Surfer dies after shark attack near Coffs Harbour

A surfer aged in his 20s has died after being bitten by a shark on the New South Wales North Coast this morning, lifeguards and paramedics say.

Paramedics, including critical care specialists aboard the Westpac Rescue Helicopter, raced to Shelley Beach, at Emerald Beach north of Coffs Harbour, shortly before 11:00am.

Despite their best efforts the man died at the scene.

"It was a devastating for everybody on the beach this morning," Chris Wilson from NSW Ambulance said. 

"A number of local surfers and bystanders came to the aid of this man.

"They were incredibly brave in a very challenging situation.

"The Westpac Rescue Helicopter winched in a critical care medical team onto the beach to continue treatment.

"The patient suffered a critical injury to his arm, but despite the best efforts of bystanders, paramedics and other emergency services, the patient couldn't be revived."

Aaron Armstrong was surfing at Shelly Beach at the time of the attack and saw the man being brought out of the water.

"It's quite scary, you feel for the dude's family," he said.

Mr Armstrong, who has lived at Emerald Beach for more than 20 years, said it was the first attack he's aware of at the "very popular" Shelly Beach.

Resident Glenn Coleman heard the sirens coming down his street. 

"We pricked our ears up straight away and we knew something had happened," he said.

He said many locals were out surfing for Father's Day.

"It's a heavy feeling," Mr Coleman said. "It's put a heavy atmosphere over the village."

The council has closed Shelly Beach, Emerald Beach and Serenity Beach for the next 48 hours.

Police Inspector Ben Atkinson said incidents like these were difficult for all involved, including emergency services and locals.

"This has a particular impact on the surf community," he said.

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thermalben Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 1:50pm

Heavy stuff, RIP fella.

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Robo Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 2:00pm

Shocking, RIP.

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Surfalot67 Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 2:21pm

Oh no. So sorry to hear, RIP legend and condolences to his family and mates.

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simba Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 2:24pm

RIP mate.........september seems like a really bad time of year for shark attacks if memory serves me correctly............mid morning ,clear water more than likely a white...........

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Robo Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 2:31pm

I was surfing in Coffs at same time, was very overcast and gloomy.

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goofyfoot Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 2:26pm

Not the first one for area either is it?
Very sad, rip

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Robo Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 2:33pm

Last one was a bodyboarder at Sapphire, tiger shark. 30/11/13.

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Surfalot67 Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 2:41pm

And the grom at Broomes. Last year I think?

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Robo Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 2:43pm

Was at Wooli. 12/7/20

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Surfalot67 Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 2:49pm

Got it, that’s right. . So unimaginably sad.

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goofyfoot Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 4:02pm

That’s the one I was thinking of robo. Thanks

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 2:44pm

Thats sad.

It's almost certain Martin Dalys younger brother has passed away too while free diving off Katiet in Mentawais.

They searched for him for days with planes and boats even divers but nothing not even a body.

From a few days ago https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/i-ve-cried-that-many-times-brother-cha...

Updates on go fund page https://www.gofundme.com/f/lets-find-legend-of-a-bloke?utm_source=facebo...

Never a good idea to free dive alone.

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tyzee63 Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 12:45pm

So sad to read .. RIP

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NDC Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 2:45pm

So sad ... sincere condolences to family and friends -

Swellnet ... any direction to recent articles with a balanced perspective on the scale/frequency of east coast shark bites in recent years would be welcomed ... or upcoming articles on the subject also valued

For the first time I find myself thinking (purely on anecdotal impressions) ... “far out, another one... this really seems to be something more than a blip or coincidental cluster could explain” ... I mean no disrespect to all who know any victim - of course every single incident is utterly catastrophic and tragic

RIP

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Solitude Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 2:59pm

So sad to hear this. Can only imagine what the local community are going through. Thoughts and positive vibes to the family, friends and those involved.

This is the third on the Mid-North Coast this ‘season’
Tuncurry -May
Crescent - July

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Robo Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 3:02pm

Update. Was in his 20's. From Daily telegraph.

An onlooker has described horrific scenes of “a man without an arm” screaming for help on Father’s Day after a savage shark attack left a surfer with fatal injuries on the NSW North Coast this morning.
Four ambulance crews and a Westpac Rescue Helicopter raced to Shelly Beach at 10.45am after the man, in his 30s, was dragged to the shore at Emerald Beach in Coffs Harbour battling for survival.

One onlooker said he was out in the surf when the grisly attack took place.

“I was out in the surf and I heard screaming, I paddled further out to the water and saw a man without an arm, there was lots of blood,” the witness said.
“He was shouting ‘help me’ — people were trying to get him out to the shore.

“I saw paramedics performing CPR on him for about an hour and a half trying to save them.”

Locals had also battled to perform CPR on the man before crews arrived.

“It was devastating for everybody on the beach this morning,“ NSW ambulance inspector Chris Wilson said.

“A number of local surfers and bystanders came to the aid of this man, they were incredibly brave in a very challenging situation.”
“The Westpac Rescue Helicopter winched in a critical care medical team onto the beach to continue treatment.

“The patient suffered a critical injury to his arm, but despite the best efforts of bystanders, paramedics and other emergency services, the patient couldn’t be revived.”
A NSW Ambulance spokesman said the victim had suffered ‘significant injuries’ to the arm and back.

The onlooker said the horrific attack had made him apprehensive about getting back into the surf.

“It didn’t look good. I’ve been surfing for 22 years on Emerald Beach and there’s never been an attack in my knowledge like this.

“I really feel for the dude’s family — it’s a popular beach. I’ll get back in water but not for a while.”

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nextswell Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 3:33pm

Surfed at my local just north yesterday. A spot I regularly surf to myself. Did a second surf check for the day at midday at my local. Clean but inconsistent. A fella I know was out. Watched for a while, a heap of fish running just beyond the break. Got a msg from my wife with regards to the attack.

Very sad. Feel for the family and friends. Emerald Beach is a very tight knit community and encompasses a real surf/beach culture. Best wishes to all who know the surfer and live in the area.

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Bob Sacamano Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 3:52pm

That’s horrific. RIP buddy. Shoutout to the bystanders who offered help, that would be traumatizing.

Attacks seem to be moving north the past few months?

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freeride76 Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 4:17pm

Terrible news.
condolences to the family and all the people who tried to ensure his survival.

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crawfy Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 4:42pm

Very sad

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greg-n.williams Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 5:09pm

R.I.P. & condolences to his family & friends. Been surfing two or three times a week & have seen juvenile whites (2.5 m +) hanging around on the inside gutters last couple of months or so. Never used to even think about the GWS but that has all changed since there numbers are growing uncontrolled since being protected in Australian waters since 1996. More apex predators (GWS)= more attacks on surfers,divers etc.

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Justaprimate Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 6:07pm

Greg,
May I ask roughly whereabouts?
I can safely assure you I won't be surfing there anytime soon!
I'm based down in Sawtell/Boambee and don't usually stray far from home anyways but I used to live at Mullaway & then Sapphire for several years each.

