generally good)?
Is there also any truth to the fact one of the boats that was present at the attack site was also present at the previous fatality at the same break?
Maybe a coincidence.
And agree with above. Posting on social media is ineffective.
This should have been alerted to the authorities if it was acting so aggressively.
Not pointing the finger. Just looking at ways to avoid in future.
It would seem a good location to set some smart drum lines- at a minimum.
Provide a good living for a local contractor, give real time data on white shark populations/seasonal movements and potentially offer a deterrent effect.
I know it's not a foolproof method of reducing risk- nothing is.
But it seems better than all the alternatives, at present.
Not the time to discuss it now, all thoughts for the family and friends.
Hi mate, they tried drumlines in WA when Colin Barnett was Prem but they caught ever other species other than whites, so they flagged it.
Sth Aust needs to create a WA model phone app like 'sharksmart'
And use the ABC to broadcast warning like they do with bushfires.
Rest in Peace.....
It's always so awful every time this happens and it's unfortunately happening a little too consistently of late. As a community we always try to come up with solutions to this problem which is great and it is needed for sure.
I do wonder if over fishing is a reason for more shark activity/encounters with humans? Surely if we are taking away a seals main food source (fish) then that would mean less seal numbers which in turn would reduce a reliable food source for GW's (outside of whale migration seasons) meaning they are more likely to look closer at other food sources?
I do agree with the shark cage theory too and the analogy of the dingoes is perfect.....
My sincere condolences to everyone affected in particular to the family and friends of Lance.
There is heaps more seals around the Southern Ocean coastline now than 30 years ago.
More seals means more whites.
Heaps more people surfing.
More encounters.
RIP brother.
That's what I've noticed mate. Seals on every bit of coastline these days and in large numbers at certain spots.
Yeah makes sense....I had heard of increased seal numbers but am wondering how? Protected also so I guess their numbers can thrive along with GWs which are needed to restore some sort of balance.....
It's just so sad....
Seal numbers should have been expected to increase - they were nearly completely wiped out in many parts of the country. Sealing (as well as whaling) was absolutely critical in the early days of the colony in NSW, SA, Tas and I assume elsewhere as well, and so unimaginable numbers were killed. In SA over a 6 month period between 7-8k seals were kills for skins and oil, with one bloke claiming to have killed almost 1500 himself. In Bass Strait the total Australian Fur Seal population is estimated to be about 80k. Prior to the exploitation by the sealing industry it was estimated to be about 750k. 3 of the species found there were driven to extinction. We are nowhere near the pre-colonial baseline, though given all the changes to ecosystems the concentration of seals in particular areas is obviously a huge issue (I've been writing about whaling recently for a project so I've been reading heaps of this stuff!)
Yep condolences and empathy to family and friends. RIp mate.
My condolences to Lances family and friends. A sad day for all concerned.
RIP.
There is a lot of theories going around but the reality is we just don't know enough about these animals and their behaviours a lot of resarch needs to be done on what triggers these interactions and possible preventive measurements, There is always going to be risk but at the moment it seems the risk is elevated particulary along that coast but Ive always thought that when surfing those waters, definately warrants more research in this area. RIP Lance
Research? There are heaps of them around now,they get hungry&they bite
Australia’s most successful, intentional shark control program has been carried out in Queensland since I believe 1964 and given the huge numbers of aggressive bull sharks, as well as a decent number of tiger and white sharks in southeast Queensland waters it is amazing there have not been more ocean fatalities, on the Gold Coast in particular. You can put that down to the success of that program which makes no bones about what it does. The drum lines are particularly effective.
Yes there has been tragic estuarine shark fatalities but those no longer now the behaviour and habits of bull sharks in such zones is common knowledge and swimmers avoid those areas. But there have been zero fatalities, I believe, except for Nick Slater (RIP). Obviously this incident happened right on the border of a state (NSW) which has a much more benign (albeit improved since 2015) shark program, so you would speculate the shark was likely moving north and had missed the nearest drum line and net. Also compare northern rivers shark fatalities and attacks since 2014 with Queensland to illustrate the point in regions with a near identical climate.
Without that program, Queensland’s tourism industry would not be what it is today.