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hamishbro Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 5:51am

Justaprimate, excuse me for jumping in but it really doesn’t matter where you are. If you are north of Newcastle you are at a heightened risk of a white encounter. The governments own program showed the fish are plentiful on the greater north coast and roaming up and down this stretch particularly. It’s a nursery for the growing population of juveniles. Until recently the Gold Coast has been immune from this thanks to their excellent drum line program which is a remnant of a time when humans valued themselves over sharks. However the death at snapper last year was likely as a result of the huge numbers in NSW now penetrating their defences, at least at the southern end. We are all at risk and sadly I’m no longer supportive of my boys surfing. It’s just a horrible way to die.

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Blowin Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 6:46am

Imagine if your parents had tried to stop you from surfing because of sharks / board to the head / drowning etc. Surfing is still one of the safest sports around. You going to try and stop them riding bikes, playing footy and going into the bush with all those deadly snakes too? I understand your angst but perspective must include the fact that life is dangerous if it’s lived to the full and it’s still dangerous if you lead a milquetoast existence. May as well get stuck in!

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hamishbro Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 9:35pm

It’s psychological. I drive down the pacific highway everyday to get to work and am well aware of the dangers of high speed car travel vs sharks, for example. But I can control this outcome with correct safe practices.
So too can I mitigate my risk in big waves and dangerous ocean conditions.
But you have no control over a shark. And it’s a bad way to go.
I love surfing, but if push came to shove I will admit I have other things in my life which take priority. It’s a fun and addictive recreational pastime, which borders on the religious, yes, but ultimately is nothing more than taking advantage of a natural phenomena for a hedonistic pleasure.
In other words, I’m not one of those people who can answer in the affirmative that if I was to be eaten by a shark, it would be worth it because “he died doing what he loved”.
That goes double for my children.

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greg-n.williams Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 12:09pm

I live in Forster mate! Where the guy got taken 3mnths ago @ Tuncurry. We are a hotspot for the GWS. Both 7 Mile bch & 9 Mile (north & south of Forster) are known breeding grounds for the GWS. We had the highest count of GWS in the drumline trial 2 years ago! I get out of the water when we see them but they are obviously there all the time when the bait fish & whale migrations are happening. A close friend of mine survived an attack by a 4.5m GWS on Dec 1 @ 7 mile bch. He is still traumatised by the attack & fought for his life in order to survive the GWS attack, which had 3 goes at him! He is one of the lucky ones to survive such a fearsome attack by a huge apex predator!

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Justaprimate Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 5:37pm

My condolences to his family.
As Robo said, it was very overcast and gloomy in Coffs today.
I was at a back beach around 11:30 & saw heaps of fish jumping & birds diving, the water looked rippy and choppy, not much visibility.
I also saw a young whale just off a nearby headland a few hours earlier.

I'm not 100% sure whether it's something to do with the whale migrations or not, but this time of year seems to be more risky.
I still remember a close encounter with a fin coming down a wave just north of Coffs on almost this exact date about 4 years ago.

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Robo Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 6:06pm

NBN news saying GWS. Showed a photo just before dolphins everywhere.

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zenagain Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 6:39pm

Sad news. RIP.

Sincere condolences to those close to him.

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Blowin Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 6:42pm

Could have been any one of us. Heart goes out to the fella, his friends and family.

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Craig Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 6:46pm

So heavy, and by the accounts above it sounded horrific.

Rest in peace mate, and thoughts to his family, friends and those who were confronted with the scene. Really sad :(

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I focus Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 7:00pm

Tragic, RIP mate, big shout out to those that went to and brought him in, thoughts to family / friends and all involved.

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D-Rex Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 7:10pm

RIP mate, another one bites the dust.

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Yippee Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 7:31pm

Condolences to the local family and his community.
More and more of us are suffering grief after the violent death of our people.
Lost 2 mates myself, I suspect many of us, and more of us over time, will have to endure this pain.
Next landlubber to talk about “entering sharks domain” or bees might get punched in the mouth.
Their stats do not accurately represent our community, and our exposure to violent death by being eaten alive.

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boogiefever Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 7:11pm

Dont like sharks??
Dont go in the ocean.

Buy an annual pass to wet n wild and leave the big, scary sea for the rest of us.

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Robo Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 7:14pm

Fair enough, but you only think like that though as you think it won’t happen to you.

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hamishbro Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 9:39pm

Fair enough. But if you knew you could mitigate the risk by capping the number of threatening sharks, would you do so?

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boogiefever Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 10:58am

Nope.... millions of sharks continue to die each year, science suggests that shark numbers.... As well as pelagic fish numbers in general are in decline. The risk of shark attack is minimal.... More chance of dying from a falling coconut or vending machine incident. Why do humans need to control everything??? Appreciate nature..... Dont destroy it.

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Yippee Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 2:19pm

Just gunna ignore your lack of compassion for the grieving families and the grieving wider community suffering from the violent, sudden and very traumatic loss of their men and women, their boys and girls each time another of us is killed by a shark.
Also gunna ignore your mock macho, coolest hardest dude in the convo attempt evident in your earlier "big scary sea" comment.
Will engage on your incorrect comment that "the risk of shark attack is minimal....More chance of dying from a falling coconut or vending machine incident"
The point of my post is that statistics of shark attack projected across the entire population, do not correctly represent the risk to surfers, especially keen surfers who surf outside of the geographic areas of the successful net programs of the GC and Sydney. No such statistics have ever been produced. But if they were, surfers of Northern NSW, the NSW Mid Coast, and the greater Margret River area would obviously be predated upon at a much higher rate than the stats quoted. Thats my point.
And therefore the random statistics from bizarre accidents, such as being crushed by a vending machine are illogical, statistically irrelevant to a serious conversation, and intended to humiliate anyone who begins a discussion on shark deaths of surfers.
These stupid examples need to be called out, not repeated.
I will spell it out, with a quick fictional example;
dude "x" lives in a small town surfs every day in a shark rich area, never uses a vending machine, Vs dude "y" who has never been in the ocean, an uses a vending machine every day. Get it?
Will also engage on your assertion that "science suggests that shark numbers.... are in decline". The "science" by its own admission, is difficult, potentially highly inaccurate, and is at odds with the real world experience of those who spend a lot of time, over many decades, in, and on the ocean.
Additionally the wider statistics are exactly that...wider, and don't necessarily represent, again, the lived experience of those in our un-netted, unprotected quality surfing areas.
And I will comment on your "Why do humans need to control everything??? Appreciate nature..... Dont destroy it."
Firstly we obviously do don't control much at all in the ocean when so many of us are bumped, nudged, bitten and eaten by sharks.
Secondly, "Appreciate nature" well I doubt you would find a surfer alive who would not say they appreciate nature, just does interrupt the appreciating when bruce is about to chew off your leg, but thanks for the unsolicited statement of the obvious.
And finally "Don't destroy it" I don't think anybody here is advocating wholesale slaughter of sharks, but the fact is there are shark fishing licences granted in Australia for the commercial fishing industry, and until recently we imported a significant quantity of shark fin, product of the finning of which I think we share a mutual disgust.
When these terrible events occur we come together in places such as this to share pain and, occasionally discuss some limited control methods. Share pain, discuss stuff.
Thats all mate, please try a bit harder to be a decent bloke, life is better that way.

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calk Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 4:47pm

Really, really well said.

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Smorto Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 5:58pm

Great response. Completely dissected that disrespectful comment which was so cliche it was cringey. Meaningless stats and chest beating is what I took out of it.

You can guarantee that if there was as many vending machine deaths on the east coast of Australia as shark attacks in the last few years the government would have no doubt implemented a vending machine management strategy or just simply banned vending machines.

These are horrific and traumatic deaths that no-one deserves. I'm not saying that a cull is the only answer but there needs to be a discussion about how we can reduce the risks, which for an east coast surfer appears greater than anything related to a vending machine or coconut. The whole "if you don't want to be horrifically eaten alive then don't go in the water or I'm so tough because sharks don't bother me" comments add nothing to the discussion.

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simba Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 6:26pm

totally agree

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boogiefever Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 7:25pm

Ha!!! I think u got me to engage when u suggested anyone who disagrees with u should be punched in the face....very alpha male hero bullshit there. Red flag to a bull for me....

So..... You have the name of the shark you intend to kill for you to feel better?
Police boats, choppers, drones have found nothing. Are you suggesting broad scale, or random killing of any sharks in the area?
How do we kill just the ones who like human flesh or do we kill all gws,tigers,bulls, hammerheads, reefies?
Sounds great for the environment you claim to admire. If you want to do something.... campaign to end overfishing....
Potential link between fish stocks and shark behaviour????

The Science relating to the ocean is difficult obviously but science being science, it needs to be proven and peer reviewed.... By scientists, giving it way more credibility than macca's drunken fishing tales on a friday night at the pub. Hearsay and gossip just dont cut it in the science world but feel free to post any reports you have that 'prove' shark numbers are increasing....I'll wait.

Bigger picture....news these days is purely about creating a media frenzy, resulting in a world living in fear. Whether it be mortgage rate hikes, violence in your suburb or sharks increasing. Its clickbait. We are bombarded with this shit giving us an idea that it exists in plague proportions....far from the truth. Stop believing the lies.

Go surfing, get barrelled, stop worrying.

Share pain, discuss stuff..... Its different for all of us..... Show some understanding and tolerance, youll be a better person for it.

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JD Croobyard Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 1:10pm

Well put Yippee, I think there are a fair few with similar thoughts to this.

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hamishbro Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 9:31pm

Beautiful response Yippee, I’m with you man. Thanks for taking the time.

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roondog Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 9:31pm

bullshit - CULL GWS - muppet

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bluediamond Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 8:34pm

Just heard this news. Very sad day. Sending love to all those close to the fella and those on the scene. Devastating.

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etarip Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 9:00pm

RIP. Heavy.
Respect to all the brave folk who tried to save him. If there’s any of you on here, or you know some that was there - look after yourselves.

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AndyM Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 10:14pm

https://www.omnainc.com/collections/tourniquet-surfboard-leashes-1/produ...

Anyone ever used/seen one of these?
I assume it’s what we call a rail saver.
I’m wondering a) is it proper strong for solid waves and b) can it be repacked if you want to practice with it.

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Bluedreams Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 6:04am

I bought a few of their tourniquets and wear them when surfing “sharky” spots. They are well made and reusable. I would highly recommend them. To my knowledge they are the only product of their kind on the market. I wear one around each thigh. Having it as your leash is great in theory but in the event of a shark attack when you are in the water under the stress of an attack you would never be able to take it off and reapply it where you would need it. And if the bite was on your upper body then there’s little you could do. RIP to this poor surfer. Could have been any one of us

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AndyM Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 10:33am

Thanks for the reply mate.
Fair call about deploying the thing if you were using it as a legrope, maybe realistic if it was used on someone else while on the beach but using it in the water sounds problematic. Also, I'm assuming if you use it in the water, you would most likely lose your board, which would not be ideal for a variety of reasons.
I was hoping to find a tourniquet small enough to stuff inside the chest zip on a wettie but sounds like having one on the leg as you do might be the go.
Cheers.

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AndyM Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 11:01am

Marine quality tourniquets Craig?
I think having one in the water ready to go would be the key.

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Craig Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 11:03am

Yep can stuff inside wetsuit.

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Blowin Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 1:38pm

I’ve got one of those surfer’s tourniquets and it ain’t fitting in a wetsuit. You could strap it somewhere on your body I guess.

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Craig Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 1:42pm

In the article above Dr Jon recommends taking the SWAT-T out with you. Little plastic tourniquet.

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AndyM Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 2:09pm

Thanks guys

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I focus Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 5:10pm

Andy I carry one of these they seem to last pretty well

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/294167092015?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28

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shwetakumar88 Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 9:18am

Swat t tornique
Fits inside wetsuit zipper

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tsunalu Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 9:19am

I contacted the company to see if there were any Australian distributors. Owner has contacted many Aus surf Companies, no interest.
Products are well priced but postage is as much again.
I carry physio band rolled around short stick and tuck under chest zip. Cheap and way better than nothing.

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frog Sunday, 5 Sep 2021 at 10:20pm

Sad and worrisome for the future.

It is pretty radical to read of someone routinely seeing 2.5 metres GWs in the surf zone when surfing as posted above.

California is seeing the juveniles everywhere too and people seem blase about it. But as they become 3 metre and 4 metre, and shift to bigger prey what then?

We really don't know just how bad it will get. The best case scenarios are about the current level of attacks. The worst case is just tough to even think about.

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Robo Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 7:15am

Time for open season on GWS. Cat food.

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John Snow Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 7:27am

Firstly, RIP.
This was two about 2.5 kms as the fish swim from where i had been surfing all week/weekend. Just some context for future discussions....A lot of Bait Fish/Birds/Action in the water over the last few days in the area, haven't seen too many whales out there over the last 2 weeks just the occasional one. Cloudy day and water temp starting to drop to i'd say 20-21 Deg C due to 3-4 days of constant Northerlies.
The locals that tried to save him swam the guy to shore and applied a tourniquet and performed CPR until emergency services arrived. Sounded like a pretty horrific event from the accounts I've heard from mates on the beach.
For some reason over the past few years, its felt like it was inevitable in this area that something was going to happen. Stay Safe in the water...

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Robo Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 9:13am

The NSW Department of Primary Industries (DPI) said drones and other resources had been deployed to Shelly Beach after scientists confirmed a great white had bitten the deceased man.

“(DPI) is deploying SMART drumlines at Shelly Beach, Coffs Harbour as part of the Shark Incident Response Plan following the death of a man from a shark bite,” a spokesperson from DPI said in a statement.“DPI is assisting NSW Police, Coffs Harbour City Council lifeguards and Surf Life Saving NSW to monitor the area and provide technical advice and resources as required. Drones have been deployed in the area.

“NSW DPI shark scientists have analysed photographs of the bite and determined a white shark is likely responsible for the bite.

“Coffs Harbour City Council has closed Shelly and adjacent beaches for at least 24 hours.”

It comes as the DPI tagged great white sharks at Port Macquarie, 150km south of the incident, and Ballina, 200km north of the attack, on Sunday.

A great white was also tagged at Main Beach at Forster on the NSW mid north coast on Sunday.

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ozracer Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 10:04am

RIP fella, tragic. Big shout out to those who assisted and the trauma of dealing with a dismembered human. The protection order of white sharks really needs to be reviewed, it's long overdue as the numbers are clearly increasing and random attacks like this will continue. The government response of police involvement and DPI does nothing in terms of dealing with the cause, they simply log another incident.