Yes there has been in recent years a spate of attacks in tropical Queensland, I’d argue the dispersed islands where many of these occurred are harder to a manage a reliable control program. It’s also the case that the huge coastlines of SA and WA make it somewhat impractical or unreliable to do so.
But as a minimum, as FR says, a smart drum line off known or iconic surfing breaks would be a wise investment by the state.
The fact is, surfers are the primary targets of shark attacks in Australia.
I’m all up for being eco conscious and “manning up” but there is no way any parent wants to see their kid ripped in pieces in front of them.
I’m sick of people saying “it’s your choice to take the risk”. It’s not quite like that. We’re surfers, and it is a leisure/therapy lifestyle activity, you don’t just drop it, and we are the primary targets. Don’t people want to have some kind of balanced approach to this? Would you really prefer a shark lives and your son/daughter dies (both have happened)?
People obsess about sharks but they don’t seem to care about all the flora and fauna which is invisible, unseen, which could be just as important (probably more) for the eco system.
I’d like to see the evidence that white sharks in particular are some kind of essential apex predator for the health of the oceans. It’s not like if they disappear we suddenly are at risk of a “plague of seals”.
I’m not saying we kill them all. But I am saying I value human life over a sharks and popular or iconic surfing zones, where practical, should be areas where some kind of active shark management practices are permitted.
It’s a no brainer that we should be trying to limit the number of these tragedies but that doesn’t seem to be the prevailing response to this awful incident.
I live in SA and have surfed for over 45 years at many breaks in Oz and abroad. Been West quite a few times over those years but to be honest with myself I never really felt comfortable in the water there or West Oz because of the shark rep. When the waves were on you forget about it but those lulls sometimes.... These days with the packed lineups (and age) I think I'm done with over there. Although great memories and adventures. RIP.
1962 for the QLD Shark Control program.
1937 for the NSW Shark Meshing Program, now called the Shark Management Program.
Both of these are "culling" programs. That is, they work by fishing and reducing the number of sharks in the vicinity of the nets and drum lines.
I don't believe their effectiveness can be argued against by anyone who looks at the data objectively.
The problem is lethal effects apply to non-target species (bycatch).
As well, of course, to the sharks themselves.
Smart Drum lines have practically zero lethal bycatch and very low mortality for the sharks themselves.
Thanks for clarifying those dates Steve, yes indeed the NSW program based mainly around Sydney I think until after the Byron/Ballina attacks post 2014 has been effective too.
As you say - nets are less effective against sharks but cause far more bycatch, I would argue that drum lines are the best solution, with a smart drum lines bringing another level of environmental responsibility.
WA Gov gave up after 2 yrs using smart drumlines, caught 2 whites in 2 yrs, deemed non effective.
"Of the 311 captures over two years, only two white sharks were caught, along with 266 other types of sharks, and 43 other "non-target" marine animals"
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-12/shark-drumlines-trial-report-rele...
Yeah, I saw that.
Here is the actual report from WA Fisheries on the trial.
They actually caught sharks using targeted tagging during that time frame- maybe that is a better solution for West coast SA.
https://www.fish.wa.gov.au/Documents/occasional_publications/fop140.pdf
I had a look at that attached link freeride, more questions than answers.
WA used the same type of SMART drumline methodology as NSW and NSW had success in capturing whites but no cigar in WA?
Report suggests the 10km location of the drumlines Leeuwin-Naturaliste was perhaps not a natural feeding ground but there acoustic sounding buoys show numerous tagged whites pinging the area?
WA has 300+ acoustic sounding buoys from Ningaloo to Esperance.
SA by comparison is non-existent, once u got past Neptune Island 40 nautical mile Sth of Pt Lincoln that's it no more listening posts I'm told?
SA Gov west of Adelaide handball shark management to SAPOL who then expect SES to go and drop everything and shut down beaches which never happens till a fatality occurs.
It's a broken system, SA needs a Shark watch app, educate public, use ABC radio emergency service broadcasting like they do with bushfires & build acoustic receiver buoys around remote area beaches where surfers & swimmers frequent.
seems like a no brainer , from a data perspective,
something is better than nothing ,
What is the typical bycatch - species and numbers?
It varies between states, areas and methods used.
Drumlines have very low bycatch compared to nets, which have high bycatch.
Basically, anything that swims into the net gets tangled up and dies- sharks, rays, turtles, dolphins etc etc.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/538140/man-dies-in-shar...