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Blue Blue Room Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 10:21am

RIP, not the news that I wanted to hear, so young. Hope some good will surface out of this for the family, friends & community that all have been affected. All involved in coming to his aid, you are all heroes.

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Mark.Fletcher Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 10:52am

This is absolutely horrific. Imagine the poor young bloke's Dad to have his boy die like that on Father's Day :(

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H2O Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 11:01am

Awful news - condolences to family and friends .

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Nickerless Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 11:18am

Lots of people suddenly become experts on shark behaviour after an attack it seems. No point getting angry about what you can't control. Condolences to his family and friends, way too young to die. Rip god bless

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boogiefever Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 9:08am

Couldnt agree more. A terribly sad situation but a very rare occurance. Tens of thousands people go surfing each day.... Gotta risk it to get the biscuit.

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Tooold2bakook Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 11:49am

Rip :(

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theblacksheep Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 11:58am

Amazing they can deploy a Smart Drumline the "same day".... yet after all the calls for them at other areas (Tweed Coast for example) they run around making excuses, running community polls blah blah. I hope it catches & "relocates" the rogue in question but can we ramp up this program please.
RIP mate & thoughts with the local crew

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philosurphizing... Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 12:11pm

I designed a tourniquet clip which you can use with your leg rope.
It fits in your leg rope key pocket.
Made from recycled fiber glass fin blank.
Size of this one 77mm by 24mm by 9mm which fits along with your car key in a below the knee leg rope.
I also made a slightly smaller one for my brother who wears an ankle leg rope.
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tango Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 12:24pm

Terrible news.

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philosurphizing... Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 12:26pm

It clips onto your leg rope like this.
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Then you wrap around leg and clip into 3rd slot, then pull tight and while holding rope with left thumb clip into 4th slot.
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Blowin Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 1:39pm

You should be selling those!

Great idea.

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teanorris Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 8:31pm

I work in an aeromedical retrieval service, we are the teams in the helicopters that come and airlift people to hospital and I just had a bit of feedback on your design. This isn't meant as criticism, just more information that you could use to improve on what you've already done. If you truly want it to work as a tourniquet you need to add some type of windlass to tighten it adequately. Its deceptively hard to tourniquet a limb and most makeshift ones only stop the bleeding once you've lost a huge amount of blood, dropping your blood pressure to the point that it doesn't take much external pressure to stop the flow.

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Craig Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 7:20am

Thanks for the response, very insightful.

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philosurphizing... Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 11:17am

teanorris said
I work in an aeromedical retrieval service, we are the teams in the helicopters that come and airlift people to hospital and I just had a bit of feedback on your design. This isn't meant as criticism, just more information that you could use to improve on what you've already done. If you truly want it to work as a tourniquet you need to add some type of windlass to tighten it adequately. Its deceptively hard to tourniquet a limb and most makeshift ones only stop the bleeding once you've lost a huge amount of blood, dropping your blood pressure to the point that it doesn't take much external pressure to stop the flow.

Thanks for the constructive feedback.
One of the rescuers on the Prime news report said they used a leg rope and a stick which they twisted to tighten the pressure.
I tried this a few times on my leg and the amount of pressure seems to vary depending on how the leg rope twists, each time I did 5 turns.
It seemed to apply slightly more pressure on my leg than what my tourniquet clip applies.
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Then I tried a second experiment, holding and rotating my tourniquet clip, was able to rotate clockwise about 30 degrees, no more was possible, this pressure exerted was way more than the leg rope and stick method, almost to the point of hurting my leg.

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So I'm thinking while it isn't as good as a windlass tourniquet it is better than the leg rope and stick method, and it is something practical anyone can make and leave in their leg rope key pocket and use as a first response.
Any feedback is welcome.

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teanorris Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 2:05pm

Yep, a property applied tourniquet is very painful and not able to be tolerated for long so I’m not surprised that it hurt. I can see in your photo of the leggie and stick that most of the energy has gone into twisting up the legrope rather than tightening the pressure so that doesn’t look very effective. Try putting multiple loops of the leggie around the limb then secure the first and last loops with your clip then apply the windlass under the clip. It’s actually easier to occlude an artery over a broad area rather than a narrow one. Think of a blood pressure cuff. That effectively occludes the blood flow when inflated and doesn’t require an enormous amount of pressure to do it.

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philosurphizing... Friday, 10 Sep 2021 at 8:25am

Tried multiple loops for wider area of pressure.
7mm leg rope wrapped around leg 4 times 28mm wide.
Was able to twist 45 degrees using a screwdriver(a stick would break) and get hurting pressure on my leg.
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greg-n.williams Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 12:45pm

Relaocating is surely just moving the problem (to many GWS attacks) to somewhere else!

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D-Rex Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 2:12pm

I appreciate your efforts philo but are we going to war or are we going for a surf? What a ridiculous situation we've allowed to develop. Shark huggers, your time is just about up.

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Blowin Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 5:19pm

I think you need testosterone injections bloke.

Your testicles don’t appear to be functioning.

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seaslug Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 3:47pm

Chuckle chuckle chuckle

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Remigogo Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 2:17pm

Sad news indeed. My condolences to family, friends.

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Troppo Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 8:40pm

Sweet Baby Jesus, just reading the gofundme page blew me away!
Poor family had everything to live for, just taken away from them in an instant.

That breaks my heart!

Put Flake on the menu at fish n chip shops around the country and left do our bit to stop this happening to any other families.

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goofyfoot Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 6:11pm

Fuck me his wife is pregnant with their first child. That’s so fucked.
And just married this year. Life is a real cnut sometimes, so so unfair.

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freeride76 Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 6:28pm

man, thats just an awful tragedy.

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simba Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 6:43pm

yeah from what i heard it was an horrific senario..........feel for him and his family and also the guys who tried to help save him and anyone else who witnessed the incident....also heard there was a kid near him when it happened ....i hope all those people seek or are offered counciling.

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Robo Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 7:07pm

There was one family with 3 kids under 10 out there with their father, 10 year old saw it happen. Mother was screaming at them from the beach to come in.

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uncle_leroy Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 10:27pm

Condolences to his wife, family and friends. Thank you to all that assisted, make sure to check up on each other. RIP

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Clivus Multrum Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 11:30pm

Tragic news. Thoughts with his loved ones

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Dan K Monday, 6 Sep 2021 at 11:59pm

Young Tim was a Tuncurry local before moving from the area. A really quiet kid that was super polite whenever you saw him in the surf. The towns still not recovered after Marks attack and now this happens. I really feel for the Coffs community and his dad and uncles down here that are fairly well known in the Forster Tuncurry community.
Leaving behind your pregnant wife on Fathers Day. It doesn’t get much more brutal.

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Daarlawan Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 6:36am

Horrible circumstances, RIP mate. Condolences to everyone affected. Sometimes life just doesn't make sense. :-(

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simba Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 8:17am

so by that people were warned about the shark before hand?

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frog Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 8:19am

This will be the "go to" response into the future.

"Water users and beachgoers are advised to follow the NSW SharkSmart Twitter feed or download the SharkSmart app for the latest information on shark movements and sightings. "

Preferable to beach l#ckd#wn I suppose (if the health experts get involved).

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Shaun Hanson Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 10:19am

Just terrible news ...hope we dont start accepting attacks as part of the deal .....
Its taken some time but even the experts are starting to say numbers are up ...

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D-Rex Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 10:21am

Big tough blower doesn't care how many people get eaten so long as the untouchable GWS is unharmed. Strange set of principles.

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Blowin Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 11:13am

I understand your fear and although the most recent attack is another unfathomable catastrophe for everyone involved, it doesn’t change the fact that your chances of getting attacked by a pointer are infinitesimal. Even if you were to get attacked , which I honestly hope you aren’t and wouldn’t wish it on anybody, it’s simply a fact of life.

The world is a beautiful, thrilling and dangerous place. Everyone owes their God a death sooner or later. It’s sad but it’s an unavoidable consequence of living. Get your head around it and then get busy making the most of the time you’ve got. This isnt machismo it’s reality.

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frog Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 1:52pm

Blowin, Do you have children? Most surfers accept risk far more than the average person and can identify with your perspective - for themselves. But I think our deeper fears are for our sons and daughters and the consequences of loss, guilt and blame that could unfold from an attack.

Our children learn to drive and face fairly high lifetime risks of accident but with society's "stamp of approval". They play contact sports with lots of injury risks. Such risks are higher than for a shark attack for the average surfer.

But rightly or wrongly, surfing around sharks sits off on its own in how risk and consequence is judged by ourselves, society, partners and relatives. We fear the hand grenade of loss, guilt and blame being tossed into our lives more than the sharks having a go at ourselves. Wife to surfer hubby "you got him / her into surfing, its your fault" is a possible reality with long term consequences that you can't just get philosophical about and tough out.

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ozracer Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 5:59pm

Blower, human meddling by changing laws a couple of decades ago for the protection of GWS has changed the playing field. There's enough going on in the surf without the growing risk of these predators king hitting vulnerable humans, often with life-threatening results. I'm not into culling but the laws need urgent change to restore balance.

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boogiefever Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 11:13am

Your ideas of
kill, crush, destroy are as outdated as you are boomer. Conquer your fears instead of dragging others down with you into a life of dread and anxiety.
All else fails, take up lawn bowls....

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freeride76 Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 1:57pm

Smart drum lines seem a modest but effective way of lessening the risk and giving us real-time data which is invaluable.

Everyone accepts risk when they paddle out- I guess humans are smart enough to try and mitigate risk when it starts to increase and the loss of life or serious injury becomes unacceptable.

This attack will traumatise a hell of a lot of people.

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Norm de Ploom Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 2:48pm

The $64 question is when the literally 500 odd 2-3 meter fish that have been tagged, grow to be 3-4m plus in a couple of years, what they gonna eat?

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jaunkemps Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 6:10pm

Really sad news, I have no words thats adds to the above comments.
I have a question guys, any one use these ever, these guys have been talking this product up for years - https://www.sharkbanz.com.au/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjaCx_7Ps8gIV55lmAh2_ugvt...

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Robo Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 6:54pm

User reviews are good on there, they seem to do something.

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Robo Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 7:11pm

No need to swear

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jaunkemps Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 9:03pm

So the shark ate the Sharkband, seriously thats mad, and these people are telling us that they work, well maybe they dont, you be the judge, watch the video please........

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Bindog Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 6:36pm

More whites than ever/more attacks than ever.If this was a dingo attack they would cull another hundred as they did at Fraser. Not a fan of culling but theres a major imbalance here, lots of hungry aggressive (protected)juvienile whites. You gotta ask the question. Horrific attack and condolences to the family.
Tragic memories for the family on Fathers Day!

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Blowin Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 7:11pm

Excuse me for being a bit perplexed, but I’ve just read numerous respectfully posited comments which can be surmised as the same opinion:

“I’m not suggesting a cull but we need to restore balance…..”

What is being suggested if not a targeted reduction in the number of pointers AKA a cull?

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Troppo Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 8:13pm

Are you suggesting a cull Blowin?

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Blowin Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 8:33pm

Not at all. I’m trying to establish what’s meant when others say “ I’m not into a cull but I think balance should be restored “

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Joff Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 8:46am

No cull, just another review of the protection status which is currently listed as "Vulnerable to extinction" which is clearly inaccurate and outdated.

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Yippee Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 10:07pm

I have paid close attention to this issue for many years ( and tears) as a result of loosing mates and close encounters, both self, family and community and although I do not pretend to have the pulse of our community opinion, I offer, for your consideration;

the obvious gold standard for “bather” & so surfer, protection is the GC & Sydney netting program.

Yes there is “by-catch” (fishing industry term). Easy to photograph on a nice sunny low news day, just off the beach. Never compared to the legal licensed fishing industry take and by catch.

Please remember we legally kill cows sheep horses ( brumbies and failed racers) dogs (same) cats mice rats snakes sharks of almost every species, and almost every other species you can think of except crocs and the white shark and grey nurse (? )

And, as of today magpies in Sydney for 14 “attacks” .
Somehow the world keeps turning.
Not saying all that is OK, I just don’t want my people (you guys!) thrown under the bus/ shark.

Somehow community opinion is dangerously close to the idea that no surfer or their children should be offered any meaningful protection.
The response from the bystanders is usually an angry shrill shout down of our pain and our loss, we just offered mindless “statistics “ about bees & vending machines

Perhaps a conversation worth having would be one about ways to minimise the by-catch, while maintaining the nets.

For example: If the by- catch could be contained to some acceptable (not zero , remember we are trying to save human life here) standard, the program could provide safety for beach users in other areas experiencing the trauma of death from shark attacks.
No, not everywhere, I would suggest SW WA, NSW North and mid coasts as obvious candidates.

For another example; nets deployed at dawn & removed after sunset, checked every hour.
For another example: Seasonal deployment during months of known risk As determined by the “science” ( watch them run from that one!)
Not interested in the practicality, (after all we just shut down the economy to save mostly geriatric death, might be worth $ or 2 to save a teenage surfer)just a brainstorming amongst us as to what may be possible

This is worth our time. A logical coherent response with some level of consensus is what many many groups have been able to put forward to change policy in their area of interest.
Let’s ignore the trolls & their “every shark is sacred” type thinking.
We issue licences for the shark fishery all over Australia, and can not be bothered ith the most rudimentary stormwater pollution prevention techniques to save turtles. Perhaps this is one of our “in” s,
Cheers mates

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bbbird Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 7:56pm

So sad for the family & friends.
Be aware of your surroundings, risks & limitations.
Vehicle stats from an Australian car insurance company
1,195 people were killed in road-related deaths, over 3 people per day in 2019
Vehicle fatalities: Males x 854 + Females x 291 = 1146 in 2018
Australia has had 190,000 fatalities since car record keeping commenced in 1925.
If you want to save lives, particularly children & old folk; start by get rid of bullbars.

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nextswell Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 9:26pm

Macho or inconsequential facts they’re all ridiculous. A person has lost their life doing what we all love, something a surfer only knows. Comparing car accidents to shark attacks is ridiculous. Transport does just that, you don’t think about it you just do it. Living in a regional coastal area surfing empty breaks it’s always on your mind. Yes it’s a choice but it’s what you love, what we all enjoy. Any insensitive comments, I’d say come from those who live in built up areas who surf in the safety of crowds.