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1994176/shark-attack-tourist-killed...
What’s the point of these links Rich?
More humans have died by the hand of humans . It’s the risk we take. Rip
There was a study done in West Oz a few years ago to try to calculate the Western Pointer population which also incorporates the ones that head to SA in summer. (distinct populations separate to each other on East and West Coast, separated by Bass Straight).
They ran a heap of calculations based on empirical fishing bycatch from as far back as 1939 combined with current known data. Obviously plenty of flaws could be found but after running numerous hundreds of data set possibilities based on the above calculations, the eventual conclusion was that Pointer numbers are increasing between 2 and 6 percent per year.
Make of that what you will. Significant? Maybe, when combined with an ever growing human population using the water.
I'd post the link to the study here but it's locked behind academic walls unfortunately. Not sure why this stuff isn't put out into the public.
Also, i noted someone above, maybe @simba posed the question about it being a repeat offender, and i for one certainly subscribe to a similar theory. Thinking about the clusters of attacks over the past couple of decades....Ballina, Margs, Perth Esperance and now Streaky, it's hard not to draw conclusions that there may be one particularly aggressive pointer at each of those locations that has identified it as a place for repeated visitations.
This one really hit home. Such a heavy heart for the friends and family of Lance out there on the West coast.
Btw for anyone with access through an institution, this is the link.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0304380017303447
I've managed to download a pdf of the study so i'll send it through to Stu and if anyone wants a copy he'll be able to send it through.
Yes please, thanks.
Ahh shit i probably put Stu in the hot seat.
You might have to email him and hit him up for it @hamishbro.
Cheers
It's on SciHub, you just need to one of those "I am a human" verification things to access it:
https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/j.ecolmodel.2017.07.024
Cheers @dandandan
Condolences to Lance's family, friends and the West Coast SA community, I am so sorry to hear this news.
RIP that’s tragic and a horror way to go.
As for not far from extinction if an apex predator has been a protected species for donkeys years that BS there in declining numbers . The shark tours burlying up and cage diving couldn’t be good if sharks are looking for boats and get accustomed to it . I take my hat off to surfers down SA trying to block out white sharks to go for a paddle
I think the article below makes a salient point - if sharks were deliberately targeting surfers we'd be stuffed.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/jan/04/as-police-search-for...
Out of Respect how about you Post this Digestion stuff Elsewhere on Site
What happened to Fanning...
A Shark Snapped his Legrope.
Thanks Udo.
Well said.
There's another forum for this and i think many would appreciate this kind of conversation moved to there out of respect to those affected.
My 2cents worth
I’ve talked to plenty of abalone divers out of Flinders who regularly dived known shark locations on the MP and the Island, the stories they tell about 1st hand experiences with GWs are enough to keep you awake at night BUT none talk about the aggression to humans seemingly shown by the GWs in SA and WA … they do suddenly appear above or near the divers and cruise past but that’s it.
Same goes for the 1st hand experiences people I know have had surfing three well known big wave offshore reefs on the MP.
Luck? I don’t know but things that don’t sit well with me about SA especially are: that flawed business of attracting sharks to people in cages; the lack of intervention to a shark hanging around an area and this obscenely horrific thing of not finding any remains.
Personally I think sharks that hang around human structures or activities should be killed, just like feral deer, pigs, horses, rabbits, cats, rats are and the argument about endangered species doesn’t stack up when you look at our treatment of our native species generally or our dingoes in particular.
Only my opinion here …
Putting paying punters in cages and then attracting sharks that then try to eat the people in the cages, because they've been 'turned on' by the smell of fish etc., is asking for trouble in the general vicinity. A flawed (fatally for others) business model imo. But try convincing both the operators and punters of that, as crew have tried to do elsewhere, mostly, if memory serves, without success. That doesn't account for all attacks of course, but it is one factor that could be eliminated. Smart drumlines are another good idea. But also there's a lot more crew surfing these days, and the decades of protection have also likely built up the numbers of whites, certainly the 'subadut' 10-12' critters. So more potential for encounters. Better communication with warning signs at surfbreaks that can be activated via phone call by relevant authorities once warning has been given (who'd 'cry wolf' on that?) and I guess in a decade or so, self-operating AI drones that trigger the warning ... In the meantime, hoping crew stay safe. RIP Lance.
RIP young man :( Condolences to all & thoughts go out to family, friends & community
All this talk of killing sharks, is it the answer ??.. how ..the SA coastline is huge and remote , deep water just to the right of getting off and paddling back out at granites .. are we part of nature and the environment and the eco system? ? or are we from another planet, have two sons in there early twentys who both surf, and drive and go out to rave partys and get drunk at clubs.. l am far more fearful off those places than them going into the ocean , with one punch drunks, doctored party drugs, knives carried all the time, always fearful waiting for the call.. l work in a prison, l know what l fear , haven't controlled that never will,.. surfed that place a month ago, came in after 2 seals came in close to the boil, the whole crew came in, fish every where, tuna schools, salmon ,dolphins,, tragedy for the family and the community and every surfer that surfs that place and SA .
I'm with you man, sadly i think people are much more concerned about shark attack as it seems like a horrific way to go. It's likely that some of those screaming for a shark cull also text and drive, which is far more dangerous (for yourself and others) than surfing.
The historic way of thinking that we're more important than everything else needs to change, look at the damage that thinking has done to the planet already. We need to understand we're part of a system. I would like to see some serious resources pumped into finding shark deterrents.
Not having a go at the cullers, everyone has an opinion and ethics/morals based on their experience in life.
Its sad news for everyone concerned.
A survival part of our brain is hard wired for fight or flight, adrenaline & reaction; no shortage of this tool used in the media & hero movies.
Effective practical solutions require knowledge, reason, logic, wholistic understanding. There is a shortage in the media & elsewhere unless you know how to find and filter information... https://theconversation.com/au
We may have unbalanced the earths ecosystems. Most scientists have been advising Gov't of this situation on earth since reseach & studies began in the 1970's. So they retrenched the scientists, specialists in geology, soils, biology, fisheries, plants, fungi, insects, animals, etc. The specialists that didnt 'retire' had to focus on helping industry. eg. CSIRO focus on Mining, sugarcane, beef, Next Big Thing Ltd., etc The scientists jobs & budget were taken over by PR firms (media marketing) to support the Gov't & industry... sell their message to the public.
Adaptation & skills are needed.
School are now teaching collaboration, if the teachers get the opportunity, in an avalanche of Dept beaucraziness..
https://www.csiro.au/en/news/All/Articles/2024/December/Corrine-Condie-b...
https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/feature-story/global-extinction-risk-shar... NOAA Research Report 6th Dec 2024
We have a lot to learn
This cooperative relationship between fishermen and dolphins in central Myanmar is as intricate as it is rare and has been passed down over generations.
"My first experience was when I joined my father on a fishing trip as a kid," said U Kyi.
"When there were no boats or other noise around, the dolphins would come to us right away."
Win Hte said "community education, particularly for young people, was important despite the country's instability" (ie. Myanmar's military dictatorship).
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-29/myanmar-dolphin-fishermen-partner... ABC report 29th Dec 2024
Condolences to family and friends.
I cant believe Schmucker updated social media with a warning a few hours before this happened. That's insane. I've read a few of the old threads and this guy cops a lot of flack online thats for sure. If a positive to come out of this it's surely that fisherman warnings will be heeded and this will lower the risk.
I swore I wouldn't post on this website again but I'm half pissed I'm going to share my thoughts.
Basically the authorities must be thinking about action. It's a tourism and growth thing also.
Anyway so what about this.
Divide the coast into distinct zones. Say Yorkes, Elliston stretch, Streaky, Nong.
Four licences to kill produced. One for each area.
Licences are paid in advance via crowd
funding initiatives. Licences can only be used at certain breaks. For streaky say you can only use it at Granites. (But you can buy em from other regions).
Anyway so the licences are not cheap and paid for in advance with the proceeds going to shark preservation and research. 4 per year maximum with the goal not to use all the licences but in the event that you get an angry large shark in close vicinity to say Granites or other selected surf break and in addition you got a holiday period with a good forecast coming up.... Well you check all the boxes then the sharks got to go and Jeff cheap as possible so the proceeds go into the research and preservation etc.
Also make it a charity so tax deductable and I'll chuck in about $200. Not even from S.A. Non locals to open wallets perhaps as people from the area have dipped in for this unfortunate man's family legends.