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Dan K Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 9:37pm

I get the car statistic analogy along with the many others that get compared when talking about “the chances” but it’s getting harder to rationalise when comparing it to a shark attack for me. I have young kids and I totally agree with the comment above, it’s not my risk any more it’s the potential of leaving my wife and two kids under 10 without a dad. Yeah the chances are slim, but are they really that slim? We’re seeing them daily here in the surf zone. I reckon at least once a month there’s a very close encounter as well. I can’t remember when that became normal. As far as sports go there’s not many others that exist where nature delivers an animal that can kill you while you’re participating. It’s a psychological brain fuck.

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willibutler Tuesday, 7 Sep 2021 at 9:48pm

https://m.

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Bindog Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 6:57am

Agree Dan,its a constant mindset, going for a surf, if its the last time your kids see their parent. Its definitely changed the last couple of years.Doesnt matter if your surfing alone or in a crowd ,ie a lot of the recent attacks have been with plenty of surfers in the water.

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Solitude Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 7:51am

I feel it would be more appropriate to carry on this well flogged debate in a new thread out of respect for the people associated with this tragedy. Moderators?

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Robo Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 8:01am

I agree, but what moderation, some of the foul mouthed things people say on here, and at each other they would be banned anywhere else.
Not a website recommended for kids and women.

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Solitude Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 8:25am

I’m just mindful that this is a real person, with a real wife, real parents and real mates.
I’m sure most of whom don’t want to read or hear every reactionary whim that comes to people’s minds.
I find the debate one worth having but maybe just not in this thread.
But just like everyone else, that’s just my opinion.

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linez Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 8:42am

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Grahame Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 7:52am

I have been surfing for over 45 yrs now, shark attacks happened only every few years.
With the protection program, shark attacks have increased to the point that of every few months.
I feel for everyone involved, The TRUMA that it brings.
There is a reason why you do not see the injuries from shark attacks. THEY ARE HORRIFIC

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freeride76 Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 8:21am

When I look at statistics now, I know more people who have been involved in white shark attacks than car accidents.

Thats sobering.

Few of my pals were in the water when Mani got fatally attacked last year.
Absolutely horrific scenes with life changing consequences.

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Distracted Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 12:46pm

Is that a tag just in front of the tail?

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jaunkemps Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 6:49pm

Everyone should watch this, thats about as real as it gets........

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calk Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 7:28pm

Interested to hear from people on here as to how big they think that shark is?

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Bustard Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 7:47pm

I don’t know him but see him fishing quite a bit thus know his boat ( or at least I think I do )
2.5. Based on size against boat Definitely juvenile ……

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calk Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 8:11pm

Thanks for sharing.

I also thought juvenile... The giveaway seems to be the more narrow torpedo shape? As they get around the 3-3.5m mark they become more 'thick'. That's my understanding anyway, would be valuable to hear from those who know better.

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Blowin Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 8:40pm

It looks barely 6 foot to me.

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goofyfoot Thursday, 9 Sep 2021 at 2:23pm

Was going to say that looks like a very young shark about 1.5 meters long

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GM Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 12:30pm

I'm a bit over people using the trite statement that "the risk of shark attack is just an inevitable consequence of going for a surf" to justify their view that the relevant authorities should not taking any action to reduce the rising incidence of shark attacks.
When I started high school in 1970 the annual NSW road toll was over 1,000
For the 12 months ending August 2021 the NSW road toll was just 279 and there are a shit load more cars on the road now than in 1970. So much so that the deaths per 100,000 cars in Australia has reduced from 80 in 1970, to just 4.5 in 2014.
How do you reckon we got from over 1,000 to just 279 road deaths in NSW?
It wasn't by saying "Oh, road deaths are an inevitable consequence of getting in a car" and thereby justify doing nothing to reduce them.
What did the authorities do?
* Made seatbelts and baby capsules compulsory
* Brought in the breathalyser and random breath testing
* Set up speed cameras
* brought in P plates and extended the period your on them & limited your speed whilst on them.
* Beefed up design standards so that cars were less likely to destroy occupants in an accident
* built safer roads
In other words, the authorities took major action to reduce the risk of dying when travelling in a car, and they should be pressured into doing the same thing regarding reducing the risk of shark attacks when going for a surf.

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frog Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 12:36pm

They made an app. Job done.

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Blowin Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 1:34pm

But your not asking the government to fine people who don’t wear seatbelts, you’re asking the government to go and kill more animals in our rapidly denuded oceans just so your chances of getting bitten by a Noah can be reduced from 1 in 3,000,000 to1 in 5,000,000.

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GM Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 2:34pm

Boo hoo

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Blowin Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 3:08pm

Boo hoo?

The same could probably be said of a grown man who demands the government make the ocean 100% safe for him to go play in. Get a set of testicles and just go surfing.

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GM Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 3:32pm

Agree to the first part. Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing don't you think?
Second part a bit unnecessary don't you reckon? I can't see anywhere where I've said my activity in the water has changed for you to make that comment.

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Blowin Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 7:42pm

Yeah, sorry. I get tired the defending this point. I’m just so over seeing the natural world around me destroyed and to have surfers call for further destruction merely so they can treat the ocean like a golf course really irks me. It feels like a betrayal by those I feel most closely aligned with a shared appreciation of the untamed world.

Surfers are supposed to be the ones teaching humanity how to coexist with the brutal forces of nature, not demanding that bureaucracy intervene and render the world empty of danger. It honestly goes against what I believe is the central attraction of surfing -that privileged ability to excuse ourselves from the mundane and to go run with the wild things.

It’s always disappointing to discover that some surfers don’t feel the same way and would demand action to the contrary.

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Yippee Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 10:40pm

Blowin,
I share your love of the natural world.
And yet in my ( and I think your ?) local area the marine park status, and government buyouts of the local fishing industry have done much to turn the tide.
Globally is a different matter.

However if we are talking about a problem
( shark attack maiming and death) in relatively small areas
( NSW North & mid coast & SW WA)
and if we could significantly reduce those levels of maiming and death
by deployment of nets ( long proven, non experimental tech)
AND we could reduce the by catch to a reasonable level;

Firstly would you oppose the protection of your fellow surfers and their children ( could you relax the “supposed to be the ones teaching humanity how to coexist with the brutal farces of nature” line a bit) to save perhaps one or two grommets from such a death,
And
Secondly ( I am very interested in your thoughts on this one, because it is tricky) what would be the acceptable/ unacceptable cross over point of by-catch to human lives saved ?
Cheers mate

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GM Thursday, 9 Sep 2021 at 10:47am