Could be a shit idea, just spit balling.
But for sure maybe no more booting Jeff in the nuts online cunts.
My condolences to the family and friends of this beautiful human it's with deep sadness this life was taken too short. May you rest in peace Lance
I get drunk easily and perhaps shouldn't carry on like I do.
Sympathies with the family, and sorry if I've dragged the tone down there.
GWS spotted by one of the local Groms in SR’s neck of the woods this morning. Swam past and headed out to sea. Stay safe swellnutters.
And condolences to the family and friends of Lance.
For records sake, near flat ocean around the whole SW coast today. Very rare.
Had an eerie feel in the water also. Too quiet.
Cheers SD.
At the “Cliffs” SR
Copy that SD.
You are joking, if that's the place I think you're talking about, I reckon I was surfing there on that day. That's crazy.
Gee I got skunked on my trip your way SR. Couldn't believe after how good the surf had been all December I seemed to be there on the few days the ocean went to sleep. At least some decent swell coming around here now that I'm back on the east coast. Beautiful coastline though surfing this place even at 1-2ft was unreal.
Very sad and tragic news, again.
Society seems happy and willing to regulate when a dog bites a human its classed as a dangerous dog/muzzled/put down. When a dingo bites a camper on Fraser Island its “relocated”. Every snake that enters an area occupied by a human be it venomous or not is instantly relocated.
But when a shark kills a person its a case of “you enter the water at your risk or texting while driving is more dangerous” which may well be true but on balance by comparison to dogs, dingoes and snakes is hardly relevant.
I am shit scared of sharks.
I agree with your comments that the general public seem more fascinated than concerned about shark fatalities.
I am open minded about culling. But that might only have an impact if you wiped out the entire population.
Anyway the point I want to make is the thing that is most dangerous to Aussie men is.....ourselves.
In 2023, poor lifestyle choices leading to heart disease killed over 10,000 of us, suicide - 2500, driving irresponsibly - best part of 800....then you had sharks - 3.
I don't make light of any of these statistics or the victims. But we need to keep some perspective.
Statistically we are thousands of times more likely to kill ourselves, than be killed by a noah. We might be better off focusing on our mental health.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/lance-appleby
Spookey... Some laws & regulations are created when society considers it is necissary to protect the majority; especially children, whom have limited knowledge or understanding.
eg. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1753-6405.12630
You have every right, in Australia, to research and present facts for public discussion, lobby for support & change laws...ATM...
Great post bbBird..
I've digitally graphed the last 100 years of fatal shark attacks here in Australia but don't know how to post the image. If anyone is interested let me know how to post images. It reveals some interesting anomalies that are worth discussion.
Yep the numbers by comparison (dogs v shark bites) in that singular statistical argument is ambit... (Clearly there is no comparison) however the relative mortality rates subsequent to a biting event... is equally non-comparable by the opposing view. There's not too many lions roaming the streets of JBay but plenty of large men in grey suits swimming down the point.
14 January 2025
This is an abbreviated letter, sent today, to the Premier of South Australia.
Dear Premier,
I have been a resident of Streaky Bay for 45 years and a lifelong surfer, having spent decades surfing ‘Granites’ the wave where Lance Appleby was tragically taken by a great white shark.
I mention the above to give background to my observations regarding this tragedy. I believe there are a number of factors that play in the Great White Shark (GWS) attacks on the Western Eyre Peninsula.
1. The proximity of Australian sea lions colonies and the resulting shark populations that target the colonies. Interaction between surfers and seals and sea lions is part of the surfing experience of surfers on the Eyre Peninsula. With this comes shark incidences and make surfers a part of the food chain.
2. The unforeseen change of use of Granites via COVID through social media, particularly instagram. The protected granite rock pools and beach, with easy access via a walkway establishing by the local surfing community many years ago, makes it a non-surfing tourist hot spot, as well as a surfing location. On January 2nd there were an unprecedented number of non-surfing tourists accessing the rock pools, granite shelves and the protected beach. This was combines with a larger number of surfers than usual in the Granites surf zone due to a large swell and perfect conditions for surfing.
3. I believe the overriding reason for the great white shark attack on Mr Appleby is the proliferation of recreational cray pots just beyond the Granites surf zone. The distances the cray pots are set vary from approximately 100 metres, to the very edge of where the wave breaks. This is where the surfers congregate to ride the waves. The granite shelf creates a perfect wave that makes it a local, national and international surf destination. On the day Mr Appleby was taken a great white shark had savaged one of the the cray pots. It is the burley trail from the marine offal bag in the pots that attract sharks. The recreational cray season runs from November to May. The burley is regularly replaced resulting in a permanent amount of marine offal in the water column close to where the surfers are.
The surfers are the Main Resource User of Granites and its surrounding waters. Surfing is a major driver in the Streaky Bay economy. It has a large local population of surfers and their families that live here because of the waves that the area is famous for. Streaky Bay also attracts National and International surfers and is recognised globally as a surf destination. It is clear to the Friends of Sceale Bay that there cannot be both activities at Granites. Every cray pot represents a threat to the surfers. Surf Zones are very specific locations and need regulations to protect them. Cray fishers have an infinite range of places away from surf zones to set their pots. We would like to see appropriate recognition of significant Surf Zones away from any fishing activity that can attract GWS.
The precedent has already been set in the south west of Western Australia, where Special Purpose Zone have been created to recognise and provide for surfing as a priority use, due to its high social and economic value. This was community driven change based on shark interaction with cray pots in these surf zones (see link 1: https://www.change.org/p/hon-colin-barnett-hon-ken-baston-hon-albert-jac...) (see link 2: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https:...).
I believe that it is important to point this out to the Premier, the Minister for Environment and Natural Resources, and also the Minister for Fisheries. Before any mitigation strategies are decided, the surfing community are the ones being lost at Granites to GWS, and must be included in an conversation and decisions moving forward.
Yours sincerely,
Middy
Great work Middy and thanks for sharing.
Great point mate and seems an obvious and very simple and achievable action to reduce the risk.
Let's hope sanity prevails.
A very pragmatic, sensible and reasoned response Middy in what is a very sensitive and emotional time. I hope you have your letter at least acknowledged and even better, that it starts a conversation and action.
Well done Middy, please let us know if you get a reply, Mali seems a man for the common people let hope he acts.
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1DB6MjHgwE/
It’s surprising how often people along that coast, fishing from small boats, report seeing big sharks. With all the fishing and shark reporting FB pages around these days, there’s an almost constant feed of sightings. You can look out from shore all year round and see fishing boats out there. I think the sharks have always been in the gulf, but it’s only since the advent of social media that it appears that there’s more sharks.
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/12F9kcZwpKk/
Its an understandable point of view . But there are some fishermen over there that have gone from "seeing one every few years" to "seeing three or four a year"
It would be interesting to get some idea, even anecdotal stuff, how many pointers used to get taken out of the system by commercial fishers before they were declared protected in the late 90’s
Great post Middy.
I know Mali and he’s a rational / common sense guy and I think would appreciate your suggestion.
Hopefully your letter results in some action.
A couple of weeks ago a white pointer smashed 2 crab nets off the Semaphore jetty, and now this, I think from a boat about 1km offshore from the same beach. Lately I have been approaching my nets very gingerly in my Kayak, and always a long way out and away from swimmers.
The metro jetties are usually packed shoulder to shoulder with dozens of crab nets full of fish guts and fishos tossing out burley nonstop, meters from swimmers.
Strange how there aren't more shark incidents, it's never really been a problem.
Totally agree Middy - have surfed there a bunch of time myself. Plenty of other places for those pots!
Agreed. Seems madness to place them in that location.
Not like there's a shortage of limestone rock shelves along that whole stretch of coastline (islands included).
Great stuff Middy.
Do the commercial guys set gear there?
Does Jeff Schmucker have pots there?
He did say on the day this happened that he was crabbing just a bit further up. Presumably from a boat as there’s no jetty around.
Seal and Sea lion colonies follow the coast from Kangaroo Island to Head of the Bight equals permanent population of GWS tracking the pupping seasons which vary on each Island regarding Australian Sea lions. Surfers almost always surfing in sight of a colony. In regards to Granites it’s Olive Island but includes Nicholas Baudin Island and Pt. Labatt. They are always there and they are Adults not Juveniles found on the East coast which feed on the nearshore sandbar’s chasing bait fish and puts them in close to surfers.