I, and most other advocates of action, am not calling for "destruction of the natural world". To say that is a total overreaction, as is the implied statement that we are also wussbags because we don't want to be exposed to danger. I enter the surf to test my ability and nerves to take on forces that I have no control over and am quite happy to be injured or even killed in that test.
Having said that, it is also false to say that surfers haven't tried to intervene and remove the danger of these natural forces. Jet skis for tow-ins and retrieval from impact zones, buoyancy vests and the like for starters. If these aren't actions to remove the inherent dangers to make me go out when otherwise I wouldn't, then I'll walk to Bourke and back. And before you say "but these are actions by the surfers, not the authorities", whites are protected, surfers can't take their own actions, only the relevant authorities can.
In my view a straight up cull is also not the answer, and to be honest I don't know what is, but we have some pretty intelligent people connected to some pretty awesome technologies and there should at least be a meaningful investigation of options.
For example, did you see the youtube of Spewy O'Brien and his mates on Stockton Beach quite a few years ago catching heaps of baby (2 to 2.5 metre) whites along the beach between Stockton to Birubi Point? Those guys brought to everyone's attention that here was a nursery for the whites. So why not tag everyone they can of the baby whites along that stretch of beach? If 90% (& I'm making that figure up) of the whites on the East Coast start their journey from here and we've tagged 90% of those, doesn't that mean that the shark buoys, if placed at relatively short distances between each other all up and down the coast, will give meaningful and statistically relevant warnings via the app to make an informed decision about whether someone's prepared to hit the water or not? I don't know if it's possible, practical or feasible, but aren't these are the types of things that need investigation?
I spent first thing Monday morning at Tuncurry Post Office holding two of the most amazing humans I have ever met whilst they cried in despair over the loss of their beautiful nephew and the tragic consequences to his wife and unborn baby. I do not want to ever have to bear witness to that again as long as I live.
I will not put in print my response to those who say they should grow a set and go for a surf.

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Yippee Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 10:10pm

+1

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+1

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D-Rex Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 2:35pm

Can anyone think of another govt program that increases risks to people? Every program apart from sharks (covid vax, drugs, alcohol, exercise, OHS, life saving, speed kills, .05, electrical safety, dial-before-you-dig, etc etc) is designed to save lives/reduce injury. What's so f'ing special about GWS?

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Bindog Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 3:15pm

Agree with Graham.Shark attacks were like once every couple of years.A few bumps at Lennox was mostly what you heard through the grapevine. Statistics aren't relevant, when theres shit happening in the water, reckon they go the opposite these days. We now expect a number of attacks during the annual whale season.Its like how many this year. Lots more Trawlers back in the day also which kept a lot of sharks off the direct Surfline.

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Yippee Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 7:24pm

ABC News tonight, a local Sydney council granted right to “ control” ( kill) magpies after (?) 14 injuries.
But zero deaths.
Interesting.

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Remigogo Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 7:41pm

Like Drex asked. What's so f'ing special about the GWS?

I've never heard of teeth whitening legislation on the back of Bruce and co.

And magpies.... well...

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Blowin Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 7:44pm

That local council needs slapping. The magpies should be as protected as the sharks. Unless you’re going to eat it, don’t kill it.

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Remigogo Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 8:03pm

I do agree with you Blowin. Maggies have an unnatural predator, the cat. So in a way sharks have similar, the fishermen.

Stu inadvertently put me onto 'Ghost wave' this week which I am now listening to... again. Between this book, reflection upon past personal experiences, and your comment above regarding those surfers most dedicated. My opinion has changed from 'shoot those bloody sharks' to 'show a bit of respect to them'.

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simba Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 8:25pm

wrong Blowin......i was a postman a long time ago saving to go back to bali,part of my run was down the bottom of a steep hill which had a few magpies which would swoop me everyday much to the ammusement of the old retirees who would laugh at the poor postie coping it.Well after a few weeks one of the fuking things almost took my eye out leaving a cut across the eyelid.Enough was enough so i went home grabbed my slug gun and went back and shot one ....didnt have a problem with them after that ....retirees complained and i got disciplined....but its the same principle as the whites ...if a shark attacks someone and its still in the area destroy it.....no different than a bull mastive dog attacking someone......and im not condoning culling sharks .

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Troppo Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 8:57pm

I appreciate your input blowin. The thing I struggle with is our justification of killing another being.
You say "If I'm going to eat it, it's ok to kill it". What if I kill it with the intent of eating it, and a mate comes over with other food and we don't get around to eating what we killed? A few days go by and we end up tossing what we killed into the creek.
How is it that by me saying "I plan to eat that" that I suddenly have the right to take its life? Surely we aren't that superior a being???
Surely my saying that I plan to eat what I killed only gives ME justification to why I took the life of another animal. That is only internal dialog, not law, not how the world really works.
Not sure how "I plan to eat it" differs internally from "that could eat me or a family member or a friend so I will kill it".

Here is another way of looking at things:
There are billions of beings in the ocean - each has their own right to life on earth.
Agreed!!
Beaming straight in to sharks - the vast majority are not a threat to humans. Agreed.
Those that are a threat are majority Great White and 3m or bigger.
What if fisheries had a contract to only take out anything in that class - Great White, and 3m +?
The status quo would remain in the oceans, the sharks would remain the top predators, keeping our oceans in sync and balance, but the troublesome beasts could be taken out.
As a Fisho myself - Got a new rod for father's day- I don't see how you guys justify killing a whiting as any less than killing a GWS. They are both ONE single living entity.
Have watched dolphin fish clubbed to death in the name of sport and fishing.
How is it that killing a fish is somehow different from killing a shark......
Same as buying a a chook from KFC. No Different.
That's my two bobs worth.
Interested to hear what other forum readers think about this...

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Remigogo Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 9:15pm

After an 18 month hiatus I am tentatively getting back on a board. Problem is I now need to surf solo, having come from busy city beaches, into now rugged, isolated, sharky southern cold water reef. Live and let live I hope, can work both ways. And my luck continues. But jeez, these catastrophic incidents really test my resolve.

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udo Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 7:44pm
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roondog Wednesday, 8 Sep 2021 at 9:37pm

Cull - KILL - Destroy GWS

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D-Rex Thursday, 9 Sep 2021 at 9:16am

Troppo is on the money here. The 'sacredness' of the GWS is utter BS and hypocrisy when we happily catch and kill numerous other species. Also, as Norm said (but everyone ignored) - 'The $64 question is when the literally 500 odd 2-3 meter fish that have been tagged, grow to be 3-4m plus in a couple of years, what they gonna eat?'

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D-Rex Thursday, 9 Sep 2021 at 9:18am

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Hutchy 19 Thursday, 9 Sep 2021 at 10:06am

There are so many animals we should kill/cull in Australia . Most are imported like foxes , camels , cane toads , rats and mice etc . But other animals can be culled if necessary and sometimes used for food eg kangaroos . Especially if they are causing problems to themselves , our land and humans .

Problem dogs are a good example . Maybe magpies , crocs and GWS as well .

It maybe an old wives tale but I heard that killing a GWS and dragging the corpse around the ocean acts as a good deterrent .

Why should we wait for a "tipping point " to take action .

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Robo Thursday, 9 Sep 2021 at 10:26am

Guess you mean wild dogs? I would like too add my neighbours cat that roams along the fences looking for birds to that list . (no collar/bell)

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asdmuzak Thursday, 9 Sep 2021 at 11:26am

Donated!!

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GM Thursday, 9 Sep 2021 at 4:18pm

Good on yer mate
At least someone has stayed on track to the story that created the thread

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Hutchy 19 Thursday, 9 Sep 2021 at 2:15pm

Robo - was thinking of domestic problem dogs but feral wild dogs even more . Feral cats are probably worse than dogs . Happy to pay someone to shoot them all . Wouldn't eat them though . Would you Blowin ?

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Blowin Thursday, 9 Sep 2021 at 3:23pm

I don’t eat mammals. Only seafood. If we are killing pointers for food and it’s sustainable, I’ll eat my share with gusto.

If a pointer attacks and can be dispatched then it should be done immediately.

Killing sharks who have never attacked a human and probably never will because they superficially resemble an individual shark who has attacked a human is ridiculous.

It’s like arbitrarily gaoling 50 percent of men because 3 percent of men have committed rape. The rapists might not even be amongst the men who’ve been gaoled and all that’s been achieved is the mob has had their emotions soothed.

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Hutchy 19 Thursday, 9 Sep 2021 at 3:45pm

Great Blowin . Lets start killing all the problem GWS . I am sure they are tasty . You did a quick u turn .

News alert Blowin is happy to kill abundant GWS in Australia . He has changed his mind !

Do you think Mammals are smarter than fish so shouldn't be killed ? Or is it that you think a nice juicy steak of beef is not as tasty as Tuna ? You do know that Tuna is scarcer don't you ?

Nearly all of the fish you do eat have never attacked or killed a human ( or raped ) . Or the vegetables and fruit .

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Blowin Thursday, 9 Sep 2021 at 3:50pm

Get off the glue bloke.

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Ray Shirlaw Thursday, 9 Sep 2021 at 4:10pm

Kill one that's attacked a human as punishment? It might have been a mistake & might not happen again (yeh,its a questionable statement) . I'd be reeeaally surprised if a cull happened anytime soon. Pity they couldn't sterilize all GWS in Australian waters now. That wouldn't technically be killing them,would it?? The ones left might eat each other to a sustainable number or just swim off& get hopelessly lost

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Blowin Thursday, 9 Sep 2021 at 4:19pm

I’m referring to the sharks which consume people and lurk around. I completely accept that they’re only doing what comes naturally but if it decides that humans are an acceptable food source then it’s placing itself in direct competition with us as a species and it’s left itself open to experience the consequences.

I don’t hold pointers up as inviolate sacred beings, I believe they’re incredible animals who we should be going out of our way to protect them as we should all creatures.

Having said that , if I’m eaten or attacked I don’t imagine that I’d harbour any animosity towards the fish responsible. Hard to say until it’s happened to yourself.

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Cacadajy Thursday, 9 Sep 2021 at 7:30pm

The original story is sad and devastating for family, friends and wider community. I'm sure we all extend our best thoughts to them.

The debate needs to go elsewhere.

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Hutchy 19 Thursday, 9 Sep 2021 at 6:24pm

I don't use glue Blowin . It could come from the process of killing a horse .

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D-Rex Thursday, 9 Sep 2021 at 8:23pm

Blower writes - 'Killing sharks who have never attacked a human and probably never will because they superficially resemble an individual shark who has attacked a human is ridiculous.

It’s like arbitrarily gaoling 50 percent of men because 3 percent of men have committed rape. The rapists might not even be amongst the men who’ve been gaoled and all that’s been achieved is the mob has had their emotions soothed.'

So the 'guilt' of an apex predator is now a factor in whether it's killed? Comparing people with good morals to sharks with good morals is a bridge too far, even for you big, brave blower. GWS instinct is to see, kill and devour it's prey so pretty safe to conclude that innocent sharks are just as likely to attack humans as a 'guilty' one. The key here is to reduce the number of GWS so that attacks are reduced - even Blind Freddy can see this.

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Bindog Thursday, 9 Sep 2021 at 9:39pm

Like to know what research was found from
The grants given out when it was decided to protect the GWS in Australian waters

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ludoz Thursday, 9 Sep 2021 at 10:41pm

Shit, I used to surf there, one of the nicest surf communities in the whole world there. Devo. So sorry.

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Hutchy 19 Friday, 10 Sep 2021 at 8:18am

I posted this a few weeks ago . Seems relevant to this discussion .

Did a little research and thinking on Shark numbers in NNSW .

In the 70's the Byron Abattoir was busy and sharks were around the out flow . In 6 years of surfing at New Brighton ( 15km north )only had ONE encounter with ( we thought ) a Bronze Whaler . There were very regular occasions when we had to walk through 100 fisherman pulling in Tailor and filling hessian bags . Never ever saw a whale .

Whales are now seen by the 100's in a day . Wonderful .
I have not seen groups of fisherman catching bags of Tailor for many years .

So maybe the huge increase in Great Whites ( GW )is NOT food related .

In 96 NSW protected GW 's . In 99 the Australian Government listed them as vulnerable and in 2002 the Dept of Sustainability , Environment , Water , Population and Communities wrote a recovery plan .

Regularly updated with the last , I think , in 2013 . I read this one .

They listed the threats as being accidentally caught ( Beach meshing and drum lines ) or illegally targeted by fishermen . Also Climate Change ( increasing sea temps , acidification and changes to
ocean currents ).

They said it was essential to mitigate these threats and do lots and lots more research ( of course they did , more work and funding ) .

Fuck me , may be the ONLY Govt Dept to achieve their GOAL ie increase GW numbers .

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Shaun Hanson Sunday, 12 Sep 2021 at 3:09pm

Your spot on Hutchy ...there's a lot of money in research along with potential feel good votes etc ,etc ...as a life long commercial fisherman inside the G.B.R region I've seen a lot of twisted and fabricated research done with outcomes that suits the researchers or the people paying for it regardless of the impact falling on the wrong people . Over time the research is believed even when its wrong ... ....the shark population is up everywhere around australia and not just G.W and fisheries managers are aware of it ...when you think great white attacks you instantly think of SA or WA but not any more start thinking NSW

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wax24 Sunday, 12 Sep 2021 at 6:51pm

I have read a version of "what makes GWS so bloody special?" a few times here. I think the answer is that they have so much to do with the health of the ocean. Killing a single whiting is not to be equated with killing an apex predator, who also doubles as the garbageman. As to limiting it to the bigger ones, they mature sexually rather late, so taking a 3.5m animal may be taking it before it has ever reproduced. These points suck, to me, because i don't want the risk to us to be elevated, as it seems to have gotten to be in your part of the world. But they are valid points nonetheless. I just think that the science community is overly concerned about it. Erring on the side of the shark is to err on the side of caution, which does make sense to me, but can also be "too much of a good thing." More consideration to human life, and interest in that balance, should be given than currently is, as i see it. I am always looking at the shark situation in Oz because the rate of attacks has remained static here in the Red Triangle. The risk here is higher than in most places, but has NOT elevated, as it seems to have there. Makes me wonder if my GWS population is gonna "catch up" to yours. If it does, we have the same political environment here as you have with protection and attitudes, and will have the same heated debates that, so far, have remained unnecessary. It is just so tricky. Whatever this is worth, i grew up being told that the risk is connected to the seal/sea lion population. I think there is actually more of a connection to whale population and migration.

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wax24 Sunday, 12 Sep 2021 at 6:55pm

And, i wanted this to be separate from the other that i said, my heart and prayers go out to all personally effected by the latest tragedy. Horrific and terribly sad news.

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lostdoggy Sunday, 12 Sep 2021 at 7:21pm

It was originally $100k goal